So this car sucks because it's slower than a mini van?

I mean I think the issue is normies expect it to be "fast" when they see it and when they find out it's merely "decently quick" it's a disappointment. It's misunderstood

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>>17701889
>go to a car meet in my minivan
>people with riceboi rockets make fun of me
>ask them to race
>BTFO them completely
i hope someone does it one day

>>17701889
Honestly, if it didnt have a shitty boxer engine in it I might consider buying one. Fuck you CoG. The main problem is that it was marketed as a "omgitsaracecar" and it really isnt. I mean, its main marketing ploy was that it has shitty tires on it. Seriously? Thats like reading the features of a car and see that the headliner is a feature.

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>>17701889
that car is a blast to drive on curvy roads

>>17701903
It was marketed as a successor of a 118 bhp tin can with a live axle.

>>17701903
4AGE 20V ITB swap lolol

>>17701889
Very expensive for what it is. If it was the same price as the civic si I would buy one

>>17701917
Which is weird because it's literally 90% Subaru shit

>>17701931
>25k is expensive
Fucking poorfags I swear, a great chassis and LSD isn't free. The AE86 would have been over 30k in todays money.

>>17701939
its more of a backroad car
put good tires on it and it is much faster on a track anyway

>>17701940
22k is a lot cheaper for civic si that is on par with it.

It's simple, drip the price 2-3k or make it faster than competitive coupes and other sporty type cars

Hell I'd rather buy a wrx than the brz

>>17701940
>The AE86 would have been over 30k in todays money.
Who fuck on cares it's not 1986 and this car isn't anything but a successor by mere notoriety and name. Not actual function.

The 86 was basically a higher performance econobox. What is the brz? Oh yeah an idea by Toyota with 90% the parts of a Subaru with the engine, drive train and everything being Subaru

>>17701940
>a great chassis and LSD isn't free
Wow so a civic si?

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>>17701889

The actual successor to the ae86 was always the altezza rs200

>>17701958
First you mention the function, then you do a complete 180 into retardation and you start blabbering anout who made what.

Poorfags and Benchracers ITT

>>17701966

savage

>>17701966
No shit sherlock

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>>17701966

why it is ok?

>>17701966
LOL idiot probably doesn't know about VR4/StealthRT

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>>17701978

It is ok when nip does it.


Double standard.

>>17701889
What minivan is faster than a manual 86?

>>17701931
Civic SI is priced at 24k while the 86 is priced at 26k.

>>17701992
Chrysler Pacifica

https://youtu.be/lgUuRVkgJmg

>>17701963
A Civic is a souped up economy car, the 86 uses a bespoke chassis

>>17702065
>cant read

>>17701889
It sucks because busriders on /o/ can't afford it

>>17702058

Civic SI is FWD, nothing wrong with paying 2k more for better chassis

It's slower than my fifteen year old mid tier honda hatch.

I could import two old Type R civics for the same money and any of the several choices would all blow that slow shit out of the water.

Even a miata would be a better use of money if you absolutely needed RWD to go sideways around mountain passes.

>>17701902
Fuck you anon, you made me look at classified are for fast minivans

>>17702083
The new car vs old car meme.

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>>17702083
In my country I could buy 7 type Rs for the same price (all priced at 3k)

>>17702091
Yeah, new cars blow ass for the money.

I don't know why you would want a brand new almost quick car instead of a slightly older actually fast one. If you can afford a new car that's actually as fast as it tries to look that's one thing.

>>17701966
I find it funby that the BRZ's cockpit is more similar to the GT86 than the FRS's.

>>17702083
Brand new Miatas sell for quite a bit more if you want an LSD

>>17702098
If no one bought new then everyone would be fighting over overpriced 90s shitbox Civics

>>17702098
Some people don't prefer used and abused shitboxes

>>17702103
Yeah but the money spent on a slow car would still be better off there, not to mention all the swaps people will be doing for actual power once the price dips to realistic levels.

>>17702116
>muh $500 LS swap

>>17702121
Hey, they're popular boat anchors for a reason. Shame they sound like ass.

>>17702116
Literally grasping at straws.

>>17702116
>Don't buy a BRZ because you can LS swap a Miata for the same price 20 years later

If this car fucking sucks how come they hold their value like hell?

>t. European

I've been looking since 2015 to buy an used one for a fair amount of money but every car with a decent price has a fuck ton of miles on it, the "newer" used ones are priced by mentally ill people that are asking 3000€ less than what it costs to buy a brand new one.

I'm mad

>>17701889
I wouldn't buy any car that can't do 0-60 in at least 6 seconds, so that kills the 86 for me.

>>17701903
Michelin Primacy HP summer tires are not shitty

>>17702224
you sound like your typical shit driver that thinks going fast in a straight line is fun.

>>17702136
because it looks cool

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>>17701889

Look at the face of the car, he is disgusted with his own existence.

>>17702249
It isn't?

>>17702224
>I wouldn't buy any car that can't do 0-60 in at least 6 seconds
But it does, do some research instead of listening to shitposters dummy

>>17702271
It is if you have a room temperature IQ

>>17702279
Source? All the reviews I've seen put it between 6.5 and 7 seconds.

>>17702281
That's a very wordy way of basically just calling me stupid. Nice 4th grade argument.

>>17702303
It's true though, only idiots find straight line acceleration fun

>>17702310

>[Citation needed]

>>17702310
Because...?

>>17701968
>toyota: oh man here we are with an original successor to this meme car from the 80s
>but it's not actually original, in fact it's not even of our own make, we went had Subaru do it up for us

>>17702291
It's 6.2, 7+ seconds is automatic

>>17702316
>>17702317
Compare the average IQ of a Mustang buyer to the average IQ of a 911 buyer then get back to me

>>17702337
A. Thats still not 6 seconds

B. Source?

I'm talking a professional source. Not some amateur lap times website.

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>>17702344

How about you do the research for your own claims, imbecile.

