supercharger or turbocharger?

Centrifugal supercharger.

N/A for life

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NITROUS

>>17219998
Depends on the target application and environment. Supers rule for low end torque off the line, turbos are better for most other applications. But no turbo can ever touch the level of testosterone enrichment that comes from a glorious chrome monument to the gas gods sticking out of your hood.

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>he doesnt have afterburners on his engine

>>17220001
This for most useful.
Turbo has top end power and usual more.
Supercharger has instant power and sound.
Centrifugal has ease of installation and instant power.

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>>17220031
Having to rely on a bottle, rather than having boost there all the time.

>>17220040
You mean secondary air injection? Do you drive a pinto or something?

>>17219998
How many times do we have to this same thread

>not the superior megacharger
plebs

>>17220069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnILepwh2S0

>>17219998
Both

>>17219998
why not both

>>17220200
>>17220144
t. volvo
having both makes the engine ridiculously complicated

i've only ever driven turbo so i can't rightly choose

>>17219998
Supercharger for dragracing.
Turbocharger for top speed.

>>17220083
what car will boost my testosterone enough that I can look like that guy?

>>17220257
No car, you just need to have your daily oatmeal and egg whites shakes. That's the Piana secret passed down through generations

>>17220083
>his car can't run full power all day

lmao cucked

Both. Master Race

Volvo

>>17219998
A turbocharger is a supercharger powered by exaust gas, wich is more efficient than powering it from the crank.
The turbocharger will therefore make more power at the same boost than the supercharger, especialy when running higher boost.
The issue of turbo lag is pretty much exterminated on modern turbochargers, therefore superchargers don´t have banefits over turbochargers,

>>17220205
I was thinking more of the Lancia Delta S4

>>17220257
first you'll need to get a registered Power Hat™, put it into Power Mode, drink some Zippy Water and lift. Oh and DO NOT J__K OFF OR YOU WILL BE IN DANGER

>>17220301

>le turbo lag doesn't exist anymore meme

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>>17219998
>FREE POWER
versus
>leeching off your crank killing your mileage

>>17220334
It is reduced to a amount where the turbocharger spools up faster than the engine under load.

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>>17220340
>spending power to make more power
v.
>backflow issues

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>>17220352
>use all your power and get BONUS FREE POWER on top of it
versus
>a fucking hole in the hood to have some ugly ass metal block sticking out

>>17219998
Supercharger since it's linear and more predictable.

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>>17220397
>being such a dumb fuck he needs to cut a hole in his bonnet
>wanting backflow issues

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>>17220426
>wanting to kill all resemblance of mileage
>not wanting superior and FREE power

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why not both?

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>>17220456
>wanting an overly complicated mess of tubes resulting in poor aitflow and backflow issues
>not wanting bolt on power

N/a

350ci reporting in

>>17220650
>land anchor replaced by 1.4L turbo 4

The Fuck are burgers so obsessed with being walking jokes

>>17220257
SYNTHOL PMMA 5% WOOOO SIPBOIS

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Are there any other factory twin charged cars? Would be cool to see in a sporty car

>>17219998
turbro

The Volvo S60 is twin charged

>>17220073
You got a name or source? I need for research purposes

>>17221078
you got shit taste senpai

>>17221061
Cadillac ATS-V has a twin turbo V6

*XC90

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>>17219998
Neither :)

>>17221082
twin charged means a turbo and a supercharger

Overall, I'd prefer superchargers. They have a lot better response and sound better. Plus, they aren't as hard to install or maintain as turbos. And don't forget the fact that turbos make the engine quieter.

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>>17220073
i need a source for this immediately

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/08/2015-volvo-xc90-twin-charged-phev-official/

>>17221148
>400hp out of a 2000cc 4 cylinder
sounds like the makings of a grenade

>>17220301
>The issue of turbo lag is pretty much exterminated on modern turbochargers
explain

especially considering the fact that its front wheel drive

Enough with all the theoretical bullshit. In real world applications superchargers are flat out better.

>10 times easier to install
>more reliable
>more usable power

Turbos
>require drilling and oil lines to be routed
>often require coolant lines to be routed
>require exhaust system to be fabricated and installed
>are under high heat and stress their entire life cycle
>require accessories such as turbo actuators, blow off valves, and waste gates

In comparison a supercharger is literally bolting a self contained system on top of your intake and putting the serpentine belt on.

Efficiency isn't nearly as important as you would think because your rotating assembly is the ultimate limiting factor in maximum power production.

Can you turbocharge or supercharge any car? Like could I turbocharge or supercharge my Camry 2.5L XV50 model? Do cars need something from the factory to be able to turbocharge them or can you just do it?

