/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

>>71386683
That's pretty.

>>71386706
pretty ugly

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>>71386683
>PRS did nothing wrong

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>tfw PRS

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Should I trade my Epiphone Flying V 58' 2004 for a Mid-2000s Gibson SG special in faded cherry? I was gunna replace the pickups on the V but I'd use that cash to swap the pups on the SG for a dual P90 like the one Santana played at Woodstock or the one John Dwyer uses

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greetings

Pretty guitars belong in the bin

Gotoh Wilkinson or Fender Standard?

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so everyone here hates PRS

I have a 96 CU 22 10 top. Should I just sell it?

>>71386820
It looks like a lobster claw

>>71386820
No.

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>>71386820
yes, and buy a bc rich ironbird instead

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>>71386783
I can only really play guitars with shitty or worn finishes

>>71386820
I think it's nice. Does it play well? Just have the guitar you like, not the guitar others like. I'm playing a Tele, too.

>>71386820
Nah, that's a good guitar, mate

>>71386857
I'd be afraid of puncturing my scrotum with that

>>71386805
>Fender Modern

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is it worth getting an attenuator for a 15 watt amp? I have an Orange Tiny Terror and I'm in college so naturally i'm unable to crank it

>>71386948
Yes, just make sure you get the right one.

>>71386986
what do you mean? like in terms of the impedance?

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>>71386820
Why would you get rid of it because other people don't like it?

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Grandpa guitars anyone? I have a Gibson J-45 and a Martin D-16. I keep the Gibson in Standard while the Martin is kept in some alternate tuning.

>tfw I sold almost all my electric guitars

Feels pretty good man.

>>71386891
>Fender Modern
I don't have a telecaster

>>71387128
I love that blue

>>71386782
do you have a template?

>>71387128
>tfw no Vader's Ballsack guitar

>>71387012
Yeah

>>71387210
I didn't save it I'm sorry

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Everyone needs to own one of these duo sonics
They are so light weight and easy to play
You can't help but love them

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>>71387167

>>71387210
Just erase whatever's in the boxes with a white square. Or just paste your stuff over it

>>71387316
Shill

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>>71387210

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>>71387451
Can't even offer an opinion without being labeled a shill.

>>71387572
You could at the very least offer an example of why we should spend our money on something.
Your anonymous words on the internet mean nothing to me without context.

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I usually play using my fingers, but i played a bit using a pick today to see how different it is.

It actually makes my guitar sound significantly different. also, different picks had different sounds, some of them had a sharper attack compared to others.

I felt like i could get more clarity in the sound with one of the picks in particular, which is a Catalinbread pick that comes with catalinbread pedals.

However it still feels more natural to me to play using my fingers. i wouldn't say a pick sounds better than my fingers, it's just a different sound.

>>71387623
>They are so light weight and easy to play

>>71387623
They weren't my words. I just doubt shills would waste their time in these shitty threads filled with people that have no money

>>71386764
yes

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>>71387316

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>>71387738
10/10

>>71387738
>>71387757
t. samefag

>>71387316
>They are so light weight

t.twink

>>71387738

wouldnt the big metal parts like the truss rod and brige jam the woodchipper

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>>71386820

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Thoughts on p90 guitars?

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>>71387128
this is just gonna run and run, this is a thing now

Well I just learned the minor pentatonic scale so I'm basically an expert guitarist already

>>71387738
>>71387846
>>71387916
you cheeky cunts

>>71387952
I can tap so I like to pretend I'm an elite shredder.

>>71387838
Twigs jam a DR. Those are the worst.

>>71387952
>I'm basically an expert guitarist already
only if you can play harmonic minor scales at 200 bpm

>>71387907
saving up for a reverend w/ p90s myself. i just want to have one guitar for everything so it's logical pickup choice.

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>>71387916
get rekt m8

>>71387158
i'm jealous
tfw probably won't own a martin until my 40s

>>71387907
If you bought that Monty off Reverb you're a morherfucker, I finally had enough for it and the listing said it was sold

>>71388025
>harmonic minor
You mean Phrygian dominant mode, you fucking theoryshitter

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>>71387316
I wanna mod the fuck out of a Daphne Blue one

>>71388476
What if he actually meant harmonic minor tho

>>71388498
Harmonic Minor and phrygian dominant are the same scale dumbass. Just the roots change.
A harmonic minor is the same thing as E phrygian dominant for example.

>>71388536
yeah, c major and a minor are also the same scale, genius

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>>71387158
Right here, I have a Lucero LCT 250 CE and a Stagg western but I don't play on that shitty junk anymore. I play in standard and sometimes tune the E down to D (drop D?) Still have my Epiphone but don't really play it because reasons.

>>71388584
Congratulations, you now understand basic music theory. Wasn't hard right.

>>71388536
Yeah, I know. You came out of nowhere just to show off your basic knowledge that Phrygian Dominant is a mode of Harmonic Minor. It's as stupid as someone saying "check out this Major scale sequence" and coming back with "NO THAT'S LYDIAN YOU IDIOT!!"

Fuck outta here scrub

>>71388617
98% of people here don't even know what a scale is, so this is really advanced stuff honestly.

