/classical/

non-dissoshit Shoenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKcOXf1vENY

Xenakis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01JlqALLUnE

>>74917215
Fat

>>74917686
Ventripotent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MRvDGd02mA

>>74917726
Based

What does /classical/ listen to when they're not listening to classical? Is there any rock or electronic music worthy of comparison? Do you buy into the idea that popular music has degraded in complexity?

>>74917818
I'm a trained classical musician. What I can tell you is that bubblegum bass is the ONLY pop genre worthy of comparison with art music.

>>74917818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4pXUUiSb4

>>74917109
Verklarte Nacht is literally about cucking and Schoenberg disowned it's text at a later point.

>>74917818
Always listened to a lot of things: punk, indie, soul, reggae, idm, trance, techno etc. I don't really listen to pop but it seems to me to be more complex than ever, picking and choosing elements from all over. Doesn't necessarily make it good but I don't think it lacks complexity.

>>74918044
Can you clarify what you mean by "picking and choosing elements from all over." That sounds more like evidence of diversity than complexity.

>>74918044
cringe

>>74918151
Well yes I suppose diversity is a better word for it. The underlying song might be just something simple, three chords or a beat, but the shifts in tone that the different elements give make the songs sound more complicated than the average popsong from 30 years back.

>>74918182
hush faggot

>>74917818
Stuff like jazz and big band swing music.

>>74918182
>>74918182
No

>>74918182
>>74918182
Yes

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>>74917818
I'm listening to this currently.

>>74918011
>not knowing what cucking is.

>>74918044
>4 chord structure
>doesn't lack complexity

>>74918182
>>74918182
Maybe

>>74918182
>>74918182
Perhaps

>Handel - Coronation Anthems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mursg7TZsE&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP&index=1
> Rachmaninov - Prelude Op.23 No.1 in F sharp minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xCR3HjYwyw&index=2&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP
>Rachmaninoff - Prelude Op. 23 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICGqS2UtmU&index=3&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP
>Prokofiev - War and peace, symphonic suite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNPSJ9QEhI&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP&index=4
>Peter von Winter - Symphony No.1 in D major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kph8L2XKQ58&index=5&list=PLu6D2w79TomIwAFhnNdP5pupB7d8wn1BP

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Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL_3DvfqTCs
liszt h-minor sonata orchestration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3b-cPfUwbM

>>74924050
dead
vs
alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_QAoanXntw

Is interest in classical music, attending concerts, increasing or declining? Are most of the fans old?

>>74917818
Traditional music. I like that its often microtonal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI0MCvpD8uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjXEPqNIiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywKxLSPL6sg

Traditional songs I also enjoy, although often they are simply popular music from bygone ages, or traditional songs arranged by composers;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANKjat2bj94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk8Bpxrs0rY

>>74924980
Seems to be increasing. Lots of youth orchestras and competitions for your performers.

>>74925463
Do you listen to jazz at all, poly?

>>74925542
Rarely. I heard a lot growing up - goodman, miles davis, glenn miller, and some boogie-woogie era stuff. My parents would listen to anything from Bach and Telemann to Django Reinhardt, Bob Marley and Bjork.
I occasionally listen to Avishai Cohen trio but jazz doesn't really interest me these days - its good chilled background music, but I pretty much exclusively listen to Bach or Renaissance polyphony. No fugues or carefully composed 4+ part polyphony and it just isn't enough to hold my attention.

>>74926011
No contemporary composers?

Ben Johnston

https://youtu.be/sG4Z8yVEHZI

>>74926078
I will sometimes listen to new works that appear as part of the SOUNZ films, but not many contemporary composers are doing things I like. I did go through periods of listening a lot to Grisey, Murail, Ferneyhough, Schnittke et. al. but they lack the beauty of renaissance music and the interlocking charm of Bach.

Most of the time I write more music than I listen to. I've spent 20+ years absorbing music of all genres, now I just want to do my own thing.

>>74924980
It's dead in America. Places like Europe and Japan seem to be fine, though.

petzold

Schoenberg ruined music. SDF is about to get BTFO

At the beginning of the 20th century, an evil man named by the name of Arnold Schoenberg claimed that tonal music, as characterized from Bach through Brahms, had simply been exhausted. There was nothing more to say in that language, so he had to LIBERATE MUSIC FROM THE SHACKLES OF TONALITY and introduce atonality, and later serial music. Which pretty much killed music in the 20th century.