>>17702349
>When amateurs can drive a car better than """"""""""professional"""""""""" reviewers

>>17702352
So I can spoon feed some smug anime girl poster the results? Nah

Have fun living in your ignorance

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>>17702271
listen sure it could be fun for a couple weeks but that shit wears off especially if thats the only thing thats good about the car.

that being said if you can afford car that can do 0-60 in at least 6 seconds and properly carve a cayon then viola you have the best of both worlds.

most people who talk about 0-60 times are huge american "muscle" fanboys.

pic related is the perfect cayon carving car and still can do 0-60 in less than 5 secs

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>>17702358

>Have fun living in your ignorance

I will, brainlet.

>>17702349
>Thats still not 6 seconds
6.2 seconds is 6 seconds, take it as you will
>source?
Since it's so important to you I'll let you do the research

>slap a $500 tune on a BRZ
>suddenly it can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds
Wow

>>17702376
>Has to tune his $30,000 car to get it to perform
How pathetic.

>>17701889
If only they'd make a Chinese cartoon out of it and hype it up to god status so people 20 years from now thing it can beat a r35 downhill.

>>17702384
>I like pulling numbers out of my ass
They sell for like $25k new, and you can regularly find lightly used examples with low miles for like $15k

Stop being poor

>>17702384
>get it to perform
Only one pathetic is you

>>17702376
>has to buy new headers, do a tune and void his warranty to get rid of a torque canyon

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>>17702387

Initial d isn't why the ae86 is revered though especially by people like Keiichi Tsuchiya

Drive one. (specifically a GT-S, that isn't clapped out) and i guarantee you'll love that 30 yr old shitbox.

>>17702344
Your "experiment" is flawed. The Porsche 911 is quite a bit more expensive, so naturally you should expect people who've achieved enough in life to afford one would be more intelligent on average.

>>17702395
>>17702397
My car doesn't need a tune to run under 6 seconds. It also didn't cost $30,000.

Kill yourselves, Redditcucks. Your car is shit, and you just admitted to it.

>>17702412
Yeah but for the price of a 911 you can buy a Super Snake

>>17702416
post your car, Im genuinely curious what you drive.

>>17702408
Where did anyone mention headers?

>>17701898

But it's not decently quick. As a Mopar guy and an owner of an R/T Challenger, I can't believe anyone with a car slower than mine can pull the mental gymnastics to think their car is even remotely fast.

>>17702416
Do you drive your mom's Chrysler Pacifica?

>>17702395
A brand new BRZ is 30k, you uneducated retard. You would know this if you actually went to a dealer and bought one, which included closing costs, but we all know you DIDN'T do that, since you are acting as if a low mileage car is the same as a brand new one. I mean, I knew BRZ fanboys were deluded, but I didn't think they were THIS deluded.

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>>17702419
>but for the price of X you can buy Y

Only poor stupid people say something stupid like this

>>17702361
Have you considered that possibility that some people just don't give a shit about "carving canyons" and may find different things fun? That has nothing to do with intelligence.

My wrx was the same price as a brz and my wrx is faster both on the track and in a straight line

>>17702422
Probably a 10 yer old hand me down V6 Camry

>>17702435
Only idiots buy a gorillian different cars they they'll drive twice a year instead of investing that money

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>>17702429
Riiiiiiiight...

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>>17702437
Sure, I guess we can agree on that. There's really no point to this argument lol

>>17702437
But it does
>muh 3rd gear highway pulls

>>17702448
Seems like you didn't read beyond the first line

>>17702439
But it's also an understeering pig by nature, with the entire fucking engine hanging off of the front axle

>>17702452
Sounds like you don't know how to haggle

>>17701939
https://youtu.be/ohGysuuzzX8

>>17702448
>Is a BRZ retard
>Can't read
>Can't into finances either

Just fucking end yourself already, mongoloid.

>>17702453
>understeering

Thanks for admitting you've never driven one and how you magically think you can't make an awd car oversteer

>pig
It's 3200lbs that's the same weight as any other sedan in that size category

>>17702462
I've driven more cars than you kiddo, it's an understeering pig. You can't get around basic physics

>>17702458
The price the dealership buys it for isn't much higher than what they charge. You aren't going to get some magic 3k off this thing at all in anyway

>>17702462
Now you're just lying claiming it doesn't understeer, of course you can make it oversteer what's new?

>>17702451
Because...?

>>17702471
>it's an [unfounded meme] because I think I k own a thing or two
You don't know shit when you think the wrx is a pig for being the same weight as every other sedan or you think it can't oversteer

>>17701978
well i mean toyota owns scion, and scion went under, so they kept the most popular vehicle runs and just made them toyota

not sure where subaru comes in though

>>17702480
>same weight as any other sedan
Lmao

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>>17702443
>hurrrrrrrrrr invest your money
>implying these dudes aren't currently making serious money.
>implying these cars are making a dent in their bank account

god damn you're dumb. thats why you are poor

>>17702474
I never said it can't under steer. You can understeer in any car

Understeering is just a cars ability to turn less than intended same with over steering is a cars ability to turn more than intended. That's literally it
It's not some special event or anything

>>17702480
IT's based off the Impreza which is the same size as a Civic. Civics and other cars in that class weigh a good 400lbs less. The WRX is in Accord territory for weight
>muh magical weighless AWD system

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Poorfags gonna poorfag

>>17702448
>MPG difference

Why? Automatic vs manual?

>>17702493
For reference, a civic weighs the same and doesn't have a drive shaft going to the rear wheels

>>17702494
I manage the finances for these rich idiots, a lot of them are living in the red because they just have to get an ACR "because it'll be worth more"
Yeah, in like 10+ years. Your rate of return is fucking garbage

>>17702409
But when we compare the car with it's marketed successor am I wrong to believe that we look at the ae86 through rose tinted anime glasses? If the gt86 had been brought through time and run against the cars of the 90 what would be the opinion of the car then?

>>17702507
No they don't, Civics weigh like 2600lbs to 2800lbs. Accords weigh 3200lbs and are massive

>>17702497
No its not. A civic weights between 3k and 3300 depending on your trim. A base wrx is only 3200

>>17702472
>MSRP
>manufacturer somehow sells car for several thousand more to the dealership

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>>17702510
>hurrrrrrrrrrr alll rich people r day same

listen make all the generalizations you want. you know you are wrong.

>>17702518
Are you purposely being stupid?

