Best pack

>>763607
Kelty is great.

Redcloud90 checking in

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The version I have.

>>763607
>best pack
>no molle webbing
>no velcro for freedom patch
How about no

>>763620
please stay in your airsoft cellar

>>763629
>implying more anchors is a bad thing

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>>763607
>Weight: 5 pounds 8 ounces
>Weight: 5 pounds 8 ounces
>Weight: 5 pounds 8 ounces

wow u dont even go fast do you

my pack weigh 21 oz empty not 88 slow anon

>>763651
>he cant run 10 consecutive 6 minute miles with 65 pounds in his pack

Are you a pussy on purpose?

>>763654
Fuck was going to post the same

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>10 consecutive 6 minute mile with 65 lb

I hope you realize this is equivalent to 10 consecutive 60 second miles with a 11 lb pack

or one consecutive 6 second mile with my pack

i bet u wish u were that speedy

>>763654
>not running 3 minute miles
G T F O

>tfw eberlestock halftrack is 6+ lbs
;_ ;

>>763657
>one consecutive
>one
>consecutive

>>763662
Long legs, the pack doesnt shorten my times by much only by like, 30 seconds per mile

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>the best backpack
that is highly subjective,

>>763675
It is the truth.

>>763672
>excuses
come back and brag when you hit the 3 min mile.

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>>763675
shop around, try what fits, find your own style.

>>763684
Shit/10

>>763684
What is this yellow band on the middle bag? I like it and the fact it fits molle

>>763692
thank you for sharing your opinion, would you like to provide reasons for your opinions on my bags? i would love to hear them, they all have their strengths and weaknesses and if you have any insight, please share

>>763694
you know those reflex things cyclists have on their pants?, the ones that have the metal in them so they curl around the leg?, its one of those

>>763696
but i stripped the betal and glued some velcro unto it so that it would hook unto the velcro on the bag

>>763695
1st bag is for camping but is too small to be useful for anything outside of a few days
The other 3 are bags for school children

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>>763698
im a tiny genetically inferior manlet so its the largest im gonna go for a bag.

the clamshell opening of the camelbak is lovely for fishing equipment ( radio antenna ports on the top perfectly fit a fishing rod so i can keep the wheel on and it nice and protected mostly inside the bag)
the A.L.I.C.E was mostly for the fram and the novelty, it is godtier for Roskilde music festival though
and the black one is genuinely my school bag and everyday bag

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>>763620
>Velcro

>>763707
do you want me to call it "hook and loop"?

>>763709
I don't want you to do anything, I want companies to stop using that shit and ruining great backpacks.

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Just got this pack, thoughts?

>>763715
Looks decent for easy-medium trips, how is the weight distribution? How are the straps for your shoulders and hips? Any rubbing on your back?

>>763719
Literally got it today, need to put some weight in first and see if it fits well.

>>763714
whats wrong with velco? just curious

>>763725
It's mallninja tier and it's ugly as turd. At least they could offer both options, with or without it. That way I would have no problem with it.

>>763728
I agree

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Noob here. Is this ALICE pack any good? I see it around often.

>>763732
Dear lord no. I mean, as a bag its function is to hold things. Which it does. It does not hold thing well though. Eventually those pockets will stop closing and everything inside that pack will shift around and even the top lip may fail.

>>763728
>mall ninja
just no.
The only thing bad about velcro is the noise and the fact it gets dirty as fuck.

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>>763740
go ahead and get your oper8r morale patches man, very nice. you'll find many friends here >>>/k/

>>763732
Hell no, do not buy for serious outdoor activities,

for novelty or history, sure, but you better off with almost anything even remotely modern

>>763744
>>763730
just pull the seams dudes and bam its off, most velco is sown ontop of the fabric anyway

>>763715
Nothing but respect for lowe alpine backpacks. That one in particular you use everywhere

>>763732
If not mountaineering, can't see the problem with it. Quite functional. If you hunt, add the external frame and it will be a blessing innawoods.

>>763744
>my vietnam vet uncle touched my pooper and now i hate anything to do with something that might be used in the military

>>763762
>implying that I'm a faggy american that falls into the consumerist tactical propaganda
>projecting this much
Sorry lad.

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>>763768
>velcro is consumerist tactical stuff

If I'm looking for an external frame, what do you guys recommend?

>>763777
why external frame?

>>763778
Not that Anon but for hunting an external frame + dry bag is epic

>>763778
I like how they raise the weight on your back as well as the frame itself.
Also add on the fact that it separates your bag from direct contact; I sweat a lot, and my back tends to get drenched.

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>>763651
I'm with you.

I'm packing about 12kg inc pack, including my camera gear.

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>>763796

My next pack, addresses the weaknesses of the Golite. It's framed, slightly more substantial suspension, better clips (hooks), and is a top loader and panel loader all in one.

Mine's getting a bit long in the tooth (6 years).

My other pack is an 88l Highlander that I unstitched all the external pockets from so it's basically a giant tube. It's awesome in its simplicity and just swallows everything.

>>763788
this is the only legit reason for exernal fram i see nowadays
>>763791
it heavy, overly clunky and there are internal frame packs that do exactly that but probably better

>>763801
Most of the frame's I've seen aren't that heavy.
Also can you find me an internal that is the same price with that same stuff?

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>>763800
I'd also love to try a hill people gear sack, their suspension system looks interesting, but the weights put me off..

>5.5lb

>>763804
i can, probably, maeby, i dont know, but im not gonna do that, i am however going to advice you against external frame packs, unless you specifically need the ability to seperate the pack from the frame

>>763810
Also not that anon. I personally love framed packs. If you have a shitty back the stiffness is fantastic.

>>763812
yes, there are specific circumstances where an external frame is supperor, but on average, internal is supperor

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>>763609
>>763607
I bought this Kelty Coyote 4750 in 2007. It's been a good pack since. 78 liters seems plenty for everything I've done, with my longest trip being 6 days. Kelty is definitely quality gear.

