/classical/

wiess more like yikes

>>75114318
Daily reminder that the keys have personality

>>75114343
which key is the lewdest

Buxtehude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzRG-3A-4I

What's the /classical/-approved way of practicing? 45 Minutes x 5 a day?

>>75114343
A Major is cute! CUTE!

>>75114369
B-flat major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj33HliB5v0

>>75114343
in norwegian A is called Ass

>>75114409
i meant a-flat, the b unicode didn't show up

>>75114379
yeah, but break down the 45 minutes into 15 minute sessions with a 5 minute pause between them

>>75114369
B Major, in my opinion, but A major and B flat major are good too.

>>75114336
#REKT
how will Weiss recover

>>75114421
who instrument are you talking about? I'm playing the trombone

>>75114318
>DEUS VULT + Classical music = perfect combination

>>75114336
Weiss? More like Scheisse!

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>>75114409
in Norwegian A is called
arrarrarrarr
arrararar

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>>75114440
>Error: Maximum file size allowed is 3 MB
Fuck this

>>75114343
All keys are the same, and tunings change over time (which means that if Mozart could listen to our music he would think that it's out of tune).
Stop treating your impressions as universal thruths, pleb

>>75114439
any instrument
focusing hard for more than 15 minutes at a time becomes tiresome fast

>>75114336
weiss more like ale

>>75114483
15 x 15?

>>75114439
>I'm playing the trombone
Don't lie, you play the viola and you can't admit it

>>75114454
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1BS6iXJNBuL
like this?

>Post woodwind pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-EkQdvTcLs

>>75114498
play for 15
rest for 5

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>>75114379
>45 mnutes a day
Come on, you can do it once in the morning, once in the afternoon and once before going to sleep. 45 minutes per day is downright pathetic.

Also don't listen to pussies like this one >>75114421. A 15 minutes session leads nowhere. Stick to the 40-45 minutes plan (which is the minimum required in conservatories).

>>75114483
Holy shit, shut the fuck up and quit any instrument you might be playing.
>15 minutes is too tiresome
God, how weak can a person be?

>>75114518
15(15 minutes practicing + 5 minutes doing nothing)?
>>75114528
can you not read? i said times 5, im not some fucking casual dude

>>75114491
weiss more like dunkel

>>75114528
i think anon means 45 minute sessions 5 times a day

>>75114545
yeah

>>75114511
wtf you massive autist
like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHMy6V5Qjc

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>>75114318
What advice do you have for someone who can appreciate the more complex and winding, and sometimes disorientating elements of classical music, but can't really bring himself to like it all that much? I respect it almost purely on a metric level, through how skillful it is. What kind of mindset do I need?

This is coming from someone who loves the more accessible and romantic melodies of composers like Tchaikovsky and Wagner.

>>75114545
>can you not read? i said times 5, im not some fucking casual dude
My bad. Stick to the 45 minutes plan, 5 sessions is perfect.

>>75114553
I've missed that "a day", so I though he wanted to play 45min per day, 5 times a week. My bad.

>>75114666
trips confirm

>>75114620
You must have profound feelings, but local autists will tell you otherwise.
If you don't apprecialte Mozart's simple pieces, then I doubt you will fully comprehend complex counterpoint.

gimme some pieces that use resonant overtones on the piano
like the last chord of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmXAG2mYY4

>>75114620
attend concerts
deliberately avoid analysis throughout the performance
meditation can help

>>75114440
>>75114466
Oh, a fellow Kekistan citizen i see! DEUS VULT brethren! xD

>>75114711
harps over pedal point
https://youtu.be/DNlICUf6Jls?t=20

>>75114620
You just don't like it then. There's nothing wrong with liking Tchaikovsky and Wagner. Don't force yourself to pretend to like music that you just don't like.

>>75114924
I'm no stranger to inaccessible works of art, (music or otherwise) and have had plenty of things "click" for me, so I see no reason why this won't eventually. I'm just trying to get some outside opinions is all.

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IT'S FUCKING ARPEGGIO TIME MOTHERFUCKER

Do you go to ballet performances? How gay is it to go there?

>>75115955
>How gay is it to go there?
Depends

>>75116024
On what?

>>75116055
Depends.

>>75115955
/classical/ is manly and loves ballet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_f9B4pPtg

>>75116055
If you go alone, with girls, with boys, which clothes do you wear, etc.

>>75115235
https://youtu.be/d47dqPYMbGI?t=94
octave arpeggios sound so cool

>>75116215
I usually go naked and with two black guys on Viagra.

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>>75116095
But that looks gay as fuck

Today I went to a modern dance production, that must make me even gayer than this
The guy who was selling tickets was definitely gay

>>75116215
I go alone. I don't wear any particular clothes, I just try to look as decent as I normally do. I mean, paying too much attention to clothes is gay.

