Homegrowmen Thread #82

>>974435
I've got two 4'x4' raised beds with plans for one more--I'm wanting to make a little pathway between/around them with lava rocks and some walking stones.

There's nothing bad about that idea, right? My mom suggested I put sand down before the lava rocks to help kill the grass/weeds that are already there. I'm mostly using lava rocks because I had to move them anyway, from another area (flower beds) where I didn't want them.

>>974448
Put plastic down under the pathway gravel/rocks/blocks. You can use plastic dog/cat food bags, roof sheeting, etc. Just not blue tarp, not landscaping cloth, or clear plastic, those three deteriorate way too fast under paths. Sand will just be the perfect growing medium for grass and weed seeds to germinate and sprout.

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32 days after putting the seed in water, there finally is some top growth on the avocado. Root has reached some length too, allowing me to wait a day or two between waterings so I took of the plastic bag
Of course I've still got plenty of time to go before potting it

>>974464
Gratz! I haven't had one of those in decades.

>tfw someone broke it

I just got here, read through all of last thread. You guys are awesome, love reading all the useful info.

>>974464
I've never succeeded in this, are you supposed to remove the thin shell around the seed?

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Bees? In my flowers?

>>974741
Yeah, but it's just a thin skin I removed, dunno if I could have shelled more either. Heat is important though, I've been keeping it around 30°C

>>974744
Lel we still have sub freezing weather. No bees here

>>974464
Gj, i fucked mine up by putting it in soil too soon so be careful

>>974741
>I've never succeeded in this, are you supposed to remove the thin shell around the seed?
If the fruit had neen irradiated it won't germinate anyway

>>974796
Yeah, I'm definitely planning to completely dry some potting soil and then put it through a sieve, so I can fill up around the roots later on without issue

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Is this carob seed going full retarded?
Why the fuck is it keeping his roots lifted and not inside the ground

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A small side Garden I set up at work. All I have is a apartment balcony so this is what I did. Anyway there is okra yellow squash and cucumber. Also some brussel sprouts in the corner.

>>974833
All I see is a stem and the cotyledon that isn't unfolded yet. Just bury it up to that color change in the stem.

>>974843
Hope it goes well, they may be a bit crowded, fyi.

If I put seeds in seed trays, but keep them outside the whole time, I don't have to worry about hardening them right?

I assume not, because the seedlings will have spent their entire time outside.

>>974856
You only need to worry about hardening a plant off if it's a drastic change in environment

>>974862

Good. I'm thinking about planting the seeds as soon as it stops being cold. They're already pre-chilled in a fridge, so they should sprout immediately.

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36 hours and one luffa sponge seed has sprouted!

These things are so difficult to grow to maturity here because of the short growing season (120days). These things need 150-200 days. Last year I was able to get sponges, but not seeds. I'm hoping I'll get seeds this year too.

>>974856
Should be fine, but watch out for frost. It will kill them right off.

>>967711
Bell peppers are notoriously hard plants to grow well

>>974971
Without a seed heat mat, I have a hard time getting them to sprout properly then take off. After that it is easy.

>>974909
Have you thought about doing something like an earth-sheltered/sunken greenhouse?
I have a buddy who dug one and keeps his compost in there. 70°f minimum year round

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Any mushroom growers in here? Alongside my herbs and vegetables, I want to give it a try this year.
I've tried cloning some store-bought shiitake mushrooms as a starter. The thing is, I have no clue how it's supposed to look like. It looks healthy to me and judging from pictures I found on google, color and structure seem to match.

Any comments?

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Hey guys, here's one of my raised beds that's finally showing activity.

The first row is supposed to be red potatoes. Does that look right for them? Kind of worried since the big sprout looks a lot different from the other two.

Other things there are radishes, then onions, then scallions (latter two from the same package, just planted the scallions closer together).

>>975056
it looks like somethings growing nigga. :)

I've been cultivating a single strawberry plant since last fall inside, and it's finally fruiting now that the days are getting longer. It is working on 4 flowers as of now, of which 1 is in the process forming a strawberry - I'll be eating my earliest homegrown strawberry ever somewhere in mid-April.

>>974843
Pls remove that cigarette

>>975031
I have a glass, raised-earth greenhouse in planning. It will have 4 feet high earthen berms on the outside. I can't dig down because there's no where for the water to drain.

>>975035
Looks like good mycelium to me. Just watch out for green mold.

>>975056
Yeah, the big on at the bottom and one at the top are potatoes. The ones in the middle of the row, look odd. Leave them and see what they develop into.

>>975122
>drone_strike_footage_illegal_vegetable_farm.webm

>>974983
>>974971
That's why, once again, the heater/plastic bag method is where it's at. Easy and quick germination for almost everything. Peppers take me 7 days max that way

>>975173
The last time I tried that with peppers, they rotted instead of sprouting. I need to order some seeds from a reputable company. The local seed packets are all cheap dollar store crap that have an ultra low germination %.

redpill me on pesticides

I have leaf miners niggering up my lemon tree seedlings, what is the pesticide to go with

>>975205
https://organicgardeningnewsandinfo.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/organic-control-of-leafminers/

All you need to know. Leave no word unread.

>>975203
How did you do it? I'm always using some plastic container with potting soil and the seeds in it, make it moist but not too wet, wrap a plastic foil around it and put it on top of the radiator directly near the SW-facing window, so it has a constant ~30°C and enough light.
For seed quality, I had read that you have to let the peppers ripen on the plant until the fruit is dried up, but I saved some from a just "normally red" (ripe but not overly so) bell pepper last year and had near 100% germination with those.

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>>974798
>>974785
Oh wow, thanks. Would organic 'cados be radiation free?

Turns out I've got a planter in the masterbath that's always just had rocks in it. Made out of galvanized sheetmetal. It's got a drain into the plumbing and everything. Used to be full of rocks and gravel with very little dirt. Would like something decorative and durable there, good smelling would be a bonus since its next to the crapier. Any suggestions?

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>>975229
Dang, that picture turned out worse than I thought.
I live in a very cold area. The planter has a window next to it but it should stay around 60 F in the winter. Here's the drain and screen

>>975229
Anything organic is more likely to be true to the parent and non irradiated

>>975218
They were cheap store bought seeds.

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Anybody every grown luffa? Any good tips?

Also can someone link me to a reasonably priced arsenic and/or creosote soil test kit?

>>975079

I have a junebearing one thats been through two winters on my window sill. still produces berries twice a year! this summer im hoping to transplant it into the yard im getting!

So, for how long should I keep seeds on an humid paper towel before discarding them as non viable?

I put some habanero chilli seeds on paper in a sealed Tupperware container. I open it everyday for a few minutes, adding some water drops now and then to keep it damp (not wet), and keep it over a heater.

No visible roots after week and half.

By contrast, in exactly the same conditions, the basil seeds were sprouting in couple days and the first leafs were visible by the fifth day, which is when I choose to transplant them into a pot.

>>975333
It took me 3 weeks in soil on a heating pad to get my habarnaros seeds to germinate. Hold on man

>>975264
Huh, in the year before I used such ones too, IIRC the pack cost €0.19 but they too sprouted well. But yeah maybe you got a shitty batch

>>975079
Some of my outside F. vesca have also already started flowering a few days ago for some reason

>>975317
No idea on a kit, but if you're in the US look up the nearest eXtension (intentional capitalisation) office. Should be close to a landgrant/state college. They usually offer pretty extensive soil testing services at very reasonable rates

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>>975440

Great advice, found one near by!

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How to grow friends? Maybe even a gf when i get good at it?

>>975460
sleep tight mosser

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Will this dendrobium grow new roots? Im expecting it to die. Its missing I would say 30% of its pseudobulb.

>>975475
Not an expert on dendrobiums by any means but if it's only missing 30% of a bulb I'd say good odds. Drop it in some rooting hormones and keep it out of direct sunlight for a few weeks
>>975459
Nice, glad to be of help! If it does turn out your soil's no good, I'd suggest sunflowers/sunchokes for bioremediation, and straw-bale gardening in the meantime.

