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first for rose

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>>68359276
Babe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmv7KvEe6sY

>>68359276
What a nice doll

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>>68359276
Talking about Rose, just listening to pic related.
Surprised she still sounds like Strawberry Switchblade, I thought they would make something totally different.

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Surprised nobody mentioned Cinema Strange on the other thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KML0Fed0vMw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0WqonWe0M

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>Robert Smith calling MM and NIN "goth"
What does this dumb weak-voiced shoegaze nigger know about goth anyway?
His main claim to fame is writing a song about getting a blowjob from Spiderman, he has no authority in this matter.

>>68359325
I actually used to listen to these guys in middleschool, back when I used to find new music on youtube

>>68359848

I saw the vocalist from Cinema Strange live as solo act on a small theatre in my city, the crowd was about 50 people, all old goths.
The guy made us all stand up from our seats and go to the theatre's bathroom because of "appropriate acoustic" and sang a song there while crouching over the lavatory. It was very surreal and memorable.

I wish I could see the band live though. I love their sound.

>>68359900
The Deadfly Ensemble? He was playing at a place near me ages ago, I was about to go but I was too underage anyways

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>>68359944

I think he did play some Deadfly Ensemble songs, but no, it was just him as solo. This was back in 2009.

It wasn't really like a concert, it was more like a cabaret-style show, with many of his songs sang a capella or just with his guitar.

>tfw my parents saw all these obscure belgian joy division rip offs in the 80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWY2cXiOnnE

>>68360046
>all those strings
does it djent?

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1. you lock the target
2. you bait the line
3. you slowly spread the net
3. you catch the man

>>68360203
sell him to other men at ten times his price at least

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Sopor Aeternus is probably one of my favorite artists ever.
I try to not listen to it too often though. It actually scares me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TjHIBwp6c

Though some stuff is pretty funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNbE8aEo1o

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>>68360238
To make us rich and famous

Does Those Poor Bastards count?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=F3HD-OFy0lg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=326WpN3wMUo

If so bands/artists similar to them?

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>>68359287
>>68359276

>>68360355
dunno if the count but check out
lonesome wyatt and the holy spooks
the pine box boys
sons of perdition
jay munly
the legendary shack shakers

>>68360908
>dunno if the
*they

can someone rec me sum good darkwave albums?

>>68361038
anything by Ice Ages if you like industrial percussions

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All the OP charts are thumbnails except for Post-Punk 2.

Someone link the originals please.

>>68359209

Can I talk about Swans in here, based on what they used to be and not what they are now?

I saw them live last night and whilst I'm glad I did I can't help but think the new stuff doesn't translate to live at all.

30 minute songs were just awkward as hell, especially with a sub-par sound system. I love Swans and wouldn't ever see them play their new stuff again. It's far too personal for 1000 people live

>>68361202
I saw them Friday and I loved it.

>>68361136
Weird. They are full size for me. They're all on the /mu/ wiki.

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do you guys like gothic country?

pic related & How I Loved You are pretty good, I want more

Is Lydia Lunch worth getting into?
(not in that way btw)

>>68361530
I've only listened to the album you've posted and (>>68360355)
Already loving the genre though

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>>68359228
>http://i.imgur.com/KMfgpR4.jpg
Can someone explain to me how The Sisters of Mercy are still labeled as 'dark'? I mean I know how gothic rock changed in the mid-to-late '80s, but, still, I thought here we discussed dark music as in sound, not as in aesthetics?

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>cold weather is officially here

what did you guys listen to while it was warm?

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thoughts?

I'm currently putting together a big ol' mega folder with all the /dark/ essentials. Is this useful at all, or should I just stop now?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI77EpTi3ms

>>68361563
Teenage Jesus and the Jerks is p cool, haven't listened to her solo stuff
>>68362296
>what did you guys listen to while it was warm?
mostly techno and house desu
>>68362716
Would be great!

>>68362716
are the bitrates good?

>>68362781
No idea, it was just shit I pulled from the archive. I just realized tho that I'm missing like half my fucking music library so I can't do it anyways. )':

>>68362529
I love the inclusion of Fra Lippo Lippi, Isolation Ward, Siglo XX and specially of Il Giardino Violetto, but I'd add Trop Tard (France) and De Press (Norway/Poland)

Can i be /dark/ if I'm also an edgy punk?

>>68362853
but that is /dark/

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>>68362835
Thanks, not really space for more french albums though.

Do any of you have more /dark/ charts in addition to OP's?

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GOAT single

>>68363162
EISBAR
EISBAR

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>>68362979
>>68359228
made one for Neue Deutsche Welle (german post-punk) too, not everything on here is dark though

is that new comp on occult whispers any good? kinda want a copy but im a broke bum right now

>>68361136
http://imgur.com/a/fxkfK

>>68362296
P R O P A G A N D A

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IghozXYzDOk

>>68364619
what?