It was a lie. It was a lie based on a reductionist concept of music. Schoenberg said that music consists of chord progressions and that there's only so many chords you can make and soon you'll exhaust them. That was his argument. Well, IF music consisted only of chord progressions, there might be some merit to that argument though I doubt it. But if you look at music this way: the scientific investigation into generating new ordering principles in music, then it's exhaustible. What Schoenberg and his associates did to music, is to my mind, a crime.

>>74929040
your entire post is a lie.

Everyone was breaking tonality in Schoenberg's time.
He just happened to take all the chaotic "breaking of the rules" and create some rules to work within, allowing composers to use patterns and logic instead of just going crazy.

Pretty sure Schoenberg never any of the things you claim he said. Please provide citations and/or actual quotes from Schoenberg.

Mahler and Strauss are just as much to blame for "breaking" tonal music. Strauss' Elektra and Mahler's stretching tonality - for example his shriek chord in the 10th symphony.

Wagner is the real one to blame for "breaking tonality" he went so chromatic that keys no longer seemed to matter.

Dyens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI55KAtSdSc

Dohnanyi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEVMFKRMTyE

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>>74931030
Dohnanyi.
https://f.lewd.se/2lNUW3_brahmsviolinsonata3.mp3

Janacek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjqGXMOvHD0

>>74917109
its a little silly to call Verklarte Nacht "non-dissonant" though it is certainly tonal

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Best Don Giovanni?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7V2IQx1_j8&index=1&list=PLdItLaHxPEFnQzhFSP5M3SaupD55ve_jB

I've been seeing my new piano teacher for about 2 months but I want to change because I feel she is not strict enough. How do I tell her this?

Lil' Jacob released a new music video and it's my time to take a one step further down my crippling depression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_1HUEvieE

Is this the future? I started feeling that if my music is not as complex, it's a complete trash. And I don't think I have a mental capacity to make stuff like this. Going down the comments and seeing people naming all these weird chords, while I can't recognize even one makes me sick.

>>74933762
i do not know nor care who that is

Lully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iYiY-tDWOA

>>74933786
He is constantly talked about on places like /r/musictheory. People seem to compare him to a modern day Mozart or something.

>>74933833
The video you linked is not even classical-related

>>74933833
>modern day Mozart or something
hardly. He mostly does covers, maybe some jazzy arrangements. His strength lies in production and vocal layers.

As you can see, the video posted above is a cover, of popular music none the less. He does not belong in /classical/

hey guys
sorry if this is wildly innappropriate but
im very confused about 'dowwnloading/listening' to classical music, like the 'versions/editions' etc or whatever theyre really called
say for erik satie who id like to download and listen to stuff from, how would i do this/what should i search for?
thanks

>>74933871
>>74933869
You guys really do hate anything non-classical. I posted it here talking about a composition in general, since I know /comp/ is dead and a lot of you are music students.

>>74933933
yeah we only care about classical composition. What else did you expect from /classical/? We don't hate him, we just don't care about him.

Jazz chords belong in /jazz/. Call us when mr Collier starts writing his own music and getting it performed by classical performers. He may know about 'negative harmony', but does he know how to write a fugue?

>>74934062
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped going to /classical/ and /comp/ before it died. Goodbye.

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>>74934123

>>74934062
Pretentious pleb spotted.

>>74934278
he already left, see >>74934123

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>>74917818
>Is there any rock or electronic music worthy of comparison?

>>74929040
>Arnold Schoenberg claimed that tonal music, as characterized from Bach through Brahms, had simply been exhausted
He's been quoted saying "There is still plenty of good music to be written in C Major", the exact opposite, you fuck. Everything you said is provably wrong. lol

>>74929679
>Wagner is the real one to blame for "breaking tonality" he went so chromatic that keys no longer seemed to matter.

Didn't Bach already do that?

>>74935732
Tonality is more like an artificial system imposed on music at the start of the baroque which people have been struggling to work within or escape from ever since. Except in the classical era when they loved that shit and they believed they were imitating the regularity of greco-roman music, which they actually knew nothing about.

>>74935732
Bach never went as far as Wagner. He definitely has some chromatic passages, but usually heads back to standard harmony and keys before too long.

>>74917818
Mostly Zappa, punk and 1940s big band jazz.

