/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

Does anyone know what makes the Ibanez prestige basses so much more expensive compared to the premiums?
From what I can tell, the differences are quality in woods, electronics, hardware. Though I can't figure out what makes the price jump so much from one to the other.

Micro Dark Terror, or save up for the Dark Terror? I'd go for the Tiny but no effects loop is kinda putting me off. No idea how much I'd even use effects that need the loop when I play distorted though.

Cryogencially freezed frets.

What are Gibson memeing about now? Are they just talking about tempered steel fretwires?

>>69289360
Save for the Dark, if thats the sound you're looking for. Keep an eye on the used market.

>>69288991
there's already a thread dumbass

I'm looking for a max 200€ home practice amp(might use for jamming with some friends). Should i get a Mustang II, Roland Cube 20gx(or 40gx), Boss Katana 50 or Blackstar ID Core 20?

>>69291877
I enjoy my Roland Cube. Would reccomend for home-use

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Anyone ever heard of these amps? Are they good?

>>69291877
laney cub 10
if you can get a 12r, that's better

>>69292760
That's the brand of amp Kirk Hammett first used when recording.

>>69291877

katana 50 for sure. Its a step up sound quality-wise from those last generation modeling amps


Avoid tube amps for home practice-theyre sublime when you turn them up a bit, but universally sound bad at bedroom volume. the tiny 5w ones are the worst at this actually

>>69292760

yeah, theyre solid marshall clones

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I've been looking to buy a Fender Nashville Deluxe Telecaster for a while now but there's just one important detail I can never get a straight answer on, as I can never find one in person.
Does any one know if this particular model has a glossy finish on the fretboard? This is an important detail for me.
If not, does anyone know of any budget telecasters that do have that high gloss finish on the fretboard?

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Post your most important piece of equipment. Pic related

>>69294690
You mean the part everyone unscrews and sticks in a drawer?

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>>69294647
If you can find one of these on the used market, buy it. It's superior to the Nashville Tele in every way.

>>69288991
What kind of bass rig is normal nowadays? Do people just carry a large-ish combo around or a 410 cab + head? Will I look retarded if I bring a 410 cabinet to a rehearsal?
I was thinking about getting a combo amp used to bring for lower volume stuff and for rehearsals and then have the 410 halfstack at a dedicated practice space once that works out.

>>69294784
What is it called?

>>69294932
Just plug a DI into the PA.

>>69294977
Valley Arts Custom Pro (Brent Mason model). Gibson mini-hum in the neck, Duncan Strat stack mid, Duncan tele bridge.
Standard Tele switching, but there's an extra 'volume' knob that controls ONLY the middle pickup. This allows you to blend any amount of middle pickup regardless of where the pickup selector is.
Incredible instrument. Of the 7 electrics I own, this on gets the most usage.

>>69294977
This is essentially what Fender based their Nashville Tele on. Brent Mason is an A-list session player, who brought the 3 pickup tele idea to the scene.

>>69295192
>Just plug a DI into the PA.
Pretty sure there isn't a PA in most practice spaces.

>>69295289
Then how do you hear the vocals when you rehearse?

How heavy/awkward are Rickenbackers?

Asking since I used to own a hollow-body Epiphone Dot that felt pretty clunky to play.

>>69295312
They are heavy but I've never felt they were awkward.

>>69295308
Not him, but through a guitar practice amp. You'd think most musicians would be in charge of owning their own amplification, but that doesn't apply to vocalists apparently

>>69294784
That is such a nice looking guitar

>>69295357
Last time I did that, I was 16. How old are you?

Most actual bands have practice spaces with PAs. I practice in three different locations, all with their own PAs.

>>69295379
23, band for 4 years, just got a new vocalist. We used to rent a room per hour that had equipment in it including a PA, but now we rent an empty room by month since it's much cheaper

>>69294932
But to answer your question, I've seen bands use both larger cabs and head or a combo, the more serious bands have the former.

I would advise choosing one or the other (based on what sound you are looking for and how much $ you want to invest) and just accept you have to haul shit. Install wheels into your cab to make it easier.
>>69295409
Fair enough. If you all chipped in like $50 you could get a cheapo PA head and speakers from a pawn shop. It's fine for rehearsal, then you collectively own it.

>>69295373
Thanks! Found one used, as they were pricy when they first came out. Unfortunately they're out of production now, so used is the only way to aquire one; which may cause the price to rise as well.
The finest quality instrument I own.

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>>69292760
The Living End's Chris Cheney uses a Modern Classic 100. I guess they're built by Angus Young's tech.

>>69294114
Do you know how the Katana and the Marshall code compares?

Good used poorfag options for a basic practice amp? What about guitars? Used Epiphone Les Paul Special II, Jackson Dinky, and Ibanez of some sort are what I'm looking at mostly. I used to play lefty but I left my Epiphone Les Paul Standard back home1500 miles away five years and am pretty sure it's been sold by now. Figure I'd get back into it right handed this time.

>>69295329
Ahh okay. Just that they look awkward due to a large body but thin fretbroad.

If only my local guitar store wasn't shit and actually stocked quality guitars such as Ricks to trial.

>>69295897
well, full disclosure, the fretboards are a bit big. But I have long fingers, so no problem.

should i get an AC15 even if i'm only playing in my bedroom 100% of the time

>>69296304
Yeah they sound fantastic.

Maybe someday you'll get out of the bedroom, and you'll have a great amp for a band.

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>>69294647
My '69 reissue Thinline Tele has a glossy fretboard but its quite a bit away from the Nashville model.

>>69295638

Yeah, the katana is a mostly-analog Solid state amp based on the tech boss put in their waza amps. It has like 5 clean-crunch amp models that sound pretty good and one high gain model that sounds amazing (the brownsound one). Interaction is done through knobs like a regular tube amp

The code is basically a better version of the line6 spider. Has HUNDREDS of mediocre effects/amp models that are navigated through using either the onboard LED screen or an iphone app.

