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What a fabulous horse. What do you suppose is in store for her in season 7?

Rarity.

Previous thread >>29802312
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>>29889063
Anyone have a link to that one comic of Rarity being fucked by a car?
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>>29889063
More detective Rarity
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>>29889063
>What do you suppose is in store for her in season 7?

Her and Sweetie Belle are getting an episode, other than that I'm not sure.I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Also, are Rarity threads going to be a regular thing now? I could get behind that.
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>>29889076
Of course. The artist is doing another little comic featuring Rarity, though so far I'm not enjoying it that much.
https://derpibooru.org/1307611
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>>29889076
>Rarity being fucked by a car
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>>29889063
No real progression for Rarity in S7. We will be revisiting Manehattan, and she won't have her own song. Twirity episode never, but we'll have some sisterly bonding. I wouldn't be surprised to see her do something with Glimmer, and at least one episode where she's paired with someone.

>>29889097
We've picked up the slack lately. Still fairly slow, but we're hitting that autosage, second time in a row now. And hopefully now with the show back on we will have even more to talk about.

Reminder that the second Peek Behind the Boutique is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVu_4M2r5NA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOBnL-ym0YY
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>>29888657
>one line that is at most a mistake
Funny thing is the show has it's share of these mistakes. Are they all different continuities?

Meghans line was just to calm the spergs that bitched about EQG, mainly the Flashlight shit.

>tfw a joke has turned into a legitimate discussion

Happy Easter everyone! I was talking to my eleven year old cousins earlier, and apparently public school is utter crap. Aside from them learning far less than I did as a kid, they are unable to do much of anything at recess anymore. They play dodgeball with styrofoam balls, can't play football, not even twohand touch, no baseball, unable to touch people at all (no romance period), can't use your fists or hit a tetherball hard, and the clubhouse is segregated by one gender at a time. Is anyone elses siblings or kids at one of these schools?
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>>29889367
>and the clubhouse is segregated by one gender at a time
Now that's just insane. What kind of school would do that?
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>>29889097
As long as they stay this active, I'll keep making them.

Rarity deserves it, after all.
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>>29889110
For some reason, Night Light's presence in anything sexual feels pointless and random unless it's incestuous or with Twilight Velvet. I guess because he has no real character beyond "Sparkle family dad."

Nevobaster's style is pretty fantastic, though.
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>>29889367
>They play dodgeball with styrofoam balls
I was born in '88, raised in Texas, and that was already true when I was a kid. Don't think I ever played dodgeball with anything harder than that.

>>29889395
I imagine they're worried about kids "experimenting" on the playground. It is that age, after all.
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>>29889556
America's Schools have become so pussified.
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>>29889264
Third time in a row, actually.
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>>29886612
>Not even interesting clothes.
Darling, please. Maybe your clothes aren't interesting, but Rarity could make them so. Rarity would probably be quite inspired by the new challenge. She'd take your measurements and try all kinds of fashions on you, if you let her. I'm not sure how experienced she would be in men's fashion (especially human men), but at the very least she could design something that ponies would like to see you wear.

If a human woman came to Equestria, Rarity might actually lose her mind creating new designs for her.
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>>29889395
A public school it seems. Pretty pathetic when I was making out with my girlfriend at four.
>>29889556
kek. I was born in 92 and we used four square balls for dodgeball. Just make a rule to avoid the face and groin, and everything is fine.
>>29889779
They have indeed. I imagine that the kid exercise programs will fail when they stop kids from doing anything fun.
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>>29889110
What fresh hell is this?
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>>29889110
IT'S THE BEST
IT'S THE BEST
IT'S THE BEST SPORTS CAR
YOU WANT THE BEST
AND YOU DESERVE THE BEST
I couldn't help but laugh through the whole strip while hearing that in my head.
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>>29889367
>tfw a joke has turned into a legitimate discussion
That's the beauty of it.

>murrican schools
Kek. Do you guys really have it like that? All what I remember from being evelen in my school was getting bullied by the strong kids constantly and bullying other kids who were weaker than me now those were the days.
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>>29890668
Everyone is happy to see Rarity, I mean look at her! She's the best! She's number one!
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happy easter
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>>29889063
I have very high hopes for the Rarity and Sweetie Belle episode. But I'd love another episode involving her businesses, maybe one where she's torn between work at all 3 stores, as I'd love to see Sassy interact with Coco.
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>>29891570
I've always hoped there'd be a Twilight+Rarity unicorn bonding episode. Twilight might be an alicorn now but I'd still appreciate an episode about Rarity's magic, horn care, stuff like that.
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>>29889095
Would she like Detective Dick Tracy?

>>29891533
Rape
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>>29891706
NEVER
EVER
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>>29891706
Me too. I thought there could be a great episode where they both have to interact with royalty, and the difference between acting professionally and acting socially in high society.
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>>29891760
This is probably Monochromatic speaking through me, but I think Raritwi is a patrician and natural ship/friendship. Twilight, an educated upper class mare given royal title, who sorely needs help adjusting; Rarity, an upward-climbing socialite with dreams of marrying into royalty, who could help her friend learn the ropes. It's bizarre that they've never had an episode where it's the two of them and nopony else.
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>>29892081
Maybe the writers realize they can't possibly do them justice.
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>>29892081
I feel the same. Not even a shipperfag, somehow their frienship seems so natural to me. There's just so much sublte things to explore here. Even something like them bonding in Canterlot over the city life would be great. Rarity, who wanted to be there for so long and Twilight, who lived there most of her life and is a natural. Just imagining it feels so comfy. Sweet&Elite teased it well but it was still focused on other things. I think a Raritwi episode would've worked better in earlier seasons but there's no reason for it to not work now if they give an interesting spin.
>tfw HWE was an episode with so many Raritwi interactions but it wasn't really them so it's all wasted
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>>29892275
>tfw it's too late for Rarity to give Twilight lessons on manners, empathy, and subtlety
Feels just awful. But we can still have an episode of the two. They have a lot in common now, and if the map ever sends them somewhere, they could tackle any problem with ease.

Rarity and Twilight would be an absolute power team.
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>>29891706
>tfw any chance at more unicorn lore will now only be told through Glimmer
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>>29892444
>too late for just unicorn things
>too late for Rarity helping Twilight with deceptive high society manners
>too late for Twilight to help Rarity adjust to fast paced Canterlot routines
>too late for Twilight's princess anxiety balanced by Rarity's princess envy
>Canterlot Boutique wasn't about Twilight helping Rarity manage the place or Rarity trying to use Twilight for advertisement/modeling more or even abusing it in pursuit of popularity
The best time for their episode would've been in S2-4. But even now there's a lot that can be done in Canterlot alone, Rarity and Twilight see the city differently, not to mention any other places like something in the middle of nowhere where both feel out of their element. I feel like using them the show can tackle pretty serious and subtle friendship problems.
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>>29892491
Rarity will get an episode with Glimmer before she gets one with Twilight
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>>29889076
Seeing Rarity getting fucked by an NSX was the most bizarre thing.

And I fapped to it.
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>>29892551
I would not mind a Rarity and Glimmer episode. Hell I'd love that if done right.
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>>29892491
>new best horse gets episodes
what's the problem here

>>29892551
>2 of the best horses get a episode together
not an issue
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>>29892735
as someone who likes Glimmer, glimmy episodes are fine but there's an awful lot of them already.
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>>29893012
>awful lot of them
b8
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>>29892538
S1 when the relationship was still fresh would've fit well, too. S4 right after Twilicorn would probably make the most sense. Too late for that now, but Rarity is still an owner of three boutiques and Twilight is still a skillful organizer. There's still so many things for them to have a nice slice of life ep about.

>>29892709
Glimmer being a bit of a psycho and sociopath could definitely use some mentoring. There wouldn't be the proper bonding that Twirity would have, but it could still be pulled off into a solid episode.

>>29892735
>trying to start shit
Piss off, darling.
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>>29893053
>using "darling"
>"REE, that's not my favorite horse"
it takes a special kind of weapons-grade autism to label a reply as "starting shit" you fucking dunce
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>>29893053
Rarity fan here, you're a faggot, just stop
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>>29893053
>Has a favorite pony
>This means he is trying to start drama
Darling, please.

I'd actually like to see a Glimmity episode. Glimmer is damaged, but Rarity can be very patient with things like that. Look at how she helped Flutters in Filli Vanilli. I think Rarity would see Glimmer's concerns, and subtly work around them to make Glimmer more comfortable without her realizing it. And also make her more fabulous simply by proximity.
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>>29893305
There's too much glimposting for me to take a low-effort post like that as anything else other than bait. While not a fan of Glimmer herself I don't mind her episodes and actually welcome the show trying to work her in to make her likeable for me. Rarity being the most socially aware pony aside from Pinkie (when written well) would be a great help in making Glimmer fit in and be less of a sperg at times, I agree.
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>>29893386
Starlight is the closest thing to a pony autist we have, desu. She basically just stays in the castle doing magic, and has like two actual friends outside of Twilight- one of whom is Trixie, who somehow has *worse* social skills. Having an episode where Rarity and Starlight go to Canterlot, Manehattan, or wherever else- it'd be a fantastic chance to have Starlight become a more likeable and sociable character.
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>>29891097
I guess that's how they have it. It was far different when I was a kid. Shame how things are going down hill. From what I heard, Italy has it worse.

I was one of those bullies back in the day. Hope you enjoyed it, scrub.
>>29892735
>best
That's Trixie though. Her and Rara would be based. Glim is just good, not best.
>>29893053
Nothing wrong with a guy liking a horse that you don't like.
>>29893645
That's Moondancer, anon. Starlight is just a girl who's afraid of failing, like Twilight was. She was also afraid of everyone continuing to treat her like shit, which is understandable. Nothing implies that she's a sperg.
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>>29893749
Starlight is also a little too... self-centered, I guess, unaware of what is and isn't socially or morally acceptable (Every Little Thing She Does being the prime example). She grew up anti-social and used to bending everything to her will, which is something she is only now after all these years trying to steer clear from. There's a difference between what she did and what Twilight did in LZ over her fear of failing.
Rarity and Trixie would be a fun duo as well, I could see Trixie playing on Rarity's nerves really quickly. They had that one comic (Friends Forever?) together where they had to cooperate on Sapphire Shores' show costumes and effects. I don't remember too much about it anymore, but that's probably good since it means I wasn't bothered by something stupid in it.
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>>29893871
>She grew up anti-social
No she didn't. She grew up with one friend who eventually left her and treated every other friend as her own property. Nothing autistic about that, unless you're unaware of how people act yourself. Plenty of non-mentally ill people are like this with their friends.