>>68359209
are you fucking serious with this pic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Joke_(1980_album)

>>68364898
no shit

>>68364898
I seriously dont get y u so mad

>>68364898
thats the joke

>>68364813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQVag4_E8nU
i can only assume

haha!
epic dark thread!
epic dark!
haha we aren't maladjusted emotionally stunted manchildren, haha!
coil are good haha
neoclassical darkwave haha
epic dark
dark, haha
epic music every angsty 16 year old ever has heard and grown out of, haha
dark
dark, haha
epic dark

>>68365025
(You)

>>68365025
damn...

>>68365044
meme

>>68365025
>epic music every angsty 16 year old ever has heard and grown out of, haha
wrong thread m8 >>68362366

http://aufnahmeundwiedergabe.bandcamp.com/album/shrines

>>68365195
>maladjusted emotionally stunted manchildren
No, I'm good.

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wait wait wait wait wait wait

how come /dark/ suddenly became so popular
there were no threads for ages and if there was one it was very short lived
and now suddenly we are on our third consecutive thread

wat happen

>>68365380
it's autumn now

>>68365380
/dark/ is pointless when it's warm and sunny

>>68365390
/dark/ is season based?
what do goths listen to for the rest of the year?

>>68365490
>what do goths listen to for the rest of the year?
The same shit really, these folks can't hack it in 100 degree heat. Summer is the true test of goths.

>>68365490
New wave, synthwave, martial industrial

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Who /comfy/ here

>>68366180
Tropic of Cancer are pretty damn comfy

>>68359228

Needs more nephilim

>>68364766
That album is great

Not a weak track on it

>>68366556
Elizium is on there

>>68362296
Industrial.

>>68362853
That depends; dress dark, or have a dark personality? If it's the first question, you'd basically be a Deathrocker. If second, how does being Punk stop you? Punk music is more nihilistic than Industrial, so yeah.

>>68365025
Go back to your emo/moe or Grimes or whatever other far more retarded general you came from.

>>68365917
but there's no need to be goth in the summer because summer is such a happy time
spring too

>>68366890
summer is the most depressing season tbqh

>>68365490
I have a personal calendar.
Spring: Post-Punk, Neo-Psychedelia, Cold Wave, 80s pop, and electronic.
Summer: Traditional Industrial, Electro-Industrial, Harsh Noise, Country, Rockabilly, Rock n' Roll (actual rock n' roll from the 50s, not what some glam rocker calls rock n' roll), Power Electronics, Neofolk, and some other more abstract or very simple shit.
Autumn: Gothic Rock, Deathrock, Gothabilly/Psychobilly, a little Dark Wave, No Wave, and sometimes Cold Wave.
Winter:Dark Wave, Ethereal Wave, once again Cold Wave, New Order, Dark Ambient, Skinny Puppy, "Disintegration," And Also The Trees.

>>68366890
I`m pretty sure it`s actually because wearing layers of black is a good way to fucking die on a hot summer

>>68366890
>Goths have to be sad and gloomy in sad and gloomy weather all the fucking time or they're not goth meme
Real goths don't give a shit what season it is.

desu I don't even wear clothes in the summer

>>68367044
so you're saying real goths have the freedom to be happy during the winter?

>>68365490
>what do goths listen to for the rest of the year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgvMPmkNPB4

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>>68366890
I have seasonal affective disorder in summer DESU
By the way does Dungeon Synth get a pass here?

>>68367011
damn you must be dull

>>68367044
>Real goths don't give a shit what season it is.
Literally Brandon Stosuy.

You're not goth unless it's your general state of being, summer does not change your dour mood.

>>68366690
Didn't see it, my

>>68367085
You saying goths don't have freedom to be happy at anytime? Nigger, we like dark music and clothes, but that doesn't make us the kings and queens of sorrow who follow a doctrine to be sad strictly at certain times; so yeah, they do. I'll be honest though: I fucking hate winter. I'm very susceptible to cold and much prefer summer and fall over bite your ass cold.

>>68367190
It's not about being happy or sad, it's about being aware that life is worthless and made of wasted time. Do with that what you will, to care about such things is rather pointless.

>>68367139
What makes you say that? I just prefer certain sounds at certain temperatures and natural landscapes. IMO, old school Industrial fits in the searing heat of summer, while the gloom of acts like Xymox fit better when it's freezing and and white everywhere.

>>68359209
So, more or less, this is post-Hot Topic general?

Wow. /mu/ really is dead.

How about we all start Vampirefreaks accounts and hit on scene bitches who'll be impressed by our patrician tastes?

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>tfw not sure if she's cute or not

>>68367247
wh
what

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Post monthly 5x5 and recommend one album out of the bunch

I recommend Sopor Aeternus: Les Fleurs du Mal, I wouldn't call it her best album, but it has a great production value, every song is great, with some outright classics like In Der Palästra and The Virgin Queen.

Also Depeche Mode's Playing the Angel is pretty dark compared to their other stuff. Any similar Synthpop album/artist to that one?

>>68367247
>Vampirefreaks
Haven't heard of this site in years, it was always good for a laff.

>>68367244
Who said it was? Maybe the guy I was talking to, but not me. Other than that, you're preaching to the choir.

