>weather in Virginia breaks, spend Presidents Day weekend

>>14864
I always have a honeybee sting me right on the spot the tick bit. It fucking hurts and swells, but obliterates the ring and everything else. This is probably only good within x amount of time, like same day.

Go to a doctor now and get the meds that prevents this shit from happening to you. If you don't, the meds will not work as well the longer you wait.

>How do I stop being so terrified of the little bloodsuckers?

Don't, the diseases they carry will destroy your quality of life.

Do all ticks carry lyme bacteria? Or only those related to deers?

>>14866
Only deer ticks. Along the trail I only ever see deer ticks anyway, though.

>>14866
No and not even all deer ticks. Just watch out for a ring like in OP or a red line leading from the bite to someplace else like your armpit. Same goes for bug bites. True bugs not just insects. All bites should be monitored, but of course not all are the same disease.

>>14868
What the fuck, true bugs?

>>14868
>>14867
There are no deer in my country, does this means no lyme at all then?

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>>14870
They're also called sheep ticks and taiga ticks. I don't think you can get away from the fuckers.

>>14871
>I don't think you can get away from the fuckers.
I mean, you can, you just have to go to the shitty parts of the planet.

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>>14869
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera

>>14872
Which have even worse insects and diseases.

>>14874
Also brown people.

>>14871
>New Zealand
How can a country be so based?

>>14864
>Be in finland
>get bit by tick
>no bullseye but after a few week get a cold for two weeks
>feel really weak afterwards, can't hike much, no energy to do things
>go to the doctors
>get laughed at by superior free healthcare because lol lyme only affects you after many many years
>2 years later still feeling generally weak
Fuck the doctors

>>14877
For a decade or so a lot of doctors thought Lyme was mostly psychosomatic. It's some horseshit man.

>>14864
>>>/an/

>>14873
I thought this guy attacks pine trees and veggies. Bed bugs are in other ballpark.

>>14871
>Iceland
>ticks

kek

>>14877

I was pretty certain I had lyme from a tick. I live in the US but have no health insurance. I just went to the nearest free healthcare clinic and talked my way past the waiting period and got free antibiotics the next day; a whole months supply. I took half of it and kept the other half for future trips for my medkit.

Helps to scare them and say you have a VSD and if you get an infection because of it, you pretty much just die instantly. Man the look on that lady's face when I told her.

I really was born with a VSD.

>>14879
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kissing+Bug+bite&tbm=isch

>>14881
>I took half of it

You stupid fuck.

>>14865
So what you just capture a fucking bee with your bare hands then apply said bee to your fucking tick ring?

Get the fuck outta here.

>>14881
how is a VSD related to any treatment? isn't that like ... the most unserious thing you can have with your heart?

>>14864
Tics don't like the taste of garlic eaters' blood. I've gone on several trips with friends where they all came back with tics and I didn't.

>>14866
>>14867
Other tics can carry other diseases though.

>>14868
>>14869
Actually, tics are arachnids.

>>14881
Just buy more antibiotics. You can find anything on the internet.

>>14877
>be inna late 80s early 90s
>be watching 20/20 with bawbwa wawa and hugh downs
>be about lyme disease
>some doctors refuse to believe it exists

fucking retards.

then I have to deal with you assholes telling me about the coming ice age one decade and global warming the next

>>14884
I put it in a jar, shake the shit out of it to stun it then with a tissue I pick it up and press it against the bite as close to the center as possible. It releases apitoxin.

>>14888
Put the fucker in a jar in the freezer till it stops moving. Usually 20-30 min. When it stops moving take it out of the jar. It will take few minutes to revive. Then do what you want with it. We used to tie a string around a leg and pin it to a board.
>I was a terrible kid.

>>14889
You shouldn't use cold to do that, it will adversely affect the apitoxin and its delivery.

>>14864
Picaridin.
Pants in socks.
Avoid tall grass when possible.
Check nightly.
Done.

>>14871
Holy fuck that's a big range. But I think Lyme only occurs in the USA.

How did the injuns deal with this shit? I imagine they would all become infected at some point I their life since they lived in the woods.

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>>14864
Lyme is not really a big deal, Chronic Lyme is not a thing. Just get on the antibiotics and get lots of rest.