>>975475
It might, keep it in water.

>>975421
I live in the USA, Dollar Store/Family Dollar stores have the worst seeds imaginable. Even their watermelon and squash seeds have like a 10% sprouting rate.

All my saved seeds that are less than 3 years old have sprouted just find at around 90%-100% germination rate. Same goes for the expensive heirlooms I've ordered online.

>>975317
>Anybody every grown luffa?

I'm on my 3rd year of growing them.

1st year: never got ripe enough to make sponges
2nd year: made sponges, but not ripe enough to keep the seeds
3rd year: starting them indoors long long before the planting season begins

Hopefully, I'll get seeds this year too.

>Any good tips?

They have a long growing season and require lots of heat. Zone 7 temps and frost range is about what you need to grow them 100% outside. In colder Zones you will need to grow them 1-2 months indoors before setting them outside and keep them covered until temps are pretty warm at night.

Cold temps really slow down their growing when outside. Don't mulch them, they like warm soil.

>>975333
Until they rot. Basically 2-3 weeks ( >>975418 ). You will need to keep the seedlings' soil warm too or they won't grow much.

>>974911

It seems like the danger of frost MIGHT have passed. The lows are always near 60 by projection.

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>>975502

I'm very familiar with straw bale gardening. It's on the plan anyway :^)

>>975515
Just cover them at night.

>>975322
Good on ya strawberrybro

>>975079
At least you will get to eat it and not a squirell

im gonna blend and spread superhot peppers around my yard this year, I cant eat those ghost peppers anyways

>>975543
Love the setup!
Idk if you care about the lawn, but to keep it green longer into the summer add chelated iron, cut it high and let the cuttings fall on the lawn, and if you water, do so deeply and infrequently

>>975460
The moister your moss, the moister your future grillfriend will be. Dies if you don't manage to keep it moist, although unless it's been dry for weeks, it bounces back eventually. It's easy to take care of, but you should start off with all the moss you want because it's basically the slowest growing plant ever and you'll never notice any difference in size.

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>>975711

I'm renting so the lawn isn't my highest priority. Its mostly clover anyway.

We had a crispy hot June and July that year, so almost everything was toast just after that last photo. Tomatoes stopped setting and only my marigolds kept growing (Like absolute mad too)

We're moving next week to a different property, so I get the joy of hauling the dirt out of my raised beds, compost piles and all my pots, etc. New property has some nice beefy flower beds, but theyre made out of railroad ties. Might just plop straw bales ontop of them and hope nothing roots down into the soil.

Before we decided to move, my next project was to try aquaponics with some goldfish. Mabye grow salad greens and idk what else. It's just fun to stay busy.

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>>975754
>all those houses so fucking close

abject horror

>>975759

It's a cute neighborhood with plenty of >$1,000,000 Victorian homes, little cracker boxes like mine, and a handful of duplexes. A famous midcentury author used to live on the lot next to mine. It's now a shitty $600/mo duplex. Go figure.

The new house we're renting is far enough away from neighbors that I can keep bees and not have to pass out fliers for the safety of anaphylactic children

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>>975764
I'm glad you can keep bees, but that really isn't very far.

I lived all my life in the country side except 3 years in a city. Worst experience ever in the city. Now I 100% own 43 acres in B.F.E.

>>975772
Rent it out

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>>975814
I have other houses I rent out.....in the city.

>>975837
Rent land

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Im really curious about the american school.

What are you taught about geography?

>>975841
Doing that raises way too many problems. People have funny ideas about what they are allowed to do with a parcel of leased/rented land. Renting apartments is bad enough. I'd rather rent storage buildings than apartments. Far less trouble. Renting farm land, nope.

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As of right now the only things in this pic are the house, deck and walkway. Everything else is dead grass and sand.

Ive never grown anything that didnt give me food so this landscaping stuff is all new to me, any help greatly appreciated

What do you guys think of my plan? Any improvements? Tips?

>>975852
Didn't I already reply to this like last year or do you just have the same house as another anon? lol

FYI, hosta shoots are edible, just don't over cook them or they will be wicked bitter. The hosta may be too close tot he path, they tend to lay over a bit with large leaves and their flower stalks also fall over after a while.

Normally I plant my snowpeas in Spring. But just to see what would happen, I've planted a few seeds now in Autumn
Does anyone know what I should expect? Will I get a harvest or will it be too cold?
Btw I live in Melbourne, Australia. So during winter nights it falls to 7°c and during the day it'll be 15°c.

>>975850
Of course

But make clear arrangements of rent

>>975866
Snow peas are an autumn / winter crop anyway iirc. I always start sewing seeds for them (here in Northern Burbs of Melb) from about now through winter.

a good website to check out
http://www.baag.com.au/ideas-advice/edible-gardening/what-to-plant-each-month-in-melbourne/

remember to buy good seeds too, not the swill from bunnings or woolies (that way you can save seed from the best plants and use it again in future years)

>>975866
Plant now, it is perfect.

Should I be placing habanero/thai chili/serrano chili in dirt before placing them in a sealed bag? My jalopenos sprouted fine with just a wet paper towel and a heating pad as have most of my seeds but I've read a lot on here of people struggling to get hotter peppers to germinate.

>>975883
>>975908
Oh shit, I never knew
I always just planted them at the end of winter
Cheers guys

>>975917
You plant them any time it is cool but there's no threat of killer frost. So, at the beginning of the hot season and at the end, when it is still cool.

>>975910
The moist towel in a heated bag should work. When you place the sprouted seed into the soil, keep the soil heated until you are hardening it off outside. When you plant it outside, take the temperature of the soil. It should be 65°F (18°C) when you transplant them into the ground.

>>975939
Thanks for the advice, it gets pretty hot here so I suppose I should try to transplant in the morning. I will take the temp and everything, good advice.

>>975218
Peppers that you let ripen on the plant and go for a while will probably have a higher germination rate, but I've germinated seed from fruits that were picked green then turned red off of the plant.

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Should i try splitting the tomatoes/bell peppers apart or should I just trim the smallest ones? Also, do they look healthy? They seem a little thin.

>>975961
Why is that inside?
Why would you trim saplings?
They look like they're hemorrhaging chlorophyll from lack of UV light. They should be a much deeper green.

>>975969
I admit I started the seeds a bit early for here in Washington. It's just now consistently above 40. I just started putting them under a grow light yesterday. Are they doomed?

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ok last blueberry handholding post i promise


is this overbearing? spring in san diego

>>975975
Not yet, just keep the light on them for 6-8 hours and keep your house warm. I wouldn't trim them though.
You should maybe consider transplanting them to a bigger container that you can pack soil around them in to give them support.

>>975979
By "trim" I meant leave only the strongest sapling in each seed starter. Yeah I was planning on transplanting them this weekend.

>>975981
Personally I'd give them a chance but if they're stunted you might as well. They don't look like a lost cause, just be careful not to give them too much UVs since they don't have the chlorophyll to soak a normal amount in.

>>975982
Dumb question, do grow lamps emit much/any uv?

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Has anyone had any luck with planting bulk dried beans/peas?

Black eyed peas specifically?

>>975122
that shit just popped up in my youtube recommendations and I have no idea why, after watching it I came to this board.

Am I being conditioned by google?

>>975961
I personally wait for them to get two true leaves. Splitting don't work well, usually it only destroys all the roots. I either cut those I don't want at the base, or I water the pot a lot and gently pull off those I want off the pot but may want to replant. I think that gives more of a chance to the roots

>>975991
If you buy a UV bulb. Regular incandescent bulbs do not.

>>975991
Also it really depends more on how long you have it on. You don't want sunspots from shocking them with too much UV/heat.

Will rain fuck up freshly planted seeds? My area's due for thunderstorms tomorrow and I'm wondering if I should wait.

>>976086
Depends what you planted and how deep

>>975961
Very early trim

>>976088
Various vegetables at depths ranging from 1 inch to 1/4 inch.

>>976097
Provided it's not flooding rains, it should be okay
Does the soil drain well?

