/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

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How long did it take you to git gud at bar chords?

>>71398209
3-4 months to be successful at it. 6 months to do it reliably without looking/trying.

>>71398209
I don't think anyone who is mentally sane ever took notice of something like that. Just keep playing.

>>71398318
>>71398258
I did. Because it was something I couldn't do, and I wanted to do it. So when I nailed a bar chord, I noticed. And when I could change between chords, I noticed that too. Not claiming sanity, though.

>>71398209
Even after I could do them, it took me a while after to be able to do them without my hands hurting

got a soft little buzz when I strum my low E string moderately. I'm a bit new when it comes to fixing things up, but would it be something I could fix with truss rod adjustment? Or should I adjust the bridge height?

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My contribution.

>>71398614

Is your guitar used? Is the buzzing on one string, or across all the strings? Buzzing away from the 12th fret, or clean, then buzzing, then clean again?

Buzzing on some strings but not others usually indicates a twist in the neck. Buzzing across strings south of the 12th fret but not above indicates a convex (bent back) neck. Buzzing between, say, the 5th fret and 15th, indicates a concave (bent forward) neck.

In most cases, best place to start is with a "massage". Take the tension off the strings, take the tension out of the rod. Twist the neck back and forth to relieve the internal residual stresses in the wood. Then slightly tension the rod. Add tension to the strings. Play along the fretboard starting at the nut. Early buzz means you need more tension in the truss rod. Keep tensioning the truss rod and balancing the strings until the buzz is gone and you're in tune. May have to try a few times, but good learning exercise. Rarely does changing the bridge elevation actually improve string buzz. Hope that helps.

>>71398731

Actually, increasing the elevation of the bridge decreases playability So I usually set bridge elevation before detensioning the strings. Lower the bridge as much as possible, play in the upper registers of the guitar and make sure there's no buzz. If that's the case, then a flat neck will also be buzz-free. Then I detension the strings and truss rod, massage the neck with a twisting motion along its length, add tension back, etc.

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Contributing for new topic.

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i just bought one of these for a really good price, its a 1987 fernandes soloist copy

does any of /gg/ have a thing for mij guitars?
e.g greco, orville, tokai,

or is /gg/ strictly fender twinks

>>71399296
/gg/'s got a hard on for MIJ Fenders. I'd have to say I do too though.

>>71398165
https://soundcloud.com/jessecarpenter0/panda-express

Check out this guitar jam that I jammed with my guitar (: I like buckethead, tosin, mclaughlin, macalpine, feodor, daniel davidsen, hendrix, frusciante, sharkey, all those cats plus a bunch more, like piano players and saxophone players. Coltrane for sure. Chopin. Paganini. They're all cool.

>>71398731
Thanks a bunch, definitely helped!

>>71399366
dont shill in here, go post that in your soundcloud containment thread

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I feel like this is the only true patrician setup and if you disagree you don't know SHIT about guitars.

>>71398209
Longer than it should have. I pretended it wasn't that important for the longest time and could only barely do an F barre chord for the longest time.

Just pick out a few songs that utilize them a lot and practice them daily. A good one to start with is Rooster, pretty simple but it gets you on the way to being comfortable with barre chords.

>>71399549
I have a line 6 spider III HD150 head and Spider III 320W 4x12 Cabinet and I have no idea why I have it. It's too big.

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>>71398165
I've wanted an Ibanez for a while and I'm torn between an RG450dx and the Jem Jr. From what I can tell they're more or less the same but the Jem is $100 more with the fancy fretboard design, grip, and somewhat different tremolo system.

What should I do?

>>71399612
I don't see why you would shell out an extra hundred just to have a steve vai lookalike guitar. I actually think it's uglier than the RG with that corny fretboard and everything is white (pickups, pick guard, locking bolt and knobs)

The RG has the same build overall and looks nicer so I'd go with that. According to the GC website both have Quantum pickups, since it's a cheaper guitar I'm gonna assume they don't sound very good so I'd suggest getting some DiMarzio's or symour duncans. I've also heard mixed things about the Edge Zero II tremolo system. It would be smart to go to a local store and try one out before buying it. Nothing is worse than a locking trem that still doesn't stay in tune.

>>71399549
>line 6
>true patrician

>>71399650
>I've also heard mixed things about the Edge Zero II tremolo system.

That's one of the main reasons I was considering the jem, the different trem system. But I've been reading up on it and most things I've found claim that the Edge Zero II is better than the trem system in the Jem Jr so I'll probably go with that.

>>71399447
But I play guitar and it's pretty much just a guitar solo and this is the guitar thread shred edition. What's the officer problem?

be honest, can you play little wing?

>>71399879
I used to, I never really kept up at it to retain my knowledge. The most advanced thing I can do now is probably the Highway Star solo

>>71399879
In a decade of playing I've never learned a Hendrix lick or riff
He's not interesting

>>71399935
Who do you think is more interesting to study?

>>71400067
Muhammed Suicmez

is justinguitar pretty all-encapsulating? Feels like shit going from being able to bust out pretty much anything on drums to not even being able to play fucking green day songs on guitar.

>>71399935
Woah, you must be really smart to consider one of the all time greats uninteresting. I'm fucking impressed already.

>>71400106
Just one person? You don't like Jimi Hendrix, you've been playing for decades and only study one dude named Muhammad? Is that what you call a burger with bacon? Moo-Hammed?

>>71400155
Who do you study in the drumland?

>>71400209
Not a lot as of late. I've mostly been just picking stuff and improving in the style over it which proved more useful. If you're asking for your own learning, I started with Carmine Appice learning resources cause his were fun enough to stick with it as a kid. Then it was studying most of the well known resources (Ted Reed: snare drummer books, prog syncopation, etc. Jim Riley bebop drumming, some other jazz/brazillian books.).

