/gg/ - guitarfag and bassfag general

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>Karl Sanders is a meme guitarist but Steve "3 fucken necks lol" Vai is legit
Man this general sucks

>>71533118
>steve vai is gay af edition
idk why but this made me laugh

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seriously though look at this homo

could something bad happen if i put my guitar in a truck

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Is Joe Satriani just Bald Vai, or is there more to him?

>>71533166
Bald Vai.

I seriously haven't heard anything in Satch's playing that Vai couldn't do better. Satch is a guitar player, Vai is a musician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x668-BgXDMM
how does one play like dave rawling
he's so fucking sublime

All of those virtuoso Ibanez playing guys are faggots and you're a piece of shit if you like them.

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Who does Steve Vai think he is

>>71533118
>vai is gay
>posts link to vai guitar lesson

Fucking cuck. Also Vai>Satriani not even close

>>71533166
Joe Satriani plays 4 chords and wanks for 3-5 minutes. Steve Vai composes music and works in all sorts of clever playing styles and phrasing. It's apples and oranges.

In fact people comparing Vai and Satriani (or at least thinking they're extremely similar) is a great pleb filter.

>>71533259
>implying Vai isn't pure wankery

Lol fuck off m8

>>71533309
>turns on song
>no singing
>"man this intro is long"
>still no singing
>"Wtf?"
>guitar solo starts
>"He's just fucking wanking!"

>>71533259
>muh shit sandwich

>>71533333
>turns on song
>it's fucking shit
>"Wow what talent and artistry! What playing tecniques!!!"
>"I shall go on 4chan to validate my shit taste! I hope they accept me"

>another thread spent jacking off arguing about talent less has been guitarists

Neither Vai nor Satriani are worth talking about.

Grow the fuck up you dumb virgins.

>>71533472
I love Vai and this was fucking hysterical.

>Eddie's rhythm guitar was better than his lead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3u6WBBUZPE

>>71533472
>starts thread with a picture of steve vai
>literal shit is getting posted before the thread reaches 20 posts

I fucking hate you all

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should i buy this?

>>71533531
>ibanez

No.

>>71533544

What's wrong with Ibanez?

>>71533567
Nothing. In case you haven't noticed, you're in the shitposting general

>>71533396
>he thinks anybody cares about validation from him

in fact please trip up so I never have to see your window licking-tier posts ever again

>>71533499
that lead pan from left to right was so fucking pointless

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>>71533472
>tfw you accidentally admit you eat pieces of shit

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badass LP

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>>71533812

I like how all the Vai white knights disappeared as soon as it hit 12:00 on the west coast. That high school bedtime routine kicked in hard and they couldn't hold their eyes open anymore.

Imaging going to bed that asshurt. Sweet dreams, right?

>>71533857
Dude nobody wants to talk about steve fucking vai, shut up.

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Hi,
I just bought a bass, and I have no idea what I'm doing.

Are these normal looking/well set bass strings ?

>>71533812
>>71533837
I personally do not agree with the aesthetics of matte finish guitars, especially matte purple. It looks like it belongs to a Ninja Turtle

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>>71533857
kek
>goodnight sweet prince

>>71533885
also should the E and G strings touch the head that way or is it bad design ? It just feels like they should go directly from the nut to the mechanic...

I might have to change the mechanics too, they feel weak and I have to tune the bass every ten minutes...

>>71533885
Does it have a nut?

>>71533885
>>71533957

Looks like you bought crap.

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>>71533984
Well yes... don't all guitar have ?

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>>71533259
IDK i think Satriani is just wanking with some violins underneath. It was painful to listen to some song about God he did, can't recall the name.

Eric Johnson will always be the supreme guitar player because his music is actually good and the guitar playing compliments it as opposed to just showing off.

>>71533531
>Ibanez

No.

I can't believe they get away with it in 2016. Trash guitars propped up by Satriani alone.

>>71533875
this. steve vai sucks

>>71534013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jE_-L7vUQ&list=PL2obwDA89sQ0FRDj9DTEEMX_roSFFYiIH

Ironically his best album sold no copies and ended his major label deal.

>>71534011
do you know anything about instruments ?

>>71533615
I like this assblasted Vaifag, he's fun.

>>71534011
Was wondering cause of the funny string angle

Low E string on my acoustic electric is way louder than the other strings when I plug in. what do?

>>71533885
>>71534011
it has no problem. go play it and stay away from /gg/. this place is cancer

>>71534051
kek no wonder. that was fucking awful

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>>71534178
Cool, I was worried that it went out of tune so quickly, but I figured it might be because the strings are new ?

THIS however doesn't feel right on a new instrument :/

I don't know *shrugs*

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>>71533472

>>71534305
Oh, yeah that's fucked up, get it to back to the shop you bought it and have it set up for free

>>71534305
yeah guitars go out of tune
stretch the strings
look up stretching strings on youtube
get off /gg/
don't come back
for your own good

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Vai is pretty cool, don't be a bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpf2IoJZhqI

>>71534353
ask me how I know you're a virgin

>>71534305
Try on a proper tuner, line six is shit for this.

>>71534353
>7:06
kek

I need your help /gg/. I'm trying to remember a multifx pedal I've heard of before. It had the ability to control multiple parameters at the same time bound to the expression pedal, a chord sustain feature, and really lousy distortion. I believe it was a fairly old pedal. It was a full size multifx, probably 4-8 footswitches plus the expression pedal. Anyone got any ideas on this?