>>71388616
Sounds pretty advanced for these threads

how is the crate palomino 32? i saw a video of king buzzo playing through one and it sounded excellent.

>>71388616
take a break from shitposting on 4chan and read this, dumbass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)

>>71388648
scale =/= scale's mode
now get out

>>71388709
>linking Wikipedia to prove your point

Can't get any worse.

wew lad

got a few hundred bucks to kick around and thinking of picking up this beauty

https://reverb.com/item/3578531-vintage-60s-norma-eg-403-2-pointy-cutaway-electric-guitar-w-ohsc-japan-38144

>>71388735
https://eatshitanddie.com
this will prove my point excellently.

>>71388753
that style of japanese guitars usualy plays like ass dude ,they're only cool if you pay like $20 for it

Don't fall for the Mac DeMarco memes.

>>71388693
They're like shitty Hot Rod Deluxes. Actually durable but needs a lot of EQ to sound nice

>>71388753
>$600 for that

you're going to regret it

>>71388753
Jesus not for $600, get a Jazzmaster if you wanna be a meme machine. Do not buy any of those vintage Jap guitars at a maximum of $200. My grandpa found one in the dumpster and gave it to me and it does sound amazing but everything else is shitty

>>71388419
I got the Martin for $700.

If you're not aiming for the standard series Martins (18 series or above - i.e D-18), you can have an American-made Martin made out of solid woods for a real good price. The 15/16 series Martins are sorely underrated.

>>71388753
old jap guitars like this really are pieces of shit. unless you strongly value being eclectic over having a good instrument like mac demarco stay away. i bought something like this on cl for $60 and even regret that purchase.

they're only worth getting for next to nothing and using on recording projects for funky toanz.

>>71386683
As much hate as PRS gets on here my PRS SE was pretty good for the money. It sounds good, is well built, and looks good. What else is there to ask for in a guitar?

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Will pick related get me this sound?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IA1Qucq20Y
What else do I need besides the basics

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>>71389044
pic related. the pickups were dead and now, too, is my interest in quirky jappos.

>>71388648
It's 'really advanced' in the sense that most people don't know it. But it's quite simple.
When people talk about 'advanced' stuff, they usually mean something that's deep. Something you could spend a lot of time studying, and which has considerable prerequisite knowledge.
But learning the names of modes of scales, or equivalencies between different scales/scale modes, is a very shallow kind of knowledge. You could teach it to a 12 year old without much difficulty.

>>71389080
a reverb pedal and the right amp can get you a similar sound.

but you should get the Cathedral reverb anyway because it's hands down one of the best reverb effects you can buy that isn't rack mounted.

how the fuck do i relax my picking hand while doing sweeps. it always goes stiff and it ends up being no better than alternate picking

>>71389137
You dont even need to know the names of scales or modes or even the notes really. You just need to memorize the shapes they make and be able to shift them up and down the neck into the right key.

Thats why guitar is so easy to learn once you discover the tricks.

tfw you will never be as cool as Hendrix

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My newest Strat. 2014 FSR American Standard.

Figured I better get it since Fender cucked out and ended the standards.

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>tfw a Chinese luthier makes better les pauls than the real thing

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>>71389617
tfw when Paul Stanley designs a better constructed, cheaper Les Paul then Gibson

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>>71389617

>>71389617
That's not made by a chinese luthier. The new Eastmans kind of look like that though.

>>71389657
>tfw it looks like total ass

>>71389617
>>71389710
Its actually a scala les paul copy
richard fortus from gnr uses them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXuDS5t935g

>>71389657
>then Gibson

when Gibson?

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>>71389617
>>71389657
>tfw Heritage Guitars still makes Les Pauls better than anyone given the fact that they are the original employees in the original factory using the original tools before Gibson pulled out and left.

>>71389797
too bad the gaylord headstock ruins any chance of anyone ever wanting to play it

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List of things to consider that can really change your sound:

- Your guitar
- Your Amp
- Your Pickups
- Your Strings
- Your Pick/fingers
- Your pedals
- Your mic technique

That's alot of things to consider... none of them is neutral, all of them color the way you sound.

Also the cable also slightly influences the sound, really long cables can make you lose some top-end

>>71389874
none of those things change your sound

"your sound" comes before all that stuff, its an intrinsic quality to you. "your sound" will always come out of any gear if you have the ability.

>>71389864
It's not the best, but it could be SO much worse.

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>>71386683
Rate my guitar;
Schecter Damien Elite 6 Floyd rose

>>71389864
Even the Epiphone headstock looks better

>>71389904
ITZ ALL IN DAH FINGATAPS

ITT: fags

>>71389922
Too bad Epiphone is a meme brand.

>>71389904
Literally any of this things effect your sound.

Your sound is not just dependent on you, it's also dependent on your gear. that's just a fact anon

>>71389952
Most Chinese junk is

>>71390013
You are so out of your depth here its funny.
The fact you think effects color your sound precludes you from the possibility of being an intelligent person. So i should have known better.
Tone is purely psychological.

>>71390076
If you play a piano it's not going to sound like playing a guitar

If you play an acoustic guitar it doesn't sound like electric guitar

If you play a les paul it's not going to sound like a strat

Les Paul on a Jc120 is not going to sound like Les Paul on a VoxAC30

The gear you choose matters and not only that it effects your sound, it DRAMATICALLY effects your sound.