>>17702515
>https://www.google.com/search?q=civic+weight&oq=civic+weight&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.12..0l5.2701.3634.0.5505.7.7.0.0.0.0.159.762.2j5.7.0....0...1.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..2.5.466.FE1vO7EngmM

A civic is somewhere between 27 and 3100. That extra 100lbs is probably the drive shaft, rear differential and axle

>>17702524
I've been doing this since before you hit puberty kiddo, but keep shitposting

>>17702530
Why don't you actually look it up

>>17702511
>am I wrong to believe that we look at the ae86 through rose tinted anime glasses?

I sure as hell don't, i watched two episodes of intial d because 1. I dont watch anime 2. the show was genuinely garbage and I shouldve never bothered with it in the first place

>>17702531
Only the Civic Type R weighs 3100lbs
>rear differential
wat

>>17702539
Jokes on you, he's 13

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>>17702539
I was born in 1975 kiddo. Respect your elders.

>>17702549
OH that civic doesn't count because you said so?

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>>17702543
Read nigger

>bought a wrx instead
>crybabies whine about weight as if that matters when I take turns faster than them because my car has real power and torque and a superior suspension to pull the way higher g turns

im shitposting with no pants on

@ me niggas

>>17702559
Type R is comparable to a WRX STI, which weighs 3400lbs

Hell the Type R is still lighter than a regular WRX

>>17702557
OH YEAH WELL MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD

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>>17702557
>porsche
>porsche
>porsche
>tahoe
What did he mean by this?

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>>17702552
I found a picture of (you) mate

>>17702567
This is still in the same class regardless

That extra 500lbs from the brz to the wrx doesn't fucking matter obviously when I'm turning faster, moving faster and being better than your shot box. Clearly there is no issue with weight here at all

>>17702575
>the drive shaft for awd must weigh nothing

>>17702584
And yet the person in the BRZ is having more fun

>muh laptimes
Keep benchracing you bus rider

>>17702598
>And yet the person in the BRZ is having more fun
What unit can you measure fun in?

>>17702594
Get rid of the drive shaft and rear differential and you'll just end up with an understeering pig that can't touch the Type R

>>17702600
Smiles per gallon

>>17702580
>Tahoe
Wife's car to haul the kids

>two 993's
probably goes back n forth between those two in terms of DD'ing

>carrera gt
obviously will take it out for a drive every now and then. that thing is appreciating like crazy.

>>17702602
>wow if I remove all these features that makes this car a car it'll be completely different from another ungimped car

>>17702600
Check out the video where Motortrend hooked up electrodes to see how often Randy would involuntarily smile when testing a car around a track

>>17702611
>features make the car heavier and no better then a Civic with a turbo
kys subaru kiddie

Wrx advantage over the 86 is grip,stability,speed. It eats corners not as well and feels bloated on tight roads, seating feels like any other generic sedan. Both great but in different ways

>>17702616
>no my example is great, just gimp the car and it'll be worse than another ungimped car

Yes great analogy

>>17702623
Even ungimped the WRX is already pretty shit
>muh turbo impretzel
Go buy a good car you fucking boi racer

>>17702629
It's also 10k cheaper than a type r

@17702620

how about you cuck me faggot

>>17702629
Yeah and that type r is just a civic lx with a turbo

>>17702632
Not in the same class. How much is an Sti again? And how old is its drive train?

>>17701949
But the underpowered ND Miata is faster on straights, same on backroads and cheaper.

>>17702669
It also weight a lot less. And the Miata is not cheaper

>>17702679
In my country Miata is priced at almost half of a BRZ.

>>17702693
Who cares about not America?

>>17702629
the WRX is a good car

better than the BRZ

>>17702802
You're entitled to be wrong

>>17702814
>faster
>more agile because superior drive train
>more torque, hp, etc
>no torque canyon
>doesn't come with prius tires

>>17701940
>25K for a car that gets it's doors blown off by everything except for a Miata, and doesn't have the ultility of a standard Corolla

Yep, paying out the ass for an entry level sports car is smart. This car is %100 about looks.

>>17702825
How's that rev hang and poor steering?

>>17702825
>more agile
Okay now I know you don't know shit about cars

>>17702825
>Prius tires
Total meme, I have the same tires on my Boxster

>>17702848
>muh 0-60 times
How does that Corolla handle around a track?

>>17702851
rev hang is non existent on my 2018 wrx. They really changed up the transmission and tune so it doesn't have any anymore that I can detect at all. The needle drops immediately when I press the clutch in.

>poor steering
steering is great

>>17702853
when it takes turns faster than the brz I'd say that its more agile purely because its doing dexterity based maneuvers better.

>>17702871
You really haven't driven many cars have you?

>>17702871
Steering might be great but nowhere near as good

>>17702878
>no come back but "hurr you haven't driven many cars
there is literally no rev hang on my wrx. The fact that I am doing maneuvers better than the brz means I'm more agile.

>>17702881
I'd rather have awd and superior handling than some meme car that I can't use in the winter

>>17702871
>>17702890
Go drive an FRS anon. No one's blasting your WRX, we're just calling you inexperienced

>>17702902
I already did, which is why I went with the wrx. Same price, a lot better in so many facets its no competition.

>we're calling you inexperienced because you won't buy into my shitty memes

>rev hang
I can just tune this away the same way you tune away the torque dip on the brz?

>>17702890
It doesn't handle better though, it takes up too much space on tight roads, it has dead zones in steering, and gives false sense of security with its AWD
>meme car that I can't use in the winter
Sounds like the practical sedan was a better fit for you
>>17702908
>few laps around dealer lot doesn't give off the right experience

>>17702920
There's no problem with that, only if you scroll up everyone is bitching about Muh warranty

>>17702923
>gives false sense of security with its AWD
Sounds like somebody sucks at driving AWD. It doesn't give an experienced driver more security, it gives them more capability.

>>17702848
Anon, even a Miat can btfo a GT86.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PlSA2DnTL8

>>17702908
Dude you sound like someone who doesn't know much about cars
>more agile purely because its doing dexterity based maneuvers better

Meanwhile everyone from boi racers to professional drivers all praise at just how sharp and precise the handling and steering is in the FRS. I drive a Boxster and the FRS still feels nicer in that regard

>>17702861
>missing the refrence
It's okay, one day you will die and nobody else will have to deal with your external retard

>>17702923
>it takes up too much space on tight roads,
the brz and wrx are exactly the same width and the wrx is only 14 inches longer.

