Has o ever bought a crate engine? Are they worth buying new

>inb4 no ecoboost

>>16372121
It is usually better to rebuild from a strong base than buying a new engine.

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>gm
trash

electric cars are superior anyway

>>16372196
but you can have a 750 hp race engine for the price of a base c5

>>16372200
>electric cars are superior

not when you have to replace the battery

you can't do a rebuild on a battery, it's fucking garbage

>>16372251
>trash
yes, internal combustion engines are trash

They pollute more and are slower.

depends on how much you trust yourself as an engine builder

>>16372258
>trash
yes batteries, I know

>>16372264
>batteries
Yep, they're superior. Glad we agree

>>16372271
>batteries can't be rebuilt but engines can

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>>16372278
>engines are so shit they need to be rebuilt

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>>16372281
>batteries have a shorter life than engines
>have to be recycled when they die

>>16372281
not him but
>batteries are so shit they can't be repaired XD

>>16372283
>>16372289
Quit responding to this obvious bait

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>>16372283
>ice fag triggered his engine is slower
lol
>>16372289
that wasn't even funny

not even trying anymore (just like ice)

>>16372298
mad ice cuck spotted

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No but my brother ordered a 4L60, and axle with 4/.10 gears straight from Chevrolet. Arrived in a few days, with a dolly/ hand truck, moved it to the back yard, and installed it all.

>>16372301
>Tesla can't even break 8 mins on the ring
>fastest car on the ring has an ice only

BLOWN TFO

>>16372314
still slower to 60

>>16372311
for some reason I read this in a southern accent . .

maybe Texas

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>>16372319
>his car is slower everywhere possible but in a straight line to 60

congrats on the hairdryer buddy, too bad it can't compete with real cars

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>>16372121
776 HP from a naturally aspirated V8 with a carb.

That's 200 more than my biturbo V12

fuckin crazy mang

>>16372329
0-60 is the only important day to day metric

>can't compete
you're right, ice can't compete with a fucking sedan, lol

>>16372341
>0-60 is the only important
>only important

t.battery cuck

Thank you for admitting your car is only good at one thing, while real ice cars are better at everything else

>>16372348
So you admit ice can't compete?

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>>16372341
>go 0-60
>immediately enter limp mode

Aww, the yuppie thinks his car is good

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OwOwOw-Owwwwooooooooohhh

>>16372339
it also only does that on 110 octane and costs $24,000

that said there are crate engines that make well over 1000hp all motor on 91 but they cost like 50K+

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lol, ice fags getting triggered

>>16372352
ice competes and is faster at every track, ring, oval, or anywhere with a turn on any road over battery

how is that?

>>16372322
dang this is something i'm self conscious about. I'm from so-cal but have had others say I have an accent

east coast superchargers make the PAXTON NOVI

get forged everything and add one of those and it would probably cost less than a comperable HP build crate engine

>>16372364
dont feel bad Im from the south

when I hear myself on a recording I want to sudoku

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>>16372361
>better for the environment
>faster to 60
>comparing relatively new tech to nearly perfected tech

>>16372375
>better for the environment
Are you fucking retarded?

>made of fucking lithium
>charged with electricity from coal plants

Fucking children

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>>16372375
>better for the environment
>

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>>16372375
>battery slower everywhere that has a turn

fucking kek, why even try to compete

>>16372389
that's a nice copper mine.

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>>16372386
The electricity used to charge them is a dependent variable, dumbass.

>>16372389
>hurr durr electric cars pollute more initially
Over the course of an electric cars lifetime including all variables it will pollute less. Deal with it.
>>16372392
stay btfo

>>16372399
>battery: 1 straight line
>ice: infinitely faster everywhere else

>he will defend this
Why?

>>16372399
>muh drag racing
drag goes on >>>/lgbt/

>>16372414
>>16372417
>won't even attempt to defend ice pollutes more
absolutely btfo

>>16372422
>he has no argument for being completely slower and inferior

>thinks his car can change the climate or has a meaningful effect on pllution

You are like a baby

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>>16372432
>ad hominems
>he thinks his car doesn't have a meaningful effect on pollution
lol

>>16372441
Did you forget what board you are on?