Twilight did literally the same thing in LZ when she mind controlled a huge group of people into loving a doll.

I think those two could work out. It would be a bit like Rara and AJ, except Trixie would be a different kind of annoyance for her. It would be nice to show that Trixie needs to be more generous and Rarity is too generous.
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>>29893965
Yes, she grew up with one friend who left her town when he got his cutiemark (so still as a colt, and I'm glancing over the fact that apparently mail wasn't a thing back then and neither was visiting, I guess) and then Glimmer decided to shun cutiemarks, refused to make new friends and grew up closed in, studying magic to remove CMs and mind control people or what not. If you're being a loner overtly attached to one friend until you're 10 and then spend your teenage years being emo and outright refusing to make friends, that classifies as antisocial to me.

The bottom line of what happened in LZ and ELTSD is the same, the conditions are very different though. Where Twilight is beyond a nervous breakdown, believing she is rightly fucked if she doesn't think of something, she, panicking, thinks of creating a friendship problem with the CMCs. Give them the doll, tell them that sharing is caring, write a letter, done. They don't like it so she forces them, without thinking the consequences through. Shit spirals out of control.
In ELTSD, Starlight is scared of doing friendship lessons because she might disappoint others. Somehow, by doing all five at once (prior to any mind control plans), this fear goes away. I'm not sure how that conclusion was reached. Trying to do all of them obviously fails, so she decides to turn the M5 into her mind controlled slaves. There's no last minute panic, there is no spell gone wrong, she rationally thought this was okay, it was intended. You can actually see that at the end of the episode, because she doesn't even feel bad about what she's done. Or, in better words, "I feel bad not because of what I was doing, but because I was caught doing it," and then she openly tries to figure out how to mind control her friends better so she could get away with it later on. Her moral compass is fucked.

Rara and Trixie both enjoy theatrics, but they would soon find out it's not always so pleasurable for the other side. That'd be a fun ep.
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>>29894149
>and I'm glancing over the fact that apparently mail wasn't a thing back then and neither was visiting, I gues
They honestly don't seem to write to each other too often. They prefer to visit, and she was clearly too shy to do so. Also, I remember her feeling ashamed that she didn't get in with him.

She spent her time studying like that, but she technically made friends in that town of hers, regardless of what her secrets were. I should concede that she was a bit anti social as a child.

She gave the problem to everyone else as well. Big Mac got in trouble with the paper because of it. Starlight flipped out that she might disappoint her teacher, as did Twilight, and resorted to mind control, as did Twilight. The main difference was the magnitude of the spells. Starlight's was a powerful one, which is horseshit as it did basically the same thing as Twilight's. so it caused massive headaches to the girls. All Starlight did was mind control them to doing the things for her, like Ponks baking and Dash looking for a spot to chill, it wasn't a slave deal exactly. No more than Twilight turning others into a doll obsessed slave.

She didn't exactly plan it all out as she panicked when they all came on her and jumped into a book to find a spell to use. She flipped out the same way Twilight did in LZ, only there was no one to constantly tell her to calm down.

Starlight did all of the shit in that episode in the season ending, but she wasn't being judged on it, so it wasn't so bad. If anything, she has anxiety over failing tests and disappointing, which is a common thing, and not autism.

Didn't she go and apologize to everyone for fucking around with them? If anything, having such a moral compass just means that she's a sociopath, not a sperg. I'd like to see them dig deeper into this for some real character development.
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>>29894149
>>29894205
Do they really? I haven't seen the newest episode, so I can't confrim. I know that Trixie can make roses appear, and has a fashionable cape and hat, so they could fool around with that. All in all, I believe that they have more in common than they both realize, and it would be fun to see them eventually coming to that realization and becoming good friends in the end.
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>>29894205
When Sunburst moved away he or she could've visited each other, or just stay in contact. Makes me wonder if Starlight has (had) any parents, because that's some lousy parenting. Calling the ponies of Our Town "technically friends" is still stretching it, I'd say.

In Lesson Zero, you have Twilight at the brink of insanity, desperately trying to think of something to make the CMCs fight over the doll. It seems the Want It, Need It spell is something she hasn't really ever tried casting, though, since she doesn't know how it operates. So she tries to take the doll from the CMCs, fails, enrolls Big Mac, it snowballs from there. At that point Twilight already knows she colossally fucked up, regrets her decision and, when Celestia steps in, is ready for punishment.

In ELTSD, you have Starlight taking on five tasks at once out of something that is part anxiety and part laziness (really, I still don't understand how "I'm afraid of doing one friendship task -> I will do all five at once" is a logical train of thought), and when she encounters her first hurdle, she decides to assume direct control over her friends. Even the spell is on another level (charm a doll/direct control, and yes, it is a slave deal when they have to obey every command). She thinks this through, justifies her decision and expects to actually be praised for doing this (and congratulates herself). She then proceeds to boss her "friends" around for roughly a half of the episode and while Twilight is out there fixing everything she just sits there thinking how to mind control her friends better. She only feels bad when she's told to.

Yes, on a very basic level LZ=ELTSD, but the intent, the circumstances, the magnitude, the lack of regret, that's all different. Though I am not arguing about whether or not she's a sperg or autistic or whatever. I'm arguing that what she has done was worse than LZ, and that she lacks a moral compass because of it.

Oh god I can't even fit in the character limit.
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>>29894205
Her apology doesn't feel like it's enough to me simply because of the scale of what she did. We're not talking murder, but it's still serious physical harm, break of trust, and, well, fucking mind control. The fact she got away with it with a simple sorry is bullshit. And she also apologized more because Twilight told her "This is bad and you should feel bad, now go say sorry". The whole episode and what she's done is so insane I cannot see that apology as sincere, because to me she is just deranged.

>>29894211
Trixie is a "magician" who likes to put up a show. She's an entertainer, always talks highly of herself, so on. Rarity is a drama queen, no doubt. Theatrics is something they have in common.
Plus there's still the unsettled score with the green hair.
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>>29889097
She's going to get a fuckawful "Hey Sweetie Belle, let's do kiddy shit we never did when you were a kid! I, the most socially smart of the mane six, will fail to see what's wrong with babying my no-longer-baby sister when I could be working!" and that'll be it. Maybe a few "She exists and is the prissy one" moments in the episodes of others.

Fuck Miller.
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>>29894440
>When Sunburst moved away he or she could've visited each other, or just stay in contact.
I know this, my point was that most ponies, nor kids, don't seem to do this. At most my friends and I would call each other on the phone occasionally.

They sure seemed like good friends in the S6 finale. They also seemed to like her and that white horse was her friend in the S5 opener.

Her insanity was caused by her own craziness. She was told to calm down, but freaked herself out and mind controlled people. Starlight was given a second chance, one that she seems to fret over because she's afraid that people don't really forgive her, and panicked to ensure that she'd pass the test.

It really isn't more of a slave deal than the love spell. She was afraid of failing and took control, which is what she does very well if the S6 finale is anything to go by. If by bossing her friends you mean telling them to do what they were doing anyway without her, then yeah, she treated her "friends" like slaves. She feels bad when she realizes she fucked up.

Twilight decided that mind controlling people into having a friendship problem was a good idea so she could be praised by solving the misery that she herself caused. Sounds like she had the intent of hurting people, while Glimmer didn't.

The only thing that makes Starlight worse in this instance was the magnitude of the spell. I'd say that at most, what they did was equal as they were just a different way to do the same thing, and her not having a moral compass is questionable as she clearly regrets doing the bad shit she did and is desperate to be forgiven for it. Lacking a moral compass would be bugbutt who would rather curse her people to an eternal hunger than let there be peace.
>>29894483
What she did was have something spiral out of control and fail at fixing it. No malice intended, so an apology is fine for me since Twilight did the same thing and all she got was the princess telling her not to freak out again.
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>>29894483
All that was caused for harm was a headache. Take some pills and they're over it. Break of trust is no worse than mind controlling children.

What did you expect her to do? Beg for mercy and get whipped? She could have given a half assed apology, but give a sincere one in front of everyone.

There is no proof that she's deranged at all, just unaware of how to act with people. Deranged would be if she did it, laughed and gave a shit apology because it was that or get kicked out.

Rara puts on a show with her singing group, and since human Trixie can sing, I assume pony can too. I'd love a duet with the two.
>>29894501
kek. Sadly, this is probably true.
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>>29894501
Oh shush, since when Rarity and Sweetie episodes are bad? They can't possibly fail such an easy concept of one of the most empathic ponies understanding that her little sister isn't a literal baby anymore, right? Surely she won't act absolutely oblivious and Sweetie won't lose her temper over her sister's attepts to spend time with her, right? I mean we're long past that. We had Sisterhooves Social and For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils and even Sleepless in Ponyville, they wouldn't just forget about those bonding experiences and present their relations as a blank slate, right?
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>>29894501
I hope you're wrong, I'm looking forward to it.My hopes still aren't very high though.
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>>29894592
Considering these people don't watch the show and are prone to rehashing plots, I wouldn't be surprised if they fuck it up.
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>>29894522
>It really isn't more of a slave deal than the love spell
It is, because the M5 were literally her slaves. Twilight had no control over the ponies in LZ, that was basically the root of the problem.
Twilight insanity was caused by herself, agreed, although her friends probably should've tried harder to stop her instead of laughing it off at the picnic iirc, that's kinda why they run to her defense at the end of the episode.
The difference in their decisions is that for Twilight this was her last chance - she tried being reasonable about the friendship report, and this was absolutely her last shot (in her eyes, at least) that she could take, so she took it. For Starlight, mind control is the first thing on her list after encountering the first problem in a challenge she made harder for herself without any solid reason.
Intent is also different. Twilight didn't want to mind control the ponies, she just wanted them to fight over the doll and motivated them to do so with force, intending to immediately break it up before any real harm occurred. Glimmer wanted to mind control the M5. She knew what was going to happen, that was her goal, and she was perfectly fine with it.

