/classical/

does anyone know any similarpirces that are similar to the second movement of Chichester Psalms by Leonard Bernstein?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yhnml4DW9g

>>74015186
Start from Beethoven Sonatas. Some of them are extremely entertaining, they're still very close to contemporary sensibilities. Start from the famous ones (Pathetique, Moonlight, Tempest, Appassionata), listen to them costantly. Notice, the challenge will be appreciating the second movements, which are less pirotecnic and tragic than the 1sts and 3rds ones. Also they're all homophonic, which means that they're not particularly dense (it is more about polish, but most of the times you will be listning one musical idea at a time).
Once you can listen to them effortessly from start to finish, listen to his late sonatas, from 29th to 32nd. They're both polyphonic, but they still mostly follow the homophonic logic of his early and middle period. The 29th is probably the hardest to understand, althoug I'm sure you'll istantly love many of its moments. Listen to it a lot: it's his best sonata, and generally one of the peaks of Western culture.

Beethoven's early sonatas should techically be the easiest to listen to (he composed them for his public), but personally since they're so rooted in a taste that is not mine, listening to them was always harder for me: while his late sonatas are esential in nature and can be listened by themselves, his early ones have to be ''translated''. It's more of an acquired taste, imho.
Here's the 3rd movement of the Appassionata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCiFZvjfuU [Embed]


Also, listen to Ravel, you'll love him, I'm sure of it. Listen to La Tombeau de Couperin, the Piano Concertos and his Sonatine. The Ravel's composition that are harder to listen, imho, are the short impressionist pieces for piano and his songs: listen to them last. Also notice that you can listen to his entire repertoire in 15 hours, so give it a try. You'll get a taste for dissonance, and you'll get used to listen to longer pieces (the skill you need the most at the moment)
Ravel's Toccata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbX6NFTyjZw [Embed]

>>74021479
Also drink just a glass of wine when listening to these pieces for the first time, just for that little emotional kickstart. If you're a drug addict, consider to drop drug: they dull you out, stripping classical music from the awe you should give to it.

Chopin is God

>>74021507

Loading up on opium is the only true way to listen to classical

>>74022098
This is literally Nietzsche's and Schopenhauer's opinion.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK4cdluXUc4

What is Showpan's best piece?

Best piano trios?

>>74022986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F75MTeMRU90

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Do you guys like Weezer?

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>>74023124

>>74021208
How i can put music into the folders? I have the complete symphonic cycle of Havergal Brian.

>>74022098
This, Berlioz did that meanwhile he composed the fatastic symphony

>>74022073
>awkward glissandros into desired key

>>74023735
I don't think you can. You're very welcome to start another folder though, and if you shill it hard enough in /classical/ threads it may get included

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What your favorite musical work based on Faust?
Because Jesus, it's like everyone wrote something based on it. Why is that?
Beethoven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpbZ60OovE8
Schubert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY0eeotSDi8
Spohr:
Couldn't find it online, but I've a recording at it's pretty great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust_(Spohr)
Wagner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw
Mendelssohn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkH7hUVSDfQ
Berlioz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuAQAJhT6Sk
Alkan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YrXNp_PDYE
Schumann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQlU7eDe6hI
Liszt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZUQ7yZTFco and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8hVMVE4gXk
Gounod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIQWjSIsDf8
Wieniawski:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8EnFrSp3bc
Alard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9Y0nuYL_8
Boito:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkofiOoPL70
de Sarasate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqahlrIeAfI
Mussorgsky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEgpiMAoTMY
Roger-Ducasse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neofj6XPSso
Mahler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMgw66MnI00

There's more but I'm tired and they're mostly literally-who's.

this reminds me of the liebestod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdPoigJ_qw

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Is pic related the best flute composition ever made? Where do I go from here?

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>tfw finished the Bruckner symphonies

at last i truly see

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>>74026132
>>tfw finished the Bruckner symphonies

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>>74026155
Bruckner isn't for plebs sweetie

Daily reminder that Chopin mastered the counterpoint

>>74026312

daily reminder that you're wrong

Can someone break down the jokes in this explaining where they occur?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQg

>>74026360

>Mozart

all you need to know

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>>74026155
lol dis

>>74024514
Straus is the greatest tone poem composer of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7O9Oa22nsQ

>>74026155
>this is mfw I started the Bruckner symphonies
>implying I'd ever sit through them all

>>74027173
>>74026415

unironically shit taste

I'm in love with this execution of BWV 54, I don't know why, maybe it's the harpsichord/piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKOzYrdO4I
Does something similar with better quality exist? What are the best performances (with decent quality) of Bach's cantatas?

>>74027205
Bruckner sucks. no need to pretend to like him.

>>74027626

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsWgp1uw864

>>74024494
missing busoni's opera

>>74028974
Yeah, like I said I left a bunch out because it's just too much stuff and I couldn't find many. I've never heard Doktor Faust, how is it?