Now that I'm older and actually have money to spend I might upgrade to something lighter, but a new tent comes first!

I got a cheap 20l canvas backpack because I'm poor.

I've already stripped it down, cut out useless pockets and branding shit.

Is there anything I can do to it that's going to make it super comfy? I was thinking about stiching in a belt strap since every hiking bag seems to feature one.

>>763654
im ok with this

>>763607
People that you meet on the trail that insist on showing off their neato backpack features are the absolute worst. Just saying.

>>763675
YES. Osprey Atmos/Aura AG is the shit! Tried on 5 packs and that one felt amazing!

>>763872
OP here, no need to brag when my shit is so superior that it speaks for itself.

>>763883
lmao post your actual bag, let's see how much you've used it.

>>763867
Bumpa

>>763886
I dont have this bag anymore. It was >>763611
I recently gave it to a homeless guy but I miss it and am going to get another. Actually, the bag was totally filled with camping gear too. Totally hooked up the hobo.

I got an old military sack, a duffle bag. Lol. Works great, will be using all summer. After then I'll have my baby redcloud 110 again. They're durable as hell, by the way.

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I have pic related. I got it on a whim. It's only 48 liters. Did I fuck up and buy a pack that's much too small, or do I just need to learn to pack smarter?
I'm really only go on weekend trips.

I'm new at this.

>>763918
If you're just packing a tarp, some rope and a blanket a box of cliff bars and a water bottle you're fine

>>763607
why do you need 110 L of space

>>763918
thats fine for short weekend trips. may have issues fitting a tent in there if youre going by yourself though

>>763920
>>763925

Maybe I'll just go full UL to cover up the fact that I fucked up.

>>763923
I prefer extended camping trips.

>>763918
I'm actually an advocate for getting a 30L-40L pack as your first pack, it teaches you to pack light and not take any extras. Once you learn all this and learn exactly what you are looking for in a backpack you can buy a 60L-80L bag.
>>763925
I own the Atomos 65 and he should be able to strap your tent with the lower straps, and put your sleeping pad under the pack cover that folds over. Not sure if they're that similar but it looks possible.

>>763937
atmos oops

I'm looking for a good waterproof backback, ~40 or 50 liters and relatively cheap. Any recommendations?

>>763936
how long are we talking here because 75 L is good for two weeks

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>>763607
I bought a deuter rise pro 34+ recently.

34+8L.

It's actually a mountaineering/ski/board pack but I love it has all these compartments and attachment points. There's even a whistle built into one of the clips on the front which is pretty cool. I can open the entire thing from the full zipper on the back to unpack whatever in the middle of a hike without taking everything out. It's a tad small but just big enough. The rise 45+ was my original choice but the pro was too much of a good deal not to get it. It is also pretty comfortable and of very sturdy construction. I also liked mammut packs in that respect but couldn't find anything with the same versatility.

>>763950
Sea to summit dry bags sometimes have straps, those are cool

>>763950
go for a pack cover and you dont need waterproof

would a pack cover protect against wading through rivers and getting the bottom wet?

>>763956
I pack for 1-3 months, sometimes I even have things tied and looped ontop of that 110L. Heaviest I've had my pack was 85 pounds. I usually keep it around 35-45 pounds. Anything up to about 2 weeks I just bring a normal school backpack.

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>>763950
Waterproof as in for diving? Or water proof for heavy rains?

>>763962
>>763961
forgot to tag

>>763962
Don't risk that. Get a dry bag.

>>763968
heavy rains

>>763957
incidentally I guess they're 140 right now on sale at rei. it's a good pack if you tend to travel on the lighter side. Deuter bags are really of excellent quality.

>>763962
yea youre going to need a waterproof bag then. you probably should also line the inside with a tarp

>>763978
>line the inside with a tarp

M8

>>763964
do you build your own shelters and use emergency blankets to sleep in at night on two week trips

>>763978
so...
recommendations? I realize that I need a waterproof bag.

>>763980
BE PREPARED M80

>>763982
I really enjoy building my own shelters, I do pack a wool blanket. I take a tarp with me just in case. I do have a tent but it is crappy and bulky so I only use it with my main pack.

>>763984
A dry bag
Google plz
They come in backpack form

>>763992
>>763978
>>763971
>>763968
>>763959
I'll do some research, I appreciate the help.

>>763984
i was the guy with the deuter rise. It's got a better lining than most. kind of that semi rubbery stuff inside. I doubt it's completely waterproof though but I'd expect it'd do a decent job.

>>763984
I only have experience with larger bags than what youre looking for so i wouldnt be much help in your search for a bag

>>763994
the other thing I will say is you can make a pretty decent waterproof solution with paraffin and naptha. I posted the recipe up in a poncho thread and one of the anons said it did a pretty good job of waterproofing. It's an old fly fishing floatant.

>>763989
A true outdoorsman. ive only built my own shelter instead of using a tent 3 times so far

>>764002
Try out different structures, try to make multiple doors and good drainages and try to make it even 100% water and wind proof, just screwing around and being creative can make you really comfortable with doing it

>>764004
I usually go for the branches of fallen trees. theyre low to the ground and already have a lot of the work done for me. It ends up being a dome like structure similar to an igloo

>>763989
Have you read the temp while doing that type of camp? I've always wondered at what temp oscilation it would be suitable without risking hypothermia.

>>764017
I've done it in the winter. Don't skimp on things that keep you warm but stay as stripped down as you can, so you can always dress up when it's too much. This also helps climatize you.

>>764009
Yeah, I'm just suggesting you try multiple things

>>763607
I don't have a need for a bag that big. My innawoods pack is a 45 litre arcteryx for short duration trips.

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I got me one of these for $80 recently. Trying to get back into backpacking instead of doing dedicated car camping that I've done for the last decade and a half.

