/Grimes/ :Come and Join Us Edition

Anon from the other day again. I listened to her discography and she's just so mediocre.

How do you people like this?

It sounds like squealing into a microphone with a delay pedal on, over some shit beat.

Get some taste

>>73755145
>too pleb to get into patrician goth pop

>>73755125
You like her because she's cute and for no other reason

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>>73755667
Finally, it looks like we're getting somewhere, now listen to it deeply, it all becomes clear.

>>73755145
Which albums did you listen to?

>>73755125
Another day another grimes thread for whatever reason
And if I went and looked harder I bet I'd find all the other usual threads
What's it like using the most stagnant and snooze inspiring board on this website
Nothing you're posting hasn't been posted before

>>73755842
Entire discography after i was told to by people in grimes general

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Halfaxa is her absolute best album. Swan Song is my favorite song.

>>73755932
>those track titles

lmao fucking pathetic

>>73755948

what's wrong with them, nagger?

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>>73755125
>Come and Join Us Edition
how can anyone even say this isn't a cult?

>>73755926
"Entire discography" isn't an album. Which specific albums did you actively listen to?

>>73756179
wtf is wrong with you? asking for a friend

>>73755973
Cults don't disseminate information on publicly accessible discussion forums, by definition desu.

>>73756179
the dreaming

>>73756179
All of her released material, you fucking moron.
Read the archive, I detailed all of this.

Go be stupid somewhere else

>>73756200
It's called "trying to have an in-depth conversation about music on /mu". I expect the idea is foreign to you desu.

>>73756218
Try harder desu.

>>73755125
stop grimesposting

>>73755125
I wanted to get into Grimes, I wanted to understand why she was so popular on this board, but then I listened to Halfaxa and I understood.
It's all just a fucking meme.

>>73756287
>tfw grimes is too unaccessible for you

>>73756260
>"trying to have an in-depth conversation about music on /mu"
you can't call a one-sided reprehension a conversation. these "conversations" follow the exact same pattern every single time
>someone expresses their dislike for grimes
>you ceaselessly hound them telling them why their opinion is wrong

>>73756258
>All of her released material
A significant portion of her discography findable online comes from obscure special edition releases or was never officially released in the first place.

Again, which of her official albums/EPs/unnoficial releases did you ACTIVELY listen to? Because it sounds like you _might_ have actively listened to _maybe_ one before tuning out completely.

>>73756287
>>73756309
Yeah. What genres of music do you normally listen to?

>>73756287
halfaxa is not even one of her mucore albums, it's too 'out there' for many people like yourself

>>73756357
I downloaded her fucking discography form pb and it contained everything she's ever released, you stupid fucking idiot

Again, fuck off and go be stupid elsewhere

I've already discussed why it was bad, I'm simply here to remind you morons

>>73756333
>you can't call a one-sided reprehension a conversation.
You've responded; now it's a two-sided conversation. About music.

>>73756287
>telling them why their opinion is wrong
Where have I said that?

>>73756389
Which one should I listen to?

>>73756394
>trying hard to convince people that her music is bad
no, anon. it doesn't work like that. you better find a hobby

>>73756394
>I downloaded her fucking discography form pb
Which portion of it did you end up with (not all torrents are created equal) and what subset of that did you actively listen to before tuning out? I'm just trying to determine what portion of her discography your opinion is ACTUALLY based on (since your opinion objectively doesn't make sense in the case of at least one of her entire albums.)

>>73756418
>About music.
nice try

>>73756500
>>73756488
I listened to everything she has released, you stupid cunt.

I detailed my criticisms in an earlier thread, in great detail. Read the archive if you want to find this, you low IQ monkey.

She isn't a musician, she screams into a microphone akin to Yoko Ono while some dubstep-esque amateur produced beat plays in the background.

>Muh Japanese aesthetic
>Muh squeals
>Muh basic production

Fuck off and get some taste, you plebeian fucks.
You people only like her because you are obsessed with her, and want to fuck her, etc.

Sad!

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>>73756503
DO - there is no try.

>>73756422
see
>>73756378
Also pic related. Generally speaking your best bet is starting with whichever most resembles your current music taste.

Why is the Grimes thread just Grimes hating now? What happened to all the Grimes is life and I hope our grimey is sleeping well posters?

>>73756535
Art pop isn't a genre, fellow Grimes friend

>>73756534
>I listened to everything she has released
Reread my last post. Let me know if you need me to point out which one since we are all anonymous, and there's no way to be sure whose post statements have been w house without direct links (including going back to past threads - hint hint.)

>>73756564
it's just one stupid moron doing all these hateposts

>What happened to all the Grimes is life and I hope our grimey is sleeping well posters?
still here: >>73753471

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>join us

>>73756564
People realised she's garbage
and 4chan isn't an echochamber

>>73756534
sad that you are such a pleb that don't know any shit about good music

>>73756615
your posts are garbage, suck a pen15

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>>73756534

I really like Venus Fly, is that weird?

>>73756649
>Swear words means anger
Just how sensitive are you?

>>73756615
>people realised she's garbage
Maybe it's more that people are getting fed up of hundreds of threads every day that are all exactly the same pushing an artist they eventually break down and give a listen to. At this point, their opinion is already skewed from disliking her fanbase and so if the music isn't quite close enough to what they would enjoy they decide to start hating.
Or maybe they don't listen at all, and just hate to make some kind of attempt to put an end to the relentless stream of fanboys pushing the artist.

>>73756608
tfw Grimes is the only reason I live

>>73756580
Imo it's technically a pretty silly one (all music is a form of art - therefore "art pop music" is really just a way of saying "actually musical popular music") but imo it seemed like a useful term to use in a simple guide like this given the similar nature of other artists also commonly associated with it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_pop#List_of_artists

>>73756702
dude get your shit together

>>73756665

>madness means anger

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>>73755948
>>73756287
>>73756394
>>73756615

STOOOOP SAYING SHIT ABOUT HER PLEASE!!!
PLEEEEASEEEEE!!!

>>73756664
It's not since it's one of the strongest songs on AA.

>>73756664
Not at all. I love it too, and it's definitely not my usual cup of tea desu (which is to say, I tend not to listen to other things remotely like it.)

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>>73756748
but actually why does it bother you so much? why is it that grimesfags take personal offense when someone criticizes her?

Do you guys prefer the demo version of Realiti or the album version?

>>73756665
>the particular words you choose to use in a conversation actually make a difference
Lol who'd o' thought?

