ITT: Cars faster than a 86

>>17173972
Tfw my 86 is faster than OP's nonexistent car, feelsgoodnigga

>automatic
>100bhp difference
>drag racing being the be all and end all of performance tests

Disregarded.

>inb4 86 owner

>>17175669
>t. 86 owner

>>17175669
You realize the last post was 5 hours ago, what possessed you to sperg out and bump it? Learn2sage

>>17175679
You forgot this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PlSA2DnTL8

>>17173972
>>17175679
>>17175727

Tell me gents, what is always the answer?

>>17175738
Miata with complimentary anal beads

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>>17175669
>>100bhp difference
IT'S A FUCKING MINIVAN, A FUCKING PIG FAT MINIVAN

Pic related, it's apparently slower than a piece of shit Hoon-dai around a track.

>>17173972
>ITT: Cars faster than a 86
anything

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>>17175830

>>17175840
Doesn't change that it's a slow car lol

>>17175850
all the better for you to spin out in

>>17175854
I bet it's slower than a volvo

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>>17175863
tfw a middle age Swedish woman behind you goes to over take and you try to accelerate in your GT86 but she gaps you and gets in front

>>17175830
>as an 86 owner
i raced my friends fiesta st and I barley beat him, but my cars way funner and cooler than all the cars on the road heh

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>>17173972
BRUH those weak slides at the end

>>17175830
Especially if you don't drive it

Whats up with this meme 9 speed transmission the minivan has?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZbGdkyrAis

DELETE THIS

>drag racing
babbies first racing

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>>17177987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PlSA2DnTL8

Dodge d150 5.9 360

>>17178526
also 6200 lb

>>17175931
This.
Cross shopped a GTI and WRX, while both faster, neither was anywhere near as fun as the 86 so it was an easy choice.

>>17178836
>both are objectively better but this one is more "fun" (a subjective measurement that can't be debated)
Fuck the sour grapes you just downed a bottle of citric acid

>>17177998
Persona 5 is the best Persona to date. There is a cat car in the game, so let's talk about Persona ITT. It'll be more productive for everyone.

>>17178844
No, fun is not measurable, but it is a way you can judge a car and as far as fun is concerned, the 86 is absolutely brilliant.
It's not sour grapes at all, if I could go back I would make the exact same choice

>>17178851
>if I could go back I would make the exact same choice
insane bias going on here

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Mustang V6

>>17178860
Obviously a bus riding bench racer.
Once you've actually driven a car come back and you won't say an X6M is a better car than an Elise

>>17175863
>>17175850
so that means you love it?
>>17178844
so you agree GT86 is the best car for fun

>>17178869
I have 7 cars, is that enough?
Not counting the dozens of other cars I've driven, ferarris, porsche, mustangs, camaros, challenger, etc etc

>>17178875
Sure you have buddy.

>>17178875
>mcummy posts yet another "look at all the experience I had I am so much better than you look at me look at me I am not just a benchracer look at me"
kek

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>>17178880
?
I have tho
Here's the SS camaro

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>>17178882
It would be great if they could ban all 16 year olds.

>>17178884
Cool. Here's my F40

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>>17178884
Here's the challenger

>>17178884
Great shot. Got any more? Maybe one of the valve stems? Or the window controls?

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>>17178895
Not as cool as my Wisemann

>>17178901
It's not mine, I just roasted the tires off it with a solid 1 minute burnout and then returned it.

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>>17178908
What's so hard to believe about it?
I drove it up to lunar crater to have some fun out in the desert.

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>>17178908
Get on my level, fag.

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>>17178895

>>17178921
Y'know Mel was 23 in this fucking picture? 23? Jeez. Looks just like my father at that age.

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>>17178895
same hats

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>>17178915
>>17178930
>>17178934

Comparing a Challenger to a sports car

>>17178989
?
I'm just posting it because I listed the cars I've driven and you didn't believe me.
I don't really give a fuck about the car, it was fun but meh it's too fat.

>>17178992
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Posts a car that's only sold in the US because no one else would buy them, yet bad mouths a car that's lauded the world over...

>>17178996
It's slow as fuck, they went with a cuck na flat 4 when they should have done a turbo I4, they cannot be forgiven for this, it would have been an amazing car.

