What are some musical equivalents to the "seinfeld is unfunny"

>>74803238
Almost all 90s hip hop

>>74803238
early emo or whatever you want to call it

>>74803238
Shoegaze died with Loveless.

>>74803238
early rock/blues is the biggest one

>>74803238
I think Seinfeld is very funny but I don't watch many modern comedies because they're mostly really bad. I like It's always sunny in philadelphia though. What is this meme "seinfeld is unfunny"?

The Velvet Underground & Nico's ideas have been explored to the extent where the tracks on that album feel primitive and uncreative in comparison.

A lot of common practice period western art music has been feeling like this to me as well. Like, if you look at just those three eras (Baroque, Classical, Romantic) you can hear that they all do one particular thing really well while being lacking in other aspects. Come the 20th century all of the good aspects of each era really get put together and thus they start to feel kinda obsolete in comparison.

>>74804127

It's called the Seinfeld effect. It deals with so many modern comedies doing what Seinfeld introduced that to people looking back to Seinfeld for the first time, it doesn't have the same impact.

IMO, people who experience this should probably pay close attention to the writing to see how Seinfeld is still great

Black Sabbath and early metal. It' so simple in comparison to how the genre has grown.

>>74804228
HL2 desu

Ramones

Pet Sounds.

It was very ahead of its time and one of the best albums ever made IMO, but every time I try to show it to someone even if they're really into music, it doesn't click for them.

venom

>>74804303
>it doesn't click for them
>Sunshine pop doesn't "click"
Please don't.

>>74803238
Try listening to old Vangelis (not film scores) now that we've gone through cloud rap beats and vaporwave and all this other post-ironic crib from the 80's shit.

>>74803238
Honestly, I would argue that a lot of the anti-Beatles sentiment on this board is due to this effect

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>>74804592

Spiral is still breddy good

>>74804246
I've got the opposite opinion, metal these days is all fucking awful and completely identical, screaming gutteral shit is garbage and all the singers these days lack individuality. Beyond just that everyone seems to have forgotten how to make a catchy guitar riff.

>>74804918
(not true btw)

for me the ultimate example is Brian Eno's minimalistic shit. Why was this ever impressive or praised by anyone?

>>74803238
Phil Spector's Wall of Sound.
It's so ubiquitous for those techniques and techniques derived from his original ideas to be used in music that I think a lot of people would struggle to understand what the big deal is even if it's pointed out in the music

>>74804303
WAS one of the best albums ever made being the key

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>>74803238
MGMT maybe? What they were doing felt kinda unique when "Time to Pretend" first dropped as a single, but that brand of indie/synthpop has been beaten into the ground over the past 10 years or so.

>>74804445
>is on /mu/
>doesn't believe a normie wouldnt like something in mu core

>>74804978
The Wall of Sound also straight up just doesn't work these days with how hi-fidelity our modern speakers and headphones are compared to what those songs were actually being played on back in the day.

It was made to get the most out of shitty tinny radio and record player speakers from the 60's.

>>74804127
>>74804228
Happend to MASH first.

>>74805251
>that fucking episode where everyone has nightmares
how the fuck did they get away with that much blood on the most popular primetime show at the time?

>>74804934
It was back in the day when amps were relatively low gain too so you had to really bite into the instrument to make it sound heavy. A similar thing has happened to the modern heavy drum sound with studio processing all the life out of it.

>>74804592
>>74804897
Most of his work is. The City, Direct, and Soil Festivities are all still excellent

The Beatles, really. Most of their stuff doesn't really sound all that groundbreaking. One that has caught my attention, though - Dark Side of the Moon had an incredible punch when it came out because of how good it sounded when it came out (seriously, the recording in it is insane), nowadays it doesn't sound that spetacular because our recording abilities have gone much further.

>>74803238
you are wrong. seinfeld is still fucking hilarious unless youre a child that needs a bunch of yelling and randomness to laugh.

>>74804228
What shows (besides Always Sunny and Curb) are similar to Seinfeld?

>>74805442
Dark Side of the Moon is definitely this to me.
There's not much I can fault it on, but I also can't find a lot I find spectacular about it either

agree on Dark Side. Some good songs bookended by a bunch of bland instrumentals that sound like padding.

>>74805495
>>>>>/tv/

>>74805443
No, you just need a laugh track to tell you instead.

I kind of feel this way with those early 2000s Indie bands, like Arctic Monkeys and the like. At the time I remember that being a very interesting thing that hadn't really reached the mainstream before, but we've been stuck with rehashes of that sort of thing to the present day.