>>73756796
I think they're both great in their way

>>73756785
>goes on a thread that specifies Being nice to Grimes
>insults Grimes instead of giving valid criticism
Why do you do this instead of just filtering Grimes if you hate her so much? Are you that desperate for attention? Do you also go on tranny threads to tell them they're gay?

>>73756810
Nah, it's just you're an ignorant American who thinks everyone speaks the way you do.

"cunt" is an endearing term in other places, etc

>>73756817
>that specifies Being nice to Grimes
do you actually think you can force people to behave a certain way? what makes you think that telling people they have to be nice to grimes is going to make them be nice to grimes? how can you be so naive/idealistic?

>tranny threads
what the fuck kind of boards are you browsing anon?

>>73756817
You didn't answer the question. Why do you take personal offense from people criticising Grimes (a completely different person than you)?

>>73756785
>grimesfags take personal offense when someone criticizes her?
Why would you expect anyone for whom a retarded meme label like MyFavoriteArtist-fag actually applies (i.e. fake, meme fans) to NOT to take such things seriously?

Btw who is your favorite artist?

>>73756796
The Demo. The album version was a self-described "best attempt" at receipting the essence of the original demo (lost in a coffee accident) due to popular demand. Can link you to the specific interview where Grimes says this, if you like.

>>73756848
I'm not saying you can't do it, but why would you? Would you also enjoy going around naked in New York City, something that is frowned upon albeit legal? Additionally, Grimes isn't someone you're interested in, why go on a thread about her just to hate on her?

No need to get so defensive man. It's not your fault, just know that. You're a genuinely good person, it's not your fault, really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkST5-ZFHw&hl=en-GB&gl=SG

>>73756882
I've only just come to this thread to check out the our Grimey is sleeping well posters. It's just annoying that I come to a Grimes thread expecting to see discussion about Grimes (serious and casual) and instead all I see is insults hurled around about Grimes and her fans. If you're not interested in Grimes, why do you come on a thread about her just to hate on her?

>>73756965
>why do you come on a thread about her just to hate on her?
because i'm sick of seeing 2-3 threads about her in the catalogue every fucking day claiming that she's the best artist of the decade. that's just a ridiculous claim

>>73757013
Use the filter. I guess I won't be seeing you anymore now. Have a good life mate.

>>73756848
>what makes you think that telling people they have to be nice to grimes is going to make them be nice
It's voignamirian code for "People who actively report shitposting/trolling reside in this thread. Therefore avoid doing those things if you wish to avoid mod/janitor attention."

Lurk more desu.

>>73756965
>i've come to a thread on 4chan expecting a totalitarian hugbox that only reflects my exact personal beliefs with absolutely no differing opinions allowed
grow up anon. people are always going to have different opinions than you and no matter how much you bitch an moan you won't be able to make this some grimes-friendly utopia. i don't think her music is very good. there's nothing you can do to change that, and there's nothing you can do to make me leave this thread. just accept the fact that by hosting these circle-jerk threads on a public forum, you'll never be able to control the posters who come here. if you really want a one-sided echo chamber of pure grimes worship then take this shit to some private server.

>>73757122
saying "i dislike grimes/grimesfags" =/= trolling

>>73757154
>doesn't know how to use the filter
>hurr durr you are juvenile for being annoyed even though I was also annoyed in the first place
My point wasn't even that you should like Grimes. I didn't like Grimes the first time I heard her too. But instead of a discussion about Grimes, you bemoan the Grimes threads. You claim that her fans should "get some taste". Perhaps you could enlighten me on the nature of "taste". Please tell me about your dabbling in philosophy and how you have formed your own aesthetic criteria from studies of the arguments put forth by Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer, among others. Perhaps after understanding your views on aesthetics we could have a more serious discussion about the aesthetic value of Grimes' work. Or, since you're not interested in her at all, not.

>>73757360
>You claim that her fans should "get some taste"
i never said this though?
>Please tell me about your dabbling in philosophy and how you have formed your own aesthetic criteria from studies of the arguments put forth by Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer, among others.
there's no need to feign intelligence to reinforce a non-existent point anon. nobody was even talking about aesthetics or philosophy until you brought that up.

you're just trying to make this into a pissing contest when all i've been saying this ENTIRE time is that i have the freedom to express my negative opinion about her. i DON'T have to cite philosophical viewpoints in order to justify my beliefs, and the fact that you think i do just goes to show how far your head is up your own ass.

i don't like grimes' music. quit acting like a condescending prick and just accept the fact that i'm allowed to say that.

i honestly can't believe the lengths you're going to to invalidate my personal opinion.

So i listened to halfaxa, visions, and art angels

Didn't like Halfaxa all that much but loved visions and aa
Do I bother listening to her first?

>>73756534
>Listens to seven years of an artist's music at once
>I am now familiar enough with this music to share my criticism with other people, and beat them over the head with my opinions

>>73757758

You should. It is like 30 min in total and different


drakbloom has like three great visions like songs: crystal ball, vanessa and urban twilight

and there is unreleased track David that sounds similar to realiti (demo)

>>73755168
kek this

>>73755919
And?

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>>73755125
2 mixtapes for anyone interested to get into Grimes music: popular and obscure songs, singles, album tracks & unreleased songs.

Melodic Mixtape (1 hour 40 min) - get both archives
http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/spdhXqtQ/file.html
http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/aImn3z41/file.html

Experimental Mixtape (1 hour 13 min)
http://www80.zippyshare.com/v/qvISPUoA/file.html

>MELODIC MIXTAPE
01 Genesis
02 REALiTi (Demo Version)
03 Oblivion
04 Devon
05 Be a Body
06 Rosa
07 Flesh Without Blood
08 Symphonia IX (My Wait Is U)
09 Weregild
10 Crystal Ball
11 Nightmusic
12 Venus Fly
13 Circumambient
14 Kill V. Maim
15 Go
16 Artangels
17 Vanessa
18 Vowels = Space and Time
19 World Princess Part II
20 Bleachers & Grimes - Entropy
21 Butterfly
22 My Sister Says the Saddest Things
23 Skin

>EXPERIMENTAL MIXTAPE
01 Orphia
02 SCREAM
03 Dream Fortress
04 Venus in Fleurs
05 Omega
06 Caladan
07 Favriel
08 Beast Infection
09 Claire Boucher - Behavior
10 (Unknown Title) (Parc & Van Horne, Montreal 2010)
11 Colour of Moonlight (Antiochus)
12 Hallways
13 Grisgris
14 Intor / Flowers
15 Gambang
16 Sagrad пpeкpacный
17 Gloam
18 Rasik
19 Avi
20 Fifteen Minutes To
21 Urban Twilight
22 Improvisational Jam (CKUT.ca Radio 2010)

>>73757187
Then I guess you have nothing to worry about, right? ...RIGHT?