>>74029111
good but not great

>>74029246
I thought he wanted it to be his masterpiece.

>>74029261
in the context of busoni, it is. but i dont think its a first rate opera

Please rec music for someone who has been listening to mainly Mendelssohns string quintets for the past week and can't get enough?

>>74026325
He did in his 4th ballade

>>74029383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfeVaK0yeM

>Ask for recording recs
>Get rec'd a ton of shit
>End up only listening to one performace
Everytime.

>>74029383
you listened to his other chamber music? (string quartets, piano trio, octet, list goes on...)

>>74029383
Haydn String quartets and symphonies.

>>74024494
Missing Agalloch

>>74026360
apart from harmonic awkwardness the measures are disjointed, everything is identifiable as belonging to a single phrase, no ambiguity and thus no momentum. many romantic plebs like bruckner, r. strauss or rimsky-korsakoff did this unironically, so now our taste is ruined from being exposed to them and mozart's joke sounds less like a joke.

>>74023735
Where did you find the 14th one you were looking for? Or did you just take the recording that was on YouTube that you thought sounded bad?

What is /classical/ currently listening to?
>be me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioK1mrZcqf8

What does /classical/ think about Book I vs. Book II of WTC? Is one collection "better" than the other, and if so, how?

>>74031206
theyre both poopy shite

>>74031136
Mozart was just being a snarky, ironic hipster in this one instance. Also, Bruckner's earnest nature blows him out of the water, at least when it comes to composing symphonies.

>>74031206
Each is unique. I think they should be experienced together, as a complete set rather than individually.
Book II does have some pretty good shit though.

>>74031233
all genius has cheerful sprezzatura. bruckner shares earnest nature with all cattle.

Were there any great classical guitar pieces made after the 19th century?

>>74031206
i like book 2 more generally but thats just a personal thing. book 1 is still great.

>>74031288

this line must have made the man weep in his bovine grave

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>>74031465
Who dares to bugger Herr Bruckner?

>>74031136
Yeah I figured that. It took me forever to notice the whole tone bit. Whole tones even crop up in Beethoven so nobody is going to be laughing at that nowadays

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I just listened to Mozart's musical joke and I laughed my ass off! Hahaha! Oh wait, that was his first 20 piano concertos.

>>74031536
DELEDE ID!

>>74031536
plen 17 is mozzarts best work

>>74031423
Berio Sequenza XI

And these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_classical_guitar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_contemporary_repertoire_for_guitar

Its not dead, just out of fashion

>>74031607
>Berio

I was meaning to take out the trash today

I figured out the best /classical/ workout music. Sped up Beethoven piano concertos and the fast, more metal-sounding movements from his piano sonatas.
Any other suggestions?

>>74031423
Webern's Op. 18.

>>74031654
Yes how about you go fuck yourself and I will watch

>>74031618
>Can't into 20th century
you are the trash anon

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>>74031722
Yeah, about that (in gay voice)

>>74031732
That's my favorite century tho. Raut and Messiaen are my favorite composers. I don't like postmodern trash however.

>>74031794
>Rautavaara and Messiaen are my favorite composers

This is what happens when Tallis and CLT leave

>>74031862
CLT probably wouldn't give a fuck and Tallis isn't even properly trained in theory so who cares

>>74031862
Trying way too hard to be contrarion. Those guys are generally respected in these parts

>>74031794
Have you actually tried listening to that piece? You'd probably like it. It's like Messiaen and Rautavaara's more wandering sides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVNuchg0gkQ

>>74031969
I wrote off Berio for Sequenza V and Sinfonia. He's not being whitelisted at this point.

>>74031997
Maturity is trying things again. Few people like coffee or olives the first time around.
Or don't. Doesn't matter to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKrc7w9IU0

>>74031423
Cristián Alvear Montecino

>>74031958
>generally respected in these parts
>one guy unsuccessfully shilling
Rautavaara is thoroughly mediocre.

>>74032090
What the hell are you talking about? I'm not mature

>>74032167
[citation required]

>>74032090
sup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt84J7U75e0

>>74032158
this sounds good and I like it

>>74032239
Heinichen has a unique combination of German and Czech style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-6jyE4qB2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye3o0FFbq-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrOHi380K0

Thoughts on Max Reger? Favorite recordings?

Scarlatti

>>74032512
initially interesting but then i realized he was just a revivalist LARPer without sprezzatura >>74031288

all the vicious criticism he received was actually legit. schönberg called him a genius, thats another clue.

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>>74026360
when the critique of ideology is just right

>>74032564
Further proof that Schoenberg is underrated.

Guys what happened to /Comp/ threads. I am asking here because I believe some of them would come here. I am exercising composing and I have questions about harmony but /Comp/ is gone.

