/bleep/

Tysm s/t ilu

>>71071411
ilu2

lookin for those seerious bad bwoy chunes

>>71071891
Look no further lad
https://youtu.be/1rJDYELRT-I

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>>71071891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBL164gP3o

>>71071914
i eat the weed

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dressing like a mess nah that's not me

s/t was my friend until he threatened to punch spyro

whats bleep even about

February /bleep/ playlist:
https://youtu.be/_rGPG4Kz7so?list=PLfZa8YZZPjH1gktC2tS6tZ-56Ps4thebh

thread theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m53EYwG9f8

>>71072236
mind reciting the preceding line?

>>71072239
anime and friendship

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>>71071337
IS this a /mu/ meme do i have to be a /mu/ regular to understand this meme?

watch out for de bobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpBWedJ_HA

>>71072340
what the fuck are you talking about

any pornhub bleep man in

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph57b39c84735d8

>>71072621
pure pornography desu

fuck them martian boys
no they ain't bout shit
fuck them rude earthboys
no they ain't bout shit

belters rule the cosmos

>>71072236
lol a doom hoody too

belta welwala

>>71072238
>:)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1SDa_Jqmuiw

saw this in a share thread, breddy guud

>>71073194
take that back

ableton or logic lads

>>71073597
fl studio

>>71073597
Reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHQoLREAGvI

swear down lads this kitaro album has my magicka regenerating, some seerious new age v i b e s

>record pattering rain
>add a layer of vinyl crackle
>slow down and pitch shift random pop song off radio
>add metal clicks for percussion (nothing too complicated tho)
>now and then let a whispered sample from a movie pop in and out of the mix

c h u n e

>>71073913
give me a tune where this literally happens

>>71074005
literally any Burial song

lierally

btw everyone going out to clubs is gay
cool new thing is to stay at home and drink by yourself

do pards actually think that dubstep comes from dub reggae

>>71074053
>thinking about dubstep in 2017

>>71073837
Correct answer

I SAID NO
THANK YOU

I MEAN NO THANK YOU PLEASE

https://youtu.be/V1C6mkZOQV8

>>71071337
>when man starts talking to you inna dance

Today in 'ardcore:
G Double E, aka Genaside II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjXItNBwA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hvB-wqTO2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4XuZime19g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmGtunM8kKs

>>71072281
>nme awards 2017

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>>71074892
Ledge

>>71074947
I already saw that one
step up your game, sis/ter

>>71074974
u have to lurk more!!

are there any girls in /bleep/

>>71075104
2d ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYRd0BlLHG4

>tfw just found out house originated in the gay scene

wtf i hate house now

>>71075104
no

/bleep/
>jungle
>cheesy 90s tunes
>chinstroker tunes
>thinks it knows about club tunes

>>71075139
see
>>71075061

:3

>>71075187
Porter Robinson is Good and Owsla is a Good record Label

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>>71074765
i get real chatty on the comeup desu
am i cancer?

wikki style my geeeeee

my 14 y/o neighbour has a bunch of her friends round drinking and smoking in the garden, theyre all laughing and having a good time

its reminding me of when i was happy and had friends.....

>>71075187
jungle is not /bleep/

>>71075447
not funny at all

>>71075139
then leave

where is mc eri is she really back

can we agree this is the peak in deadmau5's career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK1mLIeXwsQ

>>71075434
blast some tunes out the window for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OusQGzWnqUc

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The legend Joe Nice in studio last night

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Tunes for this feel?

>>71075648
MC Asuka

>>71074974
That's my 'ardcore face tho

imagine if s/t was a girl

>>71075868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqYJLtz4_rA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKw1oiLYV8

Faaaaaark yea

any hopeless man in

>>71076067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_piVtyAf0

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what's the emo of bleeps?

whats the bleep essentials

>>71073597
BITWIG.

>>71073638
nah

>>71073837
whatever. thats for rich people.