I saw it in a video posted here a while back, maybe a year ago. Old video of a guy explaining why he used multifx pedals. Professionally filmed.

>>71534172
maybe you should fix pickup height

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>>71534419
This?

It's a steaming pile of sonic diarrhea

>>71534375
>how I know you're a virgin

Because he posts on /gg/

>>71534471
I'm pretty sure that can do what I mentioned but I am thinking of an older pedal. I'm not sure if you can adjust more than one parameter simultaneously with the expression pedal on the GT-10 or not.

It might be an older boss one. I don't think old zoom pedals can do 2 parameters at once.

What stand and cables do you use, /gg/?

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>>71534649
Maybe this?

Multi-effects pedals are an awful meme and you should avoid them like the plague

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>>71534649
Vox ?

>>71533118
>steve vai
He's mastered his instrument to a degree that, frankly, embarrasses me. I am totally in awe of his ability to transfer the contents of his head to and through his guitar. It's astonishing really. Too bad there's nothing interesting going on in that head.

>>71534752
The fact that Vai has never looked out into his audience, thought "Holy fuck! I have dedicated my life to turning-on pubescent boys!", thrown his 'axe' to the floor and sworn never to play another note is somewhat telling I think.

>>71534763
Part 1

A high school bandmate got really, really into instrumental wank guitarists, he even bought a replica of Vai's Ibanez Gem to replace his Strat, much to all of our dismay. I've heard solid chunks of his career, but the only thing I can remember at the moment is "For The Love Of God" loses whatever "power" the guitar melody has as Vai goes into overly complicated lick after lick. It's the same thing that makes Jeff Beck's instrumental career such a colossal drag; the moments of actual brilliance are drowned out and neutered by suppressing the band for the sake of highlighting the guitar.


I saw Vai live too, last year. The, um, "Generation Axe Tour." Vai, Malmsteen, Nuno Bettencourt, Zakk Wylde, and Tobin Abasi from Animals As Leaders.

My former bandmate bought two tickets and asked me to go with him, and I figured there might be some moment where ridiculous instrumental prowess clicks and I "get" Vai and company. That didn't happen, but we were treated to the bizarre metalcore rhythms of Abasi, the 80's hard rock-hey-wait-this-isn't-terrible schtick of Bettencourt, and Zakk Wylde covering Sabbath and Thin Lizzy.

Abasi and Bettencourt had a duet of some Animals As Leaders tune that featured a riff I wished I could play - the only time that happened in the whole 3 hour event. Wylde, who I actually was looking forward to a little, was a total disappointment. I think he's had the best career of any of those dudes, but the Zakk Wylde we got was the pinch harmonic bullshit dude who's best left to solo on a Nickelback tune. "NIB" sounded cool until the solos, though.

>>71534810
Part 2

Then Yngwie Malmsteen came on.

I've never heard someone assault an audience with such reckless fervor of anti-music until that Norwegian took the stage. Half an hour of white noise would've at least inspired thought, contemplation; instead he just did run after run down the guitar neck, spun it, kicked a pick into the audience, throw it to the roadie, repeat with new guitar. I was angry, frustrated, bewildered. There was no where to go, the bar was serving $8 Bud Light (hellloooooo theatre gigs in Cincinnati!) and the bathroom wasn't nearly insulated enough to save me from the barrage emanating from the stage. If I am truly just a brain in vat only responding to electrical stimuli, the scientists must've been feeling particularly sadistic that evening.

So yeah, when Steve Vai came on - what with his stupid fan under the pedalboard, the snarky comment on how "it wasn't cool to know how to play guitar in the 90's," and tremolo arm animal noises - I was grateful Malmsteen was gone. Is there melody in Vai's playing? Sure, absolutely, it was the most of that entire night. But it's still a far cry from the classical composition it aspires to, it still reeked of ego, and it definitely did not rock.

Compare that Wes Montgomery, or Roy Buchanan, or Lonnie Mack, or any of the surf instrumentalists. They sound like they actually enjoy music, not the accolades you can pick up from making it.

>>71534820
>"it wasn't cool to know how to play guitar in the 90's,"

Lol it must torment him every day of his life that his one really successful solo album came out the year before Grunge/Alternative broke out.

Is Greg Sage one of the most underrated guitarists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0owN4NrEEdw

>inventing guitar styles 10 years before they got popular
>being a genius lyricist

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>it invalidates you opinion if you say this tastes like shit

>>71534326
I bought it online :(

>>71534385
it does the same on my polytune :(

>>71535226
you might want to go ask your questions someplace that's not of full tilt retards man

>>71535388
yeah... you're probably right...
thanks

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>>71535388
>>71535399

>388
>399

>>71534353
>Zappa desperate son and Steve Vai

Hack overload

>>71533396
>arguing against triptrips.

>>71533333

nice quints, shit opinion tho

>>71533812
That's Strat disquised as a LP

I know you guys like to meme on anyone playing the minor pentatonic blues scale BUT
Have you ever tried playing it without emphasizing the root of the chord underneath? And have you ever tried it in anything but the "standard" position where the root is index finger on E string? I'm thinking about shifting my hand down four frets so the root is the middle finger on the g string. In A you'd play in the first position which allows using open strings and puts all the bends (from minor 3rd, from 4th, from 6th and from 7th) on either the ring finger or extended pinky (5th fret) which could be interesting.

