Is anyone else excited for the advent of electric vehicles? I

nope

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"I will never buy another ICE car ever again...."

"Once one has experienced the beauty of an electric car one is hopelessly lost for the ICE business model."

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/i-will-never-buy-another-ice-car-ever-again

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"I will never buy a gasoline-powered car again. Not because our all-electric Model S is greener, cheaper to operate, safer to drive and more innovative than our previous cars – which it is. But simply because it’s a better experience in almost every conceivable way: a better driving experience, a better ownership experience, and a better cultural experience."

https://www.tesla.com/customer-stories/why-ill-never-buy-another-gasoline-powered-car

>>17034536
>>17034579
>>17034606
These posts both reek of self-importance. gb2 >>>/g/

I'm excited to save fuel and money for my toys.

I just like them for their instant throttle response, low end torque, and no transmission. Driving a 110hp nissan leaf, the instant throttle response makes it feel a lot quicker than it really is in city traffic, especially considering its weight.

>>17034619
You'll end up spending just as much, if not more on electricity.

>>17034637
Try a N/A engine instead of turbo shit

>>17034644
Im only comparing it to an na. If you compare it to a similarly powered shitbox, Nothing can compare, especially an auto since that needs to downshift. Flooring an electric car, youve got full engine power immediately, no delay at all. And youre also always in the powerband, always putting out 110hp, no pauses for shifting or powerband rpm range, just a constant 110hp from like 5mph to 95mph. Still is slow though dont get me wrong, and going above 60mph kills range, but funnest sub 200hp car ive ever driven in city traffic.

>>17034612
>self-importance

I'm not seeing that at all. It's more like people who have had an experience of sudden and striking realization.

>>17034692
And you have only deepened that disgusting feeling

>>17034692
The people that wrote/commented on those links are the same kind of people that inhale their own farts to prevent aerosol polution

>>17034690

So it does everything a V8 powered work van does? Neat. You could of saved $40k and got a golf cart.

>>17034706
What do you mean, m8?

>>17034719
I don't think that would work.

>>17034721
No. Electric cars have 100% of torque at 0 RPM. They don't shift. They don't burn gasoline or diesel.

>>17034606
The people claiming that it's somehow a better driving experience are fucking morons. It's on the same set of shit springs and shocks that any other econobox is. There is nothing special
About the suspension or the handling - not to mention the profile of the car isn't suited for any aspect of corner performance. So I don't know what driving experience they are talking about

>>17034721
It was actually only 7k. Not my car either. Not sure why everyone hates on them. Im just saying comparing to a similar 100-150hp shitbox for a similar amount of money. Id rather have this as a grocery getter, still gotta have a dino burner for any actual trips or hooning. Plus its comfy, unlike a workvan or golf cart.

>>17034751
No, they just force you to sit around for hours after short distances. Destroy the earth worse than oil by increasing mining for precious metals. Tax the already strained power plants in populated cities. Cost way too much. Batteries degrade over time and the replacement cost wipes out all savings from gas and then some. They increase electricity prices. They increase pollution from power plants. You are fucked if power goes out. You are fucked if you ever forget to plug it in.

They are a toy car like an old drag car in the garage.

>>17034536

After working with electric forklifts in warehouses for years, No. My upper range hearing is good and the CRT TV like whine from the motor controllers is annoying as fuck.

Battery packs and the controllers in most electric cars are too shitty to make "full torque at 0 rpm" as that requires mad amperage which laptop batteries aren't putting out any time soon. That "instant acceleration" comes from the gear reduction that the 15k rpm motors use.

>>17034755
most normies only really notice moderately decent suspension setups as "really good" and are all for acceleration. turns out EVs check the second box big time

>>17034755
Power and smoothness of acceleration, quietness, regenerative braking, not stopping at gas stations. There's much more to driving than just turning, Anon.

>>17034779
This is actually true, that high pitched switching invertor noise is kinda annoying, and very noticable since theres no engine noise. Also from what ive noticed, the 2011 leaf doesnt put put full power until 5 mph or so, dont think its a power draw issue, i think the magnetic poles in the motor are saturating since they are rotating so slow at first. Brushless motors dont have full torque at 0rpm, but once they are spinning at say 10rpm they do. Just my experience. I dont think electic cars are the answer to anything or are gonna save the planet, i do think they interesting toys though, not practical for the majority, but they are improving.

>>17034797

>t. citydweller

>>17034755
Theyre saying theyre tesla fans you mong

>>17034797
>not stopping at gas stations
>but needing an ICE car to travel any distance over 125 miles

Electric cars are a fashion accessory.

>>17034807
Entry level Teslas start at 210 miles of range and go up to 335. The Chevy Bolt can go 238. Long charge times are not ideal, but there are better uses and worse uses for electric cars in their current state. Whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for your usage is completely up to you.

>>17034765
>Not sure why everyone hates on them.

Most likely confirmation bias, FUD, and general lack of knowledge.

>>17034826
LOL no one is going 335 miles GTFO.

Road tests seem to average just over 200 miles in real world conditions.

Also..... You have to go HOME. So REAL WORLD, lets say you get 250 miles. It's 300 miles round trip. HOORAY, you need an ICE.

>>17034826

Not in -20 they don't... That means no skiing, snowboarding and other winter activities which is a no go for me.

What's the point of all that glorious torque if you don't accelerate hard all the time because you have range anxiety?

>>17034826
You do know when it's cold, and you run the heater, you lose literally half the range right?

>>17034536
I am, but I don't want petrol engines to go away

>ice cuckolds got triggered again

>>17034860
>honest assessments and rebuttals about the fall-backs of electric
>HURRR TRIGGERED!!!!!

>>17034840
>Road tests seem to average just over 200 miles in real world conditions.
Source?

>Also..... You have to go HOME. So REAL WORLD, lets say you get 250 miles. It's 300 miles round trip. HOORAY, you need an ICE.
There are thousands of supercharger stations around the US and other countries that can charge over 80% in under an hour.

>>17034863
>honest
more like intellectually dishonest. you are painfully biased and exaggerate facts beyond the realm of truth. sperg more cuck
>>17034866
this post will trigger ice cuckolds

>>17034866
>1 hour
My tank only takes ~5 minutes to fill from E.

>>17034847
Some cars like the Kia Soul EV use a heat pump which is basically a reverse air conditioner. It's a much more efficient way of producing heat than resistive. I hope more electric cars use them.

