Homegrowmen Thread #95

Didnt forget the title this time but I'm still a tripfag-edition.

the corn and pumpkins are doing real good. really took off the last couple days. hoping for a much bigger planting next time. I never have to water it rains every three days.

Im currently replanting all the carrot thinning that I pull up, will report if it actually live, can I do that with beet?

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Does anyone know what this plant is? It popped up one day in my green onions that i was recycling, and so I just left it to grow

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>>1034578
You are using the old pastebin link that isn't updated. Here's the correct link with the non-dead, non-kat links:

https://pastebin.com/4CqXsHFm

Hey /out/ I came here for two things, one, any advice on growing melons and cucumbers? Really new to gardening as a whole. And 2, if I didn't have any nutrients, could I take the leftover plants from thinning out my plants and burn them to use the ash? I know that forest fires put a ton of nutrients into the ground, so maybe it would work? Thanks

>>1034615
>I'm fine with half kg.

Oh, I'm not saying that's a bad t hing. I mean 1/2kg of potatoes every day is a lot of potatoes to be eating regularly! That's like 2 large potatoes or 3 medium ones every day for a year.

>Désirée

Yeah, those do have pretty large yields.

I plant Purple Majesty and Yukon Gold. Yukon Gold has a 1/10 ratio and Purple Majesty has a 1/15 ratio for optimal yields.

>>1034604
>>1034581
As is said a 100 times. Making a new one when the bump limit occurs is both tradition and helps prevent tons of additional threads popping up.

>>1034653
Kek, I just bought my 4th house for less than $15k USD in the middle of a rural town like 1/2 an acre of land (0.2ha). Full basement, 2 floors, spacious finished attic, room for a garden. Land in flyover states is dirt cheap for USA prices. Like $1,500 to $1,800 per acre (0.4ha).

>>1034704
>any advice on growing melons and cucumbers

Trellis them.

> if I didn't have any nutrients

You pee out a great resource for fertilizer. Google, "how to use urine gardening". 10:1 ratio, 10 parts water to 1 part urine. You don't need to use much, so don't go crazy with it. Coffee grounds and coffee water are another great resource for fertilizer. Google is your friend.

>burn them to use the ash

It is better to compost them. Forest fires tend to enrich the soil using charcoal (google: "Terra preta"). The act of burning and releasing certain non-nutrient chemicals causes the germination of a wide variety of seeds giving the illusion of more fertile soil. Ash on the other hand is only used in special circumstances.

>>1034639

Root veggies, aside from tubers, shoot a tap root down into the earth, which expands into the veggie. If the tap root isn't straight, the veggie grows fucked up. That's why I always post pictures of my funky aquaponic veggies. They're still edible, just ugly.

>>1034709

What state did you buy this house in? When the market dips in a few years, I'm planning on snatching up a few acres.

>>1034740
They are also harder to clean when in normal soils. Sometimes some sand/grit gets stuck that you only find when chewing it.

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>>1034574
>>1034578

You don't need to use a tripcode, you faggot. Just make the thread, nobody cares if its you or literally anybody else.

Can anyone recommend veggies I can still so this time of year in zone 6? Knocked down my winter rye cover the other day, have enough compost for several rows or mounds in the area. Days are reaching upper 70's and low 80's, full southern sun exposure. Gut feeling tells me it's too late for things I haven't tried, such as melons, okra, southern peas, bush beans etc. Already have summer squash going in a lower section, can always do more of that.

>>1034889
You can do multiple bush bean crops a season. Summer squash will have plenty of time too.

Any tips for growing in zone 9? wanna grow melons, peppers, and potatoes. Pretty new to growing and don't know much about hardening and stuff

>>1034909
It's disgustingly dry here and gets like 110 or more during the day. I'm starting my own seedlings and I've already killed a few by leaving them in the sun and them not being able to take them in until i get home from work.

>>1034909
It's not too late to start okra, peppers, sweet potato greens

>>1034930
alright, thanks

Northern VA anon here.

Just planted some strawberries and melons.
I also have A pumpkin plant and I renewed my top soil.

How often should I water my stuff? I know melons need a lot of water but idk if I'm gonna overwater them.

>>1034917
Shade cloth.
Water timer or bucket of water with cotton rope in it that's buried along the seedlings.

>>1034985
Stick your finger in the ground. If it is dry, water it. If it is wet, don't water it.

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>>1035054
>bucket of water with cotton rope in it that's buried along the seedlings.

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From top left to bottom right:
Raspberries, blackberries, cassis,
strawberries, lettuce, apple tree,
shit load of peppers,
cucumbers, watermelons (both obscured by the tomatoes)
mortgage lifter tomatoes, random F1 hybrid tomatoes,
even more peppers

Not in the picture:
Cranberries, Wasabi, Cocktail tomatoes, potted cherries.


When did this get out of hand so much?

Also question:
Can anyone here recommend a good tool to trim the grass in pic related? The strips are too small for my regular lawnmower.

>>1035060
>good tool to trim the grass

Weed wacker?

>>1035060
Put down mulch to conserve moisture and kill the grass inbetween your shit?

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>>1035060
Nice garden.

I used rolls of plastic roofing underlayment topped with gravel. Before that I used a weed eater.

well i don't have to mow for a change. Think I'm look for stuff to put in the compost bins. It all degrades down to nothing though. am i doing this right?

>>1035081
Yeah, it is supposed to do that. A pile of grass twenty feet high will give you like 2 inches of compost soil after a few years if you are lucky. The good news is that if you add sand in with the compost, you can start planting pumpkins on it after a year or so. They love super rich soil so long as there's enough drainage.

>>1035062
>>1035069
D'uh. Did not think about the obvious solution. Thanks.

>>1035069
No matter how often this gets posted, this garden is simply spectacular.

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>>1035069
i wouldn't mind something like this. but moving in all that soil whatever, just makes me won't a nap.
>>1035087
thx anon

>>1035091
You are easily impressed if some cinder blocks,gravel,and a truck full of shit gets you going.

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>>1035091
>>1035104
One thing I don't like about it is that it is no longer a "reachable goal" in the minds of a many people who have seen it in its latest stages. Back when it was weedy, more misshapen, and didn't have gravel paths people looked at it as inspiration "shit I can do that and do it better than that!" Now where it has been posted people are saying stuff like, "that's awesome but I'll never be able to do that". Which is the opposite of what I was wanting. I wish people were not like that. The good news is that there have been a ton of people who were inspired by it earlier on who now have really amazing gardens and say their inspiration to try was that garden in particular. And, their gardens have inspired even more people. One neighborhood has a garden revolution going on because of the chain of events and they even successfully lobbied their town to allow vegetable gardening in its ordinances.

The thing is, the better the garden gets, the easier it gets to work in and grow in successfully. The paths help a great deal in keeping crawling pests and weed seeds away as they act like a dry moat/desert.

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>>1035113
What gets you going, anon?

Who zone 5 here

I snibbed my peppers and now only one of them is growing and it ain't growin fast. The others just...sit there. Not dying, but no new leaves.

>>1035117
Unspeakably obscene pictures involving fine French gardens and electric hedge clippers.

>>1035122
Mine are slow growing right now. Nip off any blooms and wait longer. The soils are just now reaching a good temp range. My oldest, which were started indoors a month or more before the snibbed ones I think have finally taken off growing in the past two weeks in a serious manner. You just need to wait for their roots to do their thing most likely.

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>>1035123
Any vegetable versions? The two are usually incomparable, but sometimes someone does something neat.

>>1035113
I'm not talking about the looks, dude. Might have been a bit clearer there. I was talking about how much he packed into such a small space.

>>1035116
>The paths help a great deal in keeping crawling pests and weed seeds away as they act like a dry moat/desert.
That is a serious argument for gravel though. It looks pretty neat, too.

>>1035122
How long since the snibbening?
Maybe you are just impatient. After all, the snip is kind of a "wound" and the pepper needs a while before it starts to grow new shoots.

>implying I have blooms

my family's full of well-endowed gardeners who don't take shit from anybody and I managed to grow up flat, black-thumbed, and weak. I should just kill myself now

>>1035144
about a month

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I'm burning an old closet that was in the way and I am suprised how hot the wood burns. Does anybody know what type of wood this is?

>>1035161
>>>/diy/

>>1035167
Why does that board exist again? Why haven't all the creative hobby boards been merged yet?

