[D u h B u h T u h] - /dbt/

bikes are gay

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>>16718605
>drz400

>>16718627
that's a funny way to spell cars

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please buy my grom

>>16718650
I'll give you about tree fiddy

>>16718640
Bikes are cars? That doesn't even make sense anon.

>lowside in corner going around 30mph
>rear brake lever and footpeg destroyed
>front brake bent but use able
>front brake caliper ripped off
>brake fluid everywhere
>Right handlebar bent
>dignity destroyed
What's the chance I get this thing home with no brakes? It's about 8 miles away.

>>16718662
just engine brake desu senpai

>>16718662
Maybe if you walk it. I wouldnt ride over 10 mph with no brakes.

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>>16718441
You can do it in a carpark at low speed actually, just find a nice empty bit of tarmac, set up a cone or a corner and practice it, it'll be very low speed and there's heaps of runoff so there's nothing to worry about if you drop it, but you won't, because that requires trail braking way deeper and harder than you will even be able to think of as a noob to the technique and trailbraking increases your grip, not decreases it.

The other neat thing about practicing it slowly in a car park is that is exaggerates a few thing, the throttle cracking for example will feel much more extreme when you're going slow in 1st gear so you have to really think about being smooth on it (or even smoothing it out with a bit of rear brake) and the extra precision it requires of you to be smooth is gonna help you avoid crashing when you try it faster on track and what not.

>>16718460
kys

>>16718662
You had the presence of mind after a crash to post this on a Taiwanese Crafting Board?

For baby's first bike
R3 > Ninja

>>16718662
>>lowside in corner going around 30mph
>all that damage
Jesus Christ how horrifying

>>16718684
Not like I have any real people to tell. I was pretty bored there.
>>16718678
I couldn't get it started so I'm pushing it in neutral.
>>16718665
That wouldn't be enough I think.

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>>16718605
this the real enlightenment

>>16718686
TU250x > all

TU a best.

>>16718708
Dirt > pavement

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>>16718708
motorcycle on road > car on track tbqhwufam unless it's a really fast car

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>>16718714
lmaooo

>>16718699
Thats what I get for buying yamaha.
Theres a nice hill, im going to sit on it the way down and hope my feet can stop it when I reach the bottom.
>ive mostly been sitting on it anyway.

>>16718682
I thought you were supposed to ease off the front break not just drop it

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>>16718725
what's so funny

>>16718662
Were you practicing trail braking?

>>16718627
agreed

>>16718733
he had likely been easing off it slowly the whole time

that anon is kinda dumb though for thinking they only throttle on at the apex in every corner

why do engines produce different power at different rpms

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>>16718733
your brakes don't have a little bit of deadzone before they bite? they just start working from the first mm?

>>16718753
because they produce different torque at different RPMs, because their intake runners, heads, cams, ignition timing, and exhaust are tuned to be the most efficient at certain RPMs

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Step aside plebeians

>>16718754
uh, yeah? you think a motoGP bike is gonna have a sloppy lever like that?

>>16718763
>adventure bikes
literally the crossovers of motorcycles

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>>16718752
I don't, you underestimate me mr. ramsey.

There are corners you are off the brakes and on the throttle long before the apex, some you will be on them after and some you won't brake for at all.

I'm just trying to enlighten the unwashed masses of totw drones who think you need to be on the throttle before you even turn in for every corner.

>>16718767
yes, that's why every motoGP bike has a remote adjuster for when the brakes turn shit.

and I guarantee your brakes have more of a deadzone than you think.

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>>16718773

>>16718773
That's sport touring

>>16718796
sport touring is just a comfy sportbike, it would be like a GT car

*most* adventure bikes are big ass poser vehicles for people who want to look like they live a rugged lifestyle but actually only ride on paved roads, i mean 90% of them have street tires, what's all that ground clearance for?

>>16718786
>motoGP bike
>lever flopping back half an inch after it's let off completely
nah m8

>>16718786
>I'm just trying to enlighten the unwashed masses of totw drones who think you need to be on the throttle before you even turn in for every corner.
almost nobody actually thinks this, lol wtf? and for the vast majority of people who aren't trail braking and aren't going anywhere near fast enough for it, rolling on at turn in is the best way to take a corner - the whole point is just that you shouldn't be coasting

the dbt thread on wsg is showing up as a 404 for me. Anybody else? I just wanna see epic hooning and i cant. baka

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>>16718813
that's what the brake adjuster is for, braking from 350 km/hr to 90 like for san donato at mugello is gonna cook anyone's brakes, even motoGP guys.

>>16718825
nah trust me they do.

>>16718846
>that's what the brake adjuster is for,
yeah wow exactly my point

>brakes get shit
>it's a fucking motoGP bike, spin the knob

not anon's shitbike where the lever just flops around because the seals in the m/c are 20 years old and the spring doesn't hold the lever anymore and it's bent from being dropped

>>16718858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEzc_Knk6UY

sure looks like a deadzone to me.

Or is the other option, that they're dumping from like 80% braking because their brakes work from the first mm more likely?

Next time actually look at your brake lever when you activate it.

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>>16718605
>tfw too intelligent to not ride a gen 2 Honda Magna V65

>>16718605
Indian GOAT cruiser anon :^)

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Buying CB500F next week lads

>b-but you should have gotten a CBR650 or SV650

Why would I pay $3k+ an extra 15-20mph, fuck that noise.

>>16718725
fat fucking jigsers will never be competitive senpai

>>16718916
>fat

weighs the same as the R1 (199kg wet) and significantly less than the S1000RR and ZX-10R.