>as she clearly regrets doing the bad shit she did and is desperate to be forgiven for it.
Where exactly in the episode does that happen? Before or after Twilight told her that instead of thinking about a better mind controlling spell, she should feel bad? Before or after Twilight and Spike told her that she's missing the point?
She felt bad because she was told to.

>>29894549
I wasn't expecting anything different considering this is a kids show where being sorry is all you need to be forgiven. But she shouldn't have been forgiven on a dime by the Our Town ponies, by Twilight in the S5 finale, and by the others in ELTSD.
As for deranged, well, she was all but laughing while doing the spell and had to be told to go and apologize, so I definitely wouldn't cross "deranged" out.
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>page 9
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Rare Ware
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bump before bed.

goodnight rarity thread.
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Here's a question for everyone here: is Rarity's last name Belle? Does she have a surname at all?
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>>29896024
Probably Belle, like Fluttershy's is Shy, Rainbow Dash is implied to be a Dash and Ponks is a Pie. I'm just wondering if Twilight's last name is Twilight, since her mom is Twilight Velvet.
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>>29896024
Ponies don't have last names.
They just have names, some of which have more words in them than others.
Familes tend to have names that fit a common theme due to a combination of tradition and nominative determinism.

The alternative leads to bizarre and awful ideas like
>Cup Cake was named Cup *something else* before she got married but then she changed it and took up baking
or
>Cup Cake and Carrot Cake are actually brother and sister and didn't think things through all the way when they picked an unrelated stallion to give them some foals
and
>Twilight Velvet is horse-Japanese and Twilight is her (and her daughter's) surname
not to mention
>the Flim Flam bros' full names are Flim Flam and Flam Flam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydBkyCXfao

Rarity's full name is Rarity.
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>>29896271
>Ponies don't have last names.
This is completely wrong. Rainbow Dash called Fluttershy's parents "Mr. and Ms. Shy".
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>>29896037
WhiteDiamond is a jewel.
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>>29896334
Fluttershy's parents' names are Mr. Shy and Mrs. Shy.
Again, the alternative, in which the Cakes consistently address each other by their full names, even when talking to their foals
>Mr. Cake: Uh uh uh uh, we don't chew on things, Pumpkin Cake.
, and Pinkie's mom is Cloudy Quartz Pie and Applejack's sister is Apple Bloom Apple and Rarity's dad is Hondo Flanks Belle, but Rainbow Dash is just Rainbow Dash and Sweetie Belle is just Sweetie Belle, but Fluttershy is Fluttershy Shy for some reason, is too stupid to seriously consider.
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>>29896603
>>29896271
>>29896087
>>29896024
I think we can sum it up by saying that names are inconsistent. It seems some families prefer to have surnames, like the Pies and Cakes. Some prefer a general theme, like the Apples. Rarity's family names, however, are just all over the place. There are no rules they must follow.

As for Mr. and Mrs. Shy, I suppose they simply elected to give their daughter a one-word name.
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>>29896334
>>29896603
>>29896765
Twilight Velvet and Night Light are credited as "Mrs. Sparkle and Mr. Sparkle" in their one speaking role. Let's not pretend that we actually know the names of Fluttershy's parents.
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>>29896603
You just proved my point.
>>29896765
Not exactly. The only people who are really inconsistent are the Apples. Everyone else, Dash assuming, has the last part of their name as their last name. Ponies are just inconsistent with calling people by their full names.

They more than likely call her by her full name, like Twilight, Pinkie, and probably Rainbow.
>>29896781
>Let's not pretend that we actually know the names of Fluttershy's parents.
We do know their names, or their last names rather, which is all I was saying. That shows that ponies do indeed have last names.
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>>29897013
>We do know their names, or their last names rather, which is all I was saying.
But Twilight Velvet's full name isn't "Twilight Velvet Sparkle," nor is Night Light's "Night Light Sparkle." That isn't attested anywhere.

What you're calling surnames are more like associative titles, like calling John Smith's wife "Mrs. John Smith." There's no reason to believe that Fluttershy's parents are handled any differently.

>everyone else
Where is Rarity given a family name? Where are Hondo Flanks and Cookie Crumbles given a family name? Where does this exist anywhere outside your headcanon?
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>>29896024
Sadly I wish I had a good one to throw out. Let's me add a little more personality to her in my day dreams.
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>>29897036
When did I say we know their last names? I said it's assumed that theirs is Sparkle, and according to >>29896781 they are.

Don't be a jackass. They were literally called, and credited as, Mr. Shy and Ms. Shy. I don't know which country you're from in which people just call each other whatever last name they feel like, but in mine they use their surname, unless of course they use their maiden names.

Hondo Flanks and CC aren't relevant in the slightest, and I never said they gave Rarity a last name. I specifically said "probably Belle", you jackass. Learn how to comprehend what you read.
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>>29897101
They're credited with those names because that's how they're written in the script, which the writers don't always expect us to see. Larson fell prey to this in his Slice of Life panel, where he declared it absurd that Hasbro would force him to change Derpy's name to Muffins in his draft. "But why?" he said. "No one will see it!"

As for why the script would say Mr. Sparkle, or Mrs. Shy? There are plenty of reasons. Pulling straight from asset filenames (this is why Cloud Chaser is sometimes called Stormwalker), or maybe the writers just weren't aware, or maybe it was a placeholder left in after the fact. We have many, many ponies with multiple (conflicting!) names because of these, like Cookie Crumbles/Betty Bouffant.

Anyway. You're taking a very flimsy concept and expanding it to literally every other character in the show, when the overwhelming evidence says that pony names just don't work that way. They're very loose concepts that are often, but not always, centred around themes common to their clan. Sometimes this results in a pattern, and sometimes it doesn't. It definitely is not universal.

>I don't know which country you're from in which people just call each other whatever last name they feel like, but in mine they use their surname
Sure. On Earth, in the current day. But family surnames are a pretty recent concept. Historically, it was all bynames, epithets, patronymics, occupational titles, etc -- not family surnames. "Leif Erikson" was named as such because he was the son of Erik the Red, not because his father was named Erikson. And in "Leonardo da Vinci," da Vinci is not a surname; all it means is "Leonardo of the town of Vinci."

Sorry for the long-winded post.
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>>29897192
>They're credited with those names because that's how they're written in the script, which the writers don't always expect us to see. Larson fell prey to this in his Slice of Life panel, where he declared it absurd that Hasbro would force him to change Derpy's name to Muffins in his draft. "But why?" he said. "No one will see it!"
That doesn't make something less canon. Just means that we aren't supposed to know of it.

No, I'm taking a fact and expanding it to those characters who are affected by it. Are you really this retarded to where you can't read?
>pretty recent concept
Once again, this isn't relevant. FiM is already modern with the way things are. Whatever ancient aspects it had in S1 are gone as they're technically advanced, and follow American culture, which would in fact imply that they all have last names.
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>tfw the rarithreads become your go-to thread for show discussions
fucking love you all, fags
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>>29897219
Alright, anon. If these are familial surnames, tell me why they only use one-word names for Rarity, Scootaloo, Cheerilee, et al in the same context as Twilight Sparkle, Sweetie Belle, and Rainbow Dash.

You're telling me to read? Use your context clues, and take on the burden of proof.

It can't be personal uptightness, because Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie are hardly uptight. It can't be differing occasions, because one-, two-, and three-word names are commonly spoken together in the same context. So what is it?
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>>29897261
It's nice that Rarity threads have discussion, and aren't total waifu hugbox threads like a lot of of other ponies threads.It's a nice change of pace, Although I wish they got green a little more often.
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>>29897261
I have no idea how it happens but somehow it always does. And it's great.
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>>29897261
I was thinking the same thing the other day. There's so much discussion in this thread to read through. And it has been so active, we don't have to choose between quality and quantity of posts.

You guys are all alright.
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Boop
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We jinxed the discussion by discussing it.
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>>29899621
It happens when you least expect it. Or sleep through it and never get the chance to participate
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>>29899695
Why do you guys think Rarity gets along so well with Ponkers?
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>>29899912
Despite well-mannered and reserved behaviour Rarity is a big bundle of joy inside. Ponk brings it out in the best way (though sometimes they overdo it a bit in my opinion).
On the other hand Pinks can be really girly and she can easily connect with Rarity because they're both pretty empathetic. She's not a stranger to Rarity's interests unlike say Dash or AJ, just as Rarity can get Pinkie pretty well.
Sometimes it almost seems like Rarity tries to act like an adult towards childish Panka, that's her natural trait and it balances them well. Making Pinkie more grounded isn't easy but if anyone can do it, it's Rarity.
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>>29899912
She gets along well with all of the mane six.
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>>29900051
True, but her and Penk have a relatively unique friendship; one that's not based on a gimmick like lol opposites (Applejack) or we're so feminine (Fluttershy), but on general companionship.
They rarely seem to be doing anything specific when they're together.

That's pretty rare in cartoonland.
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>>29900115
Well, all good things are better when they are a rarity.
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>>29900154
oh dear...
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>>29899621
It was bed time, so I had to quit. Also, they were beginning to derail a Rara thread, and it became apparent that we were just going back and forth.
>>29900115
>her and Penk have a relatively unique friendship
Wrong. Her and Apple Jack have a unique relationshipt, and that's because of childhood friendship or something similar. There's a reason Rarity was the only name that Apple Jack knew in the S5 finale.
>>29900154
>>29900167
kek
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>>29900373
>Her and Apple Jack have a unique relationship
>you're dirty and I'm clean!
>well yer prissy and ah'm hardworkin!
>we're just so different!
This is the least unique friendship dynamic in cartoons
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>>29899912
She's differently not, she finds her more noisy-annoying if anything else.
I don't believe anyone in m6 except maybe RD really connects with Ponk and even she outright calls her "annoying" on occasions, Ponk's just that kind of a pony - she have a lot of "friends" but no really close friends like Rarity\Fluttershy.
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>>29900400
>I'll just ignore what you said
Ok, anon.
>>29900565
This. Her and Dash are the ones who grate on the others enough to not have a unique relationship.
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>>29900682
Dash belongs to Rarity.
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>>29900700
That's not Flutterbutter.
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>>29900729
Is it bad that I kinda miss Rarity being close friends with Flutters? They barely interact anymore.
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>>29900700
Are we there yet?
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>>29900735
I agree, although it always made more sense for Flutterbutter and Dash to be close friends.
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>>29900740
Almost.
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>>29900750
>Flutterbutter and Dash
They're more like childhood friends, but Rari\Flutter have true connection and understanding on a completely different level.
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>>29900750
Being childhood friends Flutters and Dash are great and they work, yes. I just miss the ultimate comfy girly Rarishy interactions sometimes.
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>>29900770
>They're more like childhood friends
Is that not what a close friend usually is? Someone you've know since childhood?