>>68367261
>tfw you're acting like a waifu fag and need to go back to K-pop general

>>68367247
How about you do that so we can laugh at your self embarassment?

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>>68367339
>he doesn't like dark qts

>>68367365
>He's not talking about music on /mu/

>>68367247
>So, more or less, this is post-Hot Topic general?
yes

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What would you bitter fucks consider Angels of the Light?

What are you bitter fucks listening to presently? I live for 80s foundational dark/post punk shit right now. I just can't get enough of Joy Division and Sisters of Mercy, with some early dream shit and a little new wave too. Seriously... what is it about sparse, chorusy guitars, with or without super square synth? Fucking eats me alive.

Any good suggestions for modern bands with the style of classic 80s dark genre?

>>68367530
linea aspera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1JplpqHkPw
the soft moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Cftwtlho4
lebanon hanover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPw7nlluRdc
the kvb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhvB0B95nc
tropic of cancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8rXJtSohiM

>>68367265
Only Hot Topic alumni christen themselves as "goth". Goth, as music and culture, has been dead for decades. It started strong, got weak kneed, and fizzled out before most of us were born.
Source: I'm a former goth.

>>68367277
It was also an easy source of nudes from troubled 20 something skanks. Feel kinda bad that I got some and flew off in hindsight, bit eh, i was a silly kid. A blow that bad could've made some of those girls off themselves, though.
Whether that's good or not is subjective, though. They were all Ronnie Radke freaks, but I got one into Swans.
Then one threatened to kill me because I didn't like djent. She was the only sorta nonmallgoth I saw there, and she was an orc. A literal orc. She had a basted kid with the singer from Veil of Maya. They really looked alike.

>>68367914
>My subjective experience is objective

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Velvet Eden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhfQh1DGogA

would you guys consider tropic of cancer post punk or something else

>>68368464
They're more Dark Wave with Post-Punk thrown in.

?getting off work only to find out that listening to dark music is seasonal

what defines dark? i listen to a lot of genres of music and the only way they relate to each other is lyrically

>>68368656
i think the main feature is that it all stems from punk/post punk umbrella

all the genres are just mixtures of those and mixtures of mixtures of those

>>68367276
>Any similar Synthpop album/artist to that one?

Probably influenced stuff like De/Vision, Mesh, Wolfsheim, etc.

What films are /dark/ watchin?

>>68369555
the last /dark/ related movie I watched was berberian sound studio which was amazing. its set in a giallo studio and tries to be a thriller with the tension built almost exclusively through sound. it doesn't quite work perfectly but it works well enough to be one of the better movies I've seen this year and the ambition alone is worth a watch.

>>68369555
The VVitch (2015)
Green Room (2015) kind of? I liked it, and it had nazi punks as antagonists
Zero Theorem sort of, although it had kind of goofy visual direction

>>68369555
I watched the crow recently cause it's supposed to be a goth classic and one of the guys from SPK did the soundtrack but that was such a fucking piece of shit. it's just a poorly acted adolescent power fantasy without any engaging characterization. also the soundtrack wasn't anything to write home about.

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We need a list of /dark/ of recommended movies.

Like this

>goth
- The Crow
- Interview With the Vampire
- The Addams Family / Values
- Bram Stoker's Dracula
- Nosferatu
- The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
- etc

>>68359209
How did Killing Joke go from post-punk to gothic rock to industrial metal?

>>68369834
The witch was sweet, one of the better things to come out in the last couple years from what else I've seen. I was iffy on checking out green room, is it really worth my time? I do enjoy a lot of other a24 stuff.

>>68369784
I'll probably check that out. I do enjoy a lot of giallo

>>68369877
Agreed the crow sucks dick. There's nothing good about it

>movies in /mu/
just what the hell is this general

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Does /dark/ like Type O Negative?

>>68369940
Green Room is pretty good if you want to see a thriller with a gang of neo-nazi youth antagonists who stab people and have attack pitbulls, but it's nothing groundbreaking, I liked it

>>68369916
Begotten

>>68369967
We all know my has better taste in movies than anywhere else on this site. Definitely better than the music taste

>>68369976
Have you watched the whole thing?

>>68369916
German expressionism in general

>>68370020
Yes, it's a slog to get through. Very /dark/ nonetheless.

>>68369877
(you)


It was like maybe 5~6/10 though. A little cheesy and cringie at times, going back to it.

>>68369916
Hold up. Nevermind.

This would just devolve into discussion of all things goth in general, instead of just the music.

>>68364813
Propaganda was a goth magazine in the 80s and 90s

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>>68369968
I want to get more into them.

>>68369989
youd assume tv would know more about movies than mu

>>68370037
i always turn it off before the halfway point just cuz i know its not worth the stress that comes with it. only other movie i had to do that with was Julien-Donkey Boy. way too tangible

>>68370256
that would be an incorrect assumption

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Hey guys

>>68370293
how come

>>68370331
asl?