>>75116304
>paying too much attention to clothes is gay.
which is why >>75116296 is the straightest person ITT

>>75116304
You're just confused, anon. Listen to Fauré to cleanse your mind -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QV2ADmf1o

>>75116304
Stuff like Copland ballets aren't gay but that Tchaikovsky stuff is 200% gay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PGkJkpK1yU

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Really enjoying Erik Satie lately, particularly Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes as performed by Reinbert De Leuuw.

Someone rec me more slow, methodical piano

>>75116680
>>75114711

>>75116680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ

>>75116680
did you listen to his Nocturnes

>>75116344
>>75116363
I was just memeing you guys. I have been aware of my homo for years. Today I saw a modern dance production for the first time in my life and recently watched Firebird/Rite of Spring recordings so I wanted to shitpost about it a little bit.

Admittedly, the performance I saw today is far less gay than a standard ballet, since it was about farmers, how they sell their products and live, parallels with a similar system present in China etc. No drama or anything.

So, do you know of any good books on the theory and history of ballet? Some sort of an introduction, like Copland's "What to listen for in music".

>>75114379
>>75114421
>>75114498
>>75114518
are you guys serious? just practice as long as it's productive. Practicing just to fill the time is pointless and in the end even harmful. Best practicing is when time flies and you don't even think about how long you're playing.

The best conductor of Das Lied von der Erde is ___________.

Hard mode, no Bernstein allowed.

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>>75116888
>local ballet was performing Rite of Spring
>orchestra was pre-recorded
I ended up forgetting about it and didn't go

>>75117031
Mahler

>>75117055
hmmm

>>75117031
Bruno Walter

Is Prokofiev 2 the goat piano concerto? Recommend me something better. I listened to Mendelssohns first two and they were quite boring. Does that make me a pleb?

>>75117176
Beethoven 4 and 5 obviously
tschaikovsky 1
bartok

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwyfO4BLFvE

>>75117031
i find the Klemperer/Wunderlich/Ludwig recording immensely satisfying despite Klemp's tendency to be so damn rhythmically steady. really great production quality, playing, and singing.

all of the Walter's are worth hearing. Kubelik, van Beinum, and Schuricht are all great as well. grab Slowik for the chamber version. honestly, for a piece that's supposed to be fairly awkward and difficult to perform, i find that a lot of recordings are decently satisfying.

You can listen to one of the following for the rest of your life:
>Bach's Mass
>Handel's Messiah
Which is it and conducted by whom?

>>75117031
klemps, walter, rosbaud, keilberth

>>75119586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2aHJ3gmav8

I'm trying to get better at my clarinet, but I can't seem to improve by myself. I noticed I get a "Zenkai" whenever I play with someone better than me and I eventually surpass them in skill. Any tips on how to get better by myself? I can't really rely on other people to push myself to get better.

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>>75117031
>Bernstein's Mahler

>>75114666
>666
if you would have put at the bottom ''selling your soul to the devil for virtuoso skills'' this post would have been perfect

>>75120040
shame the Rosbaud recording had the bright idea of panning the voice into one channel instead of just putting it in the center

>>75120409
Motivation is profoundly social, anon. We tend to pick the easiest paths when we're left alone, and it makes sense, as they're more pleasant.

This is the reason being born in a musical family, attending university or otherwise surrounding yourself with musicians as frequently as possible leads to better outcomes.

Not saying you can't overcome this, but it'll be unnecessarily tough even if you succeed.

Would anyone be in favor of a /classical/ youtube playlist to compile all the links posted here on a monthly basis?

>>75120613
yeah

>>75120493
Understandable I suppose. I wasn't born into a musical family so there's no push there and I'm going to surpass the top clarinets at my school very soon. What do I do then? Do I let the others get ahead of me or something?

>>75120438
which recording? i assume youre referring to the swr but ive not had the experience

>>75120649
Can you afford a private teacher

>>75120659
the '60 one with Hoffmann and Melchert, right?

https://f.lewd.se/pn61Xh_Track_04.mp3

>>75120679
Not right now no. Irma kinda fucked my shit up a little bit.

>>75120770
Get the best teacher you can afford when you have the chance and have lessons as often as financially possible.
If you can make your lifestyle revolve around the music you intend to make, that can help as well. Create an online community for information regarding concerts in your area, it can help you socialize with people who share your interests. Join a group.
You get the idea.

>>75120833
Alright, will do. Thanks man.

>>75120689
sounds like the position of the microphone... it is like that on my recording but not quite as bad

there is also a live recording from 1955 with koln so

>>75115955
Occasionally.

Nothing gay about watching hot young women in their 20s dance around wearing very tight outfits.
Last one I went to had a young lady in her underwear dancing with a guy and using a mattress as a prop. Something to do with marriage. It was pretty good.

