ford gt BTFO

>>16351786
looks terrible

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>>16351786
"pic related engine"

>>16351786
>Made for performance couldn't finish the lap
>5k miles engine replacement intervals
Chevy owners on suicide watch
LOL

>>16351786
>no turbo

put me to sleep already

>>16352132
Btfo

>>16351786
no point. the regular vette already btfos 99% of supercars while remaining somewhat particle.
mid engine supercar trunks are useless.

>>16351786
We've gone full Wal-Mart brand ferrari now.

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>>16351791
>most technologically advanced
>pushrods

Have they crashed one yet to see if it can turn?

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>>16352174
>somewhat particle

>535 HP
>Mid-engine RWD
>GM in charge of traction management systems

yeah I can already see all the C8s that will be sitting in ditches or wrapped around trees. These things are going to make Mr2s look like the most stable cars on the road.

>>16352246

The built-in engine self destruct mechanism (aka shit thermal management) will take care of that

1. I will buy one.
2. It will be great.
3. I will be very happy.
4. I will laugh and shitpost on /o/ about it constantly.

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>>16351786
>under $100k
gm tried to make a cheap mr car once we all know how that turned out roflmao

>>16352183
Now the real questions are:
Which car will be more unreliable?
Which one will be babied by their owners more, and never really driven?
Which one is more likely to be bought as a status symbol rather than because of an interest in cars?
I imagine all of these will be too close to call

>>16352191
fun fact: this was the first C7 to be wrecked after it was launched

>>16352433
I was under the impression that this was wrecked by an engineer before the launch.

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So much fordfag butthurt ITT

>>16352433
>>16352444
Manufacturer plate on it

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>>16352455
lol

>>16352428

The Vette may only last 6 miles but at least it starts. It's got that going for it, which is nice.

A NA or even supercharged big V8 will always be more reliable than a undersized high strung boosted to the moon V6.

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>>16352483

>>16351786
Eh i like the c7 body more than that mid engine design it looks wierd

>>16352183
More like costco. it's great quality but only because it has alot of the good stuff.

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>>16352492
Car pushed as hard as possible has problems.

>>16352539
I don't remember a Mustang blowing up after a lap. I do remember the brakes melting but not the engine. lol, stay mad. gm is shit

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>>16352460
Let's see your Ford GT cuck. Oh wait you're a buscuck lmao gtfo >>>/n/

>>16352549

They couldn't get their $500k "supercar" to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oTd4cYPA8

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>>16352568
>projecting
stay btfo
>>16352573
pic related

>>16352576
btfo, will gm recover?

>>16352145
this

i dont want a fucking stingray some chad in a tuned bmw can keep up with

>>16352763

The fastest stock BMW is still slower. I think you're going to need more than a tuned 2 series to keep up...

>>16352191
Mama mia spicy meme

>>16352191
kekk og shitpost photo

>>16351786
even if corvettes were the best supercar in the world, I still wouldn't want one.

It's like you're out to eat an expensive pasta and you decide to go for microwavable mac n cheese

Viper cucks them all

I really hate the fact that the C7s are selling well so now GMC will keep making these fucking ugly ass Corvettes that underwhelm against the competition. The only thing the C7s did right was the interior, which has needed an overhaul since the c5. Looks like I'll be keeping my C5 z06 for another 10 years.

>>16351786
I want a 7 speed manual in more cars. I always wondered why the fuck they couldn't make one.

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>>16351786
fuck yes cant wait for new batch of corvette BTFO memes
ill have to update my .gif

how will gm ever recover

>overheating problems
>let's move the motor to the back!
1984PontiacFieroonfire.jpg

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hmmmmm really makes you think

>>16352833
If it ended up being the best in the world, wouldn't that make it the world's best mac n cheese?

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It's ugly tho

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>>16351786
>>16351791
>Super car
>technologically advanced
>push rods
Wtf America
I mean, i can respect Harley for that because they are not even trying to compete, its just their brand and legacy.. But in a Corvette? Cmon

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>>16353990
rly fired up my neurons

>>16353990
>few more steps and corvette will finally evolve to be on par with GT-R

>>16354013
Cars are so fast now, I think it's kind of cool if someone makes a naturally aspirated v8.

I just drove a Porsche 991.2 S, for example, and it is sure faster, but it doesn't have the same feel as the 991.1. It still has that turbo non-linear feel and I don't like it as much even though it is faster.