>The issue of turbo lag is pretty much exterminated on modern turbochargers

this explains some of the ways new cars use turbos wthout lag https://www.carthrottle.com/post/how-can-you-reduce-turbo-lag/

>>17221196
just google "turbo 2AR-FE"
I'm pretty sure there was a factory supercharger for the first gen Tc which used that engine. Would cost more than aftermarket because TRD but I'm sure would be a simple install

>>17221196
with enough fabrication skills you can turbo anything. as far as I know a supercharger has to be made for a specific engine

>>17220423

It also creates far less heat under the hood than a turbocharger.

Supercharger because a turbo sounds like a fag trying to run the mile.

>Supercharger
>Literally less power than turbo

You are a cuck if you pick "drivability" over more fucking power.

>>17220003
Google +'d

>>17221675
waiting for power is the epitome of cuckoldry, lag cuck.

>>17220675
Aussie actually.

Plan on going turbo and making 500rwhp+ on 8psi

>>17221729
>implying aussiemuscle

>>17220257
the biggest car you can find with non assisted everything and put the biggest tires you can in the front

>>17221724
launch control and downshifting must not be a thing anymore

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>>17220637
Have another image for the next time you get into a discussion like this.

Why do some cars with smaller turbo engines get worse EPA gas mileage ratings compared to their larger non-turbo engine counterparts?

For example, Subaru Forester 2.0 XT vs 2.5i. The 2L turbo requires premium fuel and has worse mileage than the 2.5L non-turbo. I thought having a turbo was supposed to improve both fuel economy and power.

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>>17221759
>implying I need your help
I felt that image was more fitting than a gold face

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>>17221800
Nothing is more fitting than a golden face in a discussion of golden faces.
And what the fuck is that Yoba doing there?

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>>17221177
twin scroll turbochargers
>More energy is sent to the exhaust turbine, meaning more power.
>A wider RPM range of effective boost is possible based on the different scroll designs.
>More valve overlap is possible without hampering exhaust scavenging, meaning more tuning flexibility.

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>>17221813
dunno. lemme move it to the proper folder. I only organized my memes about a month ago

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>>17221821
You did good.

>>17221061
goddamn that thing is beautiful

>>17219998
Turbo is the best option to get power and efficiency
but if you are talking about modifying an engine go for a supercharger, and a small one. Depends on the engine ofc but on most stock NA engines, adding boost will blow it up.

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>>17221724
LOOOOOOOOL

>>17221061
in europe VW offers a 1.4 TSI which is supercharged and turbocharged, quite cheap actually
but I've heard that they werent very reliable, at least the early ones.

>poorfags itt without a pedal-powered generator in their car

go home

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>>17221078
honestly you need to dig further into your basement wall so your wifi cuts out and we dont ever have to see you post again

>>17222024
>little berry
Wow she's gotten fat

>>17221217
the tC supercharger was pretty faulty and shit, which is why they discontinued them relatively quickly after release.

Shame, too. If Toyota bothered to release a Scion tC spec with a supercharger or turbo to rival the GTI and Si, it might have been worth a damn

Street engine: supercharger
Track machine: turbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRX3Uzppv4

>>17221750
>need electronic assistance to get the job done
might as well just give her a vibrator while your prepping the bull, turbocuck

I, for one, can't wait for this ridiculous Supercharged hot hatch http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/yaris/18599/toyota-yaris-grmn-supercharged-hot-hatch-to-rival-fiesta-st

I just like the supercharger whine

>>17222123
>not using vibrators on your girl
I bet she's real satisfied...

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>>17222136
>turbocuck needing a vibrators help

kek
explains why turbocucks measure things in mm

>>17222227
*crickets*
you think you'd have gotten better at shitposting by now...

>his engine is literally powered by car farts

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>white people this obsessed with black cock
lol

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>>17222104
>street engine
most people daily drive further than six (6) miles

>>17220083
No Johns

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>>17222104

on the only tack that matters: supercharger

>>17222351
>top fuel
>>>/lgbt/

turbo for track
supercharger for street
n/a for plebs

>Supercharger on the street
Why? You are always in boost. With a turbo it consumes no additional fuel while idling in traffic, it consumes no additional fuel while putting around at low rpm, it isn't constantly straining the engine

>bbbut what If I want to floor it from the lights
Launch control exists

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>>17219998

>>17220340
Turbos arent free power

>>17222508
thats the dream

>twin charged aw11
hnng

>>17220051
centrifugal superchargers have all the lag of a turbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHg2uqJvLOk

name a turbo that can do a quarter mile in under 4 seconds

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>>17219998
https://youtu.be/PVs_xZ46Cxw?t=5m42s

There are silly people that won't understand it, but then you look at it and you say "oh, that's why, that's why they did this".

>>17223174
Lag or boost.

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>>17223174
I love the baby blower! It's like the peodbear of supercharging.

