EUROPEAN LEGAL GUNS

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England inb4

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this badboy here

>>127472405
That's actually pretty nice. Slugs? No handys?

Effective in what? Hunting? Target shooting? Going on a killing spree?

>>127472589
Try using the other side

>>127472405
link related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunderbuss

>>127472589
militar spoon?

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>>127472405
>any rifle up to .50bmg
>any approved semi auto (needs to be not compatible with military version)
>every shotgun, except pump gun

soon EU will cuck us with 10 round magazines, buying spares right now that i will "lose" when they are illegal.

let me know where you got that shit id get it in a heartbeat

>>127472405

Impossible to narrow down in such vague terms. Effective for what?

>>127472877
Owning the magazine wont be illegal, inserting them into the firearm will.
Stupid as fuck but thats how it is

We can buy everything that burgers can buy.

It's just a lot of more paperwork and they need a reason.

.338 rifle for hunting? No problem.
7.62 semi auto for practical shooting? No problem.

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'murca!!!!

>>127472715
let's say self-defence, tho' its ilegal in spain to use a shotgun for self-defence, even if somebody armed enter in your house.

>>127472877
>(needs to be not compatible with military version)

What do you mean by compatible?

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>>127472815

I think it might be for making tea.

You would scoop your tea leaves, then place the perforated cover on top. Drop it in the cup for a while and brew, then take the cover off and dump out the dregs.

Also in Canada we can own a .55 BOYS Anti-tank rifle with an unrestricted license. Basically a weekend course, and a written/practical exam the same day. It's all about safety and some theory, but you never fire a round the entire time.

Then you get to go buy anti-tank rifles :^)

>>127472405
any machinegun not currently in use by MIL/LEO

>>127472589

dangerous

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>>127472877
I cant get over how much the stick 57 looks like the Assault Rifle from the original Fallout 1 & 2 games. Except metal instead of wood grips.

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>>127472589
and for personal defense I use pic related.
this bad boy is my problem solver.

>>127473158
exchangeable parts, like the bol etc.

>>127472715
>target shooting
>Read as target spooning

>>127473400
Does that rule only apply to guns used by the Austrian military?

>>127473158

For some reason alot of countries dont like their citizens using the same weapons that their military uses.

Im guessing its for supply chain logistics, so that way civilians arent chewing into the same ammo supply that the military does.

I believe 9x19mm is illegal to use in Brazil for example, and over in Pakistan you cant use 7.62x39 (thats why there's actually a market in Paki for 7.92mm Kurz)

>>127473113
> illegal for self-defense
Fuck this country

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>>127473221

That is beautiful holy shit.

That knife too...any sauce on it?

>>127473016
so it is only inserting? Last time they talked about banning "hi-caps" all together and owning them should illegal.

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>>127472405
Our socialist government uses them on us all the time.

>>127473475
no only civilian

>>127473659
I mean the rule for civilians. When you say the parts can't be compatible with military version does that rule only apply to guns currently being used by your military or all militaries?

>>127473113

My students ask me this all the time. "What's the best gun for defense?" My answer is always the same: "If your ass is on the line, the one in your hand will do." Get the most (proven) reliable and accurate gun you can afford and safely handle. Everything else is just porn. There's nothing fancy about shooting back.

>>127472405
In France you can own pretty much anything aside from full autos. The classification is fucked though. For example a remington 1858 is D category (free for sale, no hunting permit, no prefectural permit required), while a Ruger old army is classed as B category (need both hunting permit + prefectural permit).
They are basically the same gun in terms of how they work and what they shoot, but they are subject to drastically different legislation

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>>127473386

Lol I have one almost exactly like that, it's even kinda rusty. I recently stopped carrying it in my car though, because I figured if I ever swing it the bottom slotted end is likely to cut me.

Now I just keep a huge box wrench beside my seat. If a cop ever questions me I can legitimize it, whereas a baseball bat/tire thumper...might be harder.

>>127473095
Wrong, if this is anything to go off of class 3 allows 40mm Bofors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ZewIslLbA

>>127472646
I guees handy means a shorter version, its ilegal even a removable butt, cuz then its easier to hide it

>>127473569
No you can still buy functioning hi cap mags since they are considered collector items.
But you can't use them, as if Ahmed gave a fuck and actually had range inspectors checking on him

>>127472857
That is one sexy as fuck weapon.

>>127473016

Laws like this are usually designed to provide more legal charges to stick to someone in court to make sure they get put away.

But it has the overall effect that you wont be able to Find any high-cap mags either, so on a larger scale it will pretty much nerf mag capacity since most of the ones after that wont be high capacity.

> mfw a sheriff did a documentary about how magazine capacity doesnt mean shit
> a woman using 5 round mags in a Glock wasnt slowed down much by having to reload compared to a 33 rounder... maybe 2/3rds the speed thats all

Mag Capacity doesn't mean much when you can just carry More Mags.

It means alot when you're using fully automatic weapons, but unless its belt fed you run out pretty quick no matter what.

>>127473113

Hmm, probably a 9mm Handgun would be appropriate for Self-Defence in most cases. In Germany there is the possibilty to bear arms with a carry permit ("Wafffenschein"), even though it is very difficuilt to nearly impossible to get one as a average citizen, since "Self Defence" is not a reason to apply for these permits. The most effective long rifles for these legally obtainable by civilians are semi-automatic versions of the G36 (HK 243/ HK 293) and i believe it is also legal to buy the civilian version of the g3 (HK 41) chambered in 7.62x51mm, though im not sure a Waffenschein permits you to carry long rifles.

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Troy pump action ar15 rifle was specifically designed for states with restrictive gun laws and Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRRzus9wto
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>>127472405
>he can't own his own tank
Haha you cuck.

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>tfw you have to ask the government to be able to use it
Fucking fascists, if i own the proper range, i should be able to fire a missile at it whenever i want

>>127474101
I ment hand guns

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>>127473922

But really you mean a full-auto SAIGA 12 with dragon's breath and rock-salt rounds.

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>>127474250
Soon...