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>>16718903
>Why would i pay more for a better bike all around?
See you in 2 weeks, when you'll have enough buyer's remorse to make the Honda general blush

Let alone the fact that you bought such a shit bike brand new, you even financed it, dumb cuck

Looking for a cheap 600 supersport
Every fucking ad
Some variation of
>dropped by previous owner
>gentley laid down on a bed of feathers by my ex
>3 scratches on one side with unique, innocuous sounding excuses
>fairing removed, "planned to turn it into a street fighter

Everyone needs to concoct these bullshit stories, can't admit they crashed it

>>16718975
I don't get it, the previous owner fucking it up doesn't make it any less fucked up, why bother blaming it on them?

>>16718956
The SV650 and CBR650 aren't really better in any way. They just have 150 more cc.

>>16719020
>not better
>just better

>>16718956
Yes I will Finance $1500 over 1 year to build up credit, what a waste of money!

>>16719020
>Aren't really better in any way
-Respectable engines (i4 and v2 versus scootershit)
-considerable aftermarket support both for racing and touring
-not made by starving malaysian orphans
-gobs of torks
-Can be tuned
-bulletproof
-faster
-harder
-stronger
-O
our work is never over

You could at least have gotten the x which has a rally conversion

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>>16719063
>goes full autist over mention of p-twin bikes
alright then anon

Is it possible to get custom gearbox ratios fitted? I'd like to increase the rear sprocket but make 6th taller for the freeway

>>16719113
yeah but it's more than you can afford, pal.

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>>16719080
Oooooh
You posted a 250
How shall i ever recover

>>16719080
That's a disgrace to the name cbr250rr

>>16719145
>poorfag and literal retard thinks he is qualified to pass judgment when he can't even afford to buy running bikes

cute

it's the best ~quarter liter bike on the market right now

my fucking battery died :(

the fresh battery won't arrive until saturday and it's been so beautiful and sunny lately this waiting is getting in my way!

>>16718903
The better question is, why would you pay $5k for a 500cc? You realize you can get a lightly used older 600cc sportbike for that much?

>>16719217
>lightly used older 600cc sportbike
Yeah, let me just buy some piece of shit that some squid has done a zillion wheelies on and probably performed some questionable modifications somewhere in there as well, not to mention the unknown mainenance history

>>16719145
It's the fastest and most aggressive quarter liter bike made in 20 years. By a wide margin at that.

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>getting better at riding wheelies
>dreamed about ripping dank nooners last two nights
feels good man

>>16719224
That is indeed true, but you're still fucking up for financing a 500cc bike. That bike has literally no redeeming qualities other than it's relatively cheap, and it's new. Take the fucking hit and buy a decent motorcycle like everyone is telling you. It's a dumb fucking idea, I rode a 650 for a few months before saying fuck it, selling it, and buying a 600 and I never looked back

>>16719241
too bad, still just a distant dream...

>>16719080
Is it the twin 250rr they brought back from the 90's? I really want one to rev the shit out of.

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>>16719190
>>16719227
>Quarter liter
Off thyself

It's a poo in loo bike, not even the best one at that since the Duke shits all over it

Fuck, 90' s hondas shit all over it

>>16718903
>buying a boring commuter bike new
By all means get a CB500, but why the fuck would you buy a cookie cutter A to B shitbox brand new?

>>16719260
>TWIN 250rr
Man you really should consider bleach injections

>>16719254
I'm not even that guy. A CB500f is a perfectly fine bike. Everyone acting like an SV650 is going to be SOOOO much better just because it's got a little bit bigger of an engine and the cylinders are pointed in a V is a retard.

>>16719260
It's not an I4 anymore, it's shit.

>>16719279
Just mad it revs as high as a liter peter.

>>16719268
The duke is not better than the CBR lol. Ask any of the kids who race the KTM's in motoamerica, they are NOT good bikes.

i still don't know how to wheelie :/

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What the fuck is going on? normally when a new rider comes in asking about a 300, everyone says "get a 500/650" but now everyones going full autism over him wanting a 500

i don't get it, seems like a fun bike to fuck around on

>>16719298
Maybe because it's a 4 banner, you swine
Considering it breaches 20k and the only litres than can think about that kind of are Italians and racebikes it really should be obvious
>>16719302
Says the guy unironically financing a 500r

>>16719316
not to mention probably faster than most of /dbt/s shitbikes

>>16719316
One cuck said something stupid. The rest of us are telling him not to buy something new which is the standard response.

>>16719227
>less HP and Torque than the 26 year old MC22
>also heavier
Fucking trash, probably won't even outperform an R3 or RC390.

>>16719292
yOUR FUCKING WITH ME THEY CHANGED THAT WTF.
>>16719323
Still sounds liek your mad.

>>16719190
That's like saying chlamydia is the best of the STDs, it might be the best, but none of them are good.

Besides, it's less powerful by like 15 horsepower than the previous gen models and is made by a bunch of poo in loos

>>16718725

Still less power than a 5 year old BMW.

>>16718763
Only truth

>>16719326
My third gear is fadter than what that shit tops out

>>16719323
i am "unironically" not that guy. sorry for bursting your bubble when you try to talk about bikes you have zero experience with.

The duke/rc390 are cheaply made bikes and it shows if you've rode or worked on one

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Please rate my oil between 1 and HOLY SHIT ENGINE IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE in terms of time for an oil change. Unknown mileage since last oil change.

>just change it
I know but monies. If it's okay for now I'd rather wait till I can afford it.

>>16719289
not him but I've ridden a CBR500R and it was probably one of my least favourite bikes I've ridden.

It feels heavy, it has ludicrously low amounts of cornering clearance with the stock footpegs (rearsets a must), it's not all that quick and the engine feels anemic up top.

Honestly the SV650 is that much nicer in basically every way I couldn't even begin to list them.

But what would I know? I've only ridden both.