>>1035171
>Why does that board exist again?
excessive shitposting

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>>1034687
Thank for updating the link

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>>1035161
Have you tried reading this book?

>>1035141
Ok looking at it that way my garden fucking sprawls compared to pic related.

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reeeeeeeeee! need to btfo white mold in wheatgrass growing on enclosed patio in indirect sun

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>>1035481
wheatgrass growers recommend this mesh bottom tray but it only comes in 10x20 and I use 10x10 but might be able to block off half the tray with a 10x10 and fill the rest in with dirt to get best drainage

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>>1035481
wheatgrass growers also advise soaking seeds in 1/2 cup + 5 tbs vinegar to 1 gallon of water for soaking hard red winter wheat berries to kill mold on seeds as they germinate prior to planting

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>>1035481
Ideal result: no mold, perfect wheatgrass ready for juicing in 7-12 days (7 in summer, 12 in winter)

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>>1034574
Something is eating my hops. I'll post a few photos what I mean.

The leaves are being eaten but it's not aphids. The stems are being eaten as well and it's stunting and killing bines. The local gardener suggested caterpillars but besides the damage I can't see any evidence of them. I've spread diatomaceous earth. What do you recommend?

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>>1035494
2 of 4?

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>>1035495
3 of 4. Notice the stem being eaten and not just the leaves.

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>>1035499
4 of 4. Even the really young leaves are being eaten

>>1035494
to
>>1035501
Probably cucumber beetle. The are in crazy numbers this year all over just about every vine plant here.

>>1035517
I should have mentioned I'm in Washington state. Thanks I'll look into cucumber beetle

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>just noticed I have a semi-large elm tree in my backyard

Well I guess it's time to break out the chain saw

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>>1035545
>Just noticed the semi large elm tree in my backyard
You know, trees typically don't pop up over night anon. Well not unless you are in animated feel good fantastical children's cartoons.

>>1035520
Go out at night with a flashlight and check them for pests.

>>1035545
Wrong thread?

>>1035556
nope, tree is gonna die so it makes sense to cut it down while it's smaller :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_elm_disease

>>1035557
>cutting down all the trees prevents tree disease

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>>1030103
1 week later

>>1035581
grow grow little peppers!

>>1035557
Did you evaluate the presence of the disease in your region and on your tree? I read once that the most spared elms were those that are isolated from bigger elms populations, and that the disease mainly destroyed these big settlements which don't exist anymore (the only things lasting being isolated subjects). That might be a good chance to keep it

>>1035699
Yeah I spoke with the state conversation department. It's everywhere here sadly and the tree only has 5 years left max :/

And joy the emerald ash borer is coming here soon too yay...

>>1035710
It's sad, they are beautiful trees. Since you spoke with someone from the conservation department I imagine you don't take that "lightly", did you consider making it a dwarf tree? I think Ulmus campestris deals quite comparably than Ulmus parvifolia in bonsai, and on this size you can still see elm bark beetle when they try to attack it

>Deleting my post
It's true, though. Many obnoxious garden weeds and diseases come straight off the bus from Asia.

A couple days ago I noticed two or three dozen buffalo treehopper nymphs all clustered on the base of one of my bean vines. I picked them off and have been keeping it under control since then, but that vine's leaves have started to turn yellow, starting at the base and ascending quickly.
Is hope lost?

I figure it's got to be damage from the treehoppers, since if it was a water/nutrient problem the other plants of the same variety right next to it would be showing the same symptoms.

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>>1035861
>three dozen buffalo treehopper nymphs
>three dozen
>one vine

>>1035756
ewwww makes me not want to post here anymore

fuck yourself with a chestnut branch janny

Silly question, but will a cutting of a plant only live as long as the parent plant, or will it's lifespan be extended?

Say if I took a cutting from a 4 year old plant with an average lifespan of 5 years, would the cutting then only live a year, or would it last as long as the original plant? Or say I take a cutting from an annual that's lived for 10 months and is looking like it's going to flower, would that cutting last another year?

>>1035978
It is extended. Some cultivars of apples are 100s of years old and propagated exclusively via cuttings.

It also depends on the plant. Some simply don't take well to cuttings or are.....annuals. As soon as the annual finishes its cycle it dies. You'll be able to extend the cycle more by taking the cutting then adjusting its environment/light/feeding/watering to simulate the earlier part of the year.

>>1035982
Alright cool, thanks a bunch mate.

I didn't see this thread and made my own garden one >>1035962 (don't bump it).
Any tips for getting the wildflower seeds I planted in the compost to come up? And possibly how to make it less ugly?

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How well do you have to clear the ground?
The left half is what I cleared or stared to, and the right is what basically the rest of what I have to clear looks like. Is what I'm doing good enough, I'm just using a hoe to dig up the soil and upturn it.

>>1036027
You can just dig a hole as large as the plant requires then mulch everything else around it.

>>1035988
Check to make sure it is well draining. Compost tends to hold too much water and end up rotting seeds.

>less ugly

Use stone.

>>1036029
It's really fucking sunny at the moment, it's already dried out since I watered it and took those pictures.

>>1036027
not an expert, but i just used a hand tiller and tilled little 4 by 4 inch areas in the yard. seems to work fine.

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>>1031088
One week down and the peppers seem to like or even love their new home, no sunburn (except for the one single store bought plant, wtf?) this time and a little growth. Started fertilizing today.

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>>1036169
Btw sun burn:
This guy just got a fuckin' purple tan while other peppers lost a few leaves to a particularly scorching afternoon.

>>1036169

What are you going to do with all those peppers?

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The reddening is here! (Upper Rhine German with the potted peppers, Cayenne being one of them)
Weird how it only happened to some of the still very short fruits (~2cm), while the longer ones (up to ~8cm) are atill all green

>>1036174
I (>>1036192) will dry and powder most of them (both hot and bell varieties), to use as spice.
Hot pepper powder to spike things up, bell pepper powder I love for chicken leg coating. But I also eat some of the bells raw

>>1035552
>feel good
>not knowing the little sister died
anon, i...

>>1034909
Zone 8b just above you reporting in
Kind of late to be planting much in the way of seedlings, but stuff like beans, peas, squash and peppers will still do well.

Also, if you want to REALLY test out your green thumb, now is THE time to start growing berries from seed to see what germinates. Strawberries, blackberries, blueberries-if they produce fruits around this time, the seeds are meant to be planted around this time too so as to have a viable plant ready to go next season.
Admittedly, this is not the way to go if you want huge, market-ready looking plants. But if you want taste and stuff that adapts to your region, it's what grows readily and doesn't require heaps of care.

>>1036259
That's Totoro, not Grave of the Fireflies.

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>>1036192

>>1036285
Seek help.

Hey gents,
I saw a thread in /k/ of all places about plants and one of the questions there got me thinking about neglect tolerant plants.

I want to try to put together list of food plants that grow well even if no one is actively caring for them. I'm focusing mainly on perennials that can be harvested without destroying the plant. We'll work out the formating as we go along but the basic info that would help are:

*Your location
*Brief description of your climate/biome
*The plant(s) name (binomial if you've got it)
*Why you think it should be included
*If you've personally grown the plant or if the info you give in anecdotal
*Anything else you think is of note about the plant.

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SUNDAY UPDATE

Everything seems to be doing really well. It seems the 3 bird house gourd plants in the 1st row have plans on taking over the world.

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>>1036363
>It seems the 3 bird house gourd plants in the 1st row have plans on taking over the world.

They have rivals. Pumpkin Hill has started to spill into the yard and is marching its way towards the gourds' territory.
The insect netting still hasn't arrived (ordered it over a month ago.) The brassica are being hard hit with moth caterpillars. I'll be picking them off en masse later this week.
The sunflowers are 5 feet tall now.

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>>1036365
•The tomatoes are amazing. It is going to be back breaking work harvesting them. There's just so many and they are really packed into every nook and cranny.
•Luffa sponge flower buds are finally starting to take shape.
•The first water melon has just started swelling up.
•The garden of clay is still begging for mulch. Slugs and isopods are no where to be found now that the rainy season has passed on.
•The turkeys are getting bigger and have a taste for shoes. The broilers were butchered this weekend. It seems I was sold some bantum chicks disguised as broilers...