>>127474237
>that one time a guy stole a national guard tank and declared war on commiefornias shitty parking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUoUKEIGoo

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>>127472405
In the UK you require either a Shotgun certificate (section 1 & 2) which permits you to own shotguns with a barrel under a certain length, and semi-automatic shotguns. Mossberg 500 is a popular purchase. FAC's (firearm certificates) allow you to own better firearms. These come with ridiculous restrictions, like being stuck in .22 calibre which isn't even a combat round.

For weapons such as the .50 cal Steyr HS, you require either access to a plot of land, or access to a special range to legally fire it. You can own it and "not use it" if you know what I mean.

>>127472405
shotguns use shells, not carts

>>127474487
Also start buying guns.

>>127473386
no wonder you are overrun, Ahmed...

>>127473922

Use a Derringer or .22 Revolver
Shoot them in the neck
Twice.

> over a card table
> for cheatin' cards

>>127472405
Most effective for what?
Self defense - pistol, revolver according to your wallet and taste.
Home defense - pump action shotgun.
Hunting - hunting rifle, shotgun.

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>>127474162

I think there's some legitimacy to that argument, but if you reduce the mag size drastically it will certainly have an impact.

Here in Canada, if you own an AR, you're limited to a 5 round mag. People bypass this by using AR-pistol mags, because our semi-auto pistol mag regulations are pinned at 10 rounds. Technically the mag is legal, and it still works in AR rifles...

Overall, if someone is limited to 5 or 10 rounds, vs. a 60 round drum mag, I think their killing power will be noticeably reduced. In addition to the reloading, they have to actually carry that many more mags and stow them somewhere. Unless they're professionally trained, they're going to be fumbling a lot.

Unless it's someone like Lee Harvey Oswald, in which case you're fucked regardless of the gun they use.

>>127474081
>>127473095
technically you can own a tank.

Not sure if you can load it legally... but you don't need to.

>>127473922
I said this in the western European gun rights thread yesterday.

"Better to be armed with a pigeon killer in the UK than unarmed anywhere else"

But it's not ideal advice. For example, the .22 calibre shot is not ideal for a self defence situation. Polish anon did a good job of explaining this last night.

>>127474845
You can own a tank anywhere as far as I'm aware.

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>>127473113
>self-defence
LOL what are you crazy just call the police

ughh friggen nazis just want to kill people

>>127474845
If you have a class 3 you could load it and even fire it but most people just buy them and get the weapons deactivated on board by getting the firing pins and shit removed.

>>127474259
nope, hand guns are baned for the same reason (they are easy to hide), also in the rest of europe i think they are baned, even by EU laws.

>>127472405
Joining Defence League (militia organization) allows you to held home full-auto military assault weapons and handguns.

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>>127474695
>.22 revolver
Oh baby

>>127474211
THIS

i cant believe this thing isnt more popular.

Also if you cant legally use a modern mil caliber there are other calibers they dont use which are pretty effective, like 6.5 Grendel or 5.45x39mm.

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>>127473853
no all millitary.

Basically before you can sell a gun here it has to go to the Ministry of National Defence which decides if the gun is "legal" to sell or not.

And there you have retards who decide on a whim. Eg. normal AR-15 is illigal, with some modifications its legal. But a run of the mill saiga-12 is legal.

When it comes to gun laws forget common sense.

Just recently they allowed again that police officers can get carry licences with minimal effort again, but only for up to and including 9mm.

>>127472405
shotguns are nice for self defence but I wouldn't want to use one in an offensive action and I live in dense eastern american woodlands where the shotgun excels. number 4 buckshot is ruthless out of a improved choke and you can fill the brush with lead quite quickly. its a pain in the ass to reload and I find it is best to just get a big ass Molle vest and attach some of those BW fleck pouches to it and then fill them with shells and boxes of shells instead of getting the super expensive shell carriers

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>>127472405
non automatic AK.

>>127475012
Handguns are legal in France and Northern Ireland. What about black powder weapons? Can you own those?

>>127474883

Gunfights are never ideal. The single goal of a gunfight is to be the one left breathing. It makes no difference what you use to get the job done.

>>127475075
here its actually sold out constantly and have to wait 4-6 months, because you can own it without a gun licence.

>>127475075
>>127474211
Because there are a thousand other AR-15 variants that are legal, and arguably more efficient in the UK. The HK416 to start with. Very popular in the UK atm.

>>127474211
Sugoi

>>127475210
Not just UK rather. Western Europe.

>>127474715
>no minimum lenght for B category firearms
Are you sure? IIRC there was something about barrell lenght. There was for certain on C cat weapons

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>>127475012

Good thing bombs are banned for the same reason (easy to hide) and they never get used in murders.

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>>127472405
I just want a second American Revolution :(

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>>127472405

>>127472857
good luck getting decent drums for that for less than $100 each

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>>127472521

deserves some (you)s

>>127472857
In UK can shotguns be semi auto or you have to pull the bolt back manually?

>>127474844
>Overall, if someone is limited to 5 or 10 rounds, vs. a 60 round drum mag, I think their killing power will be noticeably reduced. In addition to the reloading, they have to actually carry that many more mags and stow them somewhere. Unless they're professionally trained, they're going to be fumbling a lot.

Criminals don't give a shit about laws, they just own "high cap maps" illegally.

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>>127475313
No minimal length for barrels. As of TODAY, you can legally own a 7.5" AR no problem.

>>127474487
>In the UK you require either a Shotgun certificate (section 1 & 2)

Does this cost money? How hard is it to obtain?

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>>127472405
Pic related, as long as the flash hider is taken off and the screwthing is ground/sawn off.

Could go even higher, there is no actual limit in caliber in Romanian law as long as the above operation is done (law just states "no guns over 10 kJ muzzle kinetic energy that have devices at the end to reduce recoil"), so TECHNICALLY a solid shot shooting 120mm gun is completely legal, as long as it's not mounted.

The only issue is that police would probably call BS. Not going to stop me from trying one day, though.

>>127475399
No, they can be bolt action or semi auto with a Shotgun certificate. I was shooting a Beneli m4 at the range this morning lel.

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>>127475327

Can you own suppressors in France?

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>>127475239
Quite a glorious collection you have there, mon amie

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>>127472405
All you need on one shelf.

>>127475429
Did they change it recently? Or is it just for B category? Because I'm pretty sure there are limitations on C category guns

>>127474844

There is a technique called the New York City Reload.