Either way, let us know how it goes in a few days

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>Todays trim
1/2

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>Todays trim
2/2

do you guys know how many tomato plants would suffice for 2 persons? Last summer I feel I went a bit overkill and planted 30, but they all got JUSTed by the mildew so I don't know what yield I should have expected

>>976104
>Does the soil drain well?
It didn't used to, but I just finished breaking up some large patches for the garden and incorporating new soil I bought. Don't know how well those areas drain yet.

I'm going to wait anyway, too tired to get into sowing now.

>>976118
How many do you consume daily?

>>976118
Depends on so much. Amount you want to eat, plant variety, climate/weather etc etc
Also are you sure it was mildew and not blight? Because the latter one is kinda hard to completely avoid, sheltering from rain, mulching the ground and quickly removing infected leaves helps a little

>>976129
I wouldn't know, always nice to have some and I guess if I get overwhelmed by the sheer number of them I can always store them in the freezer

>>976130
nah I think it was mildew alright. What pisses me off is that I planted them quite late in the season but a few days of drizzle combined with warm temperatures condemned them, and it spreaded insanely fast too. Everything died

>>976131
Same here.
Farming 40 sproutd

>>975977
Looks fine, but...you'd best hope bumblebees are nearby. Honeybees suck as pollinating blueberries and if they don't get pollinated, no berry.

>>976131
Protip--try pouring milk on the leaves affected by mildew. No idea why it works, but it did wonders for me. I can almost guarantee you'll see it again if you plant in the same spot, as that's the nature of fungal diseases.
>>975997
Soak and germinate them before planting, plant only the ones that successfully germinate, eat the rest. Having sprouted bulk dried beans (tho not peas) before, only about half or so will grow.

>>976138
>I can almost guarantee you'll see it again if you plant in the same spot

oh god is it true? Does this shit tend to stick around?

>>976140
Not him and not an expert but I've also heard that you shouldn't plant plants of the same type in the same spot where you've previously lost plants to fungus.

Not sure how long it lasts, though.

>>976140
Many shrooms do, so I often here you're supposed to rotate the planting spot around yearly for 7(!) years, including other nightshades. For me that's impossible though as I neither have the space (we generally don't have hectare-sized properties in cramped Yurop) nor the will to de-/re-construct my tomato sheds every year, or build 14 of them

>>976142
>>976143
should I preemptively use a bordeaux mixture when I plant them this year then? Does milk really work?

Has anyone here tried using those biodegradable peat seedling trays before?

Are they any good? Can the roots usually penetrate the peat alright once it's in the ground?

>>976145
As I said, protecting them from rain if possible helps. Also mulch on the ground.
Reason for those is that such shrooms often get to the plant by water that hits the infected soil and then sprays back onto the leaves (at least that's the case for blight), so you also should be careful when watering them

>>976145
>>976147
Also, avoid planting potatoes close by if possible

>>976147
>>976148
thanks

>>975998
maybe

>>975943
Make sure you harden them off. Meaning if they are indoors they will need to go out under cover for a few hours then returned inside. Repeat every day for a week or so. This will prevent sun scald and sudden temp shock.

>>975951
>Peppers that you let ripen on the plant and go for a while will probably have a higher germination rate, but I've germinated seed from fruits that were picked green then turned red off of the plant.

That's good to know. I normally allow the fruit to almost go rotten before harvesting for seed. I like to try to let them go naturally as much as possible.

>>975961
Those need LIGHT asap. Get any light bulbs on them you can spare. Don't thin them right now. Get the light on them and let them green up. After they have recovered, then choose 2 plants in each container you want to keep and cut off the rest. When you transplant them outside, wait 2 weeks before you choose which plant you want to keep of the 2 in each planting and cut the other one, if you wish. That will increase chances that you have all the plants you want.

>>975981
"Thin" as in "thinning" is the correct term when you remove some plants and leave others when there are too many.

>>975977
Look healthy enough for what is on the plant. There really should be more leaves though. I'd only transplant it (if you are going to transplant it.) After the fruiting is done. Or, remove all the flowers and fruit then transplant. That slight purple tint can be from overwatering or cold temperature changes. That is a TON of flowers for such a tiny plant. You may want to trim about 1/3 of them off. The remaining fruit will be larger as a result.

>>975991
>>976029
You can use any type of lightbulb. I've been using anything from incandescent to CFL to LEDs in round bulb to shop light forms over many years. Some will be better than other of course, but all do work. And more slightly inefficient light is better than too little light of any kind.

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>>976146
I use peat pots for seedlings, they work fine and roots can penetrate them

>>975997
As the other anon stated soaking makes a world of difference. If you plant dry beans/peas that need shelled before eating I highly suggest buying/making a bean sheller

>>975998
Yes, they are conditioning you.I find that gardening and diy stuff will get countered with sex, fail, money, political, overunity and procrastination type vids sprinkled as "recommendations." My browser doesn't keep cookies and I don't have a YT account, so there's no past history for it to select recommendations from. So, for me it feels like YT is trying to stop me from learning. I need to write a quick script to remove the "recommended for you" vids in the right panel

>>976118
10 plants will work for 2 people, if they never die and are healthy. 30 means you will need to learn how to dehydrate and water bath can to preserve them for later. Fresh tomatoes and even canned tomatoes are great for bartering with family friends and neighbors for services and goods you dont grow/raise yourself

>>976131
>>976134
>>976138
In the spring, I find that I need to leave the ground bare to help it evaporate water,prevent fungal and slug/snail problems. Later in the year when it is hot I mulch everything that needs more water, like tomato plants

>>976140
It really depends on the disease. Viruses and insects are a sure thing, so don't plant again in that area if you can help it. However, fungal problems like mildew require specific conditions, like too much moisture. This is because that same fungi is pretty much everywhere on all surfaces already. Moving the plants won't help, but changing the local environment will help. You have to hose off the leaves every evening when the white mildew strikes. Then spray them with a 1 part milk and 1 part water mixture; on and under leaves

>>976147
Removing bottom leaves is the biggest thing too. There should be 2-feet of bare stem later in the season. Hard to do that in early season though. A thin layer of mulch will be enough to help reduce rain splatter

>>976181
>character limit hit

>>976147
Anyway, a thin layer of mulch is best early in the season to prevent rain platter and not be so thick as to hold too much moisture during spring rains. Plastic sheeting isn't as good because of splatter, but it will be much better than soil/mud splatter.

>>976146
They are great, but you may need a seed mat for heating. They tend to cool the soil a great deal since they can evaporate on all sides. Thus, you have to watch out for them drying out too fast. I know a guy who hated them. However, he was transplanting them out of the peat pots and into the ground and complaining how terribly it tore up the roots. LOL We had to tell him that you were not to remove them from the pots and the roots grow through the sides and bottom when planted. He'd been gardening for 40+ years and never knew that.

>>976167
You can get really good LED grow lights on amazon for pretty cheap.

>>976211
That's what I did. "300watt" which I think actually draws 110w. Really god damm bright. So far the peppers have responded well.

>>976181
>10 plants will work for 2 people, if they never die and are healthy. 30 means you will need to learn how to dehydrate and water bath can to preserve them for later. Fresh tomatoes and even canned tomatoes are great for bartering with family friends and neighbors for services and goods you dont grow/raise yourself

Can confirm that canning them is awesome. Uncooked ripe tomatoes make me violently ill, but sauces and stuff are fine. I made many quarts of spaghetti sauce last year, and I'm now disappointed that I'm out. That was from 9 neglected plants that got a VERY late start.

FYI, some cultivars of tomato are not acidic enough for water bath canning to be ideal, and should either have vinegar/lemon juice added or be canned in a pressure canner.

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Speaking of tomatoes, I'm almost done with my shed.
Just missing the steel threads and the spirals that will be fastened there (as well as the plants obviously). Depending on from where the rain comes, I might add some more foil later on

>>976211
Of course. New tech is great and getting cheaper all the time now.

>tfw 1 LED bulb cost like $500 many years ago.

>>976277
Yeah, you really need to grow a lot of food to have enough to last until you start harvesting the next season.