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>>1036370
I thinned out the wild-most row of tomatoes a tiny bit by cutting a baker's dozen suckers from them. I planted them this past week. They are doing well for the most part and should grow into nice plants. I'm using bedsheets as makeshift shade cloths for the next week or so.

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>>1036371
Here's a peek into the tomatillo thicket. The plants are around 4 feet tall. I've never seen them that tall or this densely fruited.

>>1036361
>*Your location
>*Brief description of your climate/biome

Zone 5

>*The plant(s) name (binomial if you've got it)

Most nut/fruit trees, berry bushes, berry briars. Everything from walnuts to apples to blackberries to blueberries. There's a massive list really.

>*Why you think it should be included

They are all plant and forget, can produce heavily, and are relatively easy to harvest without harming the plants.

>*If you've personally grown the plant or if the info you give in anecdotal

I have them all on my farm and then some. I just wish I had more.

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>>1036361
>Far West Texas
>Zone 8a

Ziziphus jujuba
Grown and anecdotal
Drought tolerant, winter hardy in my area, re-sprouts and forms new trees from roots easily.

Grows on abandoned and bulldozed lots without aid.

Produces a lot of fruit when well watered but will still produce some in drought. The fruit can be left on the branch to dry without issue and tastes like apple fresh or dates when dried.

>>1036361
Middle-south Texas.
I don't know. Hot?
Sweet potatoes.
They spread on their own, and in my experience can survive no care. Their leaves usually get filled full of holes from pests, but they produce so many that the damage doesn't kill the plant, so the tubers can still be harvested.
I've grown it twice so far. First intentionally, and then most recently after a bunch of discarded vines I had buried in a corner of the garden ended up sprouting completely on their own after winter passed.
If you tend to the plant a bit such that the leaves don't get chewed to hell by pests, you can actually eat the leaves and vines as well as the roots.

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>>1036385
Forgot common name, Jujube.

>>1036378
Your area sounds pretty damned bountiful.

Mulberry
Morus spp.

Grown and anecdotal
Drought tolerant, often planted as an ornamental.

I've seen it growing on abandoned lots and abandoned ranch houses in the middle of nowhere.

There are many non-fruiting trees that have been planted as shade trees in cities across the area. It's a bit harder to find fruiting varieties in town but they exist. The fruiting varieties leave behind a lot of berries on the ground and can be messy. Both types will destroy concrete with their roots which spread out at near ground level and both can cause bad allergies with their pollen. Fruit tastes awesome though

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>>1036392
Last one for now, don't want to push something if there's no interest.

Prickly Pear
Opuntia spp. (but fuck Chollas)

Grown and anecdotal (fuck Chollas).

It's a cactus, drought tolerant as fuck and very cold hardy. Grows wild in many areas and grown as an ornamental too.

They can be propagated from seed or from just dis-jointing or cutting off a pad and leaving it on top of moist (or dry) soil undisturbed for a couple of weeks.

The fruit and young pads are edible. I've never tried the pads but they are used in some mexican cooking and can often be found in the produce section in the south western IUS. The fruit are tasty but full of seeds. If you're harvesting yourself you must burn off the small hair like spines or they will make your life suck.

There are a lot of Opuntia species and they all have edible fruit. But Cholla are the devil, fuck them.

>>1036398
>don't want to push something if there's no interest
Bear in mind that /out/ is generally a slow board.

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>>1036402
Yeah I know, but I also don't want to flood the board either. I'll check back in a few hours and see whats up. I don't want to wast a post soo...

Common Fig
Ficus carica

Personal and anecdotal

Seems to hold up well to drought and our winters. I often seem them on the edge of peoples yards but I've yet to meet some one who actually watered them.

They are very difficult to propagate from seed but can be grown from green-wood cuttings pretty easily. Takes a few years for them to start to fruit when doing this though.

Depending on the variety you can get one or two crops a year. Some people have a hard time figuring out when they are ripe, easiest method I've found and to watch the fruit: if it's starting to droop then its time to pick it. They don't last long after picking so either eat them within the next few days or learn to preserve them. Also birds will be a huge competitor for the fruit. Some trees smell funny (almost like cat pee?) but I've yet to figure out why some do and some don't.

>>1036363

Could you draw a diagram of your garden layout? I'm pretty impressed with the amount of healthy plants you crammed into it.

>>1036361
You're talking Permaculture, in case you were curious. The other tag you want is Permies (folks into permaculture) also Food Forests.

Zone 4-5 (depending on year)
Stupidly cold mountains
Jerusalem Artichokes, strawberry spinach, American hazelnuts.
They're all damn near indestructible.

Strawberry spinach seeds like mad. Can overwinter and keep right on growing. Hot tolerant.

Sunchokes will grow like weeds in any soil, even clay shit. You can also weave the stalks into a fence. They are semi pliable while green and then stupidly stiff when dry.

American hazelnuts are immune to pretty much all the blights. They do throw less than their European cousins but are very easy to propigate.

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Pulling 4 salads a day from the lettuce, mustard green, spinach bed. Mustard greens keep trying to bolt on me.

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I got a few questions

Is it unwise to plant mogette beans as soon as I harvest the potatoes? Is it gonna tire the soil?
Do you guys usually harvest all the potatoes at once or take some from time to time based on your needs?
Usually I harvest a row or 2 and once I deplete all the potatoes I harvest another one, but I did notice last year that a few tubers (>10 total) had been eaten by some sort of larvae
Do I put the tubers at risk the longer I leave them be in the ground?

>>1036483
After planting the indoor-raised plants, it was literally just, "ohh, there's a bare spot" *plants more seeds*. The main problem is getting enough light into the plants. The use of the cattle panels allows there to be 3 zones. The high ones go on the cattle panel, the mid-range where the shorts stuff is (nasturtium), and the bottom where unsupported vines spill out into the pathways. The really tall light blockers (sunflowers) are on the extreme north end. The tomatoes in that first row have been kept clean of all suckers below the cattle panel. This is somewhat similar to the 3-Sisters Method (corn, beans, and squash all grown right on top of each other.)

Space fillers like onion sets will only grow where there is enough light and many of them get drowned out in beds with the indoor-raised plants. In the beds where seeds or potatoes start, the onions do better since there's more light for a much longer amount of time. I just thin them out by eating them every day. The tomato plants, in the 3rd row, get thinned out a bit by removing some of their suckers, but they are generally wild. That helps light and air reach further into the plants. Every time I sucker the tomatoes, I plant the suckers so they grow into even more tomato plants.

As for a diagram, just think of it as a makeshift "square foot garden" method that utilizes more vertical space. The beds are aligned nearly north-south so only a portion is ever in the shady north.

>>1036410
It is a bit of a combination of gardening and foraging really. "Planned foraging" sorta. With that in mind, look up all the edible greens in your local area, collect their seeds then plant them. Most of their seed goes to seed-eating birds, planting them will vastly increase the numbers of the tastier wild greens in the area. They will be able to reseed themselves even more, though after 10 or so years they will start to return to normal numbers. It is kind of like topping off a battery when you plant their seeds. There's so many seeds and they have soil-storage lives of 5-20 years depending on the type that you can have plants popping up each season just because of the first planting. So, you can get tons of greens in that manner. That's why you don't have "weeds" in many places until the soil has been disturbed in gardens. It brings up more seeds to the zone where they can germinate.

That's what I do with my gardens. I sprinkle every square inch of soil with edible green weed seeds. Then the only weeding I do is also for food.

>>1036512
Does the mustard get sour/bitter when it bolts? I know some things don't, but god damn, Romaine lettuce tastes like bad battery acid after it bolts.

>>1036559
You can replant immediately, however, adding something back to the soil is a good idea. You have wooded lots in the area. Take a bucket and a rake then rake up the top 1 inch of humus from the woods. Spread that like mulch on your garden and plant as normal. Between seasons, it is optimal for fertilizer-work ratio to add 2 inches of composted material to your garden soil.

>harvest all the potatoes at once or take some from time to time based on your needs?

That depends on your storage methods. Potatoes need a cool dry place that isn't too dry. The balance of humidity is a concern because they will either start sprouting or shriveling up. Of course, you should always "season" your potatoes before eating them by allowing them to sit in a cool dry location with lots of air flow. This increases their flavor (an absolute must for sweet potatoes before eating!) and thickens there skin. Then you can put them into a more crowded storage area. If you do not have the space or location for this, you can keep them in the ground. Sometimes they will sprout again and send up plants, though that depends on your season and the potato cultivar.

