[ D a i l y B i k e T h r e a d ] - /dbt/

Im thinking old cb500 or 550 four or suzuki gs400 cafe bike.

I'm unsure of what bike for lams though...
probably just a cbr250.

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>>17587311
How old of a CB 500 are you talking about? The Four or the twin? Twin a gud for beginners.

S E M
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>>17587315
four

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>>17587303
1st for SRC 950
Old school majesty

>>17587317
Why though?

>>17587320
Looks.

>>17587318
This is quite nice.
I wouldn't cafe racer a modern bike though.

If I had that I would just change the pipes, and repaint the gas tank.

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>>17587303
That bike actually looks bretty good.

Posting the best standard bike ever made, no actually the best motorcycle ever made.

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>dad wants to testride a KTM 1050 Adventure
>I come with mostly to ride a bit, not really interested in KTM's tbqh.
>Wander the dealership, nothing really grabs my eye
>Go to the clerk "Hey do you have a 1290R I could maybe testride as well?" more as a joke than anything
>I am 25, been riding my SV for a year. I fully expect him to tell me to fuck off especially since I didn't have an appointment or anything
>"Sure I'll get the keys"
>wutface.jpg
>Sudden minor bowel movement as I am now becoming aware that this may be a very expensive day as I mount the 177hp motorcycle that everyone calls "The Beast" (2.0)
>Pretty comfortable seat, good riding position and it actually fits my 187cm frame very very well
>Fire it up, a low rumble from the akrapovic greets me
>sweatypalms engage
>Get in first, slowly engage the clutch
>I'm gonna fuck this up for sure
>I don't, it's smooth as butter.
>I go, very little throttle but it handles most gears well at nearly every speed
>insanely smooth engine breaking
>nearly telepathic throttle response
>very nimble for its 190 rear
>"why is this called the beast, this rides just like my SV only better"
>hit the throttle to overtake in 3rd gear
>Oh.
>Never done a wheelie in my life, suddenly popped cherry still doesn't panic me because this bike just infuses me with confidence

Honestly, I did not care much for the brand, the design or the "aura" around it.
People call it "the beast" everywhere like it's gonna murder your whole extended family if you look at it funny.
But my god this thing is perfection. You could give this to a careful beginner to be honest. The only thing that was bad about it was the display but I did not really give a flying fuck.

now I have to find some way to get 12k, until then
>tfwno1290r

I dunno maybe my opinion will change as I learn more about bikes but I kind of think a cafe racer should only be made from an old bike or at least an imitation old bike.

Taking something modern and fucking up it's performance to look vintage is retarded.

An old bike with a few old fashioned mods that suit it's era is okay.

Grom is love
Grom is life

We need more attention grabbing OP pictures in the bike threads.

>>17587336
see what you mean. i was a bit underwhelmed after my testride but stil bought a used one. do not regret it one bit. it does everything and so well.

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>>17587396
All we'll ever need

I hate cafe racers

Like seriously I hate them... I hate seeing hipster punks buying up old classics and cutting them up to please their own pathetic quest for uniqueness. Speaking of which, you'd be more unique riding something that is NOT a cafe racer nowadays.

Looking through bikes for sale, 30 % of them are some ugly ass cafe racer, brat style, scrambler or whatever offshoot. Most of them looking generic and with shitty craftsmanship.
Oh and then they think they can charge you through the nose for them....
And then there is the 10 % which are cafe racers made by OilWrenchGasDogsHandsGreaseMonkey-whatever garage startup. Usually better quality, but still bland and generic as fuck....

And the remaining 60% classics have gone up in price considerably.

And lastly, its now gotten SO bad that all bike companies are putting out bobber, cafe racer, scrambler or whatever variants... So now the hipster bitches dont even have to get their hands dirty to look unique...

It makes me sick

>>17587457
I wanna see bone-stock comfy boat touring bike races.

>>17587478
That actually sounds interesting. I support it

>>17587472
why you heff to be mad
it's just bikes

I can't get more than two rides out of my bike without needing to repair something.

Dying in neutral. Backfiring. Overheating. Electrical circuit becoming defunct (e.g. blinker goes out). I cant trust my bike to leave city limits.

Dealer says the they cant see much wrong with the engine.

What do? I want to travel but cant put even a speck of trust on my bike...

>>17587510
sell your dukey

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>>17587478
+1 make it happen

>>17587510
>falling for the euro meme

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>>17587509
better than a bobber.

>>17587472
I know what you mean, anon.

Ducati isn't even owned by Harley Davidson (yet) and still they're making shit like the Scrambler and X Diavel, and we both know the type of people that they were meant for.

We live in dark times.

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Tfw you'll never own one because you live in California

>>17587472
If you didn't cut them up then the stock ones wouldn't be as unique.

By making stock ones less gay we are helping the wah wah wah they made an old bike better than stock babies feel like special snow flakes.

I don't see the problem. By destroying stock ones you are making the others worth more.

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>>17587520
Forgot picture.

>>17587520
The only guy I know with an Xdiavel is an old black guy. Pretty cool guy

>>17587472
>Bikes look too generic
>They'd be unique if they were all stock

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>>17587523
this is a cafe racer
its fine. i just hate bobbers

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>>17587532
Not that anon, but I don't think 'generic' is quite the word. Instead I'd say that they're too artifcial.

>>17587538
I am thinking cb500 cafe racer is the bike I want to build.
Just don't know enough about bikes to be sure yet.

>>17587315
where and when is SEM ?
I have bike that I cant fucking ride because i only have A2 license.

This would be a good project if it was running or being sold at a reasonable price.

You wouldn't be ruining an original bike for a cafe racer.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/coorparoo/motorcycles/honda-cb-500-550/1154678708

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>>17587568
why a cb? why not a RD250

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>>1758751
Actually is orange

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB500T-/142444901013?hash=item212a60b295:g:SqEAAOSwfVpYomn6&rmvSB=true

Would you be able to cafe racer this and turn it back to stock?

>>17587590
>RD250
can old 250s keep up with modern traffic?

I think cbs are good looking bikes that don't take much to make a good cafe racer.