Anyone done much with one of these?

>>764952
You'll be allright with it as long as you don't push the weight too much. Noob mistake is to focus in the bag and disregard the shoulder straps and hip belt. As long as they are comfortable, it's ok.

Could anyone recommend a pack that's only about $100?

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>>764954

I've been feeling kinda shit lately since my wearing of shitty shoes at work as finally caught up to me, so I haven't gotten to actually try it properly with a load yet. I had it out with ~20 pounds, but it was killing my lower back because I didn't have the hip belt wasn't low enough But it appears to be quite adjustable.

Hey guys what's going on in this thread?

I thought the best backpack was the FLEXTREK WHIPSNAKE.

Am I wrong?

Am I wrong.

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I got this one. Osprey 100l

Amazing pack

>>763651
What pack you have

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>>763607
I currently have a Kelty Falcon 66 litre bag. It's too small and too heavy. I have to attach so much shit to the outside of my pack it pisses me off

Anyone got any suggestions for a good pack, mabye 80-90 litres, built tough and is durable but doesn't weight 5lbs empty. Also would like molle/pals webbing for attaching pouches.

>>763867
You could wax the canvas so it waterproof

>>765108
>doesn't weight 5lbs empty.
>Also would like molle/pals webbing for attaching pouches.

Yeah good luck with that.

>>763607
>what is the
>and why is it
Confirmed shill

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>>765141
What would you suggest? Molle/pals is not necessary but I would like to attach things like an axe or a tent to my pack.

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>>765186

I'd go for a midweight, 1-1.5kg 'UL' pack. I am the anon who mentioned the Exped Thunder pack as an upgrade to my current Golite Pinnacle.

Weight is a priority for me. Dyneema ripstop has proved functional and durable and I see absolutely no need for 500 or 1000d packs for hiking and camping.

The Exped Thunder looks good in terms of flexibility. Lots of attachment points, enough pockets, well thought out compression straps, etc.

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>>763607
>kelty coyote and redcloud no longer offered in coyote brown, or od green

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>>763620

I would like to get into Backpacking, and I'm not trying to get into that ultra-light sissy crap. I went to an REI and was recommended an Osprey Aether 90. Thoughts? I'm trying to both go on multi-day camping trips and train for Marine Corp Infantry.

>>766661
and bakpacking trips

>>766661
>>766664
Don't waste your time with REI gear. There are only a small amount of things there that are worth buying, and 100% of if you can find for half the price online.

Military packs are much different than hiking packs, if you want to be a marine then use what they use.

>>766668
Yeah, I think I might buy a surplus Load Bearing Pack. Thanks

>>765209

This saddens me. I grabbed a 32l kelty in tan and loved it. Now I look around and its fluorescent colors and black. yay.

>>765102
flexatrek 37,000,000.000,000 whipsnake

>>763918
You actually avoided the most common newbie error of buying an oversized pack, 50l is ample for weekend trips.

Arcteryx Bora 80 master race checking in....

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Got my dad's old pack for my birthday. Thoughts on it? It's an Aether 70

>>767414
Sweet pack. You don't need anything else besides a daypack.

>mfw I got an REI Flash 65 (green/black one) for 12$ at an REI garage sale totally new minus one tiny dirt fleck
Pretty sure it was a mistake and it was supposed to be 120$ but the cashier didn't notice.
It's a decent pack, comfy and light, would I pay a full 180$ for it? No, but it's my go-to pack right now.

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>>763918
I literally almost bought this pack for weekend trips myself. But ended up buying pic related, and I feel like mines too small.

>>767414
looks like it's hardly used. adequate pack, gj.

>>767420
>>767582
Thanks. Now I need to get some gear. I'm moving this summer and pretty much the only things I'll have to do is work, backpack, and fish.

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Just pulled the trigger on this. On sale at Backcountry for 195 with free shipping. Was cheaper than the Aether, plus I tried one on at REI and it was mad comfy. How did I do?

>>767678
Thinking about getting this same pack after scouting areas for weekend solo trips.

>>767678
Been using the same pack, favorite out of the others I've tried working for outdoor programs. Spent 8 days in the sierras and up whitney and was completely comfortable the whole time.

>>763607

>110L

There's no reason you'd ever need that much space if you're /out/ recreationally.

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>>763607
>>766934
I was thinking about buying a Red cloud 90l in OD green.

What's the consensus of using hiking backpacks for uni? I don't have the money to buy two bags and my old one went to shit.
Have been thinking about buying a Kestrel like this >>763918 anon and I want to know if I am going to end up wearing out the bag.

>>768036
>hiking backpacks for uni
I've seen alot of people do this at my uni, there are no real problems at all, and a quality backpack shouldn't wear out on you.

>>768040
I'm assuming after taking the top off it wouldn't look too bad.
Only thing that bothers me is that I would imagine the synthetic fibers from the kestrel would wear down from book corners, but they might be more sturdily built than I imagine.

>>768041
By a padded book bag then

>>768046
Unfortunately I can only afford one bag and I'm in desperate need for both a uni bag and a hiking bag.
I might have to do something to reinforce the corners.

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>>768060
Buy a book bag.

>>768070
Honestly didn't know that was a thing, thought it was just a tote bag.
Hopefully a padded one comes cheap and it can hold 3+ large textbooks, but yeah looks nice.
Thanks anon.

>>768036
Mission workshop. 5.11

>>767678
Pic is of a 50L I got the 65L, my bad

>>763732
Stay away, rothco is awful. They make terrible chinese knockoffs that will fall apart the second time you use it

>>763732
Just buy the real deal, rothco is shit. Old Grouch has the mediums for $39.

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I'm looking into buying a new backpack.

It will be used to haul my stuff to and fro of Scouting camps, Hiking, Resting on my bikebags when bikecamping and holding my stuff.