You pull out a second gun and keep firing, if you get caught off guard while reloading the first one.

>>127474845
Depends on the kind of ammunition. If its a custom load then you're fine since if it was explosive that would be another tax stamp for each round (thats what sucks about 40mm grenades)

Also in order to not be classified as an armor piercing round it'd have to be made out of Zinc pretty much, but thats pretty easy to CNC or Lathe... thats how they make projectiles for rifled black powder cannons.

>>127474883

In
The
Head

> come on matey
> its like you're not even james bond

>>127475210
but it's still manual action right?

>>127475109
Handguns are legal in Estonia, Czhech Republic for self defense, concealed carry allowed. You need license (clean papers, not mentally ill, test for shooting and laws)

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>>127475521
YES. Very easy to obtain no questions asked for cat C, small form for cat B.

>>127475551
Here's more.

>>127475588
Just "B" but no one knows about upcoming EU GUN BAN. Stay vigilant.

>>127474979
an american in saying this, must be a joke

>>127475521
Yes

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>>127472405
Steyr HS 50

>>127475485
It costs £85. Piss easy mate. Can't guarantee it'd be as easy closer to the cities but fuck it, 80% of the UK is classified as semi-rural/rural anyway.

You pass an application form at your local police department, go through an interview process where you give info, set out your purchases until the 5-year renewal, purchase a guns locker (£75 quid on ebay), go through an inspection, bam, you've got a license.

Tedious but easy as hell.

It's when we start discussing FACs it gets more complicated. I own a shotgun certificate but not an FAC yet though I'm working on it.
>>127475608
All I know is I'd prefer to have my Mossberg in that situation.

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>>127475571
>guns and alcohol in the same store

>>127473113
Wrong. It is legal but you need a fuckton of evidence to proof it was.

>>127475665
Ah I see thanks

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Brandishing anything more threatening than this will get you in a world of trouble.

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Sound suppressors for cat B.
>"hey gubmint I want this and that"
>"ok have fun"
>wallet cries

9mm suppressor ~450€
223 suppressor ~300€

>>127475665
I know you're waving that silenced, normal length mp7 just to make us Mericans jelly lol

Laws against suppressors and SBRs in the US are just ridiculous.

>>127475613
Nope, semiautomatics are legal in restricted calibres.

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>>127475407

Exactly. Which is why most gun laws are shit.

About the only thing these gun laws would effectively curb are the lunatics who use LEGALLY OWNED guns to commit murders. Surprisingly, the majority of mass murders (with guns) that have happened in Canada, have been done with legally owned (hunting style) firearms. Guys used semi-auto rifles, pump action shotguns, etc.

The mentally ill fuckwits usually don't have the connections or money to start buying black market, high capacity mags and full auto guns. Of course terrorists do, which is why the laws are becoming less effective, but I do understand the RCMP's reasoning behind the mag limits. I just don't agree with them. We should be able to CC here in Canada.

>>127474237
in Canada it is legal

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>>127475874
>tfw its easier for yuros to get silencers than Americans

Life isn't fair.

>>127475874
Model of the top one ?

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>>127475893
Brugger and Thomet APC9

>>127475977
But you can CC and we can't.
I gladly exchange.

We can own anything semi automatic with the proper licences I believe. Only legal for sport and not self defense though. We can also own trucks.

>>127474414

so many keks

>>127475782

Fuck, that actually sounds easier and less expensive than here in upstate NY.

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>>127474414
>do you have any ideas on how we could stop it?
>uh well.......nope I dont to be honest with ya

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>>127475665
>>127475701

Fuuuuuuuck. How is that you guys have such freedoms and we don't? Suppressors are ULTRA-BANNED here.

>>127475824

Really? Also your flag looks like a circus tent bro.

>>127475109
you mean muzzleloader? i guess i cant if they are a short gun (easy to hide)

>>127475508
That there is a smexy weapon.

>>127476090
Eh, bet you've got a bit more selection than us though. And like I said, an FAC is a pain in the arse.

I'm trying to set out financial committments. £5000 for a .50 cal Steyr, i've got the right land requirements but failed inspection because of its location. The entire process is a joke. I can re-try but need to get a special range.

>>127474237

Too bad the tank guns have to be disabled. At least we can still purchase cannons, flamethrowers, and miniguns.

>>127475900
explain

>>127473545
call of duty meme tier weapon

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>>127476057
751 SAPR

>>127476095
When you go to the range 3-4 times a month your ears are thankful for the sound...

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>>127472405
Pretty much everything as long a it isn't silenced, longer than 80cm and doesn't have capacity to fully automatic fire. Technically we're aren't allowed to have "guns with more than 10 round magazine" but the mags themselves are in free circulation so you can freely buy a 30-round one. I was actually quite surprised when I found out, considering Russia's history.

There's two caveats though: for the first five years a person is only permitted to buy smooth bore weapons or weapons with rifling not exceeding 14cm. The second is the paperwork: first, you have to get a permit for the purchase (which is valid for 6 months), then you have to get an another permit to own the gun you've bought (valid for 5 years) and you must keep your guns with you in a safe, notify the local version of ATF in case you move to other place with your guns and so on. Another downside is while you can use the gun for self defense, 9 times out of 10 you'll get sentenced for "exceeding the limits of self-defence".

Also, fucking sanctions really took toll on the Russian gun market, most of western weaponry is gone. Putin also refused to prolong the gun ownership permit validity period to 10 years (and did it secretly from the Parliament which had already voted positively for the prolonged period). Oh well, good thing that he's not going to last for much longer.

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>>127475571
>>127475797

>>127473056
Well if you want .50cal or even 20mm rifle it might take a bit of explaing where you need a such a thing.
>Yeah i was planing to shoot some russian light armored vehicles.
>Ok bro np

>>127476095
But you have a based law that says you can freely discharge firearms (safely of course) outside of city centers if I'm not mistaken. If we do that here we can get arrested unless we are hunting.
I'd gladly trade silencers for such a law

>>127475874

Can you make a suppressor and use it?
Because then we're talking about plumbing parts or a car oil filter...

>>127472521
Snap a bit off and that's a deadly weapon there, sonny. Bin it!