>it has dead zones in steering
what like play in the wheel? What the fuck does "dead zones" even mean, I feel the response and road in the wrx the same way.
>false sense of security of AWD
so you admit you're so shit you actively put your own light headedness into an AWD system instead of knowing the limitations of your car like you should?

>>17702945
I take turns and corners faster, tighter and better than the BRZ, What does that say about its agility vs the brz? a lot!

>>17702947
>muh inishul dee may may

>>17702945
>my feels and opinions are better than yours because I feel so

>>17702945
Meh, stock vs stock an S2000 feels superior, and that is a much cheaper, much more focused car with more potential. A FD feels even better than an S2k and those can be had for the same price range.

>>17702939
Too much understeer with the grip that hides it until you have a close call, where are you from I'm curious what type of roads you enjoy the WRX on unless it's just commuter for work
>inb4 Muh oversteer

>>17702953
>I take turns and corners faster, tighter and better than the BRZ, What does that say about its agility vs the brz? a lot!
Where do you even get this information from? Are you making it up or using your 5 minutes test drive?

>>17702961
S2000 prices sky rocketed, you can get a couple years old BRZ for cheaper than a 15 year old S2000

>>17702958
Backed by tens thousands of owners and reviewers

>>17701939

I am triggered by this pic. FUCK YOU

>>17702963
The tighter and the twistyer the better. Any car will understeer if you go in too fast, that isn't some special feature for FWD & AWD.

AWD tends to push sooner if you are an idiot and just turn the wheel. If you set the car up into the corner it will neutral steer up to the traction limit then start understeering.

>>17702971
>everyone says its true therefore it is! I refuse to formulate my own opinions or acknowledge other peoples respective opinions

You know when someone can't differentiate their opinions from another person's and get absolutely irate about others opinions thats a huge symptom of autism

>>17702979
Exactly, it's an understeering pig

>>17702987
>I refuse to formulate my own opinions or acknowledge other peoples respective opinions
Did you miss the part where I said I drove it and praised it's handling over my own car's? Another car that's well known for its handling?

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>WRX doesn't understeer

>>17703010

It looks like he didn't use the brakes to do any weight shifting at all. Just turned the wheel. Sure AWD understeers like a fucking pig if you do that.

If you dip the nose, keep it dipped while the car rotates and builds up a tiny bit of yaw, then maintain that yaw around the corner it will just seem to glide around the corner.

I had a early 90s AWD turbo subaru. Felt like a Camry if you didn't know what you were doing and pushed it. Just miles and miles of understeer. But if you drove it right.... it was absolutely bonkers how fast you could get it around corners on hard all-season tires.

>>17703106
>slam on the brakes
>nose heavy car has even more weight transferred to the front
>rear end completely loses traction
A shit

>>17701889
https://youtu.be/lgUuRVkgJmg
It's shameless nostalgia pandering to a car it's not. Sure, you can pull muh "dorifuto", but the car is flashy and pretends to be something it isn't.
The AE86 was just a fucking lightweight (2k lbs) RWD Corolla. A shitbox. It didn't pretend to be something it wasn't.

The BRZ/86 pretends to be all sporty and glamorous when a minivan can smoke it.

>>17703116
You don't slam on the brakes, tard. You drag them, around %10-15 pedal pressure.

If you can't manage to do this the car isn't a shit, you are.

>>17703134
>didn't pretend to be something it wasn't
>$30k for a shitbox Corolla

>>17703136
>driving a car like a sports car upsets its balance
May as well drive a FWD car at that point

>>17703143
>driving a car like a sports car upsets its balance
How did you get this out of what I said?

>>17703166
If you're going hard on the brakes just as you're about to enter a corner and the car loses its balance, it's a shitty sports car

>>17702471
>what are larger diameter sway bars for $500

>>17703196
If you fuck with the sway bars on a street car, you suck dick at driving.

>>17703174
>be you
>drive like a fucking moron
>lol slam brake
>lol slam gas
>lol jerk the wheel like my tiny dick

lol why this car handle like a shit


kill you are self my man

>>17703208
>has never driven on a track
>has shit entry speeds into a corner
>starts riding the brakes well before the braking zone to avoid spinning his car
>if he goes too fast into a corner he'll understeer into a ditch

>>17702580
Its the sexy "really makes me think" meme. i've been looking for this.

>>17703224
Do you see how often F1 cars understeer off the track? FUCKING SHIT CARS!

>>17702105
Protip: they're fighting over the few type Rs that are left out there

>>17703224
protip you can still stop quickly without stomping the fucking brake pedal

lern 2 threshold brake

>>17703235
Does that somehow prevent the weight from transferring to the front and fucking with the already nose heavy WRX?

>>17703224
lol, that isn't what you do at all.

>Brake at %100 in a straight line
>Let up on the brakes right as you turn in so load stays constant on outside front
>Get on the power ASAP to balance weight front to rear

You aren't good enough to do this are you?

>>17703237
>Thinks a WRX is nose heavy
Kek, drive something with an iron I6 in front.

>>17703245
>implying the weight and shitty brakes on a WRX wouldn't overheat
>implying people don't trail brake

>>17701889
It's slower in a straight line, not in corners.

>>17702279
Sure it'll do at least 6 seconds regardless of transmission you fucking retard. Hell, 10 seconds is at least 6 seconds, learn to fucking type.

>>17702487
Toyota owns a large part of Subaru as well.

>>17703326
16.5% of Fuji Heavy Industries, not Subaru which is a division of FHI

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4627795

>>17703421
FHI is now known as the Subaru Corporation

>>17703290
Damn man, sperg a bit less

>>17703439
No you, I'm quitting cigarettes and I'm mad as fuck at everyone, especially people who can't into basic math

>>17703456
You should start vaping lmao

>>17703207
Lol noice assumption. Only bought rear bars to mitigate the inherent understeer in my GF8 (which it does well, thank you)

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>>17703461
DUDE VAPE LMAO

>>17703461
Thanks but I'm not about to start the same addiction all over again and spend tons of cash upfront to do so. I'm a week in and it's getting easier, I'll be able to quit for good and not just pussy out and suck the robo-dick like the vapefags

>>17703485
Few people I know that vape don't smoke cigarettes anymore because of it, no more phlegm or shitty effects. I only vape greens (still feel like massive faggot) only to do it at work so nobody suspects or smells anything. Stay strong nigger!