>>74804863
Whenever I hear really shitty generic pop-indie it always sounds like they just took funeral as the blue print and then tried to write music for middle schoolers.

CYE >>>>> Seinfeld

t bh

>>74806961
This

>>74803238
The obvious example is the Beatles. None of their albums are really that fun to listen to.

That said, Seinfeld is still fucking hilarious

>>74803238
>Aka something that at the time it was made was very innovative and good, but now that its ideas have been copied so often people just being introduced to it now consider it bland or overdone.

Giorgio Moroder
Howlin Wolf
Fleetwood Mac
Tom Petty
The Edge
Tori Amos
Moby

U2 is the ultimate answer

>>74803238
I don't know much about music, but I do know that Curb Your Enthusiasm totally ripped off Seinfeld. I can't believe Jerry hasn't sued that bald headed faggot

Madlib/J Dilla. These guys were pioneers. Unfortunately, the "lo-fi hip hop" movement has killed everything they built.

I assume Stereolab - Dots & Loops, because I finally checked it out recently and it just sounded like a generic indie rock album to me so I assume it must be from a time when that sound wasn't generic yet

>>74807293
moby is more a case of being way past its peak

>>74807371
waaah waaah something new ruined something old
get over yourself

>>74807293
Moby fucked himself a bit by loaning out so much of his work to adverts and the like

Rem definitely

>>74809041
the only way to overcome this is to listen to murmur over and over until it clicks

>>74803238
Peter Gabriel's 80s albums.

>>74804199
>The Velvet Underground & Nico's ideas have been explored to the extent where the tracks on that album feel primitive and uncreative in comparison.
I can't believe there are plebeians who actually think this.

"illmatic is overrated"

90's Rock, mainly Grunge.

Pixies

>>74803256
80s hip hop would make heads laugh their fucking dicks off just by listening to it if there wasn't respect

Anyone else feel something similar to the Seinfeld effect but with Monty Python?

>>74805114
>implying /mu/core isn't normie
Holy shit dude, go out

>>74807317
Not really. People just have no perspective on them. Just too fucking big.

>>74809618
Depends on your definition of normie. I've met people who were kinda normie but had listened to quite a bit of /mu/core and liked more than a handful of albums I showed them, while others were turned off by fucking Radiohead. Is /mu/core normie? Yeah, compared to some peeps here. Is it normie compared to the general population? That's more of a case by case basis.

>>74809560
They truly are overrated in terms of their dynamics. People literally act like they were the first band to play things at varying intensity.

>>74804918

desu I don't think very many post rocks did what GYBE was doing, except maybe superficially

>>74809689
They still revolutionized rock music and weren't appreciated much in their time even though dozens and dozens of bands have taken something from them. Their new work though is so offensively bad that anyone who defends it just doesn't get the band.

>>74809113
It's as true as it gets. TVU&N influenced an entire genre of music and its smaller subgenres. So many different artists approached the different styles on this album and optimized it, explored it more, etc. TVU&N is no different from Chuck Berry at this point since there's non-existent depth in the actual compositions for them to be timeless like the works of The Beatles, Beefheart, Stravinsky, etc.

>>74804199
huh? show me a song that has done the same idea as "I'm Waiting for The Man" but done better/more creatively. Same with "Heroin", "Sunday Morning", "There She Goes Again", "Venus in Furs" etc

>>74809895
>non-existent depth
>not timeless like the works of The Beatles

what in the fuck are u saying. "Heroin" and "Sunday Morning" have more emotion and compositional depth than any Beatless song

Guitar based "rock"

>>74809895
Oh Jesus Christ, please kill yourself

The reason why The Beatles aged poorly is because it was copied by billions of people who just did the same thing over and over

The reason The Velvet Underground still sounds fresh and could be the AOTY even today is because the people they influenced did not go on to make the music they made, they were inspired to follow in the idealistic footsteps of The Velvets and make whatever the fuck they wanted

The Easybeats were inspired by The Beatles, Throbbing Gristle was inspired by The Velvets

>>74807319
Does a Larry David version of the "Bait" graphic exist?

But to answer OP: Slap bass. First it was all innovative and funky. Now that it is featured in every Top 40 corporate concoction, East Coast gangsta trap, and Icelandic children's edutainment singalong, the novelty is long gone.

>>74810771
Still not completely exhausted, and few are truly trying to anyway.