>>17034869
you called it

>>17034866
>go read any article on the testing of the Tesla
>google.com

LOL planning your trips around charging stations. Here ya go, I want to go from Houston to Dallas, visit the largest state fair in the country, and go home: https://www.tesla.com/findus#/bounds/30.022776,-95.5372849,29.9306631,-95.6156699,d?search=destination%20charger&name=77070

>BARELY make it to Dallas
>have to drive downtown out of the way to find nearest charger
>HOPE no one else is using it since they are all at hotels
>HOPE they let me charge my car
>sit there for a FUCKING hour minimum
>in my $110k car
>so I can drive to the state fair
>kids want to stop on the way back to (insert any place)
>HURRR MUHH ADVERTISED 300 miles
>battery about to die
>stop again in Huntsville
>charge another hour
>sit in a fucking parking lot again
>finally get home
Yeah..... or I could buy a normal fucking car for 1/3 the MSRP, NEVER spend more in gas than a tesla would cost me. And never be worried about being stranded.

>inb4 I go in the winter and the car dies half way back or I have to stop every 100 miles to charge just in case, but I can't get off any major road or I'll need a tow.

>>17034874
On the days you don't exceed the range, it will take less than 10 seconds to plug it in.

>>17034889
>1 hour is a long time
future versions will charge in less than 40 minutes.

>inb4 some ignorant autist says it will hurt the battery charging that fast

>>17034889
Forgot to mention, there are NO superchargers between two of the biggest cities in the US and none in that part of Dallas. Closest one is in Denton, 40 min away from dallas and too far for the range.

>>17034889
Fair criticism. Like I said, there are better uses and worse uses for electric cars in their current state. Whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for your usage is completely up to you.

>>17034898
>only at super chargers
>none between Dallas and Houston
>none in Dallas
>2 in all fo Houston
>hurrr buy it for future promises!!!
>hurrrrr this totes wont degrade your battery 5x faster

Also, are you literally justifying sitting in a fucking hotel parking lot for HOURS (since they aren't super chargers) after driving for hours. Keep grasping at straws.

>>17034889
Also you shouldn't get so worked up. Stress is unhealthy.

>>17034898
40 minutes is still an absurdly long time when compared to the 5 minutes it takes to refuel an ICE car

>>17034536
It's not a motor if it's not a rotor

>>17034905
>not understanding there will be over a 1000 more charging stations by 2020
>>17034915
at most dummy. Current chargers only put out 150kw. the future version will put 350+kw. elon confirmed it himself.

>hurr why isn't a 17 year old company perfect compared to 100+ year old companies
literal autism

>>17034915
Can you imagine Taking the family from say, New Mexico to Florida for vacation. And having to stop at EVERY super charger for an hour. All the way there? And that's only 80%, so call it 1.5 hours. EVERY 250 miles (to be extremely fair). IF you could even make it to each station. that's 7 EXTRA stops for 1.5 hours. That's an extra 10.5 hours of time on the road.

>>17034921
>buy for future promises
LOL, they also said they would have all those battery swap stations by now. How did that work out?
>keep grasping at straws and ignoring the limitations of a $110k car
>still justifying stopping every 3 hours of a road trip for an entire hour to charge the car
>as long as you only travel the route super chargers are on
>and only if no one else is using it when you arrive

>>17034915
You may find that the total time you save by never going to gas stations can outweigh the time you take charging your car at public stations. This is all depending on how far you plan to drive and how often you plan to do it.

>>17034931
You do know cars don't need to be filled with gas every day right? And that it literally takes less than 3 minutes.

>>17034927
>they also said they would have those battery swap stations by now
No, they literally didn't. It was a simple presentation as a potential possibility. You are autistic.

>110k
80k. also fastest car on the planet.
>implying the majority of people travel 300 miles daily
sperg more
>not understanding that there will be over a thousand more by 2020 to increase travel options
>muh cherry picked scenario
lol

>>17034931
>banked time
LOL that is irrelevant. If I save 10 minutes a day for a year, but I'm late to work, that doesn't fucking help me.

I'm looking forward to hybrid sports cars like the 918 if significantly lighter batteries get developed.

>>17034946
2020 mustang will be a hybrid turbo 4 cylinder making more torque than the current mustang gt. ford confirmed it at their conference.

>>17034936
>We're going to talk about the range of the most expensive
>but we're going to quote the price of the base
LOL

>simple presentation
It was literally a pilot program that failed
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-shuts-down-battery-swap-program-for-superchargers/
http://fortune.com/2015/06/10/teslas-battery-swap-is-dead/
>inb4 you don't read the articles clearly showing it wasn't a presentation, it was a business model with a real program behind it, that failed

https://www.tesla.com/models/design
>$134,500
>still defending things that haven't happened and EVEN IF they did do not fix the problems

LOL son, you've been absolutely DECIMATED with facts. Just suicide so hard.

>>17034950

Tesla Model S is still the best car on the planet behind the Mercedes S class

No matter how angry you get, you can't stop that.

>>17034923
Electric cars are in their infantry. Electric cars will get better as charging stations become more common and charge rates increase. As inconvenient as it may be, it still *can* be done, and that's a promising first step; is it not?

>>17034953
Great opinion faggot, no matter how wrong you are.

>>17034950
still 80k sperg more.

>simple presentation
>hurr b-but
ok autist

see
>>17034869
proved my point. not to mention you sperg really hard. reminder that the model s will only continue to improve and it will remain the fastest vehicle on the planet no matter how hard you cry.
>>17034953
this

>>17034964
The "fastest" one is not 80k miles. Dude, that's a literal fact. What is wrong with you?

>inb4 I was just pretending to HUUURRRRRRRR

Also, samefagging.

>>17034970
*dollars
>herp
>inb4 goal post is moved again.

>>17034970
car only costs 80k. sperg more.

Also made a mistake in my previous post. it won't even take 15 minutes for future stations to charge.

>A mere 350 kW … what are you referring to, a children's toy?
>Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 24, 2016After unveiling the Supercharger in 2012, Tesla CTO JB Straubel said that Tesla aims to bring the charging down to 5 to 10 minutes
https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/12/24/tesla-supercharger-v3-over-350-off-grid-solar-powerpack-elon-musk/amp/

BTFO

>>17034986

I think those hair plugs are messing with his brain if he thinks he can charge batteries at full c rates without any negative consequences. Have fun changing your battery pack every year.

>>17034986
I'm super excited for the release of the Model 3. I hope it turns out amazing and can charge in just a few minutes.

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>>17034998
>i don't understand batteries
the post. you can already charge cellphones in 30 minutes while doing no damage to the battery in the long run. the main enemy is heat when charging batteries not the amount of current. sperg more.
>>17035005
you will. you'll also cause all the autists on the board to sperg.

>>17035005
Yeah I bet it comes with a interstellar blowjob from Musk too huh.

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Guys, can't we just enjoy electric cars while still realizing their shortcomings?