>>74032642
dunno, they stopped in march or so
probably not enough contríbutors

>>74032642
This, /prod/ doesn't know anything but "muh mixing" and farty synths

>>74032656
>>74032674

Aw, shucks.. Guess I'm alone now.

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>>74032697
there's still talkclassical.com

>>74032642
If you want to bring them back you can just make them yourself. The copypasta is in the archived Comp threads.

>>74031190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lXRHZ2fTY

Good choice. Ross's Couperin is pretty good too.

You have 1 minute to name your favorite performance of the last 7 years or i will go back in time and kill Mozart before he can touch a piano.

>>74033704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJIvffQYPA

is this 2013? not sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weEGDmtpSI

>>74031423
Villa-Lobos preludes
Most of Barrios' work
William Walton's bagatelles
Joaquin Rodrigo
Antonio Lauro

There are some great modern composers (ex. Roland Dyens), but they are generally speaking lesser known.

Not related to your question, but here's an amazing interpretation of Bach for guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA5_T1QDDuw

Who else /euphonium/ here?

>>74034153
I don't play it but I wrote a little duet for it and cello.

I've found that there seems to be some correlation with musical taste and architectural taste - who is your favorite composer and who is your favorite architect?

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*outlives his contemporaries*

that feel when no opus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXCwMGxI78

>>74035152
Op. 54 is his best sonata, prove me wrong.

What's the most unbiased Boulez's biography out there? Since he is such a polarizing character, I guess most of them are somewhat unprecise and unfair (from both sides: I can imagine avantgardists brushing off his bullying and meddling with state funds, and reactionaries blaming him for whatever aesthetic conclusion they did not like).

>>74035957
Give us some motivation behind this statement. It is just about taste or is there actually something you can point in this sonata that makes it better than every other sonata in his repertoire?

>>74035994
>>74035994
Just taste I guess.

>>74035994
Solved it then. It's not his best sonata, it's just your favourite one (lol, what a pleb)

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7UJdN659s

>>74036099
Can you imagine listening to Beethoven's 31st sonata and still think "Nah, the 22nd was the good one".

>>74036346
Yes.

>>74024119
I won't do that, i'm thinking in publish all the cycle in youtube. I won't have problem with the copyright

>>74031157
I searched for it hours a lot of hours the 14 and 26 symphonies. Even in russian forums of classical music. Unfortunatelly finally i taked the 14 from the youtube version. The 26 is from a a radio recording (not pretty good cuality but better).

If you have or you know where i can download better versions just tell us.
>also
Meanwhile i was searching, i found a private recording of Anthony Burgess symphony no.3 in C minor.

>>74025867
>flute

>>74034853
Composer: Martinu
Architect: Gaudí

>>74035152
Is WoO 52

>>74037488
>woo

Chill out, it's not that good.

Anyone know where to find the 1967 version of The Nocturnes by Rubinstein? All I can find is a 128 kbps rip and the 1991 compilation version which I don't know if it's different.
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/artur-rubinstein/the-nocturnes/

And where can I find this?
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/artur-rubinstein/the-nocturnes/

I've been getting into classical in the last few weeks and I feel like I'm missing out on essentials

>>74037862
I meant
>And where can I find this?
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/reinbert_de_leeuw/gnossiennes__gymnopedies__ogives__trois_sarabandes__petite_ouverture_a_danser/

Petzold

>>74021479
thats a quite good walkthrough

>>74032196
If he's so good why is he dead?

>>74032878
You can't start a general unless you know something of the subject

>>74034372
Fuck off Poly, that sounds horrible

>>74038981
musical academia reached peak degeneracy

>>74039091
meaning you have listened to it, or the idea itself is hideous?

>>74039441
No I haven't heard it, it just sounds like a terrible instrumentation

Is there a way to filter only DG records on Spotify? I'm tired of having to costantly go past so many albums released by aesthetically worthless recording houses.

Who did the best performance of the third movement of the moonlight sonata?
Asking for a friend, link appreciated

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>>74034153
Who /fagott/ here?

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>my Dad downstairs listening to The David Bowie "Heroes" album interspliced with the Philip Glass symphony like there is something worth analyzing

Lol what a fuckin' pleb

>>74044349
liszt

>>74044642
Sounds like you're the pleb, pleb.

>>74044655
>>74044349
Should I have specified that I meant "recorded performance" ?

>>74039893
>>74039091

what the shit i'm not poly, the combo can be nice but you're just a faggot

>>74034153
>a nasally combination of french horn and trombone

recc me some baroque pls

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>>74045100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOOBpATkN64

>>74044953
prove it bitch. The fact that I like feminine cocks and boipussy doesn't enter into it.