>>74810677
heroin absolutely though they do at least have some songs on par with something like sunday morning post rubber soul

>>74809582
agreed, as some one who started listening to hip hop around 95, most of 80s hip hop has a hard time holding my attention. i fear that the same will happen to what i listen to now. i remember listening to my dad's vinyls as a kid and being blown away by certain albums and being underwhelmed by ones many consider classics. i worry the brilliance of madvilliany or the commentary of tpab is going to be lost on the next generation.

>>74811015
>brilliance of madvilliany or the commentary of tpab is going to be lost on the next generation.
Literally why though, if it's not brilliant in their era or the commentary is not relevant to their era, surely that is a good thing and shows they've progressed, why can't you be grateful you can enjoy things in the only period of time where they will matter? It doesn't diminish its value now if it becomes less valuable later.

Trip Hop/Downtempo as a whole.

>>74809582
Even Paul's Boutique? I'd say the production on that one is still timeless.

>>74803282
>>74803291
>>74807371
These are correct
You can't even listen to pre-91 shoegaze and not go "well it could've been loveless"

>>74811015
old music is very hard to judge on its own merits outside of the wider context and against subsequent innovations, and that goes double for hip hop
however i do think something on the level of madvillainy or TPAB is developed enough to be timeless

>>74811080
#notall, i'm just making broad strokes. i'm not saying artists back then were incapable of making something significant beyond the moment, just talking about the overall zeitgeist compared to how far the genre has gone since.

>>74811080
The reason Paul's Boutique and It Takes a Nation can still stand up is because what they did was soon after basically made illegal so they are able to be perpetually fresh

>>74811255
in addition to just being generally brilliant
still, if some young guy starting now rapped in that style it would be seen as a joke.

>>74810640
>I'm Waiting for The Man
Stooges did it a couple years later with a much more abrasive and heavy tone with vocals that don't suck while not being as boringly repetitive.
>Heroin
Post-rock and rock with minimalist build structures in general did a lot more with more interesting dynamics, harmonic progressions, electronic effects, rhythms, and instrumentation.
>Sunday Morning
Most forms of indie pop and dream pop added more interesting rhythmic elements and timbral manipulations while the best has circumvented generic pop structures.
>There She Goes Again
Jangle Pop went beyond using just four chords while also being more dynamic and actually having multiple guitars and bass play wildly different parts.
>Venus In Furs
Noise Rock as soon as Les Rallizes Denudes was already creating even more textured music than was at the same time more melodically interesting with far more overtone work being done as well.
>>74810677
Heroin is basically the same two measures with slight variations the whole song. Sunday Morning is generic pop music I, iv, V, vi but with a vii in there as well all played in a straightforward direction. It doesn't get more boring than that.

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>>74803238
This album comes to mind.

>>74811064
i worry the music will be lost on the next generation. i enjoyed talking to my father about his favorite albums. many were lost on me and i bet it was kind of disappointing to hear your son doesn't feel the same way about a piece of music

>>74810886
This is utterly bullshit. TVU&N has signs of literally everything to come out of alt rock/indie rock/post-punk and their subgenres. The Beatles have aged well because their progressions are far more interesting than many that came after them while also not being as wanky as guys like Floyd or Radiohead.

Industrial music in general was mainly influenced by psychedelic music and post-WW2 composers, not TVU. Do your research. Funnily enough, a lot of the music that did influence Industrial bands were...unsurprisingly, influenced by The Beatles!

>>74811467
>buhhhh simplicity or repetition in music = bad, the only good music is overwrought and ""complex"" with 22+ chords buhhhhhh
I guess all krautrock is just pure shit

Honestly if you can show me a song like Heroin that's the same but better, I'll suck your ugly dick. And don't show me some GYBE shit and try to convince me it's better because "it has a plethora of succulent textural-temporal dynamics" or some other pseud self-jack crap. You sound insufferably pretentious as it is

>Most forms of indie pop added more interesting rhythmic elements and timbral manipulations
Did you cum from writing this smut?

>>74811776
>I guess all krautrock is just pure shit
Never said this. Krautrock offers a ton of variation and complex songwriting over its repetition. TVU offers almost none of either of those.

GYBE is the premier example of doing that style of builds so well. As their tracks go on, the music increases in complexity along with the instrumentation getting more layered, and the dynamic range is much wider as well, so the build to the repetition isn't one dimensional like on Heroin. Along with other things they usually add like samples/field recordings, GYBE has displayed a level of creativity in this style that TVU has objectively failed to do so.

>Did you cum from writing this smut?
TVU and indiefags, everyone.