Some cafe racers are just ugly and half assed and that's not what I want.

>>17587336
>You could give this to a careful beginner to be honest

As every bike, my first bike was a 2006 R1...
But yeah, the 1290R is a great bike :)

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>>17587607
they will because they are a ton lighter. also this is one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5pngXIQOQ
>Reddit rides motorcycles

>>17587472
I used to think like you, like, 100% like you but now, honestly, it's starting to get me... i'm looking more at bikes like the nine T, thruxton R and Norton...

Never test rode one tho...

>>17587607
They handle like shit, have horrid brakes and have spaghetti frames, idk if you would want to keep up to traffic on one.

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>tfw lumpy oil

>>17587638
that seems to be bits of metal.

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>>17587636
thats why you can feel guilt free about upgrading them to a cafe racer.
sounds like a win win. you get that nice smell and good engine and a upgraded chassis and suspension

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>>17587638
don't tell me those are shaving

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>>17587642
you are correct, heres a bit of bearing jammed into the casing

>>17587636
wrong.

I have spoken to people who own them about how they handle and the general consensus was not as well as modern sport bikes but still pretty good.

Many claimed to own newer sport bikes as well as their cafe bikes.

>Be reasonable
>Give up on life, buy a liter

Tough choice

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>>17587650
what if i did?

>>17587662
either way, it shows more potential than a cb

>>17587689
this is a blue board anon, stop posting gore

Maybe when I learn more about bikes I will stop liking cafe racers bu until I discover a bike that handles at least as well as a cafe racer while also being creative to build like a bobber or cafe then cafes are my favourite style of bike.

>>17587694
B-

See me after class.

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>>17587693
but i havent even posted the murder weapon yet

>>17587626
What a bunch of attention whores.

>>17587702
your bottom end bearing shattered?

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>>17587694
how about this one

>>17587702
It was a suzuki?

>>17587701
Name another kind of bike that is

creative like a bobber

but

handles at least as well as a 70's sports bike or modern standard.

Because that's what I want.

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>>17587708
sort of

>>17587717
no

>>17587711
So this isn't a cafe racer?

>>17587711
Don't like the look, but it looks like it's so nice to do maintenance on. Plenty of space.
Although I can't judge how much is blocked off by other stuff.

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>>17587718
Streetfighter

>handles at least as well as a 70's sports bike or modern standard.
On a scale going from one to harley, how much do you like speed wobbles?

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did SAM happen ?

>>17587732
I don't like that kind of look.

I'd rather just have a stock looking cbr.

>>17587738
>queefs on f800s

>>17587738
Of course not.
>Implying that SAM could happen in any reality.

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>>17587722
it is now, but stock it was a standard

>>17587745
>adv bikes in general

le thicc meme of the bike world

>>17587738
they're probably all recovering from prolapsed assholes

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>>17587721

>>17587740
Okay, so it's not what you want.

You want to scoot around on something all the other kids think is cool. Go get a used ducati monster. Put aisde $1000 every two years for maintenance or set aside that much for a one-time tool shopping spree

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This is a long shot, but does anyone have a givi topcase?

Just curious, some topcases seem to wobble back and forth quite a lot. I've been looking at the mounting plates and it appears that there's only two bolts in the center of the plate supporting the box. What's to stop it pitching forward and back?

>>17587757
Basically I want the customised datsun 510 of the bike world.

To me that seems like a cafe racer.

>>17587755
figured

>>17587760
all motorcycle luggage is overpriced trash these days, basically. things like givi trunk carriers are poorly made.

pay a welder $500 and a pile of stainless steel to make you a trunk, two panniers, and a rack. enjoy life with your solidly mounted, waterproof, durable luggage system that doubles as support for soft bags. hell, it could even be some quick release shit. but with padlocks, any more complicated and you're vomiting cash into the man's lap.

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>>17587764
then this is the bmw 2002? wtf its a bike bro

>>17587784
I like this bike.

What kind is it?

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>>17587794
it said right on the engine case.
but its a cafe racer now.

>>17587800
This one looked better before.

Other bikes like the honda cb look better after.

>>17587812
Your mum looked better before she gave birth to you.

>>17587835
rekt

>>17587835
Of course she did. That was almost 30 years ago.

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guzzi?
anyone have an opinion?

>>17587873
pure sex

Honda a good.
Yamaha a good.
Kawasaki a good.
Suzuki a good.
Anyone who says otherwise is delusional

>>17587890
What about BMW?

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>>17587897
the bmws i have ridden have felt somewhat refined too much. if you ride a ducati or aprilia first you notice it.
the k75 felt like it had an electric motor even.

>>17587578
28-30th, Pfunds.

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>>17587910
Ducati a best.

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>>17587924
eh they are all different.

>>17587890
Hond a good.
Yamaha a ugly.
Kawasaki a fast.
Suzuki basically honda but not taxed by reliability memes. Thanks to all the squids and their hour long willies for creating a myth around suzuki's not lasting very long.

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>>17587932
Sorry, anon, but the Panigale's chassis/construction effects my benis.

>>17587924
>Ducati a best.

not the best but they are unique and different from their jap counterparts.

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>>17587946
Remarkably.

>>17587963
what is a failure? engine blows up? those all seem too high

>>17587956
Yeah, all that soul, all that character, all that design language directly lifted off honda's GP bikes.

I heard they were going full honda and planning V4s to go with their shiny new twin spar frames.

>Ducati VFR1199 Panafat

>>17587974
In-warranty problem that was honored by the dealer and not disregarded as operator inflicted

Most are assembly issues which is why you see more failures in brands that use more hand assembly
Some are bad batches of aprts
Fewer are design flaws like shitty shunt R/Rs frying the whole bike (so the dealer can put a new shunt R/R in)

>>17587897
They're good too but those four are compared very often.

>>17587946
Yamaha's are good too mate.

This is not your blog
fuck off
You know who you are

Just bought a 2005 ninja 250 with 3000 miles for $1300, had it checked out by a shop and everything's great, doesn't even need choke to start unless it's something like 50 degrees and raining.

Any advice on how to prioritize what gear I get first? I have a shoei helmet, some work boots, and shitty motocross gloves, but I intend to not be a squid forever.