They don't nor have they ever been that close. The fact that it was abandoned pretty early confirms that.
>>29900827
I too miss it. It was nice when Rarity could convince Fluttershy to leave her safe zone for a bit. Shame that she's always rolled back.
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Gentlemen, the first upright standing bipedal Rarity.
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>>29901100
>Gentlemen
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>>29901285
Sorry for assuming your gender.
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>>29901285
tits or GTFO. This is a gentleman's thread for the adoration of best Ra.
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>>29901100
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>>29901349
Thanks for the eye cancer.
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>>29901358
you're welcome
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>>29901366
>squish7
Are there more squishes?
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>>29901386
yes
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>>29901334
Do you like wear a fedora or something? Stop being so beta.
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>>29901418
>all this assblasted bait
Fuck off, slut.
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>>29901423
What are you talking about? I dont understand.I'm not a girl either.
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>>29901455
Males can be sluts, anon.
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>>29900700
>>29900740
>>29900751
>worst pony with the best
how contrician
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>>29901530
Let it go, Anon. We're long past this.
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>>29901565
>implying i'm mad
>pic related
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>>29901653
>implying implications
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I'm a Rarifag, but you guys sound like Fedora tipping gentlemen.I thought Flutterfags were the beta ones.
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>>29901693
they still are

>>29901685
>projecting
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>>29900682
You didn't say anything other than AJ and Rarity were childhood friends.
There's nothing unique about that, unless you have a very different definition on unique.

I mean, Flutters and Dash are childhood friends.
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>>29900565
>Putting Your Hoof Down
>at least 2 Manehattan episodes that featured them on their own
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>>29889063

I just want to FINALLY have an episode mainly focussed on her and Twilight.

>>29889095

AN episode where Rarity and Twilight join forces to solve a mistery/crime, they will each came with a different conclusion and then later they realize each one just know half of what actually happened, they resolve the mistery/crime and then they kiss, THE END.
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>>29901997
Clearly you never had a friend that lasted through childhood.

Those two should also have a unique relationship. Well, less because they lived in two different places, but still.
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>>29902086
I'd watch that, both already did investigative work in the show so-
>and then they kiss
Wew, way to escalate things.
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>>29902050
What are you trying to say?
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>>29902101
Okay, so you don't know what it means.
Unique means different from other things.

There are at least 2 pairs of childhood friends among the Mane 6.
>>29902231
These are all episodes in which Ponk and Rares hang out for no real reason.
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>>29902313
>Ponk and Rares hang out for no real reason
Go watch those episodes again, pay close attention to Rarity's dialogs and face expressions.
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>>29902332
Just marathoned the show again for season 7.
It's why picked up on their unique friendship to begin with.

Why not try just saying what you mean, instead of telling me to watch the show.
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Best princess: Celestia
Best m6: Rarity
Best filly: Sweetie Belle

Any questions?
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>>29889063
>Cutie mark-showing dress
l-lood

Didn't know this was a thing but holy hell I love it.
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>>29902580
Best Princess: Celestia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noGlpEOB938
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>>29902580
>Best filly: Sweetie Belle

She ruined her sis career.
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>>29902598
that was pretty cancer but there is one thing I took from it

>tfw Celestia & Nightmare Moon dual leadership
maybe not NM, but I just want Luna to be of equal size and strength again, and not the size of an irrelevant Alicorn like Cadence.
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>>29902694
>Cancer

Please Explain.
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>>29902580
Diamond Tiara and Scootaloo are both better fillies than Sweetie Belle.
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>>29902580
>best princess
Correct.
>best m6
Ok.
>best filly
That would be Diamond.
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>>29903380
my nigga
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>>29902313
It's unique from her friendship with the others, you mong. It's unique in that context, which is what I was talking about. There isn't a friendship that is completely unique by your logic.
>>29902348
>It's why picked up on their unique friendship to begin with.
There really is none. The only one with a unique friendship with Ponks is Dash, and that's because they prank together.
>>29903426
>that little Muriel pone
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>>29899912
They're both outgoing ponies and we know that Rarity has a silly side to her. Plus she has enough patience to put up with Pinkie's bullshit. Pinkie brings out (or tries to) the child inside Rarity, even when she's attempting to be serious. That's why they enjoy spending time together - Rarity "gets" Pinkie, and Pinkie makes Rara laugh, take her mind off of things, so on.

>>29900373
>Rarity and AJ are childhood friends
I'm blanking out, how do we know this?

>>29900700
This guy knows what's up.

>>29902086
I would love to have another noir detective episode, even if people would bitch that it's repetitive. A mystery episode, as a friendship map problem or something, could work.
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>>29904287
>I'm blanking out, how do we know this?
see >>29900373
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>>29900373
>>29904287
Rarity and AJ grew up in the same town, but there's no indication they were childhood friends. Recognising a name (especially in a small town) doesn't mean you're someone's friend necessarily.
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>>29904301
AJ knowing the name of a Ponyville resident is not really proof that they are childhood friends. Maybe classmates, at best. If you consider how they couldn't stand each other in LBYS, them being childhood friends is not really plausible.
>>29904309 was faster.
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>>29904309
>>29904311
Considering she didn't know any of the either girls, Fluttershy included, implies that they were friends. Rarity wasn't a fashion mogul, nor is the town that small. Also, they were friends normally and there is no reason to suggest that they wouldn't be friends as kids, especially since she left the city early.

Friends have fights all of the time. They also have disagreements. They sure seemed fine being with each other in the S1 opener, and in the Applejack episode.
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>>29904321
She didn't know any of the others because they never lived in Ponyville in that timeline. In all timelines, AJ and Rarity are the only Ponyville natives.
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>>29904321
Because none of the girls were in Ponyville you dense motherfucker. The Rainboom didn't happen in those timelines. Fluttershy never fell off the sky, Pinkie never left the rock farm, Twilight never succeeded at hatching a dragon and we don't really even know why Dash lives in Ponyville.
And if they were childhood friends, why would they still be ironing out their relationship in the show? You'd think that if they spent years together at that point they would already be used to each other at least on Made in Manehattan-tier, not like what we got in S1.

>>29904326
Stop it, you.
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>>29904328
gomen

Have a fancy horse
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>>29904326
Exactly. If the village is as small as you claim, then there is no way they wouldn't have been friends. Since they are the only two to live in Ponyville as a child, that makes them childhood friends.
>>29904328
Are you one of those jackasses who believes that friends never fight? You believe that you can never get pissed at people you like? Leave your fucking house, idiot. Also, Dash lives in Cloudsdale and never moved to Ponyville.
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>>29904338
>If the village is as small as you claim, then there is no way they wouldn't have been friends.
I can tell you didn't grow up in a small town.

Anyway, we've never seen them doing anything as children together, so the only source to go on is the fact that one recognised the other's name. This means all of jack and shit as far as actual friendships go. Simply knowing a person does not mean they're your friend.

>Also, Dash lives in Cloudsdale and never moved to Ponyville.
How can one person be so wrong?

"Rainbow Dash: I'll tell you what -- making this party epic! 'Cause this isn't just any birthday. It's also the anniversary of when I moved to Ponyville!"
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>>29904354
I can tell you have no clue how people actually work. Unless one of them was different as a kid, they'd have been friends as kids as they are as adults.

We hardly see anything of them as kids. She knew her name, they grew up together, their personality didn't change much, in fact their sisters are similar and are best friends.
>lives in a cloud mansion not in ponyville
It's very shaky were she lives at best.

Regardless, we know very little of any of their pasts, and all we have is guesses based off snippets of information. What we do know is they've known each other the longest, which gives them a unique friendship. The only ones to rival it are Fluttershy and Dash.
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>>29904338
>since they are the only two to live in Ponyville as a child, that makes them childhood friends
No, anon. There is no proof they were friends as foals, and just because they live in the same village doesn't make them such. Are you childhood friends with every classmate you had? We don't even know if they visited the same school. It's safe to assume so, but we do not know. You don't even see AJ anywhere in Rarity's flashback in the Cutie Mark Chronicles. There is no mention they go that far back, you're just making assumptions.

>friends never fight
Of course they fight and argue, but they don't get mad over basic shit like this. That's the difference in how AJ's and Rarity's relationship improved over time in the show. I have friends I know for 10+ years, they are indeed childhood friends, so I already know what to expect of them. You learn to expect, tolerate and accept their negative sides. You don't flip out at a basic character trait of theirs after dealing with that same character trait for ten years. Rarity wouldn't get butthurt over AJ being a mudpony in LBYS to the point she doesn't want to be in the same room with her if they were friends for so long. Later on in the show it gets much better. AJ doing mudpony stuff is more of an "ugh" eyeroll moment instead of "oh my fucking god, I'm leaving".

>Dash lives in Cloudsdale
Already proven wrong above.

>>29904371
>what we do know is they've known each other the longest, which gives them a unique friendship
Except we do not know, you have nothing to back this up with other than assumptions and headcanons.
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>>29904371
Why must you assume they they absolutely had to be friends just because they lived in the same place? The only reason the mane 6 are friends now is because Twilight brought them together. They didn't really hang out before that, they had no reason to. Why would a farmer, a fashionista, a party pony, a weather pony, and an animal-loving recluse hang out together?

