Stoves vs. fire cooking

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Stove cooking for me because it's an instant controlled heat source with no smoke and very little area prep to begin cooking.

From a primal "call to your inner caveman" standpoint.. nothing beats cooking over a good camp fire.

I camp frequently in times/areas where fires are prohibited. Also, after a long, active day I normally want to just stuff my face and fall asleep, rather than taking the time to deal with a fire.

>>955402
I'd say stoves are best if you're cooking backcountry-type meals. Theres some stuff you just can't really cook very easily on a stove like in your pic, but I agree with what >>955414 says about it being quick, easy, and controlled.
Fires are more for aesthetics and comfort for me.

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I always bring a stove, but usually always have a fire as well. Need something to stand around drinking from my fish flask.

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>>955402
Depends on what i'm doing. Car camp. bike packing, backpacing im gonna take my stove.

I like learning about wilderness survival stuff so I like to practice some of those techniques. Mostly from the SAS guide, I dont follow any autistic bushwacking crap.

It makes me feel better about being out inna woods if I know some survival stuff and have practiced it.

>>955402
Cooking? Stove wins everytime.
No exceptions.

when you finish a 8 hour hike in the rain and you get to a windswept site still waterlogged and you desperately need to eat before nightfall comes, what do you think sounds best?

>>955402
There's nothing like drinking beers and sharing stories around the whisperlite.

Seriously though, it's situational. If I need to quickly boil water, I'm using a stove, if I'm relaxing at the end of the evening, I want a fire. And if I've already got a fire, I'd rather cook over that than waste fuel.

>>955402
Stoves are much more reliable and versatile
There are so many places /out/ where a fire is impossible, like high elevations and deserts

Having a fire is for pyros, romantics, and those who hate the environment

>>955402
/out/ing in texas is very prohibitive to those inclined to create fires. Stoves avoid this hiccup in the comfiness

>>955571
>Don't burn wood goy, burn fossil fuels in this metal container on a $75 cookset. Help save the planet

>>955592
Exactly my thoughts

I always bring a stove with me no matter what kind of camping, but I love a nice fire. The stove is a backup plan.
No way to start a fire? Still got a way to cook.

I don't even own a stove because I'm a lightweight faggot but I admit that they're nice to have if you can fit a fuel bottle and stove. Having lunch at the side of the trail on a long hike is comfy

>>955402
Love fire cooking, but not always possible in my area because Eurocuck

>>955451
A fire if you can get it going. More warmth, aesthetics and morale.

>>955449
>>955599
close to how i feel but ill at it really depends on what im cooking... for me the stove is pretty much exclusively for anything that requires boiling water .
but if its fresh food (meat, veggies, fish) whatever im making that shit on a fire. and even if i'm cooking on the stove i'm still making a fire for warmth, light, and something to look at it when it gets dark.

plus the stove is fucking convenient when its wet and you are making more smoke than fire.

>>955595
Collecting and burning wood is bad for the local ecosystem
>>955592
>goy
>>>/pol/

>>955690
>Using words is wrong and your use of words is not allowed here

>>955665
the whole place is waterlogged, probably covered in light misty rain and for all you know will become active in an hour or so. A fire? Pft

>>955690
Using nonrenewable resources as fuel to cook with is also bad for the ecosystem.

What is a good stove to have?

>>955799
https://www.amazon.com/Trangia-327508-TRANGIA-28-T-Mini/dp/B000LN7HUC

>>955402
>charcoal master race reporting in

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>>955799
pic related at REI for $20, I've had it over a year and it does the job in my book. Doesn't fold up/collapse like some others do to save space, but it's not that bulky anyways.

Story time:
Made the mistake of entrusting the gf to pack some things, one thing being a two burner coleman stove. We arrive after a day of driving and to our surprise the metal tube/stem that screws on to the propane canister did not get packed with the stove. She said she shook the box and it sounded like it was inside when we were home. Needless to say, I was pretty upset. Fortunately our friend had packed a pocket stove. Bought one when I got back to town.

JetBoil is love, Jetboil is life.

>>955787
>alcohol
>non-renewable
Choose one
And using a little fuel is way different than destroying an area by burning all the downed wood
Maybe when you get older, you'll learn to think in a less binary way

>>955690
Too many people collecting too much wood and burning it is bad for the local ecosystem. The places I go camping, it's not an issue. In fact, decades of not letting any forest fires burn whatsoever has left many of the areas that I go to so overgrown that clearing a lot of that crap out helps to prevent nasty 100,000+ acre crowning fires during dry summers.