>>73755926
Try these mixtapes >>73758928

The best stuff in one place.

>>73757566
>i don't like grimes' music.
Okay. If that is your sum total opinion of Grimes' music... have a nice life, I guess.

>>73756287
You memed yourself. Check dem mixtapes instead >>73758928

THEN check her discography.

>>73757758
Definitely check out Darkbloom. Imo it's the key transition point between her "early/amateur" sound of records like Halfaxa/Geidi Primes and her "new/professional" sound of Visons/Art Angels/whatever's next. But yeah - like >>73758143 said, Geidi Primes is actually pretty short and it does go to a number of sonic places none of her other records go.

>>73758953
>The best stuff
That's a pretty subjective statement desu.

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>>73756394
>wah waaah waaaaaaah, i dislike her music so you must do the same
You, in a nutshell.

>>73759141
The best stuff IMO. Indeed, it's subjective. But there are many tracks that the Grimes fans love.

>>73755145
Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I think it's cool you managed to make it through the discography even if you didn't like it.

>>73755973
Only if you order the "Grimes Worship Starter Kit" from Amazon. Otherwise we're just basic plebian grimes fans. LOL.

>>73755926
Don't feel like you need to explain yourself further. Some are going to get very butthurt that you don't like/worship her music.

I'm a fan of hers but I respect that you don't like or didn't get what you may have been after from her music. It's okay anon.

>>73756200
Can you not. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. Best way to respond is to ask what he did like/didn't like. Not badger him because he's not vibing on it the way you are.

Christ, this is what makes me sick about these threads. I'm a fan of hers but i'm not going to shove this shit down anyones throat.

finish your album

>>73756287
That's my fav album. Wouldn't say it's mem, not sure if you're baiting but yeah.

>>73756796
Neither. Not one of my fav songs. Decent though.

>>73756822
Funny you mention the word Cunt. It's Grimes' favorite swear word lol.

>>73757013
I agree with you 100%, even as a fan of hers. It is kind of annoying actually. But again, i've discussed this in previous threads as to try to be more moderate. That sort of nonsense is only serving to push people away.

I'd rather people came into these threads and gave her a chance and had a listen instead of being hyped to the fucking moon and going "this sucks!" every thread.

>>73757758
You should give it a try. I also recommend darkblooms. The album she shared with D'Eon which was pretty rad.

>>73759608
The number of times any of us has met grimes? LOL

>>73759205
Yeah. I mean, I get the idea of making playlists like this, but to have a total of 45 tracks spread over two playlists when the artist in question only currently has 4.5 albums totaling to 57 tracks of released material to their name isn't really narrowing things down enough to be useful to anyone other than yourself. An existing fan is already gonna have their preferences, and a new potential fan is better of just listening to an actual album instead since they are all shorter than either of those playlists.

If you were to make an album-length best of or some album-length thematic playlists/mixtapes that would make sense.

>>73759685
It's some really mind dumbing shit huh

>>73759396
>Best way to respond is to ask what he did like/didn't like.
Fwiw that's what this conversation >>73755842 was all about. As you can see, it ended up going nowhere because he/she was apparently just here to troll.

>>73759731
Damn it i meant to say numbing

>>73759495
>I'd rather people came into these threads and gave her a chance and had a listen
Happens all the time desu.

>instead of being hyped to the fucking moon and [people] going "this sucks!" every thread.
Also happens all the time desu. It's unavoidable - /mu (really 4chan in general) is a ying-yang kind of place.

>>73759685
It's some really mind numbing shit huh

>>73759759

Well then we best put out some cookies for these trolls. I mean we wouldn't want them to be hungry now would we? What the hell kind of hosts would we be?

>>73759731
>>73759788
>>73759828
How high are you right now?

This needs to stop.

>>73759898
No. You need to stop.

>>73759921
Grimes is not good muzak

>>73759933
Why don't you think so? Genuinely curious, not trolling.

>>73756534
Why are you so insane, dude? Just let it go. Listen to something else: problem solved.

>>73756965
Discussion can also contain criticizing of said artist, what is exactly the problem here?

>why do you come on a thread about her just to hate on her?
It's a general about an artist, if someone has a negative opinion about said artist, they can feel free to say so, as well as positive opinions. Do you think every thread on /mu/ is always full of love and peace and everyone agreeing on an artist? If you want an echochamber, go to /pol/ and enjoy it.

>>73757013
>because i'm sick of seeing 2-3 threads about her in the catalogue every fucking day claiming that she's the best artist of the decade.
This is how you handle different opinion than yours? Are you 12?

>>73760110
Lots of style; no substance. Dream pop that favours an ingenuine atmosphere in the stead of hooks and good songwriting barely deserves the label. Great production does not equal great songwriting

>>73760432
>This is how you handle different opinion than yours?
you mean by expressing my opinion in response? yeah that's typically how i handle differing opinions

>>73757566
>i have the freedom to express my negative opinion about her
You do that once, twice, three times, but when enough is enough?

>>73760500
You express your positive opinion about her 8943289 times daily in various threads, when is enough enough? Do you even listen to other artists?

>>73760500
Why should there be a limit on number of times of writing anything on an anonymous discussion board?

>>73760434
I think you're being too technical. I do think you're on to something though considering I know nothing of music production. The substance thing i'll concede as well as most of her songs are somewhat aimless.

I do still enjoy the music, but more so for the melody.

>>73759608
ichiko aoba

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i love her music

>>73759933
Indeed. She's not good muzak, but good music.

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I hate her music

>>73760434
>Lots of style; no substance.
No substance? What about her songs which have a lot of substance (good lyrics, strong melodies, great drums, etc)?

>>73760937
Examples? Especially "strong melodies" part

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I adore her music

>>73760538
>implying it's all one person
Also, like the other anons said, grimesfags say their opinion about her like 50 times a day. How could you have the audacity to criticize the frequency that dissenters express their opinions?

>>73760434
>Great production does not equal great songwriting
Indeed. But she has great songs too. e.g. her catchiest song, REALITI. You can't deny its great songwriting.

