/classical/

Aww man I was waiting for the next /classical/ to ask what the essential/most relevant works of Schönberg were

>>69277188
do a bit of research yourself retard

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>>69277188

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VxHGpzJBo

>>69277211
>hello and welcome to /classical/, where instead of discussing classical music we tell you to go do a bit of research yourself, retard
/classical/ is one of the better generals on this board. Let's try to keep it that way.

>>69277188
Depends on if you prefer sucking cock or having your ass pounded.

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Essential Lassus recordings?

>>69277175
Why don't you listen to all his symphonies

>>69277244
spoonfeeding clueless idiots is not music discussion

>>69277244
>/classical/ is one of the better generals on this board
lmao

every thread is mozart(shit)posting and complaining about >m-muh modernism X(

>>69277275
Ah excellent, I see you are another fellow who is too enlightened by his own superior taste to entertain the whims of the clueless sheeple. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

>>69277308
nice meme

Why exactly did the kikes decide to irreparably ruin music?

How come they hate beauty?

>>69277347
>muh beauty
go jerk off to landscape paintings philistine

>>69277248
>Why don't you listen to all his symphonies
Because I'm sure he did worthwhile music beside symphonies, and would like to hear it as well. Listening to every one of his symphonies before anything else sounds a bit boring, don't you think?

>>69277281
>on this board

>>69277281
but mozart really is the greatest and most modernism does suck

Why is baroque music so boring? Arr sound same. Muh counterpoint. Muh cadences. Are there any actual creative pieces or something that sounds unique?

>>69277385
>>69277211

>>69277368
>deluding yourself into thinking this academic wank is in any way substantial and not just pure ephemera
I wallowed in the quagmire of post-tonal music for so many years, it made me depressed and it made me hate music, I even quit playing and composing.

Thank Christ I was saved and can now open my ears and heart again.

>>69277410
>>69277442
>>69277445
>/classical/ is one of the better generals on this board

Proč jsou dopíči jediní relevatní čeští hudebníci skladatelé vážné hudby?

>>69277175
>>69277188
Listen to their string quartets.

>>69277518
Ok, post something you think could stand up to Mozart and we will try our best to shitpost about them instead.

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>>69277175

onte of the greatest recordings of all time, imo
flac available @ thepiratebay

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Post your favorite Stravinsky piece. Now.

>>69277806
I don't really like Stravinsky that much desu

what are your favourite Debussy recordings?

>>69277806
I've only heard his memeshows, Firebird and Rite of Spring. wasn't a particular fan of either

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Mozart Oboe Concerto > Your favorite piece of music

>>69278312
But my favorite music is KV. 453.

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>>69277940

>>69277806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxJMDXopAbk

Everyone should put on a trip so we can start the old banter wars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBHhN9vniDc
I like this, fight me.

>>69279161
k

>>69279210
u r gai

>>69277940
My favorite is Michelangeli's recording of Children's Corner.
Others I listen to frequently are Hamelin's 2nd book of preludes and a collection of orchestral recordings by Jean Martinon.

What do you guys think of Weber?

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>>69277244
>/classical/ is one of the better generals on this board
[citation needed]

>>69279412
>thinking about Weber at any time for any reason

Why would anyone do such a thing?

>>69279412

once you get what he is doing he becomes as catchy as any 20-21th century pop song

>>69279412
i like the konzertstück

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B18QDmkwTfw

Uneducated listener here.
Why is tonal academic music dead?
Isn't jazz a good enough example to prove that there is still something to be accomplished in the tonal system out there?

Why have we discarded it?

>>69279646
>Why is tonal academic music dead?
Because it's shit and boring. It's been a thing for centuries, let that shit die.

>>69279646
It's not dead because it doesn't exist. It's dead because minimalism exists.

>>69277175
String quartet no. 14

>>69279646
>tonal academic music
you mean ersatz neo-romantic music? because that's all it is.

Un-educated peasant here.
Why hath chorale mono-phonic music ceased to be?
Is not newe plain-chant a goode enough example to prove that there still yieldes something to be accomplished in the mono-phonic system abound?

Why hath the world discarded it?

what's the best database for classical recordings? rym is pretty shitty i.e. poorly organized.

>>69279881
my ass

>Because it's shit and boring. It's been a thing for centuries, let that shit die.

We've seen it for centuries applied to like 5 styles. Nowadays the only tonal music that is considered good is baroque, classical, romantic and jazz. Just 4 styles, wich follow strict conventions.