>But they lived in the same town, they had to hang out
No. That's not how it works. In season 1, they were still learning about each other, indicating that they were not very close before Twilight brought them together.
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>>29904922
Actually, while that would make sense considering season one (and it's still headcanonned for me), I'm afraid S7E1 shits on that, because in one of Celestia's flashbacks you can already see the M6 sans Twilight hanging out and being friends. I plan to treat it as just a background gag and Celestia's hazy memory because all five of them knowing each other doesn't make sense, but strictly speaking that's how the show says it is so that's how it is.
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>>29892538

An episode about Twilight is trying to teach Rarity "real" Unicorn magic, because Twilight thinks that Rarity is just wasting her magic in silly thing like fashion. It could make lots of sense in season 1, were Teilight is still learning about friendship and stuff, but now is way too late for that, well they could still make something like that but with starlight instead of Twilight...
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>>29904922
>had to be friends just because they lived in the same place
DYEWTS?
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>>29905131
>S7
>canon
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>>29905079
I don't think Twilight would ever think like that but it can be more of Starlight thing, I can see that.

If I remember it correctly Twilight herself copied Rarity's spell one time. And Rarity also volunteered to test Twilight's wing spell. In S1 magic was less commonplace and seemed a lot harder to master, so I never thought that Rarity is "weak" since she's so precise with her magic. Frome sewing to trasforming leaves and branches into pony shapes to teleporting a vest onto a pony, she did everything casually. Such mundane applications of magic contrasted Twilight's academic and serious approach, pushing herself and learning constantly. They had a very special dynamics being the magic users of the group but they are rarely together these days so it lost its charm a bit.
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>>29905143
Back then, magic was more magical. That might sound stupid, but there were these small quirks to it. Twilight with the triple corona when banishing Ursa Minor, exerting herself with teleporting, Trixie with the show stage magic, Rarity with the branches and gem finding, it was like everyone had their innate magic basically tailored to them and their cutie mark. Just like their auras were different, so were the spells they knew, everyone had their skillset. Learning new magic was possible, but difficult, because what came to one unicorn naturally would be completely foreign to another one.
Sadly it didn't last long. Regular unicorns just do basic levitation spells, Twilight (and later Glimmer) do whatever the fuck they want. We have laser beam battles, powerful amulets, ancient tomes. In some ways the "lore" expanded, in some it shrank, and I don't want to be the judge of which way was the right one, nonetheless the cute small scale, somewhat mysterious concept is long gone.
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>>29905131
Man, I guess I already suppressed that sloppy scene in my memory. It just doesn't reconcile with how they interacted in season 1... My only explanation for this is that it was not a precise visual representation of a memory, but an idealization of it. Yet, she did still call them "friends"...

Ugh, why did K&J ruin this? I want to like them because they wrote Gauntlet of Fire and helped with Rarity Investigates... These episodes were otherwise fine, but with this scene and Castle Sweet Castle, it makes me wish those two would never touch story/continuity ever again.

I've never been one to ignore canon, but this mistake is just too egregious. I can't handle it.
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>>29905211
>this mistake is just too egregious
Are you retarded? Everything makes more sense now, thanks to this exact moment.
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>>29905171
Well, to be fair, if any unicorns were able to do all kinds of magic, it'd be those whose special talent is magic like Twilight and Starlight.

With Twilight learning and pushing herself, she can now perform spells with ease, whereas they used to take great effort. She has grown, and now she can teleport and shoot lasers on the fly. Helps that she's an alicorn... Glimmy, on the other hand, has had nothing better to do. No friends, no obligations, she just practiced wizardry I guess. So of course she can cast barriers and lasers instantly. She's about Twilight's level, potentially even more advanced in terms of spell knowledge. Twilight's raw alicorn ability puts her on another level.

Rarity, on the other hoof, can flawlessly multitask and cast simple beautification spells. They seem to just come naturally - I doubt she expressly practices these things. Magic comes from within, right? With Rarity's personality, those kinds of spells just pour out of her, especially when inspired.
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>>29905131
The scene was obviously made for time-constraint reasons. The point was that Twilight should make friends with those five ponies Celestia picked. The point was not that they were already friends beforehand. It's just easier to represent in a few seconds of screen time if you show them all together. It's not an intentional continuety error, it's just sloppiness. Yet you keep treating it as if it was the main focus of the entire episode. So much nit-picking.
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>>29905171
I absolutely agree with that, somehow the magic, well, just lost it's magic. Something like learning a spell or even borrowing another pony's spells was already a feat of skill. Growing a mustache was a thing Twilight had to actively learn how to do. It's almost scary how powerlevels shifted over time. By the time Twilight's Kingdom aired it wasn't even that impressive.
The other thing is I think with the low-key magic of S1 it was easier to be creative with it, a lot of spells wasn't universal. Something Trixie did in Boast Busters was pretty much unique to her and it was impressive. From there we went to it not even being "real" magic. And Starlight is just a completely different case altogether, at that point they obviously didn't care. And now we're getting that "anger magic" or whatever. How much more of a special snowflake can she get?
Not everything needs to be JJBA levels of creative magic powers but what we have now just seems a bit lazy. Lazers are about the most boring thing you can do with magic. I'm surprised that we've seen a new Twilight's spell in CA, almost forgot it was a thing at all.
Twilight herself doesn't even focus on academic magic anymore which is a shame. Wouldn't mind her taking after after a very specific asthmatic shut-in librarian she was being compared to so much in S1, writing her own spells and combining them to make even more. Seems like cutiemark magic is her field now but it's yet to produce any results.
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>>29905229
Uh, how?
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>>29905243
Twilight is the princess of friendship now... I don't think she has the time to practice magic now, especially with having Starlight as her student. But now that she ""graduated"", maybe she can take some time to learn things.
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>>29905211
Eventually you will reach the state where you stop considering certain oversights and inconsistencies as canon. Basically making your own headcanon, but not by adding stuff, only removing some nitpicks here and there. It's where I have ended up being. You have to face the facts that caring so much about the lore and every single detail takes an extra amount of weaponized autism that the show writers don't care for.
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>>29905171
I really hate that magic power buff that came thanks to Twilight and Glimmer. Glimmer wasn't even THAT powerful a unicorn until Haber buffed her nonsensically for no discernible reason.

If it means anything though, despite constantly being around these crazy powerhouses, Rarity does seem as a talented unicorn herself with everything she's able to control and manage at once. I'd like to think that she's actually really good with more percise, delicate magic as opposed giant laser beams and the sort of that nature. She does have some knowledge of things beyond basic levitation as she could use a gem finding test.
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>>29905243
You're absolutely right and I wish you weren't. Things definitely got ruined in a DBZ type of fashion, everyone who isn't a saiyan, or magical, really got left behind.
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>>29905256
>Twilight is the princess of friendship now... I don't think she has the time to practice magic now
but friendship IS magic
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>>29905246
>>29873556

>>29905257
You don't watch the show anymore, right? After S03?

>>29905258
>Rarity does seem as a talented unicorn herself with everything
No, she's not. Her "gem finding" is a cutie mark related talent, not magic, and any unicorn can do her >percise, delicate magic. She's just a regular unicorn.
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>>29905237
I like to think that unicorns have a limited mana pool. You can train yourself like you would train your stamina and physical abilities, but at a certain point you just won't be able to do any more magic. You can still learn new spells, but you can't keep casting hellfire for half an hour and be okay because you studied hard. Everyone is born with a certain skillset and mana pool given by their cutiemark, which can be expanded upon with further studying and training. Twilight, being the element of magic and now an alicorn as well, can of course do all sorts of advanced spells. I was more pointing out how we went from what seemed to be "each unicorn has special spells, but this purple one is better at them" to "unicorns levitate stuff and the purple one could genocide Equestria in two minutes".

>>29905243
I'm not actually sure at all how to feel about the whole anger magic. It's a completely new concept that might explain (retcon) some things, but it introduces so much new bullshit. So unicorns are leaking magic if they're not using it now?
You're right, though. The power shift is insane.

>>29905258
I really liked Glimmer as the villain who studied one spell really hard to exploit other ponies and do her own thing. I didn't even take her as magically talented, I assumed she simply spent her life learning that one single spell. Then the show did a 180 and Glimmer is now (almost) alicorn element of magic-tier. Huh.
Rarity has precision where the others have brute force, but it's not like the delicate magic is anything extra, it's simple telekinesis. We could argue about how many things she can control in air while powered by the magic of song animation, but I don't think there's any point in doing that.

>>29905293
Still do, still tune in every Saturday to watch it live.
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>>29905283
All friendship is magic but not all magic is friendship magic. Of course Twilight studies friendship and cutiemark from the stendpoint of magic, as an academic pursuit - even calling it friendship science. The thing is though, it's unclear what it can be used for. A lot of things happened before she began the study and she had nothing to apply it to. The Cutie Re-Mark was the closest thing to it but it didn't even take a lot of science.
The very fact that "science" is basically a lost concept in the show already speak volumes about how much it changed.
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>>29905311
>Still do, still tune in every Saturday to watch it live.
But what's the point? The show will only contradict your amazing headcanons and bring more oversights and inconsistencies.
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>>29905331
You're a funny guy, though I don't know what got you so invested into this unless you're expecting a (You) harvest.
For your amusement: I still do enjoy the show, I like the new episodes for what they are, and I am able to treat them as the kids show they are, and not like they're the holy book or something. I still draw enjoyment from it simply because on a day-to-day basis I do not care about "oversights and inconsistencies". Because a few seconds long scene doesn't ruin the 22 minutes of pony. Just because I dare to criticize and acknowledge that there are oversights and that there are shitty episodes doesn't mean I am sitting here, screeching at the monitor every time Glimmer is on or the show gets something wrong. It's not perfect, but it's not shit either. World isn't black and white. Hopefully that satisfied your curiosity.
And next time, for a better bait, assume I stopped watching after S1. It would make more sense, because including S3 means including a garbage season and the dreaded MMC Twilicorn. And you get the bonus faustfag accusation points, too.
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>>29905293
>>29905331
Wow, you must be a real thrill at parties.

>>29905311
I'd disagree though that's it's a bit more than simple seeing exactly what she's done, how she manipulates things. Maybe that tips into headcanon territory since you can spend a lot of time arguing things (like you said the validity of magic in a song is debatable). Not to mention, she's an Element of Harmony, that has to mean she is a lot more than just average, (and I'd argue the same extension for the rest of the Mane 5 in respect to their pony types, and how they're different in their own ways). If that makes sense. And it's the only way to deal with the buff in my book, since the only thing that kept everyone on the same level was thrown out the window.
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>>29905347
>oversights
Why do you call canon an "oversight"? Thinking like this you can call anything in the show an oversight and say "This whole episode was Spike's dream therefore it's not a canon".
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>>29905368
What else to call canon conflicting itself? Is everything in the show canon? Do you think there are actually 5 Lyras in Ponyville? Did Maud Pie spawn out of nowhere? She wasn't in the family photos nor in the Cutie Mark Chronicles flashbacks.
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>>29905368
And? So what? Why does canon matter?