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>>16719362
oh yes let me just perform a detailed oil analysis by looking at a fucking picture of oil blots on a paper towel

>>16719331
It shits on the R25 hard, if they make an international market version it will be faster than the RC390 without being a piece of crap.

>>16719340
It's down one horsepower on the final version of the MC22 and a little more on the older models.

>>16719340
>That's like saying chlamydia is the best of the STDs, it might be the best, but none of them are good.
YOU CAN'T EVEN AFFORD A BIKE THAT RUNS PLEASE KILL YOURSELF

>>16719362
Weight?
Synthetic?
Looks good enough
Check for metal bits

>>16719376
You mean the r3?
Which has exactly the same specs, except 70cc more?
The MC 22 is a more capable bike. Full stop
It's lighter, can be tuned and has 2 more cylinders, end of discussion

>>16718605
Must be a chart showing the measurement of rampant faggotry For the repsective riders...

>>16719396
>You mean the r3?
no he means the R25 you fucking retard, the international version of the R3 that is 250cc's, and gets completely blown the fuck out by a CBR250RR

>It's lighter, can be tuned and has 2 more cylinders
it's also 30+ years old and good luck finding parts for it

>>16718898
That's a gen one.

>>16719362
Looks brand new. My oil is always darker than that when I change it.

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>>16719396
>You mean the r3?
No I mean the R25 you fucking retard.

>>16719387
>Implying
My bike runs now nyukka, git gud. I'm rebuilding the clutch master cylinder tonight as well, finally got the circlip out.

>>16719376
Just looked that up, didn't know that. Somehow makes more torque than the new one though, and is glorious Nippon steel folded 1000 times verse an economy bike made by pajeet

>>16719396

Not the other guys but that Poo in the Loo 250RR is just for the markets where taxes based on displacement are critical for price; the same places that sell the R25 and FI Ninja 250.

There may be plans to bring the 250RR to Freedumb Land but Honda will likely bore out the engine like Yamaha did with the R25.

>>16719424
yes let us know when you can actually ride that piece of shit and then immediately crash it into a tree

>>16719372
>implying you can't get a decent read on quailty/life of oil based on it's color.

go fuck yourself nowrench

>>16719362
Generally apple sauce flavored it's still good to go. Once it starts turning coffee or darker to black you definitely need to change it. By the time it's reaching the point of viscosity breakdown it will also be darker.

Yours looks like it's in pretty good shape, not absolutely critical to change. But I would plan on changing it when funds allow anyway. Then setting up a reasonable mileage schedule based on the type of riding you do and stress you impart on the engine and thus oil.

What's more critical is that you have enough oil in it, make sure the level is good regularly. The best condition oil in the world wont matter if you run a journal bearing dry.

tl;dr looks fine. change it when you have the funds and make sure it's topped up at all times.

>>16719372
t.never worked on anything mechanical in his life

>>16719425
Yamaha sells both the R25 and R3 in Japan, by the way. The R3 is effectively a direct competitor for the CBR400R (downstroked CBR500R) in that market.

>>16719396
>Weight?
10w40 I'm pretty sure it's basic yamalube dino oil.
No metal that I can see but I haven't touched the drain plug.

>>16719431
>>16719439
>retards actually believe this

Oil turns to a very dark color almost immediately because the detergents in it are keeping the bullshit from sticking to the inside of your engine. That is one of its main purposes. If your oil isn't dark brown, it's been changed pretty recently.

Transmission fluid in a car you can easily tell because it should be red. motor oil will always get dark very quickly.

>>16719430
I'll pass, although I'd love to ride a 600cc super sport or gsxr750 at some point. I want to see what that's like

>>16719396
>>16719425
>>16719447
>seriously buying a 500cc or smaller bike that isn't a Dual sport, dirtbike, or supermoto

seriously guys...

>>16719460
some people like going on the highway without feeling like a human parachute on a screaming 9000 rpm single cylinder

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>>16719411
>>16719417
Wow, a Turkish bike
Is this how low you have to step to justify adding an r to an old model and reselling it at a premium?

>>16719448
Is fine
Metal would mean catastrophic engine failure
Try sticking to the recommended schedule
Synthetic oil will last longer

>>16719450
You're a moron.

Motor oil will brown quickly to an apple sauce/cinnemon apple sauce type flavor relatively quickly but it wont turn coffee brown or darker until it's burned/contaminated/generally fucked and old.

Thus gauging lighter brown color as good and a dark brown as need to change is perfectly reasonable.

>>16719475
>adding an r to an old model

hahaha you complete dunce, the old model wasn't even a p-twin, it was a single. thanks for showing us again that you are totally clueless. You should trip up like kit kat so we can make fun of you whenever you post.

>>16719471
>some people like going on the highway without feeling like a human parachute on a screaming 9000 rpm single cylinder

Then buy a decent multi cylinder bike that makes some power and isn't a pointless sub-500cc shitbike...

>>16719479
Nope, wrong. Some additives in motor oil cause it to turn black extremely quickly. Just because it's black doesn't mean shit.

>>16719496
>Nope, wrong. Some additives in motor oil cause it to turn black extremely quickly. Just because it's black doesn't mean shit.
If your oil is black it's fucked.

You're an idiot.