I think I have enough pumpkin pressure canned to make 4 pumpkin pies a week for a year.

Good call about the low acid tomatoes, I forgot to mention checking the pH. Use pH strips to check to see if the pH is low enough to water bath can. Checking the pH really is the only proper way to do water bath canning. The pH must be 4.6 or lower for water bath canning, fyi.

>>976297
Looking good. I still have more than a month left before I can plant outside. I'm thinking about building a small greenhouse enclosure for 1 shelving unit. I'd be using patio doors though. I really need to build a full size glass green house some day (been putting it off for 5 years!)

>>975333
Peppers and beets are a bitch and can take almost a month to germinate. Give up after a literal month to-the-day.

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My first attempt at gardening agter reading these threads for a while. Capsicum, Spinach and Silver Beet. Happy with how its going so planning my winter crop now.

Any advice on planting a Persian herb garden?

This would ideally include the following:
>basil
>chives
>cilantro
>dill
>mint
>oregano
>flat-leaf parsley
>rosemary
>scallions
>tarragon

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My caps are increasing

>>976504
mine sprouted in like four days :/

i want to start growing shit but i've never done anything like that. is there a good place to start? i'm completely in the dark.

there's a lot of info on the pastebin but i was wondering if there's a good place to begin at specifically

>>976825
Pick an interesting plant and learn with it

>>976819

Forecast looks like I'll finally be able to plant outside this week. Probably just a few onion sets given we're still 5-6 weeks away from the last frost, but for future reference what are some other things that can go out super early? I did horseradish around this time last year, but I think that was only other one I could find when I was researching local planting dates.

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>>976840
It's quite nice here for the time of the year too. Mild night frosts could still come, but let's not hope for it
Already direct sowed carrots and early peas last week, but nothing sprouted yet. Potatoes will go out very soon too, also radishes, maybe leek
Some excess tomatoes have been outside too already for two weeks, but I just did that because I had no more space for them inside, normally planting them mid-April

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>onion sets

I put in a bed of yellow onion sets yesterday (pic). I had to add 600lbs of sand and stir it in. I have like 3 more beds to plant onion sets in. I'll remove them as I need room for other plants, but leave them between the other plants. I used the bottom spikes of the cattle panel to mark the holes for planting the onions. It worked really well.

I also HIGHLY recommend people get one of these, I've been using one for years for manure, sand, gravel, etc:

Truck Bed Cargo Unloader ($39.99)
http://www.harborfreight.com/truck-bed-cargo-unloader-60800.html

>>976679
>>976819
Looking good!

>>976817
Add:

Allium tuberosum (garlic chives)
Lepidium sativum (garden cress)
Satureja hortensis (summer savory)
Satureja montana (winter savory)
Nepeta cataria (catnip; likes sandy well draining soils)
Trigonella foenum-graecum (fenugreek)
Raphanus sativus (radish; for leaves)
Crocus sativus (saffron crocus; for saffron)

>>976825
>i'm completely in the dark.

Try mushrooms! Do you want to grow things to eat or look at? If it is for viewing, pick a neat plant and research how to care for it. If it is for food, make a list of foods you eat, look up the recipes, find out what is in them, select those fruits/veggies, research how to grow them.

>>976840
> what are some other things that can go out super early?

Most brassica plants. Like cauliflower, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, etc. Same thing for late season when it gets colder. All lily family plants (onions, garlic, leek, ramps), asparagus (crowns, not seeds; seeds after last frost), carrot family plants.

Would big seeds collected in spring be good to go or would they be dried out/dead due to not being in the soil and occasional -20'C temperatures in winter?

>>976864
They should be fine so long as they are kept dry and cool (under 100F/37C). They should last a few years depending on the type. Just soak them in water for 12 hours then plant.

My pepper seeds should arrive next week, together with my mini-greenhouse. I know it's a bit late, but I'm still gonna try it. Already got a heatmat for germinating/first growing stage, and a little table for when they're ready to go outside.
But I was wondering about lighting, is it advisable to give them a 'night' or will giving them extra light 24/7 for a while give em a boost to make up for the late start?

>>976865
Thanks. Next question: are the seeds that require stratification already stratified after winter? Logically they would be, but winters here are very cold (between -10C and -20C), and the seeds spent it laying on the ground/still on their mom, and not in the soil, while everyone says seeds need to be stratified in ~4C and in dark, moist conditions.

>>976885
1-5C works fine and is the proper temp range. Anything below is fine for outdoors, but if you are doing it indoors, use your fridge. Soak them for 12 hours then bury them in some sand-peat mixture and put in the fridge or in the ground.

If your seeds were outside, they are most likely ready to go.

>>976866
Mimic summer sun hours.

Hey all,

I plan on reusing my potting soil that I used last year to grow tomatoes and peppers and things again this year, also to grow more vegetables.

After I remove all the dead plant material from them, what should I treat the soil with to regenerate it?

I'm planning on mixing fertilizer in as I till it, but what else should I add to make the soil healthy again?

How can I make an inoffensive compost if I live in an apartment, have neighbors on all sides and have a few square feet of garden space outside?

>>976959
Do soil tests to find out what you need. Also, google up "compost tea". You need to look at what you will be planting and what its needs are versus what you get in your soil tests.

>>976976
Leave the compost open so it gets fresh air and oxygen. This is what cuts down on bad odors. It will then have a spicy odor instead of a rotten nasty odor. If you are composting meat and bones, that's a different matter completely and I don't recommend doing that in your house.

>>976825 here

not really 'in the dark' so much as completely uninformed

but yeah i dont have any part in my apartment that has good lighting so i'd have to invest in a fluorescent light

>>976830
>>976863

i was thinking of trying basil, been watching a lot of videos and it seems there's so many different ways of growing it - any tips?

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Hey /out/
Do you think i could break one of the nubs off my cactus to grow more cactus? Pic is the cactus

>>974448 awesome

>>977018
Cool cactus

>>977018
What is wrong with your cucumbers?

Yes

>>977017
>any tips?

It grows itself. Just plant a lot of seeds, keep the soil slightly moist but not "wet". Same as most things, only easier. Let some of it flower and go to seed asap so you always have a supply of seeds from your own environment.

>>976900
>Mimic summer sun hours.
Aight, thanks!

>>977028
I think he was trying a new fertilizer to made them more spicy.

>>976863

Wouldn't carrots and brassica still be at risk from a hard frost? I've usually stuck to planting them a few weeks later than onions.

>>977189
Everything is at risk of hard frost, always protect your stuff from that, but those plants will fair much better than say tomatoes or peppers. They don't mind 30-40F temps at night.

Anyone here tried to make a new cultivar yet through cross-pollination?

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What's up with this mold\fungus here? Should I be worried?

>>977435
Looks like powdery mildew. Is it inside or outside? Try removing it by hand, thin bad plants, change soil, give it direct UV light and get a fungicide.

Inside. I've been trying to wait until the weather gets better so I can transplant to 5 gallon buckets but the temps keep dropping

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The better soil and larger volume of soil has really perked up these transplants. Now I don't worry about watering so much. I like the LED shop lights better than the fluorescent ones. I don't worry about the leaves getting burned from the heat of the LEDs since there's basically no heat at all to the touch.

>>977435
It is fine. It will eat all the dead stuff, but should not eat the living stuff. It may also be forming a mycorrhizal relationship with your plant, trading nutrients for sugars. It also means there's probably too much water and too much organic matter for there to be that much.

>>977447
It isn't.

>>977451
Make a small cold frame. Place bottles of water around the plants to help maintain temps during cold snaps.

>>976959
add manure and compost

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Does anyone know how and when to collect seeds from chamomile?

The camera didn't focus properly, but I have a mix of flowerheads. Some which are dried up and brown, some which are still blooming flowers, and some in between.

I assume I pick the brown ones, but which part is the actual seed?

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>>977671
Yeah, the dead dry brown ones are what you pick. May sure they are dry or they will mold. If they are wet from rain you can dry them out by taking them apart, separating the seeds, and letting them dry on paper towels.