>>75121120
>there is also a live recording from 1955 with koln so
oh, i didn't know about that one

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>>75114318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vX4NjJ8Ji4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofP___DFDTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI2JmQP8iOM
Weiss is fucking godtier.

Anyone know what kind of script I would have to write to get this classical playlist compiler up and running?

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Were they right about Mahler?

>>75120409
this is the most embarrassing thing i've read in a while

fuck i can only imagine how fucking awful you really sound

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crypto is dipping. give me some stormy and uncertain/intense classical as the soundtrack to me temporarily losing $1,000s in 24 hrs

>>75122782
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=HYZivFGL7J8

Der Abschied: The Farewell (To Your Money)

>>75122891
>>75122891
>>75122891
no joke that is probably the best answer you could have come up with. 10/10

>>75120613
fuck yeah. that's actually a great idea, provided we don't get too many shitposters who post Cobra scheisse

>>75117241
This is actually a pretty good list. I would add Beethoven's first and a few of Mozart's later ones (22, 24).

>>75122949
>provided we don't get too many shitposters who post Cobra scheisse
further proof Cobra is underrated

>>75122782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9kXjjK3-4

>>75122782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMTJiy1cc8

>>75123147
Wtf is cobra

>>75123956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

>>75121322
>>75121322
>>75121322
>>75121322

>>75124359
probably not the best place to ask, anon

>>75124359
>>75124414
here at /classical/ we are neo-Kaczynskians and we disavow technology and geeks

>>75124474
in the name of convenience though

Poulenc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcLyfLwkD6c

>>75121481
Frasier is a horrible show
Who gives a fuck?

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Any instrument late starters wanna give me some encouragement? I'm 23 and only been playing piano for a year but I'm getting so despondent about my progress. What should someone in my position be doing in terms of daily practice? Apart from uni I take it quite seriously. I would love to be playing some advanced pieces in about 4-5 years such as Chopin etudes and ballads

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oi

>>75126078
http://www.pianopractice.org/book.pdf

>>75126078
I'm 18 now
I started piano/music in general when i was 16, played it half assed for about a year (30 min per day), then really nerded it for half a year where I practiced minimum 2-3 hours a day.
I went to a kinda "dropout school" where I would play in a band all day but it was only pop/rock and very half-assed. When I got home I would try to get as many 1 hour sessions packed in as possible, so I would get at least 2 hours of classical practice a day. I'm practically self-taught at piano, and I would mostly just practice pieces. My technique isn't very good, but most plebs and even some musicians I meet think that I've been playing for 6+ years. So you can definitely get somewhere pretty fast.
In terms of practicing I would say first of all get a teacher.
Remember to do your scales and arpeggios as well as other technique exercises. I only did scales and I wish I had done my arpeggios.
https://www.pianoscales.org/major.html

Remember to practice slow and in sessions. Even though playing through a piece in entirety is what I find most enjoyable when practicing, playing the piece in slow sessions is much more effective.

Listen a lot to the piece you're practicing to make sure you're getting everything right.
Nothing more annoying than having to go back in a piece because you're new to sheet music.

C.P.E. Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vog7Aufuvgg

>>75127366
Thanks for the response. I do have a teacher however I want to find someone more strict and give more direction. What are some good pieces you can play?

>>75127643
I'm well-regarded for my interpretation of Minuet in G Major, by Christian Petzold

>>75127366
how did you find/decide what piece to start practicing next without a teacher though? did you have a book or something?

>>75127732
r u ghost of petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFV-zW-dn9g

>>75128775
Not him, but you could look at the RCM or ABRSM syllabus, I guess.

Recommend me dutch composers.

>"perfect Kindertotenlieder performances don't exi-"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxKt-8Gdx-4

>>75130231
Michel van der Aa is an interesting modern composer.

>>75130333
>Kindertotenlieder
didn't mahler pay homage to mussorgsky's songs and dances of death

>>75116944
how [spoiler]long[/spoiler] does this usually end up being for you?

>>75125514
apox on you my dear fellow

>>75130231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKn3XGK4eHo

Shosty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ3HyFdmTvE

>>75119586
Bach's Mass easily

https://youtu.be/4wbKyA4PqVQ?t=18m52s

Why is this so addicting? It's just so pleasurable and easy to listen to, especially the third movement.

Post comfy vids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlt4913an7g

brump

>>75134120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFlyKTyFfrs

That 1944 Gieseking Emperor concerto is really neat

>>75130488
I like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0grrf4vxA

>>75132206
That's an old ass organ.
I only recently got into organ music, and it is very nice to listen to different temperaments on it.

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Dinner party classical music, pref string heavy. I'll give you this pic in return

>>75130333

waaaay too slow, very unmahlery

>>75134850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgg4eF2mNk

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>>75134850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG0bgq9wnRE

>>75134850

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X7a997aWeY

>>75134808
yeah, it's nice

kinda wish i had the uncompressed source again, though. would like to attempt to balance it better

>>75131640

Christ. This is exactly how you would expect a pretentious ass Frasier fan to speak.