>Do I put the tubers at risk the longer I leave them be in the ground?

You will always lose some to pests or freezing if it gets cold in your area. Typically, people mulch over with straw and that prevents freeze damage. I suggest you look up "garbage can root cellar" or "barrel root cellar". After you've seasoned your tubers you can put them into that and cover it with a bale of straw for winter storage. Remember that controlling humidity can be a concern and properly seasoning your potatoes and sweet potatoes is a must before putting them into long term storage.

>>1036577
>"seasoning"

I should have used "curing" because while both words are correct, googling "seasoning potatoes" can be a bit of a problem. lol So, google, "curing potatoes" instead. Using the word, "seasoning," in this respect is a colloquial use It think.

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This plant invited itself to my vegetable garden. Could anyone help me with an id? Friend or foe? Thanks!

>>1036635
Update -- I think it's Jimson Weed. Wonder how it got there? If I'm right, it's poison and invasive, despite the pretty blooms.

>"Jimsonweed in the garden may need to be pulled by hand (wear gloves), or sprayed with an herbicide, like glyphosate, due to the alkaloids it releases from its roots – these compounds are very dangerous to many other plants." -- https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/weeds/jimsonweed-control.htm

Uh oh, it's growing right next to a tomato and chamomile. Beyond pulling it out, should I be concerned for the other plants/my health?

>>1036649
Don't drink it in a tea. Honestly, if it's that close to your food plants I'd pull it.

>>1036575
They get stronger tasting. Not bad, just much stronger. I use Mizuna's not the giant curled or India ones. All mustard greens are insanely prolific, Mizuna are enough. Planted one of the Indian breeds once... completely overrun with them, like rhubarb style.

>>1036635
>>1036649
>datura seeds have been refusing to germinate for half a year now
>see this
I'm trying my best to contain my anger.

Anyway, it's in the nightshade family, just like tomatoes, peppers, potatoes and a whole bunch of other stuff, and just like all of those it's extremely poisonous when ingested. I guess some of the tomato seeds you sowed were actually datura. If you don't want it, you can pull it out, but it won't do anything to your plants and as long as you don't eat any part of the datura, or any green part of your tomato plants, you won't die.

>>1036722
Have you tried lightly sanding them and soaking them in water before planting?

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>>1036169
>>1036173
>>1032291
Update to the Wasabi plant. Looks like it likes it's new home.
Pic related.

>>1036737
Nope, never thought scarification would be necessary. Too late to do so now, but maybe they'll germinate next year after the winter. I got them off eBay so maybe they're just a bit older and will take more time. I have enough other seedlings to take care of at this point anyway.

>>1036749
I weed like 50-100 of them out of my garden every year. They may need stratification.

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>>1036192
Also a pic of the ones I planted out. Still taken a bit aback from the sunburn in March/April, plus maybe they don't like the mostly clay soil too much (other nightshades such as potato, tomato and as a weed S. nigrum do excellently in there though), but will have to do

>>1036835
What kind of fertilizer do you use?

>>1036838
Aside from the compost I mix under (just a drop in the bucket though, 1-2 m^3 on 300 m^2), mineral one before planting, NPK 8/5/8+trace metals.
I can exclude soil being too salty though and burning roots

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>Caramel Bulk Jolokia
It's really beefing up.

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>>1036849
And 2 more are starting to produce flower buds, I hope they'll all be in time to grow at least a few edible peppers.

>>1036635
>>1036649
It is only a problem when it grows up to be massive. It may work well as a trellis for cucumber plants, but will shade other plants a great deal.

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>>1036842
How often do you fertilize? How hot and sunny is that place? Is the soil as hard and packed as it looks?

>>1036849
Beautful growth, man.
>>1036852
Yeah don't worry. When they start to flower, fruits will follow really, really soon.
pic related, mine started way too early, before I noticed it, it already had fat fruits dangling.

>>1036897
Cheers man, I hope you're right.

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My greenhouse had some massive holes in its walls and I had no plastic to patch it up.
So instead I used a trash bag and a square cut out piece of tin.
How does it look?

>>1036568

Thanks. I picked up Square Foot Gardening a few years ago, and only opened it once. I garden in a similar method to you, but not nearly as efficiently. Part of the problem is poor native soil quality, making it difficult to find several plants to compliment each other. For example, I can grow beans and gourds, but not corn.

is there an /out/ seed exchange, or anyone interested in helping others get seeds in exchange for postage? (talking continental US)

depending on how well things grow this year, I might have some I'd be happy to trade

How bad are rodents?

>>1036897
Just fertilised once in the beginning so far, but plan to give a little more later on
It's in full sun, but given the location (Germoni), hot days (30+) have only really started in late May, that's when growth started picking up.
Soil is only really hard on the "paths" between the rows, I had loosened it before planting but it recompacts a little over time.
But it's normal to ripen late here, last year I had only bell peppers, and the first fully red one came in mid-August, main harvest being September, then it gradually slows down until the first frost hits around mid-November

>>1037223
What would you be interested in trading? I have a large supply of unused seeds as well that I could probably exchange.

any tips on how to sprout a mango seed in moderate climate?
I had like fifteen tries, tried everything I could find on google and still no dice. Is it just too cold?

>>1037101
Doesn't look too bad for a quick patch job. Would you mind telling me a bit about your greenhouse? I'm thinking of building one for my father.

>>1037105
I don't use native soil in the raised beds. I build mine from compost and course sand. The compost is mostly horse manure, chicken manure, urine, kitchen scrapes, and yard waste from mowing.

>>1037239
Seed Heat Mat
Mini-greenhouse

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>>1034574
Does anybody know how to stratify the seeds of apricot and cherry, so do i just put them in refrigerator or do i need to put soil with them do they need to be wet and how long does it take. Pic related i took the apricot seed from pit

>>1037225
There was that time they almost ended humanity. But some are cute.

>>1037225
They ate all my beans last season.
Now I always make sure to have traps set in my garden at all times.

>>1037239
I just germinated three last week. I've found the easiest way to be to take the seed out of the shell, wrap it in a wet paper towel and put it in a ziplock bag, then wait a couple of days and you should see a big root starting to develop. After that you can just put it 1cm below soil surface. Keep them indoors, although you can probably put them outside in summer, too.

>>1037365
How big do they have to get to fruit? Can they be kept in a container like a lemon tree?

>>1037376
No idea, my oldest one is about five years old now, but it doesn't look like it will flower anytime soon. Honestly true tropical plants flowering indoors is extremely rare, people just grow them because the idea of it is pretty cool. Even then, when you grow from seed, there is no guarantee the fruit will taste as nice (or as bad) as the parent, because all seeds have different genes. On top of that, many tropical plants (probably including mangoes, though I'm not sure) have male and female plants, so you'd need at least two to pollinate flowers if you ever get them. If they aren't both male or both female. Lemons live in mediterranean climates, so they have a better chance of flowering and setting fruit indoors.

You can keep it in a container no problem. Don't expect it to grow very tall, every once in a while it puts out a new round of leaves which grow extremely fast, after that it's dormant again until the next round of leaves.

>>1037328
Soil isn't needed. You can just toss them in a bag and put them in a place to forget in your fridge. As for the specifics, I recommend googling the information for each seed type.

>>1037405
OK, thanks. I already have an avocado going, I'll stick with that for my fancy tree that will probably never produce.

>>1037234
I'm hoping to have strawberry, cucumber, bell pepper, grape tomato, cantaloupe, pumpkin, and sunflower seeds....again, if everything goes well

I'd be looking for peas, other varieties of sweet peppers, maybe some mild chiles, other varieties of tomatoes, and maybe some others I was considering, but cannot remember right now
one of the interesting problems seed banks have is that they have to regularly grow out their entire stock every few years in order to maintain....I had that problem with the pepper seeds I had left, pretty sure they all ended up being duds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYkLEpHU0Q

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>>1037233
>Just fertilised once in the beginning so far, but plan to give a little more later on
I would bet that is your problem, I fertilize twice a month. i use pic related, shouldn't be too different from what you said you use.