>>17179002
>I benchrace cars I've never driven
You spun off a cliff in a 4hp volvo doing 5mph.
I don't think your opinion matters anywhere other than furaffinity

>>17179002
Fast=/=fun
You obviously have never driven one, there's a reason everyone who's driven one keeps raving about them and the only people who complain have never actually driven one

>>17179012
actually I raced a brz away from a stop sign in my i4 accord and they were pretty much neck and neck the whole way, that's some sad shit right there lol

>>17179013
he said himself "driving slow car fast is more fun than fast car fast" in other thread in response to "why you talk like you know shit when you own a rusted to shit 5hp volvo"

>>17179018
>driving slow car fast is more fun than fast car fast
never said that >>17178099
stay slow, stay btfo'd

>>17179017
>look at me I am le ebin touge master and I know all about every car there is because I fuck dogs
>gt86 is shit because I lost to it in a drag race
pathedic desu

>>17179031
>drag race a stock accord 4 door family car
>is even with it
Now that's fucking sad, to think they could have put a turbo i4 and had a true god machine, toyota is so stupid

>>17179028
all of /o/ is faster than you in your 80hp cuckbox.
And we don't spin out at 5mph either.
Learn to drive and buy a book so you can maybe learn a thing or two about cars.

>>17179034
>toyota built a subaru engine
absolutely retarded.
How do you not neck yourself every day

>>17179035
lol so fucking mad, yet your anger does nothing to change the fact toyota put out a cucked car
>>17179042
read above

>>17175671
underrated commemt

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>>17179034
Yes, a billion dollar company is stupid and some dude on a Mongolian wall scroll image board is smarter than all of them

>>17173972
>that lean

Does this piece of shit not have a sway bar or something?

>>17179049
apparently yes, and I'm not the only one that thinks this, it's actually a VERY common complaint.
That is if you're not blinded by bias and suffering from stockholm syndrome

>>17175840
It never ceases to amaze me that he looks just like you'd imagine him to.

>>17179056
refer to >>17179044

>>17179053
It's a common complaint amongst people that have never driven it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPuyhvSxBD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaqyGg7Bhvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTDtUG-rVfA

etc

>>17179064
refer to
>>17175840

>>17179067
>look at these videos, they prove 150whp is plenty
ok kid lol
Even 200whp would have been enough to make it good, but they couldn't even do that.
>toyota breaks 100hp/l decades ago
>still stuck exactly where they left off with no improvement
lmfao 2bh

>>17179013
To play furfags advocate here, I test drove an frs series 1 back when i was car shopping, it was alright. The thing did feel sluggish to me

B-but guys its s-suposted to be the AE86 sprinter trueno for the new kids

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>>17178846
Thoughts on Sojiros car?

>>17175669
yeah, going straight as fast as you can is an awful test of speed

[spoiler]retard[/spoiler]

>>17173972
>86 owners think they will track the car and go canyon carving waaay more often than they actually do. 99% of the time the car is on the street failing where it counts...freeway on ramps, freeway passing, light to light. Just keep in' it real.

why does youtube have so much TRUTH

>>17179212
It is. It costs the same adjusted for inflation, and it's faster and modernized. Shame about the engine sound, but I enjoyed everything else about the car compared to my AE86 when I test drove it.

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>>17179603
It's a cute. Is it a Sports 800?

>car literally not built to be fast in a straight line
>hurr it's slow

You guys are so smart

>>17179610
>99% of the time the car is on the street failing where it counts...freeway on ramps, freeway passing, light to light.
And it's plenty fast for all of that. What world do you live in

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>>17173972
the actual car that the GT86 actually tried to fucking be the spirtual successor (if with a silvertop or blacktop 4AGE or if lucky a Forumla Atlantic)

>>17178921
>practically any Australian Domestic Market vehicle can smash a Toyota-Subaru bastard child
accurate

>>17178846
Is it worth buying a new ps4?

>>17179621
>plenty fast
>beat by pacifica

hmm...

>>17179636
Buy a used PS3 for like $50 is you really want to play it.

>>17179674
Because you launch your car at every stop light and merge onto a freeway at 140mph , right?

>>17179729
yea?

>>17173972
A car that makes all of /o/ assmad, can't wait to buy one

>>17179636
If you enjoyed 3 and 4, yes. I sunk nearly 400 hours into P3 and FES, and P5 became my favorite within 20 hours. I bought my PS4 a few months ago, mainly for Last Guardian which was good shit, and haven't regretted it.

>>17179740
so it'll make you mad too?