>>71074039
this

>>71074703
not everyone was smart enough to realize how good dubstep was when it first came out, so now I am playing catch up.

tell me what's better to think about than dubstep???

Yo yes my names called tate

Where do I start with Techno?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfnEEim6PMA

footwork might be a meme but its the kind of meme i like

can someone give me some examples of the NEW and HIP lo-fi jungle drum and bass sound that is coming out this year

>>71076539
Extrawelt, Patricia, Minilogue

>>71075993
omfg

>>71076558
wtf was he thinking with that bass halfway thru

>>71076539
Dub Techno

>>71076539
It all starts in the club.

>>71076674
thingken bout rashad

i want a hug

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4jbKvbO-w

damn !

>>71076765
do one you grass

>>71076765
Fuck off randall

>>71076765
Milhouse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_uggscguzs

hehe :3

where does DJ Koze rank for the experts here. his stuff seems a cut above. do I have good taste?

s/t, i heard you say once that a lie is sweet in the beginning and bitter in the end, and truth is bitter in the beginning, and sweet in the end
i have been meditating, but i don't have the experiences people report from the drug ecstasy.
is the drug like the lie, and meditation the truth? Or am i missing something that could really help me?

>>71077034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PkjfMW3I0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpozO13bAOs

more like Dj Snooze lmao

>>71077199
why do you even still post here

can't remember the last time i saw man get a (You) that was positive and literally everybody hates you lls

starting to think 2016 was the best possible year to completely drop out of society, in terms of music that i "missed out on":

http://www.factmag.com/2016/12/01/the-month-in-house-and-techno-lo-fi-house-2016/

>>71077311
please ignore me, I made this post and I am... sometimes a massive faggot. sorry.

>>71077249

The shitposting itself is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine dubman happy

https://youtu.be/fuLmZvyeD5o
https://youtu.be/_D1ItMtDrbY
other good YT channels I should follow?
ie.
HATE
7296272962
A1A2B1B2

>>71077532
Silverdrizzle is all u need

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>>71077593
happy to see that /bleep/ always delivers the best

>>71077532
Gazzz696
Do Funkk
oldskoolgarage1
Soundboys Vendetta
DEEP UNDERGROUND

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>>71077532
primarily >>71077593

FunnyTummy86
MrChannelOK
British Grime/Garage Music History
BMT140
TheGrimeeeee
RAWFLAVA RECORDS
Bootlegs To Shoot Legs
BAREBONESBEATS
YesItsVetzHD
bruvbludfam
djdt1988

u are now very road. take care of yourself

>>71077693
lol lad this thread is shit

http://youtu.be/dRe-ewfIKLo

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Dance!

DON'T
STOP
ME!!!

i've never been to a club

>>71078030
neither has anybody ITT

we all just pretend

>>71078078
Gross

i wish 2chan had a music board

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>>71077034
Drugs like psychedelics bring you closer to God but I don't think I'll ever do them again. Felt so lowly in comparison, so base.

>>71078049
good to know because im a khv and listen to jungle just for the textures lol

rabit rip when

>>71072256
just wanna let you know i follow all of these, keep em up

>>71078257
agonising ain't it

>>71078137
you believe in God?

>>71077975
>Soundboys Vendetta
>DEEP UNDERGROUND
thx

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any /dip/ man in here

>>71078778
What's /dip/? May the blessing of the Catholic Church be with you

>>71078845
dipping tobacco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vx4Uici4iI

>>71078454
Yes

man i've only just realised how big up ireland is with dance music

the techno, dnb and jungle scenes here in dublin are all doing deadly at the moment and there's so many big up and coming trance producers from here too

fucking deadly lads

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKXz88q9JYk

dam /bleep/ is still just as shit as ever and ADTBG and ST seem to have somehow stayed here and became even more shite. loool, keep cementing ur virginity lads.

later lads, gonna go have sex with my girlfriend and keep staking this bread while i continue my spirtual journey of becoming top dj hahahahhahahhaah bye bitchesssss

>>71078030
I've been to the club, ask away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUQxH-w6sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNckgLWGaFY

>>71079267
i have better taste than you spic

>>71075649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChts8C0xFM

>staking this bread
What did he mean by this?