>>16719487
well the CB500f is multi-cylinder and makes about 15-20 more hp than your average dual sport

>>16719506
>Multi cylinder
It has two and in the wrong place

>>16719504
>If your oil is black it's fucked.
WRONG.jpg

http://parts.olathetoyota.com/blog/4411/engine-oil-discoloration-guide-what-different-oil-colors-represent
>First, color doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Oil can be very, very dark (black even) and still be effective.
>As engine oil gets darker, it can indicate a) high heat, b) contaminants, or c) the presence of additives that cause the oil to darken during normal use.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-care/top-7-urban-legends-about-motor-oil.html
>4. Check the oil on the dipstick. If it's black, change the oil. Experts say this is a myth, as is the related notion that you can identify spent oil by smell. "That is old school," says Kristen Huff, vice president of Blackstone Laboratories in Fort Wayne, Indiana. "Oil is meant to get dark — it means it's doing its job," she says. As GM's Matt Snider says in this video, different additives change the oil's color. The bottom line: Black oil still has plenty of life left in it.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=21678
>The darkening results from suspended particulates too fine to be trapped by the filter. This is a good thing because it's graphic evidence that shows the detergent/dispersant package is doing its job. Particulates this small are also thought to be too fine to cause bearing wear since they bounce off the bearing surfaces in the oil film instead of grinding away at them. This is crud that would otherwise be happily forming sludge and varnish deposits, and, yes, soot is definitely one of the components.

>>16719514
Sorry it doesn't fit your autistic definition of the "right" engine configuration

>>16719519
>googling shit and posting the first uncited links you find
>some dealership blog
>fucking edmunds lel
>herpderpbodbtheoilguy.com

fucking lel. You're an idiot

>>16719519
>oil breaks off shit and turns oil black with contamination

Seems like a perfectly reasonable indicator that oil needs to be changed to me.

>>16719531
Feel free to google it yourself and read any of the LITERALLY THOUSANDS of sources agreeing with me, or continue to argue with what is considered common knowledge in the auto industry by anyone who's not a total retard shitposting on 4chan

>post old wives tale
>defend it as fact to the point of rage
>get btfo with facts and evidence
>"y-you're an idiot!"

And this, kids, is why you take everything you read on /dbt/ with a grain of salt, and never use it as your primary source of information.

>>16719362
You can't afford $15 to change your oil? How can you afford to ride at all? What are you going to do when something else needs fixing? Can you afford to crash?

Practice better preventative maintenance, friend.

>actually taking people seriously during aussie hour
Smells like summer already

Except the 500 guy
It's a stupid purchase, reconsider

>>16719546
>Feel free to google it yourself
>everything I read on the internet is true!
Sorry kiddo. I don't get mechanical and engineering information for fucking googling shit.

fucking lel.

>>16719546
>uncited google search results
>facts

Bro...

>>16719544
Here, do an experiment for us. it'll only cost you $25. These are the people whose VP is quoted in one of the articles I posted above.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

Change your oil. As soon as it turns black, change it again and send them a sample (they will send you the kit first, for free, only have to pay once you send the sample). See what they tell you.

There are teams of engineers who've forgotten more about oil than you will ever know who work on this shit full time. Don't you think they've got it down to a more exact science than "well it looks dirty, i better change it?"

>>16719560
Appeal to authority fallacy: The post.

>>16719555
Uncited sources? I literally posted the links right there, and they are quotes from a primary source you mongoloid. Feel free to copy and paste them into your browser and be enlightened.

>>16719551
>i dunt trust no scientist! they pissin me off!
>fuckin motor oil, how does that work?
okay cletus

>>16719564
whatever, change your oil before you need to, it's not my money

>>16719569
>>16719555
also FYI you technically don't have to cite a source for a statistic or fact if it's considered common knowledge and easily found in 5 or more places... which it is to everyone except retards on /o/ apparently

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Worth it?

>>16719569
Posting links that you found on google does not mean you have posted cited sources. Learn what a credible and citable source is and try again.

>scientist
>actually a for-profit company that does oil analysis of unknown quality and validity and unknown motivations
>HURR DEY SCIENCETISTS SU YOOR RONG

you're a moron.

>>16719560
You really are autistic, aren't you?
>Is my oil bad
>No, looks barely used
Does this exchange bother you so much?
Also, fyi unless you have a duc or an Aprilia you are running a wet clutch, meaning that in your oil there are precisely none of the additives you'd find in a car's

>>16719585
Do you think you can rebuild the carbs and whatnot? I wouldn't buy it for more then 500 though.

>>16719583
>also FYI you technically don't have to cite a source for a statistic or fact if it's considered common knowledge and easily found in 5 or more places.
spotted the guy that never went to college.

>>16719583
Appeal to popularity fallacy: The post.

>>16719594
No, this would be my first bike.
I know alot of people that could give me a hand though.

>>16719595
Actually, I learned that in one of my freshman year English classes. You probably would have too, if you were paying attention.

>>16719599
>proven wrong and desperately trying to cover it up as a troll: the post

>>16719593
>wet clutch, meaning that in your oil there are precisely none of the additives you'd find in a car's
Wow could you be any more wrong? The friction modifiers will be different. A lot of the other stuff will be the same, depending on what kind of car oil you're comparing it to. Some oils are used in wet clutch bikes and cars.

>>16719606
>English classes
Can i have the big mac, but without pickles?

>>16719601
Stata away
Buy something that runs, preferrably with EFI

>>16719631
>what are gen ed requirements
LOL never went to college confirmed

>>16719624
No, mr english major, because a bike's clutch shared oil with the sump and tranny

>>16719585
Pretty much everything rubber will probably have to be replaced. The brake systems on both wheels will have to be rebuilt. The carbs will have to be removed and rebuilt, and while you're at it you should clean and line the tank. Probably could do all that for another $850.

>>16719601
As someone who has a bad habit of buying old bikes that don't run when I get them, I highly don't recommend it. Try to find something that runs though.