So what if I want to say TWABA isn't canon, because instead the revenge of Chrysalis comic arc takes precedence. Who cares? If you enjoy it more that way, and aren't arguing with others about it, who gives a shit?
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>>29905396
Canon is canon. You're free to enjoy the show however you like, and even believe in the magical highschool universe behind the mirror, but canon is not negotiable. When you're discussing the show you have to acknowledge it, headcanons need to go to the side.
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Can we just say that M5 being friends before Twilight's arrival wasn't confirmed but also wasn't confirmed to be not true? I did assume that they weren't that close but ultimately the fact that they were friends doesn't change much. It's not unreasonable to think that introduction of Twilight changed a lot of dynamics in the group so at the point of her arrival it didn't matter that much.
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>>29905404
Says who? You and your authority? Why? You're even already doing it yourself by acting like EQG can't be a part of it.

When discussing the show, yes what happens in the show needs to be addressed. But the conversation at hand, which arguably was a better one, involved more than that. "Headcanon" allows for differing viewpoints on the same matter, going off of what was presented in the show. Magic can be discussed, and here you see how people were talking about Rarity and magic when it wasn't exclusively discussed.

Again I go back to, what is canon? Because if you say literally anything in the show, you already accept the contradictions, and then things like MA Larson in the show thanks to SOL. Congratulations, humans are canon in Equestria now because of the basis of them appearing in a single frame. Oh also so is Slenderman I guess.
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>>29905395
>canon conflicting itself
Mostly it's conflicting your headcanon, not itself. Animation mistakes and gags are completely different problem and have nothing to do with a canon.

>>29905396
>Why does canon matter?
Why does anything even matter?

>>29905416
>wasn't confirmed but also wasn't confirmed to be not true?
It is confirmed by Celestia herself.
>it didn't matter that much
It makes all the difference in the world.
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>>29905424
Well I should've clarified that until CA it wasn't confirmed. But what difference does it make? What exactly does it contradict? I don't remember anything in the show saying that they were not friends at that time when Celestia saw them being friends (which is also not certain as it could be a month before the Celebration or a year).
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>>29905436
>What exactly does it contradict
Nothing, I never said that, it's actually explains a lot.
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>>29905421
I'm the other anon, the one with the oversights, fyi.
So yeah, I agree, what we talked about is mostly beyond canon and just our interpretations, but if the show states otherwise, you can't go against it. Or, you can't say something in the show works in a different way than how the show itself said it works. That's where canon steps in.
So yes, it's not hard defined, gags and inconsistencies should not be considered canon.
The whole argument is kind of pointless, though, it's not getting us anywhere.
>>29905424
If a third sister suddenly plopping out of nowhere is an animation mistake, why would the M5 hanging out not be the same? Is Maud my headcanon, or is her not being in the show at all prior to Maud Pie the episode my headcanon?

>>29905450
You never actually got around to explain what it explains.
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>>29905421
There's a difference between something like a reference and a gag in the show and what we discuss as canon. Do you take everything literally, like Twilight literally combusting from being angry and not just usage of it as a gag? If something we discuss has been specifially adressed in the show, as in shown explicitly or discussed by the characters, then it's canon. Are we going to argue that tanks and bullets exist in Equestria because Rainbow Dash knows these words or something?
When it comes to something show already adressed there's no room for headcanons. You can have your viewpoint as long as you accept that it's not necessarily shared by other people when discussing the show.
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>>29905466
>If a third sister suddenly plopping out
Twilight's brother suddenly popping out is an animation mistake too? There are things that just never was mentioned before for whatever reason and specifically written dialogue that explains something from the past.

>>29905466
>explain what it explains
There is a whole thread that tries to explain that and more >>29873556
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>>29905515
That's a Rage Shift, Anon. It's explained in Past Sins. ^:)
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>>29905517
We haven't seen Twilight celebrate with her whole family. Shining was never brought up, Maud was outright missing.
That's my point. It's not an animation error, nor a gag, and both of those things can't be canon. It's an oversight, an inconsistency.

And pardon my laziness, but all I see is the same old Celestia has a master plan theory that's been around since 2010, nothing about the M5's relationship, and people who somehow missed that Discord told Twilight that Starlight has to go. I don't really see anything concrete, but I don't have the time right now to read every post.

>>29905515
Well said.
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>>29905424
>Why does anything even matter?
Um, exactly? It's a show for children, enjoy it however the fuck you want.

>>29905515
>Do you take everything literally, like Twilight literally combusting from being angry and not just usage of it as a gag?
Honestly I should be asking you that question. Because what's the difference between a gag and an animation error, and how does that not mean canon? I mean, Derpy was an animation error and look how that turned out.

My point is it's pointless to argue over canon, especially in cases like this where it is heavily debatable when a writer makes something that is unexplained or can contradict things. Therefore headcanon is acceptable in this type of conversation.

But seriously, this whole talk of canon, everywhere, is annoying the hell out of me. Listening to people bitch all the time about EQG, the comics, the books, seriously just watch what you want and pick whatever the hell you want to be canon. Most of the writers don't watch the show anyway, do what you want.
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>>29905355
She's the element because of her Generosity, not her inner magic. Yeah, she has that hidden power that gets unlocked with a really nice hug, but it's not something I'd imagine manifests into her daily life or her overall abilities. Her being an element doesn't give her a better magic, the elements don't give you a buff in any way. They were chosen because they were exceptional in their own way, they didn't become (more) exceptional because they were chosen.
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>>29905583
>Maud was outright missing.
There can be a hundreds of explanations as to why she was missing.

>>29905606
>pointless to argue over canon
You just have to learn difference between animation error and purposely written dialogue.
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>>29905668
And there can be hundreds of explanations for the M5 being seen together, and only few of them involve them being friends. So how come your interpretation is the right one, and mine isn't?
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>>29905668
I don't know why you think I'm the one who doesn't know that difference. I just said animation errors of how absurd it is to be that concerned with canon. When even "purposely written dialogue" has loads of faults. So I guess keep focusing on that less than serious comment when you have bigger problems to deal with.

If you want to play that game, I dare you to establish how much time has past since S1 strictly off of written dialogue. Like how at least a year, almost two has past between S1 and S5, yet Rainbow didn't have tank long enough to know he hibernates.
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>>29905682
Because he wants to be right and doesn't want anyone else to be, nor can tolerate differing viewpoints. Simple as that.
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>>29905692
Kinda figured that is the case. If I wasn't so bored right now I probably wouldn't have even humored him at the start of this shitshow.
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>>29905682
Are you actually retarded? It was not only shown to us but also Celestia herself said that.
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>>29905606
>Derpy was an animation error and look how that turned out
Yes, and she was a gag character, a nod to the fandom that animators inserted everywhere. It was a reference and nothing more. If at that time you'd argue that she's canonically named Derpy it wouldn't be true, and a lot of people argued about her name. Was she the one referenced in WWU for example and so on. But as soon as Rainbow said the word "Derpy" she became an acknowledged in-universe character that is canonically named Derpy and canonically a clutz. Yes it was retconned after but it still happened. And the retcon is now canon whether people like it or not.
>writer makes something that is unexplained or can contradict things
Nothing in CA contradicted what was previously shown. In regards to EQG it was already discussed above, FiM never directly acknowledged EQGverse and contradicts its existance, it is not canon to FiM universe. EQG had FiM universe in it so FiM is canon to EQG, but not the other way around.
>is annoying the hell out of me
Because it's for some reason important to you that it's canon. It doesn't have to be. I enjoy EQG and some comics even though they have literally nothing to do with FiM, just like I enjoy fanfiction and spin-offs. I don't think you should be bothered by it and insist that your point of view is correct. When we are discussing FiM we are discussing what only happened in it, not the extended universe, I don't see how that's a problem at all. I am in no way trying to police what you enjoy but when having a discussion it's presumed that we have an objective common ground that is show canon.
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>>29905714
>Because it's for some reason important to you that it's canon
I think you misunderstood what I meant by that. It's the discussion of whether or not EQG is canon that annoys me, the constant bickering back and forth because someone appeared in the show, or whatever. What I meant was if EQG really shouldn't be canon to you, then don't let it. If you want it to be, let it.

When it comes to show discussion, let me clarify. In the context of show discussion and strictly show, like say the direction of where things are heading, or what's established, yes you're right the common ground is to think of just the show and that's it. But in stuff like this where things are debatable, I feel like it's okay to talk about headcanon and what you feel to offer different unique viewpoints.

I hope that clears how I feel up.
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When will we get a Rarity-Trixie episode? I think that would be a really interesting interaction.

>Glimmer/Twilight convince Trixie to apologize more directly
>She also has to hang out with the other ponies and get to know them
>Rarity forgives her for the green hair and makes a dress/accessory for Trixie
>Trixie is vain, she loves it
>Rarity has basically found a living mannequin

Trixie does have great hair after all. Rarity can work with this.
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>>29905740
>What I meant was if EQG really shouldn't be canon to you, then don't let it. If you want it to be, let it.
The question is why would I want that? It doesn't affect my enjoyment at all.
And the bickering would stop if people would stop making a big deal out of what's canon or not. Why would you want it to be canon? The fact that EQG is just a spin off of FiM doesn't mean it's bad or it's wrong to like it. I'd say it's partially because people insist that EQG is canon this board is so anti-EQG at times.
>But in stuff like this where things are debatable, I feel like it's okay to talk about headcanon and what you feel to offer different unique viewpoints
In matters unclear personal opinions come into play, as long as they are treated as opinions. If the show has direct proof that this opinion is invalid the point no longer stands. I know people like their headcanons and sometimes it's more important to them that the show. Especially if waifu fantasies. But when it comes to the show we have to play on even ground. Just separate the two, don't mix canon and headcanon and you can have it both ways.