Also does anyone have any advice that isn't covered in the basic rider course?

>>17588034
Buy proficient motorcycling, it's a great book.

Buy a jacket first and then some riding jeans or pants with armor and better gloves, then worry about your boots

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>>17588034
GSXR750
flip flops
this shirt

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>>17588044
This shirt.

>>17588049
I really wanna see a vid of a guy with a fireblade confronting that SV650 owner. Would have been legendary

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>be me
>just completed msf course and got license
>went to dealership and bought 2011 S1000rr (rebuilt)
>ride it home
>fucking with the settings
>"slick mode"
>oo whats this
>touch throttle
>mfw

im probably gonna die fagg/o/ts, wake me up from this mistake i have done

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>>17588077
Darwinism at its finest

Unrelated: road I planned on riding today was closed for a marathon.
>mfw

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Kawasaki?

>>17588130
You should have pushed past security and motivated the runners to perform better.

>>17588132
kawapoopi

>>17588138
t. hondumb

>>17588138
So it's not a suzuki gnx?

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>>17587987
Wasn't the Desmosedici a 989cc V4? Breddy sure it was. That was a stolen design from the Honda? I look forward to a proper duc 999/998cc V4 to compete on a level playing field motor-wise with the japs because frankly I am sick and tired of hearing how great the ducs are when they get 300 extra cc's over the japs just to be competitive with them...and of course the price difference, Shit I can buy like 2-3 jap bikes for the cost of one duc. I honestly think the Apes are better bikes

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>>17588077
pics or fake

>>17587336
Perhaps it's really "the beast" in a devilish sense. All that power, so easy to use. Until you go for a little too much, then it's off to the 9th circle of snap city with you

>>17587520
The XDiavel isn't made for the hardcore Harley crowd though, they seem to hate the vrod for some reason, and the XDiavel is a similar concept.

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>>17588132
Kawasaki. And its even a Ninja

Is there any real difference between a proper "biker" leather boot and just a leather boot

>>17588192
yes

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>>17587987
AFAIK Ducati's next sbk will still have the 1199/1299's fancy construction. As for the V4, they went with that because they thought a 1000cc V2 wouldn't be competitive in Moto GP and the easiest way around that was to double their existing V Twin into a V4, thus the Desmosedici.

>>17587336
This is why it is always best to testride different bikes.

>>17588200

w-what is it

>>17588207
>because they thought a 1000cc V2 wouldn't be competitive in Moto GP


because there is no way it would be

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>>17588152
>I can buy like 2-3 jap bikes for the cost of one duc

but youll be one duc swimming in a vast ocean of honda civics, i mean, jap sportbikes.

>>17587311
If you must cafe, ignore the desperate current faggotry and actually style it after proper cafe machines of its own or earlier eras.

A square seat shows owner was too lazy to fab a proper, and simple, seat pan. Too many "cafe" mods then and now were butcher jobs.

Also note clip-on bars are uncomfortable and any machine under 500cc is a joke, just like tiny choppers/bobbers.

Instead of pissing away money on a styling exercise/destruction of increasingly rare vintage CB and buying a CBR 250, do the intelligent thing and invest in one much better motorcycle. You won't ride a cafe project much or at all if you have a superior sporting machine.

>>17588217
-better ankle support
-skid plates/replaceable
-more breathable/wicking interior
-usually bottom tread designed for rearsets to seat comfortably
-better fastening to foot (clasp)/ even if shoelace they are designed to be snag free
-anti-skid soles/usually rubber from bottom rolled over for better engagement on road

stuff like that. Go look at some good motorcycle specific type of boot (alpinestars for example) and then just a regular generic type boot and you will see all kinds of differences

>>17588255

The only Dec I would buy with my own money.

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>>17587457
needs this brake-disk

>>17587963
>victory/indian

Eat your heart out Harley fags and eurobros.

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>>17588253
Even with the lower minimum weight It would need to rev up to ridiculous speeds to keep up with the 4s. Good luck pulling that off, specially with Ducati's special snowflake valves.

That's why V Twins get extra 200cc on WSBK.

Does anyone have a honda nm4?
I'm thinking about finding a dealership to test ride one at to see if it can convert me from standard sport bikes to a touring/cruiser guy.

>>17588255
Yeah but my civic, I mean jap sportbike will have a full titanium exhaust of my choosing, a flash and custom tune, Roto-Box or BST carbon fiber rims, trick paint of my choosing, race tires of my choosing, full ohlins, trick Brembos, nice rearsets of my choosing, etc etc etc. All specifically picked out by me for me.

And I'll still have money left for trackdays.

>>17588290
would be only fair to allow six cylinders again

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towing companies were probably making a killing during this event

>>17588307
Or you could just save yourself the hassle and time an buy a Ducati thats ready to go off the lot.

>>17588310
I'd like that, but for production bikes. Imagine a 1000cc 6 cylinder superbike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBbskqcgs_o

HNNNNG

>>17587520
>Ducati isn't even owned by Harley Davidson (yet)

HD got burned twice in its long corporate history buying Italian companies for no reason besides utter incompetence at designing anything other than traditional HD twins. They won't be buying Ducati because they need to conserve capital for their next in-house designs in a flat market.

>>17587472
Most of those old bikes weren't awesome to begin with. I worked on them when they were new. They were good machines but there were relatively few great ones. At least the conversion demand keeps people actually riding them therefore maintaining the vital aftermarket parts business without which nobody gets parts support. It's quite like choppers which are also folk art.

You sound butthurt. Want unique? Quit crying about what other people do and build what you want yourself.

In what local riding universe are there many cafe racers or chops? Unless you live in specific areas of California or Florida there aren't many of either on the street except for rallies.

The motorcycling culture died when motorcycles got so easy to work on you didn't need to be a mechanic to ride them. Get over it. I did, and I came from that world. Riding a motorcycle is as special as driving a Taurus. If you aren't in it for the ride and just want a social differentiator, motorcycles stopped being that in the nineteen fucking eighties.

No styling is unique. Get over it. Modified consumer products aren't special unless customised with one-off components. Unwedge your panties and go ride something.