Music from different traditions can be compared, but only in technical terms. It generally doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the music, however. Classical music isn't popular music isn't Indian raga isn't . It's largely fruitless cultural ladder climbing, like when people try to make out that video game soundtracks or heavy metal are "the new classical". It's stupid.

And yes, popular music has demonstrably been simplified, although by its nature it was never particularly complex. Compare any popular song from the 1930s with one from the 2010s, it's almopst guaranteed that the former will be an actual composition while the latter will be a four bar drum loop with sound effects and extremely basic chord sequences (note sequences and not progressions, because they don't use functional harmony). Simplification of the music may be correlated with the increase in elaborateness of music videos from the 1980s onwards. Hip hop also shoulders some of the responsibility, its format has become standard for almost all western pop music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aYNWxJ2KEc

>>74933277
You're not strict enough.

>>74933924
Get a bunch and keep the ones that sound better to you.

Gould

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YnkAQg0lY

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>mfw someone uses the sustain pedal in Bach

Bach never wrote music to use a sustain pedal, the sustain pedal did not exist in Bach's time, and any pianist that uses pedal in Bach (with the minor exception of the A minor fugue in Book 1 of the WTC which was expressly written for Organ) is doing a great disservice to the music of Bach.

It is the equivalent of trying to talk with one's mouth full. Bach's music demands clarity and articulation, and when lesser pianists rely on the sustain pedal, they are betraying Bach not just the composer, but Bach the Man as well.

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>>74938363
This. Or better yet, don't play Bach on an instrument that he's never even fucking seen in his life.

>>74938363
>>74938429
this
or better yet don't play bach

>>74938447
this just play petzold xdddDdXDd

>>74938429
even that isn't a satisfactory argument because an instrument such as the harpsichord, though better suited for the Goldberg Variations or Italian Concerto, is not the proper instrument for the Well Tempered Clavier due to the markings of "appoggiatura" throughout. A harpsichord cannot replicate an appoggiatura due to the lack of dynamics on the instrument.

The clavichord (Bach's favorite instrument), the piano, and the Organ are the best instruments for WTC.

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>>74938659
>A harpsichord cannot replicate an appoggiatura due to the lack of dynamics on the instrument.
lol

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>>74938761
t. guy who doesn't play keyboard

>>>/out/

>>74938792
>keyboard is the only classical instrument
>>>/x/

>>74938830
excellent post, solid point
this anon will go places

>>74938830
>"keyboard" only refers to one instrument
uh, no.

best recording of Borodin 2th string quartet?

>>74938911
>he can't comprehend people referring to a category of instrument as a singular

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M5n3oWhyTQ

>>74929040
>>74929679
wagner vs schönberg is like ptolemaic vs copernican mindset.

even if wagner technically contributed to the paradigm shift, his music was still ptolemaic (human as center/focus of the musical universe).
a pure copernican composer pursues the idea that there can be autonomous music without a special relation to human bio-reality.

>>74938659
Harpsifags BTFO

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>>74940867
SHUT THE FUCK UP HARPSICHORD ARE GREAT THEY CAN IMITATE DYNAMICS BY SLAMMING DOWN CHORD CLUSTERS

>>74940957
>they can create dynamics by altering the music and the intent of the work

An appoggiatura cannot be replicated on a harpsichord, period. It requires the player to contrast two notes at differing volumes, which can't be done on a harpsichord.

baka desu senpai

Vivaldi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRv_yoET-mA

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>>74941659
Terrible fucking interpretation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmPQ2eZVn7g

>>74942292
My desires kindly bend towards the intimate ravenous excavation I would inflict to this anime individual

>>74942403
In the ass

>>74942292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U

fuck you

>>74942403
Your remarks are much like the interpretations you favor: overworked and awkwardly emphasised to the point of incomprehension.

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>>74942403
>>74942695
What?
>>74942814
Does the player have Downs? Why is he playing allegro like andante?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMR8WTsEXGQ

>>74942933
Because in baroque times they was only one tempo and andante, allegro, etc referred to the character of the piece

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>>74943015
lol no

Rec me some pieces/performances with boys choir pls

>>74943100
Ramin's cycle of bach cantatas

>>74943126
Lol Ramin is he a noodle

Why is there so few recordings of Händel's keyboard pieces?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KKGowYpxzj4
For instance, this is the only harpsichord recording of this suite I could find on YouTube.

