/prod/ - Music Production general

whoops:
>>72060482

hey senpaitachi ive been workin on this for the past couple days on and off
https://clyp.it/wkv20ic0

and i just noticed while exporting i keep getting these weird lawn-mower like artifacts that become increasingly loud as they go on. sometimes they dont last very long and sometimes they. there's one at 1:32 and one at 1:42. I'm pretty sure it's due to ValhallaShimmer. Does anyone have any idea how to avoid this? It occurs sometimes during playback within my DAW but not everytime and not in the same place. Is it just my computer being too shit?

any other advice appreciated ¦3

>create soundcloud account
>upload a handful of songs
>immediately contacted by spam/scammers
[spoiler]nearly fall for one of them[/spoiler]
>tfw
send help

Ive been working on this today, what do you think?
https://clyp.it/lcsjlqh2

>>72083198
Try turning the feedback down on Shimmer

>>72084117
You could be using a better snare sample imo
The rain is over the top
Rhodes sound a lil too clean for my taste

any junglists

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How do I make chillwave like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uba0EjsPFTg

>>72083506
What did they offer?

Hey, any anons that wanna do some work on the OST for an indie game I'm making?

I can't pay but you'll get some (minor) exposure and full credit for anything that you do.

>>72084371
I really want to put some drum breaks and snare rolls on this track I'm making but I've never done it before. Any tips for making it not sound like shit? Tutorial vids you'd recommend?

>>72084844
>le exposure for unpaid work meme

No. No no no no no. NO.

Playing around with samples. How bullshit is the result?

https://clyp.it/inscmucw

People still use FL studio? What a joke

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>>72084844
>work for free

>>72085070
what do you use?

>>72085279
Ableton duh

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First of all, can I have custom presets folder Xfer Serum?

Second question is complicated. I wanted to write preset creator name and preset name (Serum), but every time I try to type letters like q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o,p or so it plays a note and doesn't write anything. How do I fix this? I have FL Studio 12.
>>72085070
>>72085336
So, I will be idort. haha

>>72085422
>every time I try to type letters like q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o,p or so it plays a note and doesn't write anything. How do I fix this? I have FL Studio 12
i swear i try to stay objective and not get into the whole daw wars thing, but it seems like almost every time somebody is struggling with something stupidly basic like this it's either in fl or reaper

>>72085461
Loool

>>72085422
>>72085461

>"stupidly basic" problem
>making fun instead of being helpful by giving a simple solution

let's do better /prod/

https://support.image-line.com/knowledgebase/base.php?ans=517

>>72085528
i meant stupidly basic as in he's not trying to access some complex feature of the daw, he's just trying to name a preset.

also fuck you lol i'll make observations if i want to, i don't even use fl so i don't have any input for how to solve the problem

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>>72082853
>FL Studio users only

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>>72085806
Is this a JoJo reference?

Some sketch I made today in FL. Not done, and fuck the arp at the end, just too lazy to cut it out rn https://clyp.it/ustpu5d4

>>72084451
PLS HELP

>>72085995
Damn, I really like that

>>72086074
I'm not sure what sort of answer you want. Your question is far too broad. If you want to do it properly you'll have to learn music theory, subtractive synthesis, and mixing. If you want to cheat like vaporwave retards just download a load of 80s music, sample insultingly large chunks of it slowed down, and put a shit beat behind it.

>>72085995
>https://clyp.it/ustpu5d4
Industrial/dark house...
I like it.

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>look for samples on YouTube
>find the perfect shit
>go to the comments
>"Damn where does 'X producer' even find this shit? hahaha"

Any Renoise users here? Seems like the DAW is pretty much dead and I'm looking for a good replacement. Most tracker software seems outdated, is there a good alternative for tracking?

Worked on this for half an hour. Not the best at this shit, especially getting the leads to mesh with the rest of the track. I'd love advice on that https://clyp.it/klwlcctr?token=ef528ba573790eee10da97d67cf7ba7d

did a stupid little pink floyd flip, any input appreciated
https://clyp.it/r3t4qehs

Also did some bonobo type shit, feel like it's missing something to make it more interesting
https://clyp.it/mclghgto

>>72088238
I'm a Renoise user. In what way is it dead?

>>72088484
One of the devs is too busy with other projects and the last update had been since end 2015 I think. There hasn't been any news about upcoming updates or whatever.

Really fucking sucks because I love music trackers and renoise has lots of features that can still make it match up to modern daws. Right now it's still lacking some features like side chaining, luckily the signal follower trick works but it doesn't sound exactly as I want it to be.

>>72088552
Yeah for mixing its not the best. I rewire into Ableton to do that stuff. For everything else though its almost perfect. Pretty sure you aren't going to find a more efficient method of programming musical information than a tracker.

Trying to do intricate drum programming or automation in a traditional DAW is an exercise in frustration.

This is from a while back. I'd definitely call it experimental sample based hip hop. It's about suicide/self destructive tendencies.
https://clyp.it/q5hqt2yg

are there any VSTs that emulate turntable scratching with different audio files?

>>72086571
>subtractive synthesis
Lol, how is that so important for such a gimmick that is shillwave? You just find some bunch of "atmospheric" sample packs and retro FM synth and Ableton Live and you're set.

https://soundcloud.com/syhrxa/scarab-mistra-20210217

>reverse music

sticking around this thread tonight, post your work

>>72088238
>>72088484
i also use renoise

>>72088651
>intricate drum programming
how do you do this?

I use renoise but I make dumb music

>>72085070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

what about this?
https://clyp.it/ci3zq5k4

>>72088651
>Trying to do intricate drum programming or automation in a traditional DAW is an exercise in frustration.

