/classical/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMv6Y5wvS8

plooomysunday is kill

What do I do if I want to listen to Wagner but I don't care for opera/music drama autism?

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>>73991274
Who is the Harold Bloom as Shakespeare critic to Mozart?

>>73991579
Listen to some of his overtures.

Listen to instrumental versions. Often they just replace the vocal line with an instrument and it sounds just as good.

>>73992002
Is there a good conductor that recorded a lot of that kind of stuff?

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How do I understand counterpoint?

>>73991579
>Prelude to Tristan und Isolde + Liebestod
>Flying Dutchman overture
>Procession to the Cathedral from Lohengrin
>Siegfried Idyll
>Ride of the Valkyries
>other memes from The Ring Cycle that others can fill you in on

>>73992002
Szell has Wagner Without Words

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>>73992074
Just let it wash over you senpai. Been there. We're not all built to be musical.

>>73992074
Watch this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcqrGLvs95M&list=PLD30417EED8560721

Or read Fux's Gradus ad parnassum

what moment did you realize Bach wrote more bangers than any club DJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhiw01FLwN8&list=PLehchsbPp5Z40j2peUaLhR3sF14KO0ula&index=15

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>>73992481
>that corrente in Bach's 6th keyboard partita

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any other whistleable tone rows?

>>73992953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JVmrNwdh0

fucking street signs!

Was Joseph Keilberth a good conductor?

>>73992481
the first time I heard this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36xdMffuCE

>>73992481

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QHYPh0h1Bs

>>73991548
again?

>>73993118
yeah, he was good. he has some Telefunken/Bruckner recordings you might enjoy.

can't really blame him for getting mixed results with Bayreuth, though. that orchestra was a fucking mess for just about everyone throughout the 50s-60s.

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>>73992953
*makes shostakovich good*

Who put the ITAOTS 33 1/3 in the music theory folder?

>>73991274
>books on music theory and composition
which book is best for starting?

>>73993669
Read The Complete Musician by Laitz

Thoughts on Kurt Weill? Favorite pieces?

>>73993609
As much as I like shostakovich your not wrong tho

>>73993962
The Seven Deadly Sins, The Threepenny Opera, The Silver Lake

>>73991579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0O04YbIWHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESmpugzQF0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uka8ykFDw2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HujjNQPv2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNNJTRD1GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw

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>>73994872
>Complete Piano Music

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Find a flaw

>>73994961
uh, yeah. complete piano music. is there a problem with that? nice murakami pic btw.

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>>73995034
>awkwardly glissandos into desired key

>>73995071
No, just being pretentious and shitposting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj7DPGEyAa0

>>73995080
Anon he was 7 whe he composed this, also you aren't showing the next page of this polonaisew it has pretty good ideas for a 7yo boy

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>>73995479
wait really? Now I feel bad

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>destroys most romantic conventions in a single piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzaQixVGoQg

>>73995625
I unironically like this piece. Its an interesting novelty. Certainly humorous but then again so is Milhaud or Mahler at times and at others Shostakovich.

>>73995512
tt

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>>73995512

>>73995963
Thank you immunity dog

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How to into classical? I've always enjoyed it and found it intriguing but there's so much. I have no idea where to start.

I need more upbeat, folky stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aGULSe364E

>>73991579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZc5fvA3JQQ

>>73995996
peer gynt suite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2gDFJWhXp8

>>73994344
what recordings do you prefer?

>>73996385
Tilson Thomas for 7 Deadly Sins, Ensemble Modern for Threepenny, Stenz for Silver Lake

>>73992074
the distinction between harmony and counterpoint is a pedagogical convention not supported by actual musical practice.
t. thomas benjamin

baroque treatise writers who were respected by JS Bach were of the same opinion
>Regarding counterpoint, Niedt calls it the musical equivalent of "spelling," and suggests that counterpoint arises from the realization of figured bass. Niedt insists that "mere counterpoint contains no beauty" and that one can "discern no complete meaning or context" from it. As opposed to pedagogues who developed rules for composing counterpoint on its own terms (such as Johann Fux), Niedt attempts instead to extend his figured bass instruction to encompass the subject of counterpoint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Erhard_Niedt

What are the best recordings of Bartok's string quartets?