>>73760960
Meant for>>73760500

>>73760960
>Also, like the other anons said, grimesfags say their opinion about her like 50 times a day.
They express their positive opinions mostly IN HER THREADS. That's the difference. If you hate her please leave. I don't need to see negativity here.

>inb4 echochamber

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I loathe her music

>>73760927
>pretending to hate her music

>>73761001
Why are you trying to make these threads to be the same as "President Trump General" threads on /pol/?

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>>73761018
You don't.

>>73755125
does Grimes have autism? she sounds like an autistic piglet before it gets chopped in half.

>>73761047
I don't visit pol, so I don't have any clue what the hell are you talking about.

>>73761081
>does Grimes have autism?
No. You have.

>>73761084
You do, I'll quote your words:
>>inb4 echochamber

>>73761081
b-but you just don't understand ex-experimental p-pop anon :'((((

>>73761094
>No. You have.

>>73761081
Grimes confirmed as vegetarian

>>73761160
inb4 obsessive grimesfags actually confirm this fact lmao

>>73761160
alright. did I ask you? don't reply to my posts.

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>>73761081
delete this

>>73761189
You won't tell me what to do!

>>73761176
>obsessive
irony

I hope Grimes is having nightmares

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>>73761213
Yeah, not obsessive at all

>>73761103
I'd rather have an echochamber than a trolling shitflinging general.

>>73761176
The irony: you're way more obsessed with her than all Grimes friends put together.

A reminder, do not respond to trolling. Let it go. Grimes will be fine. Try to stick to the topic and invite trolls for tea. Bees with honey and all that.

>>73761286
>i'D rAtHeR hAvE aN eChOcHaMbEr ThAn A tRoLlInG sHiTfLiNgInG gEnErAl

A reminder, do not get obsessed over women that will never even know you exist. Let it go. You will find a real gf once. Try to go out to the real world and talk to real people while drinking tea. non-virtual people and all that.

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>>73761286

honestly grimes is retarded i could beat the shit out of her

>>73761337
>while drinking tea

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>>73761337
>while drinking tea

Grimes never finished university, like most of you here never will

>>73761307
>invite trolls for a tea

>>73760434
>Dream pop that favours an ingenuine atmosphere
What counts to you as a genuine atmosphere for dream pop? And how does an album like Art Angels (her best produced to date) count as dream pop?

>>73756796
D E M O

>>73761421
more like fart angels t b h

>>73759478
It's my favourite too
Tell me, why does she exaggerate the quirky persona btw?

I think she needs a big british cock in her desu famalam

>>73761394
she tried so hard though

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>>73761307
>invite trolls for tea

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>supporting a misandrist

>>73761464
What a piece of trash

>>73761268
This is some /b/-tier shit right there

>>73761464
claire is fucking dumb as shit

>>73761464
Wow, why would she do that? Disgusting.

>>73761464
>>73761477
>>73761508
>>73761514
it's about rape idiots

>>73761464
She is in dire need of a cock in her minge, lads.
Once she hits 30, you just know she will jump off a high rise or do something crazy...

She just needs a good fucking lads

It's not uncommon

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>>73761464
>>73761477
>>73761508
>>73761514
>taking things out of context
STOP

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>>73760626
>most of her songs are somewhat aimless.
>mfw I'm surrounded by people who have no appreciation for/understanding of classical choral/vocal music

>>73761529
nyeughnyeugh zomg raep is so funny ^_^

shut. the fuck. up.

>>73761539
>grimes btfo /mu/

>>73761557
what? the video is about rape. it's not funny. what's so hard to understand?

>>73761539
If someone feels such a huge need to defend themselves over something, that means those accusations were true to begin with

Hi

>>73761081
>not being nice to Grimes

>>73761539
dis whyte bish is crazy yo
she be on some cracka shit forreal

>>73761585
Fuck off cunt

>>73761565
>I hate it when men objectify women, I guess I should in return objectify men in my video, that'll show them!

What a mature decision.

>>73761124
Why are you faking having a stutter on the internet like a sperg?

>>73761464
Wow, /mu/ really lost their taste in waifus, too bad

>>73761593
Wow im here every day and i get told to fuck off

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>>73761539
>40 years old
>no spouse
>no kids
>no car
>no house
>no 401k
>making bedroom music
>TWEETING

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Every song she's ever made is a rip off of Running Up That Hill

>>73761598
well, she got a reaction out of you, you've got to give her that
you gave her exactly what she wanted, you played right into her hands

>>73761655
Exactly this.

good content /b/ros

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>>73761659
Did Grimes just trick me?

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beautiful

>>73761719
>>73761659
It's true, all good artists provoke!
In this case, however, she provokes me into wanting to punch her square in the jaw.

She should stop making muzak and go into porno before she reaches 30

>>73760384
Hating on Grimes threads isn't hating on her music. Plus as I've said multiple times, the problem isn't not liking Grimes, it's bemoaning the Grimes threads. If you actually read through the thread, most Grimes haters just complain about how many of her threads there are. The only poster that talked about her doesn't just states his own opinion but unfairly insults the aesthetic judgment of Grimes' fans, which is again, unrelated to the artist.

>>73761543
Dude, not every song she makes is deep and meaningful. In many of her songs she's just going on about something that means something to her personally. It doesn't have to evoke a deep and meaningful sentiment.

She's not trying to make a statement in every song nor is she trying to create a masterwork of art. She's making fucking music that makes her feel good. WTF more do you want?

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>>73761655
>>73761689
Stop. Comparing any art female artist with Kate Bush is just a meme.
>>73761719
Yes.

>>73761766
>nor is she trying to create a masterwork of art
Completely disagree with that. She puts a lot of effort to make a masterwork of art. Just listen to her albums: they're full of little details and great songs.

>>73761464
>>73761539
Yeah - post-feminist, actually.

>>73757566
I just assumed you were the first poster who was hating on Grimes throughout the thread, if you're not, then nevermind. He mentioned that liking Grimes meant the person had shit taste, which is basically aesthetic judgment.

>tfw knowing about aesthetics is now feigning intelligence
Your ignorance isn't my responsibility mate. If you wanna read up on aesthetics you can check out Hume's Of the Standard of Taste and Kant's Critique of Judgment. Or you could just read up the SEP pages on aesthetics.

>>73761775
When did she pilot a helicopter?

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>>73761812
>Yeah - post-feminist, actually.

>>73761575
Troll logic.

