/hhg/ - Hot Hatch General

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Have you ever driven a Golf GTE? (I haven't)
> silent night time cruise in a hood/commute
> econo daily yet more powerful than typical one
> still practical and Britbong level compact
I don't think I could consider this performance/fun car, just a pleasant DD, next to a fun car. What are your opinions?

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>>14963054
This, obviously.

>>14963112
These fuckers sell like crazy where I live because lol tax discounts. Can't go outside without seeing at least two.

>>14963054
what is hot hatch now ?
I don't know anything about it out side of 100 hp for 800 kg and having a decent space behind the front seats

getting to 1200 kg and 200 or 300 hp now I guess
and with much better diff and suspension
but utterly shit interior and no cool body kits or decals

Can I buy, insure and tax a decent hot hatch in the UK for £5,000?

I didn't buy a Fiesta ST because it's assembled in mexico. I got a 1.4t sonic instead. I love it so far and I haven't even tuned it yet.

>>14963417
>because it's assembled in mexico
Are you fucking retarded?

>>14963406
heavily depends on where you live and who you are putting on the car as other drivers

>>14963379
I think that's nice brah.
>>14963406
G40 Polo?

>>14963406
I had a quick look on autotrader earlier on thismorning and you can pick up a running Renaultsport Clio for under £1k

>>14963470
Which is probably a good call if it's had the cambelt done.

>>14963417
Wow, that was a majorly poor choice you made there bruh. FiST absolutely demolishes the Sonic in every way.

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What's the best sounding hot hatch?

My vote goes to pic related or the i5-powered ones (Volvo C30, Focus RS mk2 and Audi RS3).

Thoughts on the Fabia vRS with the 1.4 TSI VW unit?

>>14964144
Polo GTI on a budget/10

>>14964163
Yeah, but that's exactly why I'm looking. Im after a modern hot hatch on a budget

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>>14964714
For whatever reason Skodas seem to be more reliable than their VW counterparts.

Maintain your shit and you'll be fine.

Or check out the Swift Sport, pic related. Revvy as fuck 1.6l NA engine, light, great chassis and cheap. Great fun.

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So much fun on winding country roads.

>>14964733
I have actually driven the Swift Sport, but they're a bit more expensive than the fabias I'm looking at, and I do big trips to Le Mans so they are a bit small for all the camping gear.

I'd have to go lower mileage Swift because cambelt, but I can do higher mileage Skoda because timing chain. So the Skodas work out cheaper.

>>14963406
Yes plenty of EP3s well within that price range

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>>14963054
>hot hatch defense force

holy shit you cucks are hilarious, just buy a real car already.

I'm thinking about buying a Fiat 500 Abarth

Am I making a mistake for buying FCA?

>>14965026
>FCA
>girl car
>""""hot"""" hatch
could you be any more of a cuck?

>>14965035
If its good enough for charlie sheen its good enough for me

pass the cocaine

that ford shogun on jay leno's garage was pretty fucking awesome.
>tfw when nitrous

>>14965026
I've test driven one, and it was mad fun. Was about to pull the trigger, but I couldn't live with myself if I had sold my Clio for a glorified Fiat 500.

>>14963124
Fix it again tomorrow

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Post your ST's

Mine needs wash. Would not buy black again.

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Btw, does z3m qualify as hot hatch?

>>14966268
thats the shoe one right?

i guess we might consider you although bmwg is there too

>>14966271
I don't own one. Just thinking if it falls into this category.

Prove to me fwd is good

>>14965035
Le cuck maymay

>>14965982
Currently I drive a 1992 Corolla. It's boring, it's slow, and it feels like an appliance. There was something about the Fiat that felt significantly more fun than the Fiesta ST and Golf GTI.

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>>14966340
dude why aren't you spending money upgrading the shit out of your 1992 corolla? That would be boss as fuck.

Look at this boxy fucker. About 1000kg before stripping anything, 2400 mm wheelbase. Damn that shite would be fun to sling around a turn.

You know that money you're going to spend on a new car? Upgrade the suspension and wheels instead.

Upgrade your brakes and engine. Do something silly, there's a ton of parts out there for this thing. Maybe swap it, go forced induction on the base, be absurd, spend 10 grand.

What is this world coming to that someone wants to dump a '92 corolla instead of making it awesome?

>>14966638
It has 500k miles, and going on it's second transmission rebuild.

I'd rather buy a new car as this point.

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>>14966248

I'm quite content with the greyscale paint job. it still looks great when dirty

>>14963054
>No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take of on the other side of the Atlantic,

This is wrong, Hot hatches have been a thing in the US since the 70s.

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A real handful. Also bought some more stuff to add to my growing list of shit to install.