If youre a 12 year old that cant tell the difference in sound quality and just want a machine to fuck around with endlessly, get the CODE. If you want something more like a regular guitar amp, or something loud enough to jam on, get the Katana

>>69296304

Nope, tube amps and bedroom volume go together like milk and coke.

Get BIAS for your laptop, a focusrite I/O interface, and a decent pair of powered monitor speakers

>>69296603
Great tele and a great chair.

>>69296727
you mean Bias Amp for desktop?

>>69296781

yeah, i meant "bias amp for desktop" to put on your laptop

>>69296727
>Get BIAS for your laptop, a focusrite I/O interface, and a decent pair of powered monitor speakers
Oh did anon say he wanted to sound like shit?

>>69296727
and an 8 string

>>69297008

Are you honestly implying an ac15 will sound better at bedroom volumes?

>>69297404
it'll be fine.

>>69288991
How the fuck do i do barre chords Im pushing down as hard as I can trying it in every possible position and I still get like 3 dead notes.

What is there to do on downtime when your hands hurt way too much to play?!??!?!?

Anybody here use Revalver from peavey? I just ordered my 6505mh and got it for free. I don't really wanna spend money on an interface and cables if it is shit.

>>69297558
Keep practicing. You'll get it in like a month.
>>69297566
Take ibuprofen then research musicians you want to emulate.

>>69297404

I have an AC15 and live in an apartment. It's although it surely does sound better at 12 o'clock it's perfectly fine at 9 o'clock on the master volume.

>>69297566
pick up a cheap nylon guitar. it won't create the calluses you want like a steel string or electric but it's a relatively painless way to develop your finger muscles.

Pretty stupid question considering I have been playing for 8 years but here goes:

When you do runs across multiple strings is your hand just supposed to rotate around your palms pivot point, or are you supposed to keep the pick perpendicular and go in a diagonal motion.

I have been doing the first way for years but I lose volume as I reach the higher strings and the pick angle goes to like a 45 degree angle.

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>tfw your neck is still bowing forward despite the truss rod being fully tightened

Wtf am I supposed to do.

>>69297826
see a luthier

>>69297826
get a new neck

>>69297826
go to a repairer/luthier
could be a simple fix, but you don't want to fuck yourself

>>69297754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_fqkNglmGA
>4:57

Also keep the pick diagonal. A perpendicular pick contributes to sloppiness

>>69297886
do people really even hurt their index fingers like that? even that goodball malmsteen has his three fingers on the pickguard and he lives off speed wankery.

>>69294932
I use an ampeg combo amp when I play smaller shows. It's 150w watts and gets the job done. I bought a preamp pedal to plug into the PA systems at live venues. That way I can shape my tone. I've never actually been to a show where the bassist used a cabinet set up.

>>69298178
>I've never actually been to a show where the bassist used a cabinet set up.
Have fun at your coffee house open mics and high school talent shows

>>69297886

Can't this guy control his muscles properly?

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why is this guy so popular on youtube? he seems incredibly annoying

>>69298404

Looks like carl the cuck.

Hello guitar faggots. I am about to upgrade from absolute plebery in terms of amps.

Tell me if this setup is good for a budget of ~600

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/5890103961.html

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG412ACF

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>>69298404
Isn't this exactly one of those numales you guys are always going on about?

is my 150$ motherboard that good or are interfaces a meme?

>>69298404
The people that used to like Fred and annoying orange grew up

>>69292760
They're supposed to be amazing for Marshall sounds

They're the only amp that Angus Young uses besides his old Marshalls

>>69294029
This doesn't sound right, Wizard amps are somewhat new, only been around in any number since the mid 90s?

>>69296727
I have a AC15, it sounds fine at low volume

Sounds better cranked up a bit but still sounds really good low

The tube amp is bad for bedroom amp meme comes from people wanting tons of gain to play with, most people interested in AC15s set them really clean or just a bit of dirt in them

Tube amps only suffer at low volume when you power amp overdrive and compression to go a long with the pre amp overdrive, pre amp overdrive on its own is what sounds kind of buzzy or thin, the clang and singing sound is from the power amp ODing

>>69298450
I don't think he's a numale really just a straight up annoying corny faggot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBnCcpNuRo&t=1m20s

How do you strum like this? I assume he's using his palm but I can't seem to replicate it at all

>>69298745
begins at 1:20.

>>69292760
I just checked the prices cause I never heard of them....GOT DAMN, if i wanted a full stack I could easily spend 9 grand, that's slightly less than I paid for a house at auction.

>>69298814
4500 for a head...that is kinda nuts but he has a name/brand from AC/DC so there you go

You can get a real 70s Marshall JMP head for around $1000

I bought a 1974 "1987" JMP for $650 off CL about 5 years ago. It was the most glorious sounding amp I ever had. It looked like it had been through out of the back of a truck on the interstate. it made my whole house smell like weed when I turned it on.

What are you gents doing this(or next) weekend music related?
I've got a wedding ceremoney to play for this coming Saturday, feeling confident. Perhaps a little nervous given it's the midwest outside in December, and it's my first one.

This coming wednesday I'm going to practice a bit with a guy who can actually sing and come up with melodies(I am not a clever man, just good at performing), so that's hopeful to become something.

>>69298891
>>69298891
Band is recording an album. Pretty excited.

>>69298745
It's not that different from normal strumming. He's using mostly his thumb and just his index fingernail, but you can easily get that sound with normal strumming. The subtleties come from the dynamics and lefthand muting

>>69298891
nothing. I miss gigging even though it was just a pub circuit

checked out the ads for drummers wanted in my area and it's all middle aged men cover bands. don't know where to find other musicians 2bh

>>69298404
too many normie guitarists out there

Why is subtle delay used so much more often on distorted leads rather than subtle reverb? I prefer reverb

>>69299118
reverb is a subtle delay you tard

>>69298963
Local College/Uni may be a good place.