>>14894
Isn't the problem that Lyme often goes undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for years, upon which time simple antibiotics are no longer a cure...

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>>14894
>Lyme is not really a big deal
I wonder who could be behind this post

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16040645
>CONCLUSIONS: This meta-analysis provides strong evidence that some patients with LB have fatigue, musculoskeletal pain, and neurocognitive difficulties that may last for years despite antibiotic treatment.

>>14896
Incorrect

>>14896
>Posted Dec 2005

Something a little more recent would help your case better

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>>14897
I'm with ya. And measles vaccine causes autism, gubmints putting fluoride in the water so girls grow big tits and boys have no sex drive. #dump trump

>>14864
I hate those fuckers so much. We have swarmes of mosquitoes and blackflys, but at least they don't transmit diseases..... At least yet. The day common mosquito will deliver some deadly virus like malaria, all finns will die.

>>14898
The fact of the matter is Chronic Lyme goes into the same shit bin as fluoride nutters, vaccine causes autism retards, and all other bullshit you wanna bring up.

People who say they suffer from Chronic Lyme go right into the same group as people who think they are fat because they have a hyporactive thyroid.

>>14877
I got CFS from a tick bite in 2006, can't work, cognition is fucked so I can't do work that requires much thinking either, it's ruined my life and nobody fucking believes me. I was fine before this shit, I was smart, I could do shit without being fucking exhausted from minor exertion

>>14895
>>14894
>>14896
>>14897
>>14898
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/index.html


Early Signs and Symptoms (3 to 30 days after tick bite)

Fever, chills, headache, fatigue, muscle and joint aches, and swollen lymph nodes
Erythema migrans (EM) rash:
Occurs in approximately 70 to 80 percent of infected persons
Begins at the site of a tick bite after a delay of 3 to 30 days (average is about 7 days)
Expands gradually over a period of days reaching up to 12 inches or more (30 cm) across
May feel warm to the touch but is rarely itchy or painful
Sometimes clears as it enlarges, resulting in a target or “bull's-eye” appearance
May appear on any area of the body
See examples of EM rashes

Later Signs and Symptoms (days to months after tick bite)

Severe headaches and neck stiffness
Additional EM rashes on other areas of the body
Arthritis with severe joint pain and swelling, particularly the knees and other large joints.
Facial palsy (loss of muscle tone or droop on one or both sides of the face)
Intermittent pain in tendons, muscles, joints, and bones
Heart palpitations or an irregular heart beat (Lyme carditis)
Episodes of dizziness or shortness of breath
Inflammation of the brain and spinal cord
Nerve pain
Shooting pains, numbness, or tingling in the hands or feet
Problems with short-term memory

>>14864
>>spend the night in a hut

Your own damn fault for being a retarded casual.

>>14894
my uncle was a ranger and now has lyme, he leads a somewhat normal life, but when it acts up he can be btfo for an entire week. literally he can barely leave his house and he gets really weird migraines.

>>14900
>>14904
honestly my uncle is a bit of a pansy and also a conspiracy nut.
Even worse, a leftist conspiracy nut.

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>>14897
it's not a ham sandwich, retard, by your logic we should shit-can the entire collected scientific knowledge base

>>14902
>Untreated Lyme Disease

You played yourself, we are not talking about people who contract Lyme and don't get treated we are talking about people who get Lyme, get treated then have vague complaints about weakness and other bullshit.

>>14907
Op is untreated

God damn do I love living in a state that's dry and cold

>>14864
I never got the bullseye for the lyme disease, I just felt like increasingly shitty with stiffening joints for the next week until I finally got a super inflamed rash on my head/neck that convinced the doctors

If there was one species I'd opt to totally wipe out, it'd be brain-eating amoebas. If I had two options, ticks would be #2.

>>14908
>Moving the goal posts

My statement was Chronic Lyme is not a thing not Untreated Lyme.

>>14911
N. fowleri infection is too rare to give a fuck about, if you're really that paranoid about muh 300 recorded cases since the 60s use a noseplug when you're swimming in stagnant algae-filled ponds in the summer.

And to be honest, I'd be more worried about cyanotoxins.