>>17034986
>still banking on promises
>the fast car only in 0-60
LITERALLY $100k+. Here's Tesla, literally telling us that.

https://www.tesla.com/models/design
https://www.tesla.com/models/design
>inb4 the over 4 sec 0-60 model

>>17035006
>with no damage to the battery
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
If you ignore the significantly shorter life span, then sure.

>>17035011
I would like to but this board is fucking garbage.

>>17035006
>you can already charge cellphones in 30 minutes while doing no damage to the battery

bullshit. Fast charging will fuck up your battery in less than a year if you use it heavily. That's why most people need to carry around external power banks. Dumping 10w into a little phone battery produces a lot of heat which doesn't help.

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>>17035016
>HURRR YOU CAN'T CHARGE IT DAT FAST.
>IT BAD 4 DA BATTERY
lol
QUALCOMM>you
>>17035012
model s does 0-60 in 2.2 seconds.
>>17035025
You are literally retarded. I guarantee you are an ifaggot who thinks it take 2 hours to charge a phone. and no fast charging does not harm the battery. heat does. this myth has been disproven. you are retarded.

>>17035006
>the main enemy is heat when charging batteries not the amount of current
>what is Joule's first law
>what is high school physics
>what is american education

>>17035039
see
>>17035038
sperg more

>>17035038
>fast charging does not harm the battery. heat does.
heat is the result of charging, you absolute fucking imbecile. literally a cretin who doesn't understand basic physics trying to argue using marketing material. kys yourself.

>>17035045
>doesn't even deny being an ifag
lol. switch to Android and enjoy not being cucked by a charger. and no it doesn't harm the battery. keep spreading memes.

you've been btfo. keep sperging

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must suck to be behind the curve with ishit

>2017
>his phone takes longer than 30 minutes to charge

ice fags btfo yet again.

LOL. reminder that batteries will only get better and ice shit will stand still.

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>>17034536
fucking ICE scrubs and Electro-plebs arguing over who has it better.
>Refueling

Hahaha, get in with the never have to refuel ever again master race.

>but muh fear of radiation
pussy.

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No, because they would make absolutely terrible cars for going /out/.
>short range
>have to charge for an hour
>can't just put some jerry cans on the back for extra range

I might be down for a hybrid tacoma 4x4 though.

>>17034936
>fastest car on the planet
Quickest, not fastest. That's the Charger Hellcat.

>>17035119
fastest.

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Fuel cells would be better, but I'll take electric.

>>17035126
Quickest.
Charger is the fastest, 204 mph

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>>17035167
>Americans seriously think going 204 mph makes something the fastest car on the planet

>>17034755
There normies they only care about can it get me from point A to point B they find driving to be a chore they only care about having a giant fucking screen in the car so they can shitpost on /o/ about how amazing their electric transport pods are they couldn't give less of a fuck about actually driving
tl;dr normies hate driving

>>17034949
>The automaker promises the hybrid Mustang will make as much power as the V8, with more low-end torque.

damn... nice. let's hope it's not too pigfat.

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>>17035220
And the quicker they're relieved from driving, the better. Normally the solution would be public transport and cycling, but the Americans apparently are allergic to it and their city planning disqualifies them from it.

>>17035167

>fastest car on the planet
>204mph

>what is bugatti veyron the post
>268mph

204mph doesn't even get the hellcat into the top 25.

>>17035264
>bugatti veyron lool xDDDD

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>>17035243
yeah sucks NYC proves that public transit works in the US but most "cities" don't have the money nor any incentive to invest in it plus the disruption to current traffic in most areas would be disastrous
although most major cities have some form of decent public transit but other than NYC/San Fransisco nobody uses it

The Tesla Model S is my dream car but I will never be able to afford one.

>>17035457
>The Tesla Model S is my dream car
why are you here

>>17035466
I thought everyone agreed the Model S is the best car on the market?

>>17035466
Because he's not fucking autistic enough to say "NUH UH NOT GOOD
ENOUGH TO BE A DREAM CAR" about X car?

>>17035470
just the best at triggering hellcat fans

>>17034898
But for most people, that is a massive inconvenience. Yes, the technology is really good and will probably surpass ICE cars in the future, but compared to a normal car which takes 5 minutes to refuel 40 minutes is unacceptable. At the moment, for daily driver replacements, they simply are not a like for like solution in terms of usability.

>>17034536
Shame we will have to wait 300 years for battery technology to make it practical.

>>17034898

I like the way you try to cover off the fat that will kill the battery in no time with a bullshit inb4. Rapid charging is very bad for battery life and that's not something that is going to change in the short term and anyone with knowledge of battery technology will tell you that.

>>17034536
as long as they dont enforce electric and self driving crap onto everyone i dont mind.

>>17034639
This is probably true, it will also push up the cost of electricity for everything else dramatically as demand outstrips supply, the efficiency chain in powering a BEV is horrendously bad and that's going to be reflected in taxes and price per kwh as soon as BEVs start to become everyday vehicles.

>>17034957
You mean they'll die, and then 30 years later we'll run finely tuned ICE shitboxes off alcohol fuels

And they will have all the problems tesla has that aren't inherent to the engine tech

>constant uplink, fuck choice, you touch car we brick car you take car to dealership
>garbage interior
>touchscreen everything
>no driving allowed. the problem is not that there are too many people that have to be on the road, it's that they all suck at driving! let's invest into more conspicuous consumption by updating personal vehicles that take up 8 persons worth of space to move one person! Yeah, that's the future baby!

>>17034898
>you can travel 40 miles in 40 minutes at painfully slow american highway speeds
>refuelling with gas: 5 minutes

yes it is a long time

"better than before" does not equal "good"

>>17035523
futurist retards swear we'll have a thousand LFTR plants by then

but we won't. not with the increasingly liberal political climate and still very real concerns about human error, including software bugs and other engineering fuckups. yes, i said increasingly liberal. trump won't last 8 years. we're going hard blue after this.

>>17034957
>Electric cars are in their infantry.
189 years compared to 131 years for petrol ICE, interesting definition of infancy (I assume that is the word you were looking for not infantry).

My problem with Tesla is that they try so hard to make their cars all futuristic and chase headline numbers instead of trying to make a usable daily driver that most people actually want to buy. Yes, they are fast. That is great. But I don't give a shit if it does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds or whatever, I will never do that with my daily driver. Most people simply don't care about stuff like that, and in the real world it is totally irrelevant. Something like a BMW 328i / 320d is plenty fast enough for most real world applications, why not use that performance as a benchmark and focus on it not taking an hour to charge instead?

Then you have that massive touchscreen in the middle of the dash that looks awful, is distracting at night, and is harder to use than conventional controls because you have to take your eyes of the road to use the stupid thing. Why not give it normal buttons like a normal fucking car?

