Camping in Detroit

lawlz

>>730529
I live in Detroit.

There are literal blocks without houses or only have abandoned houses; all that exist are overgrown fields, bushes, and trees in some areas within the city.

>>730590
>fields, bushes, and trees in some areas within the city.
They're called city parks where I'm from

I'd be worried about all the feral crackheads.

howtogetmurdered.mp4

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these guys in skid row had the same idea.

>>730529
Looks like where they film walking dead

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>>730590
>There are literal blocks without houses or only have abandoned houses; all that exist are overgrown fields, bushes, and trees in some areas within the city.

Roughly 40 square miles of the city of Detroit is nothing but overgrown fields of rubble.

Urban camping in Louisiana is popular. I went 2 years ago. Fucking creepy walking through ghost towns. We LARPed The Walking Dead. Was full of autism but fun. I live in Michigan and never considered Detroit. Those abandoned houses are always full of HIV syringes from heroin addicts and crackheads living in there that would stab you in a second.

Detroit looks like the ultimate place for a post apocalyptic city. 10/10 would go urban camping in

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Seems like a nice place to live and grow your kids.

>>730529
Have spent weeks driving around detroit snapping pics. Am currently here again, went to chicago last weekend and now have until friday to fuck around here. Gonna go to Green Dot and Johnny King again and am still trying to figure out a way to get into the train station without going to jail.

You can't even begin to fathom this place until you've come here. It's just mindblowing for anyone who hasn't had any experience with this level of depopulation and urban decay. First time I came here I just drove around for an entire day with my mouth open. I walked into a fucking hospital with patient files and xrays on the floor and random hospital stuff everywhere. An entire hospital. Like they just walked out the front door when it closed. Insanity.

>>730881
dump pics anon.

>>730881
Detroiter here. We hate people like you. Get back in your car and drive off to wherever you came from. Detroit isn't an amusement park for some ignorant asshole like you to take pictures of with your $4000 DSLR. I hope you get mugged.

At least educate yourself on the history so you're not just another dumb urbex photographer. Seriously though, for your own safety don't tell people that you're form out of town and you're here to take pictures of our abandoned buildings.

>>730894
Fuck off.

No, really, fuck off. I love how you fucking people are crying about people coming around to take pictures of broken shit like it's your dead grandmother or something. It's somehow not ok to drive around a city and take pictures of shit cause it makes you sad? I'm not breaking into shit, I'm not taking things, I'm not destroying things. You're sad because people are exploiting (how exactly I'm not sure since I'm getting nothing but my interest in the history) the sad plight of your city, maybe you should be sad about the fact that there are empty fucking skyscrapers in your downtown but there are brand new casinos full of people dropping their paychecks the second they get them.

Go ahead and keep hating on and being assholes to people who are coming into your town and spending money and buying shit and making others around the country aware (and 95% of the people aren't) of the sad state of the place and how this type of place can even exist in today's United States of America, and I'll keep driving around with my $400 DLSR taking pictures of things I find interesting. Like your empty building and empty streets and beautiful gothic buildings downtown and I'll continue knowing more history about the area than most and not give a flying fuck about what you have to say.

>>730894
Just to clarify, I've had one person express any displeasure at my "sightseeing" and that was mild at worst. I've also had very nice conversations with three different patrolling security guards about their city and the location I was at and they were extremely helpful and accomodating. The conversations I've had with folks at bars have been pleasant as well. I'm coming to the conclusion that this "we hate anyone looking at our city's decay" attitude is either coming from folks who are mad things fell apart but doing nothing to help it, or folks that are just tryharding with the "We're the D motherfuckas" bullshit that they like to put on t-shirts and sell in hipster markets.

TLDR Detroit is full of a lot of good people that aren't giant assholes like this guy.

>>730990
Yea, most Detroiters I've ever met have all been pretty cool. Technically I'm not from the city, but I was born and raised in Macomb County (roughly 18 miles from the cities center). My parents and their parents grew up in Detroit and I've spent most of my life there experiencing the best and worst the city has to offer. My opinion is torn though. On the one hand, I feel as if it is a private matter, like a family ordeal that should be taken care of behind closed doors. On the other, I am and have been more than welcoming to visitors and tourists of all kinds. More so to those who show their respect and an interest in the history of the city.