>>17703494
Thank you i will stay strong, sorry for sperging, I really am just irritable as fuck.

>>17703426
My bad, didn't realize that had gone into effect yet.

>>17702425
I have a bone stock foxbody (excluding replaced radiator, water pump, and tail pipes out of necessity because the old parts rotted away) sitting in my garage. It's 26 years old and faster than the BRZ/86. Not by a huge margin, I'd still lose if I fucked up a shift, but as long as I didn't fuck up I won by 3 or 4 lengths. Really hate that it looks so fast and is so disappointingly slow.

>>17702425
you say that like an R/T isn't a fast car, it may not have a high top speed but it's pretty fast 0-60 and has a shitload of pull since it has 410 torque

>>17702344
the 911 has a much faster 0-60, so people who buy the porsche are dumber, right? That's what you're saying you fucking retard

"fun" is extremely subjective so there is no right or wrong answer. This board likes twistie turns over straight lines for the same reason they like 80s/90s shitboxes over new cars. When you can only afford one of the options you cant understand why people get the mroe expensive one

It's slower than my 13 year old accord I paid $3000 for

>>17701889
BTFO by 3.7 ford transit

>>17703134
1. That's an automatic. At least a full second slower than the manual 0-60.
2. The manual is comfortably in the low to mid 6s.
3. Which means that it can comfortably beat the Pacifica

I'm not defending how slow it is compared to other cars, but do your research before you spout bullshit.

Also, how come we don't judge a Dodge Demon for how well it handles and take corners?

>>17703655
A regular ass V8 Mustang can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds now. A regular 911 can't

>>17704165
a regular mustang isnt a V8

>>17704201
Yeah it is

>>17702524
>putting the heavier car on top

if that shit drops and ruins both cars, he really can't complain

>>17704871
Those lifts are seriously over engineered and can easily hold up a pick up truck for years. And all 4 posts and their safety mechanisms would have to fail for the Mustang to come crashing down

86/BRZ will always be tuner cars imo. Driving them at stock is really boring.

>>17702232
nigga anything from michelin that isnt a pilot is watered down corolla tire

>>17702373
anon wanted a car with at least 6 seconds zero to sixty mph acceleration. that means he wants to probably be moving at 5.9 to 60 at the slowest.

if it's such a """"sports car""""" why is that too much to ask of this car?

>>17703143
>anon pretends its news awd cars behave similar to fwd

>>17702136
Because they sold in their 10's.

>>17701940
It's 1500 cheaper than a wrx but slower.
They should have made them the same price and put a fucking turbo on the brz

>>17702506
Aero pack.

>>17701889
But also faster than a Tesla.

>>17702425
It is pretty decent.

>>17701889
First let's make it clear majority of these posts are by americans

Second what makes you faggots think that a car in this price range, with this weight and everything needs to be faster? It's as fast as the top end S chassis' with a turbo 2.0 while probably being a bit heavier, and it handles fucking awesome.

Also when are you gonna post a video of this thing getting beaten by a fucking minivan on a course (a course that isn't a straight line)?

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Go get some old jap rwdbox and throw a LS/RB/JZ in it and be happy

All these years I thought this was simple good ol' baiting, but you fucks genuinely believe this shit

>>17702136
>If this car fucking sucks how come they hold their value like hell?

Probably the same reason ther is still a waiting list for them, or the reason it holds the record for most car of the year awards of any car in history.

>>17702425
>as the owner of a car that rips the asphalt apart and cant turn

Sorry senpai you are comparing apples and carrots here

>>17702058
>idiot forgets fwd is way easier and overall cheaper to manufacture

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And just to add one more thing

A brand new 240sx in '89 was priced starting at 14,000*

Which when adjusted is

I'm a huge fan of the 240, but when compared to the GT86 it's a open diff, SOHC, gutless, floppy chassis piece of shit

>>17702425
HPtuning took an R/T round the ring in 9:47 62 seconds slower than a stock 86. Lets see how the Mopar snowflakes try to sperge that away.

>>17701889
Has there ever been another car that triggers /o/ so much?

Friendly reminder that the people calling the GT86 slow are the same people calling Teslas fast. They're clueless.

>>17703143
>slamming on your brakes is "treating your car like a sports car"

man you are the biggest fucking retard I have ever read on /o/

For 27k for a fucking gt86 I'd rather blow 2k more and get the 370z sport trim with the LSD. Sure its about 500-600lbs heavier but its a fuck ton faster with 350hp

>>17701903
nigger you're a shit driver

-just get it
It's a japenese lightweight veryhandle
It will teach you driving. If you grow the car with your driving skills you will honestly be punching up and fighting cars that you should not be even be in the same parking lot with.
Seriously power is fucking overrated, this car has insanely good chasis and fantastic suspension and a bit too much weight and just enough power.
There is barely anything on the road that will handle as well as you, as long as you know what you're doing you're untouchable.
And the great thing is, during the years it takes you to get to know what you're doing, this car will be able to teach you.
IT's literally /o/ 's dream car but most people are busriders and benchracers who get upset they can't just hold down the throttle and have everyone shower them with attention.

>>17706526
>teach you driving
I hate this meme, to "learn how to drive" doesn't cost 27k brand new.
>you grow with the car
woopty do, this is anyone getting attached to any car they covet.
>power is over rated
power is a function of your torque and the work your car's crank goes through. This isn't some meme thing you can disregard.
>the car will teach you
man I love all your fluffy flowery language on how you wanna personify the machine into some role that apparently can't be filled by any other car ever.

Toyota a shit. Everything good with a toyota badge on it was based on yamaha engines and aftermarket suspensions.

>>17702310
straight line acceleration isn't fun, it's hard.

trying to brace yourself against the G forces while quickly and smoothly shifting as to not lock the wheels up at high revs

but when you corner, it all comes together as one smooth motion. you're already in some sort of "attack mode" when you're leaving the apex and it's ezpz.

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>>17706532
If the miata is the ninja 250 of cars, the 86 is the yamaha R3 of cars.