That's why they did not use a cheap low-end guitar on a cheap amp to record Dark Side Of The Moon, you know.

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>>71389864
It's the OG Gibson headstock.

>>71390076
He's not talking about playing style. He's talking about the literal sound that comes out of your amp.

My echo pedal came. Love it.

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>>71390259
Which Echo pedal is it?

I have the standard Belle Epoch. i say "standard" because catalinbread is about to release Belle Epoch Deluxe soon

>>71390238
thats legit rondo or jay turser shit right there
absolutely disgusting

>>71390252
>the literal sound that comes out of your amp

It's hard to explain, but that sound is you, your ability, your skill. It's like when you hear great players playing on a shitty amp, you are hearing their playing, not that awful line6 thing etc

>>71390284
it's a Danelectro D-4.

>>71390238
Heritage is more straight and lame, original Gibson looks better

>>71390284
take a page from osama's book and go into hiding again you fucking queer

>>71390358
You're a fucking moron with shit reading comprehension.

who else / B R O K E N I G N O G S /
getting a recording king rdh-05 or someshit for 125 bucks senpai, feels good.

>tfw already see myself singing cash songs in my backyard late at night

>>71389864
yea but unlike gibson the headstock will actually stay attached once you tune the guitar

>buy new guitar from cuck center today
>bridge pickup doesn't work
Thats what I get I guess

>>71390700
you didnt notice this when you tried it out in the store?

>>71390738
I was a retard and assumed the one they pulled from the back would be okay , the one I got wasn't on the floor

>>71390778
>>71390738
And now I'm nervous they are going to tell me I can't trade it for a new one because I didn't get their retarded warranty thing

>>71390553
Pointless and rude

>>71390824
haha, gutted 4u m8

>>71390824
guitar center will take it back

i bought a taylor acoustic there for $700 got home and realized i cant blow $700 on another guitar and i got a full refund a few days later

>>71390635
feels bad t b h f a m

>>71390553
hehe

>>71390932
ya but it wasn't broken, will they check all the pickups? I shouldn't mention it. I just want it replaced with one that works.

>>71386726
>this """"guitar"""" costs as much as a house
Literally why?

Any cheap recommendations for a u-bass?
Mostly cheap because I'm not sure how much I'll be committed, nor do I have any plans for serious music-making.
I'm sorry if this question offends anyone :^(

Can anyone recommend me a good site that lists all of the different scales and modes and their intervals? musictheory.net/lessons only has major and minor.

>>71390700
I hope you're not referring to Guitar Center when you say "Cuck Center", because I have had nothing but pleasant experiences buying from them. They did a set up for free for me, they threw in a hardcase for free last time I bought a guitar from there, and they gave me over 70% off their warranty for no reason other than because they're awesome.

Meanwhile, I got to my local music store, and the guy there literally told me he was busy and wouldn't help me out, and then got made when he had to do literally anything.

I'll keep going to GC for as long as I play guitar, they've never let me down.

>>71391158
As much as people like to complain about big chains killing small stores I've had more small stores try and pull shady bullshit with me than big chains.

Maybe those small stores should try have some actually good customer service.

>>71391132
Just google image search that shit. You'll get loads of tables with them all listed and shown

>>71391184
I'm not looking for the with fretboard diagrams though I'm looking for the intervals like.

W-W-H-W-W-W-H

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Hiland

This page is quite funny, he clearly edited himself or got his secretary to

>>71391183
Once, before I knew how to do setups myself I went to my local store to get my guitar set up. He worked in the set up and repair section, it's literally his job to do set ups, it's how to pays his bills.
This asshole acted like it was some huge inconvenience for him to do what he's payed to do, and gave me attitude and was just rude as hell.

Guitar center did it for me for free once. I asked him how much it was and he's just like "nah, don't worry about it, enjoy your guitar."

>>71391158
fuck off, guitar center marketing
theres no way they gave you a hard case for free

i had to practically beg them to give me a free pack of strings when i bought my ltd there

>>71391246
I've had roughly the same experiences. Sick to death of the small business meme.

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>>71391329
Nope, not shilling or lying.
They literally told me to pick out a Gator hardcase when I bought my Ibanez.
In my mind I was like "holy shit, is he serious?" and he was.

>>71391362
I feel bad for small guitar shops but they are utterly redundant. They don't even stock good guitars so they don't even have that going for them

>>71386864
Does anyone have more pics of old guitars

>>71391403
Oh my god. This!
Every local shop near me has absolute shit selection. Most are brands that you've literally never heard of, almost all are Squier-tier entry level guitars, and almost all are sub $300.
And the "nice" ones were always Deans or some meme trash no one actually plays.

I honestly don't know how they stay in business.

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>>71391405

>>71391439
Tell me about it, I'm a bassist. I got to play a Rickenbacker once but that's about it

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>>71391405
feast your eyes on the hippest of hipster guitars

>>71391439
This is my local store good or bad
https://www.guitarsuperstore.co.uk

>>71391405
Funny enough that strat is a road worn strat and not old at all
they are made to look old, they call it "relic"

>>71391814
Is there anything more pathetic than an intentionally-aged guitar?