Tell me about it. All I've got to work with is a secondhand copy of Audition 3.0

>>72088651
how are trackers any more efficient than a regular daw? isn't it just a different view (scrolling numbers vs scrolling notes or automation points) for what is essentially the same process?

>>72089854
Because what he posted is clearly based on 80s sounds and all classic 80s analog synths were subtractive, as are the majority of VSTs.

>>72090033
Program a normal drum beat for whatever style of music it is you are doing, with just one kick, snare, and hat sound each. Then go through and change the instrument values so you are switching hits, don't do it randomly though, do it in rhythmic patterns. Use stuff like clicks and beeps as well as normal hits and use the fade out function in Renoise's wave editor to get tighter decay on the hits.

Get a load of drum breaks and sample the hat/ghost snare/hat/ghost snare parts and layer them in. Delete hits so most of the time you only have one playing on any given timestep (i.e. linear drumming).

Use the Rxy command to do little fills and glitchy bits, Bxx and Uxx/Dxx also useful. Turn on/off VST devices using X000/X001.

Once you have a decent pattern, copy it a few times and make variants.

https://clyp.it/trygnqi1

Been working on this track for a while, and I'm almost finished. Any thoughts? I'm really happy with the beat and hte overall sound quality

>>72090342
The input system mainly. You want to input a note in Ableton: double click on a grid and then drag/move to its desired position and length, in Renoise: type two characters.

Changing velocity: fiddle about dragging little bars vs type two characters.
Going off grid for swing: turn grid off, zoom in, drag to place vs type two characters.
Cutting up breaks/samples: selecting, copying, dragging vs type three characters.

Similarly with pitch bend, aftertouch, panning and so on. Also doing things like hit/synth switching in a normal DAW is a pain in the arse, having to have one track per instrument is dumb.

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Should i buy this little fella?

If not what other affordable synths should i go for?

>>72085061
>How bullshit is the result?
On scale from 1-10?
About a 5. It's not too bad, but it's not too good either.

anyone know how to clean up samples?

>>72090838
Volcas are great starter synths, so if you're new to synth stuff I'd say try it out, they're loads of fun. I've got a volca beat and I love the little guy.

Bleep Labs makes some super small analogue synths that are deffo affordable. My nebulophone isn't the most practical thing in the world, but it does make some super fat sounds.

>>72091652
Can you be more specific?

>>72091673
i got the volca bass, is great, and im eyeing this one cause its kind of cheap but it looks more complex than the other volcas, the sample one would be my second choice, (i dunno if you can load your own samples but i guess so)

i don't have a lot of money though, and if i don't go for this one i would go for another one in a similar range, but i dont know if they are really worth it in quality-price as the volca series

>tfw shitty laptop has no microphone input
>borrow USB microphone from flatmate
>it's impossible to not have the recorded sound be delayed for a few milliseconds and simultaneously be played in FL so I lose my rhythm almost immediately

It worked with a shittier USB microphone I had earlier. Why is it not working this time?

>>72091700
Sounds like your ASIO buffer size is too large

>>72091692
like if there's a shit ton of reverb. Is there anything you can do to get rid of that shit?

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>>72091732
So I should just set it to something lower?
I'll try it later and see if it works. Maybe I need to fiddle around with other things, too.

>>72091700
if this doesnt work >>72091732 dont monitor what you record and then move it till its on time

>>72091751
You want it as low as it can go without introducing audio dropouts/crackling.

512 samples is ~11ms so if the latency sounds much longer than that, there's something else going on.

>>72091791
What bothers me most is that I can hear what I am speaking into the mic but with a slight delay. So this leads me to stumble on my own words. I also tried a lot of stuff to mute this but it seems like I can not record AND have the channel muted.

>>72091827
>What bothers me most is that I can hear what I am speaking into the mic but with a slight delay
yep thats why you shouldn't monitor it

drop the volume or route it to another audio channel and drop the volume of the second one if volume of the recording channel affects the recording volume

>>72091745
Not really. Certainly not well. You could try converting from L/R to mid/side and then lowering the volume on the side channel as reverb is often quite stereo rich, but it will be artifacty as fuck if it even works at all.

>>72091745
acon digital deverberate

>>72091876
When I drop the volume the recorded part is of that volume.

>or route it to another audio channel
Wait, what?

>>72091969
I dunno if F L can, but it should, look for it "route audio to other channels",

Basically the trick would be you send the audio to another channel so you can keep the recording volume in the level you want, but before reaching the master and going to your monitors/headphones your audio travels to a secondary channel in which you drop the volume and this doesn't affect hte volume you are recording at, but does not send the audio to the mas ter therefore you don't hear it, therefore you don't stumble

>>72092011
I will look into that. Thanks!

>>72091899
yo it worked pretty well! The reverb is gone, and it doesn't sound too wonky to me. Thanks anon.

>>72092139
Surprised it worked lol. You could also see if you get better results using this >>72091966 thing. I'd not heard of it before but it looks pretty handy.

how do i make full tracks? I can only seem to get short loops going.

what do you think of this I just made it
https://clyp.it/d4f5v25w

How can I choose the presets on third-party plugins in Ableton? Google isn't helping.

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>>72091751

Look at your device status panel - FL Studio ASIO is adding another 68 milliseconds of latency to your signal chain.

If your USB mic has an ASIO driver listed on the manufacturer's website, install it and use that instead of FL Studio ASIO, if not then use ASIO4All (also built into recent FL Studio versions).

FL Studio ASIO is a last resort and is shite at reducing latency.

>>72092513
Oh, yes, of course. I used it with ASIO 4 All and it had the problem. I will look up to see if there's an ASIO driver for the microphone.