>>69299242
reverb can be a subtle delay you tard

>>69299118
that's mostly due to the extensive history of double tracking as a form of highlighting leads (instrumental or vocal) in popular music. short subtle delay is the bold text of recorded music

>>69299260
Your mom can be a subtle delay

>>69299242
reverb is not a delay
delay is not reverb

reverb is a reflection of infinite sound waves over time
delay is distinct repetition of a sound, usually in a finite number

>>69299118
what kind of music are you thinking of?

I'd say its more often to have reverb on a signal with no delay than a signal with delay and no reverb

>>69299481
>reverb is not a delay
>delay is not reverb
>reverb is a reflection of infinite sound waves over time
>delay is distinct repetition of a sound, usually in a finite number
Incorrect. reverb is a delay with a very sort delay time, which we perceive as reverb instead of echo

>>69299553
no it isn't.

Delay is a repeat of a recorded sound, reverb is a reflection of the initial sound.

There is no recording and repeat with reverb.

>>69298404
he keeps the guitarists with AD/HD happy with his over expressions >>69298529 proves my point

>>69299587
>reverb is a reflection of the initial sound.
Which is a repeat
>There is no recording and repeat with reverb
Nothing is recorded with an echo either.

>>69299118
Because a subtle delay is far better at masking your lack of skill than a subtle reverb.

>>69297826
Bowing, as in curved? Or the neck is straight but at an upward angle relative to the body?

If first, that's tricky. Could be broken or somehow dislodged truss rod. Maybe warped neck. Probably need new neck.

If second, it maybe just need a shim or a little bit of routing at the connection between neck and body. This is much easier to fix and shouldn't cost too much to have done.

Reverb and Delay are different technically.

Reverb is indistinct blended repetitions of sound occuring 30 milliseconds apart after the initial sound is made.

Echo or Delay is distinct repetitions of a sound more than 30 milliseconds after the sound is made

>>69294784
Sick guitar! Is that some sort of Telecaster??

>>69299977
As I said, Reverb and Echo are both types of Delays, which differ depending on delay time.

>>69299118
Delay doesn't muddy up the mix as much as reverb.

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I'm modifying my Ibanhad from FR to hardtail. I'm going to attach a pic related on it. Convince me to not to use a wooden archtop bridge.

>>69300177
Why do you want to give up fine intonation control? If it's a matter of tone, you can make modifications to conventional electric hardtail bridge saddles to have alternative materials making the contact with the strings.

>>69300177
just block the FR so it cant move with wood or something, it will look a lot better than whatever abomination you decide to change it to

>>69300177
how do you intend to fill the fuckhuge cavity that the floyd rose will leave when removed?

>>69300177
regardless of look and intonation issues, it probably won't work as the neck angle is not set fit for that kind of bridge

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Coming from:

>>69299331

Would you a:

Orange Crush 20RT
https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Crush-20-Watt-Reverb-Bundle/dp/B00UQKLEBI/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1480189676&sr=1-1&keywords=orange+crush+20rt

Monoprice 611815 15Watt
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-611815-Amplifier-Celestion-Speaker/dp/B016JDJE9E/ref=sr_1_22?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1480190170&sr=1-22&refinements=p_36%3A5000-19900

Marshall MG15CFX
https://www.amazon.com/Marshall-MG15CFX-15-Watt-Guitar-Combo/dp/B005ODB4QW/ref=sr_1_19?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1480196184&sr=1-19&refinements=p_36%3A5000-19900

I'm stuck between these three in this price range and I can't find anything better. Also, I'm currently using a Peavy Vyper 15watt for practice. What are you using anons?

>>69300424
stick with what you got

>>69297886
>7 string

opinion discarded

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>>69300424
thats hardly an upgrade. if you want something better youll need more money.

>>69300464
This, lateral moves are a waste of money. You might get something that sounds different, but it probably won't sound better to you. I think vipers sound alright compared to other practice amps I've played.

>>69300424
A 10W epi and a LP 100
I'm going to be stuck with those for a very long time since i'm going to start college next year

>>69300464
>>69300519
>>69300604
Well I want to spend $200 on something that will make a difference. It's all I have to spend and it will be my last time to buy something for a while, which sounds stupid but work with me here.

>>69300714
>something that will make a difference

You're not going to get that with anything you posted but if you want to blow your money go ahead.

>>69300464
>>69300519
>>69300604
>>69300737
What if I'm not him and am looking at similar amps in a similar price range and I don't currently have one?

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>>69300819
we know its you faggot

>>69300737
Honestly, I think you are exaggerating if you are saying there won't be a difference between the amps. I've looked through different videos of these amps and they have different sound qualities.

>>69300841
It's not, I swear. I'm the lefty from the other night that left his guitar in NY and moved halfway across the country five years ago. I'm starting over from scratch with little cash.

>>69300841
He's not me, look at time stamps.

What if I were to replace the coils on my Mexican Stratocaster? Are there good ones around the $200 range that would make a bigger difference than a $200 amp?

>try to record myself playing guitar
>mess up so I start over
>keep messing up and keep starting over
>arms and hand in excruciating pain, sweating like crazy
>this goes on for an hour

What do I do fellas? I just want to record myself but I can't I was wondering the other day how many musicians have the same problem and take drugs to cope with it.

>>69301087
hands*

>>69300846
Different=/=better
You also have to take into account player, guitar, amp settings, recording techniques and quality when watching a video of an amp. The greatest amp in the world may not sound as good as the worst amp in the world if it's being handled by a tard.