>>>/out/

>>16372465
>>>/reddit/

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>>16372441
>>16372469

enjoy being slower on every turn the entire world over

>pollution
This forum is about cars, not the environment you cuck

>>16372469
this board is for cars

if you want to discuss pollution you have to take it somewhere else
>reddit
This board is for cars

>>16372475
>slower
yes, ice is slower to 60
>>16372477
We are discussing cars and you're getting btfo, stay mad bitchboi.

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>>16372258
>muh pollution

but comrade, global warming is benefit to mother russia

engine with internal combustion is having:

better range
can run on vodka
is sound like machine of west front
can run on vodka
can run on vodka
more power of top end
can run on vodka

electric vehicle is for american bourgeosie who pollute more than average russian just buying import vegan white privilege diet

>>16372483
>fastest 0 to 60 car in the world has an ice

why are you retarded?

>>16372483
Why would you only want to get to 60 the quickest, that makes no sense?

the car can only do 1 thing fast and that's it

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>>16372498
>a multimillion dollar car barely outperforms a 100k sedan to 60 mph
>meanwhile a 300k supercar loses to the same sedan
lol, why is ice such shit?
>>16372505
It's the only important day to day metric.

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>elon musk has bent this many asses

>>16372506
>day to day metric

What about people who buy cars to race/compete with them?

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>OHV in 2016
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>16372506
So you admit there are ice vehicles that are faster to 60?

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>>16372515
>buying a sedan to race with
They're producing a sports car later on. You expect to much out of this car. It's literally the first gen of the car.
>>16372524
Yes, that cost more than 10 times more.

>>16372506
>only important day to day metric

So day to day your car doesn't turn?

>>16372529
>reading comphrension

>>16372528
You didn't answer the question though. What do people do who want to race/compete with cars that aren't in a straight line?

>>16372535
buy a sports car?

>>16372534
Yes or no, day to day does your car turn?

Going around corners is a valid day to day metric. Battery cars weigh more and have lower cornering performance.

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>OVERHEAD VALVES

>>16372541
>buy a sports car?

Which one?

>>16372543
>people take turns at 200 mph in day to day scenarios
this is how you sound
>>16372551
depends

>>16372552
>depends

In any scenario will it solely be battery powered?

>>16372506
Important for immature stoplight racers who don't know what's appropriate behaviour for when, maybe

EVs confirmed for children's shit

>>16372563
>this mad you need 1.2 million dollars to beat a sedan to 60
lol
>>16372556
depends

>>16372552
Sharp turns don't require high speeds

Which will make a U-turn faster, a 5000 lb battery car, or a 2600 lb ice car?

>>16372567
Depends.

>>16372565
>depends

Name a racing series that isn't drag racing where I can run a Tesla?

>>16372570
if they have the same tires and standard alignment

Which will carry the weight around the corner more quickly?

>>16372572
>ignore this series
>it doesn't fit my agenda
>>16372576
depends. The model s has an extremely low center of gravity.

I bought a gm ht383e for my k1500. It was a great engine, but in hindsight I could have done the same build for 1/2 the price

>>16372578
I want to race cars through turns

Are you saying I can't do that with a battery powered car?

>>16372578
>depends

So why can't the Model S break 8 mins at the Nurburgring if it can corner so well, I'm confused?

>>16372592
Insufficient cooling that prevents it from racing for extended periods of time.
>>16372589
You can? It's a sedan. Name one production sedan that can handle like a 918 or brake like one.

>>16372603
>You can?

What league/series?

>>16372604
autocross

Pikes peak.

>>16372603
https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2015/road-test-specs/

>On the skid pad, the ESC system is clearly limiting the car's progress around the circle. Just as the tires begin to howl, the throttle becomes unresponsive, limiting the speed.

Care to explain this?

>>16372616
Tesla is closed source. Pretty sure once they make their sports car that will be solved.

>>16372619
So am I supposed to believe a car that cuts it's throttle and becomes unresponsive

Can corner more quickly than a lighter car with more power that doesn't?

GUYS ITS NOT MY FAULT
ITS THE CARS

HONEST

I KNOW WHAT IM DOING


ITS THE CAR THAT DOESNT

THE CARS FAULT NOT THE DRIVERS FAULT


THE COUNTRY DIDNT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND MESSED ME UP

THOSE ENGINEERS DONT KNOW WHATS BEST


BUT I DO


BUT ITS NOT THE BEST BECAUSE ITS THE CARS FAULT

>>16372614
>autocross

Teslas are put in Super Stock class and can't compete. People have run them before and never won or came close.
>pikes Peak

banned

>>16372632
Who cares if you win. It's a sedan, dumbass.