If they made something that was a good mid size saloon rival that had reasonable performance, a normal practical interior, and could charge in a sensible time, pretty much everyone would buy one instead of a 3 series.

I want sweet electric cars but I don't want tesla's appliance garbage.

Just give me an electric motor coupled the rear wheels and no bullshit.

>>17035550
>why not use that performance as a benchmark and focus on it not taking an hour to charge instead?

Because you can't change the physics of the battery, the face all the fastest accelerating cars take the same amount of time to do the 0-60 run is down to the same issue we have hit the current limits of tyre technology for something that is road usable, you could swap out the lithium cells for supercapacitors that charge almost instantly (assuming you have the current to supply them) but then you hit the wall of energy density that is already an issue for current batteries and is worse for supercaps so you could charge faster but go a shorter distance or need a much larger vehicle to hold the capacitors. Electrical transmission and charging efficacy also drops off dramatically with current, hence the use of high voltage in the likes of train OLE, that don't work well for battery or capacitor packs, capacitors have a lower energy density as voltages increase and battery cells have a fixed voltage dependant upon the chemistry of the cell, if you install them in series if one cell goes open circuit you loose the entire battery pack.

>>17035561
Allow me to shill Factory Five some more. Apparently EV conversions are a thing. Mid-engine to boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-ZbyEZG-IU&t=32s

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>>17035457
Me too, Anon.

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>>17035466
It's an auto and this is an auto discussion board.

>>17035485
The numbers are superior if the range is never to almost never exceeded, which is within most American's driving habits. Plugging a charger can take less than 10 seconds. Never having to make trips to gas stations and shops for oil changes is a plus.

I drive a Volt. It came off the lot with about 70% oil life and now has 17%. It has been driven a total of about 23,000 miles and has not yet had an oil change. My average mpg has been 82, according to a trip computer, which I reset when I first got the car. I once took a trip to Salt Lake City from central California and back again. I used 60 gallons of gas! Stops were much quicker than if I was driving a fully electric car, though.

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>>17035550
Model 3, yo.

Hydrogen is the real future. Electric cars is a meme that will die out (again lmao).

>>17034771

Thanks, grandpa. Don't forget to take your meds before your nap.

>>17034536
Don't care about electric, but I do want auto pilot shit.

>>17036472
>but I do want auto pilot shit.

>>>/n/

>>17035509
>rapid charging is bad for the battery
no it isn't.

>>17036507
>not wanting the ability to auto pilot and still drive

Deal with it yuropoorean

>>17036546

Basic chemistry says otherwise.

>>17036562
>what is quick charge 4.0
see
>>17035038

>>17034536
Nope. Not excited at all. After years of electric RC cars, planes and Helicopters, I have zero interest in buying electric cars. It's easy for me to mod my electric planes and cars to make them fast; swap the motor, upgrade the ESC and battery. But when I want to upgrade my car I don't want to do motor swaps and controllers, if the electric car even has space for a more powerful motor or a computer system that will let you upgrade the controller without being a 1337 c0der. I want to build high compression engines that rev high or weld up turbo headers and tune my boosted car at the drag strip.

I also value the feels aspect of my internal combustion engines, induction noise, flames out the tailpipe when I bounce off the launch control while staged, I wouldn't want to drive a full size version of my insanely fast electric RC car, even if it's faster around the track than my project car.

>>17036454
Sick arguments bro

>>17034771
electric cars pollute less. stop reading breitbart articles you imbecile.

>>17036567

My S6 will charge from 0-100% in under an hour. Is that good for the battery? No. Most people's phone batteries are fucked from charging the shit out of them constantly yet you think Tesla's mighty batteries which use the same chemistry are immune to this.

>>17036602
>is that good for the battery
no damage is done to the battery by using quick charge. you have no evidence to prove it does except for "hurrrrrrrr it does damge".

>>17036605

Yeah you're hopeless. This is basic knowledge in the RC and E-bike world. You've drunken too much Musk Aid and are brainwashed.

>>17036614
>literally no evidence behind a claim
this is the state of anti tesla fags.

>>17036605
https://www.google.com/search?q=lithium+ion+charging+speed+and+battery+life&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

>>17036621
>>17036605
>reads some bunk article trumping up his fast-charging """""smart""""" phone on some stupid techfetish website
>thinks it's truth
Meanwhile from the actual engineers;
https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2016/sep/a-designer-guide-fast-lithium-ion-battery-charging

>>17036634
see
>>17035038
lol. Batteries are only going to get faster. sperg more.

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>>17036651
>keeps repeating his brainwashed mantra thinking it will make it true

>>17036662
>talking about yourself
lol. it doesn't hurt the battery. only things that hurt the battery are

>running it below 20%
>overcharging
>getting the battery hot

>>17035264
He was the one who claimed the Tesla was the fastest. It's the quickest sedan in the world, the Hellcat is the fastest one. The Tesla isn't even the quickest electric car in the world.
>>17035196
Again I meant sedan.

>>17036672
tesla is the fastest

>>17036670
And batteries get hot when you charge at high C rates. Therefore charging a battery at a high C rate damages it.

>>17036684
The model S has battery coolers and heaters you braindead moron. It's perfectly possible to manage the heat levels to charge it in 15 minutes or less.

>>17036677
It isn't. In fact it's limited to 130 mph, likely because going any faster would melt the coils in the motor

>>17036691
it is the fastest. sperg more. ice cuck

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>>17036696
>130 mph
>fastest
kek


>11 minutes at Nürburgring
kekkerino

>>17036702
0-60 in 2.2 seconds

>>17035523
>the efficiency chain in powering a BEV is horrendously bad
You're fucking retarded!
If that was true industrial machines would still run on fossil fuels.

>>17036688
A quick Google told me it's a basic antifreeze cooling system for the batteries. Sounds nice enough for normal driving, but high C rates are much more punishing than normal driving.
T. Was really into hobby rc racing for years. Most couldn't handle above 1.5C or so while maintaining what was considered a safe temp, especially when fresh out of the car. And there were quality batteries mind you, not Turnigy trash.

>>17036714
>2.28
FTFY
Also there are quicker cars. The 918 truly does it in 2.2s.

>>17036751
>no video of it going 2.2
lol. into the trash it goes.
>>17036744
>my opinion is more valid than an engineers
okay?

>>17036760
>implying it isn't easy to alter video

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>>17036714

That's slow as shit.

>>17036814
>it's fake!
lol

I'm sure a lot of clueless normies are excited for dead technology.