>>71391814
Why would I want to pay a new price for a beat up guitar?

>>71391839
It's actually bad ass imo
The feel of a worn guitar is incredible.
and modern guitars have different finishes than they used to use in the old days and will probably never naturally age like that.

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>>71391865
>It's actually bad ass

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>>71391889
actually totally bad ass

>>71391865
>will probably never naturally age like that.

friction, grime and our nearest star will all always fuck shit up

now get out of here roman

>>71391964
lacquer and poly dont wear the same
think before you post next time

>tfw want to play sludge and doom metal
>don't want to play gibson guitars

shame really, i need those fat toans. this tele i have isn't doing shit for me

>>71391865
Nitrocellulose paint they used I think

>>71391938
>Let's take this guitar and make it look like someone shat on the finish
But why

>>71387158
I'vew got a Recording King RPH-05 and an offbrand dreadnought acoustic I got when I was 5 or 6 and fixed up later. It actually plays really well and stays in tune suprisingly well considering I had to replaced the tuners and bridge.

>>71392014

and let me guess you don't like how they wear now cause it's not muh vintage?

Purposely relicing your guitar looks tacky, we can all see through it

Feedback on these please? Which mix sounds better

https://clyp.it/xpspeseq
https://clyp.it/y2d53lpn

Tried to clean it on the 2nd attempt but still sounds dense and saturated what do you guys think

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kind of want

>>71392420
Why

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Is my little jingle any good?

https://youtu.be/omvLUWp9CEE

>>71392475
No
Stop forcing your vids here

>>71392649
Explain

>>71389554

>Not being a poorfag
>Not scrimping and saving for a cheap body not made of basswood and praying the alnico pros you're looking at go on sale
>Not fighting back bitter tears of humiliation while sucking dick for a cab

>>71392649
It's a fucking guitar thread what do you expect? At least he isn't afraid to show his playing instead of crying about what gear is best and how gay metal is etc...

>>71392649
>gets mad at guitar post in guitar thread

4chan

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>>71392763
What you say sonny

>>71392475
Sounds like Christmas music

>>71392052
It's a finish not paint
>>71392174
It's his guitar
>>71392817
It's kinda true, these threads are just a shit war of kids telling each other they are the best. It's actually quite nice to see somebody actually post something other than gear

>>71392839
I thought it sounded a bit like a fugue

>>71392420
>memeberg shekelstein

just buy a fucking ibanez you hipster

>>71392890
You're only saying that because his other video is Bach toccata and fugue

>>71392763
Hi i'm not afraid of showing my playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_5uBgMUSQ

>>71392991
Lofuckingl

>>71392859
Kek this shit is so fucking bad this little boy needs to cut his hair and go to school
https://youtu.be/HfQd0yTv1HQ

>>71393094
Why are you posting my shit then?

>>71392475
i like it

>>71387572
Why do people post this picture?

what electric guitars are good for girl hands? the few i've tried out are so difficult to grip for me

>>71392174
Who are you? Guitar cop?

>>71393598
dicks

>>71393598
Don't be a pussy, any guitar a guy can play so can you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJYqqA1U0mc

>>71393598
My hands are small but I play a regular guitar. https://youtu.be/HfQd0yTv1HQ

Little girls play crazy shit with their tiny hands don't be the "but my hands" guy

>mfw poor drunk high and totally not underage but still better than all of gg combined
plebs

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0oALUSXtbMk

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>>71393598
Fender DuoSonic

>>71393814
>men are equal to women
nigga wtf

>>71393814
>men and women being equal
And you got here how?

Stuck with shitty bc rich because el poor

>>71394264
A BC Rich can turn our real nice as long as you do a few expensive modifications here and there

>>71392475
Pretty good, but get a classical lad
It doesn't sound right on an electric

>>71394043
Sounds like I've been playing for three years and finally learned how to pointlessly shred.

>the best stuff comes from drunk and high people buddy

>get electric guitar
>fingers suddenly don't know what the fuck is going on
>arm feels all awkward
How long does this feeling last. I feel like I can't strum or pluck for shit

>>71394364
>implying you could play anything close to that
stick to qotsa and chords m8

>>71394396
Until you get gud

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>>71394043
I challenges you to a duel of arpeggios

https://clyp.it/fiezqacy

>>71388922
thanks, im planning to go do the factory tour in nazareth during spring break

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>tfw short fingers

IT'S NOT FAIRRRRR

>>71394050
If you're on the shortscale hunt, mustang and jaguar also fit the description. I have boy hands and felt like telecasters were too long for me so I mostly played my ex's epiphone les paul junior until I got a jaguar. though I do play a duo-sonic now because I really liked the feel of the maple neck (and I'm not too fond of humbuckers).

you can also just try playing with a capo

>>71394492
fuck me thats clean. if thats not edited in the studio (think it is) thats really impressive. i admit im not the best at tapping, trying to keep up....
http://vocaroo.com/i/s11IQd05WEfV
lets sweep nigga

>>71394608
stang and jag are nice too
but the new offset duo sonic is noticeably lighter than both

it weighs practically nothing

>>71394521
Get a guitar with slimmer neck then faggot.