>pic related

>>977685
Thank you so much
So if I crush up those dead flower heads, I'll find those little seeds? Or should I just store the whole flower head and break it up as I need to replant it in the spring?

>>977686
Break them up now so that you can see how many fully developed seeds you have for later.

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What's wrong with my lemons?

>>977720
Too much water. The soil has too much organic matter in it and needs some sand to help drainage.

The key clue is all that algae/moss in the center pot. Make new soil with about 1 part sand to 3 parts soil then repot.

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First radish of spring.

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Radish
Parsley
Avocado

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Lemon x 2

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This lemon needs to be repotted. Amazed at the growth compared to the other two. Avocado next to it.

What would happen if I pinched the top off some young tree seedlings? Will they just get bushier like other plants?

>>977799
What kind and how small? They should have a few sets of leafs before trimming anything.

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>>976297
...and we're done! Even planted a few tomatoes already way too early (normally in 3-4 weeks) but I had to thin my indoor starts anyway, so if those outside die then I'll still have plenty of backup, if they survive I'll have some extra plants to share with family/friends

>>977777
>>977773
tfw i killed my avocado because it was going to take 8 - 15 yrs to fruit + it may never fruit ...not to mention all the water it drinks

>>975754

What medium are you going to use?

>>977731

>this

>>977834
>>>/b/ 420chan.org

>>976866

I don't know what your growing season is like, but unless you are growing some of the super hots or others that take a long time to mature, it's hardly late. The farmers in my state who grow the stuff probably planted a week or two ago. I've planted in May and still got a harvest, though not as good as planting about now.

>>977249
Yes, but I get multiple cultivars and let them promiscuously cross pollinate. This doesn't work with many inbreeders (beans, many tomato cultivars,) but it works great with things like corn and peppers. You have to be careful with bush type squashes, because the bushing trait is recessive - something I found out the hard way.

>>976124
It's really best if you use plants to improve your water infiltration. A lot of no-till farmers will use cereal rye or a cereal rye/hairy vetch winter cover crop to help improve their soil tilth. You can also use sunflowers and things like daikon radishes if you have a hardpan layer. I like to think of many plants as tools to rectify something wrong with my soil, support other plants, etc... If they're edible to boot, then that is even better. IMO, you should have a living root in the soil at all or almost all times. If you pick the right support plants/cover crops/perennials/etc... you can use them to manage your soil fertility, suppress weeds, help with water infiltration, make your garden look great, etc...

>>977928
>I don't know what your growing season is like, but unless you are growing some of the super hots or others that take a long time to mature, it's hardly late. The farmers in my state who grow the stuff probably planted a week or two ago. I've planted in May and still got a harvest, though not as good as planting about now.
Cheers. There's 2 superhots in my order, for 2 crazy friends that don't know what they're getting themselves into, but all 'mine' are decorative and relatively small types.
Are there any tricks to keep (pepper) plants small and bushy? I don't have too much room, and intend to try n make em into bonsai.
I probably just worry too much, even though I know I'm relatively well prepared.
10something years ago I just dumped a habanero seed in some garden soil, put it in my moms' veranda, and managed to get a few fruits off it.
Now I have a heatmat, a tomato green'house' tent thingy, proper info, and I just ordered 2 33W PL lights in 865 color which I read is most optimal for peppers. Was gonna fuck around with tl's but then I found these which fit in a regular socket.
Funny how excited I am over this, I've never managed to properly grow a plant, except for some venus flytraps.

>>977834
you wont harvest enough from a few poppies, even if you somehow got the genetically modified morphine ones or whatever.

you need like 20+ if you want to extract even a tiny bit of morphine

there have my pointless opium research i dont do opiates anymore. also it's all online

>>977981
yeah, but you could make a tea or something that would have opiod effect right? like you wouldn't get blasted, but you'd feel it thoug?

>>977962
I've never tried to keep them small and bushy, but you can prune them. I have two rather sickly looking ones that I dug up last fall and brought inside to overwinter. (Yes, they're perennials in the tropics, despite being called c. annum.) I pruned them and they started putting out new shoots. I'm going to prune them again when I put them back in the ground.

I have two Bolivian rainbow pepper plants that remained small, mainly because they were in partial shade AND in small (for peppers) pots. I'm sure they're rootbound like a motherfucker.

>>977990
How/when should I prune? My plant/garden experience is close to zero ._.
Bolivian Rainbow is one of the species I ordered, I have high hopes for it.

>>977997
You just start cutting it back when it is getting too big for your space. You generally want to prune it right at a branch, though if you're trying to do some Bonsai stuff that may not apply.

Also, look at some of the newer NuMex peppers like the Twilight if you want some colors. If it was bred to do well in New Mexico, it's a tough hombre of a plant.

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>>977999

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>>975056
Update (holy crap these have grown a lot in four days)--first row still looks potato-y? They just all look totally different to me.

Also--is it about time to thin the radishes?

>>978010
>time to thin the radishes?

Yes.

Everything on the left row looks like a potato now. Differences in leaf shape are probably due to slightly different nutrient ratios or pH levels, if they are all the same cultivar.

>>978023
Thank you for the reassurance! Doesn't look like disease or anything changing leaf shape? I'm guessing I've got the best nutrients/pH in the center of the bed then.

Now I gotta find a good radish sprout recipe so I don't feel as bad murdering so many.

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First transplants done. Jalapeno(left), reaper(center), cayenne(right). Hopefully no more cold snaps.

>>978026
>Doesn't look like disease or anything changing leaf shape?

Only if the leaves start to curl up badly.

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>>978027
I also transplanted my first peppers yesterday, way too early probably (growing at 50°N) but just like with the tomatoes, the indoor ones desperately needed thinning.
So survival would be nice but it's not too bad if it fails as I have plenty of backup

>>978044
>50N

Yeah, probably too early. I just put mine out in the shade to harden them yesterday, and I'm at 35N. I still have the option of bringing mine inside if a frost is forecast, but they were going to start getting too leggy if I didn't get them outside.

>>978044
im around like 37N so should be fine.

>>978060
If not, have some cold frames ready. Same for >>978044

>>978064
>>978060
>>978044
>>978056
It is best that night temps are 50-55F/10-12C for peppers.

>>978073
The peppers that I'm growing are derived from local cultivars, and actually do well with cooler cold snaps. I only have to worry about frost. We get large day to night temperature swings, and they were originally bred under those conditions. If the weather man says 35f or 36f or below, I'll get out and put a cold frame up.

If I were to plant Marigold as a pest-deterrent, would it necessarily have to be IN the raised bed with the other plants? Could I just have a few pots nearby?

>>978126
Better to have it as close as you can to form a barrier around them. They act as a trap plant and deterrent though I can't personally attest to the latter.

>>978095
>>978161
What else could you do? I'm tossing up between planting marigolds or just making a spray with chili/garlic and some other shit I heard of.

>>978234
depends on what kind of pests you're dealing with

tomorrow I'm buying some cabbage dust because caterpillars are fucking my shit up senpai

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who cucumber?

>tomato blight

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who 2 chan?

>>978295
tried last year but failed, thought it would be as easy as zucchinis, it's not. And those things climb wtf

>>977830
Yes, THEY DRINK ALOT OF WATER

>>978295
Made pickles for the first time last year. I am planting so many cukes this year it's not even funny.

>>978271
Ants are what I'm dealing with. I picked up some diatomaceous earth which hopefully will help.

>>978056
>>978060
Well it's a mostly oceanic climate here, there's a very good chance there'll be no more frosts (last ones so far were late February this year) so I hope for the best.
The leftover indoor ones are under LED grow light 24/7, just were a bit cramped, now they should have more room again

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>>978331
It helps until the first rain. Ants are not a problem unless they are farming aphids. Some ants pollinate the flowers too.

>>978295
Soon.

>>978299
More light!

>>978271
You need to build an enclosure for brassica plants and cover it with screen. It needs to be large enough that the plant leaves do not ever touch the screen. That's the only true way to keep the moths away.

>>978335
They're more than likely carpenter ants I'd think, since I've got carpenter ants everywhere else around my house in bulk.