Is the WRX considered a hot hatch? Or is it basically just a sports car?

I know it's just a sedan now, but for $30,000 the 2016 WRX seems like the best bang for buck in Canada.

>>14966972
The 2016 is not, maybe 13 and prior models that actually had a hatch.

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>FiST soon
get hype

I don't drive an ST but I sure do love my Titanium Focus. How much of a faggot am I?

>>14967266
Only if it's a manuel
Standard focus is a pretty decent car

>>14967277
Nope. Supreme faggot here. I drive in a large college town and like to zone put on my way to and from work

>>14967353
These are nice, much better looking than the Golf of the same gen imo.

>>14967353
Have fun with transmission failures

>>14963985
Either that or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0B9bPTKj6M (Abarth Punto supersport)

>>14966972
It's a sport compact.
The 2015 + generation only comes in sedan form (so far). Previous generations that came in a hatchback are considered hot hatches if you're referring only to the hatchback versions.

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one hatch to rule them all.

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Zoom-zoom, best hot hatch coming through.

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>>14963054
Do these "hot hatch" cars come with anal beads or buttplug?

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>>14969127
>doesn't go for the monster shifter option

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>>14969143

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>>14969127
No, you have buy those separately. Like you've always done.

>23k in Canada
Comitting sudoku

>>14969103
I hate the new Mazda styling. They look like cranky old dudes now instead of insanely happy torque-steering monsters they used to be.

>>14963054
Name a hot hatch that is RWD, please.

>>14969216
KP61 Toyota Starlet
Only one that means anything.

>>14969143
"My car's got a Dick Shift."

"You mean a stick shift?"

"No, a dick shift"

>>14969216
BMW M135i

>>14966340
Yeah, the Fiat feels properly fun, but my Clio at the time was the 2010 RenaultSport Cup model, so the Clio was tonnes more fun. I was only looking at the Abarth because fuel economy. I thought the Fiesta would be fun, but I'm guessing you're American, so the one you get is the size of a bus, not the little 3 door one we get over here.

Are cars like the Clio GT, Polo BlueGT, and Zetec S hothatches?
They seem to be the most powerful trim levels besides the GTI, Renaultsport, and ST, and have the boyracer bumpers, sideskirts and spoilers

>>14970260
The phrase "Warm-hatch" comes to mind.

>>14969216
>>14969216
Brabus Smart cars
BMW 130 sport
BMW M135i
BMW 325ti
C220 Kompressor hatch (it's really not a coupe)
Old Mini Cooper S
Starlets
Corrola GT
Clio V6

These are some that come to mind. There are quite a few RWD hot hatches, all of varying ages, powers etc.

>>14970323

There was never an rwd mini, in any trim or generation.

>>14963112
>without tax discounts leasing one of these costs about as much as a GTI
>real world daily range is about 120km, about 80 in winter
>Renault sells cars with a seperate lease on the battery and lifetime warranty, but if the battery of your VW EV gets tired or breaks you'll have to pay for the replacement yourself
>emissions can be up to 150% of those of a regular compact car. They're just not coming out of the exhaust, but the local power plant
>if you're charging it at home you're paying about 60% of the price of regular fuel per km (at least in germany), charging at public stations costs more. Still cheap, but running a EV is far from free.


What's nice about EVs is the lack of maintenance parts, apart from tires and brakes. Suspension parts are suffering though because the EV is much heavier than the regular variant.

>tl;dr
An EV is nice if you don't keep it for too long and you have your own supply of renewable energy to charge it (ie your company's warehouse has a roof covered in solar panels)

source: friend #1 got talked into leasing an EV, friend #2 is running a 2009 Mustang GT for about the same money. (roughly the same annual mileage)
And that's in germany, with expensive fuel, displacement based taxes etc

>>14970371
>emissions can be up to 150% of those of a regular compact car
Golf OP here. Also, add extra weight.
I'd like GTE because that optional silence, daily mpgs and practicality not purely because of money save neither because that (lacking) driving experience.
>Germany, expensive fuel
P-please...
Btw I'm Pole but I want GTE opinions for future, I'm not buying it now cuz then I could just test drive it.

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>>14963124
MUH FUCKIN DICK

>>14970346
only 4wd mini

Pontiac vibe, Corolla matrix or Mazda 3

>>14966886
aww yeah metallic grey master race

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3rd gen Focus are so buttfuck ugly, only thing uglier is the interior. Kill yourself if you drive one.

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>>14969210
Yeah, but the exterior for the new 3s are a lot nicer imo.

>>14971458
Fuck, meant to say interior. Apparently I need more coffee.