>>73761866
Trolls > waifufags

>>73761810
Except she isn't. She's just making music. She has never stated that. In most cases she's been rushed to put something together and was experimenting in most cases.

Not to suggest these things mean nothing to her, but to suggest she had the foresight or knowledge to create a masterwork is laughable.

She's in the throws of learning and becoming better at what she does. Only NOW is she able to afford the gear she wants and is embarking on becoming a solid performer.

Most of the criticism she gets in these boards are valid and shouldn't be shat upon. They are critiques.

>>73761883
Nice

>>73761866
Troll have no logic. They are post-logic. That's why Grimes fans troll the trolls and we're the only general that does that.

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>>73761932
I wish I were as cool as you are :/

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>>73761826
Nobody knows. She's surprising.

>>73761435
>>73761436
>>73761477
>>73761508
>>73761532
>>73761557
>>73761593
>>73761752
>not being nice to Grimes
For clarification of what this means, see >>73757122

>>73762005
Not really

>>73761758
>She should stop making muzak
Why? Because it gets to you?

>>73761826
Never. She probably sat IN a helicopter, but I doubt the piloted one. The level of qualification you need to pilot a heli is pretty steep and they are notoriously difficult to fly. Nobody is going to fly a heli with just a single ride.

>>73761900
>but to suggest she had the foresight or knowledge to create a masterwork is laughable.
Laughable is your point. Pick Art Angels. The whole album is very well crafted and VERY intentional. She needed knowledge to make it and she acquired it.

If you think she's a clueless artist trying to make music just for the sake of it you're completely delusional.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi2N5KHgO80

>it's annoying i know haha, but my albums take a long time to create because i don't buy songs/ hire producers/ writers or engineers. the majority of artists do, so they are able to release music faster. unfortunately it takes me longer because if there's a style i need to learn i just have to figure it out by trial and error, or if im stuck on a lyric or beat sometimes i have to start again. i think it leads to more original product though, and hopefully the fans are happier in the long run. that said, i am making a lot of music right now, but i also want to have more of a sonic theme to this album so i'm using less of the stuff i'm recording. in any case, ill try to be as swift as possible!"

>>73761655
>pretending Kate Bush was original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdDVZsz2es

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>>73761932

>>73762046
I was just kidding, man
She should continue doing what she wants.

I don't particularly like her music as you can probably tell from this thread, but she should continue. She fills a void and all things considered, she isn't THAT bad.

She is miles ahead of the current pop acts, for example

>>73762099
Kate bush wasn't original, nor did I ever claim she was

Kate bush was a trust fund kid with daddy supporting her career

Running up is a good song, regardless, but the above is still true

>>73762073
I didn't say she was clueless, I said her working catalogue of music isn't masterwork level. She knows it, most of her fans know it. I know it.

You can't tell me recording shit on a laptop mic is masterful. Give me a fucking break.

I'm a fan of hers. But I at least possess the capacity to be subjective about her work instead of lumping it with praise all the time.

FYI I really enjoy her entire discography. But it doesn't make any of the critiques that many thread posters have made in the sense that there was not really a sense of "quality" to it until very recently. But again, that's up to her gear.

Many have also critiqued her ability to play instruments, which is again valid. We know she can't really play instruments because she has admitted as such in interviews.

Is she getting better? Yes. Is she a master? No. I can accept this, and I look forward to what she'll put out in future.

>>73761759
>Hating on Grimes threads isn't hating on her music.
It's hating on other posters - which is something that isn't in keeping with /mu's board rules.

>>73761766
>Dude, not every song she makes is deep and meaningful.
Where did I mention meaning? I'm talking strictly about sounds/musical styles.

>>73762073
Holy shit, the guy posts a completely positive and rational post about her and you start attacking him for not worshiping Grimes enough? Do you really have to embody every stereotype of an annoying Grimes fan? Gimme a break, no one know beforehand will their albums turn out to be "masterpieces" or not

>>73762128
Except that in many instances i've been watching and commenting along with other fans but notice there is a sharp decline in discourse when people are lobbing "retard" and the like back and forth.

Many posters, including from what I can tell, OP have been involved in this banter and name calling. Things getting heated simply because they cannot accept critiques of her work and take it personal -- then resort to attacks.

All very much against the rules, yes. But that hasn't stopped anyone in these threads seemingly. A lot of shit flinging on both sides i've been seeing.

Hell, even when i've interjected and attempted to be a voice of reason I was attacked too and told I was not a "true" fan. Which is utter horseshit.

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Guys, I can't live without Claire Boucher.

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>>73762120
stop slandering kate bush

>>73761883
Totally desu. I takes superior levels of retardation to constantly sperg out about things you yourself claim not to like.

>>73762192
You're living without her now. What's the difference?

>>73762220
i'm dying

>>73761900
Fyi this response of yours was to a different anon. See >>73762149

So hows her sex life atm?

>>73762230
You're dying because you can't have someone you've never had? Yeah that makes sense. Get a grip anon.

>>73762183
Exactly this, Grimes fans in these threads and on board in general tend to get really aggressive and attack when somebody says a single critique of her work and looks at it objectively and it's getting really annoying. Having conflicting opinions is a completely healthy thing, not something to fear of.

>>73762259
Why don't you ask her? I don't think she divulges such info anywhere. Nor would I think she'd be interested in humoring you.

>>73762183
Im not totally sure whats cincere in these threads so, it fucks with ones head

>>73762280
Precisely. I am very welcoming to people critiquing her work because it helps me understand it better.

>>73762066
Granted, we are talking here about someone who once built a 25-foot house boat from scratch and piloted it successfully for several months one summer on a whim when she was aronud the age of 21.

>>73762289
She'd tell me she has a bf, obviously

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>>73762300
Well then treat it all with a grain of salt and critical thought. Nothing in this thread is worth taking too seriously. Nothing is at stake, nothing to worry. No harm done. Just have fun is all anyone should be doing.

And btw, if trolls come in here and start lobbing insults and saying shit about grimes it's okay. We should all just have fun with it. No need to get all butthurt about it. It doesn't bother me, it sure as shit doesn't bother her (she's not here and likely doesn't give a shit).

So i'd again remind all anons to be excellent to each other.

>>73762120
Why are you so envious of Kate Bush's success?

>>73762334
Im so not reading any of that

>>73762316
.... except the cops broke into the fucking thing and prohibited them from continuing. I've seen a picture of it, didn't look too river worthy.