>>730980
>>730990
You know what, you're actually kind of right here. I will do something unheard of on 4chan and apologies. My response was not the correct one. I was at work and bored and its easier to be cheeky cunt than it is to actually explain one's stance.

There is no argument that Detroit has an abundance of compelling places to create images. I think what is important is that they are properly contextualized. This does not necessarily have to be done by you but you probably would be interested in the history of the city. Ruin photography walks a fine line between being historical in the way it captures a place in time and being exploitative and superficial in the way it depicts economic and social ruin. Detroit's history is very complicated and I'm not going to get into it her but basically, a lot of (racist) shit happened here that has left many of the poor (black) residents without much of a future. The ruins here are evidence of this. I highly recommend you do some reading into Detroit's history to understand why the city is the way it is. A book that would be very relevant is "The origins of the urban crisis". Give this a read. It will give you a good idea of what went down here.

Also, I think Detroiturbex dot com does a really good job at contextualizing ruin photography. Check it out.

You're totally within your right to take photos of ruin (and you should) but I think you should also understand (not implying you personally don't) the implications that these images have on how "outsiders" view the city. Detroiters are very proud and nothing rustles out jimmies more than some foreign photographer coming here and showing the world their superficial interpretation of our city without really understanding it.

>>731351
More on topic with the actual thread. As a Detroiter and someone who knows what goes down here at night, I would strongly advise against urban camping. Homeless people get away with it because they are homeless but the second whiteboy sets up his Northface tent in the middle of an abandoned suburb, they will be noticed and quickly shown how unwelcome they are. Its not even really a race thing. I would be pretty pissed if someone was camping near my rundown home "for fun" while im struggling to feed my family and my fucking roof is leaking and fucking wild dogs keep trying to kill my fucking kids. Its cold AF in the D.

>>731351
I get kinda the same way when I hear people say "Chiraq" because most of the city isn't like that. And the little hoodrat kids that call it "Chiraq" are the same stupid fucks who will kill somebody and be killed before they are old enough to legally buy booze.

>>730980
This, fuck Detroiters desu

They either take pride in how shitty it is even though the crime rate forced them and their families to to crappy suburbs like Warren, Southgate, or Hazel Park, or they say that Detroit isn't any more dangerous than any other American city and that it's totally normal to have 90% of the city off limits to even drive through safely, for your car or house to be burglarized multiple times, or not stopping at lights in most of the city at night for fear of being carjacked.

>>731360
This exactly what I'm referring to here>>731351

So many people have the wrong idea about Detroit which "ruin-porn" plays a small role in. Like anywhere, you have to go there (preferably live there) to really understand what its like. Keep in mind, you only hear an exaggerated version of the bad things that go on in Detroit. Yeah, a lot of really shitty people live here but that's not the whole story so don't imply it is.

>>731364
Well, in everyone else's defense, Detroit does have a homicide rate above most of Central America.

Then again, I spent a lot of time in New Orleans as a kid, and I never once felt scared.

>>731376
NO is great in the rich areas.

>>731379
From what I can tell, there wasn't much thought put into urban planning, and there's no part of town that isn't relatively close to violent poorfags.

Or at least that's what my family there tells me.

>>731364
Detroit's ghettos are another animal compared to the ghettos I've seen persinally in Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Boston, and Seattle. So many vacants and bulldozed blocks that are now filled with overgrown vegetation and trash. Giant patches of nothing in the middle of the city. It's the worst of urban and rural perils, you're in a city filled with crackheads and lowlifes but with the empty blocks there's nobody there to hear your screams when shit goes down, and the cops are terribly understaffed and take forever to respond.

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Buy one of those 100 dollar houses and tell us how it goes

>>731438
This is when you build killdozer V2. and unleash the beast in these ghetto parts of town.

Seriously. why is it so hard for a government to say.