And then alongside the improving n whatnot I would lift stuff from drummers I like. Mark Giuliana, Steve Gadd, Matt Garstka, Benny Greb, Eric Harland, to name a few. Even the not as technically or musically involved drummers had stuff I found useful tho. I got stuff from Aaron Solowoniuk, Travis Barker, all those more generic rock drummers.

I had someone holding my hand thru the early stages, and I'm generally bad at learning off rails at the start, which is why I'm wondering about justinguitar.

>tfw you can play guitar but not that well
>everything you try to make is just shitty chord progressions

Kill me

>>71400283
I was glad to see Matt Garstka mentioned. I study him and Blake Richardson a lot. I'm not that good at drums, I mostly just jam simple 4/4 beats and practice my singles on the pad, but for composition purposes and whatnot, I learn a lot from people like that.

I also like Chris Dave and Dave Weckl a lot. Have you ever heard of Damien Schmitt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GeZ0YOMNWs

Why do electric guitars sound so crappy that they have to be masked in a ton of effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9n9gNX3-Oo

how to get the kinks guitar sound? what is it that makes it so distinctive?

>>71400378
I love Chris Dave and Dave Weckl, forgot to mention them haha. I actually got weckls Evo crashes on my kit, amazing sound. I've heard a little bit of damien, tho I can't say I've heard a lot of his stuff.

That's good that you look ahead at players that may be a bit ahead of your playing. A lot of my learning just came from saying fuck it and playing along to the song as best as I could and forcing the hard parts, no matter how sloppy they ended up being, til something stuck, a lot of the time not even singling out the part, though I don't know how smart or dumb that may have been.

Been on all day but getting off now, best of luck with drums, fucking love em haha.

>>71399296
Those guitars should stay in the 80s where they belong

>>71400440
VOX AC30 and a razor blade to the speaker wasn't it?

>>71400427
Because NASA doesn't make pickups and the wood used is shitty 99% of the time. Go to guitar center find me one guitar on the wall made out of anything slightly exotic. Drums are made out of all sorts of woods like bubinga maple walnut tigerwood purpleheart. Guitars are the same almost every time.

>>71400553
>tfw basses are made out of all kinds of exotic woods
Checkmate guitarists!

>>71400440
If you mean the early distorted sound, I read that dave took a razor blade to his speakers, and used an elpico tranny amp as a preamp for his AC30. A decent rough fuzz into an AC30 type should get you within spitting distance

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>>71400553

>>71400427
Effects are fun and cool. But equally, I really love the clean sound of my guitars, I rarely play distorted.

>>71400744
Are there famous players who don't use effects and just play clean?

>>71400744
Same. I used to play with tons of effects, but over the years started eliminating them. Now it's either a straight clean sound, slightly overdriven orange amp, subtle chorus from a fulltone chorus pedal, or delay from the memory toy. My other pedals haven't even been taken out of the box in years.

>>71400848
Not sure. I know that players like Roger Mcguin mostly just used compression.

>>71400859
I bought guitar rig for recording and went down the effects black hole. Great fun, but ultimately pointless.

>>71400848
More common in jazz to play clean, unless you're playing fusion or something

>>71400905
This is a problem with effects. I see no problem with them when used creatively and to adjust timbre, but sometimes it becomes more about the effects than the music. A huge problem I see with a lot of guitarists is that they cover up technical issues in their playing by using heavy effects, whether they're conscious of it or not is pretty annoying.

>>71400859
A lot of effects processors just sound "music store good". They're designed so that path 1 bank 1 sounds incredible in a music store and holds your attention just long enough so you lay the cash out and take it home. And get bored of it.

All I use now is a Boss compressor, Eventide delay and Eventide reverb. Anything else is just not necessary.

>>71398209
If you need help with barre chords learn Drain You by Nirvana

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>>71399860
This general is for posting pictures of gear only. No displays of talent allowed. You'll make the other anons nervous.

Help
Thoughts on this?

https://clyp.it/y2d53lpn

Seems like this type of music use lighter and less compressed mixes, what you guys think

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>>71400553
That's because wood makes no difference with electric guitar. So tired of this pseudo science bullshit.

Amp>pickups>strings>everything else.

If you have a shit amp, you will sound shit. Fucking alder, mahagony, bubinga, it's all the same.

>>71401429
Yeah i agree, even solid and semihollow sound the same
Its all in the pickups and strings

Do these count as shredding/wanking?

https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria/asdasd

https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria/jammin

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>>71401429

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These are the best guitars for djenting, prove me wrong

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r8 and h8

>>71401429
Wood only means anything if you play clean, and it's still a negligible difference.

>>71401586
weakest bait in a while

>>71398165
>So far Have only been learning songs from youtube videos
>Struggling now that I'm trying to learn from tabs and by ear.
The dearth in decent tabs amazes me.

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>>71398165
Main Gear
Gretsch G6118t stock w/ 10-52's E standard
Gretsch G5135 new electrics, input jack, fliterons, 12-56's D standard
New rancher acoustic electric

Fender Hot rod w/ Jensen green p12
Ashdown little bastard head/1x15 cab

Varius pedal

>>71401816
Just focus on intervals if you want to learn stuff by ear. It's boring but listen (and sing) intervals for 10 minutes every day. You know how an octave sounds, a 5th sounds similar in how consonant it is, you known how a major and minor 3rd sound like, etc. The rest isn't too hard. And once you can listen for and sing intervals it'll be much easier to learn stuff by ear.

>>71401450
>even solid and semihollow sound the same
Semi hollows are literally solid body guitars with hollow wings. The wings do jack shit, there is no top to freely vibrate.

>>71401979
No, its the opposite, they're hollowbody guitars with a block in the middle to prevent feedback, which doesnt take the hollow sound carachter away completely

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4nsebXJhM

Anyone want to try recording this?