If you're dead set on getting a new amp you'll have a lot more buying power in the used market, go try some out and don't rely on the Internet to make your choice. The Marshall sucks, the orange is just OK but it's not going to give you the sound you expect from an orange, never even heard of a monoprice. I don't know if I would trust a cheap no name tube amp that's only available on the internet, all that thing needs is cheap capacitors or a low quality transformer to open you to the wonderful world of expensive tube amp maintenance. I wouldn't recommend a tube amp ever to someone that can't afford it. Expect to pay $50 a year on tubes. When I was gigging all the time I spent $350 a year between 3 amps just for tubes. That doesn't include my blues Jr that sees studio and practice use frequently.

>>69301109
Are the tubes really that much to maintain? jesus.

>>69301087
>for an hour
practice more fag

>>69301087
It's just a matter of getting used to something new, start acting like a man and persevere.

>>69301087
red light syndrome is common, particularly for rhythm musicians who have to lay down their parts flawlessly with no context to play to.

also even some of the best guitarists in the world have their takes digitally altered.

>>69301188
Not if you're using them at bedroom levels.

What acoustic strings should I get /gg/?

>>69301087
Set the click track at a really slow speed (e.g. 50bpm). Keep practicing until you can play it flawlessly, then increase the speed by 5bpm. Repeat that until you get it up to the correct speed.

>>69294719
Noobie here, why should you unscrew it? Does it make the guitar sound better?

>>69301237
11s like a real man

>>69300309
>what is woodworking

>>69301087
Don't immediately start over when you mess up while recording. Just keep playing, at least until the end of the section you're doing. Then listen to it and record again and repeat until you get something you like. If you're consistently getting a certain part wrong then you know you should give it special attention before you try to record it again.
Starting over will get you stressed and anxious and leads to more mistakes, which leads to more stress and anxiety and on and on. Not to mention knowing how to camouflage mistakes is an useful skill to develop.

>>69301289
>real man
>11s
hahahaahahahahah
get 13s son

>>69301188
They can be. There's probably 1 or 2 preamp tubes and 2 power amplifier tubes. My slx has 4 each.

$12.50 each for mediocre tubes, decent tubes are like $20 a pop. A lot of them are made in the same factories and are rebranded. Some have different specs, some have better quality control. You don't need to replace them every year, depends on your playing and if your bias is correct. Some of those cheap tube amps don't have adjustable bias, and if it's naturally hot you'll run through tubes quicker. That's another cost if you want to fix it and can't solder.

But yeah, they can be money sinks. My slx is 100 watts, a new quality transformer is $300 approx. For that monoprice it'll still be around $100, and you'll probably have to settle for something with similar specs to what was in there, assuming you can get the specs.

>>69301334
I wasn't saying it was impossible, just that I was curious as to how you planned to do it. There's more than one way to approach that problem, especially since the cavity is asymmetrical. Personally, I'd probably carve and glue in a separate front block and a back block.

I just ordered a 2x12 cab to replace my 1x8 that I have played through for years. What should I expect?

>>69301723
moar tones and volumes.

Seriously though you'll definitely like the difference. 8" speakers have that sort of small boxy sound that a couple 12's will not. The low end especially will be a lot more thumpy.

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If you guys don't mind me shilling, our local pedal maker here in Tijuana, Mexico is having a 15% off sale on all their stuff until monday, if you're looking for boutique-quality pedals at a sensible price.

Noel Gallagher recently added one of their reverbs to his studio pedalboard, and pic related is mine in my pedalboard.

Use the code "BIENBARA" at checkout (no quotes) www.paradoxeffects.com

>>69298633
Not what from I've read, I think on equipboard it said something about it, but I might be wrong

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can I expect an increase in quality going from an Epiphone Les Paul to a MIM Telecaster?

>metal

>>69301522
That's what I was gonna do. I think I'm going to make it stand out of the on purpose (the guitar is dyed brown, gonna dye the bridge part black) because it'll save me money and it'll look better with less effort.

>>69302246
>thinking wood would make great and sturdy hardware, frets or wires.

If tone woods are a meme why do you people buy such expensive guitars?

>>69302441
because people pay a lot of money for rare memes

>>69302002
Manufacturing standard for sure.

Polar opposites in terms of tone though, why not a strat?

>>69302462
Yeah, obviously the two guitars can't directly be compared. I just meant manufacturing standard.

>why not a strat?
This might be a stupid answer, but I played my friend's Strat and his Tele, and I liked the Tele more.

I'm gonna buy some new strings on monday and i keep hearing Elixir strings will fuck up my frets at long term, is it true or am i getting meme'd?

>>69302588
Leonard Cohen

>>69302518
That's not stupid, that's what you're supposed to do, find what you like. If his strat was a crappy strat then you should expect all strats to feel that way

>>69302518
Nah I get it, teles handle nicely. Owned a 60s reissue for nearly a decade.

Depends what you play I guess. The "thinness" can be frustrating if you're trying to play much beyond sharp rhythm or bluesy type lead without a big fuck off amp.

>>69302441
Craftsmanship. You buy made in US in part because that should, usually, sometimes, ensure good qualities components all through the guitar that were assembled with some attention to detail and care.

>>69302679
they were both Japanese with upgraded pickups. So crappy or not, it was a direct comparison

>>69302722
>Craftsmanship
I mean if you buy a hand built guitar then by all means but don't kid yourself all these companies use automation.

>>69302673
y-yeah?

>>69302750
True but the standard of quality control before it heads out the door should ideally be better than something you're going to get from Indonesia or whatever. I know of course that this is not always the case; like the Fender Japan factory putting out arguably nicer stuff off the rack than the US factory was for a period of years.

>>69302588
meh. I mean maybe in 10 years. Redressing frets isn't that big of a job either.

>>69302722
theres no difference in manufacturing process and quality between what goes on in chinese factories or US factories making large production like Fender or Gibson

There is no 'craftsmanship' here, its just line assembly stuff, hundreds of workers that have one small singular job they do all day at lightning fast pace

craftsmanship is when you have a single dude or a couple dudes doing all the steps and scrutinizing every step to make sure its right, not meet a quota for the day

>>69300424
I have the slightly bigger version of the orange i use in my apartment because my twin is just too loud for roomates. Its not bad.