>>127472405
That's irrelevant because you still get sent to prison for self-defense, so it's meaningless to own one.

>>127476267
SHALL

>>127475699
Aww come on now. When seconds matter the police are only minutes away.

>>127473113
>even if somebody armed enter in your house
lmfao
When i lived in GC i had a friend from Maspalomas who's neighbor got sued by a burglar because he slipped and hit his head on his patio when he got caught.

>>127475508
I bet it's expensive as fuck.

>>127473386
Good for bashing some shitskins skulls in

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>>127476070
>trucks
Fucking trucks man, deadliest weapons on earth!

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>>127476067
TFW you can't afford 2000 dollar Swiss guns

>>127476399
No totally illegal everything is registered except black powder single action revolvers/muskets. (and airshit/crossbows etc)

If the popo comes at the range you better have all the paper in order or they take away EVERYTHING and you are banned from owning guns for life.

>>127476503
The stock is 200 quid mate.

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I mean I could own about anything but this is my baby.

>>127476601
Alone.

>>127476426
I thought you guys have "stand you ground" and "castle" doctrines, aren't you?

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>>127476636
Nice.

My Mossberg 500.

>>127476638
I think he was talking about Europeans.

>>127472521
>I need to see some ID to sell you these assault spoons we do not need minors getting their hands on them.

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Fuck the cucks...'Murrica son! Fuck Yeah! Europe cant into Class III.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4beEaAH5E&t=3024s

you can own semi auto assault rifles here if you do club reserve shooting

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How come the Czech Republic is the only country in Europe without pants-on-head retarded gun laws?

Even compared to Switzerland, their gun laws are relaxed. They're even better than some American gun laws (easier to get machine guns, silencers, short barreled rifles and shotguns, no stupid NFA).

>>127476715
farmers license? how did you get one lad?

>>127476715
Can't go wrong with a Mossberg. I got the 930 because semi automatic buckshot will stop any number of Basketball-Americans.

>>127476426
But this isn't true for the majority of Europe that I'm aware of.

In the UK, the standard scenario: somebody breaks into your home, you are allowed to use reasonable force (anywhere from a graze to murder) to remove that person. However, if that person starts running, you pursue him, THEN harm him, it's a crime.

This is what happened to Tony Martin, the farmer. He got a manslaughter charge for pursung a burglar off his property.

Stay strong europe. Don't let them strip you of the gun rights you have left.

I also think ownership, while being good, is not the end all. It needs to be weighed with the right to use said firearms to defend lofe and property, and with that the ability to carry and transport it.

As much as I love my ARs, .308s, etc; the most potent option I have is a 9mm pistol with the right to carry it concealed and use it to defend myself and others.

Short of the complete breakdown of the rule of law, that pistol is what would make a difference in day to day life.

>>127476095
At least i'm not a leaf, i don't have to suck my muslim masters - it's a trade i'm willing to make.

>>127475804
I've read there was judgments aganist the one self defending, maybe cuz the lack of "fuckton of evidence to proof it"

>>127476577
Don't laugh. That's a serious weapon if you fill it with acid.

Bow & Arrow, Crossbow and air-pressure guns in The Netherlands. With the right modifications an air-pressure gun can be deadly though, just a bitch to reload.

>>127476863
Mate are you serious? I got it with a section 1 Shotgun certificate from Northumberland PD. The easiest weapons to acquire in the UK. Go and get one yourself.

>>127476799
>how come
Ex-commie state that freed themselves. The right to keep and bear arms does not come naturally or by voting, it is deserved and fought for.

>>127472589
DEUS VULT

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>>127476799
Because it is called the Czech Republic. You'll recognize a common theme in there somewhere.

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>>127476934
stop giving me ideas

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>>127476368

Yeah, as long as you are on Crown (public) land, or your own private property. There's other laws like not shooting towards a highway/road and such, but basically we have tons of open space to blast away.

The stupidity is that we can only use non-restricted firearms in this manner, though. So if you have a large property you can set up some targets and fire your .55 BOYS anti-tank rifle from 800 yards, but you are not allowed to plink with your 9mm pistol. Because the pistol is restricted, and may only be used at a range (most of which are indoors, expensive as fuck, and have a long list of requirements to maintain membership).

The only people who can legally carry, and use sidearms such as pistols, are police/military, and the odd miner/trapper/surveyor in the far north. They get a special permit to carry large calibre/powerful handguns like .454 Casull, to protect against polar bears/grizzlies.

>>127476288

I agree, it would be nice to not have to wear sweaty earmuffs for hours at a time. I shoot my 12ga. Defender a lot, but if I did it without hearing protection I'd be fucking deaf by now.

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>>127474038
This.

I have pic related in car for various purposes-

>>127474487
>In the UK you require either a Shotgun certificate (section 1 & 2)

All smooth bore shotguns with a capacity no greater than 2+1 are Section 2 guns. Section 1 is rifled firearms not including pistols.

>which permits you to own shotguns with a barrel under a certain length

It's a minimum of 24", not a maximum.

>Mossberg 500 is a popular purchase.

This is a Section 1 firearm, used for PSG or vermin control and is actually not very popular.

>FAC's (firearm certificates) allow you to own better firearms. These come with ridiculous restrictions, like being stuck in .22 calibre which isn't even a combat round.

This is absolute nonsense.

>For weapons such as the .50 cal Steyr HS, you require either access to a plot of land, or access to a special range to legally fire it.

High Muzzle Energy firearms (.50, .300 Winmag etc) will require membership of a specialist club (which are invite only) and NRA certification.

>You can own it and "not use it" if you know what I mean.

This is absolute bollocks. If you don't use a firearm for over a year you will usually have it removed from your ticket.

You're a fucking noguns mong and I hope to Christ nobody has been stupid enough to put a rifle in your hands.

>>127476956
see im up in the highlands, everyone and their gran has some kind of shotgun.
just never looked into it.

>>127477259
>It's a minimum of 24", not a maximum.

>>127474844
>if someone is limited to 5 or 10 rounds, vs. a 60 round drum mag, I think their killing power will be noticeably reduced.
you really think if someone was gonna go on a spree of killing that they wouldn't just modify a few magazines to hold 40 rounds? its not that hard, cuckboi

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Just a random call if there's any comp fag ITT, is this shit really worth 3700€? My gun shop ordered 2 a few weeks ago.