I'm not much of a light or ultralight person. I'd rather have to much than too little.

I was thinking of either the Osprey Xenith 88 or Fjallraven Kajka 85. But I like the front opening panel on the Kajka much more.

Seeing the Kajka 85 is 3,45 Kgs and the Kajka 100 is 3,55 Kgs, does the extra volume matter much when you don't use it? It's not costing that much more weight on the pack itself..

Please help me consider.

>>770412
That kajka 100 looks sexy

>>770412
85 is plenty, My only concern is how much wasted space there is on the front of it, and lack of compression straps over the zips, not a bag you're going to be able to stuff.

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Ibex 80 still going strong after 4 years.

>>770614
>dat lens
>freeholding it

what, is he trying to take intentionally blurry photos of goats that are 3 miles away

>>770620

Large lenses absorb tremor really well. It is also a VR lens. It also costs $13,000 and you get what you pay for.

>>770625
consider me a more learned man

>>770614
I have an Ibex. Hate it. Want to sell it. :(

>>770625
Who cares. He's being a tough guy. No one would hand-hold a 600 unless they were desperate on time. The lighting is flat, so unless he's got the ISO fucking cranked to hold it at f/4, he'd be shooting an f/stop that isn't conducive to movement. Worse so if the subject is moving laterally to the shooter and horizon.

At the very least, a strong monopod with a little, well build ball head and a footprint to disperse the load at the base would do wonders.

>>770661

f/4 on overcast day... ISO 800 1/2000 no problem.

>>768070
>Mechanics of Materials

ayyyyy

My dad brought that home for me before I left for college. Haven't really looked through it much though.

So I'm a broad shouldered dude (54in shoulders in high school) who absolutely needs something wider than normal. I hate slim packs like many ospreys and like the feel of things like the wider keltys (redwing etc) ... but the new colors are a turn off for me. Any other manufacturers with solid wider packs?

>>770724
Buy a model from an earlier year. Same pack different colors.

>>770752
no one else makes wider bags?

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One of the best. Expensive tho..

>>770412
Kajka 85 for sure. That back looks really good. Only get the 100l version if you do a lot of winter camping or say outdoors for extended periods.

>>770649
Why do you hate it anon? :(

>>771005
How many litres is it without those side pockets?

>>771142
Each pocket is 8 L, you can put them together and use them as a separate daypack.

>>770757
There are some but kelty has the best quality and the best price

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I was thinking out getting the REI Traverse 70. I've read good things and tried it on and it was very comfortable.

Has anyone had any experience with it?

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>>770614
Also got the ibex(80), my tent fits into the outside pockets like its meant to be. would reccomend

>>763651
>being a weightfag
no

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I have an Osprey aether 60L, but am looking for something smaller

Hopefully something that could be a good day bag, but also work for a day or two camping trip. Probably in the 30Lish range.

Any recommendations?

>>763620
if one of your criteria is meme webbing, you don't go /out/ enough

>>773187
I have a Fjallraven Friluft 35 and it's comfy as fuck. Excellent daypack.

>>763800
>awesome in its simpilicity and just swallows everything

ur mom?

>>770703
It's an easy class. There's a chapter where you do some long derivations though.

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>>771927

Used mine this weekend.

>>773511
/comfy/

>>773511
This is the kind of place I'm hoping to find next trip I take. Setting up camp near a small pond/lake is comfy as fuck

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>>773686

Very!

>>773511
where desu?

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I noticed there are differing opinions on what size of bag is necessary for what kind of trip.

From lurking, I know that I am aiming for a 50-65 liter bag for a 2-3 day backpacking trip (first one).

I found a list for camping/hiking/backpacking essentials online, and am in the process of shortening it - also buying a lot of stuff for the first time (sleeping bag, tent, bed pad, etc.)

When you guys go out for 2-3 days, how much food, water and clothing do you bring?

I am good on the equipment/tools aspect but I feel like clothing and provisions is where new people like me might over pack.

All feedback is appreciated.

>>773806
If it's a 2-3 day trip for me, I'll usually just pack a single change of clothes. The only reason I need to change clothes on a trip that short is if they get really wet - I fucking hate it and it can pose problems later on.

For food, it really depends on a few things - how intense the trip will be, how much you usually eat, etc. I aim to get anywhere between 1000-1500 calories per day depending on how hard the trail might be. That usually equates to something like 2 hard boiled eggs in the morning, an energy bar and jerky in the afternoon, and an instant rice/pasta meal at night.

For water, it's easiest for me to pack 2 water bottles, and when they're empty, get more water from another source and purify it. If I'm going somewhere that doesn't have any water sources, chances are I'm not spending an extended period of time out there anyway.

>>773823
>I aim to get anywhere between 1000-1500 calories per day

unless you are a 5'3 woman, that's not really enough food, and definitely not a level you would want to sustain over more than a couple of days of outdoor activity

thru hikers tend to aim for about 3500 a day...

for clothing a single change is fine, go for fast drying synthetics or wool anyway

water depends really on what sources you will have access to. look at a map beforehand and plan accordingly

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>>773795

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>>770412
If you live in Scandinavia? Look into Bergans Trollhetta 95. Really good carryingsystem.

>>774097
I don't but I have found sites that sell them and am looking at some reviews/tests right now. Looks like a good competitor.

Planning my first overnight camping trip and buying stuff this week.

What kind of bag should I look at? At most, I only plan to spend maybe 2 or 3 days innawoods at a time, but at decent elevations (I live in Alaska).

>>774232

60-80l depending on your gear, IMO.

Priorities should be:

1) fit
2) fit
3) capacity
4) functionality including pockets
4b) decent compression straps, something I look for specifically now
5) weight

>>763620
molle in the hip belt instead of fixed pouches is godly but otherwise unnecessary

>>763732
Despite what others say, it's great. Will last a life time and can be had for $60-$70 at most surplus stores. The problem is its heavy as Hell, and unless you're dragging a deer with it or using it daily, you most likely won't see that durability in play.