>>71402001
How is there a hollow body "character" to the sound if you literally take away the one major thing that differentiates hollow from solid body guitars? Also, many semi hollows have ridiculously thick tops and sides to the point where they wouldn't even work as a hollow body even if they made the top vibrate freely.
It's for looks, besides that it's pointless.

>>71402044
Ok whats a good hollowbody guitar with a thin top?

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>>71401528
>only 3 strings

Try again, hotshot.

>>71402065
And small, like a es339 cause i'm a short guy

>>71402065
A proper jazz guitar with a pickup system in it, for example.

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My hearing fucking sucks,
I've been practicing playing by ear, and can olny distinguish intervals, not notes. If you ask what note I just heard, my mind would go blank.

Should i sell my guitar and bass and just neck myself?

>>71402122
But they say jazz archtops arent good for blues and rock

If there were like a Epi Casino with humbuckers it would be everything

>>71402165
So, you have relative pitch. That's absolutely enough. Get good and consistent at that, it's more than enough to play by ear.

>>71402165
Perfect pitch is difficult to obtain. I've been playing guitar for 20 years and have picked up piano and bass along the way and I still can't tell you what exact notes I hear.

Being able to recognize intervals is a good start since it will give you some direction on what you are hearing. Also focus on learning to hear the difference between types of chords (maj, min, sus, domain, dim, and augmented. Later on you can worry about altered dominants and weird chords, for now keep it simple). Next step is to learn to distinguish chord progression sounds like the sound of a I IV V versus a I vi ii V. If you can hear things like this and you understand your key signatures, you can logically figure out songs by ear rather than relying on what notes you hear. Try figuring out new songs every day.

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here's my gear

gibson LP studio & 4003 rick

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Just ordered this. Did i fuck up.

>>71402300
That Rick is the wrong colour. Only midnight blue and walnut are acceptable.

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I got the Orville a few days ago, haven't had a chance to post until now, so here it is.

The pickups are nice, neck is clear and warm and the bridge is cutting.

I raised the action a bit to get rid of some buzzing and bring a little sustain back (it was set up crazy low) and I think I've got a new main player.

>>71402283 (me)
>>71402165
>>71402205
Also check out this book if you can find a copy (looks to be out of print now). Well worth the price. It has plenty of music theory concepts like intervals, progressions, chord substitutions, reharmonizations.
The good thing with this book is it takes the entire Beatles discography and lists examples down to the exact point in the song to fast forward to if you want to hear the concept in action. This can be great ear training practice if you like the Beatles

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>>71402344 (me)
Forgot to attach the image.

>>71402312
Those are great guitars, Yamaha is underappreciated.

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>>71402319
Heh, I know

but actually, I really love that fireglo
also, it's not that easy finding one, and just so happened one of my first color choices was available

>>71402165
listen, listen and listen
do you sing? do you harmonize? your body is your main instrument, you have to tune it accordingly

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why is the color uneven? Help

Look, there's on 12 notes. Learn them. It's not rocket science

>>71402375
>FLCL
My Negro

>>71402389
because you/previous owner/s used to love nailing lame ass solos, and the paint and finishing is gone now?

>>71398670
Underrated post

>>71402389
Is the gloss finish intact? If so, whoever tinted that maple neck did a shitty job.

>>71402344
Holy shit, will definetely look for it

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Hai buddies. My line6 spider IV has been acting up again and it wont fucking work. I opened it up, made sure that none of the pins are bent or burnt, but the motherfucker just won't work. Jack and electric guitar are fine, they work on other amplifiers and on my computer. What advice would y'all give an aspiring guitarfag in terms of making the jump from shitty amplifiers to cabinets and heads? I was thinking orange, marshall, randall or even VOX, but I'm sure there's plenty of options. Even the axe FX... Just not Line6. I feel like Line6 is a meme brand that no proper guitar player will use

>>71402857
>I feel like Line6 is a meme brand that no proper guitar player will use
Because it is.
>the jump from shitty amplifiers to cabinets and heads
that depends what the fuck do you actually want to play

>>71402857
Look into tube amps. Find something you can afford with the features you need. Get a decent cabinet as you can upgrade the speakers whenever, and get the best tube head you can afford.

Combos are ok, but the tubes get rattled pretty hard in a combo.

Hell get a new bigera tri rec and a used cabinet.

>>71402885

I recently got together with 3 other faggots wanting to play some deathcore together. Memes aside, I think an axe fx is a respectable option for guitar effects and tones. But is it the only respectable option? Is it still better to go with a normal head/cabinet and build a pedal board to get my own sound?

>>71402939

Thanks! I will spend the afternoon googling shit. The guitarfags I used to hang out with have either left the city or are too busy to hang out and talk gear. I need to get a mentor or just learn about it myself. This bugera trirec looks modern and sweet.

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Anyone recognise the headstock and knows what guitar he's playing? I'd really like to know

>>71402964
Axe fx is a kickass preamp, but you still need a power amp and speaker cab. Great for recording. Guess it works ok hooked di into a pa as well.

But for the price of an axe fx, you can get a mesa dual recto, and throw together a pedal board. Much more options that way still.

>>71402964
I think the kemper is even better than the axe-fx, of course it depends on the 'profiles' you make and find online, but I think it sounds better with way less fiddling and is actually fun to use while the axe-fx is practically useless without a computer running the config software next to it which makes it feel like a overly complicated guitar rig version

>>71402964
>deathcore
used 5150 and a cab
that's all you need

>>71403151
This. It's a good amp for pretty much anything metal.

>>71403117
>>71403094

Yeah I feel like the axe fx is a tad too complicated for my current guitar knowledge. If I got it, I wouldn't be able to get 30% of its total capabilities... So I guess I'm better off looking for some nice big ole cab and a tube amp. I was even considering mesa boogie, I want to go all out and get a setup that will last me a long time.