"alright you niggers, there is no outside activity from 8PM to 8AM none leaves their house if you don't like this, you've got 3 days to pack your shit and leave the city as of this notice. everyone's house will be warrant to drug and illegal gun and weapon searches. you get in our way and we will not hesitate to blow your face inside out."

Seriously. Treat that shit hole like fucking Iraq during desert storm, there is no fucking difference really. expect you aren't blowing off hijabs, you're removing ghetto trash from the gene pool. send the god damn army in that place. Fully staffed, armored shit and everything. 30mms on top of strykers and 24/7 FLIR UAV surveillance over the city. you do this shit right, and don't let the shit back in unless it can afford to do so. things COULD get better.

but nah. the US only wants to do this kinda shit in OTHER country's shitholes..

>>731559
You should remove yourself from the gene pool

>>731559
Who are you so angry at and why?

I like Detroit, the thought of a Mad Max tier dystopia going on in the middle of a powerful country like the United States is oddly entertaining

>>731351
>Detroiturbex dot
just spent some time looking at that website. woah.

>>731351
I do know a fair bit of history of the city and I'm neither an idiot about how I go about getting the pictures I take nor am I an idiot about how I treat the areas I'm in.

I appreciate the extra bit of thought you put into this conversation though. My fiance lives in Ann Arbor and her family was and still is heavily involved in the auto industry and UAW here and so I get to hear quite a bit about Detroit and the surrounding areas, and to me the entire area is awe-inspiring in a lot of different ways. When I first drove around the city I could only liken it to how I would feel overlooking a ww1 battlefield (I know that sounds extreme) but the detached feeling of history and emotion I imagine I would get there was all I could verbalize it as.

The only place I really felt like I was in danger in was out in Highland Park. There are blocks out there on the east side of the highway that I drove through just begging my car not to break down or get a flat and sites I wanted to explore there that I just knew were a very bad idea. I also understand why urbex people get a bad rap but I think even in the most extreme cases of shitty behavior by them, it's still pretty unwarranted. I walk through these places that are just destroyed. Like all I can imagine is years and years of graffiti and vandalism and squatting could create those disgusting scenes and people are pissed that some dude broke a door to take some pictures. Doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a door-breaker though, and I approach it like I try to camp. Leave no trace.

>>731559
It seems easy to say shit like this, but like the other guy said, it's pretty fucked up how things went down there and it's pretty shitty to blame the people still there for it. I agree that the city should get smaller and clear out many of the areas where this stuff is happening, but from what I know, the last time they tried to do that they basically said, "you fuckers need to move to other parts of the city, and to help you do that, we're going to give you........nothing. Good luck".

How many people do you know in cities that aren't fucked up like Detroit who could do that. Now add in a ridiculous unemployment rate, and a victim complex (real or perceived) the size of Jupiter and it's just impossible. There are areas where there seems to be a general state of lawlessness and added to those other factors, the crime and violence and decay creates and perpetuates itself. One surprising thing about being there is that you can drive for miles upon miles and never see a cop. At all. I have never been to a city where that is the case.

I did find it interesting that Mexicantown seems to be generally thriving in it's own way and the /pol/ in me tends to wonder why that is and how that reflects of the black population of the city, but I'm sure there are more variables than just race involved there.

>>731364
On the other hand, given that the city now has roughly the population of my hometown (much smaller than it once was) the amount of crime still happening is obscene. Go listen to the online police scanners any day of the week and you will be pretty surprised. It's pretty disingenuous to downplay the crime problem there, to be honest.

>>730884
I shoot all my stuff in .raw so it's all too big to post here. Someday I'll get my shit together and do some resizing for an urbex thread, but at this point I have about 300 gigs of pics so it's gonna be a while. I have stuff from almost every state east of the Rockies at this point.

>>731808
>felt like I was in danger in was out in Highland Park. There are blocks out there on the east side of the highway
can you give some good places so we can do some gmaps exploration?

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>>730529
mfw you can see the ghetto line in detroit

The particular places were east of 75 near the second ebenezer church. There were spots over there where you just felt very isolated and the neigborhoods were either destroyed houses or abandoned houses peppered by houses with packs of thugs sitting on the front porch staring you down and throwing signs and shit.