You can have permits up the ass but making a craft that can handle the mississipi isn't a small task and not for novice boat builders to make out of junk.

I like her just fine, but I think she was incredibly foolish in that instance.

>>73762351
Then don't. Selectively read what you wish. It's a free and open thread.

>>73762124
>I didn't say she was clueless, I said her working catalogue of music isn't masterwork level. She knows it, most of her fans know it. I know it.
Her catalogue of music is masterwork level. Stop slandering her music, buddy.

>>73762350
I'm not envious at all, that's just the facts?
The fuck?

>>73762394
Stop turning the thread into an echochamber, buddy.

>>73762394
>Her catalogue of music is masterwork level.
Jesus fucking christ, you people are beyond stupid

Be honest now, not even YOU can possibly believe this

>>73762385
I just know im not part of this

>>73762124
>I said her working catalogue of music isn't masterwork level.
Depends on what you're listening for in it. For example, the song Vanessa has some absolutely killer contrapuntal vocal writing in it. In fact, the vast majority of her back catalog contains EXCELLENT vocal writing. But since you only seem to be listening for instrumental features...

>>73762280
Because they care about her music. Accept that.

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>>73762334
>And btw, if trolls come in here and start lobbing insults and saying shit about grimes it's okay.
>supporting trolls
WTF is wrong with you? Stop calling yourself a fan, traitor.

>>73762163
>start attacking him
Different anon. That isn't part of an attack - it's part of a conversation.

>>73762183
>A lot of shit flinging on both sides i've been seeing.
Welcome to 4chan. Are you new here?

>>73762442
Wonder how guy feels

>>73762192
Then how are you alive rn?

>>73762428
>being this triggered
If her catalogue of music wasn't masterwork level, those daily threads wouldn't even exist. Stop underrating her amazing music.

>>73762280
see
>>73762521
4chan is an open-posting system - meaning that there is no effective way for mods to screen posters. Consequently there are always trolls ready, willing, and able to spark controversy by sperging out on BOTH sides of any given issue.

Like I said - welcome to 4chan.

>>73762334
>if trolls come in here and start lobbing insults
Report it - as per board rules - and move on.

Apart from that, you're it really doesn't matter, regardless of whether Grimes herself happens to be here or not (since there is no way anyone here could know that for certain unless they happen to be her...)

where do i start with this slut. gimme a flowchart. my background is largely electronic if that changes anything

>>73762360
>I've seen a picture of it, didn't look too river worthy.
>not knowing how pontoon boats work
How a vessel looks above the waterline has virtually nothing to do with sea-worthiness for that type of craft desu.

>>73762721
You listen to Kate Bush and Grace Slick instead
Maybe some Nico

>>73762403
>I'm not envious at all
Then why do you sound like you do?

>>73762428
see
>>73762443

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>>73762721

>>73762784
I don't, you're just fucking stupid, lmao

>>73762490
>Stop calling yourself a fan, traitor.
Chill your tits, ESL-anon. No one owes you anything ITT.

Grimes ruined my life

>>73762721
>slut
And hello to you too!

see >>73756535

>>73762819
Not buying it desu. Why should it matter who Kate Bush's father was?

>>73762934
Because he literally funded her career, moron. She got where she is today because he funded her career.

You know, like many of the popstars today. Dualipa w.e the fuck she's called, etc, shit! Even that white rapper with the tattoos and braids... Pop music is becoming a trust fund kids hobby.

One of the reasons Grimes' isn't THAT bad, is because I don't think this was the case with her. Although, I could be wrong.

>>73762816
>>73762766
Thanks noted

>>73762888
I use the word slut with only positive connotations I assure you

shes so fake

>>73762721
>this slut
>expecting to be taken seriously
Well, fuck off.

>>73763196
why don't you like sluts anon? are you a misogynist?

>>73762816
>posting my snazzy chart
Takk anon

>>73761464
yea ok grimes so its ok to objectify men but as soon as a female is its "LITERALLY PATRIARCHY!!!"

go fuck yourself you cunt

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>>73762824
>implying they should owe me something
>implying you're a mod
>still not minding your business

>>73763218
yea its ok to be a slut, but grimes is not a slut so he used it in a discriminatory way

>>73763325
>its ok to be a slut
No it isn't and never will be, as much as women wish this wasn't the case, lmao

>>73763218
I don't like you calling her a slut. You're calling her something she isn't. Why are you such a prick?

>>73763335
why not? its ok to be a stud and fuck tons of "bitches" but girls cant fuck guys?

>>73763325
>>73763358
hey now you don't know what her sexual appetite is like any more than i do. she might be a total cumslut behind closed doors or she might not be. and in either case that is ok. so i had a little fun and used the word to spice up my post. and i think i know when i use something in a derogatory way and when i don't. i apologize for any inconvenience but not for my use of the word slut. thank you.

>>73763414
ok just shut up you little faggot, i know what the fuck you're trying to do and its bullshit. Of course the grimes fans on here are going to take your post seriously and start arguing over it even more

thats all these threads are any more, no discussion just arguing and hatred

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>>73763414
Please respect Grimes. She doesn't deserve insults.

>>73763366
Yes.
Men have to EARN it. Women can literally walk into any vicinity with men in and spread her legs.

I'm sure you've heard the ol' "A shitty lock" phrase...
It's not a "meme", nor is it inaccurate.

>>73763461
if women can just do that then men can just go on and fuck them right? It wouldn't be a challenge then

>>73763030
>You know, like many of the popstars today.
...so in other words what you're saying is that trust fund kids becoming popstars ISN'T a new thing? Again - why do you care?

>>73763047
>I use the word slut with only positive connotations
That must work wonders at parties desu.

>>73762394
No it isn't. WTF are you talking about. I'm not slandering anything. It's my opinion and observation. If you want to think it's masterwork, go ahead.

>>73763469
Not really, because it's usually a select portion of the male population, and even then, not really.
>Inb4 "hurr durrr le neckbeard" or some shit and you try insult me
I've been with girls that are "easy", I've been with girls that called their boyfriends insults while I fucked them... Do you think it made me like them more, or less?

All of these women you see claiming they're somehow "rebelling" by giving themselves away so easily, will all reap what they sow. No man alive (apart from a small number of fetishists) want their women to have been a fucking spunk pit from thousands of other men. It's just in our nature. It's in your fucking nature, whether you're a women or not.
Second hand goods are almost always cheaper, right?