>>74943759
Because they suck lol.

rec works by mozart

>>74944119
mozart more like shartzart lmfoa

>>74943759
There's a fair few of 426-433 the so called 8 great suites but after that they don't seem to bother recording the rest. I like Yates she has 3CDs on Chandos.

>>74944119
horn concertos

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>>74917066

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>>74929040
>Schoenberg saved music

Ftfy

>>74938935
I like Emerson because it already starts the Allegro section of the 4th movement blinding fast. Most recordings start slow and accel but it's a bit cheesy imo

>>74944119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQllEjmnCX8

>>74926727
my ears!! ejwifjaiowhgivohwohgJFIOEWJVIhnwgvbWNBVGEIKhneigvb VNDgk wrgv' kv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whlFwOQMb9g

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>>74938935

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*plays diminished chords indiscriminately*

>>74917818
i listen to many genres. jazz, classic rock, experimental, metal, soul, funk, psych rock, noise, electronic, techno, etc. There are some genres I have been interested in but I don't have time to listen to music all day. in the past year i've mainly listened to ambient, drone, a little noise, and hip hop besides classical...
fuck im still a little bit on adderall

>>74936526
what about underground hiphop that does limit creative vision as much as radio rappers?

Bomp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUOIzCeSIY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kXG5XoNQk

petzold

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Anyone like me?

>>74951970
yeah

>>74951970
meh

hey, so I'm gonna take my Music certification exam in a week. You guys have any good links to help me study? Stuff like musictheory.net?

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Trying to learn composition. What are the best exercises? Should I just grind by writing interval canons.

>inb4 Poly bullfuckery

>>74953310
go to university / college if you're serious.

If you just want to learn a few things, read Schoenberg's "Theory of Harmony" and "Fundamentals of Musical Composition" after you've mastered fux

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>Not paying attention to Furtwängler, who was rehearsing a symphony, Rachmaninoff sat down at the piano, looked at his watch, and thunderously struck a few chords. Perplexed, Furtwängler stopped. He looked at Rachmaninoff, who showed his watch and said, ‘My rehearsal time was ten-thirty.’ With no further exchange the rehearsal of the concerto commenced. After five minutes or so, Rachmaninoff walked to the conductor’s stand and began to conduct. The orchestra had two conductors – Furtwängler, bewildered, and Rachmaninoff, swearing in Russian.

Give me some very dark and brooding organ pieces, please. Maximum angst.

>>74949247
As mainstream hip hop became the pop music of our age it also became more and more sterile, sort of like how rock 'n' roll was the sterilised form of rhythm 'n' blues. Having said that, I've yet to hear hip hop of any sort that doesn't use a simple loop format. Complexity may be lyrically desirable in certain genres of hip hop, but it seems that it will always be a musically simplistic tradition.

They played Joseph Martin Kraus string quartet in E major VB 180 third movement performed by the Salagon Quartet on the radio recently. I really liked it. Wasn't on youtube so I had to purchase it on google play. There's a free preview of one minute or something if you click the play button. It's track number 9. What do you think?

https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Salagon_Quartet_Kraus_String_Quartets_in_G_Major_C?id=Bkmlallauc3zzlne3s6cjl5bcme&hl=en

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Does anybody have this "Beethoven (Gold Classics)" album?

https://play.google.com/store/music/album?id=Bdgt4ztrftf4r3c4wvx7oumffdu

Or any of the other Gold Classics of other composers would be nice too.

Thank you in advance.

>>74954020
I have his symphonies interpreted by the hanover band on original instruments.

>>74954065
Are the pieces in the compilation I posted included in your collection?

How much space do they take?

Why would anyone want a cheapo Beethoven comp anyway?

>>74954140
I'm an extreme noob when it comes to classical, and I stumbled upon this compilation and liked some of the pieces in it.
I'll get into it seriously later, but for the time being I'd lke to enjoy those.

>>74954158
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2122674
This is a similar compilation

>>74954196
I'll check it out, thank you very much.