>It's in full sun, but given the location (Germoni), hot days (30+) have only really started in late May
Full sun can even hurt your peppers, mine even got burned a little
I'm in Germany, too.

>But it's normal to ripen late here
Yeah no. While September is the main harvest for me as well, the cultivar and espcially when you STARTED is more important. See >>1036897

I would recommend you to fertilize more regularly, most bottles tell you how often.

Also you said you put them out really early?
Maybe they took a hit from a cold night which stunted their growth?

>>1036918
If not I'll share my harvest with you, lol.

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What's wrong with my avocado tree lads?

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>>1037532
I really doubt the soil is underfertilised, that's almost never a problem in general for plantouts (different story for potted ones!), most people rather overdo it. But as I said they will eventually get some extra when they've grown a bit more
And yeah I already started them in late January, but messed up the hardening process (desu couldn't be arsed to drag out gradually putting them outside the sun for 0:30, than 1, than 1:30... hours/day stretched over a month or so, too big of a hassle, so I rushed it a bit), so they got burned upon planting, I must've underestimated the weak late March sun at 50°N (UV index 4-5ish tops back then)
And yeah, they got exposed to -3°C on soil level during that one late frost on 20th April but somehow all survived it (at least those that didn't get killed by sunburn earlier). Had I kept them inside even longer, I would've had to repot them all (were in those plastic "six packs") and run out of space indoors, plus harden them even more carefully as the sun got stronger.
Also yeah, I'm expecting Cayenne hot peppers in July (as said above, already got some from my potted ones), the bells just take longer

But meh, now they're growing fine (see comparison pic, two weeks), should've given a bit more water though as it's not raining a lot here lately (did so today)

>>1037597
Well then they maybe got stunted by the frost, killed a few roots, etc.
Mine got burned as well because I was a bit too overcautious with the hardening process, but they came back in force, lost a bit of progress though.
Same with the ones in the bed. Had to postpone their transplanting to allow for more time to harden them off.
Well, every year is a learning process.

Misunderstood your post then. Glad to hear they grow fine now.

>>1037593
It's dead, Jim.

>>1037593
What zone are you growing? From my understanding, they don't like temps below 20°C, so you can't plant them anywhere not strictly tropical

>>1037605
Fug, what'd I do wrong?
>>1037609
California. Everyone grows them here.

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>>1037597
>>1037602
>(did so today)
Meant watering of course, still no rain in sight
>tfw have to apply 100+ litres on most of my crops and ornamentals daily right now, rain tank almost empty
Fuck those droughts, last year half of the shoots on many rosemary(!) shrubs that I had planted over a year earlier had dried up. Thought "well they are Mediterranean, so they should have long enough roots by now to not need additional watering if it's a little dry", so this year I'm watering them too every week or two

>>1037307
took only a few days to build, not very big but it does the job
I used 2x2 boards for the frame and 2x6 boards for the foundation. It has a few interesting additions such as a simple house air vent for ventilation on the top, as well as a small hinged door/window on the top above the door (visible in photos) for when I really need to cool it down.
I built it last year and didn't use the proper plastic, its just plastic i got from work used for keeping paint off things. not sure of the thickness, but it did the job until winter came and completely tore it to bits.
This year I used a shower curtain liner for the roof, and i think it's going to work really well.
The way I have the plastic attached to the walls is with 1/4 inch x 2 inch pieces of board stabled through the plastic (held between the frame and 1/4 inch board) into the wooden frame.
not much to it really, and its retardedly heavy.
Right now i have it buried a foot down in a sandbox with wooden walls to keep the sand from falling onto it, as visible in the pictures.
its really easy to pull the 1/4 inch boards off, just a flathead screw drive and a couple gentle tugs will pull it off.
I'm planning to rebuild it this month with cheap shower curtain liners, i paid $5 for the part on the roof. The only concern i have is how clear the liners are, kinda worried the sun might reflect through it at a bad angle and burn the plants (like a magnifying glass effect), so i think ill pick up some shade cloth/mesh to tack over the front and roof of it.
If there's any part youd like a photo of, like the inside, let me know and ill upload a couple.

Last week we had 45 MPH winds here and it knocked down all of my shallots.
I assumed that they would stand back up on their own but they clearly cant manage it.

I tried to help one plant up today but all i managed to do was rip 2 off out of a bunch of 7,

They are still growing ok.
Should i just leave them laying down and see what happens.

>>1037365
I tried that like seven times and the most I got it turned slightly green and stayed that way for a couple days before turning brown and getting mold.
I tried with different degrees of wetness, tried to put it in a somewhat warm place that would stay that way throughout the day.

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>>1037307
>>1037631
took some photos for you
you can see the foundation and the window I put in here, with a simple chain lock to keep it held in.
Also, forgot to mention in first the first post, for the excess plastic on the bottom I rolled it up in the 1/4x2 board and stapled it to the foundation (which can be seen in the picture).

>>1037640
Leave them, they will never stand up again. But, they will send up more leaves to take their place. Nearly all my onions are dog eared. It is only a problem is there's a hollow leave that has broken open and water/rain can pool inside it.

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I didnt know cutting beet root would give me tiny root juice, it smell so delicious, can I suck the juice out of the root when I thin them?

>>1037671
Yes, but use a juicer, if all you want is juice.

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I have an Avocado seed started, been growing for a few months now.
It has a really nice root system, but the problem is that the tree itself isn't even growing, just a small less than 1 inch sprout has come out and hasn't seemed to grow a bit over the past month.
I thought it may be from not enough light, but I'm not so sure.
What am I doing wrong?

>>1037689
No idea why the picture is sideways, sorry about that.
But you get the idea.

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>>1037689
Here's a picture of the sprout itself.
(Probably going to be sideways again..)

>>1037689
>>1037692

Hold your phone horizontally, you fucking newfag.

Other than that, everything looks good. You can plant it now if you want. Just bury the seed 2/3-3/4 of the way so that a little bit is sticking out, and treat as you would any plant.

>>1037705
yeah I was planning on putting it in some soil this week
>Hold your phone horizontally, you fucking newfag.
I never post pictures from my phone, so I wouldn't know lul
thanks for the info, shouldn't the sprout be much taller by now? i've seen images of other peoples and by now theirs would +6 inches with this much root.

Started some sweet potato slips from tubers I grew last year. 3 weeks later, I have a lot of growth, except the leaves are all yellow. Does this have to do with light, or is it some sort of fungal disease? Feel confident that if I put them outside like this, they would die within a day. Any advice would be appreciated.

>>1037713
it could very well have to do with light. I would put them outside, if they're not getting enough light to begin with i doubt they'd get the energy to heal themselves properly (if they do).
What zone are you in?

>>1036268
Totoro is still kinda fucked up, not a feel good movie after the first 30 min

>>1037728
Totoro is feelgood as hell, what are you on?

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Does anyone know the best way to dry peonies so I can retain the most flavour/fragrance for use in teas and wine brewing?

>>1037733
There is a wealth of info for "drying flowers for tea" on google.

>>1037768
What do you think this thread is for, shithead?

>>1037774
Growing plants and farming animals outside. Not >>>/ck/ things you can easily google.

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>>1034574
Three week old Maple seedling

>>1037779
I had a wee tiny maple like that; grown from seed. It is about 2 feet wide now and 20-30(?) feet tall. It is nearly 30 years old. It is all by itself and being taken care of the entire time, so its been growing like crazy when compared to the ones that are much older and smaller in the woods nearby.

>>1037789

get out of here old man

>>1037795
All the oldfags of 4chan were your age when they first came to 4chan. You will never leave here.

>>1037707

Plants are literally biologically programmed to grow in dirt. Think about how a plant operates in nature, free of human interference, and replicate that to the best of your ability. If you're worried about the stalk coming up, it won't hurt to put it into dirt.

>>1037817
Yup, I put it in some dirt today, I've just been waiting to see if the stalk would come up while still in water before I do. Thought it was just kinda strange seeing how much root was coming out but nothing on the stalk.

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Can I introduce these worms into my worm composter? I live in south texas and have a worm composter that I set up myself a year ago and filled with worms from digging. Would these nightcrawlers survive? Would they reproduce and become dominate in the composter? Do I have to worry about introducing new species that are within the worms or dirt they carry?

The worms are the same size as a nightcrawler, I don't know the exact species. They were sold as "glow worms". Does this mean they are a genetically modified species or are they just coated in glowing green substance?