>mfw need a 10 cent part to finish my mini project and shops are closed

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>>17588306

>>17588347
but muh akira

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>>17588345

>>17588346
>motorcycle shops
>selling anything under a dollar

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>>17588355
Fine, fine, fap to this.

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>>17588307

you can mod up ducatis too and still have money left over for trackdays

>>17588386
>>17588386
Do you like the bike? This is the only one I'm really interested in test riding as I don't like riding cruisers but this looks interesting enough to give a try.

>>17587510
This is a teachable moment.

Always buy for utter reliability first and ignore anyone contending otherwise because YOUR choice costs THEM nothing.

>But muh stying!

Poor babby, buy one to park and cum on while you ride something else.

If you attend classic motorcycle rallies you'll see most bikes get there by trailer because their owners know they are Sunday rides for short range use.

Never trust fanbois. Anyone who isn't an experienced mechanic has no valid opinion on reliability and no, their individual anecdote doesn't mean shit. Visit brand and model specific forums (this isn't one, get over that, too) and check for issues and fixes on anybike you are considering.

I just met a gent who has 200,000 miles (no typo) on his custom self-built 1970s Norton Commando but he's a god tier Norton guy who built his own EFI system to work with the kickstarter and machined his own rear belt drive pulleys. Unless you are in that league, never have an exotic as your main ride. (By the time you get in that league you'll have a garage full to choose from anyway, rendering that point moot.)

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>>17588392
I don't like that it only has a DCT tranny but other than that I do find it rather appealing, yes.

>>17587510
>>17587510
This is a teachable moment.

Always buy for utter reliability first and ignore anyone contending otherwise because YOUR choice costs THEM nothing.

>But muh stying!

Poor babby, buy one to park and cum on while you ride something else.

If you attend classic motorcycle rallies you'll see most bikes get there by trailer because their owners know they are Sunday rides for short range use.

Never trust fanbois. Anyone who isn't an experienced mechanic has no valid opinion on reliability and no, their individual anecdote doesn't mean shit. Visit brand and model specific forums (this isn't one, get over that, too) and check for issues and fixes on anybike you are considering.

I just met a gent who has 200,000 miles (no typo) on his custom self-built 1970s Norton Commando but he's a god tier Norton guy who built his own EFI system to work with the kickstarter and machined his own rear belt drive pulleys. Unless you are in that league, you don't need an old or new exotic as your main ride. (By the time you get in that league you'll have a garage full to choose from anyway, rendering that point moot.)

>>17588259
I agreed with you until that last part.

>>17588330
Time and hassle picking out super trick parts to trick-out your superbike? Yeah how shitty kek. Those pesky options to make my bike exactly what I want and further optimized than a duc. How horrible. Besides what Ducati is ready to go off the lot? What the no longer offered 55-60k Superleggera? The no longer offered 70-75k Desmosedici? And how optimized are the ducs compared to one I specifically built for me? You would still need to drop huge coin on the duc.

How new are you exactly? And even if you had your 75k ultra-rare can't afford to bin it desmo I would still kick your ass on the track with my japbike...because I had lots of money to go to the track to hone my skills. Or I suppose you think that merely owning the duc makes you a better pilot too?

>>17587607
Old 250s aren't worth bothering with. RDs were fun when new but that was a long time ago. The only intelligent use of a titled RD 250 is a home for an RD 350 engine, but RDs were the Ninja 250 of their day and got the shit beaten out of them. Anything restorable is best left to collectors and restored.

Old CBs were much more reliable, much heavier, and don't handle by modern standards. They are "standards". A cruiser in drag remains a standard unless it's in a Seeley or Rickman chassis and I guarantee you don't want to spend that much money.

If you cafe, study the classics and don't waste your time on small displacement engines.

>>17588389
Of course you can mod a duc but then why buy a 30k bike when the jap 17k bike will outperform it? You are going to mod either one so what is the benefit of getting the much more expensive duc to begin with?

>>17587635
Modern British classic bikes are the logical conclusion of older, similar classics. NVT (Norton Villiers Triumph) died because of union strikes, no quality control and unreliable obsolete engine designs, not their styling, ergonomics, light weight or simplicity.

The modern versions of Triumph and Norton got it right and aren't copies of hobbyist machines, but continuations of their original motorcycles.

>>17588444
No need to get salty, not everyone wants to spend time digging through aftermarket catalogs looking for better parts.

HD is truely the poster child for both groups.

Theyve got "factory customs" that offer nearly anything a harley fag could want and an aftermarket twice the size of any competitor.

>>17588345
>specific areas of california
Venice Beach, checking in. Can confirm cafes and choppers every other bike

>>17587873
Visit Guzzi forums for valid opinions on that specific model. This is not a Guzzi forum. If you buy a Goose you WILL fucking need to be smart about them.

>>17587897
BMW good but expensive to maintain and don't have much aftermarket compared to Japs.

BMWOA is a great owners association.

Avoid buying used unless you are a mechanic. Buy the factory service manual for any BMW you may own. It's worth the price.

>>17588345
>The motorcycling culture died when motorcycles got so easy to work on you didn't need to be a mechanic to ride them. Get over it. I did, and I came from that world. Riding a motorcycle is as special as driving a Taurus. If you aren't in it for the ride and just want a social differentiator, motorcycles stopped being that in the nineteen fucking eighties.

so edgy

I gave reasons why I hate cafe racers... And its the same reason why I hate people chopping up old Model As or whatever to suit some customzing fad that will be soon forgotten again.

Stop sounding like you are some bike guru thats "done it all" and "gotten over it"....

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never get tired of the ass

>>17588307

And you, unlike the Duck owner, can afford to crash on track days and have money left over for a street bike so your track bike can be risked without making you a pedestrian.

>>17588338
Sounds like a goddamn air raid siren having sex with a spaceship.

Those pops on decel make the small penis the big penis.

>>17588367
Does that mean harley could have a not shit v-twin in its future?

Cuz that might make me hate harley less.

>>17588367
Epic idiocy considering the MoCo fucked up buying Aermacchi (then getting crushed by Japan) and MV Agusta.

http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/business/100759404.html

They didn't even know what to do with Buell except run it into the ground.