>>71394521
literally all the god-tier guitarists are small-fingered manlets

>>71395016
What the fuck, that's complete and utter bullshit, you fucking faggot.

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>>71390252
No. Here is what he means. We could all play the same song using the exact same equipment and none of ours with come out the same. The sound he is referring to is party your playing style and partly something you will ave very little to no control over. Thats what makes it special. Everyone can do it. But no matter what no one will make it sound like you do.

>>71395016
>jimmy page, huge hands
>jimmi hendrix, even bigger hands

>>71392056
So you can look like you've been playing for 40 years with out having to wait 40 years. It is the equivalent of pre-worn holes in your jeans of the guitar world.

>>71395132
t. lanklet who sucks at guitar
small fingers dont prohibit you whatsoever, unless you're really into shred where you stretch your hand 12 frets. even then its not an issue. otherwise there is literally no difference, its even an advantage for certain chords and licks at times

>>71395177
Stevie ray vaughan had bear paws for hands.

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>>71395177
>god-tier
hendrix was a manlet anyways lmao

>>71395201
Yeah but can anyone actually name one single SRV song, nope. He's not relevant.

>>71395215
he was like 6ft tall what are you on about

>>71395180
Never liked pre-worn holes in jeans
Want to buy a nice nitro guitar and play it for 40 years tho
Feel weird about the idea that I would pass on a relic guitar to my child when I pass

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>>71395219
>hating on Stevie
You can fuck right off

>>71395016
this is completely wrong

>>71395245
>5 10
manlet

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>>71395403
eat a dick

>>71389248
I bet you sound so fucking boring using that lazy method for guitar

>>71395348
>cant post a single example
whatever you say lanklet

marty friedman, jason becker, eric johnson, randy rhoads, shawn lane, tosin abasi, guthrie govan, dimebag darrel, srv, hendrix, satriani.

that;s just off the top of my head.

>>71395426
SRV was 5'5 lmao wtf

>>71395426
>one inch difference
still a manlet, and not even god tier player. so you eat a dick

>>71395525
name a god tier player

>>71389044
if you werent so worried about being called a hiptser for using one and could play well enough that it didn't get in the way youd know alot of old jap guitars play fine and sound great compared to most sub 500$ guitars these days. stop projecting your lack of ability on the dude. he likes whacky old guitars and there is nothing wrong with it if you can find a good one faggot.

>>71395509
>he only helped prove the manlets point
FUUUCKK

So before I had a bit of a break playing I was practicing constructing chords arbitrarily anywhere on the fretboard. This was mainly to get away from the typical sounds one would get from playing using standard learned shapes based on a root note.

Has anyone done much practice in this vein? I'm much inclined towards improv and thought it was a more interesting and flexible approach than just learning different inversions and shapes a bit more in depth. Although, it makes playing pretty taxing initially since you have to keep track of every chord you are playing over. Managing every single note you play within context (not even counting chord substitutions) is tiresome.

>>71395581
still waiting for you to name a god-tier player

good guitar youtube stuff? i like guitar of the day a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ee59SKxVp4

>>71395591
Probably be some mindless shredder who cant make a good song to save his life

>>71395448
When you play solos you only have the image of the shapes in your mind to guide you in the moment. If you actually played guitar you might understand what the grown ups in this thread are talking about.

>>71394447
your link sounded as entertaining as a room of guitar center customers. noones going to suck your dick for some chromatic scales sped up and down the neck. how about try something musical next time? m8?

>>71395635
so a god-tier player but alright songwriter? sounds about right. the best players are never the best sngwriters, lanklet

>>71395682
still waiting for you to name a god-tier player

>>71395664
>chromatic
>scales and phrasing
>not musical
>implying that's all ido
thanks for proving my point. feel free to post your playing, but i know you won't, cuz you're shit and insecure

>>71394043
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0oALUSXtbMk
What the fuck is that?

>>71395713
>>71395502
literally any of these, except hendrix and maybe rhoads
you reet

>>71395502
Pretty sure Randy Rhoads is like, the only player on that list with smaller hands. Eric Johnson, Tosin Abasi, and Hendrix all have/had much large than normal hands, while Guthrie Govan, Satriani, Friedman, and Lane all had have/had hands that fall on the large side of average.

>>71395637
if you play scales soley by pattern recognition and not from understanding the scales function and application in the music your not even trying to understand what your doing on the fretboard and you sound like an amateur. even guitarist who wank off on pentatonic licks all night at least understand the 5 variants of that scale and where to apply it in there wanky songs. stop trying so hard. its basic theory

>>71395682
The guitar is a musical instrument ya know so it matters what songs you create. Hendrix was a god tier player and a god tier songwriter. On the song machine on Band of Gypsys I have never heard anyone sound so intense

>>71395774
>marty friedman: god tier

Holy shit dude

>>71395779
Maybe you'd be better off teaching music, because you certainly aren't a player.