Literally every episode is like this:
>"Why Niles, I haven't seen you so incensed since '96, when the operahouse scrapped their annual production of 'Don Giovani' from the calendar!"
>*canned laughter*
>"But Frasier, don't you remember last year's April Fools Day when you switched the disk from my copy of the Berlin Symphony playing Bach's Symphony in D Major with that of "The Simpsons Do the Bartman" as a practical joke?
>*canned laughter*
>"I'm afraid not Niles. We all know what excessive sherry consumption does to my memory and sense of comedic timing. What exactly was your reaction?"
>"Well Frasier, let's just say that it's a good thing I'm a Jungian and not a Freudian like yourself. Oh, and that it wasn't Eddie who defecated in your Armani loafers after all."
>*canned roaring applause and hollering*

Literally the Big Bang Theory of the 90s

>>75137107
lel

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>>75122782
>tfw still a no-coiner

Are there any other versions of Dies Irae?
i've listened to:
Berlioz
Mozart
Zelenka
Dvorak
Verdi
Cherubini

>>75137107
That was good. You should be a sitcom writer.

>>75134850
Haydn String quartets.
All of them.

>>75137534
https://youtu.be/AO7xz7qTrlI?t=406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6aFh1y9Jow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPGBBo6p_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qPZNX5UtE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsvgbY7epY
Is this the cutest piece of music to exist?

>>75114379
at least 4 hours a day in one sitting

>>75139392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QV2ADmf1o

You can't outcute or outcharm Faure

>>75139526
this desu
manly

>>75121908
Ok thanks

>>75139574
Based manly faure poster

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>>75134120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDl1vjJwBLc

>>75135036
>>75135326
>>75135494
>>75137931
Thanks guys. Actually appreciate you, despite not knowing who you actually are.

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Now that Youtube has full albums uploaded at Opus 160kb/s, it's super easy to find almost anything.

Here's what I do now:

>Follow a reviewer or seek out reviews on Amazon or somewhere for an album you're interested in

>Search Youtube for the artist, filter by Channel, select the one that says X - Topic

>Click Albums

>Bam, you've got CDs and full fucking boxsets arranged in playlists automatically

I don't even know why people bother with Spotify or radio anymore. It's especially great if you're browsing different performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdudICa-88&list=PLZj4RadToGJgXcTBFVabzF2bRFxsut5ow

>>75134120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36l7eVXvZc

>>75137107
Hahahahaha.

Seriously, though. Frasier was a very cleverly written show and referenced stuff like opera and classical music in a manner that no American television show, mainstream or otherwise, has done since.

>>75134120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY3fcJzNwGA

More Opera related links/posts?
Or ballets


much appreciated

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>>75140456

Excellent, this works perfectly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-id9XL1QNDc&list=PLitIc__XtyjYDctvpVLA_TocV-fxSfbn_

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13927033

who are some right wing composers besides wagner?

>>75142464
The answer is Shostakovich and it's not even close.

>>75143063
Don't all the composers who support royalty and traditional values count as right wing? pretty much everyone pre 1800?

>>75143063
good meme

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SPECTRALISM IS SO COOL

>>75143427
yeah

>>75143427
Just shows how stupid such political classifications are. They weren't traditional values at the time they were current values.

>>75143063
Stravinsky, John Adams, Franz Lehar, the lost goes on....
.

>>75143063
Wagner, the epitome of progressive music. His work literally embodies radical anti-traditionalism is fucking right wing... but, hey, he's like anti-semitic and shit so it counts.

Just discovered Chopin's wistful beauty.
Now, which is the "best" or favourite performer of his pieces in your opinion?
Rubinstein? Moravec?
Also post favourite nocturne:
For me, it's op. 55 nr. 1 in F

>>75144171
right, I just wanted to avoid him being mentioned.

what did beethoven mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cxv7AnLYG4&t=738

>>75144520
i think he had to pee

>>75144520
Fucking dropped

>>75125514
fuck you , you fucking fuck

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>mahl-

>>75143063
Schoenberg and Stravinsky have been monarchists for their entire lives (surprising, since they were still monarchists as Hollywood-dwellers in the '50s).
Webern sympathized with the Nazi regime.
Pfeiffer was a Nazi collaborator.
Ives was a manly American no-bullshit man.
Puccini was basically an anarcho-capitalist, extremely individualist.

In none of these composers their political inclinations really matter (Schoenberg and Webern might be the weirdest ones in this bunch, no one ever expects it).

Mozart a cute! A CUTE!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciFTP_KRy4

>>75144343
>op. 55 nr. 1 in F
Also my favorite. Like op. 9 no. 1 a lot too, more so than no. 2. I've heard it so much over the years that I kind of started to hate it.