>>14907
Many people don't get a rash, and don't get the early symptoms, and so are unaware that they have Lyme until much later. Ergo, it remains untreated until it is a much more resistant illness. It's not unheard of for people to be on a regimen of multiple antibiotics for many years of even for the rest of their lives, because the treatment never fully works. On the other hand, the majority of people who get Lyme either notice the rash or the symptoms quickly, and treatment is effective for them in a very short time.

And then there are people who are given a treatment regimen until the illness appears to be gone, but then reappears periodically, because they weren't treated for long enough and the disease is still present.

All of these scenarios are real, and if you are denying that, then I have to wonder whether you don't have any experience with Lyme, or whether you're just very lucky and you don't know anyone who has had long-term Lyme issues. Of course, you could also be a troll. Who knows.

>>14877
Had a coworker who got Lyme disease a over a decade ago, Drs refused to diagnose it for 10 years, he just started getting treatment a few months ago

>>14892
it definitely occurs in Europe. Otzi the ice man had lymes disease.

>>14916
aw poor bugga

There's a Lyme vaccine for dogs but not humans. :(

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>>14892
Mom got it here in Norway. Had to happen at some point. I literally picked 40 nymphs after one trip.

>>14919
Fuckin nymphs. The #1 cause of Lyme. I was doing yardwork at my brother's place once and got rolled by nymphs, probably found 10 or so that afternoon but my hair is long and I can't check my back and I have tons of moles and freckles and shit. Who knows how many I didn't find. Luckily I don't seem to have gotten da Lymes but it's way too easy with those fucks.

>>14918
There was a Lyme vaccine for people too, but it got pulled because it was actually giving people the disease.

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>>14920
>but my hair is long
time to grow up and cut your hair

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>>14922
but anon my hair gets me so much boipucci

>>14877
>>14901
All the people that don't believe you are morons, but especially the doctors, they are the biggest fucking morons ever.
I'm really sorry for you guys.

>>14923
this is not long at all

>>14925
in terms of finding nymph ticks it is, which was the context. you see, i use a trimmer on my junk and it would make it much easier to find a tick on there. sides of my head, same thing. but the top? no dice.

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>worrying about Lyme disease
>when there's a tick that can bite you and make you allergic to meat for the rest of your life
>you'll only notice you're now allergic after you've eaten a steak and suddenly die from anaphylactic shock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblyomma_americanum

How do we kill all ticks?

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>>14928
Scorched earth policy.

>>14928
Infect them with Lyme disease

>>14864

>gf's family has beautiful wooded land in central TX
>gf's mom got bit by tick there years ago
>gets Lyme
>worsens over time, pain, fatigue, can't walk without a cane
>one year while staying in the old house on the property, gets stung by scorpion
>Lyme disease cured, all symptoms gone

I have no reason to believe any party involved is lying to me about it, and weirder shit could happen.

The first time I stayed on the land after hearing this story I was terrified of ticks, but then also comforted knowing the nearby scorpions could cure me, then terrified again of the scorpions

>>14931
>scared of ticks
>comforted by scorpions
>terrified by scorpions

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART!!!

>>14928
CRISPR

>>14928
One tick at a time, brother.
One tick at a time.

>get bit by tick as a youngster
>No bullseye mark, parents had no idea I was even bit
>Years later get really ill
>Sleepy, achy, fever
>Start to lose eyesight in right eye, first sporadically then permanently
>Several tests, some excruciatingly painful
>Finally diagnosed me with MS, give me 4 more years to live
>Go to regular doctor to tell her the news
>She gives me another Lyme disease test (I had one but I guess it only tests a few strands of Lyme)
>Dr tells me there are hundreds of thousands of strands of Lyme disease, not all have even been discovered, many react differently, some can kill, etc etc
>This test required 16 vials of blood all at once
>Once diagnosed I spent 6 months bed ridden and 2 years on antibiotics
>Jewish insurance companies don't cover payment because they don't recognize long term Lyme disease
>Got my sight back
>Still recovering from long term effects of being bedridden

Just because you don't have a bull's-eye doesn't mean you are safe, unfortunately.

>>14935
>>14864
I should add, the only reason I was correctly diagnosed with Lyme was because my fucking doctor had Lyme disease too and started to become a Lyme specialist. Otherwise I'd still be diagnosed with MS 4 years after my supposed expiration date.