>>71395779
>not having a good-enough ear to not need theory
pleb detected. the best jazz guitarists hardly even used your shitty methods, they went by what the other anon was saying. same goes for other great players. it's really all about the ear and natural talent, if you know theory, thats fine, but it aint everything

>>71395594
>Norm here with another stratocaster that looks and plays like a stratocaster
>yours today for six grand

on what website do you learn playing bass, I played guitar for a while

>>71395801
sorry you've never listened to him

>>71395777
incorrect. theyre all short too

>>71389248
by that logic you would just throw any scale (major or minor) over any song as long as it's in the same key which doesnt maje sense because the key your in might be major or minor...so you should at least know what scale your playing or you might start soloing a harmonic minor scale over a song that is in a major and would sound horribly out of place in the song

>>71395835
Finally someone who knows whats up.

>>71395762
mindless intoxicated shred, and more impressive than anything you can play. but feel free to prfove me wrong

>>71395932
So? It sounds like shit, it's amusical. It's sounds just as impressive as if you weren't even playing at all.

>>71395921
yup. theory is fine, and even quite useful, but if you have a bad ear you are at a disadvantage no matter how much theory you use. good players can just play whatever they want by ear anyways. the fact he answered like that proves he has a bad ear. so he must rely on theory.

>>71395932

Yeah it's faster than anything I can play but it doesn't mean I have to like it

It's like bragging that your PT Cruiser goes faster than my bicycle

>>71395835
>the best jazz guitarists hardly even used your shitty methods
stopped reading there. jazz is literally applied theory used in improvisation. stop memeing about your ear and natraul talent. if you actually understood what you were doing youd know how much of a retard you sound like right now

>>71395835
This is an insanely stupid myth about musicianship that should die immediately. Developing your ear is important and certainly many of the best jazz musicians could translate the music they heard to their own instruments very quickly but that is a skill that takes practice and development. Talent also plays a role but VERY few people pick up an instrument and start shredding jazz language right away. Guys like Wes Montgomery and Pat Methany spent YEARS studying theory and listening to the guys that came before them like Charlie Parker. Go look up any video online of Wes communicating with other musicians during jam sessions and the language he uses indicates that he has a complete command over jazz vocabulary and the theory behind the harmony.

And again, having a good ear is important but the best musicians spend an equal amount of time studying theory AND listening to music. If you want to be a good musician then you need to immerse yourself in it.

>>71395914
You really don't have any clue what you're saying do you. Major and minor are the same scale, it's called relative keys dude look it up. Everything is the same. Harmonic minor is just regular minor with a raised 7th, if it sounds good in the song use it.

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>>71395953
many musical things will sound like shit to the untrained ear, that doesn't mean they're "amusical" (faggot lol). im still waiting for you to post your musical playing. let me guess, you play with "feeling," right? aka you play slowly and hold the bends for too long and keep adjusting your tone and everyone gets bored. sorry you can't recognize skill

>>71391557
Did fender really make this shit?

>>71395982
i never said you had to like it. bow down pleb

>>71396015
>>71396009
t. plebs who couldn't pick out a melody to save their life
stick to asking people what key things are in

>>71396041
Dude, you're a pretty okay guitar player but please stop being a cock. Game recognize game but you're giving technical playing a bad name. Be cool.

can the meme that playing fast makes you a good guitarist die already

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>>71395957
>implying I dont have a trained ear
theory isnt this robotic unmusical souless boogeyman dude...the fact your shapes even work at all in whatever you are playing is theory it possible a guitarist can have a trained ear & knowledge of what they are playing at the same time? scale theory is the basis of jazz guitar. all great jazz guitarist understand it and thats why they can do it seamlessly. it looks like they aren't thinking about it but they already know. You should play with some jazz guitarists you might learn a thing or two and step out of your comfort zone and become an even better soloist and improv player. but doing the "booo theory" thing makes you look dumb to real musicians

>>71396201
i know lots of theory, but having a good ear is much more important. people with a good ear often sound better than people with a knowledge of theory

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>>71396201
>real musicians

The fact you have this mentality makes you instantly one of those insufferable music asshole types. Just have a vague idea of what you're doing and LISTEN to what you're playing.

>>71396041
I'm sure you're "playing" will find you success and acclaim.

>>71396136
im not a technical player, i hardly even practice

>>71391183
Absolutely this. I'm so sick of people's smug attitudes towards guitar center and other big chain stores when any smaller store I've ever been to has merely come off as a GC-lite.

Maybe 20+ years ago things were different, but I'm convinced people just want to shit on guitar center to look cool.

>>71396242
I would imagine that there is considerable overlap between "people with a knowledge of theory" and "people with a good ear".

I am curious as to who you consider to be a good example of someone with a good ear that lacks any considerable theory knowledge.

What is the point of the Ionian mode when it exactly the same as the major scale?

>>71396015
pretty much this. When anyone memes like this a actual guitarist who knows what they are doing rolls there eyes because like you said. theu know what they are doing and idiots think bc they aren't babbling about each note and scale that they never learned it and therefore dont need it. I bet these guys couldn't use there "good ears" to play over a 2,5,1 for more then 5 seconds after the first chord change and would get laughed out of any jam session that they couldnt hide in root position and play there one box pattern over and over again.

>>71391865
There's nothing wrong with a worn instrument. But when it's intentionally worn it's just fucking stupid. No different that those idiots who bought jeans that came with holes already made in them back in middle school.