>>72092195
try copying the structure of a basic song u like

>>72085995
nice death grip

so will the intro pastebin ever be updated? It's lacking in almost half it's links.

When i use the asio4all driver on audio settings, i cant her audio from youtube on my pc, just can hear audio from fl studio

Any way to fix this?

>>72092677
I always thought this was more of a feature than a bug.

>>72092677
I think it's supposed to do that

>>72092677

ASIO4All (like native ASIO drivers) bypass your PC's audio mixer layer(s) to allow the application using ASIO to communicate directly with your audio device with lower latency - while ASIO is active it has exclusive control over your device so the standard Windows mixer is locked out.

It's by design that it does this - if ASIO plugged into the Windows mixer like all other applications do then you'd be able to play sound from all of your other applications but at that point ASIO would be slowed down by the very thing it was designed to bypass.

Think of it as a way of making you concentrate on making your music.

>>72084571
they offered me the totally legit *GUARANTEED* 1000 likes and AT LEAST 300 REAL followers, and that i had to play some retarded game (and then most likely spam their message so they don't get banned (until they eventually did))

>>72084844
>4 exposure
>literally https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt
fuck you, pay me first

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Made this chill beat while waiting for the space station to flyover tonight. Thoughts?
https://clyp.it/peifjsmz

Do you guy recommend having "loudness equalization" turned on in Windows while mixing?

>>72085422
>but every time I try to type letters like q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o,p or so it plays a note and doesn't write anything. How do I fix this? I have FL Studio 12.
>>72085422
>>72085422


HOW

ARE YOU PEOPLE

THIS FUCKING RETARDedDEdeD

>>72094414
no i turn all of that bullshit off

>>72094414
no. turn that shit off.

>>72094469
everything on my computer has seemed really quiet recently, but turning that on made everything sound normal?
on for listening to music, off for mixing maybe?

>>72094570
What "loudness equalization" does is essentially add a compressor/limiter to your audio output. It sounds "normal" because it's louder all of the time, but you're losing dynamic range in the trade-off.

What are you using, speakers or headphones?

>>72094722
headphones, ath-msr7

>>72094275
Pretty dope anon, what do you flip this from?

>>72094897
I'm assuming you mean where'd I get the sample.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxR9fJUP8g

>>72094943
There's lots of good bits in there.

>>72094275
What's that sound hanging out in the back? Is it a rainstick?

>>72095059
Sounds like static, could be a transposed rain recording too

>>72094771
>>72094570
>spending this much on headphones when you dont even know what loudness equalisation is

fuckkk

>>72095059
It's dry leaves rustling.

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>>72082853
Vocals kind of rough in some places I know

https://clyp.it/uozob05g

>>72094414
nah, i just normalize the master mix to -3.0 dB

>>72095133
I still make good music you meanie

Anyone no what shitty old mixers to get for some lo fi grit on mics and drum machines etc. Looking at the Boss Bx8 at the moment, anyone got any experience with them?

On a vaguely related note, anyone get any of the ridiculously cheap "vintage" digital effects units from the 80's? Thinking about a yamaha reverb but don't know if it's worth it over some good plugins. ANy thoughts?

>>72092966
Oh nice, thanks for the info

>>72094275
fuck thats a clean mix
how do you do that

>>72096659
+1

>>72095468
you've gone for such a nice wide sound on the swirly vocals and guitars and such that it seems a shame to have these swampy monophonic drums sounding all sad in the center of the mix. They stick out a lot.

Also the guitar recording could be a bit tighter (and brightened up EQ wise) I'm basically never a fan of panned bass guitar, that one should be siting more in the center of the mix, it's also so quiet you barely hear it and it could be a lot louder without interrupting anything else in the mix.

also I'm sure you already know the vocal harmonies are often not perfectly pitched.

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https://clyp.it/vm0q0ydw

it's gonna start with some sci fi sound effects and a little vocoded voice going "Begin the love attack" then the bit at the start will play.

>>72096659
Not sure what you mean. I just tweak things until they sound good.

>>72096850
did you master?

>>72096871
All I did to finish it off after mixdown was to run it through a limiter a couple of times.

>>72096965
what's the point of putting your master through a limiter more than once?

>>72097015
maybe just for a/b mixing if the first one isnt quite as loud as you want but you dont want to ruin what you've done, run it thru another one then you can take the second one off if you dont like it? just my 2c

>>72097015
Iunno, force of habit from doing it at work all the time. It's set to boost by 3, limit to -1, so I just repeat the command to get to 6.

I'm a lazy bastard.

>>72097213
Wouldn't that lead to too much gain reduction? Shouldn't you not do that? (for some reason)

>>72097264
As far as I can tell, the only side-effect is that it doubles down on the attack/release - which in this case I think is desirable.

Also, bear in mind I'm doing all of this in Audition. YMMV with other DAWs.

Okay so what is the best all around DAW that isn't Ableton or FL?

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as a beginner, I can never finish anything, and it's very frustrating. most i get is a few loops, maybe 30 seconds of material tops, and then i don't know how to follow. should i concentrate on finishing whatever i start, without any excuses, or do i keep ctrl+n until i find a loop i'm in truly in love with and finish that?

pic related, it's my face after fiddling around an hour in ableton

>>72097754
cubase

>>72097826
Why do you think that, I'm interested

>>72097896
Strikes the nicest balance of nice to record external instruments and live stuff with and having good features for composing and writing music ITB, keep in mind these guys invented the piano roll and you never forget that using cubase.

It's used by like 90% of film composers for that reason.

made some orchestral stuff for a change what do you guys think

https://clyp.it/sjumwzow

https://clyp.it/g1qpgnpv

>>72085995
Dope

Change the hi hats at the beginning.