>>71535483
It's like you just started playing guitar last week

>>71535509
I've just neglected soloing a lot in the 15 years since I started. Yeah I'm shit. In any case, I'm trying to discuss playing the guitar here.

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>>71535523
everyone plays this scale
everyone has beat this scale to death over the last 50 years
everyone has played this scale every conceivable way

>>71535539
>proceeds to post image that doesn't have the scale shape I'm talking about in it
>no major 6th
>no major 3rd
>root not on second finger on g string
You're one of those "special" kids huh?

>>71533118
steve vai = gay italian
joe satriani = straight italian

>>71535557
You were right in your earlier post. You are indeed shit.

>>71535567
So you've played it in this exact way then?

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>>71535156
>vai listening party

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R8

>>71535595
nothing really turns me on
id probably take the strat and spray paint it flat black though

>>71533118
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>>71533472
>>71533794
>>71534049
>>71534088
>>71534311
>>71535039
>>71535156
>>71535575

Am I retarded for wanting to buy a 100 watt amp even though I'm not in a band and will only be playing with myself (ayyy) and occasional jamming with another guitarist and a drummer?

>>71535668
if its solid state, 100w is kind of low
if its a valve amp, yeah you're insane

>>71535668
Not retarded, but it sounds unnecessary. As someone who bought a 100 watt head and a cab I can say it's not even necessary if you're in a band and playing out. It just made loading my shit up that much harder.

Also, I got a Marshall and hated the tone so that may be another big factor into why I disliked the whole experience so much. But yeah, I'd say get a decent combo amp unless you find yourself in a situation where you feel a 100 watt amp is absolutely necessary.

>>71535701
>It just made loading my shit up that much harder.


Ahahah... *laugh vanishes as the back pain comes back*

>>71535226
Look up videos for doing a full setup

>>71535701
>Also, I got a Marshall

Dumbass

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>>71535595
Great diversity. You just need a 12 string

>>71535677
I should have stated, it is a valve amp I'm lusting after.
>>71535701
The logical part of me agrees with you completely, a 100 watt valve amp will be overkill for me and most likely the vast majority of guitarists. I probably will go for a 20 watt instead, though a 20 watt valve amp cranked will wreck your hearing pretty damn hard too

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>mexican strats
>playing acoustic with a pick
>Ibanez
>"I play by ear"
>not being able to read sheet music
>not being able to play any classical pieces
>more pedals than strings
>Korean anything
>sitting cross legged and playing with your eyes closed
>music genres that end in 'core'

"KEK"

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>>71535755
wow, eastwood copied that?

>>71535755
Never seen one of those before, actually digging it even with those sharkfin inlays that I typically hate

>>71535958
I believe so

>>71533166
DALE

>>71535930
Try going for an amp that has pentode/triode switching option or some other way to reduce power if you want. I play in a big band and have never went higher than ~80% volume (clean)on my 50 watt tube amp, altough I sometimes wish for something stronger as the dirty channel compresses a lot more, so I lose a lot of volume.

>>71536091
The amp I'm looking at does have a switch that takes it down from 100 to 50 watts, I probably should have mentioned it as it does give it some more versatility.

>>71536308
That's good, is it a Victory maybe?

Ace frehley is the best guitarist and musician. He also has the best vibrato ever

Listen my stuff

https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria
https://www.youtube.com/user/samuelcf97/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rT5Qagf2D4

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>>71535444
Trips of truth.

What acoustic guitar should I get under $600? I have a Dean Performer E currently and I feel like it's time to upgrade.

>>71536497
gibson hummingbird

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>>71535948
>classical pieces on guitar

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>>71535948
>Getting no pussy at all

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>>71536382
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rT5Qagf2D4

not quite my tempo

>>71536331
Jet City. They're affordable amps which trigger some folks I know but I love the tone that they get, plus there's lot of potential mods that can easily be made to them to tweak their tones. The fx loop is a bit of an Achilles heel but nothing that can't be worked with as long as you know what to look for

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>>71536382

you got no mojo, bro

maybe grow a boho fro and shave that pedo mustacheo

also metronomeo, my mexican hobo bromo

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>>71535523
>In any case, I'm trying to discuss playing the guitar here.

you came to the wrong thread buckaroo

Why do Jazz and Fusion guys always want to play Dorian on m7 chords? What's wrong with Aeolian?

>>71536497
you could stretch baling wire across an old fish crate and that'd be an upgrade from a fucking Dean

>>71536889
I know, right now I'm looking at the Seagull S6.

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>>71536769

>posting cats in a doggo thread

hang yourself, my friend

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1o__uhDQfw

>>71536822
A lot prefer the sound, me included, it sounds fresher. A bit more subjective answer would be, that m7s are used a lot as a II in II V I, which if it's ionian, makes sense to use dorian on the two.

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>>71537215

that's hideous

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There is literally nothing wrong with Marshall.

Can you guys recommend some good delays, reverb and modulation plugins?
Guitar rig plugins sound like shit

>>71537500
But also nothing right.

Was practicing legato and now my fingertip feels bruised on the inside.

>>71537500
You pay a premium for the Marshall name, but the JVM is a fantastic amp, more people really need to give one of them a go they are serious pieces of kit.