>>17034551
This

>>17036826
And that's not production.
>literally can't beat a '94 Ferd
lmao git gud

2016 AMZ Grimsel Electric Race Car 0-60 mph 1.5
2015 Infiniti Formula 1 Red Bull RB11 0-60 mph 1.7
1994 Ford SVT Boss Mustang 10.0L Concept 0-60 mph 1.9 | Quarter mile 10.5
>>17036846
That's not what I said, I said footage proves nothing. Stay triggered faggot.

>>17036883
it does. stay btfo.

>>17034579
>>17034606
Shills

>>17036760
Did the engineer design the cooling system with ultra fast charges in mind, or just to handle driving normally?

>>17036885
>i-it does
nice daydreaming pal

>>17036916
who knows? only elon does.
>>17036917
stay btfo

>>17034755
760hp, faggot.

It's basically a hellcat with a smoother engine

Current cars gets about 200 miles with a full tank at $35. Commute is about 40 miles round trip, and I spend even more on synthetic oil changes and all the shit that breaks down. It's in my garage every single night. Who the hell wouldn't want an electric car? I won't have to deal with the bullshit, and it's full every single night. Are people actually driving 300+ miles every single day?

>>17036966
no they aren't. an autist itt is just sperging

>>17036966
I think the issue is that range is for normal driving. Drive somewhere to a track, have fun with it, you might not get home.

Can't wait for them to double the number of coal plants to produce more power.

>>17036966

Apologies, I meant "current car", as in, my own car.

resto mod geo metro when?

>>17036966
>Current cars gets about 200 miles with a full tank at $35.
wow dude, that sucks. Mine gets 450 miles with a full tank and it isn't even a car with great mileage, just a French midsize sedan with a Volvo engine.

>>17036966
For commuting electrics make sense, the problem is when you take your vacation and end up losing valuable time because of driving an electric. I'd keep a ICE if I went electric, for weekends and travel.

>>17037073

Yeah, I think a lot of people will be doing that. Get a Tesla 3 for 99% of their driving, and an ol' beater for camping or long commutes. Last time I drove for hours was last year to the beach lol.

>>17037107
I'd probably do that until I start missing the manual transmission, the driving feels and the aesthetics of a car without a touchscreen

>>17036856
>dead

But electric cars are growing in sales.

>>17037107
I think people will lease whatever the fuck month to month and swap cars on a whim instead of actually owning them

EV's battery crapping out? Send that fucker to drive itself away. A new one will drive itself to your garage shortly.

>>17036883
Literally who cares about production?

Buying a new top end tesla costs the same, if not more, than building an electric drag car, even if you pay for labor. And definitely more than buying the car off its creator.

>>17036966
where the fuck do you live to get that number?
I pay 35$ and get 330 miles.

>>17036596
>electric cars pollute less.
No they don't, go and do the calculations yourself. Stop taking the bullshit claims from the press releases as gospel.

>>17038207
They do pollute less dumbfuck. get off breitbart for a second dumbass

>>17036726
>You're fucking retarded!
Is that the level of argument you can produce when facts are provided to you? When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
How many industrial machines run on batteries? When you need to provide a backup for the mains for anything more than a few amps you run a diesel generator not a battery because the efficiency chain is shit.

>>17038231
>more electricity to charge them
>mineral mining
>less pollution
LOL

>>17038251
Yes? Those are all factored in. Electric cars have no talepipe emissions so the extra emissions for production are negated. Let's open a patron account for you. I'll help pay for your autism medication.

>>17038265
*patreon

>>17038231
>They do pollute less dumbfuck.
Not in the USA, go and do some research rather than just slinging unfounded insults around and you will find you are wrong and have simply swallowed the marketing crap.

>>17038265
Simply repeating the lie isn't going to make it any more true.

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>>17038277
Yes, they do. Places where electric cars pollute more are in India and China.
>you will find you are wrong
No, I won't. Get off breitbart dumbass.
>>17038286
Nice projection, lol. Electric pollutes let get over it

>>17038277
Sure pal
>https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/item/23226-study-electric-vehicles-pollute-more-than-gas-powered-cars
or
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-cars-are-not-necessarily-clean/
or
>https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/
or
>https://www.thezebra.com/insurance-news/2368/why-electric-cars-can-cause-more-pollution-than-gas-cars/

>>17038299
>not taking into account the massive destruction of earth that mining involves
LOL

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>>17038319
what do you think battery production means? It requires lithium mining to produce batteries. lol you are retarded.

>>17038329
Since they don't define MANUFACTURING. It's clear they aren't taking into account the process of mining and all the gas/diesel powered trucks involved.

>>17038299
>no source posted
Into the trash it goes

>>17038342
>it's clear they aren't taking into account the process of mining
Riiiiiight. Because it requires no lithium to produce batteries. According to your logic. I guess that makes electric cars even more efficient. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>17038350
it's from the epa. see >>17038329

sperg more autist

bump for more ice faggot tears

>>17038354
Do you know what "manufacturing" means? It doesn't mean the means TO manufacture. Fucking retard.

>>17038382
Uhhhhh.... Battery has been BTFO continuously ITT.

>>17038394
Yes, which was factored in. sperg more, faggot

>>17038400
It doesn't say that. Nice assumption.

>>17038399
>this delusional of reality
not surprising since you think ice shit pollutes less. lol
>>17038406
see
>>17038299
it says battery manufacturing, you illiterate nigger.

>>17038299
>Nice projection
>get off Breitbart

>>17038207
How about you do the calculations for me
Because every thing I've read that is a reputable source disagrees with you

Show me your magical numbers

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>>17034551
>I claim to like cars and going fast but a vehicle that produces maximum power over its entire rpm range and is 200x simpler is inferior because it doesn't make grumbly sounds or has a knob to fondle.

>>17034579
Is the term "ICE" something only teslafags use?

>>17034536
there's not really much more performance left for street cars unless you want something for track use only.

>>17034690
> always in the powerband
negative

I've been driving a LEAF since 2011. It's nice.

>quiet
>smooth power
>gets up and goes right away
>never have to go to a gas station.
>inexpensive to own and operate
>warm or cold car waiting for me. using charger power so the battery is full.
>maintenance has been some software updates, tire rotation, and changing out the obsolete 2g cell radio for 3g.


when I have to drive a gasoline burner. It is just loud and tiring in comparison. reminding me of when I was in the army and driving HMMWVs.

>>17038812
>gets up and goes right away

what does that even mean

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>>17038596
> a vehicle that produces maximum power over its entire rpm range

nope

>>17034751
>No. Electric cars have 100% of torque at 0 RPM. They don't shift. They don't burn gasoline or diesel.
100% of torque linearly diminishes as RPM rises and there is no gearbox to help.

>>17038823
electric motors make maximum torque at 0 rpm.

so the electric car will accelerate hard from a stand still if you stab the accelerator pedal.

>>17038596
>maximum power over its entire rpm range
LOL!