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>>69289131
Marketing, like everything else.
And if there are actual upgrades in electronics/hardware, then yeah, duh that's gonna be more expensive.
>>69290866
They're trying everything to make up for their shit QC.
My favorite new one is all the companies like Martin doing "aged" tops where they just literally bake it in an oven for a while and say it's "vintaged" while people eat that shit up.
>>69294690
Why?
>>69301277
Easier to change strings. It has absolutely nothing to do with sound. It's also an aesthetic choice for some people.
>>69294932
>410 cabinet to a rehearsal
Yeah that's retarded.
I think the ideal setup is what I'm starting to build for myself: Lightweight head, two lightweight neo cabs. Take one cab and the head to practice and small/medium gigs. Take both cabs for larger/outdoor gigs.
>>69295897
>quality
>Rick
Worry.jpg
>>69295860
Line 6 and LTD are cheap, reliable starter options for amps and guitars alike.
>>69296304
Get a low wattage tube amp a la Orange Micro Terror, VHT Special 6, etc.
>>69296727
Misleading and stupid advice.
>>69297566
Listen to more music/players you enjoy for inspiration.
>>69297826
Get a better guitar, or take it to a professional.
>>69298891
Played last night and the night before Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving Eve gig was crazy and way too loud. Last night was chill and surprisingly fun. Four gigs coming up next month, feels good man.
>>69300177
Eww no.

Post boards.

>>69302928
Why would you ever pay for pedals if you can get everything on your pc digitally for free?

>>69303044
Because I actually play music live in bands you LRRG.

>>69303082
Why are pedals so expensive? Seems like most pedals you're LUCKY to get them for $80-120

>>69303410
Hand built pedals cost more because you're paying the wage of whoever built them on top of parts, small run pedals also cost more to produce by volume, also supply and demand have an influence on that. For large scale pedals it's usually

20% parts
30% manufacturing
20% logistics and overhead
10% advertising
20% profit

Give or take. I looked into it before the market got as saturated as it is now.

Some boutique builders that offer higher quality products just charge more because they can, bigger company set the market price at $100 a pedal? Boutique builder offers a clone with better quality control and higher quality parts for $200. Those may not cause a cost increase themselves, but people will pay it for something they think is better. A Chevy will get you across town, but a Cadillac will give you a nicer ride for more money.

>>69296727
>milk and coke
are excellent together, though?

>>69303410
Made up of lots of different parts, like most small non-software based electronics. Hellish manufacturing process.

>>69302588
No, why would they. If anything the coated surface is slightly easier on the frets than raw strings. I've been using them for 15 years with no problems

>>69303410
Depends on the pedal/brand, anon. Cheap overseas shit is just that. Otherwise, you're paying for the labor of a professional handwiring everything and testing it all to ensure satisfaction, as well as high quality enclosures w/ custom graphics and high quality components.

And of course, you pay for branding.
>>69302588
The true meme is buying Elixir strings.

>>69303814
It's actually not that bad but it's not good either

>>69303044
Do you really play through your PC into an amp?

>>69303948
Honestly, I think he was trolling, but I wanted the roast.

>>69303888
>The true meme is buying Elixir strings.
I just considered those for durability since i'm gonna be tight on cash for a good time and i don't want to give up playing because of no money for strings

>>69303998
>buy roundwounds
>wash your hands before playing
>wipe your fretboard when you're done, using string cleaner
>boil strings when they get gunky
Better than paying more money for dental floss wrapped around your strings.

>>69303957
well you were replying to 8 hour old posts

>>69304038
Just trying to help the younguns.

>>69304063
Then why would you be worried about a Rick?

>>69304027
i guess i'll stick with Ernies then, thnx

>>69304114
Spotty QC and overpriced meme instrument. No reason to pay that much for one tone that you can emulate just fine with a J bass.
>>69304121
Eww no. EBs die so quickly.
Get D'Add, SIT, or GHS Boomers.

>>69304147
>overpriced
yes
>meme
one of the most iconic and versatile guitars ever

>>69304147
>Spotty QC and overpriced meme instrument. No reason to pay that much for one tone that you can emulate just fine with a J bass.
wow, this is a terrible opinion.

>>69304147
I'll some D'addarios then since i haven't seen any of the other brands around the stores here.
Thanks again m8

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>>69304201
>versatile

>>69304223
>getting a number of sounds out of one instrument
>not versatile

>>69303948
My set up is guitar -> pc line in -> what ever software im using -> pc out to headphones or speaker

Since my actual amp died a couple of months ago ive been playing around with effect software

>>69304223
all but the very heaviest genres of music have utilised rickenbackers at some point

>>69304241
There is only one sound you get out of a Rickenbacker: Rickenbacker sound. Flats will help, but it really has one distinguishable sound.

The J bass is universally more applicable than a Rick.
>>69304280
But stoner doom guys use them all the time you knob.

>>69304267
Wow the drums must completely overpower you
>>69304280
Lemy from Motorhead and Cliff Burton from metallica used em as well
>>69304292
How long have you been playing a rick? i can get many sounds from mine. Maybe you just don't know how to use them.

2 of you are talking about the rick guitar, the other is talking about the rick bass. You're all too dense to figure that out

>>69304323
wrong.

>>69304315
I honestly do enjoy Ricks m8. I just give them a hard time for being overpriced comparatively and for being pretty one-dimensional. If you can show me some songs with Ricks that don't make me immediately go, "Oh, it's a Rick," then please, go right ahead.

>>69304420
Does Pulling Teeth and Paperback Writer have the same bass sound to you?

vapor trail or carbon copy?

>>69304466
Any heavily effected bass is going to sound like a bunch of effects m8. That's not a fair argument at all.