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>>17588501
I am not really salty and I am not saying that ducs are bad, just overpriced...along with the majority of parts for them. The jap bikes are so popular for a reason though. They offer top tier performance at a reasonable pricepoint that makes them hard to walk away from. In this regard those most attracted to the Ducs are attracted to them for OTHER reasons such as looks or status or niche which is fine but that is what makes them literal poser bikes when compared to the japs. And Ducati has made a killing on this status symbol because thus far they have not been able to compete on a level playing field with the japbikes.

Can you imagine a Duc that is a conventional 998/999cc inline-4 or even V4 at a comparable pricepoint to the japs? That's what I want to see. Take away the boutique/poser status of the Duc and watch it compete on a legitimate level playing field. Now that would make my dick hard for a duc. This is one of the reasons I like the Aprilia. They are taking the japs on at their own game and in some respects kicking ass. Theur motors are great, their chassis/suspension/brakes are excellent. Pricepoints closer to the japs. That's why I would own the ape over the duc.

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>>17588461
Friendly reminder that the Panigale is constantly seem at the top field of Superstock/Superbike championships the world over.

It's expensive, sure, but don't go around with this talk of 'it's not as good' or 'muh Japanese is better'.

>>17588345
>The motorcycling culture died when motorcycles got so easy to work on you didn't need to be a mechanic to ride them.

What? Please expand on this statement.

>>17588675
Kids these days spend their times riding their motorcycles like they're common vehicles instead of spending most of their time socialising while they collectively repair their constantly breaking machines.

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Ok /dbt/, Not specifically motorbikes, but close:

What do you use to haul bikes around? Sportbikes, dirtbikes, whatever. What do you take to track days or long trips to actual fun roads (chicago is flat and boring, bruh) or innawoods?

Its high time I replace my fiesta and I want something that I can throw a CBR in, so bonus points if it doesn't suck to DD.

>>17588706
you could get a van or a trailer?

trailers are cheap to get.

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>>17588624
>im not salty
>overpriced because i dont have a job
>nikka you salty as fuck

>>17588750
>>17588706

Sorry, I think I wasn't all that clear; I'm looking for anecdotes.
What does /dbt/ actually use to do some of these things? What are the pros and cons of your set up?

>>17588624
The reason id like to have a ducati is the unique engine layout, jap i4s are boring af.

>>17588706
when my old bike broke down I used a flatbed, shit's scary yo

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>>17588777
>Tfw Honda could make V4 superbikes but doesn't.

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>>17588657
Yes with much larger motors which give them much more torque at a significantly higher pricepoint than the japs they are competitive. Its comparing apples to oranges in this regard. Can a duc compete in an apples to apples comparison? Same basic motor, same basic pricepoint? We both know the answer is no...not yet at least. As I said above I am not saying ducs are bad, but they have made their money off of being different so it is very hard to directly compare them. Apples and oranges...always apples and oranges. I want to see ducati make an apple damnit. And them see if it would be competitive with the other apples.

WSBK:
1 Kaw 341
2 Kaw 282
3 Duc 226
4 Duc 189
5 Yam 148
6 Duc 132
7 Yam 129
8 MV 99
9 BMW 94
etc
KAW is killing it

STK1000:
1 DUC 90
2 KAW 89
3 YAM 67
4 YAM 56
5 BMW 52
6 APR 41
7 KAW 38
8 KAW 35
9 APR 35
etc
So the Duc is currently holding a single point yet has a much larger engine and much more torque. This to me is a testament to the jap bikes not the Duc.

And of course there are much more variables to think of such as how many of that make on the grid? How good are the pilots? How much money are they spending? etc. And then how does that relate to the STREET bikes? What does a ZX-10R cost? And the Ducati? This to me is telling. Another example: I can spend 75k on a desmo or 50k on an H2R. Again apples to oranges but if I look at prevalent performance numbers the friggin H2R is putting out like 326whp while the desmo is like 165whp and the hp/wt ratios are heavily in favor for the jap bike. So again, jap bike offers the much better value. Yes forced induction to N/A but this is a bang for the buck comparison...we already know that the Jap N/A's are consistently putting out more whp than the desmo's V4.

just had a pita of a time putting a phone mount on my bike since there was no room for the clamp to fit on the clip ons

>>17588077
>(rebuilt)
Why did you think this was a good idea

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>>17588690
>tfw just got done with a frame swap, tapered roller bearing for neck, valve check, new vcg, new headers, radiator, radiator fan, rad hoses, tracked down wire gremlins, and lots more

>tfw did a frame off restoration/cafe build with brother fairing recently

You must not mean me I'll disregard :D

>cafefag still posting and seeking validation of his already-convinced opinion while pretending to ask for a second opinion

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>app says im leaning over 52 degrees
>Q3s still have significant strips

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>tfw going out for a long morning ride

Is there a better feeling?

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>>17588751
Right because people who buy jap bikes can ONLY afford jap bikes. Ducs are overpriced because they are boutique bikes. "Buy a Duc, almost as good of performance as the jap bikes for only twice the price!" kek

>>17588877
its not just leaning, its accelerating under those angles.

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>>17588877
>trusting what the app says.

According to one I used before I had an 82 degree lean angle several times on my ninja 650

>>17588877
what app?

>all these salty poorfags with no Ducati money

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>>17588751
>buying a Ducati

neveragain.exe

>>17588883
A more comfy bike.

>>17588904
Im poor and I'm ok with not having a Ducati

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>>17588825
Much larger engine but half the cylinders. The Panigale also doesn't rev up to 15000rpm, mate. There's a good reason those extra 200cc are there.

Anyway, they competed 1000cc x 1000cc back in the 999r days and still won. Honda joined their 'oranges' with the VTR1000 and Ducati - although they lost - fought tooth and nails against it while nobody else could.

On this year's WSBK Jhonny Rea is killing it, with the Ducati bikes being the ONLY ones really being able to challenge him. In fact, if Davies kept himself from going full retarded every other race he could very well be up there with him.

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>>17588914
Get yourself a comfier bike them senpai. What are you currently riding?