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>>71077992
not him, but love you m8.

>>71078257
got a yt link?

hey guys if you want to come play/listen to /bleep/ music feel free to join:

https://plug.dj/energy-flash

i have bad taste. I'm not really reading the chat too much. feel free to hop in for some fun

>>71079339
i have more bitches than u.

who winnin

>>71079380
it means im drunk and rich suck my dick bitch

Any acid man in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0X9rlHg1sg

>>71079892
kind of just focusing on meme house at the moment though

>>71079951
do acid first u fucking loser

Simon Reynolds is a hack

acid makes you a narcissist

>>71079987
kind of true but I do like his book

lsd is no joke lads

>>71079892
im on the dancefloor

Autechre is the House of Leaves of music

do you guys hate americans? I want to be friends too. :(

>>71080042
be a DJ

>>71080052
is that a good thing or a bad thing

>>71080086
based on your taste, you decide

>>71080067
>https://plug.dj/energy-flash
s/t is a pard.

I need a life saving pad

>>71080072
i'm actually in real club

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Which one is adtbg

>>71080320
The nigger.

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>>71080320
this one because hes all by himself in the corner

>>71080355
Wew

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>>71080320
prob smells like shit & sardines in there

>>71080355
Lls

>>71075649
this is one of the nicest tunes i've heard in the thread. I love the percussion.
>>71076290
cool robot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgUrySvZM58

Any suggestions on like dirty tokyo rave type music? this is the closest I can get thinking about what I'd like to hear

>>71080832
idk what that is m8 but this is dirty tokyo rave shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Pq7VTuaB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HXdufhL7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGdQapFZOCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXbEGLyYeRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3NAgrKql6c

just came home from seeing S.O.N.S. live dj set ask me anything

>>71071337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbL27xm3ZKk

how do i stop listening to this

>>71081229
how f**d up did u get

>>71081250
not extremely, but I had a very smooth and even mix of various substances

>>71081246
by lurking and listening to better tunes

https://youtu.be/r1sAGU-kQ3Q
That sublime sample lls and it works

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Sup /bleep/, I keep on being told to come here, but seeing how this is /mu/ I sincerely doubt I'd fit in. /bleep/ is probably stuff like Aphex Twin and Venetian Snares, I'd imagine, or maybe even dubstep or even brostep.

I'd also imagine /bleep/ is not glorious eurogay dance music with sick arp riffs like BWO and Gigi D'Agostino. I'd even imagine the likes of Soulwax and Depeche Mode are frowned upon here.

Am I right, or have I finally found my eurogay electronica paradise?

>>71081671
Yikes

s/t,

As leader of the new, you must know that posting anime attracts /mu/ like @71081671

Ffs look what you've done

>>71081671
Never let me down again is a tune

>>71081671
everything I dislike isn't /bleep/ and everything I like is /bleep/

Someone gimme a nice warm lush Ambient techno album that makes you feel good, all this shits just cold and dark

>>71081748
Fucks sake :/
Well its not my fault people asked me for anime pic u can't make everyone happy

>>71081748
I'm hip with tha kidzzz, I listen to Nero's Day at Disneyland, The Avalanches and Shpongle. But I have a scratch /mu/ refuses to scratch because they're too busy listening to emo and shoegaze. Several itches, actually - in fact, I am covered in musical itches that nobody wants to scratch, and /mu/ has consistently ignored my needs for years, saying I should come here.

I didn't even see the animoo, I just Ctrl+F'd the word bleep and clicked it because I had an ounce of hope. It's ok. I'm used to finding one good song by accident a year.