>>75145082
You mean Pfitzner

>>75145239
or even Pfitzner

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sup, guys

i was hearing chopin's the nocturne and i simply loved that song

gotta love classical

can you rec more like that?

>>75145482
ayy im lauguinmg

>>75144343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWyzjWZ18M

>>75145482
lol
>>75145550
lol

>>75145482
Try the glorious and harmonic output of Petzold

>>75145082
wtf is 'American no-bullshit man' suppose to be? what political ideology even is that shit?

Also, I need citations on Schoenberg being a monarchist, I expected that from stravinsky.

>individualist
>ancap
thats cute kiddo

>>75145733
Just search "Schoenberg monarchist" and you'll find plenty of sources

>>75145733
>wtf is 'American no-bullshit man' suppose to be? what political ideology even is that shit?

Machist-type who overused the term "sissy" and tried to be as viril as possible. He also rejected every type of sentimentalism.
For Schoenberg, read "My Attitude toward Politics" (1950). In it he talks about him being a staunch monarchist, his self-identification with the bourgeoisie and his anti-comunist tendencies.

>thats cute kiddo
You're very confused, my politically ignorant friend.

>>75144343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5X4XDrsOlI

>>75145551
>>75146795
Thanks guys, appreciated

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Anyone else think this dude is vastly overrated?
None of his interpretations is above average, but somehow a lot of people love him.
Sure he is good technic-wise but his expression is nonexistent.

What makes him so popular with "normies"? Is it just the "oh, he Chinese!" factor?

>>75147729
>Anyone else think this dude is vastly overrated?
Practically everyone who isn't a normalfag hates the guy, I've found.

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>>75114318
based Richter playing this jewish masterpiece
https://youtu.be/xXpT8guRAN0?t=19m45s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3BKHmr_f2E
>1929

>>75144520
It's actually pretty funny

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You can't argue with this.

>>75148765
pls dont bully the viola

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>>75148765
Where's the English horn?
Should at least top tier imo

>>75148910
interchangeable with oboe.

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>>75144520
>5 seconds in
>FAT THICK GERMAN CHORD
>stop it

>>75148765
guitar: cool tier
PC: 2complex4you tier

>>75148765
how will viola players ever recover

>David Maslanka is dead
https://soundcloud.com/maslanka-press/liberation
Modern composers discussion?

The thickness and fullness of viola's middle registers makes it a better instrument than violin. The fact that there are very few masterpiece composed for violas should be a great incentive for composers.

>>75149487
cello is the superior THICC-poster
violin is pure!

>>75149487
composers didn't compose for it for a good reason

smooth, thick, warm violas > high pitched, screeching violins

>>75149620
yeah, that's why all best composers in the world avoided violas

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be careful
> the viola was Bach’s favorite instrument to play in chamber music, because he enjoyed playing in the center of the harmony.
http://studio.americanviolasociety.org/studio2/2014/02/18/js-bachs-influence-on-the-viola-throughout-the-baroque-era/

>>75149631
>>75149589
Composer used to compose for violin because their audiences were more used to the sound of violins, and because violin melodic lines are easier to spot in symphonic textures.

Now that all of these prejudices have fallen, violas can be used to their full extent.

>>75119586
Bach ofcourse, Masaaki Suzuki.

>the minor parts in the Romance from Mozart's 20th piano concerto
>those running scales with ostinatos in the bass

Finally a piece by Mozart that makes me tear up.

>>75149658
bach is a faggot

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>>75137107
>Bach's Symphony

It seems you were the pseud the whole time

>>75150484
https://youtu.be/BJxH_6A6UJ8

>>75148765
what's wrong with rench horn tho? It has the smoothest sound of brass instruments

>>75150682
trombone, trumpet, tuba goes POW
french horn the faggot goes meow

>>75150707
tuba just sounds like farts

>>75149658
How hard is it to learn to play string instruments at an amateur level? I's love to be able to play string quartets and small chamber music pieces with friends and strangers.

At the moment I play classical guitar, and this is how it works: it takes 3-4 years to reach baseline virtuosity, and frkm then on it's about tone production. For baseline virtuosity I mean that I can play virtually anything, but it won't sound as good as Bream.
What does it take to reach this level with a viola or a cello?

>>75149658
>composer playing an instrument
ugh

>>75150740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpG1Ywmbioc

>>75150757
t. I know nothing about classical music

>>75150763
I know literally everything about it

>>75137107
fuck Frasier so hard

Where the woodwind pieces at?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI-wlmMNU6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrpNLX9gSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38rcj9retw


>>75145082
Great art reflects reality. Hippies deny reality. Great composers can see the humanity in all things. Ideologues forever mad.

>>75150863
fuck off with your damned viola agenda

post god-tier composer-virtuosos

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5gOIOKB2k7Y

>>75150707
>>75148765
>horn that low

you are the worst kind of faggot there is

>>75150901
How about you fuck off with your obsession with shiny objects.