>>68370356
6/m/London

>>68369916
Let the Right One In

Also, literally every Boris Kharloff and Bela Lugosis related film

>>68370369
holy carp i live in london 2 wat a coincideninece

>>68369968
Quintessential /dark/ metal band tbqh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmIZ05TxBSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgE77XyWv2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q88nEF9cbbk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn_hE1MJ0VI

bumping with some /dank/ electronic stuff
nice to see this general become a thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSJ9oy4RKjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8O7Tf2ONeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ_NKc07sjY

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>>68359209
Of all the Type O Negative albums they could put on that chart, they pick what is quite obviously their lightest and poppiest by FAR.

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I think this album is pretty dark in a way..

>>68370388
also every Argento film, bird with the crystal plumage has a chill and dark atmosphere it's def my favorite film by him

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Here's a little gift to you /dark/, from an anon that rarely visits /mu/ now due to the absence of noise threads. Seeing this one go so well kinda left me interested.

Killing Joke - The Singles Collection 1979-2012 (Super Deluxe Edition) [V0] (2012)
>post-punk, industrial rock
https://mega.nz/#!BctnhTTZ!3Sh_QCzu4NYdwZdObfSWFAOMJ8TSGTFam-YLoRU1Xjg

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Just found a sickass post-punk / dub-ish noise rock album from the late 80s, World Domination Enterprises.

Sort of like a cross between Big Black and Public Image? Really nasty guitaring and chunky basslines but also extremely catchy in a fucked up sort of way. There is also a cover of "Funkytown" and an LL Cool J song, so yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isi4FYDFfps


https://mega.nz/#!XY0wHDab!6bYXWfzsY5lDegGVm9rEhDqf7bSFH4MUwwkrfYacCmU

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Hey do any of you want to check out my YouTube channel https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCjURVLeWVssVe043-Ll4BVg
Subscribe if you want it's fine if you don't.

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Holy fucking shit finally a thread that accepts the dark ambient community

Post dark ambient all time favs and go-to selections from them

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGCf5TBUccE

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>>68367247
"Fuck I hate when /mu/ doesn't look the same all the time"

>>68372993
>this video is not available

well crap

got a mirror or something?

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scored a copy of pic related at an unlikely record store a couple weekends ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXu2I2XBJI

>>68373120
Unfortunately not, it worked fine at the time of pasting.

All I got is a spotify link, it's the fifth one.
https://open.spotify.com/album/34riNl5U65jxRzevjdqlI9

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yo i'm looking for some more dark bleeps to get down to.

stuff like Arca, Actress, OPN's non vaporwave stuff, Dean Blunt (more hype williams stuff over solo stuff/babyfather) and things like that.

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>>68373250

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>>68369916
i vote for this

>>68373279
giving a few tracks a listen now and this is definitely up my alley.

got any more recs on where to go from here?

I think Dostoyevsky would have listened to goth music

>>68360142
p cool

>>68373366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePOZDrtXFs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwKsWeNVxY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvby-c1WnI

>>68369916
How has noone said the Hunger? Bauhaus is in the opening scene and it's a spooky vampire movie.
David Bowie costars in it too.

Does anyone have a solid list of good Drone metal and just ambient noise artists. I use to listen to a lot of drone when I was in highschool but I never got the names of any one besides Sunn O))) and Electric Wizard.

dead

Hard rap that these kids from my college made, actually pretty good. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyjHcuYgjaU

>>68369916
Near Dark
Crimson Peak
Only Lovers Left Alive

>>68372993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vchca_G46s4

Why aren't there any bands that sound like The Birthday Party without being shameless rip-offs?
I just want sleazy basslines and a guy shrieking at the top of his lungs

>>68377081
Too much worahip for JD The Cure, and other bigger bands. IMO the revivalist shit needs to stop and we need to progress the music in a new direction because the 80s circle jerk is getting really old.

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>>68359209
Why are some of those pics thumbnails?

need more stuff like rudimentary peni gimme dem reccs

>>68377118
>progress the music
>a new direction

I don't understand people that say this. When music changes, it becomes something else entirely. The problem isn't the music, it's you. What you are saying is you want something else.

Go listen to something else.

>>68377401
I don't understand how you don't get it. Nothing gets anywhere or lives on imitating the same old trick over and over and over again without variation. Everything either evolves, or vanishes. Playing a chorus'd guitar to a rudimentary throbbing bass while tribal percussion is playing and someone is singing in baritone because somebody did it back then will only kill off the movement, not save it.

>>68371016
They should have picked World Coming Down. Shit is so sad even with The Beatles medley.

>>68369916
I remember first hearing about this movie through the goth page in Wikipedia back in 2007. Shit has changed a lot ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_83

>>68377760
Then it's a different thing. What you want is something different.

Some people want to listen to this, and there always will be. It doesn't have to go anywhere.

I liked a certain type of music 10 years ago, I like that same type of music today, and I like new artists that make that same style of music. If it changed, it would be something else, that I won't listen to but others will.