Plus I've always heard good things about the mesa boogies. I think Adam jones from Tool was running that aswell, so that's cool too

>>71403022
Bugera has some qc issues but its hard to find a company without those nowadays. Great customer service but I havent had to use them. My 333xl never had an issue besides a couple tubes dying, just replaced them and theyve been fine for a few years.

Good thing with the infinium is it makes tubes easier for newbs to get into.

Fuck whatever /gg/ has to say, even me. Find you something nice at a good price and enjoy it. The best use is to ask about stuff you want to buy and narrow out. Youre going to learn of any glaring flaws more than you would learn how useful something is or how to put it to use.

>>71403117
There's virtually no fiddling to get a good sound of an AxeFX. Yes there are menus and menus of parameters but you can get a good sound very quickly by just throwing a drive and an amp block down.

AxeFX vs Kemper isn't an argument that's had be people who actually own them. They're not really comparable for aimed at the same market.

>>71403200
>If I got it, I wouldn't be able to get 30% of its total capabilities..
See above. An AxeFX isn't a POD. There are parameters to infinitely fine tune a tone but it sounds great without ever looking at those menus.

>>71403200
Ive had good experience with mesa. Built like a tank for the most. Have drove across the usa and used a mesa and let it be backlined for other bands.

Peavey 5150 is another good metal amp, not the best clean chanel but hey, still does what you need.

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Looks like you guys were on point. No need for grand axe fx's or fancy things for now. The guys at whitechapel are running an EVH 5150 and some mesa cabinets with a nice pedal board.

>>71403295
EVH 5150 Stealth is good, however most people guitarists agree the standard EVH 5150 III sounds worse than the old 5150/6505 for high gain though.

>>71398670
>that shotgun is from FONV and I instantly recognized it

kill me
>>71403295
the guys at whitechapel also sound like shit, and are the worst band i've ever had the displeasure of seeing live

>>71403490

Yeah, they're not precisely the best example of professional sound in the deathcore scene. But keep in mind that I'm going to compose and jam to shitty homemade songs with some friends, so the advice on this thread makes sense and is in line with what other bands are doing

>>71403547
even if they do sound bad, it's not the 5150 which is at fault here

>>71398165
I'm getting my first proper guitar tomorrow. Time to stop being a lazy piece of shit.

>>71403676

Don't forget to have fun! With enough proper practice and your passion behind it you can have enormous amounts of fun and share that with other people. There's nothing like noticing your own progress as you practice!

>>71403676
Dont forget to have fun. Seems most forget about that when starting out.

>>71403744
>>71403723 (me)

guitarfag hivemind in action here. wew lads.

>>71403676
dont forget to hate yourself

>>71403676
Remember that guitar is dead so it's all pointless anyway

>>71403723
>>71403744
No worries.
>>71403792
>>71403873
:3

>>71402044
Whatever you say, they DO sound different you can percieve the sweeter, less heavy tone

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>>71403921

>>71398165
Should I get a Boss Katana for fucking around at home plus occasional gigging/fucking around with friends?
Can I get away with the 50W version if I'm not playing any metal or super loud (as far as I'm aware)?

>>71403921
tell me more how you did a perfect 1:1 comparison of two guitars with the exact same specs and setup and strings and age of strings and literally all variables including how the strings are struck except for the fact that one was soild body and the other one was semi hollow. Obviously double blind with at least 2 test groups and peer reviewed.
Man, you must have a lot of time and money to conduct these kinds of tests!

Who /theory/ here?

>>71404013
i remember when people were posting this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y_tyUjkkhA

and saying tonewood makes a difference, like they could fucking tell if there was no graph there LOL

>>71398165
That's a nice ax

>>71403947
yes katana 100 rock my bones. Its good BUY IT NOW

>>71404173
It's 100 bucks more than the 50W version though.... In what situation would the 50W version seriously be underpowered?

>>71404013
its very pronounced at 3:57 of this video https://youtu.be/wgpMs5_a_Xs

>>71404265
100 has more input outputs and sounds deeper

>>71404300
>>71404265
100 watt has:

Physical presence knob
Line Out
GA-FC foot switch capable
Aux in (50 watt may have this. not sure)
5 channel selection
FX loop
Bigger cabinet
Bigger speaker magnet

The 50 watt does not have those

>>71403594
I blame the 7-string EMG meme machines

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I was on here last night asking questions about 7 strings and I just pulled the trigger on this meme. Fucking hype.

>>71404342
so I suppose the 100W version is the "gigging" version at the end of the day. Hmm, now I'm not sure. If I'm perfectly honest, I probably won't end up gigging with it, so it comes down to the presence setting, the bigger cabinet and the different speaker. Do the 2 versions sound very different?

>>71404488

Ibanez 7 stringers are a good choice, f a m. I just bought meself a mid-range Ibanez iron label and it stomps other meme-tier 7 string brands. If you just bought that sweet looking Ibanez on the picutre, you're in for a very special treat. Make sure to take great care of that thing, anon, it's going to service you for a looooong time, and it looks kickass aswell.

>>71404124
You have a music theory question?

>>71398165
>check out guitar from some bloke on our equivalent of Craigslist
>he does a short demo, hands me the guitar and I check it out
>in decent condition, but horrible setup and intonation
>I ask him about it, yes he played it like that for years, didn't see anything wrong with it
How are some good players so terrible at this? Why can't you just google how to do a guitar setup? Jesus Christ, it's so easy but they choose to play the guitar in such a shitty condition instead.

>>71404799

Lack of a music band or just lack of guitarfag friends can lead to some bad habits building up. I should know, I used to be one of those "dad said this amplifier was fine, just crank it up LOL" kind of guitar kiddie. Then through research I realized there was SO much more to playing the guitar, and I cleaned up my act. Same with my meme-tier gear.

Best thing you could do is to point out the inconsistencies in his setup, he'll become worried or curious and figure it out. Kids are having fun playing but they don't know jack shit about tone, gear and proper setup

>>71404799
I prefer very high action, but not intonating your guitar is just lazy.