This one gets no love But is fabulous to drive

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What about this

>>14966248
I wanna drive where you are hot damn
Must have nice dirt roads

>>14966248
Seems to be UK, so I have questions. Where is that photo taken? Can you say a bit about driving in UK as where is it nice to drive (either many curves or just nice roads and surroundings to enjoy)? I'd really love to on a big trip there.

>>14971456
I wish I could get my hands on the hood and front bumper of that.

Going to buy an ep3 civic type r on Wednesday, anything to look out for?
I already plan on asking the seller when the valve clearances were last checked, if the timing chain has been done and getting a feel for second gear which I'm told wears quickly if it's used for hard launches.
Anything else?

>>14972210
The T5/D5 are definitely fast cars.

>>14971030
Oh yes bby.

>>14972771
Black Mountain pass, Brecon, S.Wales

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Fuck that was the wrong image.

So anyone get any parts recently or have anything on order? How about plans for this coming weekend.

>>14966248
Ayyy, here's mine fresh off US129/Tail of the Dragon.

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>>14974326
Oops, here's the picture.

>>14974338

I love the silver ST badge. I'm seriously debating replacing the stock red one with this. it looks so good on the darker colors

>>14974416
Are there any decent paints for badges?

>>14974435
Pretty sure any automotive paint will do.

>>14974416
http://www.dmb.uk.com/prod/3997/fiesta-mk7-st180-and-focus-mk3-st250-gel-st-inlay-single-front

http://www.dmb.uk.com/prod/3998/fiesta-mk7-st180-and-focus-mk3-st250-gel-st-inlay-single-rear

I ordered mine in white, but they have lots of options. And thanks!

>>14974448

oh shit, it's an inlay? that's even better! thanks for the links

Fuck you OP an LS powered Gremlin is cool!

>>14966886
yeee my car, but base model

I think the black wheels dont match the color as well as the default grey ones IMO

but at least they dont get as dirty as quickly i assume, fugging break dust

>>14974121
Thanks. As from what I've seen on a youtube recording, it's a great road.
> suddenly a sheep

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>>14976700
That is one nice fucking shot.

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>>14977132
y-you too

>>14977158
>>14976700
The only thing that bugs me is the stickers for exhaust ports on the side.

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>>14976674

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>>14977166
Erm...

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>>14978651
Oh...

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Oh shit zoom zoom

>>14978684
>tfw average on my MS3 is 22 because of lead foot

>>14979239
>mfw average on my Fiesta ST is 30+ em-pee-gees with a protune and a lead foot

I only get 26 if I'm running an E30 tank, though. :(

>>14979268
Is ProTune similar to our eTunes for the MS3 or just some OTS tune? Surprisingly my MPGs didn't suffer that much between stock and the "stage 2" OTS tune I'm running, about 2 mpg difference.

>>14979449
Yeah, eTune/ProTune are the same. Cobb AP, sending logs off to a tuner who replies with revisions to your custom tune, reflash, relog, repeat until satisfied.

I never bothered with the staged OTS tunes from Cobb although I have them.

>>14979546
Yeah I was waiting until I upgrade my turbo before going with a eTune, but I'm thinking maybe after a TMIC upgrade at this rate.

>>14979578
If the MS3 is anything like the Fiesta it's 100% worth it. My tuner offers unlimited revisions for ever, for any parts change so I went ahead and purchased it. I might go big turbo in a year or so but not planning on it anytime soon.

>>14974204
I need to do my brakes and oil, maybe my brake fluid if I'm feeling ambitious.

>>14979610
This kit specifically caught my eye, for you other Fiesta ST people:

http://www.pumaspeed.com/product-ST180-Stage-3-300bhp-Hybrid-Turbo-Package_16842.jsp

>>14979610
Yeah I need to cross-shop tuners for that. I know PurpleDrank is popular near where I'm at but I've always been partial to Stratified because of their involvement with the community.

>>14979626
Stratified seems legit. I use Tune+ and he's pretty widely regarded as the best EcoBoost tuner currently (unlimited revisions is also very generous).

>>14973887
Check for blue smoke when VTEC kicks in
Check for knocking when turning the steering wheel
Check for a brief metal humming noise when gently pulling away in first year

I've been doing some googling out of curiosity, but I can't find what the fiesta ST engine is made of. I assume it's iron?

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>>14980980
>what is wikipedia

>>14981177

wow. I literally wikipedia'd it and apparently can't fucking read

Thanks for pointing out my full retard

Given only $1000 difference between the two, would you go with an Elantra GT or a Fiesta S?

>pocket rockets
>weigh as much as a rwd sports car with a heavy engine

>>14982291

Kia's don't hold their value 4 shit.

>>14982404
Both are used, $11000 for the Fiesta, $12000 for the Elantra.