I am just looking for a bigger composting worm and since I have these left over from fishing I was figuring I could use them...

>>1037825
avocados are slow as hell, you'll get used to it

Some of my tomato branches have yellow spots on their leaves.
Is it fungus? Should I cut the branches off?

>>1037835
post pic. It may be fungus or it may be sun exposure.

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>>1037836

>>1037839
that looks like early verticillium wilt to me. Not much you can really do :\

>>1037839
>>1037841
It looks rather like sunburn to me

>>1037831
yeah, i think im starting to figure that out lol. I've had it in water for... Gee, 4 months now? I've lost track of time with that thing.

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Hey guys I am a newbie who wants to get started gardening for fun, where should I start? Should I get seeds from walmart or find something in the wild? What should I start with?

>>1037328
Basically most people in my area recommend planting in the fall. About an inch or two. You can mulch with leaves or clippings. They'll stratify over the winter.

Specifically cherry. Dry. 12 weeks in the freezer then plant in potting soil. If your hoping to get it outside before winter good luck. It'll need protection. Generally speaking most stone fruit will respond well to this treatment.

If you're impatient. Separate them into 6 sets and pull one set out of the freezer every 2 weeks. Not sure how many trees you want but this will get you a few as quickly as possible.

You can also try taking off the seed covering before freezing but it has mixed success rate.

>>1037314

That's exactly my problem, though. Underneath the beds is nothing but sand, and I've added quite a bit of clay to the beds. Any organic material or fertilizer gets all of the nutrient washed out. I would focus strictly on aquaponic/hydroponic if not for the inherent limitations.

>>1037861

It's too late, don't even try. Go back to /cgl/.

>>1037861
I'm new too, as of this year (aside from some indoor plants like bamboo and 2 small potted trees - a meyer lemon and a cocktail grapefruit tree).

I'd suggest starting with tomatoes. They grow really easily and you get tasty fruit out of it. Find a variety of tomatoes that you like (ie cherry tomatoes), then go out and procure the seeds. Find something to plant the seeds in. I bought a small jiffy plant tray, it worked for me. Over time the seeds sprout and start to grow. By that point you'll be having loads of fun and can figure out the rest yourself.

>>1037861
Flowers, leafy ornamentals, food crops, or ...?

>>1037828
not all worms like to live in compost - those look like they're sold as catfish bait so they're not necessarily ideal for compost. Just find some in the garden and move them to the compost, they'll be fine.

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Did I just kill my Cleyera shrub?
>Get tree for pet bird to play on
>Keep indoors for ~2 weeks, with a grow-light on a timer
>Leaves start to discolor a little, bring outside for some sunlight
>Next day looks like this

>>1038011
It is probably in shock after an environmental change. The slight change in leaf color signals it will drop ALL leaves very shortly. Changes like this for these types of plants are slow to show up then suddenly everything turns to shit.

If you are lucky, it will regrow everything. Put it back and try to maintain even temps and lighting. Even a cold draft may trigger complete leaf loss. I really wouldn't worry too much. This is pretty common.

>>1038015
Ah, thanks

A big branch broke off my raspberry bush. What is the best way to try and get it to root? Should I leave it in water a few days or just stick it in dirt?

>>1038049
You can cut it up into 4" long sections, or so long as each section has a node at the bottom for the roots, and a node at the top for new leaves. Plant them so only the tip top of the upper node is above the soil. Shade them and water them. You can use a container of water to root them, but you may as well plant them, where you want them, and treat them well.

>>1037861
Herbs are not too difficult and having fresh ones for cooking is super nice.

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What are some gardening useful pet? I recently aquire a bunny and found out her manure is very useful at either compost or just put it on top as garden dressing, it also doesnt smell so that a plus. Her manure is also at the top for nitrogen. So I was wondering what are some house pet I can have that as useful as her

>>1038158
Chickens can be useful, they eat pests and till the soil as they walk.

>>1038158
chicken
>can clean, scratch and fertilize your beds before and after harvest
>can help you make compost
>eat insects
>give you eggs (and meat)

ducks
>eat snails
>give fertilizer (use the pond water)
>easier to fence than chicken
>give eggs and meat (both more valuable than from chicken)

If you have less space, there is always quail

Guinea pigs are pretty similar to bunnies, just smaller and stupider

A cat puts pressure on mouses and bird wanting to eat your things

Just ordered 10 jumbo strawberry plug plants for £6.99

Is it true that strawberry's need 8 hours of direct sun a day?
Because my neighbour has tomato plants tucked away in a shady corner of his garden and i can see that they are fruiting.

>>1038158
The only classic "pet" that is helpful for the garden is a horse, just not indoors. Horse manure is amazing and there's so much of it. You can also plow the garden with the horse if you're into plowing. You can go all these things with a goat, using a much smaller plow, with the benefit of milk and meat.

>>1038187
From my experience, the more sun they get the better. At 8 hours of direct sun/day you'll end up with plants that have small leaves and produce loads of sweet berries; at, say, 6 hours of sun/day you'll end up with larger leaves and fewer berries.

>>1038180
I love cats, but mine really did a number on the lizards, mice, birds in my garden so I'd advise againt it if you value biodiversity desu

>>1038192

Do you think i will get fruit this year considering they are jumbo plug plants or will it just be planting and them growing this year and then fruit next year?

>>1038211
What help are mice and birds to a garden?
Don't they eat crops?

>>1038216
idk, i love seeing birds and lizards, i wouldn't want them gone even if they were eating my plants.

>>1038216
nah, crows and starlings can be a pain in the ass if you got fruit trees but the smaller birds will eat insects/caterpillars

besides I like to see them around it makes the garden more lively

>>1038212
It depends on the variety, but generally yes.

It'll help the plant establish itself if you pinch off the flowers in the first half-year or year though.

>>1038212
At least here (very northern, very late area - Germany), the "late spring" strawberry season is already pretty much over, harvest peaked 1-2 weeks ago for the spring-bearing varieties.
There's everbearing varieties though (of both F. x ananassa and F. vesca), which while having main crop around late May-early June too, will produce a slow but steady supply until around November (December if it's a really mild late autumn)

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>ass ton of rain pouring just 100 feet from my garden
>lightning & thunder
>electrical outages
>not one drop on my gardens

Welp, I guess I'll need to water the gardens again tomorrow morning.

>tfw I didn't get auto-irrigation installed this year

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>>1038316

> Live in England
> Only benefit about growing things here is it rains alot.
> Happen to live in the driest county in the UK
> I still get all the cloudy days but with none of the benefit of any rain.

>>1037631
>>1037650
thanks for getting back to me. That looks like a pretty sweet set up. I never thought of shower curtains. i'll probably end up using those for the sides until i can switch over to old windows and doors since i can get a hold of corrugated plastic roofing. Also loving how its in the sandbox

>>1037861
Read. I'm a big fan of Mother Earth News. They have a lot of good advice for starting gardens.

Go to an Agway or a garden center for seeds or plants. If you're in a moderate climate in the US, tomatoes and zucchini are fun starters.

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I got a free pot with some kind of grass plant, any idea what it is? I kinna like this grass too so was wondering how do I harvest seed from it

>>1038347
Festuca?

>>1038347
Looks like a type of Panicgrass (Panicum). When you try to pull the seeds off a stalk do they come of very freely? Also, what location in the world?

>>1038386
Currently in maryland, and it does not come out easily.

>>1038339
Thanks bud, and yeah no problem, glad to share what I have.
Yeah I havent been able to find anybody who's also tried shower curtains before so I thought I'd just give it a try. So far it's worked out great, still think I might pick up some shade cloth to throw on there, but besides that it's been fantastic.
I actually didn't spend any money on this greenhouse, all the wood came from construction yard scrap (might be considered theft but I don't give a shit), the only thing I paid for were screws. picked up the hinges, air vent and handle from a yard sale for maybe a dollar all together, and the original plastic from work. The shower curtain costed 5.99, and I'll bet that stuff is gonna last for atleast a couple years.

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Hey can someone help me identify this bug? They love squash and melons. But are not above feeding on eggplants, turnips and radish. I've searched the only thing I get is squash bug. However they look totally different.

Control tips would also be appreciated. One of my neighbors gifted me an infested squash plant and is now wreaking havoc on my melon field.