>>14864

Ticks also spread TBE, at least in Europe. You can vaccinate against that, which gets you a pretty good cover.

There was a vaccine against Lyme disease, called Lymerix, but because some idiot patient advocacy groups sued GSK, there is nowadays no vaccination available anymore. It sucks.

Not saying GSK is a saint since they made the Pandemrix fuck-up with all the narcolepsia inside(tm).

Your best bet is to get antibiotic regime going as soon as you see those rings.

Any of you guys actually got this before? I started having these weird symptoms (swollen ankles, blurry vision, adoiminal pain) after an excursion to this abandoned prison, and I think it might have been a tick. It's been ongoing for three or four months now but no one can tell me what's wrong.

>>14899
While for the most part it isn't deadly, West Nile is still transmitted through mosquitoes and is like a less serious version of Lyme.

well i used to be really paranoid about ticks. but only until i actually started to go outside :) now i check myself twice a day with a mirror and have fun outside.

>>14864
Living in Estonia is pretty fucked with recent years (6-7), it doesnt get cold enough for long enough to cull them so i just quit going to the woods, every single forest is absolutely infested, they are in the big cities aswell so i just avoid parks. most of em carry lyme because of the sheer numbers. i just want something that kills em all along with mosquitoes fuck the ecosystem crash afterwards.

as long as you're young and healthy the risk of getting infected is actually really low (though not 0%).. just check yourself 1-2x per day and you're fine.

i caught lyme in a suburban wooded trail in Atlanta. I got antibiotics for it but I still have symptoms. It's completely destroyed my life. I'm not who I was before this.

>>14881
You're a fucking idiot

1) Antibiotics in a med kid make ZERO sense - they a) expire b) are worthless against viral infections and c) REQUIRE A FULL DOSE

2) FULL DOSE IS NECESSARY FOR ANTIBIOTICS TO COMPLETELY KILL THE BACTERIA, ELSE IT WILL COME BACK RESISTANT TO THAT ANTIBIOTIC.

Thanks for furthering the resilience of MRSA, retard.

If you "need" to feel like a goddamn medic, at least be certified. If you knew a goddamn thing you'd carry REAL emergency drugs, like DPH, Epi, spare tubes of Glutose, Glucagon, etc.

>>14944
Plus, in the case of the Lyme disease, it does not matter if you get the antibiotic one or two weeks after being infected.

>>14864
>How do I stop being so terrified of the little bloodsuckers?

treat yout clothing with permethrin insecticide solution. and spray deet on clothing, and duck pants into socks, and wear light colored clothing so you can see them crawling around.

>>14931
The reason why Lymes disease that doesn't receive prompt treatment is such a bitch to treat is that it settles into low blood flow tissues that are immunopriviledged, like your joint meniscuses.

Certain venoms, like bee venom and scorpion venom increase blood flow to these tissues, so your immune system gets another crack at the infection.

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>>14871

hurr

>>14875
>people

>>14864
I heard bee vemon is good against lyme.

>>14931
Medicine sure can get crazy at times, doesn't it?
>conventional medicine still ignores it.

>>14931
That's crazy. I heard of a similar story to that somewhere. I'm almost tempted to sting myself with a scorpion to see if it will do anything.

>>14864

>How do I stop being so terrified of the little bloodsuckers?
better be terrified. ever since i've been in the woods that one time and a tick bit me my life is ruined.

>>14932
LISAAAAA

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>>14877
How can this be a simple blood test shows if you have Lyme disease or not. European healthcare is crazy shame we're going the same route.

Also there are online pharmacies where you can buy amoxicillin with no prescription. Take 1000mg a day for 20 days and it will kill off that bacteria quickly to the point where your bodies immune system should keep it supressed. If you have a flair up just buy some more antibiotics. Only thing you have to worry about in well your liver and kidneys straining on the pills.

>hiking and camping with my dog
>one day his leg is all lame
>take him to vet for blood test and X-ray to see if its broken or fractured someplace
>dog has Lyme disease
>vet thinks his lameness is from dog blowing out ACL since he failed a drawer test.
>recommends I get him to ACL specialists
>get mess for Lyme and within 2 days lameness is completely gone and he fine again
>get an MRI just for giggles since I have dog insurance
>specialists tells me the dogs knee is completely fine and vet has no idea that Lyme can cause lameness

>>14944
With Lyme disease the bacteria is never fully killed. Hence when people contract it they always fail a Lyme test with blood because they always have it.