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>>127476717
Oh, I see. I find it kinda funny that the Europeans (well, most of them), who pride themselves for being free are actually as disenfranchised as the average Russian citizen under Stalin's rule when they attempt to exercise a right that is universal among all living beings and is way more ancient, fundamental than, say, a right to vote or free speech.

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>>127476955

Do they have limits on speed of the projectile? Here in Canada, if the air rifle fires at more than 500 feet per second, it's considered a firearm and you need a license. Lots of guys buy the guns that fire at 495FPS (thank you manufacturers), and modify them to shoot at 550-650.

Also we can own and use any bows, including crossbows, without a license. Thinking of getting a crossbow in the near future, before Justin decides to institute a bow registry or something of the like.

>>127477445
No pistol is worth that much.

>>127476894
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leg%C3%ADtima_defensa
Don't know, it's pretty complicated

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>>127472589
>Germany

>>127477530
Well yeah but someone must think of buying one otherwise it wouldn't exist.

>>127473569
No, a firearm would get illegal the verry moment you would put a high cap magazine.
But the mags themself wil not illegal on an EU leve

>>127477140
yea, every country has its set of stupid orwellian crap aboyt firearms unfortunately.
The area in which we get fucked the most in France is classification in the various permit categories

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>>127472405
In terms of calibre, .308 Winchester are a good choice for the Saujagd. A lot of power behind them.

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Fuck Europe
THIS is Freedom

>>127477445

Nope- just pearls on a pig. Get a stock version and save a shit ton of money. Racegunners get a boner over anything flashy, but they still ignore the fact that it's just a fucking pistol.

>>127477517
There is no limit. The only restriction is that you must be 18 years old, have a Dutch passport and the gun does not resemble a real (commercial) gun. This also means that for airsoft guns, you need a gun license, but for regular airguns (luchtbuks) you do not.

>>127472405
>>>/k/

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>>127477393

I think they would. Which is why I don't agree with our magazine limits. If someone wants to inflict mass casualties, they are likely to just make an IED. God knows there's enough sources, and if you're really hard pressed you can just stop by your local mosque and ask for an instructional pamphlet on how to slaughter infidels.

Personally, I'd be more afraid of someone setting up with a rifle and picking people off. You wouldn't even know where it's coming from.

>>127472405
did this motherfucker just say caliber 12 when talking about a shotgun

I live in an A frame house, I had just moved into my home, which needed some work done to it. Sweat equity they call it. But I was able to work there and live there while I did stuff like paint over the crazy bible verses that the former black tenants left written all over the walls.

My new neighbors were selling their home - nice place. They told me I was insane for buying that house in this neighborhood, and to get out while I could. I hadn't moved most of my firearms out of storage and kept a Stevens 311 12 gauge and a Ruger Blackhawk in 357 magnum with me in the upstairs bedroom where I slept, and then when I was working, within reach. When I left the house, they were hidden in a wall space that was nearly impossible to find.

3 am. Hear a loud crash. I go halfway down the stairs with my Blackhawk - to see two young blacks with guns. I'm so startled, and then the shooting started. I was shot at from 10 feet away and retreated up the stairs, unhit. I got out my phone, dropped it, and turned around, laying flat at the top of the stairs. Both of this guys started up the stairs and I cocked the hammer and put a bullet right in the upper right torso, his friend behind him started to back away, but this guy I shot, I could clearly see him shocked. I cocked and shot him again before in the neck.

He died at the bottom of the stairs. The cops suspected that I had somehow hit the other intruder, noting a blood trail. The next morning they found him dead behind my neighbors bushes.

This all made the newspaper. I was even sued by both families and had to surrender my firearms during the course of the investigation, which was fucking awful. AMA.

Germany actually has one of the largest sport shooting organization in Europe, up to 2 million members I think?

Just educate yourselves on the possibilities, the one difference with France is that you must provide a reason for having the gun so competition is a necessity.

>>127477784
I don't plan on getting one it just fascinates me that a glock could sell for almost 4k

>>127472405
>max magazine is 2+1
What the fuck?

>>127473095
>Not the superior GAU-21.
Get with the times grandpa.

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>>127477827
>also means that for airsoft guns, you need a gun license

Jesus Christ.

>>127477259
>All smooth bore shotguns with a capacity no greater than 2+1 are Section 2 guns. Section 1 is rifled firearms not including pistols.

Cheers.
>It's a minimum of 24", not a maximum.
Over.
>This is a Section 1 firearm, used for PSG or vermin control and is actually not very popular.
Mossberg 500 is the most popular purchase on Yorkguns.co.uk. What the fuck are you talking about? Pest control are permitted to own certain types of Revolvers and handguns. G17 or USP45, for example, are still banned outside of NI.

>High Muzzle Energy firearms (.50, .300 Winmag etc) will require membership of a specialist club (which are invite only) and NRA certification.
I literally said this here and in 2 other posts >>127474487
They allow you to use .50 cals on land you own. There's a range in Northumberland permitted to use the Steyr HS which isn't invite-only, in Cramlington.

>This is absolute bollocks. If you don't use a firearm for over a year you will usually have it removed from your ticket.
Did the sarcasm fall over your head, you fucking retard? You're chatting the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read whilst trying to refute what I'm saying as bollocks. Hence the """not use it"""" being in quotations, I was referring to illegally using it off-premise of a special range or plot of land, you mo-mo. Thanks for making me spell it out.

By the way, I posted my Mossberg 500 a little up there. So yes, somebody was stupid enough to put a gun in my hands.

>>127477938
Magazine is soldered to block the spring.
2 in mag 1 in chamber. Classic Yurop law there.

>>127472405
and by legal you mean you need to obtain a license which is a pain in the ass

dropped

>>127477834
/k/ doesn't allow general threads otherwise it'd be good for information regarding western European gun rights.

>>127477893

Paying mostly for all the custom machining and fluff. Not worth it. This is equally as baffling as seeing all the fucking $5000 1911's. Pretty, but still just a 1911.