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Anyone with experience raising carnivorous plants?

Is sunlight through blinds enough? What do you do when you run out of flies/fungal gnats?

>>1038571
I would also like to know about these as my local supermarket is stocking them this year and they look cool.
Main thing i want to know is how much sunlight they need.

>>1038571

Go to /an/ for this one. Their plant general is all about shit like this.

>>1038576
I didn't know /an/ had a plant general.
Is there any reason it and homegrowmen haven't merged? The subject matter seems roughly the same to me.

>>1038571
>>1038576
>>>/an/2399305

Howegrowmen is more for growing edible stuff, /plant/ is more for growing stuff that looks cool.

>>1038577

I was kind of curious about the whole thing too, until I realized that this board is sort of an /an/ /k/ /diy/ mixture, and this general has elements of all 3.

I miss pre-/out/ /k/, guys.

>>1038497
Red Melon Beetle
Black Cucurbit Beetle

>>1038481
beaked panicgrass

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>>1038571
>>1038574
I also started growing a few of them this year, I got some basic drosera, sarracenia and flytrap. You can feed em with fish food flakes or pellets, just wet em a bit and rub it on the leaves for drosera. For flytraps, put a dollop in a trap, trigger it, and gently squeeze the sides of the trap a few times until it goes into stage 2, you can see it contract, as if it's sucking itself vaccuum.
Not sure about sarracenia, I'm feeding mine live ants at the moment.
Soil, temps, amount of water, and amount of light/sunlight all depend on the species, check out the /an/ plant thread for more info.

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Switched 2 beppers around, the small ones' (CAP 1166) rootball was about the same size as the pot it came out of for some reason, and plant size increased about 50%. The Bulking Jolokia on the other hand had roots reaching all sides & peeping through the bottom, through a layer of expanded clay balls, and plant size more then doubled. I think they'll both feel more at home in their new pots.

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>>1038677

>>1034652
its ipomoea for sure, might be a wild(weed) kind, morning glories

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i-is this the place i can post about plants for decor? or is this farm only? i can't find anything on 4chan that's consistent. like /an/ as /plant/ every few months or so, but i feel like i'm not the only person on here that wants to post about flowers at all times

>>1038697
AFAIK, the /an/ thread is, in general, about cool/pretty plants, the /out/ thread about edible plants.
But there's no rules, and what's the worst that could happen? Someone calling you a faggot, which will probably happen anyway, on any board.
>faggot

>Just pulled up two chilli seedlings in a pot of three, not because they weren't growing well enough, but because they were the weakest

RIP in peace my tiny spicy sons. I can't grow chilli outdoors where I live so I'm growing it on a windowsill. Would a pot about 20cm in diameter be enough for growing sizeable chillis? My housemate wants to use them for cooking and the plant looks nice.

>>1038708
Also, do I need food for chillis? My gf's dad says he always needs it but I've not heard of anyone else using it. If so, what are some decent ones to use?

>>1038709
They should be alright for sometime, but they will use up the nutrients in the pot. For potted things I usually start adding fertilizer when they start to fruit. Something low in nitrogen, high phosphorus and potassium numbers is good for vegetables

I have clover as living mulch but they are now flowering, should I remove only the flower, take the whole root out or just leave it there?

>>1038666
>you can feed them fishfood
oh cool, thank you!

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zucchini

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>>1038745
carrots

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>>1038746
beans

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>>1038748
moar beans

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>mfw just bought a spider plant for my apartment

Feels good to finally be /out/

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>>1038749
and moar

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>>1038746
Now that you mention them, one of mine is randomly bolting.
They're really not doing too well this year. Sowed in March, took forever to pop up thanks to the drought, and now this.
Probably the light frost we got in late April to blame, cold often encourages flowers it seems

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>>1038752
peppers

>>1038755
Where are you?
Same problems here, we had snow and frost in middle of april.

>>1038697
/an/ always has /plant/ up.

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>>1038745
why does it look so crowded, how many plants are in there

>>1038746
>mfw too dumb for carrots
do they hate sand or am I just shit at it?

btw do you guys know what's likely to cause pic related?

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>>1038791
Wall eyes.

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>>1038740
No problem, it was quite a revelation for me, I've had some many years ago and always thought they needed live food, but turns out their tentacles are triggered by the presence of food, not by the struggle. Make sure to not use too much, I've only fed em twice so far, but the second time I used a drop more of water, and made just a thin line of the goop down the middle of the leaf, and they all completely curled up over it. The first time I put on little balls that were a bit dryer, and got a lot less reaction.

>>1038762
lophophora?

>>1038791
9 plants
‚I was pessimistic when i was planting them, so i put too many seeds . Later i was worried if i replant them they would die. Pic related.Plants before 18 days
Not sure, i though they can grow in almost every soil.Also i think you have worm in that apple. Just cut that part, rest you can eat.

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>>1038829
"Thinning" plants mostly includes snipping off the extras, not replanting them. This is to prevent root damage of the plant you want left alone. It is a very hard lesson in gardening.

>>1038750
Try lucky bamboo, that shit just doesn't die.

>have glass bottle
>have source of tap water
>rinse bottle
>put tap water in bottle
>put lucky bamboo in bottle
>put bottle in place that isn't in full sun but isn't dark all the time

enjoy owning a house plant that you only need to water once every couple months.

>>1038842
>Lucky bamboo is impossible to kill
Oh. Also, they do not like chlorine in tap water.

>>1038845
>they do not like chlorine in tap water

Really? I have about 40 of them in bottles, lined up on a windowsill of mine. They grow slowly, but they look quite nice. All of them watered with tap water. The only time one died was when I left it in my car overnight in below freezing temperatures.

>>1038850
Mine got brown tips and when I googled around pretty much every source says they don't like tap water. It also started with 6 stalks and have been losing one every year. It's down to 2 now.

>>1038852
I'm sorry to hear that. I live out in the boonies, so it's possible that I just have access to nicer tap water.

>>1038854
Possibly. I live in a decent sized suburb and on some days you can actually both taste and smell the chlorine.

>>1038833
>this kills the tomato

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>>1038824
pic is my new saccerenia (carolina yellow jacket cultivar) that I posted in /an/

>but turns out their tentacles are triggered by the presence of food, not by the struggle.

https://youtu.be/MQxOeMecbHs?t=5m37s

Just saw this, it's Darwin putting different non-live substances on a cp

>>1038850
>>1038852
>>1038854
>>1038857
"Tap" water just means water that comes from your "tap" that is the faucet on your sink. The source of that water may be well water from your own well, water from a watershed, spring water, municipal water, etc. Treated municipal water is what is bad.

Speaking of thinning. How much root space does a tomato really need? I have two nice plants in a pot that I'm afraid isn't even big enough for 1 of them.

>>1038869
In my case it's water that has been pumped up from a local river to a reservoir (where it is chlorinated), from which it is then pumped to a water treatment plant (rapid sand bed filtration) and chlorinated again.

>>1038761
Upper Rhine Germany. Really weird spring weather, initially the last frost was on Feb 25, a really warm March followed (some places near me got new record highs for the month of up to ~27°C), but then there was this sudden cold wave around Apr 20 (one night of -2°C on 2m height, almost -4 on ground level, but no snow) which killed a few of my tomatoes I had planted out in March, as well as the first potato shoots (but they all eventually came back).
Then drought and heat again since late May, I'm watering like crazy every day. There was only 126mm of rain between December and May here, which is just a bit more than half the long term average, and June hasn't been much better so far. Today a thunderstorm was announced, but we only got 3 drops again, and the next 10+ days are supposed to be completely dry too, going up to 32°C... my lawn already looks like a steppe

>>1038877
france here, heatwave due next week
it hasn't rained for quite a while now
send help

>>1038898
Belgium is exceptionally dry

>>1038910
*too

Fucking hell

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>>1038898
You're at least a bit west from us, so you'll usually get a bit more water from the Atlantic I guess (unless you're on the dry Côte d'Azur).
Here it's only 535mm on average per year, but this time it seems to become even drier yet again, pic related has started to become a normal occurrence in the last couple years... I mean it's normal in desert places like Tunisia to have winters look greener than summers, but here at 50°N? WTF

>>1038877
American South here and we've had weird weather too. January/February was really hot(mid~high 70s) then we got snow in March(pretty unheard of in a place where it snows maybe once or twice a year), but this summer has been somewhat stable. Or at least it was until we got a sudden cold spell a couple of weeks back that took us down to the 60s. I don't understand how people can still deny climate change after this.