Carrying an ALICE and then carrying an Osprey feels like night and day, but while hunting in Northern Michigan, guess which pack fell apart? Purely anecdotal, and my friend doesn't take care of his gear in general. If we were walking on a trail and not dragging it through bushes and fallen trees, I would have preferred the Osprey.

So if you're doing some backpacking, I'd recommend otherwise, like an Osprey or a Kelty. If you're backwoods hunting or carrying large sums of ammunition on base, the ALICE is perfect.

Fuck Rothco though, get a real one with a frame.

>>774234
Any particular brands or models to lean toward? I'm 6'3, so something comfortable for tall people would be great.

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>how to trigger /out

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>>763607
Osprey Xenith or Aether senpai?>>763607

>>763715
I have a similar pack from the same company but an older model.
It may not be the lightest back pack, but it's solid and does the world well, I found it to be very comfortable and less prone to tear and wear than the Ospray models my friends were hiking with.

Used it for a couple 1-2 months hikes in mountainous terrain and a several shorter 1-2 week hikes. It's in great condition after that (which isn't really a huge amount really), but I also take care of it like my baby and it usually sleeps with me in the tent.

>>763804
Listen to anon here >>763810 >>763801
Spent years in the military carrying an external frame pack, they are great if you're intention is to carry 30 kg's and more on a regular basis. Otherwise internal frame backpacks are pretty much superior in every way.

>>764970
Did you buy this online?
Not that this would be of any help to you now, but when picking a backpack you should put it on with weight in the store and walk around the store for 20-30 mins. When I said weight I mean something like 12kg for a backpack like yours.
Adjust the straps, with the help of the store personal and see if it feels comfortable.
Different backpacks have different back systems and straps, which are comfortable or not for different people.
If you can still return it, then you should do the procedure I suggested at home and if it's no good go back to the store and check out other backpacks.

>>765108
>built tough and is durable but doesn't weight 5lbs empty. Also would like molle/pals webbing for attaching pouches.
These things are contradictory.

>>765192
How durable are the UL backpacks?
And what kind of weight do you feel comfortable putting in them without straining them too much.

>>774566
Yeah seriously these fags are really depressingly serious about gearfagging. You will never see people act like this about gear in person unless you are talking to somebody that works in REI and he is trying to SELL you something very overpriced. Gear is not going to save you, a cool head, skill and physical health is going to save you.

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>>774783
/out/s face when this is your main hiking pack

>>774790
This board really saddens me. It could be /out/ but instead it is /the tales of the 75 pound autistic kid that has been on 2 sub 5 mile hikes but watches every single knife review on youtube/

>>766668
>>766695
I see no reason to buy specifically military gear. You're working on your stamina and muscles, the type of gear is irrelevant.

were I in your place I'd buy a civilian backpack that's better suited for hiking trip, now and later in life.

>>774808
Some people prefer durability. Some people also tend to believe that if millions of people can survive with an object, then tht object is probably worth using.

>>774813
I don't see why would you handicap yourself intentionally. Buying heavier military gear is doing just that. It's usually not designed for hiking purposes either, which makes it less comfortable in other ways.

While I'm unfamiliar with the backpack that was brought up, you simply do not need anywhere near the durability military gear has because there is literally no way it'll go through the same abuse unless you're intentionally trying to destroy it. I'm not an UL hiker, and I like durability, especially when going to less civilized places like central Asia. But going for military gear is just overshooting by a mile.

>>774819
This is simply not a handicap. Unless you are speed hiking for a world record this is completely unsubstantiated. This is an /out/ troll.

>>774823
You're kidding right?
Why don't you load a bunch of useless rocks into your backpack. Weight isn't a handicap after all, right?
The extra durability of a mil backpack over a durable civilian one is as useful as carrying rocks.
If you're spending money, there is no reason to buy military gear just for role-playing while training.

The troll seems to be you.

>>774831
2 pounds. That is probably the weight difference. Is that a bunch of rocks? Shut up. Just stop.

>>774831
Amazing thought - people like to buy things that don't break

Never once ever thought I was roleplaying anything. I didnt want to waste my money on some consumer crap that is DESIGNED to break as soon as they make a new model.

>>763744

fedora tier.

>>774843
>Implying you need tacticool military shit for quality.

>>774848
It is objectively more durable than anything you will buy at REI. This is a fact.

Like I said, if you are not attempting a world record speed hike of the appalachian trail this is a complete non-issue. So there are about 20 people on earth that should give a damn about pack weight.

>>774841
That's a significant mate. I don't know a single person who wouldn't drop a kg on the second km of elevation gain of the day, or the first honestly.

Moreover, like I said in the earlier comment, military gear is designer with different things in mind than civilian hiking gear. Like more compartmentalization, or to fit well with a vest (doesn't have to be either or both, these are examples).

>>774843
>I didnt want to waste my money on some consumer crap that is DESIGNED to break as soon as they make a new model.

I don't know, my lowe alpine backpack has gone through some thousands of kilometers and is still in good shape. If you favor durability just don't go for the UL stuff.

>>774852
>It is objectively more durable than anything you will buy at REI. This is a fact.

It's also objectively more durable than anything you'll ever need.

>if you are not attempting a world record speed hike of the appalachian trail this is a complete non-issue.
man, arguing that 1 kg of weight is completely irrelevant makes me doubt that you've ever really went on a hike with any elevation gain.

>>774860
You must be a 75 pound girl. I've hiked dozens of thousands of miles. Even when I was 12, which was 20 years ago I never had any sort of issue with pack weight, be it 20 pounds or 70 pounds.

I am done. I am not longer going to reply to your trolling. 10/10 you got me.