>>16352781
big top mount turbo + some bolt ons

Will shitfist your normie-mobile while getting better mileage, looking objectively nicer, and not chock-full of plastic shit all over the interior.

>>16352191
>>16354013
Pushrods are never than OHC

>>16354022
but things don't evolve backwards

>>16352458
That's not a Kentucky plate.

>>16352833
>expensive pasta

Isn't the whole point of pasta that it's cheap but good? How stupid do you have to be to spend a lot of money on some puhsketti?

>>16354024
It could be NA V8 DOHC... And reliability.. since its already shite why are they using a truck engine on a "super car"?

>>16354057
ok

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>>16351786
Guys, the last time GM played around with DOHC we got the dreaded NORTHSTAR. You guys really want them to abandon pushrods?

>>16354226
Assmad GM fangirl detected

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>>16354226
no we dont want them to abandon push rods, we want people to abandom GM.

>>16354226
Northstar wasn't bad. It had issues with the stretch bolts but replace them with studs and they were quite reliable.

>>16351786
>Mid engined ZR1
>Under 100K USD
No.

>535hp RWD Corvette
>0-60 under 3 seconds, 1/4 mile in high 10's
The C7 Z06 struggles to get 2.95/10.95@127 according to C&D, nevermind doing that with less power.

>>16351791
That engine isn't emissions legal though.
>Intended for pre-1976 street vehicles or any off-road vehicle

>>16352269
I really wonder how GM is going to fix the DI motor's heat problems, while going with a setup that's notoriously hard to cool (less room for heat exchangers).

>>16352191
>>16354013
>lolpushrods
Pushrods are fine in most road applications (below 10K RPM). There's other problems to be worried about in this case.

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>>16352191
>most technologically advanced Ferd V8
>still port-injected
>no cilinder deactivation

>>16354339
>shutting down cylinders to appease climate cucks

>>16354348
>not getting 30 MPG highway

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>>16354339
>cilinder

i believe the word you were looking for is cylinder

also
>cylinder deactivation
>on their top of the line performance engine

>>16354355
>caring about mpg in a sportscar

>>16354368
>>16354373
Alright then, you convinced me that Ford's Modular platform is the most advanced of the big three, despite lacking modern tech like cilinder deactivation and direct injection.

>GM top of the line performance engine: 650hp
>Mopar top of the line performance engine: 707hp
>Ferd top of the line ''performance'' engine: 526hp

Oh wait.

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I'm d/o/ne.

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>>16354386
Ford's top performance engine is a 700+ hp EcoBoost V6, not an archaic v8.

>>16354402
can we just call it a turbocharged v6 rather than ecoboost?

>>16354402
WHAT? ARE YOU SAYING FORD FINALLY RELEASED PERFORMANCE NUMBERS FOR THE GT? NO WAY!

Oh wait. They didn't. They're still claiming 600+ on their websie - so it'll be closer to 600 than to 700. Less power than the Hellcat, and probably less so than the LT4.

>>16354386
>why does the 5.2L V8 makes less power than these other two supercharged 6.2L V8s

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The designers must have been going on holiday soon so just threw a bunch of the same parts further back on the car. job done.

>>16354419
besides the fact that it looks out of one of the shoop threads.

also besides all the alphonse tier shitposting 'hurr durr'

besides the fact that i'm an 'assmad gm fangrill'

i honestly don't see anything wrong with GM wanting the midvette to look like the c7 just with a mid engine.

literally the same car otherwise.

>>16354413
Calling it Ecoboost is the entire reason Ford stuffed it in the GT in the first place. It's a halo car, made to comfort the cuck who bought a 1.0L Ecoboost Focus so he could drive his wife and her son around.

>>16354418
Why can't Ford design a supercharger then? Or make their engine 6.2L?

>>16354419
>>16354431
oh wait, this is an obvious shoop.

fuck my life.

>>16354431
Not that anon, but. to me it doesn't look like a c7. It looks like a jap car fucked a ferrari and made some weird looking kid.

>>16354431
>i honestly don't see anything wrong with GM wanting the midvette to look like the c7 just with a mid engine.
They clearly want it to look like a cheap McLaren.

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>It's a Ford/GM fanboys shit on each other Episode

>>16354432
What is a Termi or a GT500?
yfw last GT500 was a supercharged 5.8L making 660 hp/630 lbft

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>>16354447
okay

>>16354431
I like the idea of it still looking like a vette, just with the hood shorter, rear longer, and the seats and doors moved forward.