>>17179779
Nope, I need something light RWD and new. Triggering you autists is just a bonus

>>17179708
>>17179754
Fuck. After i get louvers, looks like im getting a ps4. Thanks anons

>>17179784
but you're a part of all of /o/
something doesn't add up

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>>17179852
>but you're a part of all of /o/
>something doesn't add up
I'm not autistic

>>17175669
The 86 c-can go faster on corners!!!

>>17179899
Yes, that is what it was made for.

>>17179075
>being this assmad

No one is forcing you to sell your slowvo to buy one so you don't have to worry about crashing it when the road curves 2mm to the left

>>17175863
handles better tho

>>17173972
>0-60 8.5 seconds
A guy in a wheelchair will beat the 86 if you deliberately drive it slow. My best 0-60 time in my stock 86 was 6.09 seconds.

>>17180515
Learn to sage fool, these shitposters don't care what you think

saged

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Why haven't they fixed this!

>>17180567
If they fixed it, the car would accelerate equivalent to the gain in torque

So if they made it up 15% the car should accelerate 15% better through that rpm range

>Oh man a board composed mainly of kids without cars and fat people driving fwd commuter cars don't like my rwd sports car! How will I ever recover XC

Don't you have a corvette vs gtr thread to start?

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>>17179067
>The Perfect Entry-Level Sports Car?
>MX5 is faster and cheap
>Any FWD yuro "hot"hatch cuckmobile is probably faster and cheaper

eternal keks

>>17180567
The car isn't popular enough with people who are too dumb to select the appropriate gear, making the torque curve more American-friendly won't change that.

>>17180599
>Any FWD yuro "hot"hatch cuckmobile is probably faster and cheaper
Sounds like you arent so sure about what you're typing, go do some Google searching kiddo

>>17180616
Sounds like your buyer's remorse is kicking in.

>>17180630
No just having a laugh at angry autistic children like yourself

>>17175669

It can't beat a fat Challenger around a road course. It's trash.

>>17180616
its true, but hey, at least the gt86 is a RWD toyota masterrace

>>17180646
You realize that on specific tracks the superior power will win every time, pretty sure you've never driven a challenger or you'd refrain from making that post

>>17180602
>American friendly

This isn't an American thing. There is no benefit to losing torque the more rpm goes into it. Torque should ideally be a flat line through the entire acceleration.

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>>17180675
For example here's a Honda civic si. Note the shape of the torque line. The jump in torque and power at the end is the vtec

The civic si is relatively flat comparatively

>>17180666

I've daily driven an R/T for five years. I've raced on closed courses against GT86s and beaten them.

They cost about the same, weigh only a few hundred pounds less, and have far less horsepower than my fat land barge and can't outrun it.

That's fucking retarded. I have an obese, pig of a car on stock tires with stock suspension and I can outrun the so called Gawd Masheen.

>>17180726
Dude a challenger rt wright's 4200. The brz weighs 2700 that's not a few hundred pounds that's 1500lbs

>>17180726

I mean, seriously, the Challenger is built to chew up miles on the highway. The turn radius sucks and it body rolls so bad above 30 that it makes hairpin corners nauseating and I can still win a race on track with, at most, two hundred feet of straight aways.

The 86 is absolute garbage.

>>17180735

Jesus, that's even more depressing. I mean, you're looking at a 1500 pound advantage and can't overtake a land yacht.

>>17180741
Maybe because your land barge produces a fuck ton more power and torque thanks to its huge engine with wicked displacement. This comparison is literally apples and oranges. Second of all the challenger is 8k more than the brz so there's more different here than you first made out.

>>17180675
>There is no benefit to losing torque
No shit Sherlock.
>Torque should ideally be a flat line
I don't give a shit, I know how to keep it in the powerband, and so do 99% of the owners. Only benchracers and people who don't know how to drive act like this is an issue.

>>17180778
>I don't give a shit, I know how to keep it in the powerband, and so do 99% of the owners.
When you shift at a red line you literally shift into the ass end of this torque dip

Saying you don't care about it is not an argument what so ever. It's a glaring flaw you have no response to so you just feign ignorance

>>17180786
>When you shift at a red line you literally shift into the ass end of this torque dip
If you skip 3 gears maybe, lmao.
>Saying you don't care about it is not an argument what so ever. It's a glaring flaw you have no response to so you just feign ignorance
I don't think you know what you're talking about to be quite honest.