>>74811877
>GYBE: *adds 7/11 sample*
objectively fucking genius

>music must be complex to be good
Are you sure you actually enjoy music?

>>74811877
Just kill yourself, retard.

>>74812075
Not complex, but it needs to have a level of depth to it. More simply made music often engages the listener through being brash, abrasive, aggressive, energetic. While more complex music doesn't necessarily offer those ,often being softer, it offers a wide range of melodic or harmonic or instrumentation or timbral complexity of some sort for the listener to engage with. TVU offers none of this at all whatsoever at the highest level. The only thing they came close to offering was atmosphere, and that compared to contemporary groups is offered in limited supply due to how much the band limited themselves in the various realms of songwriting (structure in particular.)

>>74812497
>more simply made music often engages the listener through being brash, abrasive, ag-
no it doesn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P68Q17m1Go

you're literally just typing nonsense at this point
>TVU offers none of this at all whatsoever at the highest level
you're just objectively wrong please stop typing forever

>>74812673
>posts Aphex as an example
You're delusional if you think anything on SAWII is simple, it's far more sophisticated than your Velvet Undershit. I literally mentioned manipulation of instrumentation and timbre which SAWII goes all out on. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>74804303
I have never talked to someone who was into music that dislikes this album. All of my friends who like music are in love with it and came to see Brian live with me

You should get friends with better taste

>>74812761
>brash, abrasive, aggressive, energetic
Is Lichen any of that? No, your "argument" is total shit. Lichen is simple, you just don't want to admit it because in your mind "simple = bad". "Oh but the timbral dynamics!" stfu. You just ignore all VU dynamics which Cale brought a lot of. Regardless, who give a fuck but pretentious twats? It's about how it makes you feel--and VU made a lot of people feel. Again, it sounds like you don't actually enjoy music

Here's more bad music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmvTi0EJlMg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OeoVkTDLM

btfo

>>74812947
>Lichen is simple
No it's not. It's constantly introducing/removing a lot of sounds within its instrumentation as the track goes on while also using a ton of electronic effects to increasing/decrease the presence of background noise, full stereo movement, etc.. Harmonically it's constantly adding new overtones as it goes on. Just because it doesn't harmonically progression in a manner the average person is more used to doesn't make it simple. God you're fucking retarded.

>Low
>Pavement
Both trash as well. They make loud noisy walls of sound, too, but they lack the aggression of certain bands that do that style and the depth in overtones/layers/technique that other bands of that style do. Indie garbage is the worst music ever made. Simple music with no depth all for the sake of muh sad boy atmosphere.

>>74804918
This is the opposite of the Seinfeld is unfunny meme
It'd be like if every other sitcom ever after Seinfeld just became a worse Seinfeld

>>74809618
If you think any album on /mu/core is normie, then you are completely out of touch with reality.

>>74813184
Kanye is on the chart and everybody knows about him

>>74811467
>LRD's one recording from '67 that wasn't even released till '91 invalidates TVU entirely
wew fucking lad
are you sure you don't usually post under the name Avant Math God of /mu/ or maybe Crazyaga?
or are you the threadgill guy who goes on about "harmonically interesting" this and that while throwing around chord names from songs made in '67 what joe shmoe the 50 year old hippie at guitar center knows by heart
overtones in feedback based rock music like LRD are at best coincidental and something jimi fucking hendrix used

>>74813057
Funny how whenever you bring theory into the picture the /mu/drone worms just run away with their tails between their legs.

>>74813254
Oh man, too much stupid here. First of all, I never said anything about TVU being completely invalidated. I literally mentioned how insanely influential the album is in my first post itt. The fact that things that came after them surpassed them has literally been my point the whole time. Fucking pay attention. Second of all, I can't believe that you compared LRD's overtones to Hendrix's considering the latter barely had any while the former relied on distorted takes on them to be able to create its particular sound. It's not just feedback, although even then it's fascinating you would compare Hendrix's couple moments of feedback to near constant feedback of LRD...and by fascinating I mean the dumbest shit.

>>74813057
>low makes loud noisy walls of sound
How wrong can you be lad

>>74813057
>it's constantly introducing removing a lots of sounds as the track goes on
So does VU ya fuckin goon

and guess what? Lichen's still a simple melody. Does it do some different stuff throughout? No shit, it's still simple. And god VU were such assholes for not having 90's technology in the 60's with which to insert electronic effects and 7-Eleven samples to please your autistic taste

>God you're fucking retarded
nice projection

>Low and Pavement both trash
K so you just hate music and/or are sociopathic. Clearly you haven't heard more than one Pavement song if you think it's "muh sad boy atmosphere" (that's GYBE you're thinking of)

>>74813265
you're either clueless on theory or samefag but most likely both

>>74813385
But why did you call pavement trash man? They just make nice songs, can you take that back?