>>69304420
If we're talking guitars Peter Buck, Paul Weller and Johnny Marr almost exclusively used them. All with distinctly different tones.

you guys use that string swing wall mount before? is it sturdy?

or should i go ahead and cough up the extra $10 for a hercules mount, considering this is one of those things you only buy once or twice

>>69304534
I sell them. I don't know how sturdy they are, but they should be fine if you install them properly (into a stud.)

Hercules is good stuff though. I use them myself. I just enjoy the locking yoke. I'd say they're overpriced though.

>>69304520
Fair enough. How about The Beatles Piggies vs Paperback Writer?.

You didn't answer my question. How long have you been playing your Rick? There's literally two pickups with two distinct sounds. I have the 4003S with the Rick-o-sound option making it an extra unique sound if you want the thin Mike Mills sound

>>69304558
i know what studs and stud finders are of course, but just in case i get into an inconvenient place at some point in my life, do you feel that the drywall anchors would be sufficient?

also, what do you use personally in your house?

unrelated, but i am going to buy an earth model acoustic this week, am rather happy to move up from a pos

>>69294719
>>69301277
I did it cause I saw Mick Mars do it

>>69298404
He's a faggot who probably has a body pillow

>>69304588
>Cortfag
>owning a Rick
M8.

I've played Ricks though plenty of times. They've been in my store and I've played them at other stores because "omg Rick". I do enjoy them. I just think the J-bass sound does a better job at versatility than a Rick does.

As for the songs, seems like pretty standard Rick flatwound play to me. Both sound pretty similar, but the bass is much harder to hear in Piggies.
>>69304654
I'd invest in better drywall anchors than what comes packaged, but anchored properly, they'll be fine.
I use the Hercules locking yoke wall stands, like I said.
Also nice, Cort acoustics are an incredible value, like everything else they sell.

>>69304772
>these two very distinct bass sound sound the same to me
Wow you must be great at your craft I really want to visit your store

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What do you guys think of the Godin Multiac Nylon duet and Godin guitars? I was thinking about getting one, none of the shops in my area have one to try out.

Alright guys. I'm looking to buy my first Les Paul but there's so fucking many to choose from. $1,500 is my limit and I was trying to choose between a 50s Tribute, a 2017 Tribute T and a 2017 Studio T. Any recommendations on what's better?

The 2017 Tribute T is a lot cheaper, but looks like it might be for good reason.

Also, just out of curiosity, how would the most expensive of Epiphones compare to the lowest end Gibsons? Just as far as Les Pauls go

>>69304759
Hey, how dare you. As a side sleeper a Daki is a gift from god.

meanwhile in best Korea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc

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newfag here

how do semi hollows work? like how and why does added vibration influence sound when the strings are played directly over pick ups anyway?

>>69304821
Like I said, I couldn't hear the bass very well in Piggies. It didn't sound any different. I'm also DJing right now so not particularly paying close attention. I have better things to do than argue online about bass tones.
>>69304829
They're nice, but seem a bit gimmicky and pricey to an outsider.
>>69304839
Buy a Les Paul not made by Gibson.
Never buy an Epiphone.

>>69304902
The strings vibrate the top, which in turn produces different tones. It's much less noticeable in a semi hollow than it is in acoustic guitars, but there is a difference. Solid top is where tops really don't matter, since there is no vibrating.

Also, the hollowed body makes for some different feedback options.

>>69304910
>I have better things to do than argue online about bass tones.
You are literally on 4chan doing exactly that right now. You don't.

Why would you ask me to give you examples if you weren't going to bother listening?

>>69304839
Tokai, Edwards, Burny, Orville, the list goes on...

>>69304839
>how would the most expensive of Epiphones compare to the lowest end Gibsons?

They're expensive shit. They will look nice with the glossy finish and all that but they won't sound as good as even a cheap Gibson and they'll fall apart much faster.

As for your choices I would suggest spending as much of your budget as you can, so go with the Studio T, the 2016 models weren't bad from what I saw. Not sure what is different in the 2017 version.

>>69304902
They are generally manufactures with a little man inside. every time you strum a guitar string, it is connected to a pulley with a pendulum and a blade swinging inside the guitar and attempts to cut the little man in half. He jumps to dodge the swinging pendulum, and when he lands it causes vibration inside the guitar. The vibrations are then amplified and turned into sound.

>>69304829
Apparently those sliders are not the most sturdy. I've seen some videos with it and it sounds fine, but seems a bit expensive.

Looks weird with no soundhole.

>>69305018
Mine must be defective because I'm looking inside and don't see him anywhere.
Is it possible for him to escape? What should I do?

>>69305329
It probably died of starvation you need to buy another one

>>69305329
Oh shit, yeah.

Unfortunately if you flip your guitar upside down, your little man might escape through the Timmy Holes of your guitar. What you need to do is go to Guitar Center and buy Timmyseed so you can grow another little man.

>tfw you realize your guitar is more valuable than your car

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I heard some niggas was talking shit about Rickenbacker basses

(no I don't own this, wish I did)

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>>69305568
same, but it really shouldn't be. My car is a fucking tank. It's like the car equivalent of a telecaster, basic but extremely reliable.

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>>69305827
Oh no but he played one once in "his" store! he must know better

>>69304839
You could probably buy a standard/classic/traditional in that price range. No use in going for the stripped down models imo. Buying used will always get you the best bang for your buck in Gibsons

https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=gibson%20les%20paul&price_min=1000&price_max=1500&page=2

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Thoughts on this guy? His YT channel is growing pretty fast and he's a good teacher.

>>69306176
I think i've seen his videos. Seems like a Christian rock douchebag

>>69306193
I don't think so. He went to Berkeley for music and plays a few genres.

>>69306176
i have no idea who that is

>>69306228
>He went to Berkeley
I have no clue who that is and after reading that sentence no desire of finding out.

>>69306418
haha he plays mostly Vai and Petrucci style stuff. In one of his videos he says Berkely put him $400,000 in debt.