>>73996466
juilliard's are my favorite, both mono and stereo (the '63 set)

lots of good sets, though. you don't really have to be too picky.

>>73993609
>*makes shostakovich a cuck*
Fix'd

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>>73995779
>I unironically like this piece

>>73995963
Thanks you very much immunity dog

>>73996706
whats the matter brah, the intent is similar to 3rd movement in beethoven's 6th
>Merry gathering of country folk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtiHVx7UVak
Gotta video of me playing some mozart on clasical guitar.

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can anyone recommend me some good violin pieces?

>>73996727
>comparing Mozart's musical joke to beethoven third movement of his sixth symphony
DUDE

>>73997304
wow, symphony, srs bsns

the 3rd movement of #6 is another musical joke with richer insturmentation

/mu/ should stop fetishizing symphonies, it isn't some magic nonplusultra genre hovering above everything else.
this also gives us final solution to bruckner- and mahlerposting.

>>73996464
>the distinction between harmony and counterpoint is a pedagogical convention not supported by actual musical practice.

why the fuck would benjamin say something so fucking stupid like holy shit

the idea that counterpoint is moot due to the harmonic content is itself a dated view. it is impossible to say that counterpoint does NOT influence how the music sounds i.e. counterpoint can be and IS experienced at all times. now we call it voice leading, but if harmonic content was paramount, and made counterpoint needless, the concepts explored by debussy and other romantics would have no meaning or currency, which as we all know is false.

Viola is just a retarde violin

>>73996846
Anything by Camille Saint Saens

>>73997650
>the idea that counterpoint is moot
T.B. didnt mean that. the full quote from introduction to first edition of his tonal counterpoint textbook:
>in most polyphonic music one can say only that there are both vertical and horizontal controls present, as well as many other kinds of controlling elements.

>>73997655
[Triggered]

>>73997873
Viola is the lamest member of the string family. Who actually wants to listen to viola concertos?

>>73991274
>all those whole notes, half notes on beat 1 and 3, bars full of quater and eighth notes, no accidentals.
Why was Mozart such a pleb?

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>>73997655
>>73997884

Is Mahler just a meme or is he actually good?

>>73998047
He's really really fucking good

>>73997929
haha you're so funny Xd.

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>>73998131
why

>>73998161
Master orchestrator, great melodic and polyphonic writing. Great form, gesture, range of emotions and dynamics. Pretty much everything that makes a composer great

>>73998199
>great
why
>everything that makes a composer great
for example?
how come he only wrote symphonies?

>>73997485
But anon, symphonies are the best musical structure

>>73998253
>why
Why is anything great? because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is.
>how come he only wrote symphonies?
he didn't

>>73998281
compared to the great composers he did

>>73998292
>because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is

pfffhahahahahahaha

god this place sucks

>>73998292
>Why is anything great? because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is.
mahlerfags in a nutshell

>>73996385
The original recordings with Lotte Lenya (she's my favorite operatic singer). Happy End is pretty good as well. The film versions of Dreigroschenoper are pretty good.

>>73996001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2YCz5ZQLM

>>73998313
>>73998324
Do you really want me to sit down and show you what makes great melodic, harmonic and polyphonic writing great? what makes great use of form great? what makes great gestures great?
Just trust us if you don't know how to work these things out yourself by looking at the score and listening to the music.

The same reasoning is used to show any composer is great - because people who know what they're talking about say they are. They might be kind enough to explain in detail why, but often they will simply say "Bach is great - you should study his scores" "Mozart is great" and expect you to concur without having to explain what makes a good melody good.

>>73998378
nobody asked you to develop every single issue that you brought up yourself. just explain and illustrate a single line of reasoning.

>>73998378
Yeah but you basically said "I like him because smart people told me to" which is very disingenuous.

>>73998378
also
>Just trust us if you don't know how to work these things out yourself by looking at the score and listening to the music.

where did you get that automatic technical highground? just talk to equals here until proven otherwise.

>i like mahler because i'm more educated than you
holy fuck

If you want to know why, just fucking check google and videos about him, are you that retarded ?

>>73998483
>the inverted subject inverted in 2nd clarinet
is that all?
not going to watch another boring deryck cooke analysis. fuck mahlerfags and that whole meme

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what's your favorite WTC recording /classical/?

for me it's this or Andras Schiff's ECM set.