>>74045100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5uRlpiDZwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsr5nUrEGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22E_OqBYPl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzRG-3A-4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Aqf2GTmCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Avc4IETBe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VccwugFx0Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKT76GWaN_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISezbyLtzcg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=voyLno0HdoA
Best piece ever written
You literally can't prove me wrong

>>74045228
>>74045444
thanks lads

>>74045444
Zelenka was a Mozartian before Mozart

Fight me

>>74046382
Why would I fight an idiot?

What's the most depressing piece you know?

>>74023286
Well? Is there?

>>74045629
My dog walking over the piano keys produces a better sound than Mombaur

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>>74046803
If you call me an idiot, I win

>>74046949
Tielman Susato

>>74047097
That's actually a surprisingly accurate description...

>>74047083
Somebody shop a collar and leash on that. I'd unironically fuck Trudeau's boipucci

>>74045351
poly is a huge faggot who keeps writing fugues for god knows what reason

i mix textures and set theory with tonal theory

fuck you nigga

>>74047516
Yes I just want to hear it

>>74047516
You guys are just following different routes. Regardless, we can bith agree on the fact taht teh study of fugue writing and advanced counterpoint is edifying to the musician to say the least. Considering that he is most likely a student (otherwise he would have already composed something of merit and original) there is nothing hou can blame him for.

>>74047652
don't have a recording of it - i literary wrote it for an assignment due in theory IV (post-tonal techniques) in one night and turned it in with a terrible performance (the music was hard as shit still)

it's alright, it can be played easier with some alterations. not my best work but not my worst. it's in a series akin to the microkosmos of bartok.

>>74047516
Sounds boring. Is there any actual substance behind your music? I'm sure that it's just that: texture and set theory mixed with tonal theory. Stuff that you can learn on books.

Come back when you will be able to praise your music for something that goes beyond its mere theoretic components.

>>74047724
Post the score, then.

>>74047719
I don't know, I totally see the merit in fugue writing, but the rules have only recently become as complex as they are (Hepokoski) due to what is, in my opinion, an over-analyzed art form from the past. It has no contemporary descriptions that are anywhere near as sophisticated.

>>74047769
Of course there is, I only responded to that guy due to him being a huge faggot.

>>74047822
Nah. I can maybe post an excerpt or something from something else but this isn't going to mean shit right now

>>74047864
>It has no contemporary descriptions that are anywhere near as sophisticated.
Poly used to play guitar in bands until a few years ago. This mean that when he started there was virtually no degree of sophistication in his musicality. As far as I'm concerned, fugue writing is a valid tool for him, since it forces him to truly think in a musical way. It does not really matter if he won't be able to convert it in a contemporary idiom (we don't know if these are his intentions in the first place), what matters is that it will train him to think in purely musical terms. Also although his compositions are devoid of contemporary elements, we know for a fact that he's an active listener and that he has developed a coherent taste for many contemporary composers, so at the very least he is aware of what does it mean to write fugues in the 21st century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36hdb9cDtwk

Love is no respecter of age,
its transports bless alike
those in the bloom of youth
yet unacquainted with the world
and the grey-headed warrior
tempered by experience.

Onegin, I shan't disguise the fact
that I love Tatyana to distraction...
My life was slipping drearily away;
she appeared and brightened it
like a ray of sunlight in a stormy sky,
and brought me life and youth, yes, youth and happiness!

Among these sly, poor-spirited,
foolish, pampered children,
these scoundrels both absurd and boring,
dull, fractious arbiters,
among the pious coquettes
and sycophantic slaves,
amid affable, modish hypocrisy
courteous, affectionate infidelities,
amid the icy censure
of cruel-hearted vanity,
amid the vexing vacuity
of calculation, thought and conversation,
she shines like a star
in the night's darkest hour, in a pure, clear sky,
and to me she always appears
in the radiant,
radiant nimbus of an angel!

Love is no respecter of age,
its transports bless alike
those in the bloom of youth
yet unacquainted with the world
and the grey-headed warrior
tempered by experience.

Onegin, I shan't disguise the fact
that I love Tatyana to distraction...
My life was slipping drearily away;
she appeared and brightened it
like a ray of sunlight in a stormy sky,
and brought me life and youth, yes, youth and happiness!

>>74048259
>Although his compositions are devoid of contemporary elements

No way, he's the faggot who thinks spectralism and making silly noises by tying hardware to piano strings is a development in music. Also his one symphony is popist trash

https://soundcloud.com/psllbof/sets/symphony-no-1

>>74048496
>https://soundcloud.com/psllbof/sets/symphony-no-1
It's a student composition, for God's sake. Do you think he is trying to make some groundbreaking statement with what is, most likely, his first exercise in symphony writing? Give him a break, let him stuy and keep in mind that he is a student.

>>74048496
Is it possible for Twelve Tone music to sound heroic? Maybe a small segment from Berg?