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>>955402
I have pic related.

Burns isobutane, propane, gasoline, Coleman fuel (white gas), or kerosene. Works very well, and I like the flexibility.

>>955950
I've only used this stove and its not bad at all

>>955810
>>955860
What about wood burning stoves? I feel like they're more compact since you can just pick up your fuel source in the surrounding area. Are there some disadvantages to them?

>>956074
Do you spend every night in areas with ample wood?

I don't.

>>955950
Me too, it's great backpacking and on road trips to stop and make some soup or tea.

>>956077
The areas I'm in normally have wood, so ya.

>>955690
>i car camp
>>>/lgbt/ is that way faggot

MSR whisperlite

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>>955402
I say both. Fire cooking for bbq'ing during the evening while sitting around the fire and portable stove for breakfast next morning. Then head back to the river/pond/etc.. , rinse and repeat

>>955883
agreed

>>955402
Both. Fies are primal and my first choice, but stoves are good when you can't have a fire due to fire bans, rain, being above the treeline, or just plain laziness.

Anyone use solid fuel? I used to use hexamine fuel blocks. They light pretty easily and are more compact than gas cannisters to carry.

>>955426
>>955414
>>955423


Bingo. The rest of this thread is tl;dr after these three posts. (sorry those guys)

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Stoves won't work in cold weather (+5 and below imho). Even if you warm it up by keeping close to body, it will still quickly get cold due to elements & decompression. You will loose preasure on the exit, flame will became tiny or die out, and you won't cook shit.
Source: me, using stove powered by 400ml bottles countless times.
So, unless those smaller cointainers somehow work better...
The only aplication is what other anon said - where it's illegal to make fire.
But even them, you can just use esbit.

>>956266
Butane/propane canister stoves don't work well at cold temps, but liquid fuel stoves where you manually pressurize the tank work a lot better.

The aforementioned whisperlite is pretty much the daddy of mountaineering stoves. The Coleman Sportster Dual Fuel is another great one in that "ak-47 engineering" kind of way. Not light or compact but rugged and reliable.

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>>956277
>Butane/propane canister stoves don't work well at cold temps, but liquid fuel stoves where you manually pressurize the tank work a lot better.
You mean something like that?
I have something like that after my father back from communist times, made in thr 70's. We didn't even know it's a copy of earlier western design, we thought it's soviet engeneering (heh, lying commie cunts). You light a little petrol under the burner to get it started with the preassure. It's compact & very cool, but still much much heavier than an esbit & box of solid fuel.
Plus, esbit & other stoves like that have one advantage - if you run out of fuel, you can use small sticks etc.

>>955950
Got one of these at Christmas, is the whole pre-heating the coil thing much hassle?

>>956266
>>956277
You can get remote feed isobutane stoves that allow you to invert the canister and solve that problem.

>>956277
Actually the svea123 is the "daddy" of mountaineering stoves if anything.

>>956285
It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. The next trick is getting the hang of simmering.

They're great stoves, though. They've been a top seller since the 70s

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>>956290
I'd call the Svea the grandaddy of liquid fuel stoves, and it is a sexy little thing in terms of aesthetics and deign. Optimus still produces them. I'd love to have one but I'm too much of a gear queer as it is.

>>956281
I always say Soviet Re-Engineering. Sort of like how a Lada is a Fiat 124 that they "improved" with glorious Sovietness.

As for tablet stoves, I recognize their simplicity and practicality but I just dislike the smell and residue they produce. Good for your emergency kit, though.

>>956289
True, I went on a snow camping/product demo trip when I was an /out/fitter and got to play around with a Jetboil Sol before they hit the shelves (the big one with the inverted canister) holy crap that thing is fast. If I were doing a group trip I'd definitely bring one of those along.

>>956299
This looks much lighter than the communist one.

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>>956299
..and smaller, and comes with a small kettle.
Noice.

>>956303
That's probably because it is.

See the previously mentioned Lada Niva, which was IIRC about 400kg heavier than the Fiat 124 it was based on.

>>956303
It was the first true "ultralight" minded mountaineering stove.

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I want to get one of these to keep in my car. I have a Primus Classic for backpacking, but in-between jobs I do a lot of long road trips and my trunk fills up with empty canister pretty fast.