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>>71396296
who gives a shit what any of its called
its all the same fucking shapes just moved around the neck

these are the 5 positions of fucking everything major, minor iconic mode, nickelodeon mode whatever the fuck

>>71396016
You just displayed knowledge of scale theory and proved his point dude...... baited hard

>>71396311
i remember this guy in highschool that would purposefully drop his guitar on concrete and scratch it with his belt buckle. shit was retarded. only cool if you have thin paint and played it a lot so it gets worn out

>>71396345
You're a fucking moron.

>>71396309
you have a bad ear so of course you wounldt understaned. get over it. 2 5 1 is easy

>>71396395
>not just knowing the scale modes by their shapes and sounds

>>71396395
He's not wrong

>>71396296
Probably context. If I'm talking about melody in terms of the specific mode then it might make more sense to use modal names to describe scales or melodies rather than say "major scale", "major scale with a raised fourth", "minor scale with a natural sixth", etc. rather than the more general terms "major" and "minor".

Ionian is a weird example of this, though, since modal terms are used frequently in jazz with the exception of Ionian. You rarely hear musicians say "oh yes, playing this arpeggio under this chord will bring out an Ionian sound", but you do frequently hear things described in terms like "Lydian", "Dorian", "Aeolian", etc.

>>71396361
Cringe as fuck. What kind of guitar was it? I wonder if he saw that documentary where Jack Black teaches his son to jump on his guitar to make it sound better.

>>71396422
>memorize a bunch of shapes instead of just learning the scales
More work for worse results.

>>71396397
Are you this guy? >>71394043

>>71396426
If you can't see what's wrong with what he said than you're a moron too.

>>71396450
>Jack Black

Sorry, I meant Jack White

>>71396442
Typical pointless jack off gaylord response from a theoryshitter

>>71396453
The shapes are the scales you retard

>>71396397
no-one said it wasn't easy faggot, the point is there are basic fundamentals you posture That you dont need that are coming alive in everything you play. You just arent aware nc your an amateur

>>71396473
>The shapes are the scales you retard
You're so fucking stupid you don't even stand a chance of figuring it out.

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how would I use this

>>71396473
I fail to see how the response was pointless, was just answering a question. How else would you answer it?

>>71396507
thats steve vai's favorite scale

>>71395862
you don't get it there are different colours

What kind of audio interfaces do you guys use? I've never used recording software or amp modeling shit so I'm new to this shit

>>71396397
hey explain how 2,5,1 works to me right now then

>>71396507
Over a dominant 7 chord. Or to bring out a mixolydian sound over whatever key you're in.

>>71396495
this

>>71396495
they literally are.

>>71396478
>theoryfag is so butthurt about his shitty ear he can't even type a coherent reply

>>71396464
i wish

>>71396550
Dude, he has the internet, he can go look it up. If anything, ask him to play over one without just moving between scale shapes under each chord change, or throw in a tritone sub or whatever.

>>71396589
>they literally are.
They aren't and that fact that you think you actually learned what a scale is by memorizing a bunch of shapes is very cute.

>>71396589
Ah, had you confused for someone else, then. Either way, quit being a dick.

>>71396550
the two chord, the five chord, the one chord. one of the most common progressions in jazz. i dont really care because i can just hear it anyways, but it helps to be able to describe it for theoryfags

>>71396590
probably a better idea yea, my bad

>>71396611
i didn't need to memorize shapes, i just hear them. and they are, unless you're a theoryfag that actually cares

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These men are theory gods. How can you even compete

>>71396589
>theory fag
yea this defitnally is a /gg/ guitarist

>>71396616
KEK do you even know the actual names or how they relate to eachother enough to explain it without saying "one chord" ?

>>71396634
>I have no clue what I'm talking about the post
Very cute anon. It's funny that you think you actually have any idea what you are talking about.
Scales are not just shapes. They are a set of intervals from a root note. It's significantly more versatile and faster to learn what those intervals are instead of just memorizing shapes.

And by the way you do ear training while you learn theory so no you don't have some skill that "theory fags" don't have you just have a handicapped knowledge base.

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>>71396616
does this make you uncomfortable?

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>hurr durr shapes arent scales

Oh my god, wait! Could these 5 SHAPES actually make up a pentatonic scale!? what a revelation!

theoryfags and shitters btfo

>>71396611
I think I understand where he's coming from in terms of saying what he did about scale shapes but I think what gets lost on him is that a scale's harmonic function is generally a specific thing that might not be appropriate in just any ad hoc musical context. I used to think like that before I got a bit more serious about ear training; it takes a degree of discipline to not just go off from D mixolydian to G major to F# Locrian lines if your progression is C major, G major, Em7. Sometimes consciously playing within that E minor sound is a much more effective musical choice since it highlights the mood set forth by the progression, with some interesting harmonic deviations for color.

>>71396705
Intervals are literally shapes you pretentious retard. And either way, you still suck donkey cock at guitar.

>>71396726
try following a chord change with any of those"shapes" that isnt a standard blues or rock tune and watch your entire basis of guitar fall apart in front of you

>>71396724
Wow circle of fifths. You must be quite the player

>>71396764
>intervals are just shapes
there the distance between notes...