>>68378038
Look, I get you don't want the needle to move because you're afraid of change, but it's not just different. Evolution is the same thing but with new attributes. It's still the same DNA, it's still in the general group, but a new addition. Literature began as oral tradition, but now it's printed in books and online. You can't tell me because people aren't covered in organic matter talking in an extinct language that what we have isn't literature. By that logic, the first human ancestor is the only human and the proceeding beings have no relation. I don't want to listen to something different because what I'm asking for is an update of the same.

>>68378113
>afraid of change
I like what I listen to, if an artist I liked made a change and made music that I didn't like, I'd stop listening to them and listen to what I do like.

>what I'm asking for is an update to the same
What does that even mean?

Like "progress the music" and "new direction". What does that mean? I think this is the key in understanding what it is you are saying you really want.

>>68370130
no, THE BAND

>>68370037
>>68369976
Begotten is Black Metal/Dungeon Synth, but it's also a big inspiration behind Antichrist Superstar

>>68377760
>>68378113
Look, I get you like the idea of evolution because the pop-science TV documentaries you watched as a kid had really cool 3D models and a comfy voiceover, but evolution is neither a necessity nor an inherently good thing.

Traditionalism is an equally valid value.

>>68378208
What isn't there to get? I already explained it. Modern acts parrot and worship the bands of old instead of pushing it forward. Genres evolve. If they don't, they fade away. Hence progress and new direction.

>>68378268
>Implying traditions can't still be included in the evolutionary process
>Implying mirroring my argument gives you a substantial point

>>68378275
But that's bullshit.

All it takes for a genre to stay alive is a band that makes that style, and a base of people that like that style.

If it "evolves" then it's a different genre now, hence, go listen to something else, because you want something else.

>>68378275
>Modern acts parrot and worship the bands of old instead of pushing it forward
Is that supposed to be bad?
>Genres evolve. If they don't, they fade away
I didn't know that, where did you learn this?
>Hence progress and new direction.
You're bringing up two very distinct things.

Earlier you said "the 80s thing is getting old" which is entirely your own opinion, which implies that you care about novelty more than about familiarity.

And now you're telling us that goth NEEDS to "evolve" otherwise it'd go away. Fine, but do we really need it to remain relevant?
Or is it just you wanting some novelty goth that doesn't sound like old goth?

What I'm saying is: progress isn't an absolute imperative, and neither is the survival of the goth scene at all costs.

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Uhhh, look at all these /dark/ charts. Saved them all.
Trying to get more into the noise, dark ambient and Industrial genres, any other suggestions?

>>68378307
I don't really have a substantial point, i'm just showing you that your point isn't substantial.

>>68378323
That means goth after 1985 isn't goth. Do you also believe the earth is flat because a round one wouldn't be earth?

>>68378275
Oh god the "Goth needs to evolve" people are here.

Just when you thought this song couldn't get any darker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVLYnJhhjMg

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>>68378307
Purity is a bigger issue than you think: you can't just add shit to an already existing formula without modifying it.

>>68378357
what kind of industrial?

>>68367245
I don't think you're dull anon. I love you

>>68378374
see
>>68378369
False analogies, abusive comparisons and hyperboles.

yep, they're here

>>68378374
Oh God, the gothic conservatives are here.

>>68378391
Lets see, I know the basic mainstream ones (NIN, MM, Rob/White Zombie, Ministry) and I like those.
Also, I really enjoy Silent Hill's ost, so something like that, I guess? I don't mind branching out tho, rather I prefer if I do.

>>68378423
Silent Hill's OST is mostly shoegazy grungy rock and spooky ambient, can't help you there

as for industrial ROCK (cause that's what you listed) check out Powerman 5000, it's basically white zombie in space.
And also for less flashy stuff: the cassandra complex, KMFDM, Chemlab.

>>68378369
>That means goth after 1985 isn't goth.
What are you implying? If you mean to say the music that Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, etc made is different than the music bands such as Solemn Novena, Adoration, Pretentious Moi?, Plastique Noir, etc make is different, then yes, they are different.

>Do you also believe the earth is flat because a round one wouldn't be earth?

This question is irrelevant, and doesn't even make sense here.

>>68378419
We're the status quo, we don't have to prove the legitimacy of our stand.

>>68378348
How isn't it bad? It's a bunch of people stuck in the past, that's no way to exist. Is it really so bad to incorporate elements of the familliar with new sounds to create another installment of our ongoing existence?

>>68378467
>how isn't it bad
it sounds good to my ears, therefore it's good.
The past makes me happy. Therefore it's good and we should remain stuck in it.

>Is it really so bad to incorporate elements of the familliar with new sounds to create another installment of our ongoing existence?
It's not necessarily bad, it can even be good.
But that wasn't what you were originally arguing for, was it?
You were asking for bands to stop trying to imitate 80s acts, right?
Which is fucking stupid.

>>68378446
But are they really, or an arrangement of more of the same?

>>68377195
http://imgur.com/a/fxkfK

>>68378419
>conservative
That adjective doesn't even fit here.

>you want a genre to change
>when a genre changes, it becomes a new genre, because it isn't the same style anymore
>you want something else, that isn't this initial genre
>literally just go listen to that something else instead

What's not to get?