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>>71537760
>feels bruised on the inside

I had a girl say that to me once

>>71536382
mediocre playing
shit looks

>>71537850
Your mom giving birth doesn't count

>>71537215
it looks mutated
like something out of stalker

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>>71537760
probably pinched a nerve
happens sometimes, should go away in like a day or two
They will die off/become desensitised in time

>>71537894
Thanks, m8. I always worry about how soon I can play again when something like this happens.

>>71534953
this is nice

What are some comfy Sunday guitar albums?

>>71538069
https://youtu.be/Lt05M_B-iFo

>>71538069
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgIJnKMJSNEwVP-2pFH29fRZXVHxysH9Q

>>71538108
when will vaiposting end

>>71538069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wJWl5XZowQ&list=PLA77214804A2A02D5

So what's the best way to learn the guitar neck note by note?

Do I start with some scales or do I just go string by string? Or what else?

>>71538317
I think an easy way to start is to just go string by string and learn what the names of the notes are on only the frets with inlays.

Then once you have that down, learn all the natural notes on each string. There'll be some overlap here with stuff you already learned from the first exercise.

>>71538352

I'll try that then

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Bogpill me on Eric Johnson. Did his marijuana addiction get the better of him? Or did he just fade to relative obscurity for no reason?

>>71538738
He crawled up his own asshole and enjoyed the view so much he stayed there

Are 8-string guitars a fad? Will they fall off in popularity like 7-strings did by the early 2000s?

Do you have preferences when it comes to guitar straps?

>>71539101

The wider the better.

>>71538963
yes, they'll fall off in popularity even more than 7-strings because the 8th string is pointless, 7-strings already are the ultimate extended range guitars.

>>71538738
He's still in a vegetative state after Joe Bonamassa drained him of his essence.

Rate my tone please
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0LVvePb9OzR

>>71538963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBRM3J00NjU

>>71539284
Sounds good. Maybe try a chorus pedal in the effects loop for a wide sound.

Hey. I haven't played guitar in 10 years and want to get back into it. My budget is about 800 canadian for both the amp and guitar. I was looking at the Epiphone SG G-400 Pro and an orange practice amp, coming to 760 total. I've always wanted a gibson SG but will never be able to afford one unless I starved myself for months.

Are epiphone trash, though? My only ever guitar was a squier bullet and it was terrible but it worked fine for the punk rock I was playing. Now my musical tastes are much more eclectic and I'd like to be able to play metal, rock, and post-punk, everything basically. My favorite band is Joy Division.

I almost bought a Kramer Pacer Classic but I'd probably get bored with having that hair metal sound all the time.

>>71539352
SG are nice, epiphone is fine but you'll have your memesters in this thread tell you they're only good for firewood or whatever. you just need a really wide and grippy strap because the bodies are lighter than the neck making the neck "dive" if you're not supporting it

vai>srv

>>71534013
If you mean For the Love of God than you're confusing Vai and Satch.

>>71539352

Epiphones are fine but you might be even better off with something with a trem bar. Stuff like Yamaha Pacifica, with a trem and a humbucker, will be quite good for versatility without breaking a bank.

>>71534752
>nothing interesting going on in that head.


As far as wankers go, Vai is by far the most interesting. He has some really interesting and strange songs. If anything he has a twisted imagination and the weirdness of Zappa rubbed off on him to a degree.

>>71533118

the meme that somehow Steve Vai sucks is borne of OP's own shortcomings and insecurities.

You may not like his like his music but to deny he is extremely talented musician with exceptional musical understanding is just pleb-tier trolling. Its like saying Paganini sucks cuz he plays too many notes.

>>71539436
My other plan was getting the kramer pacer classic and then later on replacing the floyd rose with an original and adding seymour duncan pickups (in 80s neon color bobbins). Would be a bad ass shredder guitar.

>>71535668
It depends on whether or not you're wanting a cool amp which also happens to be 100W in which case you should buy an attenuator but if you just want 100W because it's 100W it's not worth it unless you want super clean signal which is loud enought to keep up with a drummer.

>>71537511
Waves plugins are pretty good

>>71539517
No one here is saying that Vai is technically incompetent or unskilled. I just don't feel he can write songs.

>>71540071
Was here earlier ripping on Mayer.

Pretty sure he even called Clapton shit a few months ago too, either a weird troll or the biggest narcissist in the world.

>>71540071
>I just don't feel he can write songs.

What do you think is a good example of a good song written by a extremely good guitar player?

>>71540234
Sultans of Swing.

>>71540234
purple haze
layla
pinball wizard
while my guitar gently weeps

>>71540234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmo1VW_wA_o

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Help me /mu/

help me clean this poor guitar
I'm new to the instrument and i want to clean up the pickups or if that's not possible buy new ones

advice from an experienced guitarfag?

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>>71540485

>he doesn't know what a song is

>>71540571
Try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ImxfctL4M

>>71540511
Looks like they've been rusting for a while, get new ones or your toan will be muddy as fuck

>>71540234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNqdk2z-6Xo

>>71540257
>>71540425

yea- those are all super iconic great songs written by very good to good guitar players.

Vai hasnt written anything that iconic but he has written some great songs. Such a wide palette of soundscapes and imagination. He is a little too over the top for most people to handle.

>>71540825
Often, less is more. If your """song""" consists of 4 minutes of noodling over some obscure you-probably-never-heard-of-it-before mode, it's shit.