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Who records acoustic instruments here? I'm looking to get a pair of cheap-ish condensers for stereo miking some of my instruments. Any recommendations? I'm looking at a Rode M5 pair so far

>>72098498
never tried anything cheaper than the NT5s, they're pretty solid though. rode makes some great value stuff

>>72098059
>https://clyp.it/sjumwzow
Good until it repeated itself. Also tell me the BPM and I'll make a bassline

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https://clyp.it/4pp10uzu

chief keef

>>72101047
Gets better toward the end

*not a single good beat maker itt*

>>72101074
>beat maker
beats are not even music

>>72082853
yo guys, absolute beginner here. I need a midi controller. which keyboard synth will be the best? my budget is really tight so the cheaper it is the better.
I'm looking for it having aftertouch and semi weight as well, so i can really modulate Diva with it.
thanks

>>72101017
Tempo is automated

>>72101407
No

>>72101274
Are you sure you need one though?

>>72101481
I don't know what you mean?
There are many things such as pressure modulation and velocity mapping that can't be done or is an absolute headache in the DAW, and the midi controller makes it easier

>>72101510
alesis q49/v49 is pretty cheep

>>72102075
nvm they dont have aftertouch, only the VI version (more expensive)

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>>72101241

>>72101074
well it's a good thing you showed up and posted a beat to show us all how it's done... oh wait

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>>72096733
I'll give the mix a shot, I know I can't sing that well either

>>72102075
i can afford something upto around $200
aftertouch ones are pretty expensive, so i was debating between alesis or novation mk2

>>72090708
>You want to input a note in Ableton: double click on a grid and then drag/move to its desired position and length, in Renoise: type two characters.
>Changing velocity: fiddle about dragging little bars vs type two characters.
>Going off grid for swing: turn grid off, zoom in, drag to place vs type two characters.
i just use midi controllers for all that

https://clyp.it/ppwinmor

Any feedback on this?

brump

>>72102796
I said programming musical information rather than performing it tbf

Here's something I've been working on for a little bit. Its a soulful sampled hip hop beat, excuse the poor mixing, I recorded it directly into audacity from the daw

https://clyp.it/ie0fvgbn

Don't know what to do with this, might just turn it into an ambient track

https://clyp.it/yfyt2hli

How do you decide what genre music do you want to produce? I love listening to all music genres, how do I decide of I should make EDM Aphex Twin or Tiesto or Martin Garrix style, or if I should try to make Tycho or sufjan Steven type stuff?

>>72105483

Just start experimenting and see what you flow with better

>>72088042
big mood

>>72105483
Why limit yourself, if you love everything then just make everything!

>>72105742
I have to feed myself that's why, there comes a commercial aspect sooner or later

>>72105845
Commercial music =/= Genre, it's about memorable melodies and hooks, you can literally make any kind of genre you want but if you want it to be commercial just get memorable melodies and hooks on them, but don't limit your creativity and try to force yourself to do just one thing it'll make shit very hard for you.

>>72103749
>https://clyp.it/ie0fvgbn
i think you only bounced the left wave file

it's cool though

>>72106014
Cool

Hey /mu/

Just a local remix contest for an artist in my town, i have the arrangement and general vibe here. Just wanted some secondary opinions on the overall track.

https://clyp.it/mboobfh3?token=ac4c06a2216444a36526d75062f93495

>>72082853
Wassup Music Homies? Can I have some feedback on this?

https://clyp.it/pfsdhx4n

Have been working on this for a little while, Some feed and ideas would be dope https://clyp.it/x1rbovhw

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Which of these are the actual 'Hello' chords, it's driving me crazy

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HRLzFJdc61

>>72107231
google 'chord inversions'

>>72107497
well which one sounds better? I like the first one, 2nd one sounds out of tune

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>>72095955
Depends what you mean by lofi grit? Mackie mixers from the early 90's are well known in the jungle scene for creating that early jungle 808 distorted bass. Most analog mixers from the 80's and 90's will distort stuff pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nJYoHFDaI


my newest dubstep track to my doomsday mixtape

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how could a rapper with so many good producers have such a shitty cover? do producers cost that much?

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>>72107914

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nJYoHFDaI


my new dupstep track

>>72107914
>>72107937
lol you literally never improve it's crazy

>>72082853

D112 vs Beta52a - anyone have a preference?

>>72107914
wait is this real

if so lol

>>72082853
idk if the fl studio users only edition is ironic or not, but i just want to say that FL is a fucking monster of a program that is only de-legitimized by the sheer number of untalented newbies that flock to it

>>72084371
Inactive currently, but around. I've been feeling like making some D&B/Trip Hop stuff for awhile

>>72107086
Took a brake and did some more to it: https://clyp.it/rdhzomda
feedback would be nice

>>72108806
Audix d6

>>72108806
sennheiser 421

I'm looking at getting some monitoring speakers; what would be a good starting set?

>>72107914
>>72107937
>>72108141
>>72108875

I reckon thats pretty lit desu

>>72108899
The thing is, you can't tell what daw was used on a well made song

>>72084451
>Make a shitty generic beat
>Pay some starving vocalist 20 bucks to make retarded noices
>Add some faggy effect to his voice
>Add some anime or 80s bullshit video that has nothing to do with the song
>think you're talented because your videos get a few thousands views by teenagers.

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>>72085336
>ableton duh

why is it ALWAYS you faggots with the inferiority complex? enjoy your terrible workflow buddy

>>72110539
yes, other people have an inferiority complex, that's why it's you who gets mad about a certain daw's user base and their comments towards your daw.