>>73763479
>Why do you care
Why do I care that music is being sold to the highest bidder at an unprecedented scale?
Pretty soon anyone who isn't industry connected (it's pretty much like that already) won't have a single chance.

Listen, I care for music deeply, it shouldn't be "who has the most money to artificially inflate their record sales and secure gigs", etc. They take up valuable space!

>>73762443
She has openly stated that she hates that song btw. She set out to make a nonsense song and she did. Later she said she hated it.

>>73762490
It's not black and white. There are shades of grey. Don't be elitist. There's room for everyone.

Maybe, just MAYBE if you guys weren't so exclusionary then more people would be in here having fun instead of bickering.

Just a thought. From a fan.

>>73763257
>its "LITERALLY PATRIARCHY!!!"
Nope - see https://web.archive.org/web/20130901194703/http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/56990576819/i-apologize-in-advance-but-there-will-be-swearing-in

>>73762545
LOL The only reason these threads exist every day is because the same few anons keep making them.

It's fun to discuss her music, don't get me wrong. But let's not pretend it's more than 1-3 anons making these.

>>73763600
>if you guys weren't so exclusionary
Not that guy, or even a Grimes fan, but some level of elitism is probably a good thing. There would be no good music without elitism

>>73763302
Who are they being a "traitor" to other than you if Grimes herself isn't here?

>>73762688
No. I won't report anything. I think reporting it is akin to censorship.

If people are not free to express themselves, troll or otherwise, then this board fails. Period.

I'm all for open discussion. And if trolls want to start shit, hey i'm game. But i'm not going to shit on them because I know why they're in here. Because people react and get triggered. Simple.

If people were just a little more level headed then the trolls would lose interest and we could steer this entire thread into something interesting and cool. Maybe a few of those trolls would walk away listening to her music.

But none of that will happen so long as we cannot enjoy open discussion without someone crying to the mods like they're their mommy.

>>73762764
Except again, the cops do know. They're there to enforce shit. My observation is directly in line with why they confiscated the fucking thing.

Some people aren't aware of the dangers of the river or oceans. Underestimating how prepared you have to be. Argue all you like, but there's a reason they took it away and it wasn't beacuse they were being dicks.

>>73763414
>i think i know when i use something in a derogatory way and when i don't
Now, if only this thread was a discussion between you and yourself - then there would be no confusion.

>>73763196
Don't get so fucking triggered. Dammit you guys are just giving into this bullshit over and over again. Like flies to fly paper. Don't be so silly.

I'm a fan btw so we're tracking anons.

>>73763448
Again, a reminder do not feed the trolls.

Pro Tip: You're feeding them.

>>73763623
Nah. For the same reason the whole PC master race bullshit exists, music elitism shouldn't be glorified at all. All it does is help those who are doing the elitism make themselves feel superior and better of themselves.

Remember folks, music is art. And art is subjective.

>>73761001
>IN HER THREADS
are you saying that it's inappropriate to express my opinion about grimes IN HER THREAD?

>>73763728
i wasn't even originally trolling, i just like to use the word slut casually in a sex-positive way. i did take some advantage of the barrage of misunderstanding though. even being a left-leaning individual, overzealous leftists are easy entertainment

>>73763804
And again, i'm one of the anons (and fans of hers) who will support your saying what you want to say.

People might not like what you say, but i'll support your right to say it.

Doesn't mean I agree with you. Just that i'm cool with you saying whatever the hell is on your mind. I think more anons could stand to be a bit more chill about all this.

A reminder: Saying something about someone, doesn't make it true. So chill.

>>73763573
>Why do I care that music is being sold to the highest bidder at an unprecedented scale?
Why do you think it is uniquely a problem now/in the near future when you yourself have already admitted that it's been going on for probably just as long as people have been making pop music?

>They take up valuable space!
They've ALWAYS been taking up valuable space. That's how you now the select few (like Grimes) who manage to make it there under their own power are extremely talented - they managed to overcome the odds.

>>73763762
>Remember folks, music is art. And art is subjective.
Wronnnnnnnnngggggggggggg
I'm sick of retards saying this fucking ridiculous horseshit.

Fuck that! You are wrong.

>"Yeah bro! Me farting into this microphone is totally equal to Paganini bro! Yeah definitely dude!"

Fuck off

You genuinely triggered me

>>73763846
>Why do you think it is uniquely a problem now/in the near future when you yourself have already admitted that it's been going on for probably just as long as people have been making pop music?
Because it's already been happening, we should just let it continue and get worse?

>They've ALWAYS been taking up valuable space
Same as above.
You are moronic.

Stop arguing for the sake of argument, and admit you're simply wrong

grimes certainly does bring out the worst in people

>>73761001
>I don't need to see negativity here.
I don't give a shit what you need to see. ONCE AGAIN I'm allowed to say that I dislike grimes' music all I want and there is nothing that you can do about it. There is nothing in the rules of this board that says I can't express a negative opinion about grimes. How many times do I need to say this before you understand it? This isn't a dictatorship and you can't stop people from having different ideas than you. So grow the fuck up and stop crying

>>73763965
just by the way the anon is typing, you're obviously talking to a female so theirs no point in reasoning with it

>>73763925
>we should just let it continue and get worse?
As if you ever had or will have a say in it.
Don't be naive.

>>73764017
>you're obviously talking to a female
It's honestly probably grimes

>>73764061
thats retarded she wouldnt go on 4chan, she would hire people to shill on here but not herself

>>73763904
Then uh... don't get triggered bro. I'm not wrong and there is no right. Suggesting that art is not subjective and hence there is a right or wrong way to make music is again laughable.

To some, Rock music is noise. Everyone has their favorite.

You can disagree, that's fine. I don't mind. I'm not going to get triggered if you don't agree. But saying fuck off is not really constructive to the discussion of the thread and makes you sound like you're 10.

Take a breath. Be calm. Everything will be cool.

>>73764120
dont fucking be condescending with me you little faggot, their have been actual STUDIES to show that art is NOT subjective

>>73763942
Well in some I suppose. As can anyone I imagine. Some are just very passionate and/or a little obsessive so they may lack the capacity (for the moment) to see alternative perspectives from their own.

>>73763965
I'm going to have to agree with this Anon.

One of the anons is out of line with his continual suggestions that the board and these threads need to cater to them.

If you don't like the way people react/behave in these threads may I suggest reddit?