Is it wrong that would rather listen to Varg Vikernes play using a table as an amp than Steve Vai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADdTmxCvH4

>>71540917
Yes.

>>71540849

indeed. often...but not always. Moreover, out of 100s of songs Vai has written that characterization fits only a small percentage.

>>71540926
At least he knows how to make good riffs

>>71540234


I always thought this was a great song- Its rocks, its shreds, its funny, it tells a story- very little "noodling"....am I wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KVnAmhdpWM

>>71539352
difference between the g400 and the pro?

>>71540234

Vai wrote this song- its pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aslM8-7JaPA

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>>71540653

oh my, that is awful

I got about 2 minutes in before I has to turn that shit off

anyway, is the rest of that 14 minute teenage wankfest an instrumental ?

my point is that a song is the lyrical side of things.

Holy fuck, you've reminded me how much I hate dream theatre

I need to punch a child...

this a great song- so lyrical and beautiful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZQMuFQ7G0Q

I've heard nothing but bad things about rickenbacker bass's but what are the guitars like?

>>71541130
Jingle Jangle

>>71541130
The Beatles all used them for a brief time

>>71540993
Pros are modelled/shaped and set up to replicate the higher end model

>>71534353
fugg who is this qt?

>>71541291
there must be a reason they only used them for a brief time

>>71541130
top top tier models, always manufactured domestically, look sexy and are versatile. used in pop, punk, blues, jazz, folk. peter buck played one and showed how hard you can push them.

expensive though, can knock off a couple hundred off buying second hand, at least it won't be a scumbag conning you since they don't own that kinda gear in the first place.;

How long would it take to learn to do really fast metal guitar solos? That's my goal.

>>71541772
If you get really good at tapping and legato and sweeps, you can play some pretty fast stuff without having to get the pick hand speed thing down. It feels to me like picking speed and ability to cross strings quickly and accurately is something some people are endowed with. I've done practice regimens trying to hone my picking speed and it never seems to develop as fast as some other people get theirs down.

>>71541824
brian may does exactly the same thing so you're alright

Post guitars

>>71541490
Alex Jones' prostitute wife

>>71534820
this is my favorite part

" "it wasn't cool to know how to play guitar in the 90's,""

yeah no good guitar music or guitarists from them LMAO

>>71533146
okay now this will hurt

it's gonna hurt a lot

but they're both meme guitarists

>>71540934
Vai is really more of a "guitarists guitarist". The majority of people who get really into him appreciate the talent and understanding he has of the instrument in addition to the music itself. It's not always something that can be thrown on in the background, as there will likely be someone to go "WTF IS this!?" by the time Vai starts abusing the whammy bar and wah pedal.

That being said, I agree with you that Vai stands out from most other "shredder" guys and that he isn't a typical "wanking in different modes" for 5 minutes player.

But he still plays a type of music that doesn't have a broad appeal.

>>71541772
>>71541772
IT can take a while so be patient. Also, don't go into guitar trying to learn that shit right away or making it your top priority. I've seen a lot of beginner/intermediate players who were shit but could play some fast "shredder" type stuff (albeit horribly) yet they couldn't change between basic chord without struggling and pausing to make sure their fingers were places right. It's a bit embarrassing.

>>71542178
>Vai is really more of a "guitarists guitarist". The majority of people who get really into him appreciate the talent and understanding he has of the instrument

Wew lad, yeah you're so smart for being able to appreciate the musicianship of Vai. This is the kind of shit that exposes you as a 15 year old beginner guitarist.

One day you'll move on from instrumental Rock/Metal wankery to Fusion, then to Jazz and finally you'll either get some real taste and realize there's more to music than "skill" or you'll remain a virgin forever.

Who makes the best strings ?

>>71542532
D'addario

>>71540950
Yeah all Vai's riffs sound like he's going for that mind blowing Prince effect.But the ladies remain dry.He is a great player but no swag:(

>>71541130
Probably cuz those assholes didnt dare touch that double truss.

>>71542442
>you'll move on from instrumental Rock/Metal wankery

to 2 entirely instrumental genres?

what's the point in playing for anything but for fun now? every single person ITT has long or missed outgrown the peak practice years. none of us are ever going to be rock stars.

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>>71537500
Speaking of Marshall, which one is the Holy Grail of Marshall amps? The one that best defines the "Marshall" sound?

>>71542620
>taking shitposts seriously

>>71542708
i just wanted to wallow in pity that i'll never be good enough at the only thing I do 2bh

>>71542632
jcm2000 DSL

>>71541897
infowars alex jones? where can i find more?

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>>71537500
The C5 was the GOAT bedroom/neighbour/small gig amp. Marshall fucked up discontinuing it.

Trying to pick up a gretsch streamliner, Anyone own one? I play them all the time, and really love the way they feel to play and tone, but I have no idea if there any long term quality concerns since the cheaper ones are not made in the US. It'll be my first electric guitar, as I've only owned acoustic, and I know fuckall about brands, and I'm not looking to blow the bank quite yet on something

>>71542553
Just try keeping your vagina dry while you watch this man tenderly fuck his instrument:

https://youtu.be/Yw74sDWPH7U

>>71543104
Tender Surrender is a shit version of Villonova Junction by Hendrix

>>71543104
Even I'll admit that was pretty nice..... until about the 3 minute mark where he went full wank while simultaneously fixing his fucking hair. What a diva.