>>72110669
>literally 'i know you are but what am i'

don't you have some memerap to be making beats for

>>72098498
AKG P170s, use them on every acoustic instrument I record now

>>72110844
it's not "i know you are but what am i" to point out that what you said actually applies to you but doesn't apply to the other guy

maybe you should stop taking all the bait and see if it makes your life better

>>72110844
also of course triggered fl users are the type of people to use words like "memerap" lol

any online programs like mario paint that are easy to just jump into and dick around on but easier to save?

It's all about the layering, isn't it?

Anybody here have any experience with using Sibelius and then exporting it and using it in Ableton?

>>72096807
this is awesome

>>72111803
Yes.

>>72083506
I know that feel

>>72084451
>sample an obscure 80s song
>eq it so it sounds nice and loud
>put an 80s beat over it
>find some vocals

>>72084966
its not that hard

just sample the amen break from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZuq57_bYM

Then chop the sample and rearrange to your liking's

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made this last week. I was wondering how it sounds on your system. Let me know your monitoring setup or headphones and how it sounds.

https://clyp.it/dwchtgib

name my genre, also feedback on the mix

https://clyp.it/22zzjkhy

>>72112554
Sony MDR 7506 and this sound really really dope dude that B section is crazy

>>72112894
metronome-core
or trying-too-hard-core

>>72112974
I could try less hard, but then I would just make pointless boring music like everyone else

>>72096807
I find this kind of gay sounding because its too happy, pretty good though.

>>72112554
krk's and it starts to get harsh in the hi end around 1:13-1:35

>>72111803
layer what?

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http://www.absyntmyndz.com/old-habits-lp.html

Let us know what you guys think, Thanks!

>>72096807
I would slow the bpm down but that's just my opinion, also maybe missing some low end and volume from the kick, maybe more low end from the bass as well

>>72114516
post clyps only
don't post your stupid album art, no one cares

fuck off

>>72112986
Yea that was pretty boring too

>>72112986
Nah that track was still pointless and boring. It just sounded cluttered too.

>>72114516
>absynt myndz

faggot

https://clyp.it/o3sgsf1x

Just an idea,

is this somewhat interesting or is it just annoying? it's like 05:00 in the morning here and I cant tell anymore.

>>72113989
alright thank you that's really helpful

>>72112951
thanks dag

>>72096807
nice eurobeat, but the low end is kind of flat, maybe a better kick sample?

https://clyp.it/pk5lpso4

whachu think guys? I felt like it needed more in the low-mid range but didn't want to add another track so I just cranked the reverb in that frequency range, does it sound OK?

>>72111886
thanks

>>72113061
not that there's anything wrong with that

>>72114545
This actually is slowed down, from 155 to 150.

>>72115426
this comes up a lot, eurobeat low end can actually be surprisingly thin sometimes and I like to keep the bass end nice and light so I can fill the limiter up with more treble. (I used to do an eq cut on the master actually). If you use a kick that has too much booty on a eurobeat track with a lot of fast kick rolls and it shit it gets ugly fast.

In this case I definitely went a bit thin so I've thiccened it up and it's sounding a bit nicer.

I'll upload another clyp once I've written a bit more.

>>72115297
It's somewhat interesting, not annoying. Make a song.

>>72115745
okay, will do.

Does anyone here actually do music for realz, like DJ your own music or get shit released on a label or anything?

>>72097776
I dunno if you gonna read this, but you are thinking wrong

Starting a song on a daw is a daunting thing cause you have to go through maaaany stages before you finish it

1-First you gotta play around till you find something you like
2-Then you gotta turn it into a structured song
3-Then you gotta fill all the other instruments
4-Then you gotta sound design each instrument
5-Then you gotta finish the arrangement with flowers and all
6-Then you gotta produce it
7-Then you gotta mix it
8-Then you gotta master it

IMO you should divide your time in a disciplined fashion, your goal is to go from step 1 to 7, the 8th is more difficult and nobody is expecting you to go that far, you can use LANDR or learn the basics, but theres an entire profession for just that

You say you can do 30sec loops, im supposing with every instrument, so you are at the end of 3rd step, entering the 4th/5th. now you gotta learn 1 - how to make variations, 2- how to make switches, 3 - how to keep it entertaining. Also sound design.

Listen to a lot of techno, they are the masters of turning a 4bar loop into a full song, pay attention to how they keep the interest and focus of the listener in the track.

When you start learning that you kind of will be at the doors of production, you just gotta apply the same ideas to the full length of the track.

Then comes mixing, that is kind of similar but more based on volume automation and sends automation play.

>>72116193
I used to...

>>72097776
Just don't even bother making music, every second cunt on earth makes music these days and no one cares anymore

>>72116193
You gotta network friend

>>72116342
What exactly did you do and why did you stop?

>>72116370
I don't want to, I hate the electronic music scene with a passion and also everyone involved in it. Just curious is all.

>>72116193
i just do it because i like it

>>72116422
then you arent gotta reach shit, im very sorry to break this with you but in order to make a decent buck in ANYTHING you gotta make friends in the area

Oh boy, here I go, fucking around with samples again!

https://clyp.it/bksmsgfd

>>72116461
I don't think you quite understand, I don't want to DJ or do anything or the sort, I just like making music for fun. I was just wondering if anyone else here does that kind of stuff.

>>72116521
wouldn't it be more fun if you could do it 24/7?

>>72116422
I've had vinyl and digital releases on a handful of labels under different monikers. This was 10 years ago. Drum n Bass and Dubstep. Never made any money at it other than DJing. Made some money writing music for commercials but not enough to live off of.

I just got older, and realized the dream wasn't going to pan out.

I still write and spin records, just don't share it any more.

also, nice dubs

>>72116534
Um yeah I guess but I make weird music that would never have any kind of mainstream appeal. I actively try to make music that sounds different to what people expect and ignore almost all advice as to how to get it to sound 'better' (gayer) because I am just an insufferably cunt like that and it feeds my superiority complex.