>>14982291
if you have to go cheap, get the fiesta sfe with manual

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>>14974326
Most fun I'll ever have

>>14982291
>>14982411
why would you even consider a kia/hyundai? Id rather die than ride a hyundai

>>14984233
>t. vw driver

>>14984239
well yeah id rather get a vw than korean shit, and that says alot

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>>14983897
It's really amazing, I've got to get back there again soon.

Is the Sandero RS a hot hatch?

>>14984300
it's pretty cool ye
hue bro?

>>14984331
Yes.
I was getting one but I got a normal hatch instead because it was like 5k cheaper and I don't like to drive anyway

>>14984351
nigg why didn't you buy a fiat?

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>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
>Mfw every major city in the past fifteen years minimum has had a hot hatch in it capable of destroying a fucking focus.
dont get me wrong, for every 1 civic hatch that is done right there are 10 done wrong.. but dont act like this is the first hatch the US embraced. Honda and VW have been in this market and have also been popularfor years. Chamon man.

>>14984396
I'm still curious about who started this thread thought that the Focus ST (US) was the first real hatch backs to show up.


Also

>Civics destroying Focus
Not really, even the MK1 Focus SVT was built to take out the Si, and it did. With all reviewers.

Renaultsport Clios of varying generations are very cheap in my area. Anyone driven one?

>>14984467
Friend of mine has a 2nd gen pre-facelift Clio RS Cup. The interior feels horribly cheap, but it's mad fun.

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>>14984467
I feel like I'm being baited, but this is mine.
It's got the cup chassis. Honestly the most fun car I've owned, and I've had an EP3 Type-R and an Impreza WRX. I put nearly 40,000 miles on the thing in 2 years. It's a little bit worse for wear right now though.

>>14984682
Post pics of car in current state

>>14984687
Can't. Don't have any, can't take any.

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>>14984403
Seriously, the MS3 had been in the market before the ST in the US and properly ate everything in the market segment for lunch.

>>14969370
>girlfriend asks to borrow car
>"I don't know honey, can you drive dick?"

Do I buy the Fiesta ST, or do I get the new Polo GTI, or something else?

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>>14985782

>>14985798
I do like these, I even went to test drive one. But I don't think it's going to be practical enough for what I want.

>>14985782
>test drive
>decide

It's pretty subjective.

>>14985998
What else is worth looking at? I'm after other opinions. Obviously ultimately I will test drive them and decide myself.

>>14986019
Peugeot 208 GTi, and in a lower price range the Suzuki Swift Sport maybe?

>>14986019
Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Golf GTI, probably some Renaultsports or wagons or sports coupes depending what your budget is

>>14985982
>Polo GTI
>more practical than an Abarth 500
you could aslo go bigger and go for an Abarth Punto.

>>14973887
engine mounts, easy to check the front drivers side one. Gear box feels a lot better when warmed up so its hard to get a solid impression from cold

>>14966655
>500k miles
Damn son

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>>14974204
I'll be doing the ball joint tonight, mudflaps will be this weekend. I want to measure them out properly.

While not hhg related I'll be at "Racewars" this weekend as a photographer.

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goat hatch

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>>14988085
You're welcome

So whats the main difference between the FiST and the FoST and which one will I get more enjoyment out of?

>>14989053
FiST = god machine
FoST = fat, bloated, can't turn, not as fun but has more room if you're into that sort of thing

the fiesta is more fun on twisties and the focus wins in a straight line.. but if you're getting a hot hatch you probably care most about twisties.

drive them both and decide for yourself though.

>>14989053
Focus has a bigger engine and makes more power but it's also 500lbs heavier than the fiesta.

If you want a little bit more straight line speed go for the focus, if you want a lighter nimble car get the fiesta.

>>14989421
>>14989190
Thanks for the responses, from what you said I'm definately leaning towards the FiST. I'm going to test drive them both though before I make any final decisions.

>>14986036
I like the new Clio, but it's shit compared to the old one. Might try and look at Meganes.

I looked at that FiST's interior again and to me it hasn't become any less of a pain to look at. Good that I'm not about to choose a car as I'd have a dilemma to either vomit inside the car for the better look of the interior or lose that fun of driving a FiST.
Hope you enjoy yours and they are reliable as 2.3liter is said to be.

>>14991257
I couldn't have had a base interior, with the Recaros it feels marginally more special, I like the basic combination of modern amenities (automatic climate control, bluetooth, USB ports, etc) and simplicity in the Fiesta's dash layout.

>>14989053
It's pretty subjective. If you need more space or have passengers the Focus is the better choice. If you don't then the Fiesta is a bit more fun and quick, though slower.