>>73998587
koroliov... schiff impression is too "soft" for me but i would need to relisten

>>73998587
Feinberg or Hantaï

>>73998602
I'm redownloading the Schiff to reacquaint myself but it just felt very at ease, and had good flow.

whereas what I like in Aldwell is the lack of pretension with his tempos, and his style/interpretation. he really lets the pieces sing

I actually haven't heard Koroliov's interpretation though, only his Art of Fugue

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grimes is the modern day mozart, most people here agree

Can we agree that the Romantic era was almost completely worthless?
>chopin, who could only write for piano and could barely write anything over 3 minutes that sounded good
>schumann, who could only write for piano or voice and whole appeal is the manic depressive shittiness of it
>mendelssohn, who made music by Haydn and Mozart but not nearly as well
if not for Weber and Wagner we might as well dump the 19th century to the trash

>"you know if Bach lived today he'd make heavy metal music lol"

How do you reply to these cringe worthy metalheads who keep repeating the same shit all the time?

>>73998728
You're a fucking disgrace to mankind

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>>73998861
> "heavy metal music"

Could somebody point me in the direction of a production of Le Nozze in which Cherubino engages in "/ss/" with the female cast members

>>73998861
you just ignore them dude, they're in a bubble

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>>73998728
>forgets Berlioz, Brahms, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, and so on, and so on, and so on

>>73999169
>doesn't trascend the phisical pleasure

>>73999645
??

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>>73998587
>Bach on piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioK1mrZcqf8

>>73999625
>Berlioz
very influential and important but wrote bad music
>Brahms
bad
>Schubert
not romantic
>Tchaikovsky
lol

>>74000109
>brahms
>bad
does he ever get countersignalled by anybody except butthurt wagnerians who project their own defects onto him and mendelssohn?

>>73993962
Die Dreigroschenoper/ Kleine Dreigroschenmusik, his two symphonies, oil music, Seven Deadly Sins, Rise and Fall of the City of Mahoganny, his quartet, and Happy End are my favorites.

>>73993962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xavUEyFqjpo

>>73998728
But the Romantic Era is the best period of classical musics. Tons of musical innovation without the pretentious atonal garbage of the 20th century.

I'm analyzing a song that's based around these 3 chords: B minor, Eb minor, and G minor. the tonics of each minor chord add up to a G augmented triad comprised of major 3rd intervals, which appears to give it its spooky character.
can anyone here tell me more about these chord relationships?

>>74001199
Their gay af

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>>73996706

>>74001256
Who even makes these images.

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I would've killed myself long ago if Telemann didn't exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Zbg2Q6gdc
>>73995963
Thank you immunity doggo.

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>>73995963

awwww, get over here and snuggle :3

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>>74001271
(you) do.

Is Shoenberg just a meme? I personally like him, but opinions seem mixed

>>73997313

Indeed the whole 9th symphony of Shostakovich is a musical joke but its beatuy is that the joke is on Stalin and it simply cuts the man down.

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>>74002110
hm, never listened to it with this attitude, gotta try

p.s.: if you cant identify at least 3 people in this monument you arent fit to lurk /mu/

>>73998199
Sure but he has no filter. He's composed some of the best and also some of the shittiest music I've ever heard. His single chamber piece is an affront

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>>73998587

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>>74002164
>Lutenwerk
So underrated

I'm gonna fall for the Hengelbrock meme, hope you're happy Mahleranon.

>>74001718
Opinions were mixed during his lifetime, now he is universally recognized as a great composer.

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Thoughts on Taruskin's "Oxford History of Western Music"?

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I'm listening through all of Hayden's works while reading Mason & DIxon and drinking gourmet coffee.

Get. On. My. Level.

>>74001718
Depends whether you're considering him in context or out of

>>74000940
>muh innovations

T. ADHDist

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>>74002496
>Hayden
>e
Beethoven cancelled a friendship because of this

>>74002559
But Tone Poems are the shit.

>>74001718
He's not bad. I like his string quartets.

>>74002582
oops!

>>73999653
*physical
Ahhhh, the english language

>>74002151
Bach, Mozart and Haydn?

>>73998861
Wagner would.