>>69306418
>posts on a music board
>doesn't know what Berkeley is

>>69305568

Yep i know this feel. It isn't my bass equipment though. Music stuff I'm deal hunter and penny pincher and sometimes DIYer. The hobby that blows my car out of the water is photography. And because I hate money I happened to choose one of the most expensive types of photography as well (animals and wildlife).

But it needs to be said to qualify all this that my car is total garbage. 2003 Toyota Echo which is quickly becoming a rust bucket. I will drive it until it dies/needs an expensive repair and then scrap it.

>>69306478
>he plays mostly Vai and Petrucci style stuff. In one of his videos he says Berkely put him $400,000 in debt.

Thanks I'm going to make sure I never watch his videos.

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should i get this? i don't have much experience with guitars and such. i just need something to practice with

>>69306478
>>69306501
Ah damn, found the video. It was $240,000 not $400,000. Still tho, shit ton of money

>>69306526
Check reverb and ebay for used acoustics. You'll likely be able to find something nicer for not too much more money.

>>69306526
In my experience cheap electro-acoustics sound shit. Better off with a standard Fender acoustic.

>>69306526
If that's all you can afford, sure, but I'd recommend spending a bit more on an acoustic. The really cheap ones tend to be really really shitty. Plus, there's no point in having an acoustic/electric unless you're playing gigs, which I'm assuming you won't be.

>>69306490
>he doesn't know that Berklee is the impressive music school

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Forgetting preferences/hypothetically, if you HAD to use at least one of each of the following pedals, what order do you put them in? Use [ ] for the effects loop, if necessary.

wah
volume
tuner
compressor
overdrive/boost
distortion/fuzz
eq
octave
tremolo
reverb
delay
flanger
phaser
loop
noise gate

>>69306490
>you

>hurry /mu/! I need help! What guitar should I buy for my first electric. Soemthing below 400$USD. I was thinking of squire Stratocaster vintage modified.

who you owning

>>69288991
>buying a new bass
>trying to sell my last 4 stringer
I'm not sure if that is a bad idea. I just want uniformity between my basses in terms of feel and playability. So they'll all be 5 string, 35'', 18-19mm string spacing with a fairly flat fingerboard radius.

>>69306736
tuner
volume
octave
EQ
compressor
overdrive
fuzz
wah
*order irrelevant in parentheses*
( Tremolo,flanger,phaser)
delay
reverb
loop

Having that many pedals is just wankery though. I could only see that setup being useful in a studio

>>69306736
tuner
eq
octave
distortion/fuzz
overdrive/boost
tremolo
flanger
phaser
delay
noise gate
compressor
reverb
volume
wah

>>69305568
>tfw no car

>tfw car

>>69306228
Berkeley school for MéMés

>>69306976
It's just an all-inclusive, informal poll. See what kind of parallels show up, see how different people's prefs are.

>>69288991
Markbass S450, made in Italy, used. Any opinions on this amp? The mid control seems SUPER nice. Used transistor amps shouldn't be an issue, right?

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>>69288991
gonna jack up a MIM strat soon and have it as a main, what do you think? either this or one in olympic white/cream.

>>69308048
MIMs are fine. some /gg/s will try to meme you otherwise but don't listen to them

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>>69308077
this

I know I will get a lot of stupid replies for this, but here it goes. I was having problems with my MiM Strat and I the sound wasn't impressive. I ended up buying (here we go) an Epiphone Les Paul Special ii for a different sound. It sounded good and it felt awesome.

After close to one year I get my Strat out from storage and tune it. Holy fuck I was dumb. The strat has so much better sound and it feels better too.

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>tfw you started getting back into playing guitar and your callouses have built back up

Always was the worst part about stopping and then starting months later.

>>69308256
I never understood how people get callouses from playing

>>69308457
wtf. if you don't have callouses on your finger tips you must have some crazy genes my nigga

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>>69308457

>>69308457
Then you're not playing enough

>>69308524
I played for over 4 hours today and I average at least 2 hours every day

>>69308480
I would take pictures but I don't want to expose myself to identity theft

>>69294647
The finish on the Deluxe Nashville Tele neck is not high gloss. When I say high gloss my reference point would be something like the Fender Classic Series reissues that have a thick poly finish on the neck. The finish on the Deluxe is more similar to the semi-satin finish of the Fender MIM Standard series.

>>69306826
Are you buying new or used? With a budget of $400 USD you could choose from a variety of used Made in Mexico Fender Strat models that would be of superior quality to a Squier.

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>Fake David Gilmour strat from China has just been shipped.

In about a week or so I will have it in my hands. Then we will all see what this $150 plus free shipping from China got me.

>>69308616
what string gauge m9

>>69308731
I can already tell you, it might look OK but its gonna play like complete shit.

>>69308731
lol that;s going to be total shit m8. Should have bought and modded a black squier if you wanted a gilmour strat

>>69308759
>>69308839
I'm expecting it to be shit, but I'm curious to see just how shit.

>>69308755
9-42 with high action

>>69306736
>tuner
>octave
>compressor
>wah
>phaser
>overdrive/boost
>distortion/fuzz
>noise gate
>eq
>tremolo
>flanger
>volume
>delay
>reverb
>loop

I've never had success putting the overdrive/boost after fuzz/distortion. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.

>>69309054
>>69306976
Why put the comp after the octaver?

>>69308673
Really? Where would I go to buy these stats? Thanks for responding btw

>>69309252
reverb.com, ebay.com, yourcity.craigslist.org are good places to start

>>69309232
Better tracking for the octave pedal.

>>69309232
Because you have to think of the octave pedal as the original sound source, putting the compressor after it will allow you to treat it as you would the normal guitar signal, it will be more crisp sounding before hitting everything else.

It's not a huge difference though.. You could make it work either way.

>>69309316
>>69309370
Alright, thanks. I'll try that out.