>>75145082
>Schoenberg monarchist
really? post sources
>Stravinsky
wasn't he an enthusiastic Mussolini supporter
>Ives
Probably the only genuinely smart man on the list, could see though any bullshit, but people thought he was a lunatic.

also,
>believing that composers somehow possess a supreme intellect, whereas in reality they can be stupid, narrow-minded and petty like any other artist

>>75151009
i don't think he indicated that he thought that composers were necessarily smart or anything. also he already listed his citation for Schoenberg

Telemann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5_ijcweck4

>>75151030
>he already listed his citation for Schoenberg
Damn, I never open any threads. Post link please.
>i don't think he indicated that he thought that composers were necessarily smart or anything
I preemptively respond not to him but to people who assume that artistic talent equals intelligence.

>>75151092
>For Schoenberg, read "My Attitude toward Politics" (1950). In it he talks about him being a staunch monarchist, his self-identification with the bourgeoisie and his anti-comunist tendencies.

haven't read it myself obviously. just reposting it for him.

>>75151092
>assume that artistic talent equals intelligence.
It usually does. Brainlets can imitate but they atrophy and stop learning new things,

>>75151110
>this triggers stormfags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5qgOjnvIic

anything similar? preferably less minimalist?

>>75151129
sometimes you get a Bruckner, though

>>75151129
You're talking about artistic talent alone, not the intelligence. Certain people have extraordinary artistic capacities, which nonetheless are hopelessly one-dimensional. Hence the attempt of the 20th century's avant-garde composers to transcend their craftsmanship as such, which was nothing but an honest indignation of a genius in the conditions of the rapidly changing world.

>>75151155
Debussy - La Mer
Hans Zimmer's film scores
Holst's "Jupiter" in The Planets has similar arpeggiation.

Speaking of film score, what is /classical/'s favorite?

>>75151129
>It usually does. Brainlets can imitate but they atrophy and stop learning new things,
Many composers gave proofs of their intelligence only through their compositions. We have no reason whatsoever to believe that Beethoven was a smart person but for his compositions.
He was barely literate, he could not do even the simplest multiplication and he was a very slow learner, even in music: he spent his entire teenagehood and his 20s trying to learn counterpoint, failing costantly even while having a tracher as eminent as Haydn. To say that he was a genius by looking at his compositions is a speculation that operates entirely on his musical sense, which as far as I know is not directly correlated to IQ.

It's also particularly hard to pinpoint those composers that are genius and those who aren't because most of them were undereducated in everything that was not music.
For Mozart, Haydn and Bach we know for sure that they were great with numbers, ratios and mathematical symmetries, which are all mathematical operations that were promoted in their times. This is not the case for the aforementioned Beethoven and for most Romantic and post-Romantic composers, who were not employing such strict and mathematical forms.

>>75151281
>Certain people have extraordinary artistic capacities, which nonetheless are hopelessly one-dimensional.

I have always thought that this is a problem of popular music, rather than classical and contemporary music.
Many untrained musicians somehow manage to write at least a good song, sometimes even a good album, but to find a band with 5 good albums is borderline impossible: they always get stuck somewhere.
I've never understood if it's a matter of lack of training or if it's just social pressure that brings them to be repetitive slobs. Oddly enough the common sense about band musicians bring you to the opposite conclusion than the one applied to classical musicians: for the latter, they get better as they get older (their cwreer is usually divided in student years, first compositions and then musical maturity), for the former the reverse applies (the first 1-2 album are good/great, the rest is pure shit).

>>75151436
>classical musicians
composers are a different story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NijYtozUHaw

>>75151436
Popular music is a fabrication from the jump. That first album that's really good had so many fingers on it, it's almost always an accident that it's good, bad, or even exists in the first place. Even in popular song-based music, I struggle to think of an artist who's defining work was recorded before the age of 30.

>>75151289
>Hans Zimmer's film scores

>>>/out

>>75151607
>>>/out/

>>75151520
Notice that by popular music I'm including all rock, hip-hop, IDM and derivatives.

>That first album that's really good had so many fingers on it, it's almost always an accident that it's good, bad, or even exists in the first place.
For his 13th burthday my little brother got a classical guitar, about 10 years ago. He played it in solitude for 2 years in his room, and ar some point he had developed his own style,being able to play in ways that I had never heard before.
What's the problem? This is all he was capable of doing. He could not shift to other styles, nor he could consciously improve on his own: it was just something that was stuck in his head, and he did not have the formal education required to analyze the musical and stylistical conclusions he reached. I have seen the same thing happening with other friends of mine, and it seems to be a costant in popular rock instrumentists.

I'm pretty sure that this is the case for most non-formally trained musicians.