>>127477890
>AMA
No thanks

>>127474270
Neither dragons breath or rock salt should be be used for self defense. Rock salt will disintegrate when fired and dragons breath will burn down your house. Slugs or buckshot will get the job done.
Also, fully automatic Saiga's have too much recoil to be practical for self defense.

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>>127472521
Nah this is an English spoon

>>127477890
What did it feel like to kill smebody? Any remorse, or just anger at having to deal with lawsuits?

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>>127478054
Yeah it's pretty stupid, especially since we can literally just drive to Belgium and get one without a license because their laws are different (based patat bros even advertise it to the Dutch: http://www.airsoft-freaks.com/service/nabv/). The idea was so idiots cannot rob stores with airsoft guns that look like a real gun, but it is not very effective since criminals are of course law abiding doctors and engineers.

before i abandon thread. sources for UK FACs/shotgun certificates.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1054208/pg1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKGYsuD7MTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYDwV_0aiM

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>>127478094

That's fuckin disgusting, holy shit. It's like they're TRYING to ruin the fun of shooting. I swear that's why we've maintained our mag restrictions, despite valid arguments that it doesn't *really* inhibit someone hellbent on murder.

They make it as difficult as they can for the average person to own anything, especially if it's something like an AR or pistol. Then they institute ridiculous requirements about where you can use them.

i.e. I can shoot my .223 bolt action, or my 12ga semi-auto shotgun on my property up north

BUT

I can ONLY fire my .223 AR, or my .22 Ruger MkIII at a sanctioned gun range, and must be a member there

The laws are deliberately complicated to "trap" people into paper violations, and so scare potential enthusiasts from ever getting involved.

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>>127474845
Using an explosive round would require a tax stamp for each one as far as I know, which is something like $200. I'm fairly sure it's perfectly alright to just load solid ammunition.

I'm not sure what the legal situation would be like if you wanted to drive a fully loaded tank in city streets.

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'Merica meme says I can own a whole lot better but this is my one and only SHTF-2000 that I built.

>inb4 flag
burger on vacation in bean town

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>>127472405
Can you own slugs? if not, can you own reloading equipment to make your own shells? Because mercury makes a hell of a 12 gauge load.

>>127472405
Hunting in Sweden has no upper limit on effect that I'm aware of, except I guess the practical ones. Most limits are on lowest effect/bullet weight for certain types of game (so you don't go moose-hunting with pellet guns etc.)

Anyways, you can own most rifles so long as they aren't fully automatic and has a magazine limit of like 7 for semi-automatic ones. Shotguns like for example the mossbergs 590 and 930, for example, is allowed but only with a 1 + 2 shot capacity (i think the semi-auto packs like 1 + 8 normally?). vildsvin.se is their agent here btw, for any Swedes. Now you know.

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>>127478220

You can let dindus take over your home, but I'm activating my almonds the second I hear them come through that door.

They're getting roasted and salted, too.

>>127478241

>double-headed spoon
>multiple scoop calibres
>not banned in Britain

Yeah ok m8

Before I go, shameless ad for 2017 IPSC world championship in France. Completely new buildings and ranges.

We do have a lot of comp fags here. The problem is that they're not very lectured in the "right to keep and bear arms" aspect. Oh well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kULUrl963jM

>>127478698
That is disgusting and I hope you never post again.

>>127478772
And yes, you can use slugs, chokes and other mods, and silencers for rifles. There are licenses for silencers but they are pretty much rubber stamped at this point since they reduce ear damage.

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>>127478505

I guess they should just resort to robbing stores with real weapons like machetes or hatchets that have the ability to inflict deadly wounds, rather than a plastic airshit gun that can't hurt anyone.

No offense but that is some dumb shit. Really rustles my jimmies.

>>127478698
Normally I'd find that rifle repulsive but I actually think it looks kind of cool

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>>127478880

>>127472877
can i buy weapons in austria and just take em home?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQB5It2AZas

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>banning guns reduces gun cr-

Um, nuh-uh, sweetiecakes.

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Full auto Ak4/galil if militia or any other weapon, day 1 conseald carry. pistols can be owned when you are 21 years old

>>127479206
No, you need to register them to an adress in Austria, also you need a cirminal backround check from austrian federal police

>>127475098
You guys make, 100% legit, the best non-Russian AK that money can buy in the states. Top respect, Georgi.

>>127475904
>implying weapons on the black market cost a fuckton of money
only if you're looking for a gucci memegun, an illegal Glock goes at about 50 eurobux here (read it somewhere, calm down spooks), I'm guessing an uncucked Yugo AK is about 400 or something

>>127473113
what the fuck, even in our most cucked states, if the attacker is armed, you fucking shoot him

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>>127477890
make your own thread lad. We're having fun discussing gun laws with eurobros here

>>127479164
People here are not really familiar with how guns look, so when something looks like a gun, everyone assumes it is a gun provided it doesn't look like a kids toy. Nobody is going to risk being shot because of their ignorance and/or bravery for minimum wage and the insurance company. Just hand over the money and let he police have a good one at it.

>>127479213

And how much does this cost? 40,000 euros?

>>127472405
Just buy a common semi-automatic rifle in a decent caliber (.556 is fine) and look up the mechanism for full-auto conversion. Most AR-15 models will be extremely easy to convert.

>>127478263
I didn't want to kill anyone. If I hadn't been shot at, and they clearly didn't know I was armed, despite yelling "who's there? I've got a gun". My state requires that you retreat from danger and only fire if you're shot at. I did both.

After I was cleared and allowed to take my property back, I was slapped with two lawsuits for wrongful death. One case was handled before I was even deposed. The other one was thrown out because I was literally attacked at the deposition by the decedents family. They have a right to be there during questioning by their attorney - but no right to say or do anything, even glaring at me, or trying to intimidate me is totally against the law. The lawyer for that family dropped his participation in the case because of this.

The police ended up arresting the mother and two cousins who had told me they were going to murder my entire family for shooting their "baby" (he was 35 years old, black, and spent 12 of his 35 years behind bars for ....armed robbery and carjacking).

At first I was completely despondent. I had only been the kind of guy who shot at the range. I had just finished the drywall and sanded down the wood floor that was literally just covered in a giant pool of blood, plus the railing on the stairs was pulled loose.