>>14991273
>I couldn't have had a base interior, with the Recaros it feels marginally more special
I meant the seats are the only thing I like about FiST (and they ARE good). Not the opposite. I hate everything else and while generalising "everything else" I am close to what I feel. I even dislike the exterior a lot. Simply, that's not a car for me, even if I'd like to drive that once.

>>14991313
It's definitely an econobox, but it's the perfect daily complement to an actually-powerful weekend car.

>>14991330
I'm not insulting it being an econobox as I'm no more than poor and yes, it is a great compromise between a DD and weekend car, but information screen(s) could look better, radio/hazards/etc panel stinks of Chinese Walmart hired designer, you dive deep for AC controls and such. There is huge space for improvements maintaining costs on the current level.

>>14991359
You can actually voice control the temperature which is pretty funny, but yeah you do have to reach for the climate controls (though, who drives a sporty car with the AC zapping all your engine power? haha). The Fiesta is the cheapest car in Ford's lineup and the ST trim is a reflection of that, I'm just glad they put the extra money into performance bits rather than luxury bits.

I haven't been disagreeing with you, the interior is cheap and rattles quicker than most from the hard ride. Overall it's a really great value. Definitely not the car for everyone, however.

>>14963112
bumping for opinions

>>14993749
Opinion: Not a hot hatch, don't care

>>14993784
k

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>fwd hot hatch
>'''''''''''''''''''fwd''''''''''''''''''''
>"""""""""""""hot""""""""""""""

>>14985798
fuck me they sound so great
There was one that went past me today at uni and I came a little

>>14990615
isn't the new clio a 5 door only?
I know they try and hide the rear doors with the handle being in the C pillar, but it's still pretty long

>>14993868
Yep, and is only available with the EDC gearbox and no manual.

>>14993862
Yeah, they sound stupidly good.

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good hatch for a complete poorfag?

it doesn't have to be a "traditional" hatch either, a coupe with a hatch rear will do as well, I just want the "trunk" to be connected to the rear passenger area via fold-down seats or whatever.

and by poorfag I mean literal minimum wage cuck.

I see there are a lot of focus zx3 on craigslist. also I have never driven manual but it my current living conditions I could borrow a daily as I learn, though considering I city drive auto might be better as a starter. I want an RSX but they're all 4k+ for a decent one.

>>14994211
That image is a liftback. The RSK is also a liftback and not a hatch.

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>shilling for the fiesta when the literal god machine exists
the mazdaspeed3 has dominated the segment for almost 2 decades

>>14995811
Focus ST > MS3

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tfw no ones posted your glorious nippon grocery-getter

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>tfw no 3 door FiST for sale here

I hate the look of the 5 door, even if it's more practical.

The rs is going to flop so hard. It's a glorified ms3 with a gimmicky "awd" system. Shitbox.

>>14995847
Because it isn't a hot hatch...

>>14966248
WHY DONT WE HAVE THE TWO DOOR VERSION IN THE U.S.?! FUCK THAT'S NICE

>>14996157
most americans don't want hatches to begin with. only 2 door hatch i can think of is gti

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Only 4 doors T-jets with, abarth stuff in it ( 152hp) on brazil, no esse esse, no 2door abarth.

>>14996180
FIAT 500 M8

The new Polo GTI is a pretty tempting car...

>>14997513
I chose between the Polo GTi and the Fiesta ST.

But I didn't test drive the GTi, which I kind of regret.

>>14997891
The Fiesta ST just doesn't really do anything for me, they're too common. Maybe considering the new Clio RS, but the EDC gearbox is turning me off a bit. Might try and push the boat out and go for a Megane RS.

>>14998231
Try the 208 GTI too.

>>14995841
Focus ST is based on all of the work put into the Mazdaspeed 3. I would be pissed if the MS3's legacy was worse out of the box than itself.

Too bad when it comes to tuning potential the ST still seems to lag behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OywEbm82AvM

>>14995841
Except it isn't.

>>14995841
>still nose heavy
>still torque-steery as FUCK
>still a Ford
m8

>>14998231
Fabia VRs/Seat Ibiza Cupra are cheaper alternatives to the Polo and they're basically the exact same car. Polo wins on interior build quality and nondescript looks (if that's your thing), Ibiza wins on colour options and exterior styling (if they're your thing), and the Skoda wins on price. I dislike how it looks like a squashed estate.

Clio RS is a good drive but the smaller less revvy engine and EDC-only ruined the car. It's also retarded expensive next to the competition. The Trophy is an amazing car, though. Like, really amazing.

208 GTi is a fun car but like the Clio I dislike the small engine and the 208 does feel very fat. Steering is numb, too. The interior is a wonderful place to be and the seats are comfy, but the ICE is irritating as fuck because it has to ponder a little while before it acts on inputs.