>>75151472
Most composers are also musicians. To this day conservatories still require a Grade 7-8 skill at the piano from their own composers. Also technically bands count as composers, although they are pretty much always lacking in training and knowledge. As I have written above, I'm pretty sure this is the real reason for which even underground bands always end up composing one or two good albums in the best case scenarios.

>>75151710
>conservatories
Conservatories became a thing later in the 19th century. Most composers never went to conservatories?
>popular music
how come the last Beatles' albums are also the best?

petzold

>>75148765
essential flute pieces?

>>75151769
>Conservatories became a thing later in the 19th century. Most composers never went to conservatories?
The education that is given in conservatories is the corresponding education that was given by teachers and churches before their dominance.
We go to a conservatory, someone like Schubert instead went to an accademy, and Beethoven got academical lessons from renowned composers, musicians and while also using textbooks that are the foundations of our own textbooks.
There is a continuum between their educstion and ours.

>how come the last Beatles' albums are also the best?
I have listened to the Beatles only cursory, so I don't know if I can agree with you. You should still admit that it would be an exception, rather than a rule; the opposite is true in classicsl music.

>>75150863
>first chord on the piano has a double sharp F instead of a G
Why does Bartók do that?

>>75151710
Guitar really invites some very strange creative conclusions, doesn't it? Learning functional triadic harmony on the thing is one of the most intricate tasks there is, I don't know if it's possible without some training.

I don't know much about classical but from what I have heard I think I like chamber music more than stuff with larger ensembles

Can anyone rec some good introductory CDs or pieces? Sorry if this has been asked a million times before

>>75151924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfeVaK0yeM

>>75151873
I didn't deny this, I agree. Although any institutionalized relations indicate the old age of a culture.
>You should still admit that it would be an exception, rather than a rule; the opposite is true in classicsl music.
Sorry, I don't see this. Many popular artists only get better with experience and age.

>>75151924
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Ugv_o2XsJoE

>>75151607
Hey, he asked for music like Philip Glass' Glassworks. We're already shooting low, and I don't listen to Zimmer anyways.

>>75150484
>posting Sam Hyde
>dissing Frasier
>not realizing Bach wrote symphonies

Please refrain from this sort of behavior in the future

>>75151992
I can't think of very few examples of great bands who ages beautifully, and in the same way very few great composers got worse over time. To me it seems that trend this is a costant. Do you know any band who has released 10-15 great albums, just like a great composer would have done? In the same way, do you know of any non-operatic composer (I make this distinction because most opera composers used to retire young, or at least to slow down their creative output, usually ebcause they were burdened by the management of theaters and actors) who produced his greatest masterpieces in his music and then produced only trash in his later years?

>>75151924
>I like chamber music more than stuff with larger ensembles
This should be a reason for you to listen to larger ensembles.

>>75151905
The first chord is a D# major chord, so writing F dobule-sharp as a G natural would be notationally incorrect. You might ask why he didn't just write the D# major chord as an Eb major chord, and that is because the piano steps down in whole steps from D# to A, and the information presented is just more streamlined if you notate the walk-down in either all sharps or all flats. So yes he could have written the first chord as an Eb chord, but then the next one would have to be Db, then Cb, and it would end on Bbb which would be even more awkward because the next few measures are centered around A and you don't want to look at a piece with a billion Bbb's in the first 10 measures

TL;DR: convenience

I like satie what else shall i listen to?

>>75152139
>10-15
You're grossly exaggerating an average popular band's output, because they're NOT professionals who constantly write and study musical pieces.

>>75152686
elevator music

CAN I GET SOME FLUTE RECS?

FUCK

>>75152902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCPj4JPbKtA

>>75152686
>>75152902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI-wlmMNU6c

>>75152902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-y2kJU0lg

What's so bad about Hans Zimmer anyway? His PoC and SH scores were prettygud

>>75114318
who here /depressed/ that they didn't start playing an instrument at a young age so they could get into a conservatoire and live a life of music?

>>75153230
Says who?? I got into one at 22 as a violin player. Now and then I play in orchestras. I did fine. I don't live of music tho. Wouldn't want to, anyway.

>>75153306
is this possible? i thought you needed to have a bunch of competitions and experience under your belt to get into one. do they only take the audition into account?

>>75153230
>>75153306

Is conservatoire the same as college? I'm confused because we use that word just to describe regular music schools in my country

>>75153331
If you want to be a first violin or a famous virtuoso this is the path. If instead you're fine with just being in a string section, or in a string ensemble, that is doable even in your 20s.
That said, don't romanticize it, living as a musician is truly soulcrushing, and the ideal of art gets more vague and hazy compromise after compromise.
The best deal is to be a musician and to have someone else paying for your expenses.

>>75144858
i like his lieder

>>75152668
But this is something that I see a lot more in Bartók and not as much in Debussy, for example.
I see no reason to not write that passage as Eb - Db/C# - B - A
If I follow your reasoning, I could even add an E# major in the beginning and before that, an F double sharp, and the amount of sharps would become ridiculous.
I see your point, though, and Bartók apparently agreed with you.
I also wonder if some editors would change it if they had the choice.