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>>71081748
>xenophobia
*pukes on ur lap*

>>71081671
>>71081890
fuck off

>>71081890
damn i feel bad for u

>>71082081
o m g t h i s i s t h e v a p o r w a v e b o a r d i s n ' t i t ?

>>71082151
ur so clueless omg!!

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>>71082112
I sense retard pity from everyone, but I cannot understand the reason. Does /bleep/ not even listen to electronic music?

>>71082215
Looks like the guy from hellboy
Big up Delroy

dj punisher

s/t dickriders are worse than s/t himself

>>71082393
You can ride my dick too if u want ;)

>>71082215
no, /bleep/ is just autistic and mean like most 4chan communities. just lurk and post anonymously. some yurobeat would be refreshing, there's been too much nigger shit lately.

post opening track of your next podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0KlYlxRl4M

>>71082215
u have poor taste in ""electronica"" !!

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>>71082540
Just cause I love Captain Jack doesn't mean I can't appreciate and also enjoy The Prodigy.

Hell, one of my favorite artists is a J-Electronica composer 90% of /mu/ doesn't know, and the other 10% only know from his film score. I've dug fairly deep into electronica, from Glitch to Binaural Pulse to IDM, but because I'm too busy adding to my Patrishemon collection I have yet to really get into my favorite electronic styles, because all I can find of them I find from the youtube sidebar, which inevitably if not immediately links to unrelated top 40 shit I don't care to listen to and is 90% of the time suffering from unlistenable .wav quality.

>>71082792
See
>>71077975
>>71077992

f*ck anime

>>71082522
aight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXrcBhHW04

>>71082792
kill yourself retard stop posting epic pictures
redditor go back to watmm

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>>71083095
I been on /mu/ for half a decade now, son. If I was interested in Gangnam Style and fucking Ylvis I'd be on reddit, but I'm not so I don't go there.

>>71083215
/bleep/ is your personal blog

>>71082792
>>71083215
this is not the thread for you fuck OFF

just ignore that doofus lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pJIMSUW7oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5P2IEOOtjU
rip

>>71084265
good riddance

>>71083085
nice one anon

best track of the year so far, cody's on fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbEewA25qGg&ab_channel=Slav

>>71084265
love me some cherushii, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIyHHpcNcc

more like cherushit

>>71084736
Cool it senpai her growing career died innadance is that not sad 2u? :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3rlh18G11E

>>71085226
hey

Can I get some Deep House Recs?

Downloaded everything from the essentials, things that I really like are:

Dj Sprinkles - Anything really, pretty much what I'm looking for

Luomo - Vocal City

St. Germain

I really like that American sound but with the low bass lines (maybe dub mixes? Getting the terminology wrong?).

Things I really didn't like,

Mr fingers, Fabric 63, Moodyman (some of it was great, but heaps of crap in there too).

Thanks :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPjaYHIv9Mc

>>71085412

should still be some plastic city torrents floating around download catalog

same with driftwood

>>71085487
stop spoonfeeding

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how's digitizing your vinyl going bleep?

Is this the house general thread? I only want to talk about and find good house music

>>71086086
yes welcome friend :)

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>>71086097
Okay tight! So I want to get into house but I want something longer than 4-5 tracks

Artists I've found thus far that I like are

Ross From Friends
DJ Boring
Boston Bun

>>71086157
DJ YouTube Revenue
DJ Naruto
DJ Screw

>>71086157
i lurrv me sum chill lofi house :3

>>71086194

DJ Soulseek
DJ VK Rips
DJ Beatport Top 10

>>71086194
>I'm mad I actually tried to look all those up

>>71086244

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXTPMw3jRBk

so chill

>>71086267
i gave you good recs

>>71086304
Can you link me to their music I'm having some trouble finding them

>>71085412
>>71086086
>>71086157
>>71086325
for fucks sake

>>71086325
try bing

>>71086273
fresh and low are great, nice one anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rie1GBE5c3E

>>71086325
leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9PCfPXWBFg

lads

>>71085412
>Things I really didn't like,
>Mr fingers, Fabric 63, Moodyman (some of it was great, but heaps of crap in there too).