>>74048692
Oh I wasn't replying to that post, I just wanted to pull up a text box

>>74048584
Okay totally not Poly at all

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>tfw having to perform Mozart-Da Ponte operas in translation

>>74048259
Are you poly? geez man don't embarrass yourself

you know an awful lot about him anyway. he's learning but he needs to step out of his fucking comfort zone or he'll be writing fugues forever

>>74049137
who the fuck is doing such a heinous thing

>>74049266
Unfortunately smaller companies working with youngers singers who don't have access to surtitles often have to do it. But as someone who studied Italian, it never gets any less painful to have to sing the translations which rarely capture anything of the original.

>>74045100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Zsk55I2Ww

>>74048259
>I don't know shit all about music

That's refreshingly honest of you Poly

>>74032158
wow, there's a great flowing feeling

>I don't normally listen to classical

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>this is the typical brassfag

>>74050400
hah. why is riptoe blowing that brass cock?

>>74050400
H O R N A N G L E S
O
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N
G
L
E
S

>>74051016
M O U T H D R A H V E

>>74031233
>being this much of a rockist pleb
Unironically commit suicide my man

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>>74047516
>i mix textures and set theory with tonal theory

>>74048879
>>74049592
>>74049168

I'm not poly, it's just that, unlike you, I have a clue about what pedagogy for composers look like.

>you know an awful lot about him anyway
I know that he is a student, that he used to play in bands and that he love to suck Carter's dick. Also his charts have been posted on this general lots of times.

>>74051702
Okay Gafartsehcro Kaelb Hsul Gnivol Elyts Ylop

haydn's horn concertos are underrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6elnFyuUnaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MzM98LLL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKKMJG1KRvU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iZ8Gb6BYo (this one probably doesn't count but i'm including it anyways)

>>74048692
Schoenberg's Ode to Napoleon maybe.

>>74051957
That's a trick, he used a matrix that in every single one of its configuration produces only triads.

baroque is best

>>74052042
Can you explain that a bit more?

thoughts on epic music?

>>74052261
''Epic'' is just an attribute. Sometimes music needs to be epic, sometimes it doesn't. Just like every other musical attribute, it becomes annoying when people start exploiting it for the sake of it, and it's even worse when it's done in a traditional framework. Whoever have studied mid-to-late-19th century German music knows how fucking insufferable were Wagner wannabes.

hey guys can i get some feedback on a piece i wrote (woops wrong link)

https://clyp.it/tw254rdl (embed)

thanks

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>>74052176
Good taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQE_spaTPcQ

>>74045629
god i hate music like this

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>>74052671
When will people ever realize that the music of the first Viennese School is perfectly accessible?
You know when you listen to Webern and you feel fustration and desperation? That's literally what he was going for: he was not composing for the sake of composing.
Schoenberg and Berg are downright classic when it comes to the emotional treatment of their music. I know that you think that it is just academic drivel, but I can guarantee you that Schoenberg MEANT every note of it. And the fact that it may evoke negative emotions is not a flaw per-se, it's just a characteristic of the music. Schoenberg's life was tough enough for us to know that he is not making it up: he is actually showing us what has been his experience.

>tfw anons on 4chans see a WW1 veteran, a persecuted man, and then, after WW2, a traumatized man, devasted by the survivor context, and still, with some mental gymnastic, expect him to write music in C major

>>74052919
Autism

>>74052919
Dumchamp's Foutain

>>74052176
No.
Baroque is your favourite.
It's not the best.

>>74052343
Name a Wagner wannabe

>>74052991
Schoenberg is not postmodernism. It would be postmodernism if he were to ask you to appreciate those sounds just as sounds, and just because he made them. There is no such thing as narrative in postmodernism, yet Schoenberg's music is drenched in it.
Basically he treats emotions in the same way they were treated in the Romantic period: if you feel anxious when listening to a certain segment, chances are that he was exactly trying to convey that feeling, rather than that just being some sort of boring academic exercise.

>>74053112
>boring academic exercise.
yes

>>74051957
That was gorgeous but I wouldn't say heroic. I meant not only major sounding (which I've found) but not even whimsical or wonky. But when he said "there was but one" followed by that cadence I pretty much creamed my pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKb0Sc2lYVU

Had Art Tatum been a German white man in the late 19th century, now he would take a good chunk of the repertoire taught in conservatories all around the world. He is that good.

>>74053046
Well his son Siegfried for one.

>>74032167
>mediocre
>this level of Polyphony in a neoromantic milieu

You don't know anything about music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70

>>74052624
dis some good shit thx anon

>>74053558
uh yeah, no

>>74054161
I agree, i love Art Tatum and all but imo he likes to show his technical skills off more than anything else. He was very good on the piano tho.
But he'll never be on the same level of Duke, Coltrane, Davis, Evans, Monk, etc. Those guys made jazz progress and they were in search of something. But that's just my opinion on a shitposting board.