>>17588925
But my bike is already comfy af.

>>17588077
Just remember don't fear the skid demons and you'll be alright

>>17588903
diablo super biker

>>17588904

Looking at buying a Monster today :)

>>17588967
>buying the worst ducati.

Why, anon?

>>17588999

Because their styling makes me moist. Monsters are the most aesthetic naked bikes IMO.

>>17588999
Because he has money unlike you poor boy. But for real why the monster man?

>>17589016
>why buy Ducati?

BECAUSE I GOT THE MONEY MAN!

christ you are a moron.

>>17589016

I'm in the military so I'm still pretty much a poorfag but am okay financially. It's being sold for 5000, has 3500 miles on it (2009 696), and has been a garage queen for a rich dude. I want a beautiful bike that will push the limits of my mechanical knowledge, I plan on doing as much maintenance (including valve adjustments) myself as possible.

>>17588921
Yes they handicapped themselves in one regard so they can have much larger capacity, and have then spent lots of money trying to eliminate that previous concession. But that is a valid response for sure. Do the inlines rev to 15k? I thought it was more like 14.2/.5k or so, and even lower on most of the streetbikes. I think the new street Honda is only revving to around 13k which was a bump from their previous 12.2. What is the redline on the street Ducati 11.5k? But now I am talking about street bikes vs dedicated race bikes so...

I see the ducs making peak torque around 8750 while the inlines have been biasing upwards towards 10k in later gens. So the duc makes much more torque lower in the rev range and still makes good power up in the rev range yet still gets beaten by the inline. What am I to extrapolate from this? Now the street bikes we see this and the ducs even weigh a little less. So why do they get whooped on the streets so often? Again, what am I supposed to confirm from this? I confirm that they are relatively underperforming yet cost considerably more. Having said all that you absolutely have a point when referencing the twins vs twins. I do think it is hard to beat a twin duc with another twin because they invested so much in their twins R&D/bumping compression and raising redlines. But at the end of the day they need a much larger engine to still usually lose to a smaller inline. Do you disagree? This has been a good back and forth though. Respect.

>>17588946
Wut bike

>>17589016
You're not wrong, but I don't see what that has to do with the Monster being the ugliest duc - except maybe the multistrada.

>>17589069
Chief classic.

>>17589092
Hnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg

>muh jap bikes are superior
>ducati strong both in GP and SBK
>Aprilia races motoGP with basically a streetbike
>KTM dominates the off-road

We've reached the point where the japanese (KTM too) is throwing money at their problems while italians keep reinventing the wheel

>>17589105
Found the delusional pastacuck

>>17589094
It is probably the most comfy stock seat I've sat on

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>>17589110
>guys, what if we put a swingarm, but on the front
>yeah, and then we make a literbike that weighs 140kgs
Same with ducati and their canards
I'd post the interview about Kawasaki copying ducati frame dynamics, but i didn't find it in time

>>17589105
>we've reached the point where both japs and shitllians are being morons

what did he mean by this?

>>17589137
he probably want me to buy an eternal anglo bike

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>>17589129
They're super nice for sure. If I could afford a chieftain right now I would have one but dat roadstar I have has a super comfy seat as well. I can get on that thing for a whole day and not get sore.

>>17588574
Everything I posted is fact.

It will remain fact like it or not, and nothing I posted is at all edgy. Your butthurt is childish. Too poor to afford what you want? Get better at hunting it.

The "pre-appliance" culture died (except for niches like the vintage restoration and serious chopper communities) because the barrier to entry which acted as a filter went away. That's GOOD from the POV of obtaining reliable motorcycles!

Be happy. I don't mourn having to wait for badly mimeographed flyers to order aftermarket parts which may or may not suck and were very difficult to get honest reviews on because bike mags couldn't afford to piss off advertisers.

Skinning out Model As to get a solid steel body deprives museums (who got theirs long ago) of nothing, and hot rods are themselves classics. A bone stock A vs one with a flathead V8 loaded with vintage speed parts is no contest when it comes to kool, and you can drive the hot rod on the street without getting run over. Hot rodding is not a fad and goes back to gow job Model Ts. No one living today was around when it began. If you think hot rodding is a fad you are ignorant. Take my word for absolutely nothing and go learn more instead of making a fool of yourself you fucking crybaby.

As old bike mechanics go I'm very well informed because I was alert when history was happening and remain in the community today. The true gurus are all over sixty with many in their eighties. It takes that long and I'm not that old yet. Do it yourself if such things interest you.

You don't need someone else's past or the artifacts thereof. Compared to old rides the machines of your youth are far better motorcycles. Collect them and all the factory takeoff parts you can store. Several generations of bikers have done that and it helps pay for your habit. Future classics are popular, common and get beaten to death often.

The vintage motorcycle community doesn't hate properly done cafe conversions. It supports them.

>>17589178
>650
Why even bother? Thing probably doesn't even have enough power to get on the freeway.

>>17589178
LEATHER
STUDS
WATCH OUT BOYS MANLY MAN COMING THROUGH

>>17588867
Good for you! The difference between then and now is while wrenching remains huge fun it's not required to be a motorcyclist. You don't have to carry a large tool kit or swap inner tubes at the roadside.

Wrenching today is better than ever, tools and aftermarket support today are better than ever, and all that because the filter of needing to be a mechanic sold enough motorcycles to saturate the market.

What changed is the necessity to be a mechanic. What changed is your local dealer no longer having you by the balls. The parts pipeline was not direct to consumer, it was wholesaler to local shop retailer. If your local Harley or Triumph or Jap dealer was a dick, you had nowhere else to go. If he didn't feel like finishing your motor because his race engine took priority, you were fucked.

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>>17589178
Not a fan of batwing fairings myself. So i doubt ill ever want a chieftain. I'm wanting a fix fairing or standard from them. That would make my weewee stiff

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>>17589209
Add about 1000cc to that bud
>>17589215
Shhhhhhh

>>17589215
a real mans man

>>17589049
Find owners groups and forums. They are life for any Eurobike. It's only a machine so you'll be fine after learning it. A good strategy is have a stash of consumables you know you will use. Get all the factory service literature and parts catalogs you can.