Corsa VXR is a traffic lights grand prix car and that's about it. Interior is a mound of steamy shit and so is the ICE, which uses screen scraping because Vauxhall/Opel/GM are too fucking lazy to develop a bespoke system. The way it picks up speed put a huge smile on my face, and it handles corners OK if you spec the LSD and tricked suspension, but even then it's not a patch on the ST or the Clio in the twisties.

>>14998822
See, I'm looking to replace my Clio RS Cup, the face lifted 2.0 model fully loaded with all the options except bucket seats. It's been written off in a head on. So I want something that at least feels on par with it.

>>14998845
I guess you'd be looking at the Swift Sport, 500 Abarth, Fiesta ST or Megane RS, then.

>>14998845
On par with it? Another Clio 200 m8. Closest you will get is a FieSTa.

None of the new cars are revvy. None of the new cars feel as nimble or as light or as chuckable. They feel like heavy fast hatchbacks because that's what they are. None of the new cars have such a sweet gearbox with a tight throw and lovely bolt-action feel when you slide the lever into a new gear.

>>14998895
Do you know a bit about their longevity? I'd always wanted 2.0 Clio but I'm afraid they're all rekt inside before I'll be able to afford one.

>>14998822
>Fabia VRs/Seat Ibiza Cupra are cheaper alternatives to the Polo
But there's no new Fabia vRS anymore.

Any advice for a guy about to order a Focus RS today? This is my first brand new car

>>14998938
Brand new?

>>14998938
READ THAT thread, please:
>>14980448 (how not to get assraped by dealer).

>>14998949
The RS is new here in the States from what I've read. I've never bought a current year car before also

>>14998953
Good read, thanks

>>14998938
I bought my MS3 brand new 2 years after it had been in the market for the style.

Do a ton of research, see what prices other people are paying for equivalent to your spec. Avoid the extended warranty, it's a rip off. In fact, avoid all dealer extras, they're all rip offs.

Are you pre-approved for a loan already from your bank? Have that number ready to use to deflect their deals.

Are they firm on the price because REASONS? Ask them to sweeten the deal by throwing in extra shit until you're satisfied.

Finally, be prepared to just walk away. I know you want this car, you know you want this car, they know you want this car. But you don't have to buy this car right away, nor do you have to buy it from them. If they're being inflexible, just walk away.

>>14999015
>dealers giving anyone anything for free with cars like the RS
Never going to happen. The salesmen will laugh you out of the dealership because they know their car allocations will get sold regardless of his business or not.

>>14998938
be ready to pay over MSRP

>>14999049
I have 12k to drop immediately on it and make 59k a year if that answers that

>>14999056
59k a year isnt enough to buy a 40k car, sorry bud.

>>14999015
My buddy (wish he hadn't left the state though...) knows the manager pretty well at this dealership but I don't mind walking away if I have to

>>14999056
>car is 40k after tax
>plus at least 5k dealer mark up
>12k down
>you're still paying 600 a month for a focus

>>14999067
No? I think it'd be close but manageable

>>14999035
You never know until you try. I think you'll find a lot of people are hesitant to put that kind of money down for a Focus when they could just get a V8 Mustang instead.

>>14999069
See if your buddy still has connections with the manager and can get you hooked up? Good luck regardless.

>>14999101
Yeah, that's pretty doable for me

>>14998860
I've driven the Swift Sport and the Abarth. The Swift felt a bit lacking somehow, I think it was possibly because it was too quiet, and the Abarth was mad fun but the seating position felt too high and the car felt mad small, so not great for the shit I use it for.

>>14998895
Yeah, another Clio would be perfect, but the running costs were starting to hit my bank hard. I had put nearly 35K on it, and I bought it at 44K. And the MPG wasn't great. Fiesta might be the one to go for then I guess.

>>14998934
I went through ball joints, shocks, battery, the fuse for the igntion, 3 sets of tires, a back bumper, an exhaust manifold and a cambelt in the 35000 miles I did in my Clio, it I was almost an 80K mile car before it was in the accident, so.

>>14999139
whatever floats your boat bud. I like to keep the rule of making 3x annual salary than the car is worth to be able to afford it

>>14999154
That's pretty conservative. Which I can't blame you. Money is money

>>14999154
My annual salasy is 0

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>>14999101

>car is actually 36,556 after tax.
>dealer markup is around 2.6k at southern california delaers

If you're paying 600/mo after 12k down on 40k, your credit is actually too bad to even be considered for the car from a financing perspective. With good credit and a third of the vehicle cost in down payment, you would be closer to 300/mo.