>>956311
The only consistent complaint I've heard about the Svea is that it's so lightweight that it's quite easy to knock over accidentally.

I think that's where the whisperlite really took the lead, it's design is a lot more stable. Especially on the variety of uneven surfaces you might encounter when /out/

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>>956299
>Jetboil Sol
Crap, I meant the Jetboil Joule. That thing is a beast, a thermally efficient beast.

(Pic chosen because I used to work with that guy, his name is Ken. He's fucking hilarious)

>>955777
If you can't start a fire in wet conditions you need to spend more time /out/

If an area is so waterlogged that you can't start a fire why are you setting up camp there?

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>>956366
>If an area is so waterlogged that you can't start a fire why are you setting up camp there?
Yeah, I'll just hike a few miles back down to the treeline for some wood
Better yet, let's spend 2 days hiking back to the trailhead so we can get in the car and drive 100 miles to where it isn't wet just so we can have some faggy fire

>>956380
dude are you fucking serious? you know that water is made of hydrogen and oxygen? both equally flammable. if you cant extract the elements of water to start a fire using only a pocket knife and tarp you need to spend more time /out/

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>>956381
>oxygen
>flammable
Looks like someone failed high school chemistry.

Oxygen is an oxidizer that accelerates combustion, but it is not flammable on its own.

>>956384
Anon....

He was clearing being sarcastic...

>extract the elements of water using only a tarp and knife

>>956384
i didnt fail. i think i got a C. which is odd because 1/5th of my workload is examining GC-MS reports and ranting about a shitty chemist

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>>956308
>See the previously mentioned Lada Niva, which was IIRC about 400kg heavier than the Fiat 124 it was based on.
Oooooh, you know nooothing, John Snow, it's heavier because it's safeeeer and more reliaaable!

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>>956290
>>956299
Primus predates Svea by decades.

>>956402
Well I don't know about safer, but it was arguably more reliable than the Fiat*, but then it's not hard to be more reliable than Fiat.

*or at least easier to repair

>>956406
Yeah, but the Svea was the more popular stove. There were lots of rock bands before Zeppelin, but everybody remembers Zeppelin.

The Primus stove was a lot more stable than the Svea, though, and it was the pattern that the Soviets "borrowed" so it's not exactly a weak contender.

>>955777
>the whole place is shitty
>instead of finding a better spot to camp you sleep in a puddle in the cold

I don't want to camp with you...

>>955592
>not using alcohol stoves

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In central europe fire is rarely permitted or possibru. For cooking i prefer a atove, but for atmo i prefer fire, it takes longer to assemble, but is more fun.

>>956418
>only camps where it is easy
>doesn't understand that you do not always have a choice where you camp in the mountains because flat spaces are rare

I don't want to camp with you...

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>>956418
>>956454

I would camp with both of you, my angry dudes.

>>956380
>dry as far as the eye can see
>sets up camp in the one puddle for miles
>complains that they're wet
The worst people get /out/ of my /out/

>>956413
Primus was pretty popular in its day. Hillary even took one up Everest. If the Svea is Zeppelin then the Primus is Duke Ellington.

>>956436
>In central europe fire is rarely permitted or possibru.
Poland is as central Urop as it gets. Also, I doubdt it's forbidden in Czech, Slovakia...
P.S.
Unless it's drout season, naturally.

>>956454
>needs a flat spot to camp

You sound boring too.

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>>956290
Skatekey forever

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>>956290
>>956299
>>956304
>>956606
> i permit you to pleasure yourselves upon my cock

Skate key, cup, handle plus ORIGINAL instructions, circa 1968.

>>956662
New production has shaker jet cleaner. Fuck off.

>>955733
>being intentionally retarded
Hey /out/ whats the best place to innawoods and gas the Jews? No /pol/ bully pls.

>>955668
I'm with you. I'll boil water on my stove sometimes, but if i've got the fire going anyway, why not use it.

I own a etekcity stove, an msr pocket rocket (gen 1), a gsi outdoor stove, a katadyn optimum stove, and an alpkit stove. If enough people show interest, I will make a crude video showcasing them with weights, flame patterns, noise levels, adjustability, etc.

how long do these canisters last ?

>>958008
depends on the stove used and the amount you turn it on, also elevation plays a factor and so does wind, etc.

most stoves mfg. will give you an average boil time as well as amount of boils per X sized canister from lab tests (or made up bullshit) on their respective websites.