>>71405108
His action wasn't just high, it was retarded. One or two strings were just significantly higher than the rest, etc. And yes, the whole intonation thing is just stupid. But hell, I remember watching a video where a guy recommended people not to adjust or even check intonation if they liked their guitar the way it is. I don't get it.

>>71405108
>high action
Blooze lawyer confirmed

There is literally no advantage to high action unless you fall for the sustain meme. You probably believe in tone wood too.

>>71404759
No not really

>>71405179
Heavier picking without buzz would come to mind. Not that guy, just saying. Depending on your playstyle I can see why someone would like a higher action.

>>71404927

In my first 5 years of playing I didn't even know what intonation was. I didn't have internet until I was 20.

>>71405179
>only BLOOZ LAWYERS play with high action xD! im a stupid cunt lmao rofl!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52-IFMXI60&t=5m46s

Hmm. I have to replace my strings but the fucking floyd rose bridge annoys me every time.

>>71405277
J has so much cool gear

>>71404488
>That unpainted back and maple neck

hnnnngggggg

seriously cool shit though anon. Take care of it.

>>71405179
I don't even play blues, I play mathrock on a squier jazzmaster. So I may be a faggot, but definitely not a blooze lawyer.
And I like it because it's comfortable, I have virtually no sustain

Not like anybody cares but yesterday I posted I bought a new guitar and the neck pickup wasn't working.

Took it back today and they let me swap it out with an identical model, all is well.

>>71405277

If he had lower action I bet he wouldn't sound so tired all the time. Poor guy puts all his energy into pushing the strings down with his fingers so hard he needs a nap.

>>71405696
I'm happy for you anon, what guitar?

>>71405696

Told you GC was pretty ok, mang.

>>71405716
when I watch j mascis interviews on youtube, i put the speed at 1.25. makes him sound normal

>>71405696
Nice. I'd be pretty bummed out picking up something broken desu

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>>71405277
>tfw I based my JM off his backup guitar but then they released his signature

Fuck

>>71401429
If wood type didn't matter why doesn't everyone just make electric guitars out of basswood or agathis

>>71405870
Because they manufactured a good enough meme and thought "Hey some of these idiots will actually believe this".

Same reason they charge a fortune to setup your guitar at guitar center

>>71404488
I have the 6string version - it's excellent. Have fun anon.

>>71405757
Standard strat. It was probably a connection issue that a quick solder could fix but I'm not going to do that to a brand new guitar, get me one that works

>>71405767
It's hard to tell because they try to sell you all kinds of shit , but I'm glad they made the swap no questions asked. I wouldn't mind the store if it wasn't pushy like they are, but I get why it is
>>71405780
Its alright. The fret ends were a little cheese gratery too so hopefully the new one fixes that issue too.

>>71404369
Nah, emgs are fine - a shitton of people use them and they can sound great.

>>71405983
lol might have to oldschool file it down yourself

>>71406001
Well I'm gettting a new one shipped in no questions asked. I don't mind if they are poking out a little it just comes with it being wood, if the new one I have to file down carefully I will

>>71405870
The problem with basswood is it is a softer wood and warps easily

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just got this on the right

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>>71406068
The fact that this makes sense but instead of marketing it as this they chose the tonewood meme instead is just sad

>>71406131
Very artsy dude. Do you play upright too?

>>71406189
They wouldn't be able to sell their basswood guitars if they said it was anything more than just tone

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>>71406131

Das small and violin lookin bass, man
Das like... gay shit, man
Play some vivaldi dude

>>71406265
I mean I don't think selling them would still be an issue.
In the first place price point would still be a thing, itd be more like making people aware of what they're getting instead continuing that shady practice of misleading or omitting information.

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>>71406342

Nah das the good shit, dude
He play all music theory looking
He has a girlfriend, das sweet f am

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How do I get into Jazz playing ?

>>71406390
>jazz

EX-TER-MI-NATE

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>>71406390
Become good at playing both rhythm and lead.
Jazz looks to be the most demanding of the genres.

>>71406068
Well in that case it makes sense, but surely there are much cheaper woods that aren't as bad as basswood that would cost much less to manufacture

>>71406068
>basswood warps easily

[citation needed]

quit pulling "facts" out of your gaping asshole

>>71406390
learn theory, especially harmonies and changes and how to play and sight read them fluently
play with bassists, drummers, vocalists and winds to build a sense of comping
improvise on different changes as you understand what's going on and what chords/scales apply to build a language
also get a teacher to speed up that whole process by 1000%

>>71406466
I'm not that guy but this might help http://www.wood-database.com/basswood/

>>71406487
I have a teacher but he only knows how to teach Blues and classical

>>71406487
>sight read
>Guitar
lol gl with that

>>71406508
>Ctrl+F
>warp

nothing found

>>71406466
Learn to google.

http://www.wood-database.com/basswood/

>mentions soft wood quality.
>mentions the fact that the wood will rupture or break with average weight applied

>>71406508
Beat me to it lol

>>71406543
absolutely doable and not even a very hard thing to do with most of your typical realbook standard changes
why would it be different than any other instrument in your opinion?

>>71406560

Stop being lazy and read you faggot

>>71406390
Jazz serves a cultural function in the music scene. It is a signifier for musical "adulthood." To embrace jazz is to don a kind of graduation cap, signifying a broadening of tastes outside "mere" rock music. This ostentatious display of "sophistication" is an insult, and I find the graduation cappers transparent and tedious. Certainly there must be interesting music one could call "jazz." There must be. I've never heard it, but I grant that it is out there somewhere.

Jazz has a non-musical parallel: Christiania, the "free" zone in Copenhagen. In Christiania, like in jazz, there is no law. People are left to their own inventions to create and act as they see fit. In Jazz, the musicians are allowed to improvise over and beside structural elements that may themselves be extemporaneous. Sounds good, doesn't it? Freedom -- sounds good.