>>16719634
>American is bamboozled by internationality
I skipped that gay shit by having aced a Cambridge cert years prior

>>16719639
wow, it's like talking to a brick wall, if a brick wall could be mentally retarded

>apparently taking GE english classes makes you an english major, and people with literally zero education above a high school level know more than petrochemical engineers

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>>16719417
Would dick

actual cb500f/sv650 anon here
fuck I'm just so indecisive
if I wait a few more months I can get the sv650

the reason why I'm so particular about this cb500f is because the dealership has a 2015 model marked down $1k, and I'm sure I could get them to go lower

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all of you have shit epistemology

later fags

>>16719601
>>16719594
Would I have to actually rebuild them?
To be completely honest I think this person may be a relative of mine, my father had bought an '81 850 special for my brother who had a difficult time learning and had no place to store it from the rain so he couldn't keep it. I might be able to get it for much cheaper, the bike was sold to my dad for around $450 so I imagine I'd get the same deal.

>>16719661
so what are the actual prices of each

>>16719606
>Actually, I learned that in one of my freshman year English classes.
They taught you to appeal to popularity in your citations? fucking lol. What kind of shit theology tier college did you go to?

>>proven wrong and desperately trying to cover it up as a troll: the post
Literally said "If enough people say something, it's factual!"

hilarious.

>>16719606
>>16719631
>>16719634
>Didn't get English requirements out of the way in highschool.

I'll take fries with that order sir.

>>16719669
This is pretty shit tier b8 m8, you already got BTFO in like 9 different ways, now it's just getting sad

>>16719666
CB500f - $5499
SV650 - $7999 (not even including tag and title)

the thing about the SV650 is that's almost 10 grand. That's a fuck load of money. Especially for a 19 year old. I could move out and start a life for that much.

>>16719681
wait the SV650 is used? or you just mean the design is 19 years old

>>16719661
Because nobody wants them
What is stopping you from getting an SV right now
Why would you buy a starter bike new, especially since the previous gen SV was considerably better

>>16719669
Out it this way, since we are collectively disagreeing with him by his own reasoning it must mean he's wrong

>>16719675
>>>>>>>High school

>>16719681
Nigger, buy used
The al7 is a gladius

>>16719665
You have to take it apart, down well the passages and Jets and everything, then put it back together and tune them again.

But the gas tank could be rusty after sitting this long, petcock could be plugged up, piston rings could be rusted up. Or you could put new gas in it, a new battery, and fire it up. I doubt the latter though.

As someone who's gone down this path, looking at a bike that doesn't work is not fun, but getting it back to life is that much sweeter.

>>16719679
>literally thinks google search engine results are valid citations
>literally thinks if 5 people say something is true, it's a fact
>literally went to a theology teir college that taught appeal to poplarity as valid alternative to actual citations.

The only thing that is sad here is you m8.

>>16718605

What the fuck is the difference between a Standard and a True Standard?

Is this a No True Scotsman thing?

>>16719699
>if i post the same thing again with meme arrows, maybe he'll bite
you're gonna have to lurk for a few more years before you can troll with the big kids

>>16719681
post your second hand market

>>16719688
No, I'm 19 and $9000 is a lot for me.

>>16719720
No wonder you were getting analed on the interest rate for that loan. Buy a used bike, get a low limit high Apr credit card and build a credit history, then buy a nice bike.

>>16719712
>pretends to be an oldfag
>pretends to be a master troll
>still thinks finding 5 similar google search results make something a fact.

fucking lel.

>>16719701
Yes. Standard is a standard.
A true standard is a bike they don't like for personal reasons.

>>16719720
if you're 19 then don't spend all your money on a bike wtf are you thinking

buy a used 10 year old SV650 it is the same exact bike

>>16719734
>STILL trying with the same tired old bait that didn't even work the first time
desperation is a stinky cologne

so have you guys settled on 'the perfect bike' yet? something that can handle highways/stop-n-go/mountain roads/etc and is reasonably affordable?

>>16719718
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/search/mca

>>16719736
There are none.

>>16719742
>calling it "tired", "old", and "bait" to try and run away from the very fresh and relevant topic that you have literally no idea what the simple concept of a "fact" is.

top fucking kek m8

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>>16719749
gsx-s1000

>>16719749
Used vfr or fz1 or any sport tourer.

>>16719755
i can say anything without even reading your posts and you'll reply with more stupid shit in greentext, won't you

>>16719749

Naw my dude, that's like trying to find the perfect girl, you can't get a girl that's smart, beautiful, and not-crazy, at best you can get two outta three

>>16719753
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/6017085998.html

took me two seconds, enjoy.

>>16719753
make a trip somewhere to buy one

it wont' cost $4000

>>16719760
>sobbing on his keyboard because the big mean internet bully keeps calling him out on his retarded claims and lack of education.

tippy top lols

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>>16719749
Yes

Your bike
Something you can confidently push to the limit, not necessarily because of its inherent qualities, but rather because of the trust you have built up in time

>>16719749
GS500

>>16719766
>ninja
nigga I'm trying to find a standard

>>16719753
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/5988425748.html

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/6014860394.html


are you just incapable of searching things or what

>>16719778
A faired standard is still a standard.

Literally the same bike as a er6n but with a fairing.

They also make faired SV650's.

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too funny

>>16719749
FZ6 or FJ09 is a great all-rounder, but ive got a few bikes that each do their own thing so i dont really need a do-everything bike

>>16719753
Wow that was hard

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/6014700165.html
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/5988425748.html
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/6017085998.html

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>>16719778
How are you still getting hung up in this basic shit
Just remove the fairing
It's literally the same bike as pic related, has the same bars, pegs and seat

>>16719790
>literally so butthurt he took a screenshot of my response
>still has no idea what a "fact" is and is trying to avoid the conversation entirely because he was btfo.

>>16719806
>still replying
im gonna go make some food, when i come back i better have some (You)s waiting

>>16719757
Those come with the K5 GSXR motor right?

Are they detuned or is it just as beast as the K5 was?

>>16718699
>Yamaha
It was an R3 wasn't it?