Also studies show holding onto old drugs are usually 80 to 90 potent passed expiration. Stop being some big pharma retard.

>>14955

Offtopic but stop buying antibiotics online you fucking retards. You only create resistant strains of superbugs that way.

Blood test in itself tells nothing, it has to be a combination of symptoms + blood check to make the diagnosis. You are likely to be seronegative for several weeks after the infection.

>>14864
The deer ticks in southeastern Ohio were active throughout the winter this year. We were pulling them off of ourselves by the dozens (literally) during the deer gun season. Temps would have to be below 20 before we would not find them on us. I can't imagine what spring is going to be like.

>>14957
Test to check for bacteria in your blood once you get Lyme disease you always show positive for Lyme even after you have it under control.

Blood tests show results if you want to know your body a blood test is very telling. I go to a private lab once a year to get everything check. I had a friend who felt like shit for 2 years and went to doctors and no one could help. I took Them to a private lab for some blood work, noticed he had a vitamin D deficiency.

Also doctors prescribe antibiotics as well there helping create superbugs and resistant strains. Let's be honest here even if a person did take an antibiotic when they shouldn't its not that big of a deal. Its the cow farms in the Midwest that they are pumping antibiotics into cows that's creating superbugs and resistant strains.

It's easy to identify if something is viral or not plus which how much information there is you can diagnose yourself properly every time. If your smart enough to by antibiotics online most likely you can diagnose yourself.

The only time someone should visit the doctor is for specialists needs like surgery,MRI,X-ray because it's not economical to own your own MRI machine.

>>14957
>>14956

There are over 30000 different types of Lyme disease most blood test do not test for all of them. Force your doctor to test for all of them or find one who will.

>>14959
Plz stop taking antibiotics, you are a retard.

>>14960
You don't need to go to a doctor private labs can do the same thing.

>>14961
I hold patents in stem cell research for a stem cell gauze that heals people quicker and provides less scaring and tissue damage if applied directly after surgery and I'm the retard. Get fucked you med school drone, just keep repeating what they told you in medschool. I can't stand non specialist "doctors" dealing with you fags and trying to explain stem cells at conferences makes my brain explode.

>>14962
explain stem cells please

>>14962
how much for private lab bloodwork

i dont have insurance so docs wont see me and free clinics are a joke

>>14964
Depends on the test and what state you live in, some states like New York don't allow private testing without getting a doctor involved. Google private labs md or quest diagnostics.

>>14963
Sure fag, give me your email I'll give you a list of the conferences I'll be attending so you can pay to come see me. Mainly dealing with regenerative and stem cell medicines.

>>14960

What...? Lyme disease is a bacterial infection which causes all kinds of symptoms.

You can't blood test for all the symptoms.

And a blood test is not the final word! It can only support diagnosis but you can't do a single blood test and say "yup, you're it".

>>14966
>Get blood test
>Borrelia burgdorferi present

Hurr but I better other tests done.

>>14967
Hurr durr false positive with elevated IgM due to other disease or earlier Lyme having left antibodies.

Hurr durr false negative because no symptoms yet and too early to detect infection, though you actually have it.

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>>14967

PS

>>14877
Sue them.

create some autistic super sealed up mosquito net suit that doesnt even allow ticks access to you

>>14881
do you know how antibiotics work? Always finish everything they give you. Always.

This year shall be the year of ticks! Ticks will run rampant over the land , a great scourge to all the warm blooded

>>14972
No related but
>be me
>have strep throat
>docta gives me antibiotics
>5-day course, says only get the refill if I need it
>not feeling 100% after a few days so get the refill
>after 10 days of antibiotics get a horrible sore throat again
>Candida albicans
>natural mouthyeast that grows out of control in the absence of mouth bacteria
>spreads from uvula to tongue, tonsils, epiglottis, and down esophagus into my tummach
>Candida albicans infection becomes 10x worse than the strep was
eh, it's a moving goal post anon

Wear pants tucked into socks, and long sleeves. Use bugspray around openings in your clothes like your waist, wrists, and neck.