>>17180761

For one, a Premium package is in the dame price range as a base R/T. For two, 1500 pounds and 175 horsepower of difference SHOULD balance out pretty evenly. For three, this fucking car was billed to be a competitor to the Miata and shit as a track coupe.

For the record, I raced an ND Miata and lost on a road course because it could take corners twice as fast as I could. That means that the 86 has subpar suspension and steering rack to a fucking MASSIVE Challenger on an old Mercedes platform.

It's only apples to oranges in that this is a comparison of American and Japanese sports cars. They fit the same criteria in classification being 2+2 sports coupes. They have different engineering priorities being power and weight, respectively.

You're trying to argue that they are so radically different that they shouldn't be compared, but this is a battle design philosophies in cars with similar costs, concepts, and consumers.

The fact is that the Gt86 is 3k less, 175hp weaker, 1500lbs lighter, and can't outmaneuver a dated, bloated, and anemic competitor.

There is no reason to own one unless you're an autist with an Itashi wrap and a Dakimakura in the passenger seat so you can take the HOV lane to your job at McDonald's.

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ITT idiots thinking a challenger beating 200hp shitbox on cherrypicked tracks is something to be proud of

>>17180822

You a little was pained, bro? Because I know my car is fat and underpowered. Maybe you should own up to your GAWD MASHEEN being slow and poorly designed.

>>17180822
>t. buttblasted 86 owner

>>17180822
lol

>>17180842
How do you know it wasn't babby's first track day? Maybe you could have done much better who knows. Fact of the matter is you're literally grasping at straws trying to rationalize why your challenger handles "better" and no challengers are not underpowered just bigg.
>>17180847
Not upset just trying to understand other anon's frustration

>>17180822
This. I'm actually looking into getting a challenger as my next car but even I know the 86 is going to handle better around curves. There are a lot of tracks where horsepower and traction are more important than chassis and weight dynamics, but that doesn't mean the challenger is an all around better car. If you're going down a toegay the 86 will definitely win. However even my v6 Accord can beat the 86 on tracks with a lower frequency of turns. (Btw Challenger is more comfy for a 6'3 American and I like stoplight pulls)

>>17180905
Never thought shitposting payed so well, congrats you little vegan

>>17180778
>I know that, but I don't care
This is fucking stupid. If they actually gave a shit and fixed it you would get 15% better torque which means 15% better acceleration and since work times torque is power you'd get at least 10% better power out of this thing after the differential loss. You don't daily drive at your red line every day and your power band is extremely narrow

>>17180862
>Not upset
Stop lying hun. We can see right through you

>>17180862

Holy shit, you're deluded if you think 375hp out of a 5.7L engine isn't underpowered - especially when moving 4500lbs.

But anecdotes or not, I am not a skilled track driver. I'm bad at following lines and I have an awful tendency of braking into a corner too early. I spoke to people at the track since I have some modest social skills, too. The guy with the 86 was a coworker who convinced me to come out after i raped him in a wuarter mile and he wanted to prove his car wasn't complete shit.

They don't fucking handle well. I've driven them. They have shit feedback and their turn radius feels somehow worse than my fat Dodge.

Which is why
>>17180905
Is fucking wrong. The Challenger is better in the corners, apparently. It can't outmaneuver a fucking Camaro, but it can beat the 86 pretty consistently even when straights aren't long enough to make up for lost time.

>>17180954
>they don't handle well
>my challenger handles better
Thanks for the chuckle

>>17180962

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks the 86 is a joke.

Jesus Christ, it's amazing to think that a car can be more unreasonable than a Challenger.

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lmao all these dumb benchracers in this thread

would far rather have a fun RWD car that I can throw around at 30mph than a fucking boat. I don't give a shit if it goes round a track fast or if it goes fast in a straight line. It's just fun to drive.

I don't even own this, I own the AE86 which is nicer to drive but all 80s-90s cars are.

>>17180947
Yep, that confirms it, you're completely clueless. You're just a benchracer who bases his opinions on charts and numbers. Let me guess, you've never driven the car you're talking about?

>>17180981
>He's still going
You had some credibility before but you threw it all out the window when you say your challenger handles better than an 86.

>>17180918
>Vegan
You can call me a virgin all you want but don't insult me like that. Also
>Not shit posting from work 24/7

>>17173972
WAIT WAIT WAIT. You're telling me a 2.0 liter NA engine makes less power than a 3.6 liter? Dude... this is breaking fucking news. Seriously, call Fox, Jeremy Clarkson, CNN, Motor Trend, etc. Dude. It's fucking amazing. You might actually be the smartest person on the planet.