But by the spy shots, it looks like it'll be ugly. Sort of like a Pagani+c6 instead of Lambo+c7. Maybe it's REALLY cladded and has better curves.

>>16354432
Car brands dont design superchargers or turbos, just shows how retarded you are. Most brands are using a TVS rotor pack though.

Also, 5.8 trinity had 660whp, does 750 whp with bolt ons, and the supersnake from 09 was 850 hp.

Stay mad pushrod cuck

>>16354272
Why didn't they do that then? Why do they also leak a quart of oil every hour?

>>16354505
Not him but the supersnake was not a production car, but a factory tuned one. It's like the nismo skylines from back in the day.

>>16354505
Btw, 660hp. Not rwhp. Although even an 07 gt500 could do 600whp with exhaust/int/tune/pulley.

New z06s have had plenty of problems from the factory, and hellcats are 4400 pounds. Pushrods can be fine, but to act like dohc is inferior just shows ignorance.

To stay on topic with the thread instead of responding to bus riders, ill say that the new vette looks great but it probably wont compete with the ford gt. In fact, i dont know of anything it will be in direct competition with on the market. It makes numbers and looks like a 10 or 15 year old ferrarri, but time will tell

>>16354505
So you're saying ford has all the parts for a 660hp supercharged V8, but prefers to make a V6 with less power than a Hellcat instead?

>>16354505
The hellcat produces 707hp and is pushrod.

>>16354545
that thing must be really heavy to be that slow with that much power

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The Camaro ZL1 just ran a 1:25.87 on Willow Springs, which completely annihilates the GT350R's (and McLaren 650S) time. This isn't even the Z28, which will beat the Nismo GT-R if it's even a quarter second faster.

Ford on suicide watch.

>>16354883
Unverified lap time try again gmcuck

>>16354933
this, gm btfo

>>16354945
>Gm engineers fiddle with cars on board performance logger while motortrend test team is away at lunch
>suddenly cars on board performance logger says much much faster lap time
I guess they learned that fine tuning the corvettes traction control and damper settings for the 1:25 farce wasn't subtle enough

>>16354048
>big turbo+some bolt ons
That's not how it works unless you want to grenade your engine. This isn't Forza.

>>16354933
>>16354962
Wouldn't Motortrend notice a discrepancy between the ZL1's internal recorder, and the MT Vbox, after the lunch break?

>>16354980
>That's not how it works unless you want to grenade your engine.
Modern engines are amazing. The big three all make engines that they'll just run out of injectors once you add a big turbo, and keep on trucking untill you hit 700hp on a solid tune.

Video related (skip to 1:20):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWvIoYm6CJI
>stock internals
>830whp
>big single turbo
>intake manifold
>JB4 ECU
>E85 tune
>secondary set of injectors (probably to compensate for the E85)

In a straight line, this sure as hell will keep up with a C7 Z06.

I miss the zr1. The c7 looks better, but I miss the c6 reliability. LS for life.

>itt speculation
Listen, the Zora or Wide Body Project is so under wraps that of that not even people who work in the same building that it's being developed in don't even know what it looks like or what the powertain will be. The body isn't even done being developed yet..

But to add to the speculation this is what I have been told:
> It will have some design cues similar to other vettes but will be radically different.
> there will be two powertrain options: a twin turbo V6 and a supercharger V8
> the project is know as the "Wide Body" instead of the Zora.
> Unlike Ford, GM has no real plans of making it some hyper exclusive limited production thing.
> will most likely be strictly a new semi-auto gearbox. A dual clutch system.

That's really all I know.

>>16355133
>there will be two powertrain options: a twin turbo V6 and a supercharger V8
And this is how we know you're full of shit. Why would GM go through with the trouble of designing it for a twinturbo setup, and then not use that on the V8? Why would GM even use a V6? Unlike Ford, they don't have any marketing reasons to do so, no Ecoboost brand or racing effort to promote.

>GM has no real plans of making it some hyper exclusive limited production thing.
Except production will still be small scale compared to the regular Corvette.

>will most likely be strictly a new semi-auto gearbox. A dual clutch system.
So GM just spend untold millions on a new 10 speed auto, has zero experience designing DCT's, and they're going to make 1 DCT gearbox for 1 small-volume car? Go back to your dad at nintendo.