>>17589209
>650
Nigga wat?!??!?!

>>17589230
>>17589245
It's a vstar 650.

>>17589256
Are you high? It's a Road Star. Has a 1600 in it senpai.

>>17589256
Either troll or legit retarted. Kek

>tfw no dr650

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>>17589056
As far as street bikes go only the Supersports (600s) rev to 15000 but I'm dead set on the full on WSBK bikes going to those engine speeds (Aprilia in the early 2010s for sure). Could be wrong though.

The 1199R and ZX10R are fairly matched on speed traps IF WSBK is anything to go by.

As for the road bikes, I don't know, anon, track tests always show the Ducati hanging with the big boys consistently but I genuinelly don't have any acceleration figures in mind/any idea how they perform on the road. What I do remember from the Panigale is that reviews tend to praise it for being easy to ride at the limit, having lots of power down low (although the 1299 does cheat, kek) and good ergos for street use.

I do disagree with some of your points indeed.
Comparing engine capacity but brushing over the number of cylinders is not reasonable in my opinion.

If I recall correctly back in the early days the twins had a 1000cc capacity and the 4s 750cc so it's not like the Japs didn't know what they were getting themselves into. :^)

Well, I suppose that the upcoming V4 will setle this conversation of ours one way or the other.

(Pic related, Honda's orange)

>>17589291
I hope it's a troll, I can't believe somebody could be that dumb

>>17589299
I mean this is 4chan. So no reason to have much faith

>>17589216
>Good for you! The difference between then and now is while wrenching remains huge fun it's not required to be a motorcyclist. You don't have to carry a large tool kit or swap inner tubes at the roadside.

It was a requirement for some then as it is now. The difference is the march of progress and the population density. But that does not in itself negate riders needing to be able to wrench on their own bikes if they want to ride. I am evidence of that. Just sayin, but yes I do think I get what you are saying in general.

>>17588152
The Ducati V4s weren't stolen from anyone, in fact they are the only ones running a 90 degree V4 in MotoGP, everyone else is using 60 degree. I assume the new superbike will retain the "L4"

first bike fag here

how the *fuck* do i avoid making the god damn bike stall every 10 seconds

exaggeration but i cant quite put my finger on what im doing wrong

>>17589339
You suck at releasing the clutch slowly

>>17589339
>how the *fuck* do i avoid making the god damn bike stall every 10 seconds
have you still not figured out where your friction zone™ is?

>>17589339
Roll more throttle when releasing the clutch, the power doesnt get to the wheel unless you let it.

>>17589344
>>17589348
>>17589349
i think im over or under throttling while failing to release the clutch slowly

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>>17589339
Lrn2clutchcontrol

>>17589339
Spend some time getting the bike moving without giving it any gas, just release the clutch slowly enough that the idle starts moving the bike, once you've gotten good at this add some gas, then while you're giving it a little gas release the clutch faster. Keep giving it more gas as you release the clutch faster, you'll get there eventually.

>>17589355
then you just need to git gud, nothing else to do

>>17589362
>>17589364
>>17589368

aight, i plan on practicing alot more til im comfy before i actually take to the roads, god forbid i stall in the middle of a busy street

>>17589355
You don't need throttle at all.

Practice without throttle.

>>17587738
yes, i just got home. pics and dank webms will be cranked out over the next week or so

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>>17589295
Oh yes the inline 599's rev to the moon no doubt I was thinking of the bigger bore 998/999 bikes. And again you bring up some good points but I would just ask why the big four did not decide to put such R&D into their twins and instead went to the 4 cylinder configuration to begin with? I think it was because they ultimately knew that the better configuration for a racing application was going to be the smaller bore/stroke/more cylinders setup.

Having said that I am anxious to see a 1000cc Duc V-4 (or even better an inline but I won't hold my breath lol) But then of course even if it is titties what is it going to cost? If it costs twice as much or even considerably more I am going to be right back to the Jap is better theory. I feel like a dog chasing my own tail with this shit

cheers anon we shall see

>>17589381
is the death toll lower than SEM's?

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Guys I think I fucked up. I bought a Vulcan 2000 as my first bike because I was told displacement really doesn't matter on cruisers but this thing is really heavy and I have no confidence turning it. I go really wide through turns a lot and I'm afraid to lean over any more. I'm actually kind of scared to ride it. Am I just being a pussy or did I really fuck up?

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>>17589315
I'm sayin'

>>17589407
Being a pussy. I drag exhaust on my cruiser. It's not hard

>>17589407
>v2k
>first bike

You bought a water buffalo for a first bike? There is a difference between displacement arguments and overall weight arguments. congrats anon you did gud What other bikes have you at least ridden? Just remember that it isn't too heavy at speed and when not leaning. I might refrain from too much low speed lean angle for a while learn to BALANCE that big pig

>>17589355
You won't kill it giving it too much throttle.

The power wont go to the wheel until you send it there with the clutch, practice with your clutch and feel the bike pull you.

Where does the "Ducatis cost twice as much as Jap bikes" meme come from? A base model 1299 is $19,300, a base R1 is $16,700. That's only $2,600 and for that you get more premium parts (Marzocchi shocks, Brembo brakes) as well as arguably a better bike. Yes it's more expensive but this isn't like a $300k Ferrari having the same performance as a $100k GT-R, they're priced pretty competitively.

>>17589445
Literally my first bike ever.

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>>17589315
I'm pretty sure Honda's RCV is a 90º v4 as well.

>inb4 'hurr durr it's the road version'.

It's the road version of a cheaper model of the factory prototype.

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>>17587760
mine is fucking solid, it doesn't move at all, and it stayed on during my crash

im pretty sure cyclists are gonna kill me
>cars see cyclist
>no hesitation, cross double yellow to pass in blind corner
>mfw powering through 1 ft away from the yellow

>>17589458
maybe for their maintenance and repairs? Aftermarket everything should be bit cheaper for jap scrap too from the sheer amount of their bikes that get sold

Anyone else ride dirt in S. Arizona? It's monsoon season so the dust is down and there's mud to ride in.