>>16719809
>>still replying
>in a reply
to my post

>2017
>being this butthurt about being wrong

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>>16719811
less top end due to no TI valves and such but it makes plenty of power.

Like all bikes from the 21st century though a pipe and a tune is what you really want to get the most out of it, it's a bit leaned out in the mid.

>>16719759

fz1 or fz6 for a starter?

>>16719824
None?

>>16719824
Not really either. Some would say fz6 but it makes a lot of power and doesn't weigh too much. Think of it as a more comfortable, not as sexy, not fast r6

>>16719822
That's a little disappointing. Would have been awesome if they would have left the 175 or so hp monster intact and just resold it as a modern muscle naked.

Looks like it's only about 10whp down up top though so not super disappointing, levels off at around 140hp. I bet the cams are different.

Those K5's were somethign else. I ride my buddies from time t time and get surprised how strong they are from the dig and their gearing is on point. No hope of keeping up on my R6 and even riding my brothers blackbird it seemingly takes off from idle.

I don't think I would buy the GSXS but I probably would like to buy a K5/K6 GSXR one day.

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>>16719720
Buy used pal, I'm new to riding this year and picked up this 2005 mint SV650S for 2600. I love it already, although I only rode it twice so far, but its still paid off and Im only 20. Dont do this to yourself financially.

>>16719833

ah gotcha. yeah that would be too much bike. thanks for the realistic response.

now when you guys talk about starter bikes and you give out a bunch of recommendations. besides something inexpensive, what are the differences between something like an R6 and something like a 250? Of course power is one thing, but is the throttle really that dangerous? Is the handling also suspect?

>>16719824
You're likley to find an equivelent year R1 or R6 for about the same money.

clip on risers and a more comfortable seat and you end up with a faster bike with better suspension that is just as comfortable and looks better in either case.

>>16719854
There's a pretty decent explanation in the sticky tbqh my dude. I think it was really well written

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>>16719845
well the new one is a monster so the spirit of the k5 lives.

(that's R1 and zx-10r below it)

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>>16719749
Just take whatever bike you've got/can afford and rip on that fucker.
Listen to >>16719773

Any bike with enough power for highway speeds can handle what you listed, the rest is on you. Just don't buy a cruiser.

>>16719867
If it makes a legit 10whp peak more than the R1 and carries that large of an advantage through the rev range I really am impressed.

I haven't seen any magazine comparos with it yet so I'll reserve judgement until I see something a little bit more locked down. But that dyno if true looks very impressive.

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>>16719897

>>16719749 first of all, everyone is going to say something different, tastes in bikes is alot like opinions, everyone has one.
cbr929rr (IF YOUR CAN HANDLE A LITER BIKE)
get a corbin seat. man i love this bike. it has it all,

>>16719867
>over 11whp peak advantage
>doesn't give up anything in the mid/low revs, actually signficantly better throughout
>6 more lb-ft than the other bikes.

That dyno looks fishy.

>>16719907
Might just be gear ratios...

>>16719904
CBR954rr is a babby literbike compared to whats out now.

It's more inline with a GSXR750 in terms of performance. Sweet bikes to be sure, light and compact, but it's no monster like a modern liter peter.

>>16719915
horsepower is normalized to revs. There should be no real difference based on gearing other than smoothness and internal friction losses (the delta wouldn't be significant one bike to the next unless suzuki's running fully tefloned gearboxes or some other witchcraft)

>>16719907
>doesn't give up anything in the mid/low revs

well that's probably the idea behind putting VVT on it, I'd be surprised if it gave anything up in the mid range to the zx-10r and R1, the two weakest superbikes in the mid and low range.

I think the dyno is fishy too but it won't give up mid or low to either of those there.

>>16719928
The way dynos work (Black magic and voodoo) means that a lower gear ratio can result in lower power
Also consider those revolutions are still measured at the rear wheel, then multiplied 'n shizzle

>>16719907
They are using VVT now, first manufacturer to use it on a literbike. So they're naturally going to have a much wider power spread than other bikes.

This means they can also run a more aggressive cam without lowing midrange.

>>16719881
Cruisers are nice m8 ;*

>>16719867
>>16719897
>>16719907
>>16719915
>>16719928
>>16719943
>>16719946
>>16719947
Are those bikes even on sale yet? I haven't seen one in the wild or at either major dealershit (Chaparral and Burt's Megamall) near me.

Seems like they are hyped up vaporware.

>>16719917
well if you want to spend 7+ thousand dollars on a bike then yeah, but i assume since he's asking he's a newer rider that doesn't necessarily want to buy new

>>16719867
>nearly 200whp

Oh look, Suzuki finally made something relevant and interesting again.

>>16719976
>Euros battling in the 250 neighbourhood
>Kawa pushing 300 via forced induction
>Other japscrap struggles to keep up
At this point the only one with a chance is the gixxer
And only because it rides beautifully

>>16719963
>first revealed and been talked about since 2015
>fantastical claims of power and performance
>literally no objective testing in sight
>still cant buy

Yep, vaporware.

>>16719816
reply

>>16719993
>>Euros battling in the 250 neighbourhood
On what planet? Duc and BMW are barely breaking 200hp.

>>Kawa pushing 300 via forced induction
unobtanium, not street legal, limited edition tech demo bike does not count.

>>Other japscrap struggles to keep up
Japanese almost always put out more sorted and more reliable street bikes, even if they're a bit slower on paper.

>And only because it rides beautifully
source?

>>16720006
>On what planet? Duc and BMW are barely breaking 200hp.
Probably the same retard from earlier who thinks you need an oil change every 200 miles because your oil turned black

>>16720012
>still this butthurt about being wrong hours later
>quoting me and trying to talk shit in the same post.
>straw manning the fuck out of what was said.

Tell me again how 5 people saying something on the internet makes a fact.

fucking lel.