>>71535948
>>71536539

Jokes on you I play classical pieces on guitar by ear, faggots

I get a little pissed off when I see Eric Johnson lumped into the same conversation as Vai and Satriani. He's head and shoulders above those 2 Imo. He's also much more influential too.

His 2nd appearance on Austin city limits is one of the best guitar exhibitions of all time imo

>>71543172
The hair fixing is kinda lame, but it clearly doesn't affect his playing. Also how is it wanking? Everything he plays is melodic and it's obvious this is all something he's composed. Wanking it just random improvised noodling. Vai is a composer.

>>71542532
Elixir [spoiler]for bass, no idea about guitar strings[/spoiler]

>>71543165
>Villonova Junction by Hendrix

Oh you mean that sloppy live improv from Woodstock? There's a slightly similar riff using octave chords, big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQwwxiBjLzI

I love Hendrix but this is literally what "wanking/noodling" is.

>>71543247
Lol that sounds like ass. Steve Vai is still shit though.

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Can you recommend me some good el guitars in the 300-500usd price range?
was thinking about getting pic related

>>71543247
Literally better than anything Vais ever done.
>sloppy
>wanking
The songs none of those things

>>71543165
I think Steve Vai's best material is cryptomnesia'd from elsewhere. Ever notice that "For the Love of God" sounds eerily similar to the theme song from "Kung Fu?"

https://youtu.be/okLDkcexiVg

https://youtu.be/T2t-1CPJXYo

>>71543341
He hits like 5 bum notes in the first minute alone and it goes nowhere. There's a hint of an interesting melodic idea in there but overall it sounds like something you come up with while warming up during practice. People only care about it because it's Hendrix at Woodstock.

>>71543099
Gretsch is great, yes it's their budget line but if you really like it, and you said you do, then eventually you can upgrade to a higher quality/more expensive one if you want. I can't imagine you'll run into much trouble
>>71543325
Pretty damn good option there tbqhwyfam.

>>71543247
either way hendrix is excused from anything

but I've never thought him a wanky player. strummed, sung and licked at the same time and an occasional solo. times he spent walking around picking softly was because he was high as fuck 24/7. always played with purpose

>>71543172
>what is showmanship

Anyone order from Sweetwater? Their 55 point evaluation sounds cool. But it would be 30 dollars more expensive for me to ship it to Canada than to buy one in a store here... But then what if the guitar isn't setup properly?

>>71543407
This. Hendrix was more of a songwriter even though he was best known for his guitar playing. Sure he would do some long solos live here and there, but I don't think that was ever really his thing.

>>71543391
>goes nowhere
wrong
> it sounds like something you come up with while warming up during practice
Completely wrong

>>71543466
Ordering guitars online alway worries me a bit. Sweetwater seem pretty trustworthy though. I can't imagine them ripping you off or anything.

I would suggest checking Reverb.com. They have a lot of used stuff but the best deals are usually finding something that's in "mint" condition. It's essentially new but the price will be knocked down a bit. I saved $100 that way and when I got the guitar it was still in the original packaging.

>>71543518
>it sounds like something you come up with while warming up during practice
>Completely wrong

Lol you must play with some shit musicians m8.

>>71543518
>Completely wrong
He's noodling on a 12 bar blues. The only thing tying it together and making it something more special than a noodle is the repeating melodic motif played with octave dyads. Also Hendrix's noodles usually sound better than most others' noodles.

>>71543518
To be fair I (or my bandmates) have come up with some great ideas just jamming around during practice. A lot of times it's a mess but sometimes you just get lucky and everyone meshes perfectly and you play something amazing.

That being said I would never claim to hit Hendrix levels just fucking around before practice.

>>71543495
I remember reading he grew to despise jams and didn't even really like other musicians. Of course he'd take tearing shit up centre stage all night over one of those horrible seated slow improv deals with multiple 90 year old blues legends

>>71543581
Your opinion of a good musician is Steve Vai. That's all I need to know

I haven't bought a guitar since I was a kid.

When you go to a guitar store, do you buy off the rack? Or do they have factory sealed versions in the back? I really don't want to buy a "brand new" guitar that has been played by hundreds of people before me.

>>71543687
Great argument m8. When did I say I liked Steve Vai again?

>>71543714
You've been defending him this hole time

>>71543694
from my experience they will always try to sell you the rack or open box one first. if you specifically ask for a brand new sealed one they can't refuse

>>71543694
>I really don't want to buy a "brand new" guitar that has been played by hundreds of people before me.

Yeah, demand an unopened one from the back or tell them to order one in to the store and come back to get it the next week. It's worth the wait. You could also ask for a discount for the one on the rack but they probably won't go for that even though that should be something they automatically do. I mean, it is a fucking USED guitar.

Any time I've bought from GC they ALWAYS say "Oh this is the last one we have!" and try to push the display guitar on me. Every fucking time, they're so full of shit.

>>71543694
nah you want to actively look for signs of damage so they'll discount

chip damage is inevitable with any guitar and it's harmless 99% of the time. so don't care about a "pre-played" could;d get a nice deal

>>71543844
>I mean, it is a fucking USED guitar.

Right. I've seen guitars in the used section that are in better shape than the guitars Guitar Center keep out on their racks. At least the used guitar had the possibility of being owned by a responsible adult who took care of his shit. The guitar center guitars were probably played by 14 year old autistic kids with ketchup on their fingers.