>>71082112
>>71082081

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>>71086387
>>71086376
Seriously though,

Rec me some stuff that sounds like DJ Boring.

>>71086441
seriously though

FUCK OFF

>>71085412
>liked Sprinkles
>didn't like Moodymann
I recommend you suicide.

>>71086467
bro, back the fuck off

>>71086441
youtubes recommended tab is literally an endless source of memehouse u retard

see >>71086387 and >>71086483 and fuck off

>>71086441
go browse Slav and leave us alone

back to tunes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHU-Ji3rTmw

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>>71086496
How is it memehouse? Not disagreeing with you just curious, cause it's trendy and not "underground?"
>>71086516
She's off tempo btw

Here's me trying to contribute some none memehouse that i know

More stuff that sounds like this would be great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufI9Z6f0Sho

Also this album is great and I would rec it to y'all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAOvZEobgQw

>>71086441

Gert-Jan Bijl

>>71086560
FUCK

OFF

this is not the thread for you

>>71086560
stop posting pls :3

>>71086560
Fuck off already u spanner

>>71086631
>>71086646
>>71086658
Why are y'all so fucking mean, this is the worst general I've even been to curious about a genre god y'all are some pretentious faggots.

All I wanted was some recs which y'all could have easily done and I would be gone. But nope we're here.

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>>71086707
>y'all

YEEEE HAAWW

I don't even care if this is bait anymore

>>71086707
so why are you still here

>>71086707
why is man still posting lls

>>71086762
Because I'm trying to get into house music and I am overwhelmed.

Also I really like Fox Base Alpha, like if you could rec me stuff like that I'd be golden.

>>71086776
do you want me to start bussing shots off

man will leave a stain on the carpet truss......

>>71086776
You were told to fuck off and should fuck off.

tfw no PLUR in dis thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJDpW_tgIU

>>71086788
>>71086805
leave him alone you autistic cunts

>>71086831
t. "him"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkPuM5kgvRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EnpJDMf6KQ

Treeko > Mudkip > Torchic

>>71086788
This is cringer than a person trying to get musical recs. Regardless of how ignorant they were.

>>71086788
t. pard pretending he's from a youth centre in croydon

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>>71086776
>>71086893
Try this:

The "no spoonfeeding" tenet was born as part of a wider reaction to the prevailing /mu/ culture, which has always been heavily dependant on the spoon. By violently rejecting parental indoctrination, /bleep/ was able to differentiate itself as an individual, separate community and so sustain itself despite its small size. Those other communities had no preexisting mass to distance themselves from, and in any case are too large and exposed (to newcomers) for such an insular culture to develop.

Of course, this is just one part of a wider strategy that also includes the weaponisation of localised/deglobalised blemery based on a shared physical space ("Corsica", "Fabric") to strategically ostracise the net-based /mu/ other.

You will not find what you are looking for and should therefore leave.

>>71086948
this 2bh

stop feeding trolls bleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RbxFKflRO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWuDiwr30SI

>>71086380
wow

uguu~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1C6y6HOO8k

>>71087092
:D

goodnight bleep, stop fighting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzB-EI4V5Hc

Any California friendos going to Young Turks in april

new thread?
>>71086877
new thread?
>>71086877
new thread?
>>71086877

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEKysfEpy9s
get down

>>71087660
lol ur pathetic dude

>>71087660
262 replies

>>71087660
see >>71087758

in retrospect october 2016 - jan 2017 was an amazin era for /bleep/

well comfy threads, good camaraderie

bleeps that smell like the pool

is future garage even real lads??

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>>71087660

>>71085487
cheers appreciate it
. Unlike everyone else in the thread, I clearly didn't walk in to the place with all knowing music knowledge like everyone else here.