The reality is much bleaker. Christiania is a squalid, trashy string of alleys with rag-and-bone men selling drugs, tie-dye and wretched food. Granted Total Freedom, and this is what they've chosen to do with it, sell hash and lentil soup? Jazz is similar. The results are so far beneath the conception that there is no English word for the dissappointment one feels when forced to confront it. Granted Total Freedom, you've chosen to play II V I and blow a goddamn trill on the saxophone? Only by willfully ignoring its failings can one pretend to appreciate it as an idiom and don the cap.

- Steve Albini

>>71406390
Theory

>>71406611
If we're talking about standard notation sight reading.
There's a bunch of ways to interpret it on guitar, also notation was designed for use with piano and guitar was one of the last instruments to arrive.
You won't see any guitarists looking at sheet music in almost any jazz recording or live performance

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Why is there such a large range in price for twin reverbs? How much should I expect to spend and what's the differences between the different year/model of the amp?

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I'm going to Thomann next week and wanna try these amps out.

How much do cabs contribute to tone? Or is it more a case of shitty cabs not bringing the full tone of the amp head on?

Also any recommendations on 1x15" or 2x10" cabs? What should I definitely avoid?

>>71400440
Daredevil effects Atomic Cock into a Vox AC

>>71406659
>You won't see any guitarists looking at sheet music in almost any jazz recording or live performance

Not true anymore, the guitarists are reading in almost every jazz show I've been to in the last 5-10 years. People don't really rehearse as bands much these days so they just wing it at the show. Part of the reason I don't gig as much is I can't sight read very well and people rarely want to practice extensively before gigs.

>>71406819
speaker size and overall quality is 95% the tone of a cab

open back and closed back changes sound too, but nothing the actual cab is made out of matters

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>>71402335
You're in Chicago right? How hard was it to get it over here? My bandmates wants a vintage Les Paul without paying the vintage price so I told him to go Japanese

tfw i'm a lazy jobless bastard so no money for guitar and lessons. when will I change...

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>>71406131
Have fun with it, I sure as hell didn't

>>71406985
why not?

What's your favorite finish? My hollowbody's blond and it looks nice but I wish I'd gone for the sunburst instead.

>>71407065
Solid colour satin obv. Only patrician taste

>>71406729
Volume and extra speaker. Get them used anyways it'll run you $600 for a recent Twin/Deluxe/Princeton/Super/Sonic or $850-$1,000 for a vintage one. For around $400-$500 you can get a Deville or Deluxe used or a vintage 60s Bassman head. For $300 or less you can get a super champ or blues jr

>>71406890
Still I find the whole thing to be sloppy, since you'll never have it perfectly down, but that's just a conflict of ideal

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>>71407065
Blonde finish is better, sunburst finishes are so easy to fuck up. I hate the sunburst finish on my guitar, looks like it's Halloween Themed.

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I just got a new toy. I thought these looked stupid in pics online, but I picked one up at GC and feel in love. I am really digging the large radius fretboard, but it kinda cramps my hand after an hour.
I kinda want to get the blue RGD also.

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>>71406819
> 1x12 or 1x15 or 1x10
Perfect for at home practice and recording

> 2x10 or 2x12
Good for constant touring and gigging

>4x10 or 6x10 or 8x10
Perfect for anything and is the optimal bass configuration. Only issue is the size and weight, transporting it will be a bitch

>>71407065
transparent black on swamp ash

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>>71407117
This is what mine would've looked like in sunburst.

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>>71407120
wtf is this

>>71407094
I agree with you, that's why I mostly play free jazz+standards shows these days. Original compositions is what mostly everyone is doing though so if you can't read your gig and collaboration possibilities will be very limited.

>>71407183
input jack hole

>>71407080
Thanks for the response. Do you mind recommending a model if my budget is 800-1000 ( can go higher if it's worth it too).

>>71406659
You should still learn to read music though. Is there any reason not to?

I can think of plenty of reasons to learn it even if you're not going to sight read at shows.. it helps give a clear visual picture of musical concepts and theory, it can help when learning a difficult piece of music that you can't play by ear, it is superior to tab because you can figure out which playing positions suit you better, and you can learn music that is not tabbed out already or even recorded such as obscure fiddle tunes or classical songs etc.

>>71407183
Sweat and grime exhaust for the self-cleaning fretboard.

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>>71407183
Its kinda obvious

>>71407198
>>71407531
>>71407623
pls god just take a picture of this part up close >>71407183
This is killing me

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>tune 2nd string to C
>strum A minor with open C note
>strum open C minor chord
spooky

>>71401528

Whaow nice do you play in a technical death metal band???

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>>71407710
You a weird dude, ya know?

Is there a place to find metal tabs besides UG and songsterr? Those websites lack some tabs that I want to get.

>>71408062
maybe this? i dont know.

brutaltabs.com

>>71408094
Thanks, man, but this one has even less tabs than UG and Songsterr. Looks like I'll have to learn music, after all.

>>71407198
>input jack
>on a guitar

you stupid fucking cuntlick

>>71407120
I want to get one of the 7 string cut through the finish RGDs.

I have my Ibanez tuned BEADF#B with .12s, and am thinking of buying .9s and going to standard. Will I have to adjust my truss rod?

>>71407266
What genre do you play and how loud do you need to be? I'd suggest Victoria amplifiers based out of Chicago, they make 50s and 60s era Fenders with the exact same parts Leo used in the 50s. I'd also suggest 1970s music man Amps if you want cleanliness and volume

>>71408321
Yes.

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>>71408321
>I have my Ibanez tuned BEADF#B with .12s

>>71399549
what kind of music do you play?

>>71407137
Not true in the slightest.