>>978336
They hunt insects and eat honeydew. The former is great for the garden, but the latter indicates you need to do something about aphids or scales on your plants. They make homes in wood, so look for wood and remove it, to remove their nest.

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Which option should I choose for getting my soil tested? I'm on a quarter acre, just using it for small gardening. Is the Micronutrients part fairly important?

>>978338
Haha, removing wood would be a bit difficult, since they're in raised wooden beds... I think I screwed up by laying some old logs near the beds for a couple of months and that's what had the ants in them.

>>978342
It's pretty rare for micronutrients to cause any problems unless the soil's been heavily cropped for years. I'd suggest the routine check--it'll give you most important information you need before you start growing. pH and available nitrogen are probably the first things I'd look at anyway I'd suggest a mason jar soil test as well, helps to know how heavy your soil is.
Problem with carpenter ants is I don't think they're social like house ants, so the old borax and corn syrup trick might not work

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>>978342
The first one is all you really need, but for some extra money you can just buy a 4-way soil tester probe.

Carpenter ants shouldn't be much of a problem, they only do a little bit of aphid farming. It is pavement ants that do most of the aphid farming. Acrobat ants also live in wood and also farm aphids.

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What are the strangest plants you've ever grown, attempted to or still growing?

I'm currently growing a desert rose (Adenium) and loving its enormous caudex which never stops sucking up water. It's very easy to take care of and always looks like a bonsai tree.

I just planted some seeds for pic related which only gets two leaves in its whole life, and those leaves just keep growing forever. Apparently the germination rate is pretty high.

>>978234
Some of the benefits that marigolds are supposed to confer are soil bound for soil pests. I believe that there has been some actual research with them showing that they have an adverse effect on harmful (and some good) soil organisms. The problem with a lot of the claims about plants being deterrents to whatever bugs/pests is that a lot of those claims have not been tested in an objective manner. The problem with ignoring those claims is that many of them are going to be true, or the plants are going to provide some other benefit that somebody a few centuries ago either noticed or misattributed to a different benefit. But, like a lot of other things, many of the claims will be false.

>>978332
They should be fine. One thing that you can do when you plant them is to plant them a lot deeper than they are planted right now. Many members of the Solanaceae family (peppers, tomatoes, etc...) will send roots out from their stems if their stems get partially buried. That is one method of dealing with legginess.

Another thing, the weatherman was predicting 40f as a low this morning. It got down to 35.5f. The plants are still fine, but now you know why I'll go out and set up a cold frame if the weatherman says 35f or 36f.

>>978368
The only thing I can confirm 1st hand is that marigolds are great for slug traps.

>>978365
I love adeniums, flowers are so pretty.

I had one for 10 years though and it died from a bit too cold weather that snuck up :(

>>978384
Like I say, marigolds are one of the ones where, IIRC, some actual scientific research was done, and they did provide a lot of the claimed benefits. It's the same way with a lot of the old herbal remedies. Many are bunk, many probably treated some condition that they don't claim to treat these days, and many are actual remedies. How many plants made it into gardens centuries ago because they provided a benefit, and the claims of what benefit it provided changed, kind of like the old "telephone" game that we played in elementary school? Many plants are going to have simple benefits, like attracting pollinators, and I guarantee that some of those simple benefits have been blown up into "this fucking plant attracts a slug eating mini-Godzilla!" over the centuries.

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What would you guys say is wring with this plant?

>>978408

*wrong

>>978408
Avocado yeah? I have some at home too, mine look the same

>>978411

yup. any ideas?

>>978408

did...did you just scan a leaf?

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any of you guys doing this? Trying to get those solitary bees to stay

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ok so i underestimated the root growth pretty badly i guess

>>978408
>>978411
>>978412
This problem is more than likely root burn caused by mineral salts building up every time you water the plant.

You need more drainage in your pots and when you water you need to make sure the water is pouring out the bottom. Flooding like this will help dissolve and wash out built up mineral salts.

Also, if it is that bad already, I suggest repotting it and replacing about 1/3 of the soil when you do that.

>>978414
I need to be doing that, but I want to do it the easy way and use things that already have holes in them. Like growing bamboo, then cutting and bundling it up. I have a bunch of pallets and want to build a few insect hotels. Right now is the time to do it too. All the wasps are coming out of hibernation and looking for homes. They are great predators for the garden.

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>>978439
kek Is that hydro?

I'm going to have roots coming out of holes soon too.

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Growing kumquats now. I wasn't expecting them to sprout. Should I move them now before their roots get tangled?

>>978466
>Should I move them now before their roots get tangled?

Yes, try to do it in clumps of dirt so there's less disturbance. Seedling roots grow pretty fast.

Transplanted some plants last night and they're a bit wilted. Is this normal? First time transplanting from cups to large buckets. Plenty of water as well.

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>>978374
Yeah, I'm always sinking my tomatoes quite low when repotting and planting, also did it a bit with the peppers. Checked on them today, and they got quite a bit of sun scald here and there, but new foliage is already shooting from the sides
Nights can still become quite cool, but last year they were exposed to similar temps in spring without problem (only died when the first longer frosts came mid-November), so as long as it stays above freezing all should be fine

>>978478
No, actually that isn't normal, but people claim it is normal. When you transplant, the soil should already have the right amount of moisture and you should wait a couple days before adding new water (unless they are wee tiny pots obviously). They should be kept in the shade the first day and partial shade the next couple days (depending on plant type). Wilting is a sign of root damage, in this case, or perhaps the plants were moved to a hotter location (above 80F) or in the sun. Also, hold off fertilizing for at least couple weeks after transplanting if you need to.

A good transplanting is one where the plants don't suffer any wilting. The best time to do it, is in the late evening during last light (for outside stuff.)

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>>978413
Not him, but there's better than shitty phonecams

>>978485
theyve been under pretty strong light indoors and it's overcast today so i dont think the sun is giving them problems. temperature is a bit cooler, and i tried my best to minimize root damage.

>>978497
Then it probably is a little shocked from the light. Strong indoor lights still don't come close to a cloudy day. Move it somewhere that doesn't get too much direct light for a few days.

>>978444
Wouldve been better if it was desu, this is "normal" growing, but i picked the smallest starter trays for corn for some reason

>>978536
>starter trays for corn

Wait what? Are those going in the ground later? Are they some special Peruvian cultivar with long growing season?

>>978536
Corn is generally best started by direct sowing. It has an extensive root system, and once it starts growing, it grows fast. My corn will grow up to 12 feet in about 3 months. There is at least as much biomass below the ground as there is above.

>>978551
Im not really an advanced gardener by any means - yes they are going into the ground, and this is just some Golden Bantam.

>>978586
i did not know this, ive only grown corn once before - last season. they are going outside within 3 weeks to a month, is giving them large pots the best i can do until then?

>>978498
moved them up against the house for a bit more shade. hopefully that solves everything.

>>978600
>is giving them large pots the best i can do until then?

Yes. Corn can also survive a LIGHT frost. I planted in blocks once to see how early I could start my corn, and did a block every few days. I went from March 30 to around the beginning of may. The earliest stuff did get hit by a light frost, ~29f or 30f, and survived. It was stunted though. Everything planted after the middle of April did do way better. FYI, my average last frost is around the middle of April, though it is not unheard of for me to have a couple of 80f days in March. Hopefully that gives you an idea of how soon you can put them out. I would recommend a week or two after your average last frost.

>>978600
You need to transfer it to a 5-gallon bucket until the temps outside are fine for corn. Golden Bantam is small enough to have on a balcony or porch in a container. Probably like 4-5 plants per 5-gallon bucket. If you have a burlap/canvas bag or similar you can plant them in that which would make it easier to transplant into the ground later. You just need about 5 gallons of soil for them. You may need to stake them to make it easier to move around later.

Also, corn is light sensitive and takes its cue to bloom and fruit when days are starting to get shorter (for most varieties) thus, who knows what will happen with indoor corn. It make decide to bloom at 3 feet and never reach 5 feet tall.