>>17586070


surely the police just get his license plate and send him a ticket/put out a warrant?

or does he remove any identification

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>>17589389
It may something to do with pedigree.

Ducati has been making twins since what? The 70s? It's their thing. It's what they know.

Honda and the other Japs found their mojo with 4 cylinder engines. Race bikes notwithstanding I would think of the CB750 Four and it's UJM 'alternatives' as the moment where the Japs established themselves for good

what issues can up shifting too early cause

i can tell my bike doesn't really like it just based on the noise it makes

>>17589514
too early in terms of revs and bogging down or before fully disengaging the clutch?

>>17589460
Dude that bike is like 800lbs for a first bike. Why? I mean shit if you already bought it you better get good with it. Practice balancing the bike and learn that the bike at low speeds is going to be the most likely to tip over. Once you start moving the gyroscopic effect from the wheels will help keep the bike upright. You need to go find an empty lot to get used to riding it. Get used to turning the bike and maintaining that weight. How big/tall are you? If you deliberately tip the bike while stopped are you strong enough to stop it from going over? lol 800lb for first bike bruh quit bullshitting me

>>17589523
before fully disengaging clutch

>>17589514
You can burn up your clutch and overload the motor

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>>17589463
Huh, looks like it is, and so is the RC16 and RS GP. I know I saw somewhere that the Desmo engine is unique but I can't remember the reason now.

>>17589534
thanks bud

>>17588268
Other things I've seen
>Reinforced shifter pad
>Reflective piping in back
>Fasteners designed to be usable with gloves (zippers, velcro, ratchets)
>Metal bar in sole for rigidity
>Ankle protector armor on both sides

>>17589524
Basically my room mate convinced me that if I got a small bike I would hate it in a week. The 2000 came up for sale for a good price within walking distance of my apartment. I'm 5'10" and 280lbs. Carrying around this weight for so many years I have very strong legs, holding it up at lights and stuff isn't a problem and the only struggle I have had is I almost dropped it in a parking lot when somebody pulled out in front of me. I'm just worried about taking my license test on it. There's a practice course near me and I can't do hardly any of it. Maybe I'm just not cut out to ride desu.

>>17589510
bretty sure he covers it or something...as far as I know he never got popped for it

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I PASSED

WOOHOO

>tfw only $1200 on hand and nothing good on clist

>>17589407
It really doesn't but Jesus christ 2000 is a fucking car engine did you do ANY research?

>>17589603
Not really

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>>17589549
>The Desmo engine is unique.

>Desmo.

Maybe the Desmodronic valves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocfIYUc5bpU

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>>17589513
Yes. They have made differing types as have the jap boys but yes they have dedicated much more time to the twins. So yes they chose the twin. I still think the jap bikes have been more diverse but yes for this application they have long ago decided on a four cylinder. hhnnnnggg dat cb is purty

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only got one good rip onto the highway and then stuck in traffic for the rest of the time

>>17589375

Depends on the bike. I'm sure he has a full size bike, but if he has something like the grom, he might have to give it some throttle. Even with a big more kit, my Grom can't get rolling under it's own power unless I let the clutch out with absolute extreme precision.

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>>17589616
I'll post the set.

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>>17589569
You can do it for sure. You need to focus on being smooth with throttle/brake inputs and be aware of your lean angle. For example jamming the brakes while leaning is going to fuck your day up potentially a lot quicker than jamming the brakes when the bike is upright. I would concentrate on being smooth smooth smooth and being very aware of your lean angle. It would be best to get used to low speed maneuvering with that fatty. You can do it. I saw a little lady maybe 100 pounds with a Harley full dresser using proper technique throwing that thing around at slow speed (my old MSF instructor...playing with her personal bike between classes). But I bet she didn't start on that big pig. Get intimate with the rear brake usage for slow speed maneuver. Any time the gyroscopic effect from the wheels subsides (low speed) you need to be on your game. I WOULD NOT TAKE THE MSF ON THAT BIG BITCH. Borrow another bike. If that is absolutely not an option you betta get gud.

I need a pic of this bike as proof. I wanna see a date and call me a turd. Attached is about the biggest I have ridden.

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>>17589640
>>17589649
>>17589654
>>17589661
>>17589668


beauties brohamalamadingdong

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>>17589671
Msf class should give you a binge to do it on

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>>17589686
>>17589683
Yessir.

>>17589688
I just don't know if he is actually taking the class or just taking a test? I know when I took the class I already knew how to ride but they had little crappy bikes that were easy to throw around no problem. I wanna say that big-tired yammi something or other and some old hondas 125/250's or something. The MSF at the Hardley dealer used to use 500cc blasts iirc

Any ideas on how many people are coming to SEM? I'm thinking of making some souvenirs.

today not one but TWO little girls smiled and said hello to me while i was out riding

>>17589671
>I WOULD NOT TAKE THE MSF ON THAT BIG BITCH
Seconding this. I used some little yammie 250 cruiser provided by the MSF, had never ridden a motorized vehicle before (plenty of cycling) and got top score of my group. Later bought an sv650s and went back one night to the same lot the MSF had been in; wanted to try it on the new bike. Sheeeit, I could barely do a u-turn in the wide box when for the course I did a figure 8 in the narrow box (about two feet difference). I know it's possible to do all of it on pretty much any bike (my instructor showed us some shit on his 800lb monstrosity too - I'm seeing a pattern in these instructors lol) but it's certainly harder on some bikes than others.

You should be fine though if you use their bikes to do the course on. The skills you learn will transfer (both ways).

>>17589722

I took the MSF course on my Grom and it was hilariously easy. The instructors were laughing damn near the entire time.

>>17589713
>souvenirs
yuros prepare angus

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>>17589797
marquez was clearly trying to turn in early on the outside while rossi was trying to turn in late on the inside
they are both equally at fault and simultaneously not at fault.

>>17589839
They shouldn't ride so fast, it's dangerous.

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>>17589458
You do know that the 1299R Pani Final is 40k right? And the Kawasaki ZX-10RR is 19k? So yeah...I could buy the 10RR and have 21k leftover for hookers and blow. Dats alotta hookers and blow mang