>>74003016
almost, the fat guy is actually van Swieten

>>74002151
They all look the same (except the little girl).

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>>74002199
Wish he'd have slowed down in a few places but pretty good nonetheless.

>>74002151
Haydn CPE Bach and I'll assume the kid is Mozart

>>74003218
nope, the guy behind Mozart is Gluck

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>>74002151
>literally just pic related
'acin' a giggle?

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>>74002496
>gourmet coffee

Do you have something like mahler's 9/Tchaïkovski's 6 last movement without being something atonal but more like (post) romantism

>>74002496
>I'm listening through all of Hayden's works while reading Mason & DIxon

If you are doing both of those things at the same time then I am already above your level.

>>74003044
Mozart is the kid and guy back him (left side) is Haydn aren't?

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>>74003712
>wtf is this shit and why i'm here? jesus christ this is fucking boring

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc-ZoKl7VIc

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>>74003712
>Now is my chance. *fap fap fap fap fap fap*

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>>74005079
>>74005111
>actually fucking dead

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>>74005197
In their minds
>the king: YEA, YEAAAA, I'M DA BEST, MI MUSIC IS DIVINE, NO, I'M EVEN BETTER THAN GOD.
>Bach: This concert sucks, he out of tune and is a bad amateur. Please god give me sthrenth for stand this fucking autist

Thoughts on LEOPOLD Mozart?

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Kara-Lis Coverdale - Grafts

Is this good? I'm going to listen to it.

Is there other chamber music that's as rhythmically active as the Brandenburg Concertos?

>>74006639
it's fine
nothing special

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>>74002245
Worth reading. Taruskin is a very engaging writer generally (less so in the HoWM than in his essays) and as much as people have an issue with Taruskin's views on 20th-21st century music, the stuff before that is far less controversial and worth the read.
>>74002794
Still don't get what you mean. I was looking for some /ss/ stuff because I realised that that is basically what Cherubino's character does, but it's an adult woman pretending to be a young(ish) boy so it adds an extra layer to the whole thing. Mozart really was /ourguy/

>>74006872
>Still don't get what you mean.
Francly just shitposting

>download Suzuki Matthew Passion from rutracker
>every single disc is tagged with a different album name that aren't even remotely similar so the files end up strew all over my foobar
what the fuck Ivan

>>74005079
>>74005111
>>74005197

Good work guys. Funny and stuff. Upvotes all around

>>74007113
strewn* even

>>74002199
still butthurt he never did that Rheingold performance.

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I dare you to name a better piece from the second half of the 20th Century

>>74001718
If you listen to his romantic works he really did conquer tonality so either serialism was a Jewish trick or he was keyed into some serious shit.

>>73995034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

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>>74008349
>>73995034
Reminder.

>>73998446
More like "I Say Mahler is great, I gave reasons - trust those reasons instead of making me explain every element of music to you"

>>73998459
>where did you get that automatic technical highground?
Studying music at university and studying Mahler scores in my own time
>i like mahler because i'm more educated than you
I didn't say that, I said Mahler is considered great by people who know what they're talking about. You can either trust them, learn about music yourself and look at his scores, or just meme on about Mahler not being great.

>>74008382
Wow so funny haha xD, you literally MEMED that /classical/. Professionals spending their entire fucking life on understing Chopin but no, they got REKD by people shitposting on the widest trash of the internet, thinking they know everything because they listen to Boulez, he is so avant-garde yes yes.
Go fucking kill yourself or maybe, just maybe, respect others preferences and enjoy together the fucking music.

>>74008382
Same goes for Mahler, Tchaïkovsky, etc. Ofc

>>74003211
>Mahler
>Slowing down
why

>>74000240
y would a wagnerian be inclined to think brahms is bad? I get the Mendelssohn part, because Wagner talked shit about him in one of his polemical essays. Is it the same idea with Brahms?

Also, what does classical think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVo0MsJMOc

>>74000240
>>74009329
Brahms couldn't write a melody for shit, his only good music rests in the quintets he wrote and the 4th symphony

>>74001199
what's the song, anon?

>>74009376
thanks I'll check those out. I was not very impressed with his first symphony aka beethoven's 10th, but maybe I need to relisten to it til something clicks (or perhaps I'm doomed to eternal plebdom).