I mean I'm not stranger to it as well, like for example I had a lot of theories about Rarity's parents before it was cleared up in S2. I had no problem with it even though had my own headcanon. It was undefined so it was speculation but once it was cleared up it was impossible to ignore. Imagine holding on to these headcanons to this day, being left out of any discussion concerning her family. That's just denial. I still love Simply Rarity though, fucking cried bitch tears the first time I read it back in the day, feels silly now

And I'm sure dashfags and applefags will deny whatever their family episodes will be. I can't say I'm not looking forward to that glorious fallout.
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I just wish the show were more auteur-driven and had a consistent creative vision throughout rather than being cobbled together slapdash by the clueless hack of the week.
I'm not even a Faustfag: anybody with a coherent idea of how MLPFIM ought to be and the will to keep the writers and artists in line would do.
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>>29904633
I love that running gag. I'm glad he took my request.
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>>29906019
It should've been that right from the start. However there's no saying what the show would've been. It would surely not be this long. And whether or not I disagree with its direction sometimes I don't want it to be over.
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>>29906019
That's probably the biggest "what if" scenario of the show. I hope that one day when this is all over (>implying), the original show bible with the original ideas will, let's say, accidentally leak.
But hey, at least I've learned who an auteur is!
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>>29905893
>The question is why would I want that? It doesn't affect my enjoyment at all.
Well that's just what I'm trying to say, enjoy what you want.

>>29905893
>Especially if waifu fantasies.
I apologize, admittedly I'm speaking more towards that direction. But yes the show is completely even playing ground.

> Imagine holding on to these headcanons to this day, being left out of any discussion concerning her family.
I don't know, if that's really what you prefer, I'd say don't let anyone stop you so long as you don't try to talk over anyone with that with a conversation of Rarity's family.

>Simply Rarity though, fucking cried bitch tears the first time I read it back in the day, feels silly now
Explain? Is it a fic worth looking uo?
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>>29906772
>I'm speaking more towards that direction
In that regard I myself have a lot of things I prefer my own way. Ironically it is canon that there is no wrong way to fantasize, so with Celestia's blessing anything goes. I cannot condemn anyone for creating their own interpretation, as enjoyment trumps everything when it comes to such a deeply personal thing.
>Is it a fic worth looking uo?
I liked it back in 2011 but now it's probably just my nostalgia speaking, it's hard to take it that seriously now. At least it's pretty short.
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>>29904990
>I plan to treat it as just a background gag
They all knew each other in the first episode.
>>29904922
>They didn't really hang out before that
Pure headcanon. Considering they knew each other before Twilight came in and were friendly to each other, it heavily implies that they were all friends before Twilight came in.

They weren't learning much about each other in S1, Twilight was. They were at most still ironing out some quarks.
>>29904431
You hardly see anyone in the CmC. Fluttershy and Dash are easily the longest of friends, but there is no reason to suggest that Rara and Jack never knew each other until Twilight came. Judging by Rara's parents, and that Jack only knew her regardless of the rainbow, it implies that she knew her before she knew the others. They have no reason to be enemies, but were all friends, so it makes more sense that they were old friends.

Friends most definitely get mad over basic shit. I know people who have fought with their best friends over stupid shit, they always make up, but it happens.

She was mad over her being dirty and forcing Rarity to get dirty as well. Apple Jack was mad that Rarity was putting more care in cleanness than getting things done. AJ is stubborn as was Rarity. Makes since that they'd fight.
>mud pony
Don't be a jackass.
>Already proven wrong
Hardly. She lives in a cloud mansion that's hardly within Ponyville's bounds, if at all. At most it depends on the episodes, like Fluttershy's cottage which is shown to be on the boarder of the forest, but at times within the towns boarders.
>Except we do not know, you have nothing to back this up with other than assumptions and headcanons.
Which is all you have to dispute it.
>>29905239
>The scene was obviously made for time-constraint reasons.
Always nice when someone tries to dismiss something because they don't agree. I'm sure a comic will have proven one of us wrong, but people will ignore it claiming non-canon.
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>>29905293
>Her "gem finding" is a cutie mark related talent, not magic
Didn't Twilight specifically say that it was a spell? That would literally prove that it is indeed magic.>>29905331
>The show will only contradict your amazing headcanons
This.
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>>29905424
>It is confirmed by Celestia herself.
This. The first episode had them all as friends too. Twilight was the only one who didn't know or hang out with any of the group.
>>29905466
>If a third sister suddenly plopping out of nowhere
>>29905517
>Twilight's brother suddenly popping ou
Retcons like this is exactly why that line in the first movie does nothing to make it less canon.
>>29905668
>There can be a hundreds of explanations as to why she was missing
Such as? The flashback showed only two sisters, and Maud isn't much older than Ponks.>>29905682
>And there can be hundreds of explanations for the M5 being seen together, and only few of them involve them being friends
>bait
Celestia confirmed that Twilight was the wheel in their group.
>>29905692
>>29905698
Not everyone who disagrees is just looking to fight, idiots.
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>>29907060
>Not everyone who disagrees is just looking to fight,
>Immediately follows up by calling them idiots
>"But I'm not looking to fight"
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>>29906855
Well I just gave it a read anyway. I found it very sweet, and I think I can definitely see why you liked it, but for me I just think it's too much. I feel like there are a bit too many fanfics of people trying to give characters a depressing history, and it's definitely not exclusive to Rarity. I remember one group of people I spoke to prior to Flutter Brutter were convinced Fluttershy came from either a loud family or an abusive one.

Even before knowing her parents I hoped that she just came from a normal family, and I'm glad it turned out that way. I think you can definitely see how she grew up in that environment, and I find that really sweet.
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In other news, I've finally got around to reading the latest Monochromatic fic. I must say I really enjoy the Princess Rarity AU he's got going on, it's cozy.
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>>29907027
>Didn't Twilight specifically say that it was a spell?
Did she?
And if it is just a spell then anyone can use it.

>>29907060
>Such as?
She was somewhere else at the time? There are literally hundreds of reasons to be missing from one flashback. And how do you know how old she is?

>Not everyone who disagrees is just looking to fight, idiots.
They have nothing to contribute in this discussion so they just pretend to be far over this "pathetic" topic and back to circlejerking.
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>>29907125
Estee made an interesting backstory to how Rarity got her boutique. It's a bit harsh, about as much as you'd expect from a very young pony buying her own store, but I find it well thought out and mostly show friendly.
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>>29907153
>Did she?
Yes. In one of the S4 episodes I believe. She says to Spike that she learned the spell from Rarity, which is stupid as it makes her "talent" generic.

Bullshit. That was filly Pie, and Maud is around her age. For one, she was just getting her degree, which would make her in her early or mid twenties, which is how old the M6 are. Two, she looks like the other young adults, and nothing like the older ponies.

This discussion is nothing but a shitstorm at this point. He contributed as much quality as the rest of you have. We should end it at this point as we aren't changing each other opinions and we're only pissing people off and going the way of the SSG.
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>>29907157
I'll see if I can find it then. Are there any other really recommended Rarity fanfics?
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>>29907125
Yeah, it was a product of its time, exploring a lot of darker themes and giving the show a more grim context, but at least without going too much OOC. Fluttershy was a prime target for that as well.
Her actual family was pretty fun in the show and explained some of her traits, I think it was handled really well.
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>>29907173
>Maud is around her age
Even if she is what difference does it make? She still could've been playing with her friends (rocks), visiting some relatives or something.
>she looks like
Twilight Velvet looks like anyone from m6 but I believe that she's much older, or is she?
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>>29896781
Rara edit of this?
>>29901366
>>29901391
More?
>tfw pics like this make me want to write related stories
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>>29907250
more squish or more biped rarara?
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>>29889063
Why do you guys like her?

She's a materialist bitch.

She guilty spike into giving the fiery heart ruby

She knows that Spike have a crush on her and have exploited for her own needs.

She like guys for shallow reasons.

She literally filtrated with every colt and stallion

So basically she the offspring Scarlett O'Hara from Gone with the Wind and Real Desperate House Wives.

You must be a huge faggot for likening her.
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>>29907173
Well Twilight steals the spell right in the episode it's introduced. That was a really cheap solution for the episode (and it also doesn't make sense, why exactly the way with the most gems is the right one?), but considering it's the element of magic I don't mind her copying the spell so quickly overall, that's kinda her thing.
So to backtrack all the way before we started shitflinging about canon, that was already one of the first steps where magic started losing its magic. They took something that was unique and turned it into something common in the matter of like 10 seconds, and it foretold that the show won't go the way of visible unique magical talents for unicorns.

>>29907213
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/367177/tricks-of-the-trade-show This is the one I've been talking about. Monochromatic is The Raritwi shipfic writer, but he writes both characters in an enjoyable way. I don't have any real recommendations other than that, if you want a certain ship there are fimfic groups for that, and most of the stuff I read is just short oneshots.
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>>29907269
not attractive at all.
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>>29907268
>this barely even understandable English
pack it up folks, everyone stop likening the dress horse right the fuck now because she filtrates
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>>29907240
>this straw grasp
Fuck, the other anons were right that you're just too proud to admit that you were mistaking. They retconned Pinkie to having a third spergy sister and Celestia confirmed that Twilight's friends were friends before Twilight came into the scene.
>I believe that she's much older, or is she?
Possibly. Either way, it's the compiled evidence that suggests that she's not much older than the other. Certainly not ten or so years older.
>>29907257
Both of course.
>>29907268
>bait
>>29907269
Then it's retconned into Rarity teaching her the spell. She was never that good before. To struggle to learn a stash spell, but be able to steal a gem spell the second you see it is shit writing.