Also, right next to the famous old train station, that area is pretty sketch at night. The area in front of it is full of hipster bars and restaurants, but behind it looks like a good place to get shot. Honestly, you could easily just overhead map the sit and then start doing street view when you see empty blocks. It's pretty unreal.

>>731853
That's not real, is it? I mean even the parking lot gets darker and less maintained.

>>730894
My dad grew up in dearborn. It is interesting looking around even if nobody in my family has lived there in decades. Imagining how people used to live when it was inhabited.

Its a cautionary tale.

>>730894
You Detroiters sure are a mad bunch. You don't see the remaining residents of Gaylord, Kansas telling people to get out.

>>731351
>I apologise

This is why I love /out/. It's like a quiet corner of 4chan where you can be a little bit less of an arse and not get your shit rekt.

>>730748
So is this pretty much a no-man's land?
completely abandoned?

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Feral pavement apes...can't shoot them for sport, they're a protected species. They tend to be cowardly unless in large packs.

Carry bear spray and backup firearm.

>>731853
Thats a shadow from a cloud

>>730529
>Voting Democrat

>>731887
because faggots like you aren't gentrifying gaylord, kansas

>>730980
highly suggest you do research on the city and the people while you do your abandoned porn stuff. I support people taking photographs of abandoned stuff, and I also find myself often looking at those photos because hell they are interesting. Just read some books to learn about the people behind the stories of those abandoned homes and hospitals etc. Read about the disenfranchised blacks, the laid off factory workers, and the sociology at play in Detroit before you take more photos. People only view the Motor City as abandoned shit because there are never people willing to tell the stories of the failed big three companies that fucked over the city. If anything, Detroiters are just tired and when outsiders come into their city there are skeptical for good reason. You need to listen to them and listen real good before you take their photos. Hell, they might even give you a new view of the beautiful city of Detroit.

While you're at it, there is more to the rust belt than Detroit, literally hundreds of cities with just as interesting historical backgrounds around the area for photography and research.

>>731360
you sound like a suburban white boy.

Fuck off and stay in the suburbs where it is "safe" for you.

>>731376
yah just don't talk about Chicago, Gary or Milwaukee with higher crime rates.

>>731381
NO should never expand their city again. God or whatever the fuck literally showed them that in 2005 that a sprawled city against non-sustainable geological boundaries was a fucking bad idea.

>>731559
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>>731557
>100 dollar homes
>forgot back loans

>>730529
>Detroit is so empty, why not just camp there?

The same reason you can't fall asleep in Fallout when there are enemies nearby.

Reminder that Donald has a plan to make Detroit and Chicago great again

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Well fuck it, google is already developing Skynet.

Some private company funded by america's military industrial complex should just develop and test ED-209 prototypes here

>>732222
checkd and kekd

>>730529
>Detroit is so empty, why not just camp there?
That is precisely the thought that thousands of dogs and homeless folk had.

>>731883
No it's just different satellite images.

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>>732214
>highly suggest you do research on the city and the people

Agree 100%. Seriously, if you live near or in Detroit or if you come here to take pictures, you should read The Origins of the Urban Crisis. Very important book and in my opinion the best chronicle of Detroit's racial disparities and history of decline.

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>>732214
> Read about the disenfranchised blacks

How are they “disenfranchised”? Blacks completely control the city and have done so since 1973, which is when Detroit went down the toilet.

Native wildlife seems too dangerous

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>>731939
> So is this pretty much a no-man's land?
> completely abandoned?

Everything is owned by somebody, even if it’s the city but those houses have people living in them.

>>733293
>those houses have people living in them

Seems you haven't driven around Detroit cause many of them do not. In some neighborhoods it's about 7 to 1 empty/burnt to occupied.

>>733289
I'm curious about this as well. Other than redlining and the "pointe system" blacks enjoyed the highest standard of living in the country in the late 60s/early 70s. Everything I've been able to read about the city says that problems started when whites left the city for economic and social reasons (jobs leaving, not wanting to live near blacks). Blacks did and do have a huge amount of control over the city since the 70s so essentially whites leaving and jobs leaving is what "disenfranchised" them?