>>17222554
>twin charged aw11
for all the hassle, weight, heat soak and extra bullshit squeezed into a small, hard to get at engine bay its better to just run a turbo

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MGU-H

>>17223305
This, but its not split far enough

>>17223174
naw that is boost curve
easy fixed with a two layer system

>>17222499
>launch control
>not power braking

>>17219998
Supercharger + Turbocharger system like what VW does. No lag, full boost.

>>17219998
Power Recovery Turbine

>>17220257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8P5vGcf-NU

turbo is better in every single way

>>17222351
>Australia's favourite carrots
>That hardcore carrot
>FUCH

I don't know why i laughed

>>17221785
turbos ram more air in to the engine, meaning more fuel can and will be burnt to deliver the power the spec sheet promises. power isn't free. compare the actual amount of air in the turbo engine at max boost to the air in the larger n/a engine.
Most MPG ratings are done at low revs, where the turbo hasn't really started building pressure, so the car burns fuel like n/a. Once you get up high, the engine burns through the same amount of air and fuel that the larger displacement n/a engine would burn. thats the rough explanation.
there is also the higher exhaust pressure, which the turbo cannot completely recover and use to repressure intake air and a lot of valve timing issues which all play together to make the turbo a quite different animal to n/a engines or superchargers for that matter.

>>17222517
Not exactly free, but with a huge discount...

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>>17220301
>same boost than the supercharger, especialy when running higher boost.

My gf tolerates sex with me especially when she has sex with someone else.

>>17219998
turbo makes cooler sound.

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>>17221069
>go to track
>see volvo trying to merge onto track
>kek
>get onto the straight
>watch volvo in rear view mirror
>volvo engages hyperspeed and warps space and time between the corner exit its in and the next corner entrance
>mfw

>>17222210
>explains why turbocucks measure things in mm
Lost it

>>17224361
>The turbocharger will therefore make more power at the same boost than the supercharger, especialy when running higher boost.
The difference in power between turbo-and supercharger increases when both run a higher boost.
That is due to the dropping efficiency of a roots blower at a high pressure difference.

>>17221084
Drag your socks across the carpet before getting in car or radio shack solar panel?

>>17221099
And superchargers seem more vulgar.
Vulgarity being the opposite of divinity, can the divine make it to Valhalla?

>>17222351
>drag
>racing
If I wanted to know how fast I could make a 1/4 mile, I'd run a computer simulation. It'd be cheaper and just as (un)interesting.

twin turbo all the time baby

Why not both?
Twincharger

what is the best kind of supercharger?

>>17225968
Centrifugal superchargers are the most efficient ones.

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>>17221882

The only, ONLY, good turbo setup was the way mazda did the FD with a small turbo for lower RPMs and a bigger turbo for max speed.

Otherwise in the real world a supercharger is always more effective because of the fact that you're not always fucking flooring it .
Also supercharges don't fucking put such a huge strain on the rest of the drive train.

>>17219998
turbo in almost every situation. fuck dat parasitic loss nigga

>>17221724
>turbo lag
1980 wants his memes back

>>17226277
The higher the boost the more lag you get.
Also enjoy your sudden weight transfer

>>17226011
more like centrifrugal amirite

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>>17219998
>2017
>not building your hot rod around a rocket engine.
plebs.

>>17226337
>What is sequential turbos
>What is variable geometry
>What is anti-lag systems

>>17226337
Not true. Two or more smaller turbos have same power, but less lag.

>>17226374
I would consider less lag to be more power, also the car is overall much more stable and will be able to brake less before corners, as well as accelerate more out of a corner while having mostly the same stability of an NA
>>17226372
all memes
>>17226372
memes
I'll smoke your shit with a fucking supercharged r18 civic with modded suspension.
slapping 1 big turbo on your engine is absolutely fucking retarded and one of the worst things "car people" do.

>>17226393
>r18 civic
2 litres of pepsi are better than 1.8 honda

>>17226371
>2016
>not suckin dick

>>17226397
http://jacksonracing.com/jackson-racing-civic-r18-supercharger-system-released/
>38% more torks on fucking stock exhaust
Especially if its the coupe with the stiffer suspension

>>17226372
>geometry
Turbos are round dumbass

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>>17226429

>>17226421
0 * 1,38 = 0

>>17226448
cute

>>17226492
You dumb motherfucker
you missed the word "sudden" before weight transfer.
Your bus has a turbo though, enjoy that

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>>17220301
A turbo is also putting a big fat restriction in the exhaust manifold

>>17224357
i'll agree to that

>>17219998
Neither: no replacement for displacement.

>>17221082
That's not what that is

>>17221161
This is what I've always thought. How the fuck is that engine supposed to survive more than like 150,000 miles? Is this more planned obsolescence bullshit?

>>17221800
only on /o/

Why not twincharge with a rear-mounted turbo?

>>17219998
turbocharged and supercharged electric motor

>>17227909
you're implying I don't use these images on other boards

>>17220340
Kek'd loudly at work because of this argument.