>>978627
>>978600
I forgot to mention. Since you are new to corn, they need several plants close together in order to pollinate properly. They are normally wind pollinated or insects will knock pollen off the top and it will fall to the ears below. A lot of times the tops will start long before the ears develop silks. The silks are what need to be pollinated.

>>978600
I should also add that with sweet corn, you are picking it before it reaches full maturity, thus significantly shortening the amount of growing time you need. Unless you are saving seed, that is, but in that case, you need enough room for 200 plants and you need to save seed from at least 100 of them.

>>978635
You don't need that many plants for saving seed unless you really want to have a lot of corn. I somehow don't think >>978439 is planting a lot of corn.

I started with one small packet of Painted Mountain and now have a lot of the stuff by saving every year and building up a supply. I don't plant or need very much though.

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Has anyone had luck with root vegetables in an aquaponic system? Currently trying beets and carrots.

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>>978699

Fuck. I always do that.

>>978650
You were saved because Painted Mountain is already a genetically diverse cultivar. You can fudge the number of plants that you need by incorporating seed from the year before, seed from the year before that, etc... and by hand pollinating to ensure outbreeding, but corn is highly susceptible to inbreeding depression. Save seed from a small number of plants, and you will end up with some retardo shit after a number of generations.

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5 more transplants down. Serrano, dragon cayenne, 3 thai birds eye

>>978710
Yeah, it is the most diverse I can think of off hand. There's something like 70 varieties in it.

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Christ, /out/ has been around longer than I remembered it being around. Just found this in my oldest remaining archives.

>>978759

I've got no idea how long I've been on 4chan. Was it 5 years? 15?

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>>978759
>tfw homebrewmen and homegrowmen started nearly 10 years ago on /ck/
>tfw still got art for it that's nearly 8 years old

>>978766
I've been on 4chan since Jan 2004.

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I have this left over after plugging my mushroom logs. Can I use this left over mycelium to grow in a substrate? Can I mix it in with some sawdust and grain or do I have to do the whole pftek thing?

>>978834
Yeah, you can make tons of kits from that. Do some googling on how to make kits. Keep it in the fridge and only use a little bit for making a kit. That way you can have backups in case of mold attacks.

>>978715
Looks good. Are there drain holes in those buckets or gravel at the bottom?

>>978853
yeah there's like 10 holes drilled in the bottom. hopefully that's enough drainage

>>977833

Probably just cheap river rock if I can't find hydroton for cheap

>>978876

I was worried about weight when I built mine, so I used perlite. I highly recommend it. The only problem is filtering it out and keeping it separate from the fish tub. What kind of fish?

>>978883

Just goldfish, I'd enjoy a pond and don't like eating fish so...

I haven't built an automatic siphon yet, might do an outside arm like a soxhlet extractor.

How coarse is your pearlite? Stuff I can easily buy here is about the size of rock salt. I thought you'd need cornflake sized or bigger. Any issues with the wind kicking it up?

>>978885

It's not coarse at all. I use a pump. It's always damp, so it's too heavy for the wind.

>>978887

Take some pics, I'm interested. Is it just a constant flood system?

>>978889

Yeah. It's nighttime in Florida. I'll post some old ones real quick.

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>>978889

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>>978894

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Anyone vermiculture here? I'm big on that

Trying a square foot garden this year... Been container gardening for a few years

>>978894
>>978896

As always, I manage to fuck it up.

>>978897

Is this bugguy's new trip?

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So i've planted some herbs inside and i'm going to buy some Jalepenos to put in as well so i have a few question. I noticed some slugs in there and sprayed them with chili water, are slugs bad for plants and what else should i keep and eye out for indoors (in kangarooland). A few of them were rescues from the outside garden that I trimmed back and fertilised.

For outdoor garden, our soil usually becomes over run really quickly with weeds, should i put grass clippings/hay/saw dust down or what should I do? Me and a housemate tend to it and it a bit demoralising to come back to an over grown garden if we leave it for a week or two.

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>>978894
>>978896

Neat.

How many fish per gallon?
Problems with racoons or birds eating them?

Is your pump on a timer? How many gph?

Any issues with plant support? I'd imagine a heavy tomato plat would just tip over out of the relatively light pearlite.
Does the pearlite get gross looking after a while? It's so white, any solids, mold, iron deposits, etc would be pretty apparent.
>>978897
>>978901

Pic related

>>978906
For most boards I'm with you but on slow, low pop boards where they generally contribute and don't shit up the threads, tripfags are fine.

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>>978901
Nope I'm a tripfag from the Fishing & Tackle Thread - Just realized there's a garden thread here and I have been gardening for years. Started a big garden this weekend - 2 days working 8 hours straight.

Also I compost and condition soil with worms - pic related

>>978912
I've considered doing this, just chuck them in a container that can't escape from with dirt and then throw your food in?

>>978906

It's fucking nasty right now, breh. You'll see tomorrow. Aquaculture is really only advisable for non-fruiting plants. I was just experimenting with the tomatoes, and once they got too heavy, I transplanted them into dirt. No timer, 396 gph. Maybe too much. If I had to estimate, I'd say a gallon every 2-3 minutes. I have a net on now for animals, but I've never lost a fish.

You Australian?

>>978912

>thinks 8 hours is a long day

Kind of a shitty farmer, huh?

>>978917
Kansas. See >>975543

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>>978913
Essentially yes but it's slightly more complicated than that. You skip the dirt - they want to live in a carbon based bedding. I like to mix shredded newspaper, cardboard scraps, and leaves from fall. Moisture level is kinda important, bedding should be just moist enough to squeeze about a single drop of water out of a handful. From there you can just start feeding vegetable and fruit waste (dairy and meat are not imposible but smell horrible and attract rodents).

When you first start out you'll probably buy a pound of worms or 1000 worms. I'd recommend buying by weight because 1000 teeny tiny worms will not be very useful at first. You can get them shipped to you pretty reliably as long as it isn't super hot - do it in spring if you are thinking about it or buy locally. They will eat between 0.5-1x their bodyweight in food a week and will double population every couple months.

Their castings are not excessively nutrient rich as per compost however they contain an extreme diversity of soil flora (fungi, bacteria, etc) and micronutrients as well as some N/P/K which varies by what you put into it

>>978906
If you feel that way you don't have to talk to me

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>>978917
I'm not a farmer this is a backyard garden and I'm not LARPing I am just growing produce

pic unrelated

>>978924

#jealous

>>978930

Chill, dude. I come from a family of farmers. I work construction, then come home and build shit. I just think it's funny when white collar guys brag about working 16 hours a week.

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>>978934
You can call it bragging but I was just talking about the scope of the garden this year

pic from last year

>>978928
Neato thanks man, would they eat grass clippings, be worth looking into since we also fish a fair bit as well.

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>>978951
They will but it's better to age the clippings and use them as a bedding source rather than give them as feed

Also keep in mind that it wont eradicate the seeds like hot composting will

For fishing you should have a separate bin that you fill by pulling a couple at a time from the main bin. If they are at a high population density they'll never grow bait sized

>>978960
Thanks again anon, you (and everyone here) should join the out discord and get a growing channel going.

Successfully overwinteted a serrano and habenero plant and put it them out last week for a few days when the nights were warm but a freak unexpected hailstorm came in the middle of the night. The jalapeno survived but the habeneros laces got tattered and now the stem is turning brown. Guessing it's too late to start another habenero plant here in Georgia.

>>978976
>>978976
>>978027
left one there is an overwintered jalapeno that got a late start last year.

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>>978960
Here is the channel I was referring to by the way. >>978979

>>978440

>Flooding like this will help dissolve and wash out built up mineral salts.

Like what?

Broccoli soon. Tomatoes in may, if things go well.

What should I beware in having built my raised bed out of logs? I know they're going to rot in just a couple of years, but they were the only wood I could afford

>>979016
When they rot they tie up nitrogen. Dunno how much it would matter in your situation but its a factor in hugelkulture gardening

>>979018
I'll keep that in mind if more trees on my property need to be chopped down for being tall bastards threatening to topple on my house.

>>978626
>>978627
>>978628
>>978635
Alright thanks for the info, ill transplant them as quickly as possible.