>it's slow so you'll learn to carry speed through a corner because you'll totally be doing time attack runs
>it's what you learn to really drive with
>it's beginner friendly but not too much!
>if you go hard it's easy to control
>yeah it's more expensive, but so what, it's so much cooler

The reality is you can start on anything short of a highside machine (liter without rider aids) and be fine if you followed some simple rules until they became habit. Like a used 600, for instance. As with the 86, you could probably get a used 350z or something and learn the fundamentals of road course and track driving just as well while having a car that's actually cool and not buyers regret on wheels.

>>17706515
>he's never went to a track
I bet you ease onto the brakes into a corner instead of accelerating until the very last second

>>17706538
Unless you're in a purpose built drags terms you're not going to be experiencing those kinds of G forces

>>17706532
You just suck at driving and need an automatic gearbox and 800 horses to be faster than a shopping cart.

It's a small reasonably priced car that is light weight and handles insanely well, classic easy to learn to drive hard to master like the original ae86.
No wonder people hate it, it reminds them how shitty they are but instead of going out and driving twisties they saltpost.
>>17706538
Straight line is for faggots and it's easy you retard.
"muh geee forces"
faggot try staying in control of a famously deadly midship while its lack of bucket seat at the very limit of grip with slicks and coilovers is trying to throw you out of the car at apex.

You can take your muh vee eytes and go stick the auto shifter up your ass you faggy ladyboy.
Any retarded little girl can mash a throttle.
A real man looks death in the eye by approaching the corner as fast as possible, braking late and then easing up on the brakes as the wall comes closer and closer.

I race track in a gay ass car and "muh power fags" are just that: little bitch ass fags who don't have the balls to corner.

>>17706553
I was in a drag car actually. Also on a literbike later.

Holy fuck just staying in the seat on one of those things is an exercise in strategy.

>>17706557
kek this. I've seen a boomer in a GT500 Super Snake fail to lose a fucking Miata on the track because he couldn't corner for shit and could only mash the gas on the straights
Same guy was also overtaken by a 3v retrostang with barely any engine work and a fuckload of handling mods, 3v kid was still accelerating while the Super Snake boomer was already on the brakes

>>17703143
>Drive an MR car
>hard, late braking improves the balance of your car and makes it 50/50 instead of DORIFTO/70

FR fags BTFO

>>17706560
>going straight
>hard to stay in the seats
That only works if you're pulling over a lateral G through a corner

>>17706571
On the literbike. Your ass is guaranteed to slide off, and your feet might even want to leave the pegs, until you figure out that you're meant to brace yourself with your feet in front of the pegs instead of on top of them. And then you have to either clutchless shift before you hit the limiter or pray you're not off by 1k revs and power wheelie.

>>17706548
>>it's slow so you'll learn to carry speed through a corner because you'll totally be doing time attack runs
>>it's what you learn to really drive with
>>it's beginner friendly but not too much!
>>if you go hard it's easy to control
>>yeah it's more expensive, but so what, it's so much cooler
The thing is there is nothing so special about the 86 that you can't do these things with any other car that say, lacks power and torque, but is very light or has a good suspension, etc.

>>17706557
>you suck at driving because you won't bend over for my hipster flowery language

>>17706562
my club racing is glorious.
500hp subarus
brand new v8 "you know muscle cars can handle now" stang, a fucking GTR, 800hp e46 racecar.

All beaten by at least TWO SECONDS by a sub 100hp ford puma and a pro driver.

(stang was slowest overall even because no matter how much you meme they are still lolcan'tturns)

>>17706575
Nigga who gives a shit about organ donor machines? We're talking about sports cars on a track, and litrebikes can't handle for shit

And I rode a Fireblade, you're supposed to squeeze the tank with your knee as well

>>17706579
>has no arguments

>>17706584
>says the guy who retorted with absolutely no arguments

>>17706579
you suck at driving because you don't understand that there are no fast cars only fast drivers.
There is a thing called "beginner car" and gt86 is one of them, that you can mod as you improve to improve with you.
It's not fucking flowery language, it's generic hobby racer life.
But obivously you chose some automatic suv because you have traffic and want to be comfy and yet you come here and pretend you're an enthusiast.
Suck a dick.

>>17706590
>you suck at driving because you don't understand that there are no fast cars only fast drivers.
except you never implied that

you used these generic umbrella terms to describe pretty much every small light car and somehow suggested that the 86 was the only car able to succeed in these overarching facets which obviously isn't true as there are tons of light cars with lower than average power/torque.

>you can mod them
I wouldn't reduct a car like the 86 as some sort of memetic "its a beginners car" what ever that fucking means, a car is a car, I'd actually like to see some sort of linear trend to where toyota/subaru has exclaimed that this is a perfect novice car, even though their target audience is clearly enthusiasts.

>its not flowery language
"And the great thing is, during the years it takes you to get to know what you're doing, this car will be able to teach you."

How is this not baseless, metricless, flowery language to the point that you have effectively personified the car into some sort of mentor or some shit?

>>17706590
>But obivously you chose some automatic suv because you have traffic and want to be comfy and yet you come here and pretend you're an enthusiast.
nice projecting

>>17706583
Me. They're fun. Drag cars are scary and hard the first ten times but after a while you kind of get into the routine. Bikes are an adventure every time.

Still, straight line is more nerve wracking and intentional than cornering regardless of the number of wheels. Cornering flows like water, and you can only get smoother. Drag is panic mode in comparison. It's an exercise in taking white water rapids and eroding the rocks into a river. From peace, to pandemonium in a split second, until you find peace in that transition.

>can't handle for shit
Faster turn-in than a car and kawasaki's is as light as a 600. Most are getting as light as 600s and with the rider aids capturing the beginner market, manufacturers are going to start canning every sportbike short of 750cc. By 2020 you won't find a bike with an engine smaller than that that isn't JDM+EU import only or budget crap with the cheapest shocks and floppiest frame possible in 2017.

>>17706594
>You can't be an enthusiast and a beginner at the same time

>>17706597
Calm down there Vin Diesel

>>17706607
Enthusiasts implying they already have experience driving/racing and have the ability and knowledge to maintain, fix, and change their car to how ever they feel.