>>68378485
>it's stupid
Not an argument. Why is my *opinion* and grasp that living in a decade long gone will hold us back and hurt our development so stupid to you?

>>68378467
>stuck in the past
That's nonsense. The fact that a particular style emerged years ago, doesn't matter.

Mostly good:
>let's try some new shit on the side, and also keep doing what we were already doing

Boring but mostly safe:
>let's never experiment

Stupid:
>let's all stop doing what we were doing and do something else instead


And this is true of pretty much all of culture and civilization

>>68378518
>hold us back
From what? What is developing?

>>68378518
It's stupid because it's needlessly risky

>>68378497
But it does.
>We should stick to the 80s because it's familiar and traditional
That right there, is conservatism. Not political conservatism, but the kind that prefers things to remain unchanged.

>>68378518
>hold us back
and simultaneously prevent us from dying in favor of a potentially shitty new trend


fanatical progressivism is at least as dangerous as fanatical conservatism.

>>68378546
Actually it's
>we should stick to the 80s because it sounds good

>>68378490
Thanks for this

>>68378540
In what way? The amount of possibilities of things going wrong can't be serious when so much already has gone wrong. Not to say the scene is bedlam and chaos, but it's been through some bad patches. At worst any failure will be thrown out like the rest of the shit that's been erroneously or regretably tied to us.

>>68378546

>We should stick to the 80s because it's familiar and traditional

I understood the grammatical context you were using the word conservative in.

It has nothing to do with the age, familiarity, or tradition. It's about style.

It's music. When a genre changes, it becomes a new genre. What you want isn't Goth, it's something else. There's nothing wrong with that.

Lemme guess.

This guy wants witch-house to be considered "goth".

>>68378596
I already stated my case about change, if you can't see how basic evolution works then I don't know what to tell you.

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>>68378608
Witch house isn't even Industrial, I'm not talking about making some fringe goth trend tumblr girls can spam, I'm talking about keeping the true sound on the evolutionary path it's always been on, from the proto-groups to those you invented a more refined sound.

>>68378659
*Those who invented

>>68378659
Anon, I think the thing is, you're not defining what you mean by "evolutionary path", and it may be making other anons think you mean something else.

>>68378580
And yet you're acting like classic goth rock and darkwave are failures that should be thrown away in favor of a HYPOTHETICALLY decent new concept.

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVLYnJhhjMg

Brace yourselves for this /dark/. It's a brand new cover of Joy Division's - Love Will Tear Us Apart.

>>68378659
Where do you get the idea that the old sound even had an evolutionary path?

Goth stuff in general is obsessed with the past and half of what's discussed in /dark/ is trying its hardest to sound old (like, reminiscent of the 1920s, XIXth century and middle ages), the only consistent evolutionary path I can see for the classic goth sound is to revert to pre-goth music styles.

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>>68378749
Ho can such a dainty wimpy voice come out of such a big lumberjack of a guy?

>>68378688
Alright, maybe I am being vague. We all know how Goth came from Post-Punk with Joy Division, The Cure, Siouxsie and The Banshees and so on. Then more towards the mid-80s it got more clearly defined and added upon with installments like SOM, Fields of The Nephilim and some sub-genres likeDeathrock, Dark Wave, and Ethereal Wave popped up. Then in the 90s people starting mixing styles and everything fragmented from just goth and that clusterfuck carried over in the 00s. But then we got tired of all the edgelord posers and people who kept slapping shit together so we scrapped it in favor of recreating the original sound. Admittedly a very good undo switch, but what comes next? Are we always going to stay in this retro bubble and sorta die off, or will there be another part of goth that comes about? That's what I'm on about? What next? Is this reexploration going to hold us down? Why revel in the past now that we started over?

>>68378773
>what comes next?
hopefully more of the same.
Can't go wrong with more of the same.

And maybe a handful of extra subgenres that sound good without taking over the main thing.

>Why revel in the past
Because the past is great. How can you care about goth and not realize that?

>>68378725
>>68378814
The past is great, but what about what's ahead? More of the exact same is too easy. It's been done, that stuff's played out.

>>68378773
But Deathrock has been around since the late '70s. See The Flesh Eaters, Kommunity FK, Gun Club, Voodoo Church, Ex-Voto, and obviously the Christian Death related bands, like Super Heroines and Pompeii 99.

>>68378843
>played out
Good music can't be played out.

>>68378843
>it's been done
And should keep being done.

good is better than new

>>68378853
Yeah you're right about that one, I meant to list that more as a contemporary than sub.

>>68378864
Good can't be better if new is also good.

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post your darkfu

>>68378773
Actually I have a few ideas for new subgenres but I won't share them with a novelty-obsessed fanatic like you.

>>68378893
-good and old can be better than good and new (depending on whether you prefer familiarity or novelty)
-you have no way of knowing if new will be even as good as the old
-even if something better comes along there's no real reason to drop the old.

>>68378902
It's probably more jerking to Xymox or DCD anyway, conservative.