>>74008604
take a chill pill bro. come on, no one here actually listens to Boulez outside of his conducting, and even then only for his Mahler symphonies.

Anyone here happened to be in Porto Alegre, Brazil today to attend the OSPA's presentation of one Bach and three Vivaldi pieces?

>>74007543
Pretty much anything by Arvo knocks Bernstein's dick in the dirt

>>74007543
But Mass sucks.

>>74009376
>Brahms couldn't write a melody for shit
list all the works with shitty melodies

>>74009512
>>74009532
explain these opinions, Mass is a clever masterpiece. just because it's poppy doesn't make it bad, in fact it makes it that much more interesting

>>74009550
>just because it's poppy doesn't make it bad.
Now that is where you are wrong.

>>74006872
>and as much as people have an issue with Taruskin's views on 20th-21st century music, the stuff before that is far less controversial
why do people take issue with his view of it? does he slam it as unlistenable or something? what's the controversy

seriously interested in reading HOWM

>>74008604
t. chopincuck

>>74006872
>Mozart really was /ourguy/
I don't know why but I always lived under the impression that if Beethoven was alive today he'd shitpost hard online. Wagner would be a very boring dude who keeps posting and sharing political shit on facebook and makes long angry rants no one reads.
Who would truly be /ourguy/, /classical/?

>>74007543
shostakovich lived until 1975

>>74009568
lol shit tier opinions thread all of a sudden?

>>74002496
I read V, Crying of Lot 49, Gravity's Rainbow, Vineland, and Bleeding Edge when I was apolitical. Now I know too much to not want to beat the fuck out of him whenever he says dumb shit. Stupid lefty boomers are mainly the reason things are so fucked up now. They are no longer the counterculture. Let me guess: Mason & Dixon is 1,000 pages of abstruse historical references you have to find on an online wiki interspersed between Whitey = evil and Black Guy = dindu nuffin. I can't even do it.

>>74009612
Bruckner, for he was a pedophile :^)

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>>74009467
did someone say... Brazil?

>>74009845
lies and slander. unsubstantiated claimz

>>74009913
The tibia poster makes it gold.

>>74009930
t. Bruckner

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>>74002496
Why listen to Mozart when you can listen to Beethoven?
Piano concertos, sonatas, symphonies, Beethoven does everything better.

>>74010185
Big B truly is /ourguy/.

>>73995625

I think I might be retarded but what's wrong with it? I'm about 2 minutes in

>>74010247
I had the same experience. The smug frogs of /classical/ will patronize us til the day we die.

>>74010185
I'd say in a more surprising or evocative way. Mozart is something you can go and analyze a hundred times and find a new musical subtlety.

>>74010247
at that point its just boring. The first "joke" is that it jumps to the dominant arbitrarily and its quite jarring when it does that.

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>>74010394
>I'd say in a more surprising or evocative way.
Sorry, you're saying this about Beethoven or Mozart?
(pic unrelated)

>>73996466

Takacs, in my experience

>>74009913
Fuck you Villa Lobos is good

>>74010445
this. they are all on youtube and torrent too, easy to find.

>>74010247
the real meme comes at the end

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>>74010455
hey guys it's that one poster who always shills this literally who composer every time

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>>74009612

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What do you guys think of Prokofiev?

>>74010442
Beethoven of course. He's just a little more out there and I like that but its because I'm an ADHD pleb. I learned to appreciate Mozart the hard way. Although Mozart has some really wacky moments too. Like the chromaticism in his 4th Quintet. But Mozart is more inherently musical.

>>74010495
>being a racist europhile

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>>74010638
sounds about right. feels good too.

What does /classical/ think of Beethoven's overtures, and which one is your favorite?
https://youtu.be/tjG6B7oL81c

>>74010455
>makes short jazzist vignettes about tacky shit like trains
>I'm totally inspired by Bach guise

>>74010726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLO-cSr1qZc

>>74010726
the only good one is Egmont tbqhfam

>>74010744
Better than literal autist Honneger's shitty train

Thoughts on this?