After the lawsuits were dismissed, I actually felt ok with what I did. And I moved to another city, with .04 percent African Americans in the population.

>>127479752
Fuck off ATF nigger.

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>>127479470

Not in Canada. They're extremely expensive, you'll pay $1500-2000 for a semi-auto HiPoint. It's probably already been used in murders by some nigger, too.

Hells Angels make a killing (lel) on illegal gun sales here in Canada. The irony is that about 1/4 of the stuff they sell is stolen from military/law enforcement. Half of our cops are so inept they LOSE their sidearms.

The hypocrisy:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lorne-gunter-when-police-mishandle-guns-vs-when-you-do

I can own an AR-15 but I couldn't buy alcohol until I was 21...

>>127479961
It's not even illegal to keep a little piece of metal sitting around your house until shit hits the fan. It's easy as hell to buy or make a drop in auto sear, and you don't have to actually put it in the gun until you're ready to go. Until that time, it's just a piece of scrap metal sitting in a drawer somewhere, totally legal.

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>>127479499

I agree. What I'm saying is that by inhibiting access to these fake guns, they're actually increasing the risk to shop owners. Someone looking down the barrel of a seemingly real gun isn't going to fuck around (I sure wouldn't). If they see the guy has a machete, though, and they figure "gee maybe I can reach my bat/axe behind the counter and smash this fucker", they're likely to get into a fight that leaves them wounded/dead.

The BEST thing to do is just ban niggers/arabs. Your crime rates will plummet.

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>needing a gun
words and arguments are my weapon of choice

>>127473540
It probably has more to do with concerns over a coup, soldiers (frequently conscripts or mandatory 2 year service etc) letting shit "walk" off base. As for the military caliber bit, it is a little bit of the coup and a little bit of dumbfuck politicians assuming military caliber means more powerful. e.g. 9mm nato is restricted even though the slightly more powerful .38 super round is not.

>>127473386
This is actually considered a weapon in my country. :-/

>Yugo M70
You just need a favorable letter from your local imam

>>127474601
I'm all for memeing, but you should decide on one angle - it's Ahmed's who are overrunning us.

>>127480460
Anything used as a weapon can be considered a weapon. The bike lock attacker is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon even though a bike lock isn't necessarily considered a weapon.

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>>127472521
>Oi ye cheeky buggah do ye got a spoon permit?

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>>127473221
The Fallout 1 and 2 assault rifle always resembled the Valmet .308 more to me, at least. Fuck, I need to put those games on my linux machine, they give me the most nostalgia.

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>>127480391

They worked very well in the past, IIRC.

>>127477445
>
Whats the red button on the trigger?

>>127480960
It's a safety feature.

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Getting a license in Poland is a huge pain in the ass, but you can have black powder guns without it and no one can do shit about it. Stupid af

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>>127472521

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Well, we can own a lot of different weapons, but you need to send a request to the Police describing *why* you need the gun, and of course you need to provide proof that you're trained and know how to handle that sort of weapon. Oh, and they do a detailed background check as well, obviously.

("I want one" is not considered to be a good enough reason)

For example, if you want a rifle or shotgun for hunting, you can relatively easy get one of those after finishing the relevant courses and whatnot, though heavier calibers and automatics are MUCH more restricted when it comes to buying stuff for personal use, with some being almost or completely impossible to get.

Even a regular pistol requires you to have been a member of a pistol club for six months and to have finished any necessary training and practiced with the weapon(s) regularly, IIRC.

>>127479472
>what the fuck, even in our most cucked states, if the attacker is armed, you fucking shoot him

Well, from what I've read, it's less about "it's illegal to shoot someone in self defense" and more about "it's frowned on to use more force than proportionally needed to take down an attacker", and shotguns are often considered "overkill" for most such situations.

Which I can sort of understand, even if I don't agree with it... I mean, I'd say a pistol is a better pick for casual self defense.

Although, I could be wrong, on more than one account.

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>mfw this thread
Fuck I never knew how much I hate being nogunz.
Why the fuck are we so cucked here that we consider the government our best friend and provider of everything. Where's the personal responsibility. Where's the force that keeps the government in check through violent action should the need arise? Our government can basically do whatever the fuck it wants and we would be completely powerless to resist. How do we defend ourselves against outlaws who do have firearms?

I want muh guns.

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>>127480619
>>127480460

Yeah, it's usually about the intent of the user, or the actions they took with the object.

I think that's why we're allowed to carry katanas around in public, because it's not a weapon unless we use/intend to use it against someone.

>cop is talking to me and friends one night
>we were walking back from a friend's house
>cop sees two of us have folding knives in our pockets
>asks why we have them
>"for utility, sir"
>cop presses this, asks if we have them for self-defense
>"no sir, this knife is not for use against another person, ever"
>cop buttblasted he can't lay fucking criminal charges on a bunch of students
>tells us to "get home immediately, there's a B&E in the area and they're looking for the suspects"

>tfw police don't want you to be able to defend yourself
>tfw they would rather you be murdered/raped/assaulted/robbed, because it justifies their position

JUST

>>127481093
Once you are licensed to own, what kind of guns can you own in Poland? Semi auto rifles? Handguns?

>>127478746
yes, legaly youre suposed to use it to hunt at medium ranges.

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There needs to be a Eurogun infographic complete with recommended models for various licence levels and price points.

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Morphy Richards - Kettle - 102029 Accents Pyramid Red.

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>>127481280
this

>>127481142
So, an easily to conceal ones are illegal. Makes sense desu

>>127481142
What is the overall length requirement for revolvers? Also that graph
>The government doesn't trust mainlanders
Yeah, cause the Mainland is where most of the coons live.

>>127481093

Can you buy black powder/rounds without the license though? Or are they basically letting you own a gun, but no ammo?

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>>127481245

>>127472405
What good is having guns when you aren't allowed to use it for self defense.

>>127481187
If you enter my house, I will assume you are here to kill me. Thus, I will respond accordingly, and kill you. I could shoot a guy in the legs, completely disable him, and I'd still shoot him in the chest/head, because I just wouldn't stop shooting until he was dead.