Why aren't they just creating new comples ut still accesible styles? Why are they leaving that job to uneducated guitarists?

>>69279907
sent ;)

>>69279919
newer atonal music is accessible so your point is moot

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4uZvhjQNi0

Is Zelenka the GOAT baroque composer?

>>69279919
>strict conventions
>baroque, classical, romantic. jazz
>any of these as homogeneous "styles"

>>69277175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lIB7jFSGA&list=LLV1FMcdmOEPVhOybhgcgIIQ&index=6

Just thought I might post some Milton Babbitt.

>>69280114
Is Boccherini the GOAT classical composer?

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who is your fave?

>>69277806
Les Noce

>>69280599
mozzart

>>69280599
bog is best

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>>69280666
satantrips

>>69279646
Jazz is pretty atonal.

Why does nobody talk about Dussek?

>>69280599
bog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPzGl-b51c

Who won?

which composer is/was physically the strongest

>>69281323

Brahms was both massive and 6''0 in the 19th century.
He could have probably beat the shit out of any pre-1900 composer.

>>69281323
Probably Rachmaninoff. Was huge (6'6). Worked out a lot. Had giant hands with which to grab you with.

>>69281412
he also composed effeminate sissy garbage

>>69281412

>Worked out a lot

Any source on this? He looks extremely skinny in all his pictures.

>>69281230
Petzold

>>69280114
One of them. why are the Czechs so good?

>>69282245
Dvořák, Janáček, the list goes on...

>>69277188
5 pieces for orchestra, verklärte nacht, a survivor from warsaw.

>>69279412
based as fuck

>>69279646
>Why is tonal academic music dead?
its not. academics write tonal music all the time. Many combine tonal with more academic tone-clock and clusters / atonality.
These for example, tonal and academic (based on the tone clock theory)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvh4Vho6h5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x904NaSQ06Y

>>69282368
>based on the tone clock theory
What the hell is that, some system to choose tones like the discs of an Enigma machine or some crazy shit like that?

>>69282402
Enjoy learning:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_Clock#Jenny_McLeod_and_Tone-Clock_Theory

>>69282425
Interesting. I have a fairly decent understanding of "normal" music theory - will this help or hinder me learning about this?

>>69281323
mahler was ripped
can't find the shirtless pic tho

>>69282582
Actually it is scientifically impossible for jews to be ripped.

>>69282597
*off

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>>69282635
haha... yes...

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In what other works can I find something similar to the Benedictus movement in this:

https://youtu.be/icNHpzt2JzA?t=19m46s

>>69282809
oh I mean the sanctus movement, the two first minutes of it, sorry

>>69282809
up my ass

you'll find a lot more shit there

i like Debussy, Shostakovich, Satie and Ravel
is my taste a meme

>>69282896
not really, just bad

>>69282896
Yeah.

>>69282916
>>69283057
meme != bad

except for shostakovich

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Can any anon identify the music in this video?

I can't stop listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjnSwZ5XWSE

>>69283478
that's literally what I said you dolt

>>69283651
they're memes
but they're not bad

>>69282809
>>69282846
Get some renaissance vocal music.

>>69283511
>glorifying the Russian revolution. Essentially everyone was hungry and they said "whatever" to whoever could feed them. Also the Tsar made himself commander in chief which was incredibly stupid. Its not really a glorious time in Russia. The trains just bogged down and combined with inflation everyone starved.
Sounds like a custom written-for-tv tune. Not really a /classical/ area of expertise

Tannhäuser: Overture is GOAT tier, don't care what any of you memers say

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Post Gesualdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5XoJqSPok

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>>69284390
>Wagner

>>>/out/

>>69284481
please stop linking troglodytes to one of the best boards on the site.

If you could go back in time and show a composer a piece written after they died, who would it be and what piece would you show them?

>>69284481
have you noticed most people who dont like wagner insist on posting pictures of roastie whores with their non argument against his work
really makes you think

>>69284568
That's a man.

>>69284568
>most people who dont like wagner

most sane people don't like Wagner

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>Mozart

>>69284981
Underrated post.

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>>69284951
>most sane people don't like Wagner
Well, duh. Listening to Wagner requires a higher-degree of intelligence, hence why "sane" people (who have much lower IQ scores on average) don't listen to it.

Insane people (who have much higher IQ scores on average) are more attracted to it, though, since it appeals to the higher level of thinking.

>>69285067
>>69284981
Samefag.

kys philistine.