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/68940527/#68964819

>>74010963
wot about these trains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E4Bjt_zVJc

>>74008604
>Professionals spending their entire fucking life on understing Chopin
No they don't. Professional *performers* spend their entire lives playing Chopin, but they never dig very deep beyond "ohh I love this passage so much, he's so deep"

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>>74010780
>Coriolan
>not good

>>74011061
>autists love trains
>cant even represent a train artistically because their phenomenological experience of the world is entirely divorced from anything normal

Holy shit I'm dying

I never see Rossini mentioned here. Why is that? Does /classical/ have something against fat people?

>>74011243
Late works are great

>>74011240
not gonna lie I lol'd at that

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If you can't name every composer in this picture you have to leave /classical/ 4 lyfe

>>74011309
me on the bottom left

>>74011318
You're Camus?

>>74011309
>Adams
>Glass

Lol who cares

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>>74011309
is that lou reed on the bottom left

>>74011493
Oh dear its worse than I thought

>>74011560
You can't deny that that guy looks like Lou Reed though

>>74011309
George Lucas, Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte

>>74011576
It actually is, him and his wife Laurie Anderson (widow?). It was an article about "classical" musicians who love(d) dogs. Apparently she qualified for the list. Never heard her stuff, but I'd wager it's somewhere between Yoko Ono and a pile of green shit.

>>74011793
from an article*
"classical" composers*

>>74011793
>>74011816
here's da link
http://www.classical-music.com/article/15-composers-and-their-dogs

>>74011885
>Lou Reed
>3 chords = Jazz guy
>a "composer"

Its even a stretch to call him a musician

>>74011061
>tfw low iq cuck that post minimalist music that i can copperhead

>>74010963
Honneger was good though. His understanding of scoring was, at least, and I'm glad he scored one of my favourite films of all times. Unfortunately that Les Misérables score was taken down but I'm sure you can find it somewhere.

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>>74009329
an infamous reviewer of brahms was hugo wolf. everybody who didnt belong to the revolutionary "collective" of berlioz, liszt and wagner was regularly attacked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wolf
>Wolf's greatest musical influence was Richard Wagner, who, in an encounter after Wolf first came to the Vienna Conservatory, encouraged the young composer to persist in composing and to attempt larger-scale works, cementing Wolf's desire to emulate his musical idol. His antipathy to Johannes Brahms was fueled equally by his devotion to Wagner's musical radicalism and his loathing of Brahms' musical "conservatism".

>>74012407
The Harold Bloom of the fire brigade

>>74010604
He's great

>>74011309
Top left - Milhaud? top mid - beethoven
mid left - Wagner, mid left adams
lower left Glass (or Lou Reed?), lower mid - old stravinsky? old schoenberg?, lower right Elgar

>>74011309
Why is Wagner carrying a coffing?

>>74012669
because his doggo die

>>74012734
Why? :(

>>74012770
because it was a Canein

>>74012504
pretty good. lower left is Lou Reed and Laurie Anderson. The article referenced George Crumb, Chopin, Arthur Sullivan, Busoni, Ethel Smyth, Reynaldo Hahn, Shostakovich, Moondog, and Henze, and aside from Shostakovich and Chopin I have no idea what any of them look like.

>>73991579
>wants to listen to wagner
>doesnt want autism

whats the point then

Fat Cock Bartok comin thru
.
.
.
sup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb37dJFPoFg

>>74003035
no he wouldnt, he'd get fucking pissed and have a nervous breakdown somewhere drunk off his ass

>>74013453
Wagner was the most ambitious man ever to walk the Earth. He strove to combine the musical grandiosity of Beethoven with the literary might of Shakespeare, and he succeeded in surpassing them both with a product that is inimitable in its crystalline perfection, its boisterous exuberance which looks you in the eye and commands your respect and admiration. This man may have been a crazed lunatic with a short temper, but he was a genius of the first order, and that is an indisputable fact.

>>74013538
thats not what im denying, im denying that he would be in a heavy metal band.

He'd get unfathomably angry at the state of music today and either completely breakdown or would completely push back the tide and try again at creating perfection through orchestral music or something

>>74013538
I'm sure that I've read someone saying "Wagner surpassed both Beethoven and Shakespeare" somewhere before. I believe it was someone's comment after the premiere of the Ring, but I don't remember.

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So everyone on /classical/ agrees Wagner was the best right?

>>74013538
Is this the new pasta?