>>68378773
>Alright, maybe I am being vague. We all know how Goth came from Post-Punk with Joy Division, The Cure, Siouxsie and The Banshees and so on. Then more towards the mid-80s it got more clearly defined and added upon with installments like SOM, Fields of The Nephilim and some sub-genres likeDeathrock, Dark Wave, and Ethereal Wave popped up. Then in the 90s people starting mixing styles and everything fragmented from just goth and that clusterfuck carried over in the 00s. But then we got tired of all the edgelord posers and people who kept slapping shit together so we scrapped it in favor of recreating the original sound. Admittedly a very good undo switch, but what comes next? Are we always going to stay in this retro bubble and sorta die off, or will there be another part of goth that comes about? That's what I'm on about? What next? Is this reexploration going to hold us down? Why revel in the past now that we started over?


I think the problem is you understanding of the progression of goth. While other people made other music in the 90s, Goth rock was still being made. Posers and non-goth groups disappeared because that's simply their nature.

>what comes next?
Who knows. Sometimes there's only so much you can mix things up before its simply something else. Some genres won't branch out into something "new". The only outcome I see for what you're saying, are bands taking inspiration or borrowing aspects of Goth rock.

>sort of die off
>played out
Goth will not die until there are no Goth bands making music. Just because you haven't listened to anything relatively new, doesn't mean it's a dead genre.

You might just be a person that doesn't like to listen to the same thing all the time, but are fixated on Goth rock.

>>68378895
>tfw you will never be as handsome as Karl McCoy

Guy sounds a little liquored up in interviews.

>>68378923
A fair assessment, but I have listened to Drab Majesty, Soror Dolorosa, Qual, The Harrow, Lebanon Hanover, The KVB, and others, but while they sound good, they all sound like stuff I could pull out from my 80s collection and listen to instead. Where's the fun in that? I'm talking more about Goth Rock though because Dark Wave has more potential to keep evolving, while people still opt for the same exact things for the mysic hat started this shit to begin with.

>>68378976
People opt for the same thing because that's what they like to listen to.

I think I and others were lead to believe you meant a shift in the genre because you used the words "progression" and "evolution" which while valid, also seem to imply a change to the genre itself. A better word would be off-shoot. Goth rock is an offshoot of postpunk, which is an offshoot of punk, and so on. I think this word works, because I feel you are looking for "what comes after" goth rock, not "I want goth to change". What offshoots from Goth? is the real question.

Modern post-punk is techno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyG-pVOZFkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fja6Ng_M6b4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZKFN9jK2uU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lrrMhr-Oqo

>>68379110
Well no, I do want Goth Rock to change, but not unrecognizeably so. I don't want the "heart" of it so to speak to go away, but I'm sure tweaks can be made. Everyone is capable of their own contribution, and that contribution naturslly shapes.

>>68379150
Also fuck this phone.

>>68379150

That would simply be an offshoot then. You can't change a genre so much without it become a new one, even if you can still "hear" the original genre.

You can hear the punk heritage in post-punk, and you can hear the post-punk heritage in goth rock, but they're still definitely not the same, just a progression in a certain direction of the previous.

I would like to hear whatever comes next too. I hope it's good, if it even happens.

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Gotta post them shitty goth maymays so that this general doesn't get bogged down by peoples discussions.

WHO /SittingInTheBackBecauseIDon'tKnowHowToDance/ HERE?

>>68379250
/Don'tKnowHowToDanceButIStillDance/ here

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I love this album so much

>>68379250
>Cybergoth
No fuck them, they're ravers.

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>>68379295
>tfw mixed feelings about cybergoth inclusion in the culture

Anyway, here's a recently stolen meme.

>>68379263
These are most goths. Goths are shitty dancers, but they do it anyway.

>>68379141
This is literally just Halloween music

>>68379141
Modern Post-Punk is Post-Punk Revival.

non entry-level no wave recs?

>>68379662
Don't know what you consider entry level but check out Blurt, Circle X and Ike Yard if you haven't.

>>68364898
I still don't get this reaction

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epic new wave meme

>>68362979
>a compilation to represent Republika
>not Nieustane Tango or Nowe Sytuacje
Also shouldn't it have a row for Russia? At least a Kino album in there somewhere.

>>68379857
Me either

If someone knows, please explain.

>>68379837
thanks anon

Is industrial techno /dark/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG29DxXOmhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80DqcFLI-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoLvfhYuMis

>>68379250
Roots in rivethead and deathrocker culture but lately ive been more of the sulky weirdo who listens to gothic metal and death doom.

its also not hard to dance. fuckin 4chan...

>>68380127
>Is industrial techno /dark/?
It should be desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvMP_A-vVg

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What would you faggots think about goth and industrial wordsearches?

Not like this meme one, actual good ones.

Cause i'm making some.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuezNswtRfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDHidMlViMc

dam...

>>68379250
that guy who's sitting and looking grim

>>68379250
me with red hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB0Bot1tvik
anything similar?