A well-made 1x12" cab is ALL you'll ever need for guitar if you've got a nice tube head. When you record, you're only mic'ing up one speaker. Any live show you play, the house is gonna mic up your cab, so size does NOT matter.

For bass, most of the time you don't even need a cab. Modern bass recording is 99% DI with no head OR cab. As for live shows, it's becoming more common to DI into the PA system as well. I'd say a 1x15 is more than enough for recording and playing shows. Because, again, they'll mic up your cab.

>>71406910
This is also so un-true it hurts. The wood that the cab is made out of ABSOLUTELY affects the sound. Birch cabs sound way different than Pine cabs. The speaker type and quality does matter too, though.

>>71408321
Get a 7 string or a baritone, faggot.
Your intonation is going to sound like liquid ass no matter how much you fuck with the truss rod.

I don't tune any lower than Drop C on a 6. Any lower, I use my 7 or 8 because I'm not a poorfag. Get a job and buy more guitars.

>>71408276
Can't tell if trolling or just retarded

>>71408601
He's not wrong, its an output jack. But also, autism.

>>71406390
get the Jamey Aebersold handbook. It's free. Listen to a lot of jazz. Play a lot, know your scales and chords. Major and minor and 7th, every key. That will get you started. You have to listen to a lot of jazz to get the vocabulary down.

>>71399549

>line 6
>anything other than a meme-brand as previously stated on this thread

Yeah, no. Get a real amp.

>>71408579
>Drop the guitar with the neck that is actually comfortable and buy a meme guitar instead
lmao would you call Karl Sanders wrong for playing Drop-A on a 6-string? Dumb faggot.

>>71408656
literally who

>>71402034
Sure why not
https://clyp.it/ni5ekakt

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>>71404124

>theoryniggers on suicide watch since getting absolutely destroyed in the last thread

o i am laffin

>Go jam with some friends in a garage
>Use some of my very own exclusive (?) tube of Fast fret™ to keep the strings a tad slippery and in good condition
>Friend guitarfag laughs at me and tells me that's just placebo effect and does effectively nothing
>Walk home with my very own exclusive tube of handy Fast fret™ while he goes home with his unprotected, vulnerable and naked guitar strings

Fuck you too Andrew

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My guitars (excluding acoustics)

>>71408803
>total networth of all those guitars is about 20 bucks
Wow nice gear bro

Jk I like the tele

>>71408656
Seriously, fuckin who?

And yes, I'd still call him a dumb fuck for playing in a tuning that negates intonation.
I'd call Lightnin' Hopkins a dumbass if he did that.

>>71408817
rofl that 81 G&L could pay the rent for your shithole for like six months.
>mfw it's not even the best player out of the bunch
>mfw you actually buy into the letters printed on the headstock like they'll make your playing less shit

>>71408656
>implying drop A isn't 'meme the tuning'

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>Go to local store
>They have a heavily used HM-2 for $250

why doesnt Boss just rerelease that pedal?

>>71398165
Intermediate-fag here. Can anyone tell me the main differences between a 600-700 dollar Fender Strat and one that's over a grand?

I don't want to spend a lot of money but I'd obviously like to spend as little as possible while getting a quality instrument, preferably no more than $900.

>>71408904
The electronics. If you buy a MIM Strat for 5-600 and upgrade the pups you are 99% close to a $1000+ MIA strat.

Would it be possible to drop the G string on a 7 string to F# in order to get b standard tuning on the lower 6 strings without fucking up the trem.

>>71402312
Nah mate. I've got a Revstar 420 and its awesome

Has anyone here put together a warmoth neck and body? specifically did you have to shim the neck or do they get the angle right?

Fender
Gibson
Epiphone
Ibanez
Jackson
Schecter
PRS
ESP/LTD
Gretsch

Is there any other guitar brand worth acknowledging?

>>71408904

It's usually the pickups. Getting a plain ole mid range guitar and switching the fucking chinese-tier shitty squier pickups for actual good shit will improve your instrument a lot. It's usually better to get into guitar building and customize your own shit than to buy some 1500$ instrument from fucking guitar center

>>71408675
nailed it

>>71409009
Carvin

>>71399241
You use 12s? You must have very muscular hands ^_^

>>71409009

you left out chinese knockoffs of squiers you can buy at walmart, bruh. My "sonora" play like a motherfucker up until you pug it into anything, then it's horrible. You also left out washburn

>>71409009
>>71409121
oh and Suhr

>>71409121
you're the one carvin loser who posts all the time about how great they are

carvin is shit and the owners are racists

>>71409009
kramer

>>71408344
I play shoegaze so i want it to bevery loud. I'll check out the victoria amps too.

>>71409151
>the owners are racists
>this is a bad thing
just lol

>>71409009
Godin and subsidiaries

>>71409151
literally the first time i've ever posted about them.

also theres nothing wrong with being racist.

Hat the fuck is the difference between Ibanez and Jackson? My friend's dad is an 80s shredder dude and he owns like 3 of each and they all look exactly the fucking same.

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>>71409151
Sounds like I need to buy a Carvin.

>>71409009
H A G S T R O M

>>71409009
Are B.C. Rich still decent? I know they're mostly edgy meme shapes but they're not poorly constructed, or weren't when I played them.
Vigier? Charvel?

>>71409009
Don't forget Chapmans!

>>71409151
how is the owner a racist?

>>71409009
>What is Rickenbacker

>>71409209
Jackson's typically have a darker/warmer tone and Ibanez have a sharper and brighter tone. Beyond that I dunno.They do seem to have very similar body shapes and features. I think Ibanez have a more diverse line of guitars though with Les Paul shapes and their Talman series.

>>71409300
>Jackson's typically have a darker/warmer tone and Ibanez have a sharper and brighter tone

lol imagine actually believing this

>>71409158
Get a 60w 2x12 Fender Deville with an extension speaker cabinet of 4ohms. A lot of the shoegazers in my scene use the Deville. Twin Reverb is a bit of overkill but if you can afford it get that.