>>71543637
Noodiling his playing random stuff without direction, I don't hear that

>>71543844
True, it's fucking annoying, they did this to me last week and I just ordered one. if it's really the last one I don't give a shit, I'll just order another one. I'm not gonna throw my hard earned cash at some slut guitar used by the whole town

>>71541130
Rickenbacker basses are actually quite popular.

>>71543961
It will play, sound, and last as long either way but whatever, your money.

>>71541130
The 4003 is a huge step up from the older 4001 models, which is probably the ones you're hearing bad thinigs about

What's the point of going to the store if you're just gonna order the guitar and wait for it?

>>71544091
So you can actually play it first?

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>>71543844
>demand an unopened one
>demand

lol so you're one of those fuckers

I worked at guitar center for 2 years
I couldn't stand your type
So many times I wanted to just say go fuck yourself you're shit at guitar anyway what does it matter

How good do you think most pop-punk musicians are at playing guitar? Obviously, you don't need any skill to play any Blink 182, Sum 41, etc song, but they're still professional musicians. Is it even possible to play for twenty years without progressing?

>>71544091
i guess you've never bought something other than a tele, strat or lp? guitar stores barely or don't even bother at all to stock unique models

>>71543939
Hendrix and other good noodlers always follow the chords.

>>71543961
Smart move. I was playing a guitar one night and after trying a few others almost went to buy it. Another snagged it up right after I had set it down though and he purchased it.

When I came back the following week to pick it up I couldn't have been happier considering there were no dents, smudges or other issues that the one I had played in store had.

>>71544129
>I couldn't stand your type

Yeah, how dare customers want a good quality product. Go fuck yourself if you think we should take home shit stained gear to make your day slightly easier you special snowflake cunt. Also shame on you for not demanding the best either.

BTW, how is saying "Do you have one from the back? No? Ok I'll just order one online then" An inconvenience to you?

>>71544139
I used to think like this but I've noticed over time that a lot of these guys know more than they let on. Not all of them, mind.

>>71544129
>guitar center employee

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>71544139
Most probably aren't that great. I remember when Fall Out Boy covered Beat it, they had John Mayer do the guitar solo, when they have two guys who play guitar in that band, which is just bizarre. However I'm sure there are plenty out there capable of being good at guitar, just depends what you wanna write I guess

>>71544186
Still wasn't noodling. He's recorded and played the song many times so its not all improv

>>71544139
>>71544278
Absolutely they've put in the 10k hours practice or whatever the rule is. Plus you'd need balls of steel to play a goddamn arena.

>>71544319

still could plausibly be a guest slot

clapton played the solo on weeps despite harrison and mccartney being more than capable

>>71544319
Patrick isn't that good and he even admits it, he plays a lot of other instruments, joe is alright though.

Satriani is a better songwriter IMO. But I like Vai very much.

>>71544586
This, Vai is great

steve vai sucks and only retarded music theoryshitters and guitar player wannabes even know who he is

>>71544661
Stop being a faggot already

>>71544139
I'm a pop-punk guy myself (bass and vocals). Our guitarist/vocalist can play Iron Maiden solos like it was nothing, and our drummer can play anything from steely dan to annihilator. With some bands the skill is definitely there, we just have an appreciation for simpler relatable music.

>>71544319
Reminds me of Korn's cover of Metallica's One. When they get to the second solo, the song just ends. It's hilariously tragic.

>>71544841
I think that's just them saying "fuck you" to Kirk Hammett.

>>71544693
hes not wrong
can anyone name one steve vai song?
nope

>>71544883
Muh Tender Surrender

https://youtu.be/6CfEaSmdtGU?t=175

steve vai is a joke this sounds like one of those shreds parody videos
pathetic

What do you guys do when you get stuck on something that you're working on and feel like smashing your guitar against your head

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He is an acquired taste for sure- the dude is wacky but the meme that he is just a wanker with no feels or subtly is simply not born out by his body of work. There is a lot of wankery to be sure....campy, hedonistic, tongue in cheek wankery...but there is also a lot more going on, a lot of big picture stuff that is just a little odd cuz he is a little odd but most virtuosos are a little odd. Passion and Warfare was an interesting concept album with a flow to the entire album...it was a brilliant album.

I cant understand how someone can listen to this and at least respect the imagination as much as the skills. There isnt even any guitar for even the first 3 minutes yet its still interesting song writing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OaLbZh_vl4

>>71545086
rip on steve vai

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If Steve Vai and shred as a whole are such acquired tastes, why do their fans get so bitchy and defensive when people rip on them? I love punk, but I'm not gonna fault anyone who thinks it's too simplistic nor start posting videos and going all "NUH UH"

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>>71545116
I just realized you aren't be sarcastic. You actually admire steve vai. how awful.

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>https://clyp.it/xrclgshy

day 5 of my math abomination. you guys have been very helpful with shitting on my progress these past few days :^)

>>71545116
No pls just ignore him and he'll finally get bored.

Someone who 5 minutes ago unironically said "theoryshitters" isn't worth the energy. He thinks he's being hilarious.

>>71545116

It's fucking terrible, m8.

>>71545116

That was fascinating- freaky.

>>71545181
From where did you draw your inspirachon?

>>71545181
really good desu.