>>17706614
So you're not an enthusiast until you're an expert? Fuck off

>>17706590
beginner bikes are only a meme because of the sheer number of people that can not comprehend braking or turning on a motorcycle, even at modest speeds on public roads

>go 60mph around a slight bend
>OH SHIT WHAT IS LEAN
>run wide and die
this can be seen in countless youtube videos

But the limit of grip is so much higher on cars, and there's enough driver disconnect due to the lack of getting closer to the pavement for people to not think twice about just turning more, so there's no point. You can learn to drive well in almost anything RWD that will skid without flipping and rolling.

>>17706616
Nice bait you dumb faggot, trying to skew and tunr every little thing on its head because you're so fucking autistic you can't infer simple rational on the context of what someone is saying.

>>17706619
>implying I'm the one baiting
Go ride your dragster bike instead of shitposing about a car that doesn't affect you on a Mongolian throat singing forum

>>17706594
Okay according to you you can take a 4 year old kid and throw him in a TVR tuscan and teach him to drive that way.
Nice try fag. A beginners car can be described with flowery words like "fun" and "forgiving" and "easy to learn"
Deal with it, every special award in hot version has gone to cars described with flowery words.

>>17706635
Anything short of a limited production boutique supershitbox for absolute madman is suitable for new and unskilled track and street drivers, even RR por-shays.

>>17706597
>Still, straight line is more nerve wracking and intentional than cornering regardless of the number of wheels. Cornering flows like water, and you can only get smoother. Drag is panic mode in comparison. It's an exercise in taking white water rapids and eroding the rocks into a river. From peace, to pandemonium in a split second, until you find peace in that transition
how to spot anyone who has never done any cornering outside backing out of a parking spot.

>>17706640
t. has never even been to a track

>>17706642
more like how to spot someone who's actually been racing

the launch is always the worst. at least you can make up for fucking it up later.

>>17706635
>Okay according to you you can take a 4 year old kid and throw him in a TVR tuscan and teach him to drive that way.
I never said or implied that, jesus christ I can't imagine your thought train as you jump through these massive hoops to shoe horn what ever you're trying to imply. By using extreme circumstances like a fucking 4 year old in a TVR you're only making yourself look like an asshat

>a beginners car can be described as fun, forgiving, and easy to learn
ok and how is the 86 so special that its in some sort of exclusive group compared to the hundreds of other potential cars that exhibit these same features of what is effectively a sub 1.5 ton vehicle with <200whp?

>>17706640
People who think like you explains a lot.
Like how we were zipping past 911's on the track with me on passanger seat.

>>17706645
Lol I race.
Drag is for fags, it's not a race its competition of who can build the fastest car. And it's fucking boring.
You've never cornered anything at the limit on a tight twistie, have you

>>17706646
TVR is a cheap powerful sportscar, deal with it.
And 86 is special, it takes a retard to not notice that.
Thankfully how toyobaru haters are just shitposting or retarded benchracers as gt86 has won countless "cars of the year" awards and is loved by anyone who is not some fag who mashes throttle in an automatic truck at stoplights.

Sure gt86 is not special as a beginner car.
Guess how many rwd cheap great handling light cars are in production today?
ND and toyobaru.
That's it.

>>17706646
So besides the Miata, what other sub-$30k cars are for sale that are RWD, come predominantly with manuals, handle well out of the factory, have an amazing chassis, and have huge and inexpensive aftermarket support?

And no your beat to shit $6k 240 can't be easily financed or come with a warranty

>>17706659
>TVR is a cheap powerful sportscar, deal with it.
TVR makes more than just cheap powerful sports cars

>the 86 is special
but apparently you can't name any ways in which it is unique from the rest.

>it is special
>sure the gt86 is not a special beginner car

man you got your head up your ass on this one

>>17706662
I didn't know cars had to be RWD to be light, fun and forgiving.

It's not supposed to be fast

>>17706666
>what makes it special
>REEEEEE THAT DOESN'T COUNT
What a wast of a get

>>17706670
>its special
gt86 must be the only RWD ever then

>>17706663
"hurr durr i'm retarded and I get all my information regarding cars EXCLUSIVELY from /o/ busriders"
go outside and drive a twisty in a lightweight, rwd great handling car with a manual gearbox and just enough power.

If you've never done it you will never understand what really is driving pleasure.

>>17706672
see
>>17706662
>>17706659

What other cheap, good handling RWD can you buy new?

>>17706672
>implying gt86 and american 80l 20hp v8 brotruck is same thing
>>>/n/
is that way my friend,

>>17706676
I like how you didn't respond to any of my points and especially when you directly contradicted yourself and now you're sperging all over.

>>17706677
370z comes to mind

a miata, mx-5, genesis

Hell why does it have to be RWD? why can't it be FWD? Like a civic SI, or a veloster or anything else thats sub 3000lbs and about 200hp?

>>17706691
Those don't count because I said so or I'll nitpick on one feature of any of them

>>17706691
Even the base model 370z is significantly more expensive that the FRS or Miata. And the Miata was already mentioned as the only other viable alternative to the FRS, but you conveniently ignored those posts didn't you?

>Genesis
>good handling

>>17706691
Nothing wrong with a Civic Si but FWD and RWD fundamentally handle differently and they're completely different cars

And the Veloster can't handle for shit. The Turbo barely makes 200bhp and it can't put the power down. Fucking torsion beam suspension from the 70s too

>>17706691
im fucking bored and I'm not tryharding because I don't really care if some busriding retards who can't drive hate on a car I don't own but like.
You're probs a decent guy too

But fuck you and FF don't count because it's a layout made not for pleasure and enjoyment but for making the car cheaper for the men in suits and for giving the buyer some faggy ass bonus only some retarded normie cares about like "muh interior space"
god you're so retarded

>>17706699
>Even the base model 370z is significantly more expensive that the FRS or Miata
significantly higher power due to a v6, 29k vs 27k isn't much either. When you're in the sub 30k market and you nitpick about a car that is still sub 30k but closer to 30k than other vehicles you're a whiny bitch.