>>74813459
you can't reason with pseudo-intellectual contrarians. music isn't supposed to be nice or fun, it should be complex and serious

>>74813385
>The fact that things that came after them surpassed them has literally been my point the whole time
Insanely retarded "point", objectively incorrect, stop typing at any time

>>74813540
Yeah I know, still it bums me out that people can't just relax and have fun to their favourite tunes, they have to fag it up and talk other people down for not following their ideas

>>74813417
They do though. Sure it's often got crescendos built in, and it's not as abrasive as the other 90s stuff (perhaps I shouldn't have used the word noisy), but it's still hazy giant sound crap.
>>74813453
>So does VU ya fuckin goon
No they don't. They only work with the same exact handful of sounds and progressions.
>and guess what? Lichen's still a simple melody. Does it do some different stuff throughout? No shit, it's still simple.
So music can only be complex if it's melodically complex? What level of reaching are you trying to do here? That's the dumbest shit imaginable or very close minded view of music.
>And god VU were such assholes for not having 90's technology in the 60's with which to insert electronic effects and 7-Eleven samples to please your autistic taste
Then they could've added creative chord progressions, work with a more creative instrumentation, etc. Sucks that they didn't and why their music is only good on a surface aesthetic level.
>K so you just hate music and/or are sociopathic. Clearly you haven't heard more than one Pavement song if you think it's "muh sad boy atmosphere" (that's GYBE you're thinking of)
Nah, Pavement is repetitive as fuck and boring. I already told you what I don't like about the band. GYBE is much better than that trash.
>>74813459
Sorry man but they pretty boring. I wish they weren't though.
>>74813563
But that's part of what the topic of this thread is ;I am discussing it from the perspective of one who feels that way about a band...what is wrong with you people? Are you newfags this fucking dumb?

>>74813590
>but they pretty boring.
for you, simplicity is a strength aswell

>>74813590
So I guess you don't know about I Could Live in Hope or Long Division or Things We Lost in the Fire or any other Low albums?

bahahaha show me one musical idea GYBE has done that do make say think didn't do much much better

>>74813590
>calling people newfags
go back to /b/ and stay there newfag

>>74813602
I already said that it is. Please, tone down the autism/or get your head out of your ass and fucking read through the entire comment chain.
>>74813606
Oh I know all of them. You can keep saying that I don't know them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are boring yet pretentious crap.

>>74813650
They just don't fit the description you've given them is all
Also stop mass replying you fucking crescendocore-loving redditor

>>74813650
You're the one with autism guy, the value of your opinion is subjective, read a book or something, you should stay in reddit where you belong,
baka

>>74813673
>They just don't fit the description you've given them is all
Dude ffs Monkey is literally three chords with slightly less lazy than usual slowcore vocals on top. It's below top 40 tier.

>>74813673
Alright I'll stop mass replying, and send a new reply per subject! Or maybe I'll just keep doing what I am because it's you guys that wanna talk to me.
>>74813701
My opinion is subjective, but the qualities of the music are objective and so is the max potential of engagement for a piece.

>>74813184
They are. I have had normal friends listen to /mu/core. Maybe you are the one who is out of touch with reality.

>>74813730
>is the max potential of engagement for a piece.
no

objective real qualities, okay, and their connection to ... "max potential engagement"?

intriguing thesis, what other theories of value have you invented to support the validity your personal taste? Reddit will love it i'm sure

>>74813583
Don't let it bum you out too much, it's only their loss for setting nonsense "rules" on what makes music good or bad. Leave the angles for the shills

listen to a couple gifts from Malkmus to take your mind off this nonsense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJ3qhzF74I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqi4l__r0Hs

>bonus round:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVj1zqbWpU

>>74803238
Metalcore and all it's derivatives ran themselves to the ground. The same could be said for Nu-Metal but that genre was so short lived it barely had time to get overdone

Heavy metal has the same problem in general. Many of the early masterpieces, in the early styles (power metal, classic heavy metal) would be barely recognized as such by the fandom if it weren't for their fame. Power Metal deserves a whole category of it's own, musical flanderization that went from "cheesy but fun" to "absolutely retarded" and their fans formed their own niche within the subculture.