>>71086483
Maybe it was the album I downloaded, but it was literally ambient with a few noises here and there and some really out dated sounding house. Sorry that my subjective taste doesn't meet your objective standard. What are you doing on 4chan? You should be starting a music university or taking over every music publication. Some people like DJ Sprinkles and not Moodyman, much like some people like Gybe but not DMST.

next dj set: bop n footwork
swear these peasants will learn

>>71088366
take a hint and stop posting.

>>71088378
I'm a different poster to old mate you are all wetting yourselves over. Anyone would think you would be happy that someone recommended me a label so that I may explore their artists.

Take a hint and lighten up. I know it is upsetting when someone comes to a thread about sharing music and asks for someone to share something.

Eat a dick cunt and get mad because i've downloaded a shit load of music tonight from all the contributions to this thread.

>>71088366
>>71088497
The "no spoonfeeding" tenet was born as part of a wider reaction to the prevailing /mu/ culture, which has always been heavily dependant on the spoon. By violently rejecting parental indoctrination, /bleep/ was able to differentiate itself as an individual, separate community and so sustain itself despite its small size. Those other communities had no preexisting mass to distance themselves from, and in any case are too large and exposed (to newcomers) for such an insular culture to develop.
Of course, this is just one part of a wider strategy that also includes the weaponisation of localised/deglobalised blemery based on a shared physical space ("Corsica", "Fabric") to strategically ostracise the net-based /mu/ other.

>>71088616
not this meme agen

>>71088377
go get em

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wut about ricardo villalobos?

Any coldwave man in
You know it burns...
https://youtu.be/i_RWgAWc-5M

buck to the bum to the bum to the bass
*buck bum bum buck bum buck bumble*

>>71078030
>>71078049
how the fuck have you never been to a club

>>71088836
sorta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQDqa3R3X6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ZVZVMIG7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ch6gbI9nk

>>71081466
lol kys autistic bong
go listen to your nigger gobshite jungle grime

>>71089276
>>>/mu/

lmao lads

Saw Roy of the Ravers in Leeds last night. It was supposed to be a live set but he just turned up with his laptop and literally played tunes off windows media player. Didn't even bother to mix, just said "next song" into a mic, ended up getting told to leave by the guy who ran the night about 40 minutes into a 90 minute set.

Spoke to him after when he went for a cig, seemed like a proper smug cunt, it was all some kind of "statement" about something

>>71089092
the bass on that last track reminds me of Peter Hook

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>>71089797
Sad!

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>>71089092
Thank
>>71089907
Is this tru

>>71089979
umm yah, it says Verified right there s/tupid

>>71086877

lol wth

>>71090065
:p don't be silly lad I mean is what man says true

FIVE ARTISTS THAT PROVE SLAV MUSIC IS SHAPING DANCE MUSIC IN 2017

>>71087269
is it time for mexican psy yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTt-wftDduU

>>71090639
fkin heavy fk ya

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any intelligent grime man in? can't find any decent listings for tonight lads. any suggestions?

I'm gonna bleed in the club

It all starts in the club.

>>71076494
minimal

Archipel is a good-ass label.

I ___ ____ __ __ _____

getting warmer

>>71091280
I eat dick to an album

>>71091226
If that's true then how come so many bleep producers don't even club

the new thread is that way >>71091371

>>71081229
helsinki man, big up

>>71086707
Because WE FUCKING HATE EVERYONE GODDAMMIT

>>71081216
nice, the 4th link really made me moist
got any more?

Hey this is dan the ledge man the FBIU/Cia is after me despite the pre3sidents approval they're a roaming gang of thugs that are operating with no oversight what so ever the president must be informed for this is a threat to him as well please god help me 4chan is great you lost the game :(

THey blocked my IP adress so I can't post using a public computer not going to my home because I think it's a set up to kill me. Please make sure this info gets to the president