>genesis
>good handling
congrats see >>17706695

>>17706703
more like

>I can't handle someones opinion and my over inflated ego about my post purchase rationalization of a gt86 and I can't stand people who have different opinions
>MY CAR IS SPECIAL MORE SPECIAL THAN OTHERS! even though they are far more similar than different

>>17706691
>370z comes to mind
>pigfat, affects tides tier 370z vs great handling car with antigravity technology

Nigger I don't think you understand that weight is king.
I mean 370z handles geat and is good at high speed corners but never, fucking ever underestimate a lightweight car.

>>17706708
The $30k 370z is a pig, you need to upgrade to the much more expensive sport coupe model to be able to put down the power

And at that price is just makes more sense to buy a newer Mustang or Camaro with a V8

>>17706708
The Genesis actually handles like ass and the steering feels like sponge. Go drive one

>>17706703
>But fuck you and FF don't count because it's a layout made not for pleasure
oh so the civic si where its been designed as a sporty fun car isn't fun because you said so and you can only have fun with FR and not FF?

>>17706713
>The $30k 370z is a pig
its 3200lbs thats pretty normal for v6 cars of that caliber

>>17706711
>>17706691
How dare people want something other than souped up economy cars?

>>17706708
who the fuck cares about power
gt86 is at least 300kg lighter.
You do understand how insanely important this little thing called "weight" is, right?

>>17706721
the brz is pretty much an impreza without awd

>>17706720
Significantly heavier than the FRS. For that extra $5k you can supercharge an FRS to make the same power while keeping a 400lbs lighter car

>>17706723
>bespoke chassis
>still just an Impreza
Okay

>>17706722
well when a wrx weighs as much but takes turns faster better stronger I'd say the trade off of weight for added power was well worth a car that has superior performance.

>>17706723
Not really.
It's like saying elise is pretty much a corrolla with engine in the middle.

>>17706722
>who the fuck cares about power
The guy that things going is a straight line is fun and dangerous

>>17706728
>3200lbs WRX weighs as much as a 2700lbs FRS

>>17706731
oh so only insecure faggots who go to bed dreaming about sucking dicks?

>>17706724
>For that extra $5k
3k, a brz starts at 26k

>for 5k
so you're going to void the shit out of your warranty to add a super charger to a car that will still have significantly less power and torque than a car merely 3k ahead of it?

>>17706734
the comparison was 500lbs didn't make a significantly enough difference to matter

>>17706738
So just get a V8 Mustang for a mere $2k more than the 370z, the new ones make like 460bhp. It's worth it for that little extra weight and it can out handle an M4

>>17706739
>500lbs isn't a significant difference
That's Amerilard logic

>>17706741
>So just get a V8 Mustang for a mere $2k more than the 370z
because that blows the arbitrary 30k limit didn't you say it had to be sub 30k?

>>17706742
clearly its not, when another car that weighs 500lbs more is doing bigger better faster stronger things you'd bet your ass it didn't matter in that case

>>17706743
You're not getting a 370z for under $30k brand new
>taxes
>delivery fees
>dealer markups

>>17706746
>>17706739
Are you that same WRX shitposter from yesterday who thinks their Impreza is good at handling?

>>17706738
and have 300kg+ less weight and newer, better chassis and being way easier forgiving to drive.

Lets not forget that most drivers are dumb faggots whose racing aspiration begins and ends with being faster at a stoplight and they will and have getting btfo in ther super powerful MUH HORSEPOWER AND TORKS by a miata driven by anyone with moderate racing experience on any track.

Even if you get a gt86 or miata and few years of practice + pro coaching you will be faster than 99% of people in any car on any track.

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>>17706666
They have to be RWD to be worth half a shit. The 86 is a near-perfect body (meeting modern bullshit safety standards) with a modest engine. This is why wealthier enthusiasts buy the 86 and jam other shit under the hood, like a Jackson supercharger (300HP) an LS (450+), or that one mother fucker that jammed a Ferrari engine into his(550+) or that crazy oil-sheikh nigger that has a quad-turbo v12 in his(800 HP and climbing)
It's a Japanese Foxbody without factory engine options, and the trade-off is you get three-and-a-half decades of engineering poured into its frame and LSD to improve the driving experience.
>But you could get [x], used, for cheaper and have [y] more horsepower
Then do it.
The 86 is slower than a minivan, but would you barrel a minivan into hairpin turns at 60mph? No, because you'd roll the thing and die. The 86 is slower than a Miata, according to motortrend's head-to-head, but in the same episode they double back and say they'd rather choose the 86 because it's a better package overall.

What I don't understand is why we're still having this conversation. The ft86 has been around for 5 years, and is being discontinued in a year to make way for a successor. Why do you all need to take time out of your day to fight over the car 5 years after it was released? Man, five years ago, you and your friend went to a restaurant, and he ordered a rack of ribs for 30 bucks, and you got a burger and fries for 15. And for the following half a decade, you've been calling this person in the dead of night and writing them lengthy, 10-page letters telling them that the burger and fries was more filling and a better value. To what end?

>>17706760
He was molested by an FRS

>>17706767
This explains everything.

>>17701902
https://youtu.be/u0l6QMEiOdE

I just bought a new BRZ. I got it because it's decently quick for what it is. It's lightweight, nimble, handles well and I think it looks really good.

Coming from only shitboxes this is fast for me. For others used to faster cars I can understand why people think it's slow. I funny need the fastest thing in the world though. I just need something enjoyable to drive.

>>17706782
The only people who call it slow are bus riders that compare the automatic version's 0-60 times with a minivan

I'd get a tune to fix the torque dip in the mid range and another set of wheels with sticky tires and hit the track. No need to waste money on other sikk mawds and ruin a car that's perfectly trackable and daily drivable at the same time
Ask me how I know

>>17702557
>born in '75
>still shitposts on a cantonese basket weaving forum
my dude... get your life sorted

>>17701949
>>17706271
The problem with the 86/BRZ is exclusive to the engine.
That NA boxer regularly posts less than advertised on the Dyno. Your average Used FRS will likely dyno at 160-170hp at the crank.
There has been reports of new FRS's dynoing as low as 140hp crank.
The biggest single issue preventing me from buying one new right now is Toyota/Subaru is acutely aware of the problem yet as soon as you mod the car you void the warranty.
Tldr buy a used one, shop around for one certified that offers a warranty that doesn't have that clause

>>17707092
You mean at the wheels? And you can easily get a reversible tune to fix the torque issues