>>72116472
e-spinner?

>>72116583
Cool man. Did you feel like you were making music to fit a certain set of expectations?

>>72116623
yes and no. the genres are very formulaic to be DJ friendly. I always wrote other, weird stuff, but none of that I ever pushed to be signed.

I had a younger friend, and at the time I thought I was doing him a favor by telling him to quit music and focus on life since it didn't work for me. I really had his best interest in heart at the time, but I crushed him. Looking back its one of my biggest regrets.

He wasn't particularly fantastic but it wasn't my place to tell him that. He still hasn't returned to writing music and I always wonder what he might have written if I hadn't ruined it.

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>>72116583
>10 years ago
did you drop out before the EDM boom or did you give up during?

>>72116193
ahah.. hahaa aha hhahhahahhaa
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

no

>>72116586
yeah lad but if you network in the weird music scene you gotta make contacts that will help you live out of it

you dont need to befriend normies, but you need a group to kill a mamoth

>>72116716
Started DJing in 1997, writing a few years later. took me ten years until I got anything released. I was doing Drum n Bass until around 2006, then switched to dubstep.

https://clyp.it/4hqwg0xe

It's not electronic, but I did make it in FL, so...
Any suggestions? It's not really done, just a few parts of the song strung together.

>>72116694
True, I come from a family of musicians, my dad more or less 'made it' in that he played in touring bands for years, had a couple of TV appearances and got a bit of radio airplay, now he's poor as fuck playing in covers bands at nearly 70 years of age. My brother is a pretty talented guitarist and songwriter but he's been an alcohol his whole life so he never made anything of himself.

For that reason I never though of music as something anyone should seriously pursue, I have put so much time and effort into it and am pretty talented in a number of ways but I can't take it seriously as a career path.

Do you regret that the nature of the scene is that your weird stuff would never get anywhere but the more genre-friendly stuff got signed?
That is a real problem I have with electronic music.

>>72116726
There is literally no electronic music scene at all where I live, let alone a weird experimental underground electronic music scene. Also see above for my attitude on living off music.

>>72105845
if this is you:
>EDM Aphex Twin or Tiesto or Martin Garrix style, or if I should try to make Tycho or sufjan Steven type stuff?
then you are fucking far, far, far away from considering making even a little bit of money, let alone a living, off of music.

What do y'all think of logic?

>>72116882
I've been booked to play weird stuff before, usually in a chill room, or art show setting. But I like both the weird and the genre friendly stufff, so no regrets there.

If you are working on some seriously weird shit, please continue. Every few years someone would come along and there shit was so alien, but so good that it ended up changing the genre as a whole or creating its own sub-genre. Think Ed Rush and Optical's Wormhole album.

desu, most, MOST successful electronic artists aren't signed to a label. Instead they create and run their own labels. Usually at a monetary loss, but for love of the music. At least at first.

>>72116974
>Think Ed Rush and Optical's Wormhole album
I haven't heard this before, just listening now. is this what launched what people call neuro now?

I honestly can't imagine anyone liking what I do on a large scale but I'm going to keep doing what I do regardless, maybe one day someone will decide it is some revolutionary shit but I'm not holding my breath.

>>72116597
Yip.

>>72117083
yeah, very few people were doing that at the time. shit, it was still referrd to as jungle music then for the most part. They really blew shit up as far as tech-step /. nuerofunk is considered. I still listen to this album a few times a year. Maybe its nostalgia, but i think it holds up as a groundbreaking release.

>>72117117
neato, your beats always end up rock solid, wish you had more followers.

onto the feedback, I think the drums are a bit to clean and I think the beat needs to be slightly more sluggish to accompany the dreamy soundscape.

>>72117159
In a way I would hate it if I had made some innovative and groundbreaking album then a whole bunch of other cunts tried to sound like it and made a more boring shitty version of what I had already done.

Do you know of anything from recent times that is breaking new ground in the same sort of way? I was really liking Carpenter Brut's stuff, a lot of people say its typical synthwave but he has a way of injecting a whole lot more life into the sound than anyone else I've heard. I'd fall asleep listening to most of those faggots trying too hard to sound like they are an 80s movie soundtrack.

>>72116951
Logic is really good. It's one of the cheaper daws if you own a Mac and is worth it's price alone just for the native plugins. Alchemy is one hell of a synth

>>72117201
Thanks, Man.

And yeah, I was leaning that way. I'l have to revisit this tomorrow with fresh ears. Either that or get my taxes done.

What do you think of fabfilter synths?

>>72117233
I listen to a little bit of synthwave, but not enough to make a call.

I'm getting old and kind of stuck in my own world, so I am not a good judge of anything new outside of underground techno.

Whether you are looking for advice or not, here is some:

Just do you. But don't get lazy, always be learning about gear, software, synthesis, recording techniques, etc. Listen to lots of types of music. And most importantly know this:

You will never be discovered. If you want to be heard you will have to work. Not write great music, but work at finding ways to be successful. Start your own label. and network. knowing people is more important than how good a DJ or producer you are.

also, i'd like to listen to anything you've got if you'll share.

>>72117332
I posted a couple songs earlier, you probably already listened to them and didn't like them.

>>72115722
>>72112894

>>72117397

Again, I'm way too old and out of the loop to even guess at what genre these might be. THe're different, but not genre-bending imho.

I'd like to hear the songs redone and each sound beefed up, fattened a little more. More attention to the mix and the sounds than the composition. take it for what its worth (just my opinion)

if you want to check out some of my recent music:

https://makodath.bandcamp.com/

>>72117312
FabFilter Twin is one of my go-to synths. I really love it

>>72082853
I've been working on this track since January. Would like some feedback on the mix and composition https://clyp.it/c3v3djij

>>72090838
Big meme, you'll end up transferring patches from Dexed. Maybe if you actually need it for live stuff but I doubt you do.