But hey, you can keep inventing reasons other people shouldn't like it to justify your own feelings. Whatever floats your boat, bud.

>>14999067
what the fuck? Yes it is you moron how else do you think we get people in fucking Golf GTI's on entry level IT salary. If your salary can equal the cost of the vehicle in even three years and you have good credit, plenty of creditors will toss financing options at you.

I honestly shouldn't be surprised at how many people on this board have zero finance knowledge.

>>14999146
Have you tried the Punto Abarth? I haven't read or heard much about it, but if the 500 is anything to go by it could be a good option.

>>14999312
It cannot hold a candle to the Clio 200.

What mpg you fellow FiSTers getting?

Me i'm averaging 33.5

>>14999365
speaking of fisting do you guys think it would be possible to get a plate that says

FIST ME

>>14999365
93 about 30mpgs, E30 27mpgs.

>>14999376
Maybe if you dropped the I, not sure.

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>>14999376
Damn, this is the closest I could get

What a shame, I would seriously have considered buying "FI57 MEE" and putting it on my FiST

>>14999451
How about "FISTED" or a variation thereof?

>>14999365
>>14999421
I drive ~55 miles a day, 90% highway and average around 35 on 91 octane (highest I can get in my state)

car is completely stock btw

>>14999257
>car is actually 36775 MSRP
>before tax
>plus 2.6k markup
>39375
>lets assume 8% tax
>now it's 42525
>12k down
>loan amount is 30k
>at 2.5% APR and 5 years that's $532/mo

there I did the math

>>14999451
If you have a 15 plate, you could have FF15TME

how do the previous hatch generation WRX /STI models handle?

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Got my Fiesta ST on Wednesday, Gonna take it for a run in the hills with my mates Golf GTI MK7 when I get the chance

Can we think of any hot hatches that don't scream "I'm a yob, pull me over" from the outside? I'm thinking 208 GTI and the outgoing Fabia vRS. Maybe the Polo and possibly the current Clio.

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>bought Fiesta ST
>within 30k miles it's had an engine replacement, various electronic failures, and now if I turn my wheel it makes a horrible squealing noise at low speeds
Did I get a lemon?

>>15000617
Thats a 3 door? In America?

>>15003442
That can't be in America, has to be Australia. There's an Astra VXR parked behind it.

>>15003499

Yah I'm in Australia, VXR is my dad's car.

>>15003525
I'm somewhat impressed I got it from half a back wheel and a rear passenger window.

>>15003333
that is your power steering.
either low oil, shit oil, serpentine belt or you need something expensive like a new pump or steering linkage.

check power steering fluid is clear
check level is correct.
inspect belt and pulleys for any signs of wear or corrosion

>>14964851
Swifts are chain driven btw, at least the Sports are.

>>15003747
Oh cool, probably should have looked into that more. Definitely more of a contender now.

>>15003757
If you're going for the older Swift Sport, bear in mind it only has a 5 speed, the current has a 6 speed. It's definitely geared for A/B roads rather than motorways.

>>15003785
I'll be going for the newer one probably.

>>15003699
Yeah I was wondering if anyone would've noticed

Why don't Americans understand hot hatches?

Is it a cultural thing, cos their cities are larger and more spread out so they all just drive sedans?

They all just come in and start shitposting about MUH RWD. MUH SMALL FAGGOTS CARS XD

>>15004007
It's probably something like that

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What do you think ?

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>>15004242
>ibiza
>not leon
>kek

>>15004242
boiracer coal burner

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Just ordered my boomba bov and cfm symposer delete for my foST.

Depo racing fmic in couple weeks

>feels good mang

>>15004007
Georgia reporting, anything that is not a truck or an old muscle car is a "girls car" here.

>>15004242
If it's the new 1.8T 6 speed manual, pretty cool, if it's the older 1.4T DSG, less cool, but still not bad. If you got the new 1.8T with the DSG, you're an idiot.

>>15004269
I wanna know how long the bov lasts on your car.

>>15000617
Looks real good m8!

>>15003333
Sounds like a lemon, what year Fiesta did you get? Haven't heard of anything that severe happening.

>come in to thread expecting hot hatch action
>instead get ford circle jerk

I really hope for your sakes none of you fist owners ever drive an MS3, the realization that your little party cars are completely and categorically outclassed by something that's been on the market for about a decade might be pretty devastating.

>>14995847
Is that a Fit?

I rode with a co-worker in one of those, he was constantly at like 5k RPMs but it felt like we were getting nowhere.

>>15004864
Even worst, when you realize the ms3 is mazda's halo car.

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>>15004864
Or if anyone in this thread, bar the few that have, actually managed to even get behind the wheel of the Mk3 Clio RS. That's the true godmachine here.