Also enjoy your ban, everyone who posts an FRZ thread gets banned now because we're tired of your autism.

>>17181002
>Everyone who posts about ft86 gets banned by mods
>/o/
>mods
Newfag discovered

>>17180999
>>17181017
Honest question, why are you still a virgin? Is your hygiene really bad or something?

>>17180995
No it's 100% correct
Take a fucking physics class you dumb faggot. The maximum acceleration is equal to the amount of torque you put down on the wheels

If you had that extra absent torque you keep defending you wouldn't have to worry about staying in your lower band when you can stay at max torque no matter what rpm giving you way more tolerance to play with. You are a fucking hipster pretending to be an enthusiast while trying to claim that real enthusiasts don't care about their numbers times and other metrics that define the performance they're so interested in. Fuck off you fake ass faggot

>>17180996

>if I deny his credibility, maybe I'll win

Nigger, in my very first post I outlined the immense body roll and speed limitations the Challenger has to deal with in corners. Do you suffer from short term memory loss, or did you actually think I'd forget what I had already argued.

I said the 86 feels like it handles worse - mostly because they're just as wide with skinnier tires and lighter weight. The steering rack feels fucked up in an 86. At least the Challenger just feels numb.

Besides that, I know I can take a hairpin at 30 and most gradual turns at around 40 to 50 depending on their steepness. That's shit compared to most cars, but it was good enough to almost let me lap my coworker in a 1.5 mile track after five laps.

Why don't you try making an actual argument instead of excuses?

Not to interrupt this "heated" discussion here but I think my 02 Eldorado is faster than the 86. Around the corners I have no clue.

>>17181033
He's a hipster hell just say you haven't driven it before because apparently you become a magic speed demon in a car that is demonstrably that defies all flaws and shit

He's a fucking hipster

>>17181033
>Why don't you try making an actual argument instead of excuses
>the 86 feels like it handles worse
There is no argument sir

>>17181028
>>17181046
>Herp derp hipster guise
Look how dumb you sound

>>17181028
You keep saying acceleration would be better without the torque valley between 3500 and 4500 RPM. Why would you be in that RPM range while accelerating hard?

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>>17173972
>all these assmad 86 boys

include me in the screencap

>>17181047

>I have never driven a car before and can't form an actual argument
>better just tell him he's wrong and cry to mom until she takes me to get chicken tendies

Give up them, faggot. I made my point.

>>17181068
Why would someone without a car be included to anything /o/ related?
>>17181071
I was a "butt blasted 86 owner" now I'm someone that's never driven a car. Literally grasping at straws m8

>>17181047
>you're wrong because you won't agree with my opinion that the 86 handles better even though other cars are taking turns faster stronger better than my acclaimed master of agility

You're as bad as that one fag who argued the seating position because he was too autistic to adjust it to his preferred position and anyone else who preferred some other positions was a bench rancer

>>17181081
Lol now all cars have same seating position as the 86, was waiting for you to come in and sperg out

>>17181060
Oh man maybe because you stated in 1st there or. Maybe you can have a better band to accelerate in. You would accelerate far better in lower gears because of it. Stop defending torque absence you fucking shill

>>17181085
Holy shit no one said that. You are fucking autistic.

>>17181107
He's implying that a simple seat adjustment is the same...

>>17181085
>my preferred seating position is the true and most correct anyone else who says my opinion is an opinion is a bench racer
LOL you're actually this autist

>>17181110
>seating position is irrelevant on sports cars
A fucking idiot

>>17181086
Again, why would you be in the 3500 to 4500 RPM range while accelerating hard? Give me one good reason that isn't "I can't be bothered to select the appropriate gear" and I'll rest my case.

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Legacy GT + 3.6R

>>17179729
You faggot, there's no justification for your slow coupe getting chopped by Becky dropping her kids at soccer practice. Just come to terms with it.

>>17181109
No one fucking cares sit in your seat how ever you want

>>17181172
What do you drive, I'm curious since it seems to not affect you

>>17175829
>its a race car brah, its about muh handling
>gets BTFO on the track by a shitbox
>its about driving brah, you dont understand
>gets BTFO by everything on the road

>>17181121
More torque in that range gives you a much wider power band. This also means that in that range assuming the torque was fixed you'd get better gas mileage and better efficiency through that band early on because of it. You engine would lug less and you'd accelerate way better

But go ahead, claim you're racing but not a bench racer.