>>71545116

I love Flex-able- dude was 19 with 4track in his bedroom. The Attitude Song! Amazing!

vai is just an 80s goofball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZZyHUcpJ8Y

Do you agree ?

>>71545514
>lommy
literally who

>>71545401
i basically started this after listening to uchu conbini. otherwise idk, just jamming in dadgad

>>71545514
>they don't play how i like so they're not good
what a senile old faggot lmao

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Did any band actually do the wall of Marshalls meme? Seems like it would just be a logistical nightmare

>>71545514
who is this old man

>>71545545
That's not what he said tho

>>71545434

hadnt heard that in forever...thanks for the trip down memory lane. This seemed so bad ass when I first heard it- seems a little dated now but still is fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcFbpLyt_M

>>71545514
He didn't even mention Ukrainian Dorian scale. What a fucking pleb.

>>71545514

Who cares what this old fart thinks?
>muh blues
>muh feeling

name a worse guitar genre than blues
protip you cannot

>>71545528
>>71545566
underage b&

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>>71545558

dont know if they were marshals and most were prolly fake but VH def had a wall.

>>71545167
Nobody is getting bitchy about people not liking Steve Vai. It's just annoying that the only reason people give for him being shit is that he's a wanky noodler who can't write a good song.

It's like people think he just plays really fast for 5 minutes with no thought.

>>71545656
Death/black metal
>Hurr durr look at me I can tremolo pick while playing through a broken cabinet

>>71545656
shoegaze
djent

what do I win

>>71545670

He has NEVER written a good song and I've heard all his material.

>>71544596
And Satch taught Vai. So there's that too.

>>71545688
Never change /gg/

steve vai is a wanky noodler who can't write a good song

prove me wrong you cant

The biggest accomplishment of Steve Vais career was introducing Devin Townsend to the world

>>71543466
I do, it's great. I go to guitar center and play the few I'm considering,and then order through sweetwater. They also have a policy where you can return your guitar if you're not satisified within 30 days, and you get full value minus the cost to ship it. Great customer service. I've only made 2 purchases, but my friend has over 10+ guitars and he swears by them. Reverb is a little shaky, some shops don't list out the specifics of what they're selling so definitely call in advanced and make sure that what you are ordering is what you want.

vai>srv
fact

>>71545514
>play from your soul
>don't worry about being perfect
>don't learn theory and be knowledgeable about music

Why not just do all of those things?

>>71543466
Why can't you set it up yourself?

>>71545714

Satch is also an embarrasing figure that writes even worse music than Vai.

>>71545656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv0xhPpzP4

What's wrong with Blues ?

>>71545799
jeez that was awful

>>71545811
gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ynEpNTcVQ

Who could defend such autism?

>>71545799

Nothing when it's actually blues and not some wanky dad playing shitty licks on his shiny guitar.

>>71545763
1. No one ever made that comparison
2. But you, you said it already
3. I think even SRV is better than Vai
4. You're a faggot

>>71545856
>when it's actually blues
cuck

stop taking music advice from your wife's son

>>71545855
Is he using hair extensions?

>>71545181
Very nice
You should put a wanky tapped lead on the second half of the last bit

>>71545952
>>71545952
>>71545952

>>71545916

Nothing I hate more than cucks like you who supposedly love blues but only listen to the castrated pop guitar center version of it. Stay pleb.

I like some of Vai's symphonic work- and it was interesting when he had that violinist in his band.

>>71545957
No go away

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>>71545514
>music has to come from inside
he's right you know, you can take him otu of context and pretend he said "dont learn theory" but what he's getting at is exactly right.
personally I don't think its half as impressive when someone says "oh listen to this other persons music i can play" any dumb fuck can read tab and practice. Finding the right note for thte right moment is what seperates a shit guitarist from a bad one.
>learn theory
>dont worry about playing perfectly, you're not a robot
>dont copy and paste

>>71536571
Isnt that Joe Mustache?

>>71545750

I could never get into that album. Vai is weird enough but throw in another even freakier dude into it and my plebeian heart cant handle it. I did try tho...

>>71545960
how is it possible to be wo wrong about something?

>>71546044

Townsend, along with Vai is a terrible musician who writes terrible music.

>>71546047

Dunno, ask yourself.

>>71545656
>shoegaze
not my cup of tea its just effects layered upon effects with no real sense of playing
>djent
look at how low I can chug, some players of this genre can't play anything that isnt primarily open string
> pop
same four chords over and over

cmon now b8-sama, step it up.

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>>71546062
I'll slap you right in the nuts real hard
Don't think I won't

>>71545799

I like white boy blues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_UaQx5eZQ

>>71545575

that was pretty fun.

>>71545799
>>71546113
I love Steve Marriot's blues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMCgqjYA424

>>71545937
That's the plan. Only thing is I succ with anything that requires technical skill lol

>>71546089
stay mad white people do everything better, including play the blues, how would you even know what I listen to when I didn't tell you?

>le I have no argument so I will flip it back on you tactic
you're adorable

>>71546145

Live at Fillmore (west?) was a great album.

>>71546138

with full orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GakOgDSvcfo

>>71546185

>stay mad white people do everything better, including play the blues

It's pretty much the only thing they do worse.

>>71544129
I'm the original guy he was replying to.

I hope not all employees are like this. I'm a germaphobe and I'd just walk out and order online instead. Losing you a customer.