>200x simpler
LOL!

>>17038851
they could put in gearboxes, but they aren't viewed as necessary. so the weight, cost, and complexity is eliminated.

tesla tried 2 speed boxes with the test mule model s cars. the ones light enough snapped under load.

>>17038839
>dat torque dip
Who would want that? There's no way that dyno chart belongs to anything with a high top speed.

>>17038876

>ice fags btfo this hard

>>17038876
That's how electric motors are, good torque low in the rev range, a sharp peak, then a sharp drop.

>>17034889
You can always tell when someone is smart and spends their own money vs bus riders BC bus riders never think about the actual practice and cost of doing something and only talk about the marketing talking points Tesla laid out for them.

>>17034936
>fastest car on the planet

Lol Christ the 60k corvette can beat it no problem. The Tesla is fastest ONLY in 0-60 time. Its a piece of piece of shit by any other metriC. It can't go around nurburgring without overheating and going into low power mode and it finished slower than the Prius

>>17039894
Not to mention the massive inconvenience Tesla fags refuse to admit (well one was kinda accepting it ITT). If you ONLY live, work, go, travel in a 40 mile radius and never spend the day going out and about, then it's probably fine. But it's also Between $80k-$130k. So many better things to buy for hte money.

>>17039894
GM cuck trying this hard

My neighbors have two teslas
They are always hooked up to the charging stations things. They both leave the driveway once a day, the first to drive to work and back (he doesn't work far from home) and the other to pick up kids from school and get groceries (the school and shops are close as fuck walking distance... good job saving he enviroment Lmao)

Near 300k worth of batteries and metal sitting in their front yard and they see less use than grandma's gemini, while doing immeasurably more damage to the enviroment

Nothing more than fashion accessories for yuppies

>>17039952
Dude how do you know their daily routine? Wtf is wrong with you.
ICE fags confirmed fat neet virgins

>>17034579
>>17034606
>Greener
>Doesn't consider how that electricity is made

>Thinks he's rich
>Needs tax benefits to afford it

>Batteries can't be recycled
>Terrible for the environment
>Need mining
>Car becomes useless after they shit themselves

Tesla can eat a dick

>>17039963
I like to chill on my balcony and smoke joints most of the day

I also talk to them.. duh
I could taste the salt when I asked why he went out and brought two brand new vehicles to try and reduce his carbon footprint when he already two perfectly good and economical vehicles
His answer was "no progress can be made without actually taking steps forward"

>>17040102
Honestly Tesla fags are the same as reddit fags.

>>17039915
0-60 is the only important day to day metric

>>17040496
Why don't you drive a $30k 8 second drag car then?

>>17040508
not production and i enjoy going more than 1 mile before breaking down

>>17038876
Tesla's top speed is limited to 130mph. It's probably to protect the motors.

>>17039979
coal power plants are more thermally efficient than internal combustion engines. combined with the efficiency of transmission and electric motors. you produce half or less of the CO2 grams per mile in the Model S, then you would in similar sized gas burner.

batteries can be recycled you twat. cuts the energy needed to make new batteries by 90%.

mining for battery materials is harmless. especially compared to how fucking toxic oil is, and the geo political and economic impacts that oil has.

the waste products from turning lithium salts into a battery can be more easily managed than air pollution from refining oil.

do you think gasoline just magically appears out of the ground under gas stations?

>>17039894
agreed
>>17039930
agreed
>>17039947
how is he a GM cuck?
BTW the Volt is a more intelligent design since it doesn't force you to wait for charges. That's where the hybrid surpasses the EV.

>>17040542
triple digit speeds are irrelevant except track only cars.

I was stationed in Germany for a few years and got to autobahn. going over 100mph sucks fuel and tires. the unrestricted parts are just nice to be able to pass with out having to worry about getting a speeding ticket.

>>17039952
>Nothing more than fashion accessories for yuppies
pretty much sums up teslas

>>17040102
>I could taste the salt when I asked why he went out and brought two brand new vehicles to try and reduce his carbon footprint when he already two perfectly good and economical vehicles
>His answer was "no progress can be made without actually taking steps forward"
kek, I can imagine the face he must have put on

>>17040546
Volt is a technically competent car. Though the interior is too damn small. seats 4, roof is really too low. I can sit in the back seat of a 240sx, but not a back seat of a volt. Trunk is like that of a corvette instead of a sedan. even getting into the front seats can be a problem for me. I"m not 6'2"

The Chevy Bolt is a 4 door hatch and slightly larger than a LEAF. 220 mile range. huge interior space. DC fast charging. same price range as the volt.

>>17040543
>mining for battery materials is harmless
kek

>>17040564
lithium mining is pumping water through sand and letting the brine evaporate leaving behind lithium salts.

>>17040559
EVs only make sense if you plan to use them only for your daily commute and it's short. I bet one of the biggest advantages is not burning energy while stopped as ICE cars do in stop and go traffic. As I said in >>17037073 and >>17037122 I'd probably DD an electric, at least until I get sick of its appliance-like features.

>>17040571
And it's horribly polluting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1166387/In-search-Lithium-The-battle-3rd-element.html

>>17040574
>ICE cars do in stop and go traffic.
Implying stop start isn't common.

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What is the LS swap of electric engines???

>>17040543
>coal power plants are more thermally efficient than internal combustion engines.
But pollute more per kwh

>combined with the efficiency of transmission and electric motors.
Significantly less efficient than an ICE setup unless you discount charging and discharging the batteries
> you produce half or less of the CO2 grams per mile in the Model S, then you would in similar sized gas burner.

Not true, it's at least on par to 20% more but keep recycling your PR myths from a company that has a track record of lying about the environmental and range performance of its cars. (See the Tesla vs BBC Top Gear case of 2013)

>>17034936
>80k. also fastest car on the planet.
Slower round the ring (the most important real world metric) and lower top speed than a slowbaru. Enjoy spending 100k on a slowerthanaslowerthanaminivan.