I'm honestly asking here. Blacks make up something like 80 percent of the population. I've never understood how a certain group's plight is due to another group leaving. Whites shouldn't have left? Should they have been forced to stay?

>>731559an it's like it would be both constitutionally and morally wrong to shit on your own citizens with say, Japanese internment camps for example. You would think that wouldn't go over so well.

>>731891
Happens on /k/ now and then since a lot of anons tend to keep actual studies and sources for stuff on hand either for the sake of argument or because /k/ hates bad information. Still 70% cunts though.

I do honestly like coming to /out/ to decompress and remember how civilities work ironically

>>733361
The problem is that the years leading up to "white flight" were not a period of equality in Detroit. Black people have always been incredibly under privileged in housing and finding jobs. They could only find the shittiest jobs and were always the first to be laid off. Before the anti discrimination laws, they were paid way less than their white coworkers for completing the same jobs and were segregated from many job opportunities. As for housing, they were only able to afford to live in certain designated neighborhoods (Black bottom, Paradise Valley, Roosevelt Park, the more recent projects) where the landlords, knowing that teir tenants could never find housing elsewhere (read white areas) charged exuberant rent, making it even harder for the black man to make a living.

As for the question of who to blame. The whites who left or the black people who took over? I'm not going to blame one or the other but lets look at why the whites left and what they left behind in Detroit.

Why: Racism. pure and simple. The racists housing authorities dropped real estate value the second a black person moved onto a block. Because of this, white people, working decent blue collar jobs, were forced to leave whether they were themselves racist or not. They could not afford to throw away their homes (which were investments paid for through their hard work) so they moved to the suburbs where their realty investment would not be at risk of being diminished.

What was left: A sprawling city larger than los Angeles with a 5th of the population it once had in its heyday. The tax base is decimated. Good jobs are harder to come by as major industry leaves the city for cheaper alternatives overseas and in other cities. The good jobs that are left are populated by the more affluent white population who make use of the cities extensive freeway systems to live comfortably in the suburbs and commute into the city.

Institutionalized racism is a thing and Detroit is evidence of this.

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>>733515
>TL;DR Version=Its all dem whities faults!

>>730601
You think Detroit can afford to put up the signs for the park?

>>732207
this. plus kwame.

Detroit used to be such a nice, white city.

>>733515
>Institutionalized racism is a thing and Detroit is evidence of this
40 years of massive decline under black leadership and you're still blaming Detroit's endemic issues on "white flight." The white exodus from Detroit was proportionally consistent from 1970 to 2000, roughly 50% leaving each decade. By the 80s black migration to the city had effectively stopped. If white folks were the problem then blacks should have replaced them, but they didn't. That's because the industrial and real estate bubble in Detroit popped, but Coleman Young and four decades of subsequent leadership acted like it never happened. City taxes on both real estate and income remained high, encouraging delinquency and abandonment, dropping values even lower. Detroit isn't evidence of racist systems, it's evidence of racist people and stupid people helming the system.

>>730601
>>733757
Detroit HAS parks, like Grand Circus, Belle Isle, Hart Plaza, etc. There are even large public parks that host the city soccer league. Urban prairie is something else. It's empty lots that nobody does anything with, so it starts turning back into woods.

>>730872
Depends on what part of the city you're talking about. Some parts ARE pretty nice.

>>730881
I'm not saying you're one of these kids, but when people react to you, they're reacting to:
"LE AMAZING POST-APOCOLYPSE WITH ZMOBIIES!!!!! ZOMG!!!l!l LOL! U CANT BELIEB WHAT I SEED!"

The problem is, that's all people hear about. It's all over the Internet, and it's what you see of Detroit on TV. If the only story you're telling about Detroit is ~1967-2010 (white flight, racial tensions, abandoned buildings, economic troubles) then that's what people think it all is.