My lettuce seedling keep wilting.
I have them on my window sill and the window is always open but every day a new leaf is limp and then shortly after dies.

What is causing this?

How important is hardening off?

Im feeling lazy and im thinking about just sticking my tomato plants and shallot sets that i started indoors straight in the ground.

Will they be kill?

>>979069
they won't die usually but they will get stunted from the shock and probably stop growing for a couple of weeks if it's very cold outside at nights.

>>978905
FYI, slugs can't feel the spiciness of chili peppers. Only mammals can feel that. Not even birds feel it. Use beer traps for slugs.

>>978934
I'm a farmer. I barely need work at all on the farm. The most constant thing is animal feeding and letting chickens in/out in evening/morning. If I work 4 hours in a single day for 3 days out of a week it must be planting or harvesting season. The trick is to actually know what you are doing in order to reduce workload by 100 times or more. Of course it may be easier if you are a subsistence farmer and are eating what you grow/raise instead of a midrange farmer who isn't quite into mega industrial monocrops. It seems most midrange farmers are the ones who somehow bork things yup quite fine and need to work 16-18 hour days. I think it is because they are trying to pay a mortgage with their farming (aka a slave.)

>>978976
Leave it, it may send up another shoot from the base.

>>978967
>>978984
Go away.

>>978992
Like anything that is in your water or fertilizer:
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/treat-root-burn-82720.html

>>979016
>>979020
If you do that again, with new logs from local trees, check out inoculating them with some pearl oyster or shiitake. As they rot, you'll get mushrooms to eat. I did that with my blackberry patches using shiitake.

>>979068
Is the soil too wet or not wet enough?

>>979069
>How important is hardening off?

Very important. However, weather plays a massive role. If it is overcast for the next week then hardening them off from the sun won't be a problem. If it is warm at night then hardening them off from the cold won't be a problem. However, it only takes a few hours of full sun or one chilly night to ruin things. Sun scaled is the fastest problem and happens even when it is cold out. Use a shade cloth/screen to help prevent that for a few days. Set water bottles all around the plants to help prevent cold problems.

>>979160

My cousin's father in law us an internationally renouned dairy farmer, and easily in the top five largest producers in the NE US. He grows his own grain crops, and is always buying land around his farm. My uncle runs a 300 acre apple orchard, on top of 3 dairy cows, a few goats, and 30+ chickens, and has a day job as an electrical engineer. These guys work nonstop.

I was thinking of growing yellow pear tomatoes in a small space, like 3x3.
Any special ways I should specifically make the raised bed? I haven't made any before and my yard is slowly getting taken over by bamboo

>>979212
Put plant into soil.
Water soil.
Protect from rain.

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>>979205
Well, of course. They are farming for other people, not just themselves. The cousin's father-in-law isn't monocrop & is constantly expanding. The uncle has a day job. That is exactly what I was talking about. The former keeps increasing his workload while the former has plenty of time for a day job.

Stable farms, that are not increasing in size or increasing workload all the time are almost always monocrop or self-sustaining. Both of those types, when properly maintained have a very low work load due to methods and machinery.

>>979212
Use the bamboo as garden stakes for the yellow pear tomatoes. You can also use it to make the raised bed. Depending on the species you can also eat the new tender shoots of the bamboo. As far as the raised bed design, make it only as wide as you can reach into it halfway. The height will depend on what you plant and how much soil you'll be putting into it. If the style can be made taller later on then that is even better. If you want to sit on the bed walls then you'll need wide stone, bricks, and/or cinder blocks. soil migration out of the bed can be a problem if there are holes int eh wall. Either line the inside with flat rocks or thick black plastic.

>>979241
>while the latter has

fed

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Just installed my first raised bed, added 120 litres of soil but I'm not sure if it's enough. I soaked it with water to fill all corners. I guess now I'll have to wait a couple of days for it to dry.

It's quite windy here so maybe nog rilling it all the wat is good?

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>>979265
Very nice! Are there drainage holes? You can actually have so much soil in it that you mound it up in the middle slightly, while keeping it below the rim of the edges by at least 1 inch to prevent run-off losses. Over the season it will compact a bit and reduce in size. The extra soil will go a long way with the plants. What are you planting in it?

You may want to put in 2 more screws into the ends of those boards(pre-drilled) to help prevent cupping. Like in this image, in the center of the post they are attached to. Moisture from the inside and the drying sun/wind causes them to cup normally. It sometimes happens quickly and sometimes takes many years.

>>979241
unfortunately the bamboo is about as thick as my index finger, I'm not sure of the exact species though

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>>979305
Thanks for the reply! There is a lot of drainage because the bottom is basically just a bunch of vertical pieces of wood with inch-wide gaps between them. The soil is kept in with a black cloth. I guess I'll add another 20 litres of soil and that should be fine.

I actually completely agree with adding more screws because a single screw for each board is a bit shabby.

I'm planting: zuchini, beans, french beans, lettuce and kauliflower. Added a picture of one of my two trays of samplings. These pictures are a couple of days old so everything is a bit bigger now.

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This is the second tray.

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Lads, is this rhododendron done for? Didn't take it inside in the winter and I'm pretty sure it's fucked.

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>>979308
That's a nice size for wattle fence/Teppo-gaki fence. One anon in the far past Homegrowmen threads was using willow branches I think to make a wattle wall for some low raised beds. It may have been another type of tree though.

>googled pic of wattle fence for a raised bed

>>979313
That's even better for drainage. I've always had a problem with how to do drainage on those. I'd want to keep tools under it and not get them wet. I've though about a short shelf right under the drainage area that has a big tray which catches and diverts the water to a large diameter tube over to one corner. You may end up replacing the black cloth semi-often depending on how durable it is. I seem to only have low-durability landscaping clothing in this area.

>zuchini

Am I to assume this will get its own bed? They normally get huge! The vine plants would be in the back on poles and would work with the zucchini, but the lettuce and cauliflower may be over crowded. How many more raised patio beds are you making/installing? ("As many as I can fit on my property," is the only correct answer of course!)

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hopefully this will work
crows stopped fucking around with my shallots so things are going well
potatoes are barely sprouting now

>>979317
Some of that is physical damage. The rest may be from getting cold, having too much water and developing a root fungus, or root burn from improper drainage and flush through. If you just sat it outside into still-cold weather that may be the problem. Those can become root bound easily so you may only need to repot it in a large pot or in the ground.

>>979325
>dat lonely onion

I have a lonely onion too. 1 tiny leaf in the entire bed so far. You could probably stuff deadfall tree limbs/sticks in between those logs to fill up the holes.

>>979327
yea I have a few elder sticks I'm gonna use

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NEW THREAD: >>979331
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>>979323
Damn I love that bed. I wish I had grass to build that on. Beautiful and so practical.

Yeah, it's great for drainage but you're also right.. anything under it will get wet from time to time. In my case only some tools and seed trays so that's fine. I could install a sloped metal plate under the bed but that's just not worth it.

I fear you are right, the black cloth felt bad like it was very bad quality.

I am planning on giving the zuchini the whole left side of the bed, hopefully that will do. Forgive me for asking, but with "fine plans" you mean beans right? I'm not sure about the letuce and cauliflower, they are growing very slow and I like permanent plants instead of seasonal crops.

This is the only bed I currently have but if necesarry I will add another one. Probably not this season tho. I could fit a lot more but I have the habit of switching between hobbies a lot so I don't want to spend too much money right away.

>>979326
Thanks for the reply. Would replanting it into a bigger pot and cutting off the dead parts save it? Right now summer is beginning in Holland so the climate is a lot easier right now. It should be fine as it was fine last year while it was colder.

>>979323
I was just thinking. My bed is really thick. Like two feet or even a bit more. Chances are it will never leak all the way through because of the sheer amount of soil.

>>979335
>>979337
>>979338
see
>>979344

>>979323

>wattle fence raised bed

I'm in love

>>979323
any guides on how I could do this without fucking it up?

>>979325
Wait what do the logs do? Spook them or am i missing something.