>>16720019
replying again

>>16720023
>butthurt again

i kno

>>16720033
r e p l y

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>>16719749
>highway
check
>stop n go
check
>mountain roads
check
>etc
check
>reasonably affordable
4 me

>>16720038
b u t t h u r t

>>16720039
>gearbox self destructs itself
check

>>16720041
reply again

>>16720042
wait wut

>>16720042
So many things to criticize and you pick one that is fake?

>Been about a month since I split from ex
>sick
>going to a party tonight
>not drinking because sick
>no transport except for bike

So am taking my bike, but scared people will think they have permission to sit on it and knock it over etc, what do?

>>16720057
Don't leave it out of your sight. Hang out on the front porch and talk to people if you must.

>>16718725
ZX10R supposedly gains some BHP on the track due to RAM air shenanigans.

>>16720057
It's not a problem I ever had. I used to have mad house parties full of actual degenerates and no one ever touched my bike.

>>16720068
Party is on the beach, parking is up the cliff, so maybe it won't even be an issue.
>>16720072
Hopefully there won't be any degenerates desu.

>>16720079
Bring an extra helmet so you can take some sloot home with you.

>>16720098
Ran out of rubbers, can't be bothered getting anymore.

>>16720045
>butthurt again
l kno

>>16720069
All bikes have ram air

>>16720057
>have parties at my house, in my garage around my bikes
>taken my bikes to parties all the time

Neverhad a problem, usualy have some fags that dont know shit about bikes come over and try to talk to you about them or about how they 'used to ride'.

Tell them to fuck off and find a drunk chick to stick your peter in.

>>16720102
>rubbers

Are you a homo or a sailor?

>>16720123
This.

Kawasaki is the only one that tries to factor it into their advertised power.

They've been doing that shit since the early-mid 2000's.

>>16720102
Too bad, she'll just have to suck your dick then.

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>>16720148
wanna buy a set of trail wings for your dRZ

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>>16720148
special price one blow yob

Hello /o/, is moto guzzi and triumph a good bike to buy?

I'm trying to get a thruxton for $5k, but the moto guzzis new are $6k (MSRP). Also, is it full retard to pay near MSRP at a dealership? Any buying tips for buying a brand new bike at a dealership?

>>16720181
inb4 poorfags tell you not to

>>16720173
>>16720159
My MT21/D606 are still good.
I'll still gib blow yob tho ;)

>>16720181
First bike? If so do not buy new.
Both brands are alright. Guzzi will probably have expensive parts that might not be readily available.
I paid over MSRP for my bike but that's a bad example because there was a waiting list for them, so I also do not have tips.

>>16720206
yeah first bike. CA has a fucked up market I think, everything is either retardedly expensive, or people just aren't selling. /o/ saved me on a previous craigslist bike that had covered up a front-end collision.

I really like the look of the Guzzi VII, the Yamaha 400, and the Thruxton, the subtle cafe racer stuff. MSRP has the former two at $5k. The other stuff available in my area is $3k+ for ninja250's with 30k miles.

Local bike places near me have MSRP prices listed on their website, but a "call for quote" button. Its clear they want me on the showroom for obvious reasons. One local place has "setup and delivery" fees for a bit over $1000. Seems like someone said laugh at that until they take it off the invoice. I just dunno, man.

>>16720224
buy from craigslist

something as new and as un-fucked-with as possible

>>16720224
I live in CA, craigslist here is a fucking godsend compared to the east coast. Prices are a little higher but there's so much selection. Considering someone in SF was asking to buy a Ninja 250 here on /dbt/ a few days ago and found three people selling them, in SF, for under a grand, posting in the thread, I think you're full of shit and need to go back to craigslist.

>>16720253
Help me out then, friendo

https://ventura.craigslist.org/search/mcy

Don't know anything about bikes but I'm getting the 1998/1999 ZX6R that my dad abandoned. All stock parts and nothing seems wrong with it but going to have a mechanic look at it. Keep it as a first bike or sell it?

Is there any streams up over this weekend for the WSBK?

>>16720294
If you intend to ride, yes keep it. Spend the money you would have spent on a bike on training days instead

>>16720288
https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/6012575137.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5998344027.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5984173228.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5968524346.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5918904395.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5962248904.html

https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5945594531.html

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Are m/o/peds cool?

>>16720320
my friend had one that had some nitrous kit on it that was pretty cool but it blew up after he used it like twice

>>16720316
>https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/5998344027.html
Well I like this one, but they're asking $4500. A quick cycle trader shows they're selling for $3000-3500 with half the mileage.

That and its a 30 minute drive north of me.

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Has there ever been a single time somebody on /dbt/ has said there's no good second hand bikes near them and that's been true?

This must have happened at least 100 times on /dbt/ so far, we find them like perfect ones immediately.

>>16720340
>A quick cycle trader shows they're selling for $3000-3500 with half the mileage.
So buy one then?

And 30 minutes? thats nothin, ive driven hours each way to buy bikes

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>>16718605

What's the difference between a standard and a "true" standard? Is a "classic" standard just an old standard?

>>16720006
>On what planet? Duc and BMW are barely breaking 200hp.
he's probably thinking of the aprilia homo(logation) special, which is pretty much
>unobtanium, not street legal, limited edition tech demo bike does not count.

https://norfolk.craigslist.org/mcy/6016886901.html

Hmmmmm

>>16720343
why do racing organizations require you to put race fairings on your bike?

>>16720343
>>16720396
shit that was supposed to be a standalone post my bad

>>16720346
I don't have a truck/trailer to bring it back with me. It'll cost me money just to get there. I've done the driving shit for guns, and its just dumb. People flake out, try to change the price when you get there, its just not worth it to me.

Cycle trader shows those prices in other parts of the country, which bolsters my point of CA having fucked up pricing.