>>17040691
nope. 0-60 is. Sperg more

>>17040658
>implying it's good
>implying it isn't annoying af
I'd rather waste that fuel than have my engine stop and start randomly. Also it causes problems and doesn't work all the time because the conditions that have to be met are sometimes too strict,

>>17038876
>dat torque dip
>Who would want that?
Ask frz owners

>2020
>Go to ol Jimmy John's ranch
>find a 1995 gmc that's been sitting in a field since 2000
>Replace battery, replace engine oil, replace gas, replace any rubber lines that might have cracked or dissolved
>crank it for a couple minutes and watch it fire up for the first time in 20 years
>procede to drive it home under its own power

>2020
>Go to Boomie mcboomersons house
>find a garage kept 2015 Tesla that's been sitting inside a garage and under a tarp since 2018
>Bring almost 7000 lithium 18650s
>Remove the whole body from the frame
>over the course of 6 months carefully desolder the old ones and solder in new ones taking care to hook them all up correctly and to not short or over heat any cell or they could explode
>Pay the local recycling center $4500 to dispose of your half ton of batteries
>After half a year of painstaking labor you go to turn the car on
>"Sorry, your tesla™ vehicle is over 1 model year old and unsafe to drive and has been remotely disabled. Please proceed to the nearest tesla™ retailer and purchase a new Tesla™. This message brought to you by your friends at Tesla™"
>google up a hack some 7 year old Russian made up in his spare time in-between hacking counter strike matches to bypass the lockout
>spend another month building the PCB and learning how to program integrated circuits needed to splice into the harness
>Finally, the car turns on and drives, although Everything is now in cryllic and telling you they found child porn on your car and you must pay the FBI with gift cards and counter strike skins to not go to jail... but that's ok
>The moment of Truth, you back out of the boomers garage and on to the street
>The torque snaps you back into your seat as you go 0-60 in less than 2 seconds
>You make it 10 miles down the road before the car shuts off for no reason at a stoplight
>You press the power button again
>Battery: 0%

Yeah I'll stick with combustion thanks.

>>17040836
but the Model s has a 10 year infinite mile warranty? Might wanna change that date to 2025 minimum you autist.

The Tesla can EASILY do its 300 mile range.

All you have to do is buy one so Tesla can meme his space colonization plan and build roads on the moon. Once you are in the vacuum of space and on a perfectly smooth road you can do your 300 miles. Fucking GMfags will never understand this.

>>17040854
Yeah and we were all promised that Obama would be the saving Grace of America and all its people and we all see how that turned out

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>>17040882
how does it feel to have autism?

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>>17040887

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>Supercar beating performance
>With seating for 7
>And over 30 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats up
>And without using a drop of Earth killing dinosaur juice in an occupant killing ICE

This car is glorious.

>>17040917
>without using a drop of dinosaur juice
>what is passing the buck

>>17040917
>>Supercar beating performance
and yet it cant even lap laguna seca without going into limp mode
only 'supercar' its beating is maybe a corvette

>>17040944
it's a sedan retard. not a track car. wait till 2020 for tesla's sports car if you want lap times.

>>17040941
Renewable energy.

>>17040944
Track performance only matters on tracks.

>>17040941
humanity will always have a macguffin made of some bs unobtainable
what do when the sun dies ehh (hopefully things don't last that long)

>>17040966
Yeah, so keep your drag launches to them, lest your battery die or you crash because you took off to fast to notice that retard that ran a red.

Oh wait you can't because racing is harder on an EV than any other kind of car

Also, lol, planet killing. How to spot someone who understands climate change about as well as trump.

>>17040966
>Track performance only matters on tracks
or on any road that has corners
but seeing as you cant take teslas outside of your 10km square metropolitan area it doesnt really matter, does it

>>17041075
no bro see oh two matters we gotta preserve the planet exactly how it is the world would be worse if polar bears died out and serbia became arable

>>17040697
0-60 is a reckless driver's metric. It's for redneck retards who endanger themselves and others stoplight to stoplight and then blame "that dumb woman driver stacy" for pulling out without expecting them to be going 5 over the speed limit a couple of seconds after taking off.

Lap times are a mature person's metric. You go to a track, you put on your helmet, you pay your $100, everyone has fun, and you'll probably be BTFO by some kid sliding around in an LS miata because skills actually matter more than wallet size all of a sudden.

>>17040697
>0-60
Nigger detected.

>>17038839
I like how the HP lags the torque, kind of like how an inductor's current lags its voltage.

The torque drops because electric motors use less current when they're up to speed. The HP drop seems to be due to the motor heating up, creating more resistance in the coils.

>>17040854
>but the Model s has a 10 year infinite mile warranty?

Nope, doesn't cover normal degradation of the battery pack or a host of other problems like the door handles.

>>17040873
Yea see what happened when Top Gear Tested the range of the Tesla.Tesla were so butthurt they sued, the production team beat them, legally speaking Tesla are known to lie about the range of the cars.

>>17041100
>shitbox tier warranty
>"does not cover things that normally break"

fuck this i'm buying a porsche

>warranty wil replace your whole engine every time it catches on fire
based porsche

>>17040873
Space colonization is one of the reasons I have zero respect for musk.

We have wide open land. We have wide open seas. We have ground to dig into. Those are all places we can put people, hydroponic farms, livestock warehousing, you know, civilization. If we're so desperate for space we can do it tomorrow, we can do it today, using little more than the technology we already have. But noooo, we gotta pour time and money into going to space, so I can be a spess mehreen in the future! Let's go into space and leave the planet totally unused. Because the earth spirits from final fantasy would be mad at us if we hollowed out a mountain to live in, or started putting small villages on glorified comfy oil rigs.

>>17041098
t. assblasted pushcuck
>>17041100
because the Battery pack doesn't degrade.
>>17041096
Nobody tracks a sedan. sperg more. 0-60 remains the only important day to day metric

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>>17040836
kek, 10/10
capped for posterity

>>17041128
>doesn't deny being a nigger

>>17041128
>Nobody tracks a sedan
>0-60 is important

I get it. You're american. For you, a fast car must have no more than two seats, no more than two doors, and a big spoiler. Because that's what they look like in the movies. And endangering yourself and others in informal drag races is perfectly okay while letting a scooter ride up to the front of a stopped line of cars is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

But for us white people, seat and door count doesn't affect performance and we don't go around risking vehicular manslaughter charges because we can actually afford to go to a track. Insult to injury: We can actually afford to build good tracks, so we have actual tracks instead of cheap drag strips and ovals.

>>17041128
>because the Battery pack doesn't degrade.

Yes they are magical batteries that don't obey the laws of physics

>>17041193
TeslaFage are retarded enough they actually believe that.

>>17037613
it's called marketing. there will always be people that buy worse technology just for the fashion statement. but the majority never will, unless the superior tech is outlawed.

>>17041193
of course, it's the famous super battery invented by Elon Musk™. I read about it on reddit and other scientific sources.

>>17036966
A full tank for my mk7 golf is 80usd here in yurop

>>17036966
Hi shill.

>>17034898
Hey I remember you, you're the guy who claimed that teslas have a magic battery chemistry that doesn't degrade proportional to charging current.

>>17034536
>muh efficiency
why not, but keep using my 1984 675kg carburated daihatsu is probably creating less emissions. wait till i swap the engine. just wait.

>>17034551
big oil employee spotted.
better look for a new job.