>>71396766
no problem dude, you just add two notes to that scale and you got your faggot spanish sounding aeolian crap

btfo'd you again

>>71396766
He never claimed it was more than a pentatonic scale

>>71396726
The shapes aren't the scale. If they were the scale you could change to a tuning with a different ratio of tones between strings and still play the same scale with the same shapes. But you can't because a scale isn't the shape it's the intervals and a "shape" is just half-assed way of learning how to play those intervals that is only applicable under specific tunings on specific insturments. You have to memorize a different shape for each different way you want to play the exact same scale on your fretboard in each different tuning on each different instrument.

>>71396764
Intervals are combinations of steps and half steps. They measure the tonal distance between different notes.

>>71396805
Yes, which is on nearly every instrument represented by a shape. Even sonically it is. Theoryfags btfo again

>>71396815
Not that guy, but your response indicates that you are waaayyy out of your depth at this point.

>>71396797
your the faggot who cant even answer my question and explain a simple progression and decided to shitpost instead. your ear is really doing wonders tonight in this thread for you

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>>71396855
>Not that guy

>>71396838
Except that shape doesn't stay the same. The interval does stay the same. Not even on the same instrument does that shape stay the same.

You're method gives worse results for more work. It is idiotic and the only reason you think it's good is because you are a complete moron.

It is significantly quicker, easier, and more versatile to learn the actual scales instead of just memorizing shapes.

>>71396857
I did explain it, youre just triggered because youre a bad played and use theory as a crutch

>>71396881
Its easier if you have a bad ear and bad memory. The talented people dont need to spend much time on it.

>>71396924
You aren't talented. Your shredding sounded like shit. And yes it is easier and more effective.

>>71396827
Guitar and bass use the same tuning dumbfuck. And this is guitar general, not fucking shamisen general what other stringed instruments am I going to use a guitar minor scale shape on, I mean come on.

why does a "5 chord" lead to the "1 chord" just answer the question.

>>71396941
>And yes it is easier and more effective
For you, because youre untalented and have a bad ear. My shredding was also great, sorry you cant compete

>>71396953
>Guitar and bass use the same tuning dumbfuck.
Are you are retard? different tunings on the exactly same instrument can and do have different ratios of tones between the strings. God damn you are stupid. You don't even have the most basic knowledge of your insturment.

Also, there isn't only one shape for the minor scale even in the same tuning.

>>71396967
You shouldn't ask that in this thread, it's the worst place on /mu/

>>71396967
Yes if yiu use it right

>>71396988
>My shredding was also great
Keep telling yourself that kid. You're a hack of a guitar player.

>>71396999
your right this is going way over ear cucks head

>>71396993
>there isn't only one shape for the minor scale even in the same tuning

You also use the term shape, so you just btfo'd yourself idiot lmao.
And there are 5 positions to all guitar scales within 12 frets.
Think before you post next time so I don't have to waste time correcting your bullshit.

>>71397021
>theoryfag so butthurt he resorts to 'muh shredding'

I may be a hack, but im still so much better than you. Post an improvised clip like i did to prove me wrong. I know you wont, because youre shit

>>71397055
>You also use the term shape, so you just btfo'd yourself idiot lmao.
Are you honestly this stupid? God damn I've got to learn to stop wasting my time on morons.

Post your 2-5-1 improvs since we are on the topic?
https://clyp.it/wnglisqn

Bad mic so turn down the volume.

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>>71397079
lol I won the net battle. You can't come up with anything else because you got fucked. better luck next time.

>>71397079
>lol ur stupid even though i make myself look more retarded with each post
You are on of the most butthurt faggots ive seen in a while. But I would be too if i got btfo by a shredcuck

Roman is out in full force today it seems

>>71397089
shredfags dont even know one of those chords you played so I doubt youl get any replies

>>71397089
Whats 2 5 1? Is that like the shape on the frets?

>>71397094
>>71397106
>having to resort to samefagging.

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>>71397147
lol cry more little baby

>>71397147
>cant inspect element or comprehend the fact that more that more than 1 anon thinks hes a dumbass
Why are theoryfags so damn retarded.

>>71397139
it refers to the 3 chords functiond in relation to eachother. your 2 is a super tonic, 5 is your dominant chord and 1 is the tonic. dominant resolves to the tonic and sounds very good to untrained and trained ears. if you were in the key of A for example a 2,5,1 would be B, E, A

>this thread
Theoryniggers on suicide watch

>>71397139
It's a sequence of chord that has a fairly natural resolution on the tonic. It's very common and there are countless variations of it.

In C major it could be the following sequence of chords. Dm - G - C.

The seventh chords are much more interesting to use with it though. With that, it would be Dm7 - G7 - Cmaj7. The G7 in particular has a tritone interval which is very dissonant. However, with increased dissonance there is a greater payoff on the resolution to the Cmaj7.

A nice simple substitution that is sometimes made is to replace the G7 with the seventh chord a tritone away. For example Dm7 - Db7 - Cmaj7. The reason this works is because the tritone within the Db7 is comprised of the same notes as that in the G7. Even though you are playing a lot of off-scale chords in this case the sound generally still feels okay due to the natural resolution of the tritone.

Hope this was partly interesting.