>>774864
If you enjoy carrying extra weight for no reason have at it. Of the people from my company that are into hiking, there is not one who'd take his pack from the military days over a civilian one.
Perhaps carrying 20 pounds or 70 feels exactly the same to you, but not so to the rest of us mortals. But you're right the conversation is over, you're just shitposting at this point.

>>774897
No you are 100% trolling. You literally are. If someone is poor a milsurp pack is fucking god mode. Why? It will never fucking break dude!!! What the fuck cant you understand!?!?!?!

You arent a fucking race horse the size of your jockey doesnt fucking matter you goddamned fuck face you have no idea how much I want to throw you in a fucking river over your BLATANT TROLLING.

>>767230
Lmao

anyone have any advice for what to look for in a uni bag? something comfortable because I do use it for full days of walking around town, but also able to carry a decent number of books. I'm new to the whole spending money on quality goods, I mostly buy the cheapest shit, and so I don't even know where to start looking

>>775140
just get a fucking Jansport, they last forever and the all black ones look nice assuming you can find an all black with the black patch

>>763744
Fucking cringe.

>>763684
Oh my god, what fucking shit packs.

>milsurp packs with external frames

kek I bet these are the same people who carry assault weapons on day hikes

thinking about pulling the trigger on a fjällräven abisko 65L. anyone have any experience with those?

>>775140
timbuk2 satchel

Waterproof, laptop sleeve, size range S-XL, durable, reasonably cheap - got mine on sale.

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>225 replies
>no mention of the LK 35

you disgust me /out/

>>775409
>stop liking what I don't like

>>775584
maybe because it sucks, is uncomortable, is shitty to pack, should I go on?

>>766661
>ultra-light sissy crap
carrying 90L of comfort shit makes you some kind of inconceivalbe ultra-fag.
have fun walking slowly

>>775717
>he cant carry a backpack

Laughinggirls.jpeg

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>>763744
>Holger Danske patch
I both desire this patch and feel disgusted by Holger put in front of imitation icelandic magic

>>775728
Danish? Jeg forstår ikke helt hvad de har imod 'taktiske' tasker, de har bestemt deres pro's, men self. også nogle cons. Ikke så ofte man ser en dansker, ville bare lige hilse.

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Meh. Kelty packs seem well built but it really didn't feel right on my back. Ended up getting a North face terra 50 for day/weekend trips. Pretty happy with it.

>>763607
>What is the best backpack?

looks like a well made, well designed pack OP.
best backpack it is not though.

>>767898
how the hell do you know that?
maybe some of us go /out/ for more that just a night, or pack for someone that for any reason cannot carry any extra weight.
bet you are a manlet w/thin wrist. yes?

Literally first time pack camping in PA and used Alice frame ancient pack from my old man. Had to throw additional weigh on top and hold it over my head on top of my pack when we gained a weak link.
Made it out and marched us through singing tunes I remembered off the top if my head
Alice pack strong.

>>765082
Always buy Archwood

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bought this today lads
feel free to berate me

>>767678
I got that pack i travel the states and wear it everyday, it's pretty comfortable, but the side pockets rent that great sleeping bag won't fit in the sleeping bag part so I put clothes on there and sleeping bag on top, bottom compartment if pack is full is a bitch to zip up, hip belt is uncomfortable and the pocket zippers are the wrong way hard to open with pack on, the stretchy front pocket is awesome but rips kind of easy had to sew a few holes already and side stretchy pockets and the straps aren't even that comfortable and I'm carrying about 40 pounds I've had it for about 6 months it's pretty good in the rain though it's a pretty good pack but has some flaws

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Thanks Sc/out/s. I looked into all the options and decided to buy the Fjallraven Kajka 85.

I look forward to using it already and it's going to see plenty of use this year alone.

Hey /out looking to get a general purpose bag for uni and occasionally fishing. Preferably around 30l
Any recommendations?

>>776688
Hey, how much did it cost you, without shipping.
Please come back with a review, first time I've heard about this company so would be interested.

>>777071
If it has a european name it is over $300 before shipping and taxes no matter what

>>763762
Being anti-tacticool is kind of the same thing as being tacticool. You're telling people you're so tough you don't need to look like you're tough.
Only anti-tacticool is actually LESS masculine because it's born of a self-consciousness common to our generation.

Tacticool guys don't actually have to think about it, they just gravitate towards it because they think it looks cool. They are living authentically, which is masculine.

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>>763918

I have the 36ltr version and its fine for me for 2 night/3day trips. It depends on ow well your gear packs down though.

>Tent folded/stuffed in bottom in a "U" shape
>Sleeping bag stuffed inside that
>Poles and pegs rammed down the sides against the back of the pack
>Cook kit, first aid kit, wash kit and dry bag with extra underwear, socks and tshirt on top of that
>Food goes in next
>Base layer wool jumper, shemagh, gloves and hat on top of that
>Rain gear goes in outer stuff pocket
>Sleep mat in dry bag strapped onto the outside using the bottom straps
>Sometimes fetch tarp, also strapped to the outside
>Knife, fire kit, Headtorch, extra batteries, toilet roll, Sawyer mini & purification tablets, tent lighting in lid compartments
>Extra torch & a folding knife in hip pockets

I usually have room left over for a luxury item or two as well. Generally my kindle and a small radio. It fills it to the brim but I enjoy the challenge of using a smaller pack. It keeps you from over-packing and carrying un-needed gear.

Pic related. My pack.

>>774900
>2016
>this mad on 4chan
>it'll be OK dude

Ignore the trolololols

>>774900
Chill man. I'm with the ''trolling'' anon.

Buy the best you can, but this is about PRINCIPLES. No one willingly carries an item not fit for purpose. Milsurp is just that, designed for MILITARY use.

You posting from Libya, nigga?

By extention the question develops to be if camping backpacks, that are designed for the task at hand, are X kg lighter than a milsurp, that quite obviously demonstrates that most outdoor manufactures acknowledge military gear is overbuilt for their intended uses.