>>72090838
bought a volca sampler and I never touch it....

What makes a good folk song? Also, would you consider the song Rock Bottom Riser folk?

>>72117572
i don't know what the fuck i just heard.

you are talented and as a composition its good, but the sounds are bland. espc the drums.

>>72117496
I'm not so good at mixing yet, still getting used to how to make as much sound as possible while keeping things balanced. Checking out some of your music now.

>>72117572
Sounds like you listened to too much Dream Theater. The composition is interesting but there isn't really much to latch on to so it ends up sounding like a bit of a mess of different melodies and rhythms.

If you compare it to something like this there is a lot going on here too but there are always little bits that are easy to follow, I feel like your song needs more stuff like that instead of just being all over the show the whole time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmo1VW_wA_o

>>72117732
>Checking out some of your music now.

thanks.
this was recorded to cassette. don't want to be a hypocrite regarding the mix.... the lo-fi sound was intentional.

either way,thanks for listening. i don't share often

>>72117572
way-to-prog-for-me/10

nothing against you or your track, but I cant get into mathy prog music, I want to feel and vibe with the music I'm listening to, not having to run excell just to figure out when I'm supposed to tap my foot to the beat.

Sounds good though, maybe bring the cymbals more forward to get a bit more energy, just roll a slight off the top if you do that as they are pretty bright allready.

>>72117649
You are right that it is bland, I just can't pinpoint what it is. Is it missing dynamic? Maybe I'm relying too much on synths/MIDI for this track and thus loosing the 'organic' feel. For my past release I only used really quiet synths in the background to create more of a "wall of sound" and had the guitars in the front. And those recordings do sound more 'exciting'.

>>72117732
I've actually been listening to too much Animals as Leaders but Acid Rain is my favorite LTE track! I can see what you mean though, each section has a hook in the midst of the craziness, while my track doesn't really.
I was initially going for a more technical track as I've never made one before and my previous release was more focused on musicality Though I don't want to make something that's flashy but rapes your soul in the process.

Thanks for the feedback y'all

>>72117908
There are a lot of nice musical ideas there but you need to just sit on a few of them for a while. Sounds like you are a talented dude though good luck with music and stuff.

>>72117908
>relying too much on synths/MIDI
this.
it sounds like the composition and guitar are your favorite parts. best advice is to find or make a band of other musicians to play with.

>>72117908
to chip in as another anon here.

Listen to what the traditional jazz guys did, they established a theme very early on where most of the guys where playing, then they went off on a tangent, going through each instrument with solo parts, but they always ended back on the theme again, anchoring it when it started to get a bit out there.

maybe you want to cresendo your compositional progy'nes, start off easy after the theme, then it builds and builds and gets harder to keep track off untill it almost boils over and at that moment you land back on the theme.

buildup and release.

>>72082853
Need to buy new headphones, should I go for the ATH M40x, M50x or the Sony MDR 7506?

>>72118130
Beats by Dre

>>72118138
kys

>>72118130
sennheiser

>>72118130
m50x

>>72117796
Luckily for you, its all 4/4 except for the little doodley riff before the last solo. But yes i'll turn up the cymbals for dat dere energy. I guess i turned them too low this time 'cause sometimes having them too loud kills the whole mix.
>>72117970
Thank you. I have noticed that I don't fully develop a lot of ideas more for the sake of having more "fresh" ideas. I realize now it's the whole quantity/quality debate.
>>72118003
I get exactly what you're getting at. Like that part in the middle of "Echoes" by Pink Floyd that just throws you completely the fuck off and then comes back into the main theme after a few minutes. Feels like catharsis.

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>>72118130
skullcandy

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@72118169
@72118243
thanks for all the (You)s my friend. Unfortunately none for you

>>72118306
i have the ath m40x headphones and i think they are alright they sound pretty flat but they feel weak on the hinges where they rotate like they are easy to snap

REEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT THE FUCK I HAD A COMPLETELY ORIGINAL SONG THAT SOUNDED AMAZING IN MY DREAMS BEFORE I WOKE UP.

Why the fuck can't i think of this amazing music while i'm awake? I'm barely creative outside the times i get completely random inspiration(like could be #1 on the radio type shit) anyone got any tips on how to reliably get inspiration and create ideas whilst awake?

>>72118348
Get high
Or get sleep deprived like many artists.
Or sleep with a recorder, as soon as you get a melody wake up, hum it in and go back to bed

>>72118478
>>72118348
Yeah, I'm always the most creative at like 3 in the morning. I would start with that before the drug route.

>>72109422
fire! how long you been making beats?

>>72114318
Instruments. I never found a sample which can be alone as a lead, even it is some of the higher quality ones, like those from Omnisphere. I layered like 5 different guitars and only now it feels good and full.

>>72116694
thats really sad.

blimp

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Thank you to whoever decided to create this thread, very much appreciated.

What's the best way to learn structure? Should one just decide on a genre and analyze the fuck out of it?

>>72086949
4 0 4 disappointment

>>72107231
They both sound correct. Greg Kurstin produced this and sometimes in pop songs, the way the chord progression played deviates in the slightest of ways to vary it up as the song goes on.

these variations are so slight and subtle that they aren't recognizable as new chords or new sections but just slightly altered voicings of the material the listener is familiar with.

>>72120621
Make a playlist of your favorite tracks, set it to random and then do a different once each day.

Start with the marco (instrumentation, sections, key, chord-progs and if the prog changes in different sections) then try your hand at the micro (how do they transition between sections? what is the relationship between the text and the music?)