Detroit has some very real challenges, and a mixture of selfishness, paranoia, xenophobia, and a changing economy have left some seriously deep scars on the city. On the other hand, it isn't 2010 anymore. costs bottomed out, so now, there's new investment. Detroit is rebuilding, because there is now economic incentive to do so.

But, if all you want to do is just go on and on and on about empty buildings, you solidify the shitty attitude of the baby boomers and gen-x types who kept making Detroit worse and worse. And I'm not just talking about white people. It's on both sides of the issue.

>>731322
This is part of it, too.

By the way, I was also born in Macomb County.

>>731557
I've only ever seen it turn out well, actually. It's not without its trouble, but it's always seemed like a great bargain, at the end of the day.

>>731821
There are good black neighborhoods, too. There are still a bunch of black millionaires in Indian Village, like George Barns, who has some kind of medical company.

>>731438
>>731827
Yeah, but police response time has come way down, murder, violent crime, and crime in general are becoming less common. Also, it's easy to single Detroit out, but keep in mind, there are places like Gary, IN.

>>732207
Oh, yeah, because Rick Snyder turned out sooooo much better. He did finally out-maneuver Matty Maroun to get the Gordie Howe bridge started, but on the other hand, he poisoned the city of Flint.

This is why you can't trust the those thieving Dutch bastards from Grand Rapids. Look at Amway. They start a pyramid scheme, and then claim that they're great businessmen. Fuck that! The Bloods on Detroit's West Side at least are honest enough to get rich by selling you real drugs!

>>730529
Jesus Christ. Turn the water off while you do the dishes. Such a waste...

Good lord, I was looking at google streetview in detroit. Emerald ash Borer, E.A.B. everywhere.

>>734060
Yep. It started nearby, in Canton, MI, at the Home Depot on Michigan Ave. Canton, meanwhile, had planted whole subdivisions with nothing but green ash. It was a perfect storm of shitty planning in so many ways.

>>730529

nice vid thanks for introducing me to a new band

>>731559
>Seriously. why is it so hard for a government to say.

because, though the american constitution gets stretched more and more every decade, the country still is not nazi germany.....

>>731834
Look mate, there's no point in shooting raw if you're not going to process it.

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>>731853
>mfw you can see the ghetto line in detroit

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>>734027
>Oh, yeah, because Rick Snyder turned out sooooo much better, he poisoned the city of Flint.

The Flint city council voted to get off the Detroit water system (because the costs are outrageous) _before_ Gov. Snyder appointed a city manger (because the city council are retards).

The appointed city manager's only mistake was accepting the Flint city council's decision without checking to makes sure it was safe.

It was the Flint city council that poisoned residents of Flint, not Gov. Snyder.

>>733353
>Seems you haven't driven around Detroit cause many of them do not.

Those few scattered houses in the pic I posted (>>730748) do have people living in them.

And I've lived in metro Detroit all of my 48 years.

>>734537
German here. PSA: Neither is germany.

>>735239
rede nicht.

>>730529
Dangerous wild apes in the area.

>>735234
Bullshit. If the water from the river had been treated properly, it would have been safe. If Snyder had taken action sooner (and DON'T pretend his chief of staff, a Flint native who wrote an email about what was happening to his mother in Flint didn't say something a long time ago) things wouldn't have gotten so bad. Hell, the GM factory got switched back to Detroit water almost as soon as the water crisis started. Don't give me that bullshit that Snyder did nothing.

Yes, I'm aware that Detroit jacks up the price of water to fuck over Livonia, West Bloomfield, and the rest of the suburbs they see as a parasitic other. But Snyder fucked up the transition. Also, the pipes to Lake Huron for a long-term alternative to Detroit are still being built

It's a city. People live there, and they're trying to fix what's wrong with it. Lawlessness like squatting, no matter how temporary, adds to the very real problems that people face. For example:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/120204288-story

FYI, no matter how many hooligans are mixed in, most Detroiters are actually elderly people, and either too poor or too stubborn to leave.

>>735470
Why not a more elegant solution like >>733346

>>730529
Niggers

>>731351
Good on you for clearing up your anonymous post