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This is a situation that allows both types to coexist.

>>958006
Count me in!

Well I just bring a flint, lots of hand sanitizer and solid fuel, it will burn regardless how fucking wet it is, and it looks like a legit fire if you put some leaves on it and you can tell plebs that come that you started this fire with all those wet fucking shit

>>956215
Yea solid fuel is fun too. It's easier to refuel because the units are smaller (tablets vs 1L canisters). So when the next city is 5 days away you can pick up 20 tabs or throw away your half can of gas left. But the food tastes shitty cos it's not very steady.

>>956545
righty then, i stand corrected. wanted to hike in poland for a long time.

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>>956498
Hillery Clinton never fucking climbed Everest!

Just more DNC LIES!

>>956666
>6666
Says Super Satan!

>>957902
>implying black people eat Chinese food whilst /out/

Thank you for the laff!

>>958006
pls

>>958006
off top, which one you go to first?

>>958311
i've looked into buying this sort of stove. i don't want to pack a gas stove, but i don't want to go empty-handed either. can you recommend one?

>>955592

>I've never gone backpacking, the post

I use a gas stove in the summer months (alpkit kraku), a liquid stove in the winter (coleman 550) and a solid fuel stove for day hikes.

Forget believing that one type of stove is the best for all occasions, look at what kind of use you plan on putting it through and decide then.

Remember that it takes a fair bit of energy and time to get a proper fire going, if your planning to just heat a meal up then i would forget about it. If your planning to cook properly, as in a dutch oven, bannock etc.. then a fire will be far better than a stove.

>>955441
NEAT

>>956074
I tend to use a hamemade wood stove/hobo stove/ and bring an alcohol burner that fits into it if no wood is available.
It's nice yo use when you have the time end energy to tend it, but you reallyhave to be feeding it constantly because it's such a small fire

Okay so once and for all
Which stove am I buying?
Should fit in a 50L bag pretty simple and used at most for 4 days.

>>960699
There's literally dozens of options.

Do some research, try some out at the store (a good outdoor store will have a testing area) and buy the one you like.

>>956074
I do the same thing as >>960691

I've got a twig stove but it can also burn alcohol if I'm somewhere without wood to burn.

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>>958006

I got the MSR pocket rocket 2 today now as well but haven't played with it yet.

My goto so far is my optimus crux folding stove. it's not the lightest but i like the stability and how it packs down to fit under the concave part of your canister fuel. Also that belt control wire is genius; more stove makers need to do this.

I will be ordering the BRS titanium stove that is 25 grams and is currently only $20.00 on amazon.

guess ill made a video of my stove autism after it arrives.

If you want an actual meal and focusing on eating,then a fire is better.

Can only cook one thing at a time with a stove; fire will not only cook countless things at once, but heat you up as well. And even wet clothes

Does anyon use etekcity stove?

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>what about this bueaty ?

>>964189
One large tab is enough to boil 0.5l of water.

Pros:
Small
Light
Cheap

Cons:
Wind is a problem for heat retention
Fuel tablets tend to grind each other down, filling wherever you keep them with white powder that smells and is difficult to wash out.
Can set surface on fire.

>>956313
ive got one and I love it. Never understood people who use propane or alcohol stoves, why not a duel fuel one where if you need to siphon gas from a car you can.

>>955777
dumbshit, throughout the day you should be gathering firemaking materials and thinking about your fire for the night

>>956266
git gud

how do you think people climb Himalyana 8000m peaks and use stoves?

kys

>>956436
>cant even have fires in Yurop
is there anything you can do that involves danger?

I use a wood burning stove. Get rekt.

>>964455
Also it leaves a sticky, tar-like residue on your pots.

>>964498
From a car if you can.... That's not out bud keep car camping

>>964556
Lots of places you can't have fires because of ecologically sensitive areas, lack of waterfall etc. Grow up.

>>964605
Arizona fag here, can confirm. Sometimes it's just too dangerous to let every asshole that wants to start a fire in the woods start a fire.

>>965135
Rest of the United States between the Mississippi and the Sierra/Cascades here. Shit can be pretty dry here too.

>>965160
I'll bet. Just didn't want to talk out of my ass.

>lol just start a fire
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/three-charged-in-roaring-lion-fire/article_86a5030c-da0c-5673-a45d-dd1f577a26bc.html

Or maybe know when a stove is appropriate and when it isn't.