>>69301335
This is entirely right. I was on adderal once and i played and recorded for 6hrs straight. the more i played the worse it seemed to get. get a backing beat and listen through 1 earbud

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>>69308863
Calling your bluff

>>69306736
tuner
volume
compressor
eq
loop
octave
tremolo
phaser
flanger
overdrive
fuzz
wah
noise gate
[
delay
reverb
]

>>69310484
>>69309054
>>69307056
>>69306976
>tuner #1
tune by ear you plebs

>>69310526
he literally said we were required to use a tuner. Might as well put it first for a one-button no-pop mute switch.

>>69310526
Tuning by ear is extremely difficult on stage.

And if you're a bassist forget about it.

whats the maximum amount of money that i should be spending on a mim strat?

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This guys tried to differentiate between 4 different stratocaster guitars, ranging from around 300 pounds to around 3,000 pounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP_Ks2_m5sI

If it's too long to watch:
1. They could spot the cheapest one correctly (the squire), but they said it was fairly close to the more expensive guitars in it's sound.

2. The three other guitars, they said are very close in quality.... the three other guitars were two custom-made extremely expensive fenders and a regular japanese made fender.

>>69310990
To be fair they did not include a regular non-Japanese strat in this comparison though.

Maybe a regular strat is also pretty close to the high-end customs

>>69310806
depends on which models dude.

>>69310990
Nothing new here. With high-end guitars you pay for attention to detail, craftsmanship, the name, etc. Electric guitars are I credibly simple, of course you can make very good ones for very little money.

>>69310990
craftmanship goes a long way. strats are a bit unfair to use in an experiment like this, with more refinely designed guitars like hollow bodies the difference would be obvious

but yeah, if you're not a professional musician or vintage collector spending 3 grand on a guitar is silly

>>69310990
fuck off, sandnigger.

>>69311793
>>>/pol/

>>69311833
dont bring your cancer back here.

>>69310428
My fingers are as fleshy as ever and i only use fender light strings

>>69298404
Dumb teenagers thinking the word "DJENT" is the height of fuckin' comedy.

>>69310526
>Tuning through the PA live
Yeah, way to look professional dickhead. Although I believe every guitarist should be able to do it.

>>69306736
Tuner
Volume (I use this in the loop but it works super well at the front)
OD
Distortion/Fuzz
Noise Gate
Comp
Wah
[
Octave
Tremolo
Flanger
Phaser
EQ (This could go front hey, really depends how you'd use it)
Delay
Reverb
Loop
]

Trem/Flang and Phas can be switched around desu, I can't stand Flanger or Phaser so I'd personally just use the Tremolo.

Hey guys, does this look like bullshit or is it legit?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/seaford-meadows/guitars-amps/fender-accoustic-guitar-with-case-and-stand/1128501500

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>>69311971
I only bring here either:

1. Meaningful discussion

2. Pleasant and friendly fun posting that is not spammy

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>>69312255

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>>69312513

>hi. crazyaga here
>the internets busiest music nerd

goddamn, this gets me every time

>>69296304

AC15 owner here - they are excellent amps if that is the sound you are looking for. Great clean tones, and you can push them with an overdrive pedal for dirty tones at low volume.

I live in a flat and it is perfectly manageable, and gigs easily. Look at the AC10 as well - they are killer amps.

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>>69308256
>tfw you gnaw your callouses away because you're a filthy masochist
>tfw doing a whole tone bend

>>69308256
I don't get most people's obsession with calluses. Mine come and go all the time because I'm an undisciplined cunt and I barely notice it when playing.

>>69313560
traditionalism, much like 90% of guitar talk/techniques/gear

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>>69305827
>>69305933
Can I join in on this rickenbacker jerk off club or is it only for basses?


I reckon the guitars a versatile

I've played doom to jazz on this thing

>>69313991
>I've played doom to jazz on this thing
I do the same on my cheap piece of shit
only in my bedroom tho but as long as you can turn knobs any guitar is versatile

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I am looking to buy a guitar, I am a complete beginner, would like to play my favorite tracks, solo only, mostly shoegaze and soft rock. I'm cool with buying it off of ebay or second-handed if it's a reasonable thing. Acoustic or electric, whichever is best suited for what I'm up to. Kinda on a low budget, 100-150 max.
Can someone recommend me something?

>>69306491
Ha, I'm getting into animals and wildlife photography too. Bought my first telelens but there's fuckall to shoot now because the weather is shit. Guitar gear's worth more than my car, too.

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Is this the most perfect guitar shape or what?

>>69314186
http://www.guitarcenter.com/ESP/M10-Electric-Guitar-Satin-Black-1405003131954.gc?source=4TP6LQBL&mscr=2063447_205512
Soft rock approved

>>69297754
Alright I don't really like this guy but he does a pretty good job explaining some picking nuances here, I think:

https://youtu.be/-rQvxP8c7hw

Why do people think Eric Johnson is a good guitar player? He only plays pentatonics

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>>69314502

>>69314029
>only in my bedroom tho
Well then you sound like a real expert!

>>69313991
I'm jealous, but goddamn move it away from your radiator.

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Hey GG! what's your favorite guitar player?

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Are PRS meme guitars?

What's a good way to transport 1x12 combos around? I heard handtrucks are pretty popular but a lot of the handtrucks I've seen have very narrow platforms and that scares the shit out of me thinking the amp might fall over at a slight bump or something. Is there a trolley that can fit a standard 1 by 12 combo with barriers on all 4 sides too rather than just on the bottom? Thanks

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>>69315040
Use a Tie-down strap around the front, each end of the rope hooked onto the back of the trolley.

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>>69315559

Anyone ever play a Sterling Music Man? Someone has one on craigslist for 250 near me and i was wondering if it's worth checking out.

>>69315570
>Sterling Music Man

the guitar or the bass?

i have the bass and its one of my favorite instruments