>>14928
TICK GENOCIDE

>this thread

WHAT THE FUCK ILL NEVER GO OUT AGAIN FUCK U NIGGERS AND YOUR ALARMISM WTF DO I DO ABOUT TICKS GOD DAMMIT

>pesticides
>antibiotics

Are these sure things? I think ill stick to the fuckin beaches if forests are all tick central fuck me mates

>>14977
Ticks thrive on long grass and shores.

>>14931
Bees and black widows and hemo toxic snake bites also kill lyme*

*may also kill you

>>14914
The only person I know who has "chronic lyme" out of all the people that have had lyme that I know (including myself) is some chick that believes in homeopathy and took some plant live St Vincent's wart that's proven to interfere with anti biotics

>>14881
>a whole months supply. I took half of it and kept the other half for future trips for my medkit.

annnnnnnnd thid is how bacteria evolves immunities to antibiotics.

good job, you dumb asshole

>>14900
>People who say they suffer from Chronic Lyme go right into the same group as people who think they are fat because they have a hyporactive thyroid.

>bacterial infections cant have long term effects

>hormones dont effect metabolism

whatever you say, doc.

>>14871

Ah, ticks. Bane of the developed world (and China).

>>14980
You talking bout tumblr queen princess piss? Cuz she's the hottest catheter using slut I've ever seen

>>14941
You're a fat neckbeard that needs an excuse to not go outside.
We have plenty of forests with rare underbush, and swamps with fuck all going on.
I didn't get a single tick last summer. First tick I ever got was from an abandoned house infested with more cats than ticks.

>>14928
Boost the population of what eats ticks.

>>14865
How common is this? Could I make a biz out of overnighting honey bees to people for large sums of money?

>>14896
Skin looks like a fingers tip.

>>14879
Bed bugs don't carry fuck all for disease. They're just an annoying pest. People hate them because they don't like waking up to their legs covered in little bumps.

>>14956
Those are APAP tablets and other OTC pills you moron. Antibiotics are the not the same in terms of long term storage.

>everyone who's telling me I'm an idiot is just a BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY

Neck yourself before you evolve a superbug that kills mankind.

I have/had Lyme Disease. I got rid of it with a combination of eating zero sugars of any kind including from fruit and grains and taking antibiotics for a year and a half. A good counter to ticks is permethrin. You can even get your clothes permanently treated with it

Anyone saying chronic lyme is bs hasn't lived by the Amish. They wait too long to treat it and by then it's almost impossible to be rid of. It also by this point can begin to interfere with brain function

>>14991
>Permethrin

Enjoy your future cancer + Parkinson's disease.

>>14993
I'll take cancer over being unable to remember my own name without taking a second to think

>>14864
I got this when I was a kid and my legs have never stopped aching since. I also feel tired a lot but idk if that's connected.

>>14905
back to your containment board

>>14922
grow up and shitpost on 4chan like you right?

>>14938
It is lyme

>worried about lyme disease
>"don't worry, just let a bee sting you"
>mfw i'm allergic to bee stings
>guess i'll just die then

>>14928
Mass breeding of opossums.

But what about strategies to stop the ticks from getting you

>>14921
>vaccine
>for bacterial disease

Fucking dumbasses

>>14939
It's pretty rare nowadays to get a disease from mosquitos because they kill them off en mass (at least in Florida, planes fly overhead and spray for them). Living in Florida and being /out/ means your getting bit by monsquitos.

>>14949
>>14875
kys

>>14993
>>14994
oh boy all this lyme disease talk sure makes me want to never leave my house again :D

>>15002
anon you could be forgiven for not being a microbiologist, but being a cheeky cunt isn't necessary m8

https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacterial-vaccines.html

>>15002
You serious?

now I dread the next time my dad drags me out into the woods this summer

>>14965
how much /conf?

>>14864
He's gonna die. It's gonna be slow and he'll likely lose control of bowel functions many times along the way. Be a friend to him.

Realize also that odds are high you had a tick you didn't know about and are in the exact same boat. Post updates as you are able.

>>14866
As far as I know, most ticks aren't related to deer. Except maybe distantly.

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>>14928
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