>>69285073
>Samefag
try again nerd

About to smoke a big fat joint. Gimme something to listen to that will blow my mind. Lately I like Stravinsky, Rachmaninov, and Beethoven- something similar to those maybe

>>69285209
>degenerate drug smoker
>philistine
>has bad taste and low musical IQ
Why am I not surprised.

>>69285070
>Listening to Wagner requires a higher-degree of intelligence

Wagner is the most middlebrow composer which is why normans such as yourself love him

>>69285209
dark side of moon - pink floyds

>>69285245
Normalfag is the correct term, normalfag.

>>69285268
wrong again norman

>>69277564
>tfw ti devět z deseti lidí řekne, že poslouchají Linkiny, Kryštofa nebo Ektora
Celej tenhle vypíčenej národ je nahovno.

>>69279646
>>69277175
And now we can begin to grasp the nature of the trade-off between craftsmanship and immersion, which works in the following way: every technological advance incorporated into the arts transforms them in various more or less subtle ways, on the one hand rendering the current standard of artworks easier to produce, and on the other making possible the creation of higher, more complex and consequently more engaging artworks. But at the same time as the amount of technology injected into an artwork increases, so does the percentage of craftsmanship of the overall work due to a single person diminishes. This explains why, at the same time as we accord the individual modern artist LESS respect than to the classical one, we nevertheless enjoy modern artworks MORE than classical ones — because enjoyment of an artwork is proportional to immersion, whilst respect for the artist who made it depends on the percentage of craftsmanship of the completed work for which he is responsible.

>>69285330
Halusky na brindza, dobre chut!

>>69285353
stop spouting your half-baked headcanon bullshit and go read a book

>>69285245
(not true, by the way)

>>69285413
t. middlebrow

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>>69285445

>>69285399
Here is where you went wrong
>#1 you call a normal post format "spouting" to dismiss it easier
>#2 you label anything more than a tl;dr to be merely "half-baked headcanon bullshit" to allow yourself to stay in a bubble
>#3 you try to claim a vague authority for yourself by associating with books, a physical format text distribution

Maybe next reply we'll have someone that's wrong but at least articulate.

>>69285513
Here is where you went wrong
>And

>>69277940
>not a fan of rite of spring
w-what

i'm a big baby who thinks the planets is the height of contemporary classical music, are there any other symphonies/composers other than ralph vaughan williams (no4) that I might like

>>69285652
You have to be at least 18 years old to post on this website.
>>69285705
You are hopeless, give up.

>teacher assigns themes from the planets to my strings class
>I'm the only person that wants to do it
>everyone is too intimidated by the odd meter and we never even play it once
It hurts

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>During his time in Italy, he converted from Lutheranism to Catholicism

Fucking dropped. What a shameful display.

>>69285736
did you know if you say amadeus 3x in the mirror he appears and sucks you off for having superior taste

you must know that already

>>69285652
The firebird is better
I like both though

>>69285209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4j70KU-RQ

>>69285789
The only truly patrician Bach.

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so which one of these two is the better composer?

>>69285889
Schubert by far.
>>69285841
You know, I actually quite like Xenakis, he's alright for a moderncuck. Kind of like Messiaen.

>>69285889
bert

>>69285902
Messiaen is hit or miss for me, but some of his pieces are among my all-time favourites

>>69285889
the one on the left because I don't recognize him

>>69285931
That's shoeman

>>69285889
Schumann has the better chamber works and symphonies in my honest opinion.

>>69285931
N E W

>>69285902
CLT is that you?

>>69285966
It is possible to have good taste without being CLT you know...

>>69286049
>CLT
>good taste
>Schubert

pick one

>>69286049
>Rachmaninov
>Beethoven
>CLT

>>69286085
Schubert was better than Memehoven, Memehoven was a tasteless unrestrained child.
>>69286104
What?

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>>69286185
>Schubert was better than the guy he stole his ideas from

fascinating

>>69286185

>tfw not even Schubert himself thought that he was better than Beethoven

Damn, you're so full of shit

>>69286185

>Memehoven

More like ''me-me-me-thooo *pause* ve-ve-ve-eeeen''

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>>69286381
image
>>69286356
Of course not, he was a humble human bean with taste and restraint.
>>69286226
proofs?

>>69286381
have you considered killing yourself

Is Jonas Kaufmann a good tenor or am I just too much of a noob not to tell he's overrated?

>>69286480
>good tenor
no such thing

>>69285245
Middlebrow is actually higher to highbrow because it connects to the subject in society and draws him towards the community, rather pander than the isolated snob.