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>>16720396
>>16720406

It's ok, I can answer.

Because the bottom of racing fairings are designed to prevent oil spills, that's why they enclose the entire bottom of the bike, that's also why racing bikes are not allowed to run coolant they run distilled water only.

Safety and preventing dangerous spills.

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>tfw clutch master cylinder rebuilt
Noice.

>>16720395
Seems legit

>>16720412
oh also no headlights / sharp OEM fairings for punctures and what not

>>16720396
for two reasons, you need to have a belly pan capable of carrying the engine's oil capacity, and you have to remove all the lights/mirrors etc. and it's easiest to do all that with track fairings, which are also easier to disassemble quickly to work on the bike

>>16720410
Sounds like cycle trader is full of shit. I have never had a problem like that buying a bike on craigslist either, and I've bought at least a dozen. That's a very reasonable price for what looks like a great condition monster 620, which is a great starter bike and sounds like exactly what you're looking for.

You can keep complaining to us about how there's nothing in your area without even trying, or you can actually go look at the bike and see for yourself.

Uhaul trailers are like $15 for the day if you or someone you know has a trailer hitch on their car, or borrow a truck

>>16720444
I like this one
https://ventura.craigslist.org/mcy/6010936667.html

>>16720444
of course its a fucking dealer though*

fees will be less since it's used and not new, at least.

still gonna be cheaper than a new guzzi or triumph, i wouldnt buy new anyway though

>>16720455
Perfect, go for it

>>16720424
>>16720412
>>16720423

ohhhhh

thanks lads

Kinda want...for in town hood rat shit
https://norfolk.craigslist.org/mcy/6013906727.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtuE2zcnxGw

where the fuck is he in this video in the beginning, right after the intro?

fuck i wish i lived right next to that, its somewhere near LA i think

>>16720497
>for in town hood rat shit
y no dirty bike tho

(with slicks and/or front disc as necessary)

>>16720504
I'd honestly wanna put knobbies on it for lulz

>>16720444
Why would you rent a trailer if you have a truck

>>16720512
>trailer hitch on car
>or
>borrow a truck

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>>16720512
This. Shit was not nearly as difficult as I thought it would be

>>16720580
Is that a rebel 250?

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>>16720607
No

>>16720580
This is going to sound dumb, but instead of buying aluminum ramps, could you just use a 2x10 from home depot?

>>16720621
Sure. It just has to be strong enough.

That being said, if you have a home depot to buy wood from just go to the rental department and you can just rent to aluminum ramps for like 15 bucks like I did.

I have 0 need to own ramps.

>>16720630
>Rent to
Rent two*

>>16720621
yeah, in fact they sell kits that are just a couple bolts and pieces of metal that you bolt into the end of a 2x10 that turn it into a ramp at some hardware stores and probably home depot

>>16720621
That's all I used for years.

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tfw still haven't been killed by stacey reading texts from chad in her crossover

>>16720671
If stacy nearly ran me over id follow the cunt home and smash her phone.

>>16720580
The way you have that tied down makes me feel uncomfortable.

>>16720621
Yeah but it's harder and is a cunt if it's wet out.

>>16720681
This, forks should be compressed hard.

>>16720681
why's that? not pictured is the bed tie downs on the side of the bed and the supporting ratchet through the back wheel. it was stable as fuck

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>>16720199
Baird man, those Trail Wings are amazing. I bear a 2016 CRF250L up a muddy hill with my bald ones.

>>16720690
forks where pretty compressed my dudes, keep in mind this is an 80's honda cruiser with a gorilion inches of suspension travel and fork length.

>>16720695
are those guys on street tires? lol

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>>16720695
also i am fucking dying to rip through some mud like that this weekend, been waiting for weeks

>>16720343
I was looking for an XR650R near Chicago and I think we only found one within 300 miles, but it's not surprising there aren't many short production desert racers around here.

>>16720720
try also looking for later model xr600r or nx650

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>>16720695
Define amazing though,
I just find that kinda hard to believe unless your definition of amazing is completely different to mine, i mean i have a set of Bridgestone ed12's on one of my bikes and they are just shit and i am at least 99% sure Trail wings would be like riding on slicks in comparison to them.

>>16720712
>>16720695
any bike will make it up that hill if you carry it like that kek
Is someone seriously going to check my reg if I come out? like 100%?

hi dbt how are you guys doing?

>>16720745
yes, they check your green sticker/plate at the gate

>>16720741
there is a reason they're usually called "death wings"

they look a lot like the shinko 705s i used to have on my DRZ, which weren't as shit as you might expect, but still far from 'amazing'

>>16718605
What's then best security is I could get for my bike

>>16720782
A gun.

>>16720782
Insurance is the only fail safe but an alarmed disc lock would be good if you're paranoid

>>16720764
doesnt that nickname come from them coming on all the motards and being an 80/20 tyre means they arent really good at anything at all?

i guess it kinda does seem well deserved when i put it like that.

How does /dbt/ keep their helmet on their bike when they go somewhere? Say that bringing it in/with you isn't an option.

>>16720814
they came stock on DRZ400S, not exactly a motard, but for an enduro/dualsport type bike, they're kinda lame tires

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Someone reaffirm my belief buying this is a good idea.

>>16720816
Helmet lock, but that doesn't do shit if them cutting the strap off is a possibility.

>>16720816
helmet lock or loop it to my disc lock cable

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>>16720822
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>>16720822
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>>16720822
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>>16719217
But I'm not paying $5k for the CB500F

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>>16720816
I just leave it on top of my motorcycle. no locks or anything

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I was looking at a couple bikes at the same price point $4500USD and I came down to Suzuki gsxr 250, Honda cbr 300F, or the KTM Duke 390. do you guys recommend anything else