>>72121300

Thanks for the advice, I'll try to do just that. I am pretty new, so I guess I'll be spending months on just one track as I the music theory that will allow me to even begin to understand what's happening on the song.


Should I learn notation and transcription first?

what do you guys think of Behringer model D?

>>72121733
it's not out yet and there are no demos out, how could we form an opinion?

>>72121791
my thought is minimoog is known for its very useable filter, but I heard it is very hard to copy or clone one. What do you think?

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>>72117908
Yo. You clearly have a good notion of where to put silence and rests, but I'd argue that the way you attack immediately after a rest lacks ambition (which I know is a hell of a statement given how your track sounds. The problem is kinda that the lead doesn't take any breaks so there's no clear way to tell that a new part is happening. This leads to it sounding monotonous given how repetitive the first lead chunk is (look at the lead in isolation).

Another thing you could look at to improve your sound (not that it's bad, perhaps improve is a strong word, maybe diversify?), is more usage of contrary motion (lead instrument goes up, bass goes down, synth expands).

I don't know if any of that is helpful, it's 1AM where I am and I have a 50 word essay due tomorrow. Please listen to my track that I stayed up all night making instead of doing my work, I feel like we may go about things in similar manners.

https://soundcloud.com/saltyvest/fusion-cowboy

>>72122008
>50 word essay

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>>72122075
Look man I've got this 40 word essay due and I'm really trying why are you ragging on me for my 30 word essay my word this 20 word essay is going slow at this rate I'm going to be up all night doing this 10 word title page.

>>72092513
not him but wheneverI switch to asio4all FL crashes for me. I already tried reinstalling asio drivers and it worked for maybe 2 boot ups. anyone else have this problem?

I perfected my skill of not finishing anything so much that when I make some decent sound, I record half a minute of music and immediately go to the next idea without even looking back. I got so used to that now, that I don't even think about how would I develop what I already have, fuck.

>>72122296
I perfected my skills of procrastinating and postponing everything. Haven't updated my sc a few years. I know this sucks but I find myself quite happy listening to a lot of music than actually producing anything.

>>72122296
>>72122502
Don't ever finish anything. If you leave something half finished then you know it had potential to be something good because you are a uniquely talented and special individual, if only you could focus your skills enough for the world to see how amazing you are.

If you actually finish it then it never works out as good as you thought it should, then you realize that you are just another worthless piece of trash and no one will ever give a shit about you or anything you do.

Ignorance is bliss lads.

>>72123029
I hope you're being ironic about this.

On the other hand, there are a a lot of music that feels unfinished on purpose which I happen to like a lot, and also there is deconstructed stuff that doesn't follow the guide lines and market imposed regulations. Each time I think about opening a DAW I can't help but feel that I'm being overwhelmed by the grid, the step sequencers and the chain of plug-ins I'm supposed to use in the process, I know it's just me but this part of routine is an instant turn off. And actually I'm not against repetition in music at all.

>>72123029
But you see, the problem with me is that I start hating my project every single time at some point. I almost finished a few of the songs, but I just got sick of them somewhere in the mixing stage and stopped working on them.

And no matter how much praise I get from here every time - I will still hate it with passion. I don't know what to do.

>>72117496
You soundlike you are as old as me. I bought my first sampler in 97 in the hope of making jungle, but ended up being more interested in just fucking about with making strange noises with my sampler and never really bothered to make any jungle tracks...pretty much still doing the same now, sometimes I'll spend a weekend using samples I've made and create a 2 bar loop, then delete all my samples and start again.
What sort of underground techno do you listen to? I'm kinda out of the loop now too and hardly ever listen to any new stuff.

>>72123283
You just gotta push through it and focus on the small details of things you need to get right, I hate everything I have ever done and hate myself for being so stupid as to waste so much time making shit music that no one will ever like, but music is the only thing I know and the only thing I love and I am driven by an endless desire to do something that I feel represents me and my take on what music can be.

I fail every time but every day I get closer, it's an unreachable goal and I will die unfulfilled but what can you do, this is the life I chose and this is what life chose for me in equal parts so I just keep making shitty tunes.

Is using Omnisphere for synthesis instead of Sylenth/Diva/Serum a bad choice?

>>72123688
I don't know I still use Massive for everything like it's 2011 or something

>>72117496
>obelisk
It's p good. I remember myself listening to a lot of such stuff back in 2010-11. It's kind of correlate with what you said earlier about the "hopelessness of musical devotion".

>>72084371
>>72084371
not quite jungle but on the 174 vibe

https://clyp.it/kob5owtx

>>72123945
I feel like the modulations on the bass should be more rhythmic, it sort of contrasts the beat too much and ruins the flow. A lot of it would be as simple as dragging the track back a few ms so the wah parts sit on the beat.

Breddy gud DnB tho from someone who is a casual DnB fan and knows almost nothing about the genre.

>>72124575
fuck you i wont do what you tell me

but really it was an experiment in different mixing techniques much less about composition

safe though

Thread's nearly dead but can anyone think of a VST that'd be good for recreating the 50s-Disney-movie style choir sound? That super reverby falsetto sound like in Motion Picture Soundtrack. I'm in love with it and would like you use it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVqSj1cxrJM&list=PLEFBEB93EAA197277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lbfEb8MMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ju8xO_Zvfo

>>72124808
Sausage fattener

>>72118130
beyerdynamics

>>72123688
omnisphere is the GOAT my hard drive just can't afford it atm

>>72124825
hey wait a minute that's not very helpful at all

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>>72124855
which ones?

>>72124888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
NOO, NOOO
TURN THE VIDEO OFF

>>72125157
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