>>17181189
You realize the guy replied to himself to have some ebin shitpost material?

>>17181177
I drive a 2016 wrx and I put the seat in what ever position is comfy you stupid fuck

>>17181195
And honestly if you did fix the torque Canyon you'd get better power and torque for the entire power band alone not just in the 3250-4600

>>17181204
>I drive a 2016 wrx
How's the Rev hang? All bullshit aside they're good balanced cars, you just won't get the same connection to the road as an 86

>>17181195
A wider power band increases convenience, not performance. Gas mileage and efficiency at 4000 RPM? I shift between 2500 and 3000 RPM if I want to be economical. I don't lug my engine AT ALL, I downshift, but I guess that'd be too much inconvenience for the American, am I right? And then there's the "you'd accelerate better" argument that you still haven't explained.

>>17181219
There is no Rev hang and before you say some stupid shit like turbo lag there isn't any either because I get maximum torque at 2k really easy. It's not an ej25 where the turbo will lag until 5k

>>17178908
Weismann.

>>17181225
>A wider power band increases convenience, not performance.
See>>17181208
Fixing the torque Canyon would increase your torque and power along the entire band, not just the dip

Then again you're still defending a 15% drop in torque

>>17181234
Man it's been what? 5 years and Subaru still won't fix that torque problem?

>>17181229
To my understanding 2015+ WRX's seem to have a rev hang, I didn't notice when I test drove but then again I didn't redline the shit out of it. They're alot more efficient with the power than before just little heavier and not as pretty to look at. Wish the steering was tightened up a bit maybe it's jus AWD car problems

>>17181229

Rev hang is EPA mandated, since it decreases emissions by a fraction of a percent. Unless you're running a custom tune that specifically addresses this, it's there. You probably just aren't the type of driver that notices stuff like that. I haven't found a car newer than '05 that I felt had good throttle response, even with tunes. Drive by wire throttle bodies are just not as good as cable throttles.

>>17181023
Combination of things. I'm actually pretty good looking and not too socially awkward. I work full time and go to school full time, so I have very little free time. No QTs at work or at school (non state college so old married women only). I am interested in video games and cars, which no woman seems to care about. I also have high standards considering Im not anything special. I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. I also don't eat like trash. I expect my partner to be the same. I could probably bang this girl at school but she has messed up teeth, a bone disease, and she is kind of dumb, so her genetics would not be good for my kids. Considering the odds of finding a woman like this who is also interested in me are nearly impossible, I have dubbed myself a "Permavirgin".

>>17181287
You super religious or something? You don't have to impregnate you're first fuck. Do you take daily showers and wear plenty of deodorant?

>>17181287
To add, teeth girl has a good figure and nice tits but I'm not the type to lead someone on if I'm not serious.

>>17178846
Moewtary Engine
Mona truck has a RX7 or RX8 engine

>>17177987
wtf? I thought the VT was slow as fuck and even I own one. And it probably weights more as it's the VT with panoramic sunroof.

>>17181298
You're going to die a virgin you picky fuck, you have to drive a few shitboxes before you get the Ferrari

>>17181294
Yes I have normie hygiene, teeth girl has flirted with me before. I'm not religious at all, I'm just not going to spend time and money on a side bitch.

>>17181234
>Fixing the torque Canyon would increase your torque and power along the entire band
Now that's just made up horseshit.

t. actual engineer

>>17181343
No its not. According to many users who have actually went out of their way to fix the issue, replacing the headers and doing an appropriate tune has fixed the torque canyon and gave them a small 5-10hp jump over the stock configuration including in the torque.

>>17181426
if you follow the stock vs custom header dyno. The custom headers gain a pretty good chunk of power all along the end of the power band

remember torque * work = power. Increasing torque increases power

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>>17181439
forgot pic

>>17181426
>>17181439
This is why they can't fix it, EMISSIONS! Stock exhaust is restrictive as fuck

>>17181445
>emissions
clearly this isn't an issue on the WRX which produces more power with its turbo which means more emissions. Emissions clearly aren't the issue here.

The WRX uses the same exact engine, albeit with different headers and intakes and a few other things mixed with a turbo that must obviously burn more gas which produces more exhaust which means more emissions.

>>17181450
It's more than just different headers you fool, and the WRX has problems of its own ie; rev hang.