>>73764158
reddit is way worse than 4chan, its the centerground of alt rights and libertarians whining about their free speech and what not

at least /pol/ can be funny

>>73764133
Did you just call me a faggot? LOL. Oh you're just adorable. Did you want some cheese with your whine?

I find your behavior obnoxious.

They can produce a million billion studies that say it's "not subjective" but i've not read any and I again disagree.

To some, graffiti is art. to others an eye sore. See, subjective. To some country music is horrendous, and to others Death Metal is their salvation.

See where i'm going? We're all allowed to have our favorites. That's why I say it's subjective. Music can be banging a drum, or playing a grand piano. Please don't suggest it's all black and white. Either noise or art or music.

>>73764185
fuck off, i wont stop advocating for free speech until theirs an official punch a faggot day

>>73764185
Why not both? My point is people should quit their bitchin' and join the discussion and stop being exclusionary and/or elitist or (triggered, obsessive etc).

Just kick back, grab a beer and let's talk some grimes.

>>73764212
so if i FART into a microphone (which is what grimes does with her bad singing) than its as good as MOZART to some peple????? NOO!!!!!!!! abosulutely not it is not SUBJECTIVE ok, that is a fACT

>>73764247
To some, yes. People are free to interpret things as they wish. Which is why art and (by extension) music is subjective.

It's about what it means to the individual. I'm an artist, I don't expect anyone to see what I see, or feel what I feel when they look at what I make. Nor do I feel I should guide them to say "this is how you should feel" it's absurd.

You need to grow a little anon. You'll see. The world is full of color, you need only open your eyes to see it.

>>73764120
>>73764133 Wasn't me by the way, but I still disagree with you

>>73764284
>Nor do I feel I should guide them to say "this is how you should feel" it's absurd.
Then you are a shit artist, and probably not much of one at all

>>73764284
This guy >>73764247 Isn't me.
He's just trying to shit up and derail because someone insulted Grimes.

>You need to grow a little anon. You'll see. The world is full of color, you need only open your eyes to see it.
I think you'll find it's quite the opposite way around, actually. It's more likely that you need to grow.
Someone told you that music is all equal, and people are all equal, and art is all equal... and you naively believed them.

>>73764401
No worries, you don't have to agree with me. That's the cool part about life, everyone can think what they want.

>>73764419
Again, you're free to think what you wish.

Just so I can help you understand what I mean. Suppose someone, perhaps an accomplished musician, said that grimes music wasn't really music because she didn't make it.

In that, the performance artist must learn an instrument and Claire freely admits she can barely play for shit. That artist may say she's not really an artist because she's just using sampling and editing it all together in a computer. Hence, not real art.

But if you can move past mediums, musical ability etc. You can appreciate art for what it is. Art. That's simultaneously what makes it beautiful and what makes it great. You can think what you want about it. It can be nothing or it can be everything. It's all up to you.

Ie. Mozart or Farts in a Microphone.

>>73764466
No. I make up my own mind. And my mind is very rarely set upon anything. Simply because nothing in the universe is ever static.

Human beings love to find static and patterns so we can simplify things for ourselves. Make things rigid. "This is just so, thus it is how I see it" but then it will change. Throw people off kilter, force them to accept that things change.

People change, the world changes, we change. This is part of the experience of our universe.

Thus, no point can ever remain static if it hopes to continue to exist. It must evolve, change and bend with the wind, so to speak.

I might add, in relation to my comment about change. That this is why I do not get triggered about other anons coming in here and taking a dump on her music and what they feel about it.

That's their opinion. They are free to have it and I welcome it. It's part of this change I talk about. Helps me understand why I like it. In some cases them being aggressively against it only strengthens my view of her work. And in others it may take what I think of her work down a few pegs to make it a little more reasonable.

That's why I come in here. I don't want to hear every single comment praise her when even she knows not everything she makes is gold. To suggest otherwise would be silly.

Contrast is beautiful. Take the good with the bad anons. It's all part of the beauty of life. Some will say Grimes is shit, others that she's a godess. All good to me folks.

quick post the milk pic

>>73764827
Milk pic?

>>73764590
>In that, the performance artist must learn an instrument and Claire freely admits she can barely pl...
Well, I wouldn't disagree, kind of-ish.
I'm in no way saying you have to be technically good at an instrument to be an artist, or to make "good" music. I personally believe there is a cut off point though, and after that, it becomes silly, and a line is drawn between "art" and "yeah, I'm just recording myself shitting, it's equal to X because duh! subjectivity bro!" ... Now, it doesn't have to be "technical ability" that separates the two, but uh, a combination of intention, or maybe intended direction (it's pretty difficult to put into words) and I suppose... personal preference. I don't think things are all equal, yada yada.

>But if you can move past mediums, musical a....
Again, I don't disagree with this either.

Anyway... I really can't be bothered to go into more detail since it will take ages and I'll end up writing for an hour and then the thread will be pruned, so... yeah, agree to disagree or whatever.

>>73764617
>I make up my own mind. And my mind is very rarely set upon anything. Simply because nothing in the universe is ever static
Alright, I'm with you.


>Make things rigid. "This is just so, thus it i....
Yes, so you, as the artist, are directing the listener or viewer/whatever. You are influencing them to travel in a certain direction, so to speak.
I think the quote (though probably cliche as fuck by now) "A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go, but ought to be.", applies to artists. An artist is simply a great leader, in my opinion, but... in a weird sort of extended or distant, and slightly removed way.

So yeah, I agree with you on many things, and not so much on others, which is alright. It's a pretty difficult topic to discuss anyway

>>73764989
Agreed. And to clarify, in no way am I suggesting that one should equate farting into a mic with some classical piece.

The subjectivity argument I make is in the same vein as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sort of thing. That is what makes art great.

Also to the same effect "one mans trash ins another mans treasure" -- The technical merits can be left to the critics and those who wish to debate the arts by splitting hairs.

I have no such desire.

>>73765048
>"beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Yeah I see what you're saying, but I just fundamentally disagree with this... because there is an obvious cut off point. And the same applies to one mans trash, etc.

Anyway, decent discussion. Have a good day m8

>>73765146
You as well anon. I disagree about the cutoff though hahaha. Again, this is what makes art beautiful. You can cutoff what you wish, someone else will take the spoils and hang it on their wall.

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>>73765182
>Someone else will take th...
Yeah yeah I know, but some people are just silly man, and wrong!

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>>73765462
Wrong picture

>>73765478
>you will never live on grimes avenue
why live