Modern metal's total focus on harsh aesthetics also made the pioneers of said aesthetics bland as all hell. See Celtic Frost by example. The got the idea, but the tech of the era didn't allow them to go all out like modern black and death metal does.

Ramone style punk was innovative for it's time - basically pop rock played 3 times faster than usual, and therefore COOL, but nowadays anyone who doesn't listen to them with rose tinted glasses thinks they are boring as fuck as 10 billion 90s kids (at least in my country) began imitating them.

Big Room House and 90s Progressive House too. Those styles where done to death. Animals destroyed the whole genre

>>74805086
tihs too. MGMT was crazy for it's time, then virtually every turn of the decade pop band copied them. I think they burned out fast because nobody could really go beyond simply imitation.

Now I there's a shitty band that's copying Ratatat's aesthetics, so sad.

>>74813590
>No they don't
Yes they do
>Music can only be complex if it's melodically complex?
No, but you seem to ignore the complexity of VU and Pavement and Low
>close minded view of music
P R O J E C T I O N
>They could've added creative chord progressions
Again, music doesn't need to be needlessly complex for the sake of pleasing your autism. Such a thing as "emotion" is sometimes important in music, and sometimes a simple chord, or even a progression of them, is actually perfect for the song. u fucking idiot
>Nah, Pavement is repetitive as fuck and boring. I already told you what I don't like
>They make loud noisy walls of sound, too, but they lack the aggression of certain bands that do that style and the depth in overtones/layers/technique that other bands of that style do
You are, and I don't say this often or lightly, quite literally retarded. Neither Low nor Pavement make "walls of sound" and you're psychotically obsessed with the word "overtones" like a music-hating moron would be. Please show me this abundance of Pavement-superior bands I would be delighted to hear them

>>74807293
Honestly moby sounded old by the time I was a kid.

>>74807317
I don't recall any big band really copying U2's brand of alt rock

Oh that reminds me. New Order and Joy Division where made stale by bands like Depeche Mode.

>>74809542
The deal with Grunge is taht it was never good. Any Seattle goer can tell you that - local bands of kids making music for their friends turned international stars.

>>74809582
Sadly, this. Digital mixing killed the aestehtics of early hip hop and made everyone forget that it was about mcing, not just rapping.

at least the east coast managed to keep their sounds alive for a little longer.

>>74809618
it is't. /mu/ is almost exclusively cult bands that never get any widespread recognition

>>74814129
>U2's brand of alt rock

Their thing was more about using guitars as texture and Bono's singing style, but I'd say their influence is found in Radiohead, Coldplay, The Killers, Snow Patrol, Muse, etc. Fuck, Creed was heavily inspired by U2. Even Linkin' Park. They have way more influence than a lot of people realize

>>74814260
Mmm, Coldplay could be, but aren't the killers part of the mainstream """Indie""" pop rock styles a la franz ferdinand and the virgins?

Muse and Radiohead I definitely digress. They may use the guitar similarly but they take completely different aestehtics and textures.

>>74811480
Was just thinking about this album today. Can you shed some light as to why this is so great?

>>74813985
>Yes they do
They objectively don't. The band sticks to the same handful of sounds meanwhile Aphex is layering so many more sounds with a far serial control of the music allowing the sounds to be affected in ways TVU couldn't physically do.
>No, but you seem to ignore the complexity of VU and Pavement and Low
I explained using actual music qualities of the music. You still haven't been able to do that.
>Such a thing as "emotion" is sometimes important in music
This is a totally subjective statement and has zero room in an argument with a completely different person other than yourself. You can like something, or even vibe with it, doesn't mean it's not shit.
>Neither Low nor Pavement make "walls of sound"
Objectively false. Both bands have hazy guitar sounds that take up a lot of stereo space and cover a wide area of the "room".
>and you're psychotically obsessed with the word "overtones" like a music-hating moron would be
Why not look it up, alongside other terms I have used, then? Perhaps I have brought it up because layered/or lofi style music particularly that made with strings, tends to have these in spades and help give them the particular sound they have?
>Please show me this abundance of Pavement-superior bands I would be delighted to hear them
Glenn Branca - The Ascension
Royal Trux - Twin Infinitives
Tim Hecker - really anything

>b-but only RT can be considered shitty indie pop!
Nah, fuck that. That stuff is garbage that waters down the real good shit in this approach to music.

Your entire post has been some form of either ad hominem, you writing a lot and saying nothing, and "no u"s. If you are not gonna bring up any points of substance, don't waste both yours and my time writing another post.