>>15004864
I hope you never get embarrassed by a 300whp/300torque hybrid-turbo (god forbid you meet a big turbo) Fiesta. :)

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>>15005008
I wish I still had mine. I'm properly worried I'm not going to find anything as good as it to replace it.

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y/n

>>15005084
not in that color

>>15005084
It looks nice, what color Focus though?

>>15004479
Is it too loud man????

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>>15005091
silver, pic from google, I'm just wondering if I should do something like black/white/gold/bronze

>>15005086
what color 2 pick
i feel like that pic is more brown than I want

example pic

>>15005111
I'd say stick with gunmetal, or maybe a muted gold color. That could add some nice contrast.

>>15005097
It's loud and incredibly frequent, but you should at least try it out. You may really like it, but I know other people who had it on for the drive-after-install before taking it off.

>>15005111
I guess Black would look better, a silver car is a bit tougher to get the wheel color right.

I have had a Volvo c30 and just found this thread. I don't frequent /o/ much. I usually just use mine as a daily driver all this time.

do I fit in here? what upgrades should I do to get rid of that torque steer?

>>15005393
Make sure your tires are properly inflated, and your wheels are aligned. Past that, a good set of coilovers may help, or some chassis braces like this:

http://www.piercemotorsport.com/2008-2013-volvo-c30-lower-2-point-tiebar-brace/

Okay, small hot hatches;
Abarth 500, Vauxhall Adam S, Renault Twingo RS 133, DS3R and the Suzuki Swift Sport.

Have I missed any out?
What are peoples thoughts on these? Are they the best way to have fun for the least money whist still having a modern car?

>>15004864
The MS3 has way too much torque steer. A hot hatch in my opinion is balance and should be able to do everything.

>>15004479
2014 model

>>15003727
Thanks, fluid looked clear, level was right, and I didn't see any visible damage. Gonna take it to the dealership, it should be covered under warranty anyways.

>>15007621
it's also 500 pounds heavier than the fiesta st. that kind of added of weight is immediately apparent.

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>tfw no US market Fiesta ST Coupe
Why?

Also, how is the Golf GTI Coupe? I was thinking sbout getting one as a first car.

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I like the storage space of hatchbacks but I prefer the aesthetics of the celica, RSX and Tiburon.
Do you guys recommend anything similar to these?

>>15008737
RSX-s is your best bet because of dat liftback

>>15008737
>>15008789
The last gen of Celica and the RSX are both lift back, and the rear seats fold for more space. Either of those skills serve you well

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I want a hot hatch but I can't drive manual, and I have no way of learning to drive a manual. America hates manual cars so there's no way to rent one or anything.

>>15008831
Just ask the dealer and show that you have a strong intention of buying that exact car. Most of the time the salesperson will take you to a lot and teach you if that's what it takes to make a sale. Some dealers will even lend the car to you for a few days, although that only happens for more expensive cars.

Learning a manual is much easier than you think and will probably take a few hours to a week. Getting gud is the tricky part and takes a few months.

t. Learned manual the same way. The dealership had a specific vin that I wanted to test drive and he taught me everything in an hour, maybe longer.

>>15008831
Surely there's people who do manual driving lessons in murrica

>>15009578
The driving test should be in a manual, like the rest of the civilised world.

>>15009678
In civilised work you are allowed to choose. Get out of that shithole before they completely ruin your mentality, senpai. :^)

>>15009796
*world

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Today is going to be a good day. New plugs/plug wires, valve gasket, passenger control arm(ball joint) and I might install my mudflaps.

>>15008918
This.

When I bought my civic coupe, I basically told the dealer "If you teach me to drive this thing, I'll buy it from you."

30 minutes later I was pretty solid, and I never stalled the car ever again.

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>>14965104
yee boi. Shame ford never wanted to take it further than just a pet project of two engineers. would've get the market for these cars to take off stateside. Kinda reminds me of the Clio V6

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>>15010580
Reminds me of the Renault 5 Turbo.

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>>15010592
>dat ass

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>>15010592
and that if it were silver

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>Go to do spark plugs
>take out old ones
>worst 2 are over spec gap by .27

>>15010592
Why do they have to be so expensive

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>>15008789
>>15008811
But are their any similar lift backs I should keep an eye out for?

>>15011205
not really

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>drive pic related 2.0 TDI now
>buybacks soon
>eyeing GTI
>tfw GTD ded in north america

Anyone with a Mk7 now able to chime in on what to expect? I've never owned a true hot hatch, only the econobox variants.

>>15011789
>He thinks he is going to be able to swap an old model for a new one

>>15008918
Too scared to buy a stick