>>777416
>>777384
CONSUMER GEAR IS BUILT TO BREAK
CONSUMER GEAR IS BUILT TO BREAK
YOU WILL DIE IN THE WOODS
YOU WILL DIE IN THE WOODS

>>777416
1kg is not a difference

You are arguing this
>sir I assure you, I am such an extreme pussy and weak little baby that 1kg is I PROMISE enough to make me need reconstructive surgery on my rectum

There is a very significant amount of people that would not notice an extra 20kg unless you told them you added the weight.

>>777524
>1kg is not a difference

actually it is, its' 1kg difference.

1kg here 1kg there suddenly you have your ''UNNOTICEABLE'' 20kg

>>777515
All gear breaks. If an anon wants to buy a pair of boots or backpack or whatever with 2X attributes but knows it only has 1Y lifespan, who the fuck are you to say they're wrong just because you prefer 1X ability and 2Y lifespan.

I'm not going out in the woods for 20 years. If I puncture my boot or bust the zip on my rucksack it ain't the end of the world. I'll patch it up best I can and that'll do me till I get home.

So many autists.

>>777690
>i want bad things
>i am also weak and need excuses for everything

If you can answer why i should consider the opinion of the bottom 10% of humans then ill shut up. But you cant. They are mediocre and even below mediocre. The same people that complain about pack weight and quality gear having a particular look to it in this case "hurr too military" are the same people that complain about walking up stairs and staying late at work or waking up early. They should have ZERO opinions.

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hey guys ,I'm looking for a bag that will last me as long as possible, is relatively ergonomic, and will fit me well , I am 6 ft 5 in and struggle to find anything the right size in local stores , any suggestions ??

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>>777706
also capacity isn't an issue, but if the price could be under £200 that would be a bonus

>>763863
Yeah my coyote 4750 has lasted me since 2008, and I've been on quite a few 2+ week trips in the Rockies and Sierra Nevada. Can't recommend it enough, but the redcloud is basically a larger version of it that could be a good next step for you.

>>777698

Will i climb this mountain more easily with or without a backpack?

Obvious right.

Same goes for, will I climb this mountain more easily with 10kg or 20kg on my back.

srlsy, fuck off troll.

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>>775534
>>770412
I have the Abisko 75 and it's god damn amazing. Easily the best rucksack I've ever used (I haven't owned many, but I've borrowed and used loads)

It's spacious, and has the perfect number of pockets and straps to make it versatile, useful and clever without being overly complicated.

The back is incredibly comfortable and the wait strap system is amazing.

>>777783
>i should only do the absolute most unobstrusive thing as possible because just like in real life I cant be arsed to do anything, mowing the lawn is a sick chore, I even hate getting out of bed


You might have depression bro.

>>767230
>not the flextrek 37,000,000,000,000 Whipsnake Sidewinder i-Series
wew lad, you're backpack a shit

>>776169
Anything more than 70L is a meme unless you're going /out/ for longer than a week.

>>777864

you can avoid conceding your point but all anons know you're wrong.

Saving weight is ALWAYS preferable as long as it doesn't infringe on the utility of the item and insulting me and other anons just demonstrates your own insecurities and your weak position from which you argue.

>>774900
fuck you nigger, don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again

>>777876
>Anything more than 70L is unnecessary unless you're going /out/ for longer than a week.

ftfy

>>777879
Keep replacing your shit every 6 months bitch boy

>>777884
>Anything more than 70L is unnecessary
Does /out/ really feel this way? I use a 110L all the time for 2-3 day trips. No excess room either.

>>777907
/out/ is dumb as fuck dont listen to them ever

>>777907
do NOT give one solitary shit about what anyone here says. you keep doing your thing as long as it works for you. internet arguments are below you, i promise.

>>777907
what the hell do you pack in there

>>777907
What do you pack? I don't pack particularly light, but 65L is more than enough for me for a 7+ days.

The only way I could see using 110 is with a bunch of extra winter/hunting gear.

>>777864
>>777698
>Buying a lawn mower is for lazy depressed people, the top 1% tear the grass up with their bare hands.

>>778004
>merely pretending to be retarded

>>763732
If you get an ALICE please for the love of god get one with a frame. I haul one around with a duck taped strap so it's trusty for the most part but I never put a lot in it or else it becomes unbearable with heavier loads

>>774819
I have a military pack and I have broken the shoulder straps twice and snapped an aluminium spar in the frame once (though that was when I wasn't carrying it). I just don't trust normal backpacks because of that.

>>778416
What caused the shoulder straps to tear? Did they just snap off while hiking because they could not handle the weight of the pack?
How much use did the pack see before that? Did you buy it as new or used?

I'm not questioning your story, it's always useful to learn gear limits.

>>778416
>break 'military' pack.
>I just don't trust normal backpacks because of that.

>>763609
Also have a 90 and love it

Kelty redcloud 110 is the pack I want to be buried with

It has served me so well in the worst of situations

What's the minimum size you guys would use for a 7 day trip? I've only every really done day/single night trips and want to go further

>>778930
65 liters gets me through 3-4 days, and I don't have ultralight gear. I think 85+ would be good for a week. It will depend on the weather and your gear.

>>778930
Depends on the terrain, amount of villages on the trip (food resupply) and what's the expected maximum amount of water need between refill points on the trip (depends on weather, terrain and abundance of water sources).

Minimal size if all things line up? maybe 35L, idk. I'm usually carrying a bunch of stuff for my gf, so I always end up taking the 75L.

Mind you, it also depends on the quality of your gear. Down sleeping bad/jacket take a lot less space than their synthetic counterparts. carrying a stove and pot VS relying on dry food also makes a big difference.