>>1037613
you suck. i can't grow a mango in los angeles for the life of me. neither could my father nor his pappy before him.


i just want some juicy fat mangos, he has an avacado tree now.

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>>1038868
>https://youtu.be/MQxOeMecbHs?t=5m37s
>
>Just saw this, it's Darwin putting different non-live substances on a cp
Yeah, I also watched that one, shortly after learning that. It's pretty good, but I wish it was more in-depth.
>>1038910
Yup. I got lucky tho, my landlord has a 250L rain tank, and he told me I was free to use it when he saw I was growing plants on the deck.
Double win because I also don't have to buy distilled water for my carnivores anymore.

>>1038955
Ahh yes, the deepthroating flower

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>>1038576
>>1038578
People in /an/ get redirected to these threads all the time in /out/.

>>1038677
>>1038679
They will. Noticed that in your earlier postsalready but didn't want to smartass.

Also theSnibbening was well worth it. Beautiful peppers.

>>1038708
Depends on what you have. C.Annuum has a lot of compact cultivars. Wouldn't reccomend Habaneros though, they tend to like large pots or a bed.

>>1038709
Food? You mean fertilizer?
Sure, vegetable fertilizer when they are big enough (a couple of pairs oft true leaves).

But it is doable. Gave a Friend some seeds a month ago. Now there are chiles growing on the windowsill. In recycled ice cream buckets.

>>1038757
Those are tightly packed peppers.
How does that work out for you?
I've read a lot that you can pack them rather tightly and they even benefit from it.

>>1038833
>The Snibbening Part 2 - Tomato Bogaloo

>>1038872
Picture?

>>1038877
>Thunderstorm
Did it really pass you?
Thuringia got some bad weather an hour ago.
>My peppers!

>>1038981
>didn't want to smartass
Don't hold back man, this is all a first for me, I like all feedback.
And thanks!

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I see the HomeGrowMen thread all the time but I've never opened it up until today. I'll try not to blog but this is a special summer for me and I have a few questions. If you want to skip ahead I'll include a tl;dr.

First, here's a little backstory - my father planted his garden and broke a large part of a tomato plant stem. He pulled it off from the main plant and some roots came with it - so of course I saw a golden opportunity for a free tomato plant clone. My father told me I was wasting my time, but I took the little clone and planted it in a solo cup for a few weeks and made sure to water it and put it in a spot where it would get a good amount of sun. Long story short, it survived - so i planted it out in the garden and now it's thriving. It even has a few flowers on it! Needless to say I'm proud of myself. Maybe even a bit arrogant. My father was surprised, and has since been calling me out to the garden to share some of his experience with me now that he's seen I have somewhat of a green thumb.

Now, my sister was able to get me a side-job planting and tending two gardens for a old woman who lives in a retirement village and her son who lives in th next town over, and I'm running into a few obstacles.

tl;dr - Is it too late to start planting normal garden plants like tomato, eggplant, peppers, cukes, zukes, and spices? What are some companion plants for the aforementioned vegetable plants and spices that will keep hungry insects away? How do I transplant a strawberry plant that is on it's second season (keeps getting attacked by squirrels)?

Thanks in advance! Pic unrelated.

>>1039028
>Is it too late to start planting normal garden plants like tomato, eggplant, peppers, cukes, zukes, and spices?
I want to say no. Last year I planted pretty late, august/september, and managed to get a few beans, tomatos, and sweet potatos before winter.
I'd plant from starters rather than seed, though. Can't hurt to get a head start.

>>1039028
>Is it too late to start planting normal garden plants like tomato, eggplant, peppers, cukes, zukes, and spices?

Nope. Some people in this area start planting today, because it is their last frost date. If you can, find cultivars that are early maturing (fewest days-to-maturity).

>What are some companion plants

Google/Google Scholar. There's a ton of info, but finding the exact science behind it is often difficult. Mostly it is anecdotal evidence that's repeated across tons of blogs without proper citations/sources/reasons why.

>How do I transplant a strawberry plant that is on it's second season

Just dig it out with lots of soil around the roots. Try not to disturb the roots.

>tfw my peas are dying but everything around them is thriving

RIP sugarsnaps

>>1039070
F

>>1038825
Trichocereus

>>1039000
It's 2 plants in a ~2 gallon pot. Woefully inadequate I presume. I can fertilize them as much as needed with hydro nutrients, but I figure they will become extremely root bound. But does being root bound matter if they can still get all the nutrients they need?

>>1038608
Thanks. You think soaring with soapy water or something will deter them?

>>1038715
I just leave them to reseed. You can cut them and they'll grow back though

>>1038755
Free seeds!

>>1039157
Is it a hard material, like plastic or terra cotta? It could be a problem then, but if you're using a cloth pot/bag that air prunes roots and prevents the death spiral, it could be alright.

>>1039028
I have basil seeds sprinkled around my tomato. The trick is to strip the bottom leaves from the tomato to discourage wilt and provide clones. The basil can protect the lower quarters.

Squash corn beans all work well together.

There's a few companion planting infographics kicking around

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>>1038993
For now is really good.
Pic before 18 days

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>>1039070
Too hot? Maybe they need shade.

F

>>1038872
>>1039157
1 plant per 5-gallon bucket. Anything less than that starts to become hydroponics because of how you'll need to water like crazy and add nutrients later on. If you add more plants to that space it ends up doing the same thing. You can do it, just make sure to space their vines out to give them good light, water them well (upwards of 1 gallon of water per plant, per day) and fertilize as needed.

>>1039218
I have basil under some of my sunflowers. Though, they need thinned out desperately. There's a surprising amount of light under the massive sunflower plants.

>>1038877
We had the mildest winter in out history (Zone 5 usa). None of the animals left for migration. I covered my crops to stop frost killing them, because I gambled and planted early. Now there's an amazing amount of song birds that normally migrate from the south and go further north. They just stopped here. There's also more insects that I can ever remember. It is pretty crazy. There's like 100s of tiny praying mantis all over my property. I've been transporting each one I find to my garden.

>>1038860
>literally the filename

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>>1038755
It is amazing how pretty much everyone's garden ITT is months ahead of everyone where I live. My nearest neighbor is just setting out plants like store bought tomatoes and peppers. A lot of people did get their potatoes out earlier at least.

>>1039385
>tfw billions of black flies this year
>tfw it sounds like Vietnam because there's tons of helicopters spraying the waterways for black flies and mosquitoes.

Fuck global warming.

>>1039392
Well, our summers in Western/Central Yurop aren't too hot but the winters are relatively mild (8a), so the growing season may be longer for some crops but less intense, meaning you'll probably catch up.
Also not much "seasonal lag" here, September is barely warmer than May, and October already a bit cooler than April
>>1039212
Yeah thought about collecting them, but then again there's so many wild carrots spread around the garden and neighbouring ones, it will probably cross-pollinate and give shitty tiny roots if I were to use those seeds

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>>1039385
January was actually quite cold here, averaging below freezing for the first time since 2010.
Still, lots of firebugs around since late winter, always around hibiscus

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>>1039028
As it's been said, use pre-started plants for tomatoes/peppers/eggplants if possible (though you could also go from seed depending on where you live, if it's frost-free climates like coastal southern California, Florida, some places in Southern Europe... there you can grow them as perennials)

For companion, I have some oregano, thyme and basil around my tomatoes and peppers, dunno if it actually helps though.
Also mulch on the ground to prevent water sprayback (so that late blight doesn't get from the soil to the leaves), as well as plastic foil roof over the more sensitive varieties

>>1039298
Can I get a pic of the fence? Was thinking about doing this sort of thing with cured bamboo, still trying to figure out how to do the lashing

Aquaponics seems like a sustainable way to grow veggies and not to hard to set up, I can't seem to shake the feeling it's quite memeish though. Anyone here with an aquaponics garden that cares to testify for or against it?

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>>1039493
I used hazelnut branches and rope

>>1039525
Aquaponics is just hydroponics plus fish, right?

>>1039525
I think it has its uses if you live in a commieblock downtown, but I don't see why to bother with it when you're in the countryside/suburbia with at least some property