Jazz is profoundly ugly shit tier nigger music, the sound of America in its purest distillation.

>>74054387
Go to bed Adorno.

>>74054436
>understanding art
>being an american
pick one

>>74053751
Lel never even considered to listen to him.
Will do now.

>>74054354
What are you talking about? He improvise contrapunctually, and his harmonies are both complex, sophisticated and coherent. Generally his music shows mastery of all areas of musical expression.

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>>74053558
>Jizz

>>74055105
>he listens only to dead white males
Admit it, that's what it boils down to. You guys will eat fantasias from dead G*rman composers and will praise the fact that they were able to improvise, yet when a black man who is a maestro in technique, form, harmony, melody, counterpoint and rhythm you will start shitposting.

Just admit it that Art Tatum is a musician who is worthy to be included in the Western tradition. Regardless, there are enough influences from Impressionists and Romantics in his music to justify this claim.
Admit it, you racist scumbag.

>this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMug0Y4JZUE#t=1m25s

does anyone here like medival music

>>74028226
Nice, thank you. Any idea where I could dowload it?

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>>74055185
No my favorite composer is in fact Mozzie Moza

>>74039091
Not every composer on /classical/ is me anon. There are others.

>>74047516
>poly is a huge faggot who keeps writing fugues for god knows what reason
The reason is I enjoy writing and listening to them.

>>74047719
>>74048259
I finished studying music in 2012, after 4 years at university. I stopped playing in bands around that time as I wanted to focus on composing classical music.

>>74048496
That symphony was started in 2015. The theme is Central Otago - an area where I lived during high school. A very beautiful place of climatic extremes and with interesting gold rush history.
I assume by "popist" you mean the short movement length - which I would consider a contemporary element (something you seem to think me incapable of - the truth is I've weaned out the contemporary elements from my music - I decided tonality was more important to me than atonal music saturated with advanced techniques a la Ferneyhough). The MO of the symphony is short, refreshing movements and 6 movements instead of the traditional 4.

>>74051702
>he is a student
I'm not
>he love to suck Carter's dick
I don't. He's one of the contemporary composers that I like the least.

>>74055268
I'm not sure what you're saying. This guy is pretty pleasant

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>>74055378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eai5dr5kqqU

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>>74055536
>that entire post

>>74055536
>I decided tonality was more important to me than atonal music saturated with advanced techniques a la Ferneyhough
thats just called growing up boly

Why can't poly just fuck off forever?

>>74055733
Now all he has to do is move beyond popist power chords

>>74055669
This is cool but is it authentic tho?

>>74055752
poly is a decent poster

shitting on him is better than the bog/shitpin/mozart circlejerk

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>>74055854
>poly is a decent poster
t. poly

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>>74055814
No less authentic as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJLXyBzMci0

>>74055536
Ok, I guess I was wrong and that guy was right: you really are a dull piece of shit.
Well, at least you're not actually interacting with the rest of the world. Phew.

>>74055185
>Art Tatum is a musician who is worthy to be included in the Western tradition
He didn't write any music did he? Regardless if there's a jazzman that needs to be added to the canon it's Duke.

>>74055575
1 minute 25 mark

Opinions on Celi's Beethoven?

>>74054387
This

>>74053998
literally romantic drivel with a bunch of wrong chords

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>>74058051
not him but kys

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKcOXf1vENY

>>74053998
Sounds absolutely retarded.

>>74058125
No, u.

>>74055185
this is such stupid bullshit. no one complains that a black only listen to "dead white males." do you retards think to yourselves, "well, what have we not ruined and pozed up with our multi-culti social justice diversity horseshit for white people and their traditions, but no one else?" no whites are begging blacks to accept them into their traditions. In fact, it is called "cultural appropriation" if a white is influenced by blacks, but if the other way around it's all "why are you not promoting this above your own stuff?" You have another board - /jazz/ This is /classical/ you faggot, and Art Tatum is not classical. Also, it is presumptuous as hell for you to make all of these dumbass assumptions that some faggot professor probably told you. Why can't white people have culture and traditions without them being ruined and torn apart and reexamined (lied about) by revisionists? No one is fucking with your bullshit. Go somewhere else.

>>74058454
no one complains that a black only listen to "dead black males." **

>>74058125
>>74058125
My god this man is the very nadir of the uncanny valley

>>74048496
Geeez, that sounds like the intro music of a very bad real time strategy game from the mid to late nineties.
Awful.

>>74055185
relax dude, I was just shitposting. Charlie Parker is my boy.