>>17181426
You've got it ass backwards, you're not "fixing the torque canyon", you're changing the entire torque curve by replacing crucial parts. A manufacturer can't just do that to "simply fix the torque dip", like some people have been asking for. If you want your headers replaced, you'll have to get it done yourself.

>>17181460
>A manufacturer can't just do that to "simply fix the torque dip"
clearly its really simple if some joe shmoe in his garage can easily replace some headers and do a dinky tune he got from some online forum.

>>17181459
if Rev hang is EPA mandated then the brz must also have it

>>17181460
Dude its just headers.
>replacing crucial parts
ITS JUST HEADERS!
>a manufacturer can't do that
subaru can't just put a better header on it? The engineers that engineered the engine couldn't ENGINEER a solution? they couldn't just tune the ECU like they did to begin with?

>>17181479
>clearly its really simple if some joe shmoe in his garage can
Do you really think the same rules and regulations apply to Joe Shmoe?
>>17181484
>subaru can't just put a better header on it?
Do you really think they wouldn't have done it from the start if it was as easy as physically replacing a part? I can't tell you exactly which reason they had to use this particular setup of intake and exhaust system, but it certainly wasn't "let's go out of our way to make this engine worse than it could be for the same money and effort". As with everything these days, it's probably a result of emission regulations and financial constraints. If upgraded headers are permitted in your country, go ahead, but Toyota/Subaru wants to sell this as it is in every industrialized country of the world and not have to engineer a different ideal header for every market.

And besides, no matter what they use, there will always be a different part that would've been "better".

>>17181537
>Do you really think the same rules and regulations apply to Joe Shmoe?
I didn't know there were laws about replacing FUCKIN HEADERS.

>do you really think they wouldn't have done it from the start
they wouldn't have because they're fucking lazy the same way toyota is lazy for putting skinny ass prius tires on the fucking gt86 instead of real wheels. They totally have the ability to but chose NOT to

>>17181537
>financial constraints
>oh god guys we're going bankrupt because we swapped the shitty headers on the FA20 to something better

>>17181547
>I didn't know there were laws about replacing FUCKIN HEADERS.
Did you read the rest of my post? In my country 90% of aftermarket headers are illegal.
>they wouldn't have because they're fucking lazy
Yeah right, that's the reason...
>toyota is lazy for putting skinny ass prius tires on the fucking gt86
That was a deliberate design choice to make it more tailhappy, there's goddamn UHP tires that are less expensive than the Primacy HPs. How the FUCK does that have anything to do with laziness?

>>17181551
Would you buy it if it was a thousand bucks more and had 5bhp more and no torque dip? It's not about bankruptcy, it's about having price targets and budgeting. It's just how the business works, and that's what the aftermarket is for.

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>>17173972
>Open link
>Pacifica versus 86 drag race

My sides were not prepared. Dammit OP

hey guys im mrcummy
*spins out at mph*

>>17181583
>Did you read the rest of my post? In my country 90% of aftermarket headers are illegal.
any Header subaru provides as stock would be legal. The aftermarket is a total different question. IF they were illegal in your country they couldn't be sold legally either.
>this was a deliberate design choice
there is literally no evidence of this. Their prius tires are generic shit they only put on because their cheap as fuck. No one cares if UHP is cheaper to you, they probably aren't to toyota or what ever sponsor ship bullcrap michellin, kumho or who ever does their tires up. Find me a single document anywhere that cites toyota saying "we did that to make it more tail happy" because its only retards like you that shill for laziness because you juxtapose a reason that it must be because they wanna drift more. Its a total ruse.

>thousand bucks
>headers
like you know fuck all about headers.

>>17181682
Not him but Isn't it the cat in the header which is what makes it restrictive? It needs that for emissions

>>17173972

RX8

>>17181702
I mean it doesn't really matter, use the same cat, change the header

>>17181682
>any Header subaru provides as stock would be legal
Do you really think a manufacturer can just snap his fingers and make things legal at will?
>IF they were illegal in your country they couldn't be sold legally either
Illegal to use you dunce.
>>17181682
>Their prius tires are generic shit they only put on because their cheap as fuck
Look up what they cost, they're far from cheap.
Why would I be defending the prius tires when they're the first thing I changed? Literally threw them out for PSSs the first chance I got.