>>74013607
1. mozart
2. beethoven
3. bach
4. wagner
5. mahler

>>74013615
No. It's at least a century old >>74013576

>>74013576
Me. I am the ghost of Hugo Wolf.

>>74013568
oh, ok. well in that case I would completely agree with you. all these pop music fans dissecting their pleb pop music into a trillion subgenres when really its all just pop music.
>>74013607
Most definitely, my dude.

>>74013615
Well I just wrote it, but feel free to pasta it. I will be most flattered.
>>74013617
Not bad, but throw Mahler tf off #5. Have some self respect buddy.

>>74013655
lied von der erde is the greatest piece ever composed, why would i exclude mahler

>>74013655
Yeah what the fuck is Mahler doing there. I mean I like him but putting him on the same list as those 4 absolute icons of music is like putting Bob Ross in a list with Michelangelo.
>>74013667
That's like saying Bob Ross should be on a list close to Michelangelo because he has the better Youtube series.

>>74013667
You're right, that is one hell of a piece. I like this version with Vandersteene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lscdt9fERSQ

/classical/ - Wagner General

>>74013682
>>74013690
then replace him with shostakovich
fuck

so bitchy

get ready to commit some crimes in the dark of night to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-IAQcgxhA

why dont wagner- and mahlerfags make their own dedicated charlatanism threads and circlejerk there.

>>74013706
I was agreeing with you, that I liked that piece, brethren.

SAD ANGSTY RUSKIE COMMIE CLASSICAL

>>74013719
B-because t-that's what /classical/ is for?

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>>74013712
>get ready to commit some crimes
cringed
are you 13?

>>74013736
Good. I live to make people cringe.

>>74013736
t. 50+ year old cuckold who never commits crimes

Sam Hyde likes Wagner. He talks about him in his interview with Anthony Fantano.

>>74013806
what do you mean, he said "gesamtkunstwerk" once?

>>74013806
>autist with alt-right leanings likes Wagner
low hanging fruit

>>74013706
>shostakovich
Clearly #5 should be Schoenberg.

>>74013806
>watching Fagtano
>2017
I tried watching some of his stuff again recently and it's so bad even when I don't necessarily disagree with him.

>harpsichord continuo
barf

>>74014046
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClyWF4pD2I

>>73991725
Charles Rosen, perhaps.

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harpsichord blends better with strings than piano, better synthesis.

>>73991725
>>74014477
schenker

and bloom's >muh gnosticism corresponds with schenker's >muh urlinie/ursatz

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>>74014500
>harpsichord blends better with strings than piano, better synthesis.
This. Piano sounds like snot.

>>74014016
He's not a bad person, but honestly most "reviewers" of music have no business doing so when their technical understanding is so limited. Unfortunately you see many of the reviewers even in classical.

>>74013806
I can't remember which one, but didn't one of these alt-right figures right a Masters or a PhD which was all about how Adorno secretly loved Wagner but just pretended to hate him because of his Jewish background? I remember reading it somewhere

Thoughts on neo-Baroque music? Any favorites?

I am sorry for this casual tier question but how do I into classical music?I love it but I dont want to listen to random stuff all the time,I want to follow some kind of path.
Please help me and give me directions/links/composers.

>>74010247
It's musical shitposting

>>74015186
create the path yourself. pick a compact form like piano variations or string quartets and listen to historical evolution. or compare performers with similar repertoire but different philosophies. entry points for appreciation: leonard bernstein TV-lectures (omnibus, norton, young people concerts), bruno monsaingeon's docus, schweitzer's j.s. bach book, de marliave's "beethoven string quartets", forkel's bach profile, charles rosen seems to be popular but i havent read him yet.

>>74015186
Start at the start
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Work your way through, see what you like.

>>74015286
>>74015322
thank you very much

What do people think of George Enescu?

>>74000113
if you're going to make a meme at least make one that makes sense you fucking retard

>>74008040
>a jewish trick

funny meme man but come on

serialism now is nothing more than a special case of set theory anyway. that's where my money is at now. one could even argue that tonality is just a special case of set theory

>>74014979
Yeah, it was Richard Spencer for his Masters Thesis.

mem

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> Fat people are stup..

Whats the best free way to download classical music that is mp3?