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>>74058565
>nadir

>>74058672
its a valley dummy

>>74053046
r. strauss, bruckner, rimsky-korsakoff, bizet

>>74052919
>it's a sonic representation of muh feels
you would let nobody else get away with such basic bitch aesthetic concepts
>expression of negative emotions is just a characteristic mode of his music
you would let nobody else get away with such a limited spectrum of expression

>>74058849
>r. strauss, bruckner, rimsky-korsakoff, bizet
You forgot Mahler

>>74058849
>you would let nobody else get away with such basic bitch aesthetic concepts
>you would let nobody else get away with such a limited spectrum of expression

Sure I do. It certainly does not make sense doing so when it comes to baroque and contemporary music, but it is perfectly appropriate when you get to the tradition Schoenberg is part of. Beethoven get away with depicting his emotions sonically, so does Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Wagner and Mahler. Schoenberg was doing the same thing, but with different emotions and different systems of musical organization.

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Good morning lads

>>74059027
No I didn't

>>74059124
Yes you did

>>74059086
It is nighttime in America, the land of unbridled cultural superiority. lel

>>74059084
>Beethoven get away with...
dont even dare to invoke his authority to defend schönberg. wagner was the first "muh feels" composer, everybody before him followed autonomous concepts of aesthetics with emotional expression gaining a bigger role after enlightenment promotion of naive rousseauism, but still not having a main role in creation. beethoven and mozart may be more dramatic than baroque music, but their music wasnt entirely subordinated to feels like in wagner.

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>>74059176
>implying

>>74059219
Berlioz precedes Wagner

>>74059375
wagner is poopy shite

>>74059375
and not entirely detached from oldschool like wagner. i know about influences of romeo and juliet on tristan and isolde.

>>74031190
https://youtu.be/iB95Axe1mvI

>>74059219
>wagner was the first "muh feels" composer
Generally that's considered to be Beethoven. Gesualdo might be a candidate. Ancient Greek composers emphasized feelings from what we can tell.

>>74059219
>mozart
>dramatic
he was a pure kantian, not a romantic bone in his body. He followed the OBJECTIVE SCIENCE of taste to a tee.

>>74059428
Fuck you, Berlioz is the most histrionic little faggot ever and its written all over his music

>>74059494
dont know if that's really a general understanding that's arrived at objectively, because one can't call both brahms and wagner heirs of beethoven at the same time. if one wanted to put beethoven's legacy more in
wagnerian camp, one overstressed emotionality of beethoven and wagner even thought that mozart's operas were his strongest assets.

>>74059569
did he even read kant? kritique of pure reason was published in like 1783 and didnt gain wide recognition until 1790s

>>74059219
>naive rousseauism
I remember hearing he composed music. Has anyone heard it or seen scores of it? Also, Kant had a pic of Rousseau on his wall "be a real hero"

Also, and unrelated, for those new to Beethoven's Piano Sonatas aside from the canonical, most popular ones, would you start from the beginning and proceed chronologically? Inspired by the earlier effort post on how to into classical music to listen to the whole cycle.

>>74059675
You don't have to read Kant to be a Kantian, you only have to be an agent of the Transcendental aesthetic™

>>74059732
I Kant even
but let's be real, beethoven was the more true German idealist composer. plus he wuz born in da same yr as Hegel

>>74059635
brah, if you read his reviews and other musical articles (a travers chants collected volume etc), he isnt half as batshit and commited to revolution as wagner. obviously they formed a circle with liszt to shill for each other later.

>>74059732
weren't the freemasons around van Swieten generally appreciative of the ideals behind french revolution?

>>74059675
>one can't call both brahms and wagner heirs of beethoven at the same time.
Who does this? I can see Brahms kind of being an heir, but Wagner is more an heir of opera composers like Rossini and Weber

>>74059817
>isn't half as batshit as (some other composer)
>literally the most batshit composer because he tried to carry out a murder plot which involved cross dressing

What did he mean by this?

>>74059852
Is he right? Emphasis on the "jews" and "jazz listeners" parts.

>>74059569
>not a romantic bone in his body
Tell that to ETA Hoffmann faggot.

>>74059887
wagner's saw himself as heir of beethoven, one of his main essays deals with beethoven and how he's gonna "correct" some of beethoven's mistakes and so on. either he meant it seriously or he thought he had to take the biggest musical idol of the time hostage for his own cause.

>>74059944
nigga, thats just private life shit independent of musical radicalism.

>>74060017
Okay if you dig him up I will be happy to say so

>>74060051
What he sees himself as and what he really was were two different things. Beethoven wasn't primarily an opera composer and Wagner was primarily an opera composer, so its hard to see him as the heir of beethoven when they were working in highly different mediums and styles.

>>74060051

Matthew 7:16 and so forth. At least Wagner was a Dramaturge. Berlioz was stormy faggot who wanted everyone else to know how he felt and all we got were the cheap shallow emotions of a cheap and shallow personality.

>>74060110
>What he sees himself as and what he really was were two different things.
not if one is a wagnerian. the main line of interpretation here is that beethoven and mozart were "failed revolutionaries" and wagner completes their revolution. a universal progressive pattern of intentionally misinterpreting historic personalities.