If you're asking what to buy for a 7 day trip, answer these:
1. are you going to resupply food stuffs on the way?
2. what's the expected amount of water? is the area bountiful in streams and such? or would you be lugging 6-10L though a desert?
3. aprox gear list, just go with the big stuff, tent, sleeping bag, jacket etc.

>>775584
Finally some sexy external frames

>>778941
What's the advantage of external frames? Surely they would just be uncomfortable and heavy(er)?

>>778950
you have padding or a spring strap, also you can add extra pockets/bags really easily.

>>778950
You can attach oddly shaped things to the frame to carry

>>778936
>>778937

I was going to go for a 70L? Terrain isnt too bad, hills mostly with intermittant forests and towns, weather should be good and I'll be partially resupplying on the way

>>779336
70L sounds like a safe pick, you could probably do with less for this trip, but ya know, having future trips in the back of your mind as well is bretty good.
have some good times, brother.

>>779371
Cheers anon, you too

What to do if I'm a poorfag? Need one at least 50 liters for 10 day hike with Scouts. Rich dads just buy a $200 ruck from REI... No way, Jose. Suggestions? I've looked at Kommando Store, Swiss Link. Other suggested sites?

>>780505
yeah, look for used stuff here
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/forum/commerce/gear-swap/

If you spend enough time looking you'll eventually find a good enough deal, though that depends on how poor you are...
Just don't expect to find what you need in a couple of days, check it every day or two and eventually it will come.
Try posting a WTB (want to buy) post.

Good luck.
btw, what's your budget?

>>780522
Backpack - $75-100? Thanks for link. Is craigslist any good for backpacks?

>>780524
If they take good pics why not?

>>780505
Save up for kelty redwing or teton sports. Otherwise used USMC ILBE are cheap and bombproof

Hey what would be the perfect bag for those just starting to get more /out/? I fucked up and bought a large ALICE pack with frame and most of the pockets are fucked and the straps too.
>inb4 lurk moar

>>763671
Kek

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>>763607
>close to 3kg
>best

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>>782561
>pack riding that low
>mfw

faggot needs to do some squatz so that he has something to hold that waistbelt up

Redwing 50 checking in, love mine.
I can pack a surprising amount of gear if I pack it right, and with the compact size I don't feel the weight since it's well distributed in the hip and shoulder straps. I used to use a large bag but experience has shown me I don't need to carry that much gear. Learning how to bivvy with my hammock where there are no trees has made all the difference.

>>763732
I almost exclusively go /out/ with a large army rucksack, painted black, rather than left in the ACU pattern, to avoid looking tacticool (despite me actually being innaarmy). I can't imagine myself traveling with anything else, holds everything I need, and the weight never bothers me because I have a tree trunk core I guess.

Rothco is usually pretty bad though, just go to eBay and look for the actual rucks pilfered from supply stores and sold as "surplus." Be aware though if you get something like that, and pair it up against the modern equivalent (like the bag in the OP), the modern one will likely be lighter, hold more stuff, and probably just be more comfortable and ergonomic overall, my choice in bag is pretty much just determined by familiarity and the cheap price of surplus stuff.

At the end of the day it's just something to put stuff in, I can go hiking around mountains for a few days and not care about weight, others will disagree though.

>>782577
By the way what exercises would /out/ recommend for carrying heavy stuff for a long time? Jogging, push ups, squats..?

>>763744

>asatru
>molon labe

10/10

>libertarian

Cringe at cuckoldry

>>784077
best thing to do would be to carry heavy stuff for a long time

>>784114
I was expecting that as an answer.

>>775409
>assault weapons

you are a liberal faggot

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What's wrong with external frame packs?

>>784116
Rucking as exercise is hell on your knees man.

>>784135
Absolutely nothing.

>>784077
Actually doing it
Cycling
Tree stance
Squats
Heavy squats
Lunges
Calf raises

>>784135
Pulling this out of my ass. They worked fine for decades, but people prefer internal because it puts the weight closer to your back for better balance and less fatigue? Also trends.

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>>763654
Is the 110 rated for 65lbs?

I've got the 90 and I think it was 45 lb max recommended. I put 55-60lb in it and didn't seem like a good idea so I dropped some weight.

>Ultralight fag chimes in
I was hauling processed deer in the pack along with other camp items. I just dropped some of the camp items since I was coming back later that night.

>>771005
really tempted to buy this, doesn't have molle tho, but seems pretty good.

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Anyone have any experience with eberlestock skycrane 2?

I have some extra money to spend and need a durable backpack, preferably with a lot of storage, and the eberlestock seems pretty good. I'm between that and the Norrona recon.

Or are there better options for that price? Again, something durable, weight isn't as important, and would be nice if it would fit for both personal and military use(thats why I like both Norrona and eberlestock, they both seem to fit military use)

>>785014
Eberlestock is good, but it's kind of reaching that "If you are going to spend this much, why not just spend a bit more?" category. You are talking $499.99, at that point just go one step up for an extra 100 dollars for a Mystery Ranch or a Kifaru.

I find Eberlestock stuff to be really over priced when you start to factor in what else you can buy. Once you are in that category, Kifaru and MR owns the fuck out of everything. The only reason to go Ebelestock is if you are going to use the weapon carry system.

If you are willing to wait, Tactical Tailor has a number of packs in the 500 and under price category at the 80L capacity category. They regularly have 30% off sales on major holidays, you just have to wait around. The Rhino Ruck is on the MALICE Frame (Better Alice Fram System but still not fantastic) but an indestructible pack for 360 dollars is hard to pass up.

>>785029
Thanks for the quick response man, will def look into some other brands.

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Recently purchased this on sale

Any opinions on the osprey daylite?
It's 13L and I wonder if it would be good enough for 1 night camping with a hammock.

>>774841
2 pounds is significant for any distance whatsoever.
This morning I went hiking 10 or so miles and decided to add a normal size rock hammer to my pack.
The extra weight was noticed on the way back.