>>69286509
lol

>>69286381

actually funny

>>69286509
Fuck off you bourgeoisie cuck

>>69286480
he's decent

Can somebody point me to some good Zelenka interpretations?

>>69286720
here are a few:
meatspin.fr

>>69277275
>clueless idiot
>asking for c-list atonal composer


Okay then

>>69285413
Getting through Act II of Walkurie without falling asleep, or getting though Act I of Gotterdamerung without having to pee, requires the discipline only a patrician has.

>>69277806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EY50xnoyOA

>>69279210
One Poly is enough

>>69285889
Schubert's top 5. Praised to the heavens by literally every subsequent great composer and only improved (tremendously) with age.

Schumann's a hit or miss generally. His peaks (symphonies, piano solo works, quintet, quartet) are extraordinary, but pale before schubert's. His last works (to be fair composed after his mental breakdown) are absolute horseshit.

>>69285902
>implying you've heard anything else by Xenakis

He is usually objectively horrible. Even Cage and Carter had their moments

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>>69286907
>Schubert's top 5. Praised to the heavens by literally every subsequent great composer and only improved (tremendously) with age.

>>69286941
Want some sources?

>>69286910
Actually I think pretty much everything except for his very earliest works and forays into electronics have a lot of great moments.

"Kottos" is one that stands out just from the top of my head.

>>69286954
>Want some horseshit?

No.

>>69286907
>his peaks (symphonies, piano solo works, quintet, quartet)
>not his song cycles

>>69287012
Ok. You can put your mahler back on.

>>69287047
Mahler loved Schubert though

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>preludes
Wack
>images
Wack
>Suite Bergamasque
Wack
>debussy arabesque
Better than sex

>>69287200
>suite bergamasque
>wack
>not pure earcandy

>>69287200
>preludes
>Wack
reported

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Fugues > all

>>69277175
isn't this the guy who made an alternative keyboard arrangement

>>69287047
mahler is good though

>>69286720
this is really nice:
https://www.amazon.com/Zelenka-Trio-Sonatas-Klaus-Stoll/dp/B00000K2KR

>>69287301
Mozart/Beethoven truly would have been the greatest typists of our time

Mavis Beacon ain't SHIT

Hello /classical/. Where should I turn to if I can't stop listening to Gorecki's second symphony? I'm digging just chaotic, atonal (this is probably the wrong word, correct me if so) thing. I obviously know Schoenberg and I got Ligeti playing right now as he's the closest I can find.

Stuff that is dark and unorthodox (avant garde?) I guess.

>>69287430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFFPyU41_0&t=2s

>>69286962
>Xenakis electronics
>not great
better than stockhausen tbqhf

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I was stupid for thinking baroque begun and ended with bog. I think I might even like this better than anything I've heard from him. Help me repent, /classical/

>>69287476
Not quite what I am looking for but I can dig it.

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what's a good intro to musique concrete?

>>69287558
Iannis Xenakis - Persepolis
Arne Nordheim - Electric

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>>69287558
stick your head in a bucket of concrete and leave it there

>>69287558
listen to luc ferrari, pierre schaeffer and bernard parmegiani's complete works collections desu
i'm serious. you could even just pick one and start there

FURTHER

>>69287619
>>69287578
don't listen to these asshats

>>69287743
>don't listen to schaeffer and parmegiani

retard

>>69287923
pleb

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What the FUCK is his problem?

>>69287941
if you're not going to give suggestions then shut the fuck up you massive faggot.

>hey I need an introduction to classical music, what should I listen to?
>"not mozart, haydn, or beethoven, those are for plebs??!! xD"

>>69287967
He walked 200 hundred miles to see Buxtehude's ugly ass daughter then had to walk back home.

>>69287547
>I was stupid for thinking baroque begun with bog
a bit of an understatement.

>Help me repent, /classical/
repent for what? finally moving on from being an entry-level pleb?

>>69287274
>>69287243
No hate but compared to arabesque 1

>>69287995
if you're not going to give good suggestions then shut the fuck up you massive faggot. no one wants your shitty suggestions, and if we're being strict, muzak shitcrete has very little to do with the classical tradition. fuck off.

>>69288326
lmao pathetic. kill yourself

>>69288624
Not an argument.

>>69285789
Have fun burning in hell, heretic.

>>69288637
this is my favourite autistic meme reply

>>69288862
nice buzzword salad but you forgot "cuck", cuck

>>69288890
Not an argument.

>>69289011
this is my favourite autistic meme reply

>>69277940
If you don't like the rite of spring you do not deserve happiness in life

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>>69289102