>>74953529
You want the Bach's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg50ozbZcqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCuew6mIFE

>>74954133
No, but i have two mega link of them, one of 500 Mb and the other of 400 Mb

They have the symphonies 1-9, the overtures and piano concertos No.1 and No.3

https://mega.co.nz/#!QwA0VKiA!K2p9Iwnxgkcb6A_RZcLTZS23fBRUFlEEbdE-RHXBOVU
https://mega.co.nz/#!89YX1Q5I!N6Wth2nZ1UcrdTodz1yauXgpYWphYRsfFi4Bw6uXjJY

>>74944119
Piano quartet #1

first time back in this general in months

it looks like the general shitposting has somewhat died down and people are actually having discussions again with the exception of the autistic weebs who are still as obnoxious as ever

these threads would be ten times better without you retards. enjoying anime and engaging with art music are two completely exclusive lifestyles and pretending to "partake" in both only makes you look like a charlatan and a fraud. baroqueshitter needs to fucking neck himself jesus fucking christ get a clue you dipshit

what happened to bogposter? god that's weird to think about after the incessant quick rundown memes. i hope he's doing ok.

>>74954493
Wow, thank you so much Anon.

Any cantatas in?

>>74955384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emm_28jWodo

>>74952481
musictheory.net

>>74953344
>read Schoenberg's "Theory of Harmony" and "Fundamentals of Musical Composition" after you've mastered fux

And then what?
What are the most important books you need to read during college to become a composer?

>>74956378
>And then what?
Those are a pretty good start if you're not at college/uni.
Studying composition at University is much more than just reading books (in fact, there was very little of that). Its mostly studying scores and trying out actually composing for real players.

Our composition classes consisted of score study, including listening to the music. Everything from Palestrina to Vivaldi to Bartok and Penderecki, and then assignments which were to write X piece for Y instrumentation. Usually we would get the pieces played by performance students. So in the first month or so of composition classes we wrote a piano and they were all rehearsed and then played to us in class.
Its this hands-on experience that is the most important part of a composers education. You can learn a lot from books, and its a good idea to read about composition for the rest of your life, but actually writing music and hearing it rehearsed and played by real people will make you a better composer - you will be able to translate what you want to hear into a score that will produce what you wanted to hear, filtered through performers.

Every time you write a piece and get it played by real people you learn something about their instruments, or combinations, or limitations, etc. There will be successful parts of your piece and unsuccessful parts. Each time you go through the process of having a piece rehearsed and performed you will get better at composing and learn a little more.

You never really stop learning with composing, even when you're an old man. Often old professors at composition workshops will take new things away or be introduced to new ideas or new limitations of specific instruments or ensembles.

>>74956378
The one book I would recommend if you want to write for orchestra is Samuel Adler's "The Study of Orchestration", as it's pretty in-depth and comes with a bunch of audio CDs which are paired with score examples in the book.
Since orchestration is all about sound and how the score relates to what you hear, actual examples of what things sound like are vital to learning about it.

You will never know what a "dark" voiced chord sounds like unless you actually listen to one, or the differences in timbre when instruments change register, and how you can combine different instruments at different pitches to create certain colors.
The special effects (although most in that book are common romantic era effect, not so much 1960s+) are also very important to get a good grasp of.

Once again, reading the book will only give you so much - It will give you an understanding of what kind of things are possible with orchestration, and combined with score study you can then easily hit certain tropes, but in order to develop your own voice you will need to get pieces rehearsed and performed (and ideally recorded) by real orchestras.

University is great because it gives you an environment where you will be working with players and in close contact with composers who know the pitfalls and how to do a bunch of things, and which composers to look at for x style or effects.
University will also show you a lot of opportunities - things like composition competitions and composition workshops (both usually resulting in having a piece performed and/or recorded), so its a really good idea if you seriously want to be a composer.

>>74955384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39KxbbtCC0

>>74956688
>we wrote a piano
we wrote a piano *trio

>>74955887
Did you even read my post or is musictheory.net seriously the only link that can help me study for this test?

>>74956688
>>74956753
I am actually planning on going back to university to get a music degree, but I'll never be a composer, I'm more interested in musicology and analysis.
I have a master's in maths, so I might not go through with this and keep studying music as a hobby.

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>>74917066
Why does Havergal Brian look like Rivers Cuomo with a handlebar mustache

>>74956857
I'm a troll teehee

>>74957712
Give me a non-plebeian classical compilation.
Preferably for a specific period.

>>74957750
No.

>>74957750
I did not mean to respond to anyone with that.

I ask again, then. Anyone know good sites for me to go to where I can study for my Music certification exam?

>>74957755
I'll go ask r/classical then.

>>74943126
thank you anon, i like them a lot, i'll also listen to his passion