>>74060111
maybe i really misunderstand his impact

>>74060235
>beethoven and mozart were "failed revolutionaries
That line of interpretation is flawed though. Beethoven and Mozart were revolutionaries. Wagner had his own revolution that built on their achievements.

You seem to be as misguided as Wagner himself

>>74060397
why am i misguided for understanding other viewpoints?
i'm not wagnerian, i literally wrote earlier that wagner was the first "muh feels" composer so obviously i dont share wagnerian interpretation of history and the discussion arose about role of sentimentality in beethoven and mozart.

>>74060444
Yes we all saw it. You tried to pontificate about shit you didn't know anything about and got your shit slapped

>>74060853
all i see is that you try to make it more controversial than it is in every reply.

>>74060930
Welcome to 4chan Sporto

What are Bach's best songs? His catalog is enormous.

>>74061018
>haha i was just trolling, newfag
go back to Schönberg- and Mahlerposting then

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>>74061027
In classical music we use "pieces" because "songs" indicates a piece for solo voice and accompaniment.

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>>74060853
>pontificate

>This thread
Further proof that Schoenberg is underrated.

>>74061064
This, there is pretty much nothing that pisses me off more than unironic Mahlerposting

>>74061027
personal power ranking
triple concerto 1044, brandenburg concertos, harpsichord concertos, cello and violin sonatas, passacaglia&fugue 582, johannespassion, Clavier-Übung II & IV, well tempered clavier and art of the fugue, motet "der gerechte kommt um", chromatic fantasy&fugue, toccatas 910, 911, 912, 913, 914, 915, 916

>>74061229
he leaves no legacy, nobody wants to perform or even listen to him. how does this make you feel?

>>74061166
Yeah I know, I just felt like saying songs. What about Handel, do you know of his work? I am looking for one of his songs I don't know the name.

>>74061265
>nobody wants to perform or even listen to him. how does this make you feel?
This is just further proof.

>>74061278
you're probably searching for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhNRWduBPmY

>>74061166
>shilling this awful chart still

>>74061317
wow its the big tit itallian lady

>>74061278
you're probably searching for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSiuMuBLhM

>>74061234
The thing about Mahler is he's made some of the best music I've heard but he's also made some of the shittiest classical I have heard as well and wrote an absolutely repulsive piano quartet. So file me under "Tsun tsun".

>>74061317
I bet she has a giant bush. The things I would do to this woman... preferably while she's singing in whistle-pitch holy Bruckner

>>74061265
Ha it was a trick, none of those are songs

When the section of Mahler's 1st starts with the dormir vous song I laugh my ass off. What a cringey thing. People take that seriously? What a pretentious fucktard he was.

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>>74061367
>>74061418
ebin

>>74061317
sorry, that's not it.

>>74061382
>oh cool, it's a movie about /classic/
>nah just another vehicle to push degenerate tranny shit
>but castrati are histor-
stop

>>74061462
>>74061317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyZoKmE6zg

MILKY

>>74061453
This is what I mean

Movement 1: This is cute. Orientalism, nice
Movement 2: My God yes! Schubert lives on
Movement 3: FUCK YOU
Movement 4: Zzz

>>74061493
Farinelli was a ladykiller my man. He was the Wilt Chamberlain of his day (i.e., the Thot-destroyer).

/classical/ views on this version of wtc book ii and evelyne crochet as a player both here and in general?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6xpqqVZU4

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>>74061516
plebs mahluh 1 is literally god tier sans the 4th movement

his only good work

>>74061516
Exactly

>>74061382
sorry, that's not it either.

>>74061553
when_will_they_learn.jpg

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>>74061606
>implying
i have a whole other picture for that

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>>74061553
hans pfitzner at the right, who are the others at table?

>>74061553
I'm the guy that posted that and honestly I like his 7th even more. Its underrated as fuck. The 5th and 6th are terrible and I have no idea how they're his most popular works

>>74061566
well yr shit outta luck pal. back to thom storke and deathgripz xD

>>74061665
>implying I would ever listen to any of that garbage
s'wrong with you.

Come on no one knows this piece? I think it may be one of his oboe concertos, I remember there was harpsichord, oboe I am pretty sure, bass, and a countertenor.

>>74061664
>6th
>most popular

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>>74061654
Carl Julius Rudolf Moll, and Josef Hoffmann

>>74061665
weak shitpost

>>74061716
I don't know I thought after the 5th it was. I suppose the first would be and then the 6th? Maybe the 4th? But its definitely one of his most popular works

>>74061813

New thread, or is it still too early?

recs for some good choral music? besides father bach

>>74061822
definitely not

his most popular are the first two, the 5th and the 9th

the 6th and the 7th are probably his least popular

best Shostakovitch symphony?