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>>17181199
>Get mad your favorite boi racer mobile is shit both subjectively and on paper
>IT'S A CONSPIRACY

>>17181940
You must be new here if you didn't know shitposters reply to themselves

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>>17181954
How hard did that image trigger you?

>>17181980
Your image didn't trigger me, next time try to make it a bit less obvious it's you're first week here.

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>>17181991
Keep telling yourself that

>>17182043
>if I post more shitty pictures I'll win every argument
The state of (YOU), pack it up and try again tomorrow kiddo.

>>17182050
And yet here you are, eternally baited into giving them. This is the state of the average /o/ poster.

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>>17182050
And forgot my image

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>>17179075
>Even 200whp would have been enough to make it good, but they couldn't even do that.
Despite the fact that with 200hp everyone says it's good.

>>17179084
At least you've actually driven one. It's not fast at all, but you don't really care about that when you're throwing it around corners.

>>17179610
Same can be said of owners of Porsche's, Ferraris or any other performance car. Most are just for status these days unfortunately. Those of us that actually enjoy driving do hit the touge often, every single time I go there's always a few 86s there. The only other car you're guaranteed to see is a Miata. Also how does it fail when it's still faster than 99% of cars out there?

>>17179899
That's the whole point of the car. Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17180599
MX5 isn't practical enough to double as a daily driver (also until the ND it was 15k more expensive)
FWD hatches are FWD.

So let me know if I understand this? the 86gt is shit because its based off a 80's shit box that acording to a fucking anime! is real good on the down hill or something like that.
Am I Correct?

>>17184201
Lurk more, don't bump shit threads like this 5 hours later

>>17182148
>MX5 isn't practical enough to double as a daily driver
wrong

>>17184251
It's not, you can't keep a duffle bag with necessities clothes and such with any more room for groceries or random bullshit encounters. Imo Miata and 86 are better as toys for weekend backroads and such.

>>17184277
>can't keep a duffle bag
wrong
>with room for groceries
wrong
>and random encounters
>>>/tg/
I know you're wrong because I DD a Miata and use it for long road trips. The 86 has a shitton more space, too. "Practical" does not mean "can fit a whole household of shit."

>>17184318
Subaru dealer I go to is a shared Mazda dealer too, checked out a Miata and was really disappointed at the minimal space I know it's a tiny car not meant to haul shit but at the end of the day space is LIMITED which is not what a daily driver should be (for most).

>217 replies

>>17181439
>[Ws] * [Ws] = [W]
no

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>>17173972
The Miata, oh wait 3:18.6 is less than 3:20.8

My car is faster than an 86 and probably handles better.

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>>17184521
Ok then the S2000, bugger.

>>17184521
>>17184528
>the absolute state of remorseful mememachine buyers

>>17178865
Jesus Christ I can't believe people on /o/ get hung up on 1-2 second lap time differences performed by fucking professionals. As if that should enter the equation at all when selecting a car that you yourself would like to drive.

Disregard looks, interiors, cost (depends a lot upon location) and anything that might appeal to you as an individual. This is why James May hates the burgerking.

>>17184682
This thread is nothing but busriding autists. People who actually own cars here are pretty chill, but since shitposters discovered this board has no mods it's all gone to hell.

>>17184541
Yes but /o/ fell for the Miata and S2000 mememachines and now have to live with cars that are pissed on by the Toybaru twins.

>>17184735
When was the last time /o/ even had mods?

>>17184522
The 86 doesn't even handle that well, my camry handles better in corners.

>>17185298
Dude really ?

>>17186058
Protip: go throw around just about any modern econobox and you'll realize that the 86 is neither an exception nor a savior. This is not the 90's where your average vehicle is a floppy unibody piece of shit and the 86 is some super stiff top sekret rasin chassis with special tuned suspension.

>>17186848
Yikes

>>17186848

t. Never been to a track

>>17186960
>t. never driven anything but his FRS to an open track day and that one auto cross event

Whoa there Dagumi, better settle down now.

Who the FUCK bumped this?

>>17186981
The OP, look at the time gaps. Sad really

>>17186981
>Who the FUCK bumped this?
-Quote from man bumping thread

>>17187003
Uh, if you bothered to check, both me and >>17186987 saged. You did not. I just didn't put one of the names like "visible sage" in the name field this time.

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>>17187013
>Uh, if you bothered to check

>>17187109
>I have nothing better to say
Pack it up and try again tomorrow

>>17182050
>>17187116
I will, and you'll be right back to take the b8 again m8.