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>>71409238
Their higher end models have always been good instruments but they memed themselves into oblivion.

>>71409009
Music Man
G&L

Anyone know someone selling a Modulus? Interested in just about any model other than BassStar. I've checked Craigslist, eBay, Reverb, TalkBass, and more...

>>71409318
I believe it. Not that I play those shit guitars, but I've played with people who do and that seems like a pretty spot on summary of the two brands.

>>71409238
BC Rich is only good for their NJ series and high-end custom work. Literally everything else is garbage since Bernie Rico Jr inherited the company.

>>71409351
>Goes to a board of outcasts that probably has a max 3 people from his 200 mile geographical radius to ask for a ludicriously specific piece of gear to be sold to him rather than just buying one from the company website.

>>71409238
BC Rich decent? When were they ever decent?

>>71409238
70's through the 90's.

>>71404124
>not learning theory in the information age
>in the year of 2030 - 13

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>>71408025
/gg/ hasn't been exposed to much.

>>71409543
um why the heck did you string that backwards

>>71409464
Hey, I don't have $4,500-$5,000 to buy one new. I was just wondering if there were sites that I wasn't aware of that could have on for sale. Like someone's local store that could ship it to me.

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>>71409219
My nigga.
I got mine coming in the mail soon

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>>71408579
This. Plus, the guy just said "Ibanez". Didn't even give a model, bridge type, or scale length. What a fucking pleb.

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>>71409543
Ibeenhads confirmed for toy guitars

>>71409339
Overkill is actually what I'm looking for. I want the best that I can get. I have been playing through a blues jr for a couple years now and it's time for me to upgrade and I just want the best that I can get with about 1k.

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>>71408656
>>71408671
>>71408822
>>71408881
Karl Sanders everybody. Yeah this guys opinion matters lmao

>>71408803
>All these cheap entry level guitars

What's the point? You could've just bought one really good one instead of a bunch of student tier garbage.

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i love my little martin

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>>71409652

>>71409318
So then what's the difference??

>>71409569
Here we go lads.

>>71409270
I am also curious about this especially since Greg Howe plays a signature model made by them

>>71409652
>playing double neck guitar
>playing the 12 string on the upper frets
>through a marshall
>what fucking brand is that guitar?

This image is pure cringe

>>71409398
>two guitars use different pickups
>lol I guess its just the brand name and the tone wood that changes the sound lol

Jesus fucking christ

>>71409811
Carvin doesn't even make guitars anymore, they sold that division to Kiesel. Coincidentally, Carvin/Kiesel guitars started to suck hardcore.

>>71409836
You must be new to guitar culture. Tone is based on magic hearsay.

>>71409819
What's wrong with Marshall? I was thinking about buying one.

>>71406819
what's up with pic? for under 500 look at Hartke LH1000

and no Gallien Krueger MB200? it's a cheap 200 watt option

speaking of 200w bass amps, I'm starting to like the micro VR. fuck it's cheap and it sounds good, just worried about volume. I can always get Ampeg PF-350 as a better gig head but I'm thinking off using the micro VR just as in home shit. looks fun to mess around with. anyone have any experience with Ampeg's micro line?

and don't worry about the cab situation you can always slap a 1x15 with a 2x10 and it's sound good or go with a 4x12 that's usual said to be in-between sound of a 10" and a 15" but if you dig the 15s then a 15" stack is the way to go

I would just relax because with a good mic and mix you won't have to worry because there's other issues with cabs you have to take into account like ported, sealed, the actual speakers, neo cabs and all that shit. if you need one again go with Hartke only if you like the aluminum sound.

>>71409819
You forgot
>massively obese
>ancient egyptian role play necklace
>camo cargo shorts

lol I bet the neckbeard (see: >>71408656) got beat up for wearing his Cannibal Corpse shirts to gym class.

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>>71409819
Do you even KXK bro?

>>71409934
that is so embarrassing

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>This one-of-a-kind guitar was hand-made in the Dean custom shop in Tampa back when Dean Zelinsky was still building USA customs himself. It’s unique because not only is it a rare one-pickup V, but there are also NO KNOBS or knob holes or switches drilled into the beautiful maple top. The pickup is wired directly to the jack leaving the pure unadulterated tone of this incredible guitar to blaze unrestricted and unchained. Combined with the super-skinny neck (Dean Zelinski has really small hands), the direct-wired pickup makes this axe a go-to weapon of choice on all recent Nile albums. It’s responsible for MANY classic Nile tracks.

Is Karl Sanders onto something here? Has anyone else removed or bypassed their knobs?

>>71409819
>>71409652

KARL SANDERS IS A WELL RENOWNED GUITAR GENIUS. HE IS THE CREATOR OF DROP A TUNING STOP QUESTIONING HIM

>he doesn't use criss crossed pickups

>>71409894
>What's wrong with Marshall?

Just depends on the sound you want. Which one were you thinking of buying and what style do you play?

>>71409836
>two guitar brands
>use different pickups
>have a discernable difference of tone

Holy shit, how was I able to figure that out?

New thread for people who know their tunings only
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>>71410041
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>>71409600
UGGHNNNNGG
so jealous, how much was it?

>>71409836
I never implied what cause the difference in tone though, I was just stating what the difference in tone was. And I'm right.

I assume everyone is smart enough to know you can change the sound by replacing the pickups m8

>>71409600
Why would you want this when you could just buy a real les paul?

>>71409622
Then go ahead and get a used Twin Reverb 85w, Quad Reverb, Super Sonic 100w, or go full madman and get a 1970s Music Man at 150w

>>71410277
Thank you for all the recs!

whats the difference between type A amp and A/B amp?

>>71407120
hows that crate powerblock? dylan carlson of earth uses one and it sounded pretty nice when i saw them live.