>>68380942
B A T C A V E
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ACHTUNG ACHTUNG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OiNFPINKc

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bumping with /dark/ x /shugazi/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NddQ7ApeKtQ

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post more /dank/ qts lads

>>68381304
>85x125

>>68381304
my pet goth ant said she's cute

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>>68381304

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>cybergoths
When will they ever learn?

>>68360175
that's a 12 ya dingus they're doubled an octave up

What does /dark/ thinks of Neurosis?

>>68381652
>>>/metal/
Great band though. One of the biggest influences in modern metal.

LINK ZWO DREI VIER

LINK ZWO DREI VIER

TANZ, TANZ, TANZ

Who /StraightUpCan'tIndustrialDance/ here?

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>>68381222
>bumping with /dark/ x /shugazi/

I can support this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia09rce3lAs

>>68381669
I was listening to Through Silver In Blood and The Eye Of Every Storm and there's some pretty chilling ambient production.

>>68377081
>Why aren't there any bands that sound like The Birthday Party without being shameless rip-offs?
Because The Birthday Party had musicianship that was beyond that of these Sisters of Mercy and Joy Division knockoffs.

Not every band knows how to do complicated, angular, or abrasive guitar playing, or catchy basslines, or have a charismatic singer who can sound like someone out of a mental ward.

People who do take influence from them just rip them off, and they don't see where they got their own style from, which was from mixing punk and blues and jazz into some chaotic art rock that barely sounds like it is held together but somehow works.

What do you guys think of dark ambient? I love the soundscape-y songs that put you in a weird headspace

>>68381652
2meal4me

>>68381954
Good shit.

Check out Atrium Carcerci and Cryo Chamber
https://www.youtube.com/user/cryochamberlabel

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me desu

>memecenter

DELET

>>68382622
>you're at the club and this guy slaps you and your gf's ass

What do?

>>68382648
It's the best source for ebin Goth memes

>>68382658
the macarena

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DID SOMEBODY SAY GOTH MEMES

>>68381691
I used to be able to do it

but I don't work out anymore

>>68381402
cybergoth is a good concept in theory

it's just that the whole raver angle is shit

>>68381954
Dark Ambient is my no 1 relaxing soundtrack. By the way check out Lustmord's latest. Cryo Chamber also just released a new concept album about Nyarlathotep.

>>68382972
I keep seeing Nyarlathotep on my feed.

How is it?

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xd

>>68383044
Jajajajaja xD

>>68369555
the night of seagulls
cathedral wrote a song about it, but it's too spooky for you goth cowards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtmH9FNwFcA

>>68365025
Damn i hate /dark/ now

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Yo this is your lord and master Xytrex-666, aka Haxtron-XxX, aka DiGiTaL-VaMpIrE aka PanzerKunst99, aka DNAkraft-2000, and this is my industrial dance tutorial.
Today I'm gonna show you some ADVANCED industrial dance moves for special occasions.
Now those aren't moves you can do all the time on any song. Let's say for example your DJ isn't a complete sellout and still plays some Wumpscut or Feindflug every once in a while: this is when those tips will help you.

Okay so first off you remember how most tutorials tell you not to bang your head so that you don't hurt yourself? Well forget that shit cause this isn't what we're about. Also most tutorials tell you to basically make one or two moves per beat and to stay regular the whole time like you bob your shoulders or swing your hips on each beat? This is for basic aggrotech, not appropriate here.

The concept here is to put your Mortal Kombat expertise to good use, so, make a parcimonious use of fully-extended punches; instead, use elbow punches, short, quick punches used in rhythm with the lead rather than with the beat, and instead of standing normally, pick a more aggressive stance and swing your body forward-backwards, that way you can use the momentum to bang your head with the beat. The trick here is to also add a few kicks, but small low kicks, and to also sometimes twist your torso.

That way you've got a much more aggressive dance style which is appropriate for the more martial or older songs. Train a little a home and in no time you'll look like a real spetsnaz ninja from the future.

No need to thank me, just like and subscribe to my channel, also check out my dance crew Future Kommando for more intense industrial dance vids.

>>68365025
ebin buttblast

>>68359209
Any love for Raymond Watts either in PIG or KMFDM
What about Pigface, I'll take Pig Benis as well

>>68383201
Yeah he's underrated as fuck, all of those bands are fantastic. Check out Prick if you haven't, another underrated 90's industrial rock (feat. our homie T-Rez of NIN fame)

remember when /dark/ was good?

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>tfw you will never, EVER, dance as well or intensely as this guy
>especially at 2:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV-LykNW2Pg

>>68383157
>that's actually pretty decent advice

>>68383289
I miss the old /dark/, the yesterday's /dark/

>>68383120
This is literally just Halloween music

>>68383228
Will do, thanks senpai

Nothing is better than When you walk into used CD store expecting nothing
And walk out with PIG and pigface cds for 1 dollar each

Thank god it's obscure

>>68383300
Cybrax > BioSektor

Also CyKid was amazing, it's a shame he deleted half of his vids

new thread
>>68383398
>>68383398
>>68383398

>>68383320
don't pretent like you're not spook'd kiddo

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>>68378895

Always and forever <3