>>16372634
>I want to race cars
>cars

SCCA is solo

I want to race battery powered cars and you still haven't given me an option

>>16372645
*autocross

>>16372645
pikes peak.

i just said this

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-model-s-pikes-peak-record/

>>16372654
>I want to race cars
>cars
>s
Plural

I want to race door to door with my battery car. Where do I do that?

>>16372654
>High-speed running also put a strain on the battery pack, to the point that the team had to place bags of ice under the car to cool it off.

Jesus fucking christ, and that was with 800lbs gone

>>16372669
Weight has nothing to do with it. The car has insufficient cooling systems for extending use.
>>16372665
>spoon feed me

>>16372679
*extended

>>16372679
>spoon feed me

Is this how battery users treat people who ask for help on where to race there batter car against other cars?

>>16372679
>cooling systems

How does one cool a 1 ton car battery exactly?

>>16372121
For my Windsor 302, it's really almost worth just buying a crate engine missing accessories and swapping shit over. Crate engines come with both a cam and heads that I would change if I rebuilt the original. Price comes out pretty similar too.

>>16372706
>1 ton
I think you mean 2 ton.

>how do you cool it
By giving it cooling systems more cooling systems? Seem like common sense. Big mistake on Elon's part. He should address the cooling issue in the next gen.
>>16372698
>spoon feed me

>>16372726
>cooling systems

What cooling system, using what?

>>16372339
Not having to worry about shit fuel and emissions results in amazing things.

>>16372726
>spoon feed me

If this is how people who praise battery cars act, I don't want to be apart of it.

I'm also pretty sure the answer to my question doesn't exist, but I'm not sure why I'm getting a dismissive childish answer.

>>16372726
*by giving it more cooling systems

Need to get more sleep.
>>16372732
I don't know what system he uses but it definitely needs improvement. And the Model S uses liquid to cool its components. This anon >>16372616 cited an article that shows that.
>>16372746
>spoon feed me

>>16372751
>spoon feed me

You can't spoon feed what doesn't exist

There is no door to door racing for Teslas around any track anywhere

>>16372761
>spoon feed me mommy

>>16372761
this

there's really no racing league for electric cars anywhere and with mouth breathers like >>16372774 making posts there is no reason to join the community either

pretty much a lose lose

>samefagging because you won't be spoonfed

>>16372784
hybrid fags are disgusting people

you should be happy they don't allow them to race and keep them seperate

>>16372616
>Just as the tires begin to howl, the throttle becomes unresponsive, limiting the speed


Tesla confirmed for ultimate cuck mobile

>>16372792
>hybrids can't race
so I guess the 919 is just a massive hallucination. and the audi e-tron. and all of formula 1.

gee, that's convenient

>>16372805
I read one of the editor comments and they said with the ESC on it barely pulled a .8

meanwhile new traction control equipped cars are still pulling close to a full G

>>16372792
electric car racing isn't gonna take off any time soon as a spectator sport

at least there's always go karts

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>>16372843
I wouldn't want to have to deal with a battery anyways

I can't even imagine how much worse it's gonna be in the future

>>16372822
it's all wannabe futuristic garbage

The battery deteriorates after a few years and then you are left with nothing

battery replacements are already hovering around 10 grand, it's criminal

>>16372550
You're right. I like flatheads way better. Much more room for efficiency and simplicity.

>>16372883
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/tesla-model-s-85kw-battery-replacement-cost

>A Battery Replacement Option will be available for purchase soon. The option allows you to pre-purchase a new battery to be installed after eight years for a fixed price: $8,000 for 40 kWh batteries, $10,000 for 60 kWh batteries, and $12,000 for 85 kWh batteries.

Right now a replacement battery is around 20-30 grand

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>>16372248

I don't think they're that much. You can get a 2000hp+ NRE crate engine for $50k. You might as well build your own if you're spending that much.

Seen a few videos lately of mobile phones/e-cigs blowing up in people's pockets and it's a big, nasty splosion for a small battery.

Does the same thing happen occasionally to electric cars?

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>>16372962

It's pretty rare but possible, the cells don't have individual protection circuits in a Tesla. If the 9000 cells decide to go into a thermal runaway chain reaction you better run.