Most of the files in the megas are flac :/

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Started violin class today, I'm so happy /classical/!!

>>74019415
You have to stop being retarded first of all.
Just convert 'em to V0 MP3s. Use something like CueTools I think it's called. Them delete the .cue and .flac original files.

I only recently got into classical and really enjoy Tchaikovsky. Yet almost all people on the two /classical/ boards I've visited seem to strongly dislike him. I would genuinely like to know the reason since his music doesn't sound so bad.

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>>74019447
Good luck anon. Don't forget to let your teacher use your boipucci every session.

>>74019258
Rossini was a fucking lazy fat-ass

>>74020083
>>74013444
>>74009512
leave

>>74020078
the truth is just about every composer that is remembered and saved from history is brilliant and it gets boring saying that every composer is a genius

>>74020078
I heard someone describe his music as aural fireworks. Not all but a lot of his music, especially his orchestral music is very lush. His themes are so long and complete in themselves that it's hard to break them up to change and develop them. This makes him immediately accessible, perhaps one of the most accessible of the major composers, while at the same time lacking a lot of things that is interesting to more knowledgeable listeners.
There is probably also a backlash. No one gets tired of people saying that Bach is amazing because no one disagrees with it. I bet a lot of people get sick of hearing how great Tchaikovsky is when a lot of people don't think he's great.

>>73992074
Be like Handel, he was a good contrapuntist but didn't revere it, and just fucked his fugues up rather often

>>73998587
>what's your favorite WTC recording /classical/?
[spoiler]Gould[/spoiler]

>>74021042
Don't listen to this guy, he's a faggot just like Handel

>>73998861
they're true, you know
what he certainly wouldn't play today is pretentious academic garbage

>>74021080
Beethoven already dismantler counterpoint worship with his Grosse Fuge

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>>74009467
>>74009467


Hey anon, I was going to go but didn't manage to buy tickets in time. Never thought I'd see a post about OSPA on here. We have a pretty good orchestra, what do you think about them?

I'm stoked for their Bruckner and Wagner programs in some months time.

nuovo
>>74021208

>>74015186
Start from Beethoven Sonatas. Some of them are extremely entertaining, they're still very close to contemporary sensibilities. Start from the famous ones (Pathetique, Moonlight, Tempest, Appassionata), listen to them costantly. Notice, the challenge will be appreciating the second movements, which are less pirotecnic and tragic than the 1sts and 3rds ones. Also they're all homophonic, which means that they're not particularly dense (it is more about polish, but most of the times you will be listning one musical idea at a time).
Once you can listen to them effortessly from start to finish, listen to his late sonatas, from 29th to 32nd. They're both polyphonic, but they still mostly follow the homophonic logic of his early and middle period. The 29th is probably the hardest to understand, althoug I'm sure you'll istantly love many of its moments. Listen to it a lot: it's his best sonata, and generally one of the peaks of Western culture.

Beethoven's early sonatas should techically be the easiest to listen to (he composed them for his public), but personally since they're so rooted in a taste that is not mine, listening to them was always harder for me: while his late sonatas are esential in nature and can be listened by themselves, his early ones have to be ''translated''. It's more of an acquired taste, imho.
Here's the 3rd movement of the Appassionata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCiFZvjfuU


Also, listen to Ravel, you'll love him, I'm sure of it. Listen to La Tombeau de Couperin, the Piano Concertos and his Sonatine. The Ravel's composition that are harder to listen, imho, are the short impressionist pieces for piano and his songs: listen to them last. Also notice that you can listen to his entire repertoire in 15 hours, so give it a try. You'll get a taste for dissonance, and you'll get used to listen to longer pieces (the skill you need the most at the moment)
Ravel's Toccata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbX6NFTyjZw

>>74016491
Yeah obviously all music is curating every instrument playing 32nd notes at 400 bpm forever

>Borges.jpg

Berioz' Symphonie fantastique is being performed on the BBC proms right now

>>74021622

Berlioz*

>>74016491
Why is that relevant? It obviously sounds fundamentally different to diatonicism

Here's a recently discovered Erik Satie Gymnopédie, a precursor to the ones we know and love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YJkdNHTzY

>>74021949
Satie was a lazy shitter

https://youtu.be/sebIvdCHcCE

Elliott carter best troll NA