>>127481142
>we can have semi-autos, they just have to be bb guns

>>127479576
>Only if the land has been cleared for HME by an FEO (it won't be)
Google a village called Newburn in England. The land I have access to there has people with .50 cals and I assume is legal.

>No you weren't, you back-pedalling Section 2 pleb.
Let's take a look at what I said, should we?
"You can own it and "not use it" if you know what I mean."

The context that was in: well, the sentence before it: "You require either access to a plot of land, or access to a special range to legally fire it."

....."You can own it and ""not use it"" if you know what i mean"

Lel. Are you a fucking retard? Your reading comprehension is so basic I had to lay it out for you for you to understand it.

What else would I be referring to? Why would I put ""not use it"" in quotation marks if I meant in a literal sense, not to use it?

Fucking hell.

And for the record, what is the "cucked" version of the Mossberg 500? I'm talking about the Mossberg 500 mate. It'll do, or just mad you have no other points to make you decide to attack the gun its self?

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>>127472405
gun

wrapped barrel and front with memetape it's pretty cool, did the buttstock and hand grip too

>>127474487
>almost all rifles only allowed as long as they're .22
Might as well only be allowed to buy marshmallow guns

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>>127481327
Damn, I heard that shit is so powerful it's illegal in the US

>>127473922

thoughts on the H&K p30sk?

>first gun
>cc
>home defense
>da/sa
>left handed

>>127472405
>8 Cartridges
Except this is not legal Juan José

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>>127472857
are those shotgun shells?

>>127481692
I already said this, "better to be armed in the UK than unarmed anywhere else" and I wasn't 100% correct with that statement either. There are other calibres.

Anything constructive to say or are you just trying to dicksize?

>>127480619
Absolutely with you, desu. If I shove my cellphone up your arse, your intestinal wall breaks and you bleed to death, the phone is considered a weapon.

But my government made the law in ways, that say if you have a bike chain in your glove compartment or in your trunk of your car, they can charge you with carrying of a weapon. Without even having injured anyone.

>>127481223
The old meme "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" doesn't have to apply to Tyrone and Mahmoud alone, Luuk. I think it is time you took advantage of the Schengen. Maybe a trip to Serbia or Slovenia would lighten your mood. Bring some money, make some friends. I recommend Zastaava, I heard it is a beautiful village right of their M70A highway. Happy trails.

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>>127481565
Lel. He deleted his comment. Poor bastard. Good job I saved it.

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I imagine most of you former East bloc bros have tons of shit looted & stashed in the hills after your gov'ts went all sideways in the 1990s.

Related:

http://youtu.be/RzK_tLgXN_w

>>127481510
>If you enter my house, I will assume you are here to kill me. Thus, I will respond accordingly, and kill you. I could shoot a guy in the legs, completely disable him, and I'd still shoot him in the chest/head, because I just wouldn't stop shooting until he was dead.

>>127481510
>respond accordingly

Alright, that made me giggle. Thanks, anon.

>>127481496

An old man in Germany shot and killed some teenagers breaking into his home at night (probably T*rks). Court let him go, but he was rich, so his lawyers definitely played a role in that.

Any Krauts have the link for this story? I only remember reading about it.

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>>127481691

inb4 license to own pressure cookers
inb4 backpack registry w/ capacity limits
inb4 all bags must be transparent to prevent concealment of anything
inb4 humans not allowed to carry bags
inb4 clothing is banned to prevent concealment
inb4 naked humans walking around forced to undergo random cavity searches by police all day every day

>>127481798
>if you have a bike chain in your glove compartment or in your trunk of your car, they can charge you with carrying of a weapon. Without even having injured anyone.

This is hard to believe.

>>127481430
No, you can buy it as long as you are 18 years old and have a black powder replica of a gun made earlier than 1885.

>>127481252
I have no idea but I'll look it up

>>127472405
I don't know why Europeans bother respecting the gun laws of their respective dystopian socialists hells. They don't protect you from bad people, nor does the government. They spooked you idiots into giving up your rights to self-defense because some guy at some time might have shot people.

Think about how insane that is: You can't legally defend yourself from being killed in some countries because of random anecdotal historical events.

>>127473113
Shoot them, bury them, don't report the act.

>>127475571
>>127475797
It's just missing the porn and burgers then it would literally be perfect

>>127481925
What do you need a backpack that can carry more than a laptop for? Are you one of THOSE people?

>>127481726
That's a saiga, so what the hell else would they be?

>>127481142
>.22 and below

lel

>>127472405
>LEGAL GUNS
it is really dumb to own a gun legaly. you can't use it on anyone.

illegal weapons are really preferred way to go.


fuck usa

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I don't think there are any laws against it.

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>>127481430
yes. you can buy blackpowder gun like a apples. you only need to have your gun registred to buy a blackpowder here - its legal to own and trade it between ppl but you can't just buy it form the street (you still can ask someone to buy it or just buy it in czech rep. and just bring it here).
yeah. law here is fucked.

>>127481252
afaik its one licence for a handgun and then more licences for more powerfull guns but i dont know for sure

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>>127482182
>you can't use it on anyone
that's where you're wrong kiddo

>>127481496
You are allowed to use self defense in a lot of western European nations though.. .Common law on self defence is taken by US states from UK law for example. France is reasonable too.

>>127481701

I normally do not advise students to buy a handgun until AFTER they have had training and some experience, especially if it's their first gun. You may buy an expensive pistol and come to discover that it doesn't fit you properly, or you can't handle it well, etc... assuming you have done this, it's a decent pistol.

As for whether or not it's left-handed, doesn't matter unless it's a rifle, then there's some differences. Same with eye dominance. I'm left-handed as well, but it is very easy to adapt to right handed pistols with a little proper practice.

>>127481785
>better to be armed in the UK than unarmed anywhere else
Except only being allowed .22 and below might as well make you unarmed because you're not gonna hurt shit your little bee sting gun.

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>>127482192
Canada banned the G11 by name, so there's definitely a law against that.

>>127481496
and who is so cucked that they wouldn't use a gun in self defense, even if they had to, because the law says you can't?

>>127474487
>like being stuck in .22 calibre
this is completely untrue
do you think people hunt deer with .22?
You can have basically any calibre, even .50cal, as long as you can justify it.
Good job not even looking at your own image, you colossal twat.