>>960672
>stove for day hikes
Why?

>>965180
Not that guy, but sometimes I bring a stove for a long day hike in the fall because a warm lunch feels good.

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Fire when it is available and stove when fire is not an option.

Also rate stove.

>>964556
That what the refugees are for.

>>964189
>>964455
>>964596
you can easily mod the esbit cookers to take other sources of heat, so thats a big plus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECVyyXSEpDc

>>965450
>2 simple rods
Why didn't I think of that. I like to use solid esbit fuel as fire starter, than use wood. Insgead of 2 rods I use peace of steel net from single use grill.

>>957902

>mountain house
>290 calories per bag
wtf is this shit? it's so fucking pointless.

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>>965620
725 calories per bag, doofus.

>>965636
damn you're right i'm an idiot

>>965638
This is 4chan. Don't ever admit being wrong. Instead, insult oponents mother.

>>965710
naah that's /b/ behaviour

>>956074
I have a mini wood burning camping stove. I think it's a called a firefly. Only took 6 hours to boil half a cup of water. It's cool I normally drink my coffee at noon anyways. made a great edition to my gear pile.

>>965235
Can you smoke weed out of that?/10

Do you girls carry microwaves as well with your ovens? Open fire, small grill grate if cooking meat, Zebra pot for boiling water, pasta, rice.

>>966008
See
>>955423
>>955571
>>955599
>>956380
>>960672
There are many places /out/ where are fire is impossible

>>966156
Well maybe not impossible, but not a good/viable idea.

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>>956316
The Svea is loud, too. The lighting process more than makes up for it.

>>966402
So is the whisperlite, dipshit

>>966402
>>966493
Most fuel camp stoves are loud.

>>966265
In the mountains it is often impossible
What are you going to burn?
Rock?

I carry a stove but the majority of my meals are cooked over a fire, it's easy and fast to make a chimney out of rocks and feed it with twigs.

>>966700
there is usually small amounts of deadwood even in the mountains

>>966156
and where/when campfires are banned, a small enclosed cooking fire is usually permitted.

>tldr; small cooking fire > stove >> campfire

>>966768
Not sure where you live, but out in the Western states when there's a fire ban o it means zero open fires, not just camp fires. Nothing that could produce an ember, it's liquid or gas fuel stoves only.

A lot of high alpine environments also prohibit fires for both environmental and logistical reasons.

>>966768
>there is usually small amounts of deadwood even in the mountains
>confirmed for never having been in the mountains
even if you do find some wood up there, you shouldn't use it
that's just selfish

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>>955592
>Help save the planet
No one says this, you just use this as a dash of salt on your baits.

>>955787
>nonrenewable
Bitch you can make alcohol from just about anything that rots. It's the definition of renewable.

>>966768
>>966804
It depends on what mountains. You're both silly.

Anybody got any good multi fuel stoves?

I killed my jet boil and would like the replacement to run on diesel if it had to (not by preference though as it's not the greatest cooking fuel)

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I tend to use a stove these days, hard to find dry wood most of the year in my area.

To that end, anybody seriously use pic related? I'd love to try it but they seem awful meme-y.

>>967348
I've heard some claims that kerosene stoves can burn diesel, but it's gotta be like equipment grade extra low sulfur diesel. Never tried it myself.

Whisperlite Universal is probably the most versatile because it'll burn white gas, auto gas, kerosene or canister butane.

>>966700
Lichens

>>967448
I have a gen2 version of that stove. They're great if you're either camping out for a week or more or if you're car camping. At over 3 pounds using one for backpacking for only a few days is pointless because you can carry a canister stove and two weeks of fuel for even less pack weight.
If you're into cooking that involves more then just boiling water their the cats meow. They're perfect for fishing trips since you can drop one folded up int he bottom of a tackle box and cook your catch on the spot.
I mostly use a SOTO OD-1R or a catcan stove with a anodized GSI pot these days because screwing around with all the time it takes to deal with a wood burning stove, not to mention all the soot.
Good thing about the firebox stove is they're so overbuilt it'll never wear out so it's more or less a one time buy, I've gone through two MSI whipserlite stoves and three pumps in the same span of time as when i bought my firebox and the firebox is still as good as the day i bought it.