>>16355157
>So GM just spend untold millions on a new 10 speed auto, has zero experience designing DCT's, and they're going to make 1 DCT gearbox for 1 small-volume car
not that anon, but, can't they just buy one from a supplier? especially for lower volume higher profit cars?

>>16355307
>not that anon, but, can't they just buy one from a supplier?
GM is pretty big on only using their own automatic transmissions. From what I can recall, the only non-GM automatic they're using right now is the transverse FWD Aisin in some Opels. Aisin has no longitudinal DCT's in their portfolio iirc. The logical step would be to contact BorgWarner, but I doubt that'll be friendly negotiations since they stopped using BW since the TR-6060, and switched to Tremec.

I highly doubt they'll use a DCT, with development of the 10 speed over with. They need to recoup costs.

>>16355378
What about ZF?

What would the performance hit be like if they used their 10 speed?

>>16352781

a tuned 335i running methanol injection and some supporting mods will defeat any stock stingray corvette.

look at my tune only 335i, skip to 2:20. you never see the nose of that stingray do ya?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXo83LWfxrs&t=90s

>>16352418
I'm sure they've learned a few things in the last 30 years

>>16355392
>What about ZF?
They're pretty much only producing for Porsche, and they co-developed - so I doubt Porsche would be letting a DCT go to GM.

>What would the performance hit be like if they used their 10 speed?
Negligable. Supposedly, shift times are on par with Porsche/ZF DCT's (which are pretty much the standard), so below 40ms, which means the hardware will be quite sufficient. A good rule of thumb for a manual H-gate with synchros is half a second, so about 500ms, which means you could be saving 450ms. Formula 1 uses manual dogboxes actuated by electrohydraulic systems, and they're considered instant shift, so 0ms (because they directly engage the next gear, without clutching). Anything below 30ms is blisteringly fast, so there's not much left to improve, not even for Porsche. Keep in mind, a DCT is much worse in terms of NVH than a conventional automatic - so you either tune the DCT for drivability, or the conventional auto for lightning fast shifts.

It'll be the software Ford and GM put on there that'll make the differences. ZF's 8HP for example (another ''regular'' automatic) has vastly different software across a lot of manufacturers, and some don't always get it right.

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>>16355432
>muh modded car is faster than your stock car

bullshit this car is coming out under 100k with the Z07 being 100k

No way this car isn't leaving the dealership below 150k.

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I just wanted to personally thank OP for making a containment thread.

Ferdshills and Chebbyshills fuck up the board constantly so it's nice for there to be a quarantine.

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>>16355567
>;_;

>>16355594
>and chebbyshills
read next time friendo

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>gm fags ragequit
lol, btfo in their own safespace

>>16355444
Thanks. You an engineer?

>>16354432
Superchargers are inferior compressors. Ask yourself why the Corvette keeps getting btfo by turbocharged cars and then repeat the turbocharger reliability meme to help you feel better.

>>16354525
Yes, and when the Hellcat wins... well anything why don't you come back and tell us about it.

>>16355008
>c6 reliability

You mean the one that shat valves and crushed differentials? At least this one just overheats and nerfs itself.

>>16355705
Assblasted General Motors fangrill located

>>16356442
The first year of LS7's dropped valves, but that was fixed.

>>16356452
No, it wasn't.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-z06-discussion/2625385-poll-on-ls7-s-with-dropped-valves-or-catastrophic-engine-failure.html

http://www.arizonacorvetteenthusiasts.net/topic/24358-considering-ls7-question-on-head-valve-train-failure/

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-zr1/3282839-does-the-ls9-have-valve-guide-issues-like-the-ls7.html

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-zr1/3164923-zr1-ls-9-valve-problems.html

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-zr1/3148839-ls9-valve-guide-wear.html

I'm looking for a c6 z06 and I can definitely tell you they dropped valves 06 to 2010.

>>16356010
Studying to be one. Currently on my third year of uni.

>>16356430
Positive displacement superchargers are less efficient than centrifugal superchargers (like turbo's), that's true. However, the packaging is great, so that's why Gm and Mopar stick with them.

>why the Corvette keeps getting btfo by turbocharged cars
Not because of their compression method, but by completely different merits, such and chassis and drivetrain. Sure, a turbo Corvette would probably be faster than a PD blown one, but you can't compare a PD blown Corvette to a twinturbo GT-R and conclude it's the blower that makes the difference. There's a lot more at play.