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>>17034986
>Charging a 70+KWh battery in 15 minutes
Sounds like a great way to kill it in an month's

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>>17035006
>the main enemy is heat when charging batteries not the amount of current
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THIS IS THE KIND OF PERSON WHO POSTS ABOUT TESLAS

>>17035038
>Not knowing that lithium ion takes longer to charge the more you charge it
>>17035053
>No it doesn't harm the battery
How about you go to candlepower forums and enlighten them with your battery knowledge. I'm sure it would go over really well.

>>17036670
You forgot:
>Charging it all the way
>Charging it at high currents
>Repeated low depth of discharge and recharge in certain capacity bands

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>>17036826
>That torque

>>17040663
Drill motors, at least in the RC world.

>>17040917
>Bragging about 30 cubic feet of cargo space

I like watching formula-e, the #fanboost shit is pretty gay but i like the cars and races

>>17034536
I think there's definitely a future for it.

My biggest problem with them is that that they take awhile to charge which can be a problem on long distance trips or even just days in which one may be driving about town all day. Usually taking longer to charge than conventional fueling. Supposedly the guy who invented the Li ion battery is working a new super-battery with some ethnic woman so the tech should presumably get better.

My other big problem with them is the lack of variety. There's only a like three commercially available electric econoboxes that are affordable, 1 expensive sedan, 1 expensive SUV crossover thing. There also the supposed Porsche e-mobile, but with VW's diesel-gate going on, who knows when that will hit the streets?

>>17041747
If it wasn't for the twitter thing, I'd consider watching F-e.

>>17041747
Yeah I look forward to FE every time it comes around. Tail happy cars with relatively crap tires on street circuits is a winning formula regardless of what powers them.

>>17034536
Someone riddle me this:
Teslas have no gearbox between the motor and the wheels, right? So they're always "in 1rst gear", even if their 1rst gear theoretically is only limited by bearing friction and that shit.

How fast could a Tesla become if it got a (sufficiently durable) gearbox?

>>17041840
200-215 ish based on the maximum power output of the P100d and the CdA, the batteries wouldn't last long at that power output.

>>17041863
We need to go deeper then
>reduce weight where possible
>lower C-values
>more downforce
>pray for some nerd to throw out graphene supercapacitors out already

The main problem with Teslas is that they're fucking ugly.

>>17041160
t. pushcuck
>>17041165
0-60 is the only important day to day metric.
>>17041193
not an argument

>>17041691
retard general?
>>17041694
>>17041699
>>17041707
in your opinion

>>17041898
>more downforce = faster
LOL

>>17034536
Imagine F1, Leman, Nascar, or even street racing with electric vehicles.

So quiet, only with the noise of the wind.

>>17034755
Have you ever driven a Model S? or a Model X?

No?
Then shut the fuck up

>>17034889
>Sit for an hour, herp derp
use a fucking super charger

>>17040579
>Daily Mail

>>17034898
current versions do this with a super charger.

>>17036283
it's not an auto, it just doesn't have gears :^)

>>17042798
>0-60 is the only important day to day metric.
It's probably the least important day to day metric.

>not an argument
And we have a looser.

>>17043356
It has one gear, though.

>>17038746
Internal Combustion Engine

>>17039952
>Nothing more than fashion accessories for yuppies

Sure, if you ignore literally all evidence.

>>17041309
>it's called marketing

Where?

>>17043374
0-60 is the only important day to day metric

>>17034536
I'm ok with
> electric DD
> traditional sportscar for the week end

>>17043721
Not an argument.

>>17040678
Clarkson's argument against hybrids and EVs requires a global logistics chain. where materials and parts travel the oceans several times before ending up in a car.

Tesla is making their batteries locally from north american sourced materials. significantly reducing the pollution and energy of battery creation.

recycling old batteries cuts energy and pollution even more.

>>17043759
stay btfo

>>17039952
walking to get groceries sucks unless you do it almost every day and get small amounts.

>>17043254
>ad hominem

>>17041689
>big oil

Try again fagit, I work IT and would prefer my cars with minimal tech. It's a different experience entirely. But have fun in your glorifies cuckbox.

>>17043251
sit for 45 minutes, as if it makes it any less bad

>>17043838
45 minutes with air conditioning and a 17 inch screen with internet

>>17041689
>implying big oil doesn't have its hands on renewables too
kek, being this naive
they're energy companies first oil companies second. They know it's not a matter of if but a matter of when, and they don't want to be behind anyone when it happens.

>>17043632
All evidence of what? Evidence that a tesla owner has a significantly larger carbon frintprint than someone driving a a fleet of used prius or whatever the plural is?

It's a fashion accessory
>look at this six figure car I bought, it's electric and so green!

>>17043842
that doesn't transport me to the place I want to be in. DESU I'd probably get towed.

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>>17043838
>>17043842

King Musk hinted at a way more powerful supercharger in the works. Expect an 80% charge in just a few minutes.

>>17043859
He also said battery swap stations would also be a thing LMAO

>>17043859
he has failed to deliver other promises in the past. Words in the wind.
If I was going to get a Tesla I'd also get a F-150 and a car trailer for when I go on vacation. Tow the car to destination, ride it on destination. When you go back home you tow it again.
You'd have to do the math to see if there are any savings though, since the trip just got more expensive. Diesel trucks get great economy though. Also don't get a Chevy because you'll have to get towed too, kek.

>>17043853
>Electric cars aren't green myth

http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

>>17043883
I love how all that latte ecocucks care about is CO2. True ecologists understand that it's just one variable. Having a cool planet is useless if it's poisoned. Can't wait for the deep ecology ecofascist masterrace to rise to power for once and for all.

>>17043883
Didn't say they aren't green
They aren't as green as reusing and recycling, so drivijg an old geo or a used prius
That is truly green. Not using more resources to build a brand new car when perfectly good vehicles already exist

Stay btfo fashionista yuppie

>>17043909
Or you could go even greener by doing OM617 + SVO

>>17044033
You mean SS+GOMAD?

>>17044041
kek

>>17035017
Maybe if every EV thread wasn't shilling and mastubatory commentary we could have a good thread about them. But you electric cucks can't seem to manage that.

>>17043586
I thought the motors went straight to the wheels

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>>17044744

No. It goes through a gear reduction (which is where the torque comes from) then to a differential. Like a souped up golf cart.

>>17044371
>Is anyone else excited for the advent of electric vehicles? I can't wait to see what amazing technology and performance lies ahead.

Wow, so bad. How dare someone ask if others share his/her excitement.

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>>17034536
I wont own one but I'm gonna be so happy when most of the autistic drivers on the road today are in self driving cars. 80-85% of people driving on the road today are so fucking incompetent and have absolutely no idea what they are doing, not to mention the texting + constant distracted drivers.