>>75153370
It's an university rather than a college. Also their teachings are far more conservative compared to the ones of american music schools, at least in the first years.

>>75153569
If you wanted to go from Db to B your brain has to switch from "flat mode" to "sharp mode" and at least for me, I would rather deal with a singular F double-sharp than a descending line that has a janky switch. It's actually fortunate that it doesn't start earlier with E# or F double-sharp major but I suppose if it did, respelling them as G and F, then following with D# isn't that weird since G and F chords are easy to read (and neither chords use flats anyway).
I can't say I really noticed any enharmonic shenanigans with Debussy, but I do know that lots of Romanic composers love their chromatic mediant cycles which runs into problems very quickly and you get a lot of "whoops" moments where half of the voices/instruments are "in flats" while the other half are finishing their line "in sharps" and it's really kinda hilarious.

My poor local orchestra plays Mahler 2, once in a lifetime opportunity. I wonder how much will they fuck up. Can't wait for the brass blast in the finale

What's the objectively best large orchestra today?

>>75154110
I went to a Sacramento Philharmonic performance of Mahler 2. It wasn't really that bad, considering the orchestra suffered through a lot of financial problems and had to sit out the season prior.
>those really high brass notes in the finale
>trumpeter hit the note fine
>solid tone
>started to decrescendo
>tone warbles a bit
>SQUAK
>note cuts out early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBuBiFZAc7U
You don't get good shit like this with the protestants.

>>75154345
wasn't bach and handel protestants

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>>75154365
Yes, and?

>>75154447
wasn't their religious music superior in every respect

>>75154461
kys and see what God has to say about your shit opinion

>>75152955
Sounds just awful.

>>75154495
I directly commune with God, but you, you go ask your Pope.

>>75152955
>>75155010
Even though I like Debussy often. I have to agree. Its one of the most uncanny and sickening things I have heard (up there with movement 1 of Mahluh's 5th). Also it seems like it was explicitly composed in Locrian which may explain this somewhat.

>>75152104
fuck you, Samuel Hyde will be remembered as the voltaire of the millenial generation

>the virgin listener: .mp3
>the child protégé world famous composer: .FLAC

what's your excuse?

>>75155154
more like the shitstain of the millenial generation

>>75155154
Charls is better.

>>75155179
I listen exclusively to WAV of the highest quality

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>>75155222
is this you?

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>>75155179
>the virgin listener: listens to mp3 files
>the greatest maestro of one's own century: whenever you want to hear a piece of music other musicians will immediatly come and play it for you; a small philarmonic ensemble is sleeping in your basements, and multiple string quartets are playing all day long in different part of the giant house that was bought for you by Deutsche Grammophon; also for the copyrights over one new recording every 10 years Sony has agreed to send to your bedroom a young Martha Argerich look-alike (trained to be able to play a great deal of Ravel's and Schubert's repertoire) every single night (she is willing to have sex with you, but most night will be spent talking about your lives, playing piano 4 hands and cuddling tenderly: she loves it more than you do)

Why are you still wasting time on /classical/?

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>>75155053
>this is what protestants believe

>>75155329
>this is what protestants believe
yes, exactly
problems?

>>75155053
eternal sinner, you'll burn in hell for eternity for your sins

>>75155053
luther... easy on the eternal damnation

take your non-music shitflinging to /christian/ ladies

>>75155326
I'm pretty sure this is what Heaven is like: to be able to fall asleep everynight in young Martha Argerich's arms.

>>75155390
>luther
what year are we in, 1517?
>but muh traditions muh dogmata
papists, that's why you lost in the first place. they never learn

>>75155446
>what year are we in, 1517?
You are treating your religion as a fad.

>>75155489
you are treating your religion as a corpse, which is appropriate though.

>>75155489
The entirety of protestanism is based on fad-gobbling uneducated peasants and plebians. It's really no surprise that its proponents centuries down the line is no different.

>>75155516
>The entirety of protestanism is based on fad-gobbling uneducated peasants and plebians
Actually that's the entirety of religion.

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>>75155530

>>75155512
>you are treating your religion as a corpse

Is this how you call not being able to follow the Scriptures not even at the most basic level?
But sure, give up the Holy Text of our God only because a bunch of German princes were striving for personal power, while using an heretic as their posterboy.

>>75155591
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>>75155516
Yeah, that's why the strongest monarchies and the greatest intellectuals supported protestants. Damn, even catholic France supported protestants, because it didn't want to be in a dustbin of history

>>75155582
He's too upset Northern Europe became the pinnacle of mankind after the Reformation and the largest (protestant) empire in history emerged, whereas his papist spaghetti mafioso dunghole had nothing to do with it.