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>>956313
pros:
>huge heat output, enough for deep frying and stir fry
>long run time
>white gas never goes stale
>doesn't care about the cold

cons:
>low heat setting isn't that low (you can't gently simmer)
>extended periods of low-flame operation clog up the generator tube
>can throw a fireball when you light it; don't use it in your tent porch
>pump gasoline stinks

>>967448
I dunno, stick stoves are one of those things that are so easy to DIY I never saw the point in buying one.

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£1 each from my local mil surp as they're closing down soon. I got 12 and would have taken the lot had I more space in my bag at the time.

Aside from the mild fishy smell they work an absolute treat.

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i carry a cheap primus canister stove but fire is most comfy and rewarding

also, i'm buying pic related this year and there's nothing anyone can do about it

>>969394
Dear fucking Lord, how do you plan to carry that monstrosity?

>>958006
Anon, pls

>>955592

$12 you mean. There is a good and widely recommended collapsible cooking surface for $7 I have seen on here, and a canister of isopro can be had for $5. With an insulated water thermos, that will cook a week of meals.

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What about a wood burning stove

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>>969504
not everyone who goes /out/ is a backpacker

>>969504

yeah basically this >>969741

i'm throwing it in my van with the rest of my heavy comfy camping shit and driving somewhere with potable water on tap, a picnic table and a fire pit and doing all my summer harvest canning in the glorious local parks instead of suffering in my hot apartment like i tend to do

i hope to do at least 3 bushels of tomatoes

it'll be good for music festivals too, i enjoy cooking for people

>>955402
as someone who barely /out/ I can see itl ike this

>fire cooking inna woods
>stoves in urban area

But to each their own.

>>971191
There's a thousand and one reasons a fire isn't always the best choice anon.

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stove for boiling, fire for grilling and fun, gotta make that popcorn and smores

>>971274
I promise i will be responsible and not cause a forest fire.

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fire cooking is best cooking if you have the luxury of doing so
>dem tasty carcinogens

>>969741
oh shit waddup, any of these in murica? I like the matte green.

>>971396
try http://minitrucktalk.com/

>>971384
Much more than that.

>>955402
stove is much more controlled and thus can cook food faster and better unless you know how to do a small fire and offload the hot coals to the side to cook on. It's still not exact but you can get similar results with a bit more work

I prefer fire though cuz I like to mess around with it

>>964498
Why would you not just pull some wire out of the car with a resistor and make an electric stove if you got your fucking car?

Which esbit stove size do you find most practical? Theoretically it shouldn't matter as long as the stove can support the cookware, right? Since the energy output is based on the brick size

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What is the consensus on these here in /out/? Youtube reviews make them seem fucking amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpqapv_B7DU

>>972732
Had one for many years, amazing in the right conditions:

+ no need to carry fuel, as you can always find a handful of sticks (which is enough to cook a meal)

- shit in severe weather conditions (extreme cold, high winds, strong rain) as you can't just take it inside your tent vestibule
- shit for winter trips, as it takes forever with frozen sticks to melt snow
- pot stand needs to be replaced every year or two (I use it a lot, so maybe lasts longer for normal people)

Weight is ok, and folds down pretty small (nests insdie my cooking pot).

Beware of additional gear needs, such as >>971507

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>>972936
Thanks for the info man. I just ordered one. I plan on going out this weekend, it will be hovering around freezing with light precipitation for one day, off and on snow/light rain. I plan on camping on the upper half of a mountain in about 12km/hr winds. Will this stove function properly if fed with good fuel in that weather situation?

All I've ever used is a peak stove from Coleman and I really have no idea about any other stove or applicable conditions. I'm just used to colemans being an art form to maintain and keep functioning year round here.

Pic semi related- the gigantic thing I want to take out of my pack

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>>972941

As always with fires, you want to keep your wood as dry as possible. In this case even more so, as it is quiete a small fire in the stove, so wet sticks that wouldn't matter on a bonfire are bad here.

You want to keep it protected from wind, and find a good place for yourself out of rain, while due to the smoke you can't take it inside your tent... That might be a bit tricky, but it'll work, yes. I have used mine in the Alps at over 2000m at -20°C, it works, it is just less fun than a kerosin stove in these conditions.

So usually, in winter I will pack the kerosin stove, and the rest of the year I go with this one. Pic related from Croatia a couple summers ago.

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Why not both in one?

I've had the same MSR whisperlite for 17 years. It survived my entire time in Scouting and still kicks ass today.