I agree. They're piss poor at writing in general, but have no clue as how to pace the progression of someone.
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>>29907278
Filter.
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>>29907278
>this barely even understandable English

Who are you quoting?
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>>29907293
>newfag doesn't know how the arrows work
kek. Not him, but fuck off.
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>>29907268
I'm sorry I am not of understand you cyкa
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>>29907308
lewd
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>>29907308
>swampthing loves Rara
I can live with this ship.
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>>29907323
It's always Rarity who gets dirty.
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>>29889063
rape
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>>29907268
>All this broken english

Slavshit detected.
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>>29907354
prove it.
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>>29907368
Your damage control is about the only proof needed.
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>>29907279
>you're just too proud to admit that you were mistaking
Different anon.
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>>29907402
RarityDash is that you?
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>>29907425
You're sure acting like the same guy, anon.
>>29907354
Now wait a minute, he could be a taco.
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>>29907551
>Now wait a minute, he could be a taco

How can you tell?
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>>29907590
They also have shit English.
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>>29907596
So both Slavs and Mexicans have the shitiest English.
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>>29907446
Is that someone I should know?
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>>29907613
If you don't count Engrish, yes, Slavs and spics have the worst. I've just seen more Mexicans than other Central/South Americans.
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RaraDash is the most pleb shipping i've ever seen
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>>29907634
Worse than AppleDash?
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>>29907613
Out of all Europeans, Slavs generally have the shittiest english.
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>>29907620
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIR4L71pMu0fqO1YhnjgTDg
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>>29907634
It's not a battle you can win.
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>>29907642
You mean Flutter Dash.
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>>29907701
>blind commentary
get the fuck out of here with this trash
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>>29907701
The fuck is this shit
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>>29907709
Theirs at least makes some sense because of the childhood friend and conflicting personalities. Of course I mean Dash being an assertive bitch and Shy as a worthless doormat. All Dash needs to do is glare at her and she's be getting her carpet munched.
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>>29907701
>blind commentary of fangames and movies
You fags stole all of the best Rara reactions.
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>>29907721
>>29907722
>>29907752

Why do you guys hate his channel?
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>>29907723
I still don't see it.
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>>29907634
Why Samurai Jack?
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>>29907797
Reaction videos and blind commentary is the most pointless cash grabbing lazy trash you can shit out on youtube.
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>>29907797
See >>29907817 Also, it's just silly to have such shit.
>>29907798
It's very shitty and a stupid ship, but it makes the most sense out of them all.
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If you could have anything for breakfast, what would it be?
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>>29907634
FOOLISH SAMURAI

Everyone knows Rarijack is the most pleb m6 pairing
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This is the best pairing.
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>>29907968
Nightmare Rarity has made me interested in the comics.Are they worth reading?
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>>29907298
>doesn't recognise "who are you quoting"
>calls the other guy a newfag
Anon, please.
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>>29908003
Mainline FiM comics up until issue 24 or so are pretty good.
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>>29908003
Stay away from the EQG X-Mas special for it will make you lose your soul.
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>>29908003
No. It suffers from the same problem every other MLP comic has. That being: Cool concept, horrible execution. You're better off finding a fic.

In a nutshell, it was littered too much with focus all over the place, on Luna, Spike, the Mane 5, Rarity, the execution of it was horrible (rather than being a corrupted Rarity, it was basically just Rarity used as a vessel so what even is the point?) it had about 4 issues that felt like nothing but buildup to something that never came.

Skip it, just enjoy the art.
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>>29907634
>>29907956
The most pleb shipping is anything that isn't at least an explicit attraction for one side, and isn't aggressively shot down by the other. All intra-M6 pairings fail this test.
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>>29908100
>This would place Sparity as a high-tier ship
Get the fuck out
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>>29908197
Because it is the best ship for her. Spike will pull and Amy and end up pounding that ass.
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>29908205 (You)
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>>29907968
I need Nightmarity with Nightmare Sweetie
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>>29908222
Yes, you are replying to >>29908205 You know it's correct though.
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>>29908253
Rarity has made it obvious she doesn't see Spike as a romatic intrest.
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>>29908282
That's because he's a child. Also, you clearly have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Do E.U.P. outfits actually reference some specific uniforms? They are all amazing but Rarity's outfit is just the best, it suits her so well.
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>>29908362
It's basically a West Point Cadet-style marching band uniform
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>>29908362
Wasn't that just the one guy's uniform? Do they all look like that?
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>>29908380
That seems pretty close, thank you. Do you by chance know the inspirations for other ones as well?
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>>29908362
>>29908500
More of this Rarity in uniform.
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>>29908479
>Do they all look like that?
I would certainly hope so, considering what the word "uniform" means.
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You know, for the longest time I thought Rarity's special talent was finding gems. As a filly, her horn dragged her to the gem-filled rock, right? This caused me to believe Twilight was OP because she outright copied it.

But then I noticed exactly when Rarity got her mark. It wasn't when she discovered the gem-finding spell, it was after she designed the fabulous costumes for the play.

I'm glad I realized this, because it clears a lot of things up. I always wondered, why can Celestia raise the sun AND moon, when Luna (perceivably) can only raise the moon? I had assumed her special talent was raising the sun, so it seemed unfair that she could also do Luna's talent. But it seems that magic is not directly tied to cutie marks. The reason Celestia and Luna have their marks must be because they know how best to take care of their respective celestial bodies. But they both have very powerful magic, so I'm sure Luna could also raise the sun if she needed to.

Twilight Sparkle is still OP, btw. But not because of copying cutie mark spells, because it doesn't work that way.

But the question remains... Why did Rarity's horn drag her to the rock?
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>>29908479
E.U.P. outfits are pretty different, at least what we've seen of them. Twilight got to wear that sick pilot jacket with shades.

>>29908516
It's so sexy. Fucking heels on hooves, man.
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>>29908551
>officers never have different uniforms
youngfag, please go.
>>29908569
That's right. They were both different officers, right?
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>>29908362
Twilight Sparkle's is a Top Gun reference. At least, I always assumed that. I haven't actually seen the movie.
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>>29908577
Pinkie, Flutters and AJ represented some historic figures as well. It's definitely not just regular uniforms.
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>>29908602
Aren't they for different branches, like AJ is the E, Rara is the U, and Twilight is the P? I was wondering if they were officer uniforms, or just for the members in general.
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>>29908362
>Rarity's outfit is just the best
I agree. It always kinda bothered me that Rarity called it "unattractive." But you know, maybe she just wears it well. I am trying to imagine it on other ponies, and I don't think it would look as good.
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>>29908615
Each uniform was worn by an important Wonderbolt. https://youtu.be/OjdOoN8LdJY
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>>29908594
Douglas MacArtur is pretty close to this, especially seeing the decorations. He was in the Rainbow Division during WW1.
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>>29908645
I remember now. So, does that mean the shit that they wear during their shows is what the grunts wear? Is Spitfire the highest of the low?
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>>29908632
Rarity is just judging from modern high fashion standpoint. Interesting how these outfits have so many details and have pants and such, unlike frivolous designs of modern equestria.
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>>29908632
It isn't very attractive for most people. I just happen to find girls in uniforms hot.
>>29908728
Just makes me want a spin-off, or special of the old days of Equestria with these people.
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>>29908674
I think nowadays Wonderbolts wear something like a sport uniform and it makes sense, E.U.P. isn't really a thing now. I still don't know the hierarchy of modern Wonderbolts though.
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>>29908770
Except they are when you consider the guard. Seems like the lack of war has made them more showponies than anything else as the alternate timeline showed them in actual battle armor.

Spitfire is on top at least, with Fleetfoot and probably Soren under her. That or they're her top people.
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>>29908767
I'd watch a spin-off about that. And something about pre-princess era as well. Equestria's history is pretty interesting, it's begging for at least a special.
Girls in uniform is my weak spot as well
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>>29908569
Heels on hooves trigger my autism for some reason. Not knocking the people who like it (and Rarity can make anything look great), but I mean... They're already walking on their toes with their heels up, you know?
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>>29908790
All them showponies grown too soft, Equestria needs a good war again.
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>>29908561
Rarity's special talent is finding and exemplifying the hidden beauty in things. Finding gems is part of that.
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>>29908811
That's how I feel about the show in general. The writers spend too much time on the mane6 that they don't flesh out the rest of the characters or world. Shame that it's limited by being a kids show. Saved.
>>29908841
Well, Dash, Maude and Pie were all shown in the war while none of the Wonderbolts were. Perhaps they got killed in the initial attack because of their softness. Also, am I the only one who would like to know more about how none rainbow Ponks managed to get her poof and become a ruthless killer like Shy?
>>29908850
That sounds like shit, but it is true.
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>>29908826
Part of the appeal is how ridiculous it is, really.
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>>29908826
>Rarity can make anything look great
But can she make green look great on her?
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>>29908930
Not when the Great and Powerful is around.
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>>29908862
>Well, Dash, Maude and Pie were all shown in the war while none of the Wonderbolts were.
Sure they were. We saw Spitfire and Soarin pretty clearly. They weren't in their regular Wonderbolts uniforms, but they still bore the 'bolts insignias.

>>29908930
Green isn't her color.
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Rarity just goes well with uniforms, no matter which Rarity and what uniform.
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>>29908946
Guess you're right. I didn't recognize them in those outfits. Makes me wish that S6 was Twilight trying to fix all of those timelines. It would have given her and Glim an understandable bond, and could have let Spike grow as a character while building the world and other characters.
>tfw Dash has a metal wing
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>>29908976
As edgy as it all was it's been at least an insight on the militaristic side of Equestria, something we don't see every day, or rather at all.
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>>29908971
>based
>>29909002
I'd hardly call it edgy considering it never actually showed people die. Granted the Changeling one did imply that everyone, a child including, died. I do enjoy seeing that the Princess is actually powerful when need be. Shame she's like the Federation and was only knocking them off instead of something that hasn't been shown before.
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>>29908862
>That's how I feel about the show in general. The writers spend too much time on the mane6
Sorry, I really can't agree with this. The current writing staff gives fuck all about the Mane 6, and it's really depressing. I watch the show because I want to see them, not some new character fucking nowhere. The map episodes are garbage because they should be fleshing out the Mane 6 when they don't.

If anything I feel like they already do what you're saying "fleshing out the rest of the characters or world". They just suck at it.
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>>29909506
>. I watch the show because I want to see them, not some new character fucking nowhere.
I agree, but they've beat them into the ground so much that they're still redoing episodes from earlier seasons. I'd like to see something else added into the mix. A different location is just as good as another character to throw them off guard. Maybe having an overarching plot would work, but it just seems like they've become stale with the mane6.

Possibly. The talented writers are already gone.
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>>29908362
I'm getting a US circa 1812 vibe from raras uniform and AJs looks more Mexican-American war era, either could also have some Prussian influence. Keep and mind this is kind of hard to peg down as uniforms from that era not only vary by nation but also by regiment.
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>>29909559
I feel like the only reason they got stale was because they're doing the same thing with the Mane 6. Like, how we get nothing but Rarijack over and over. I feel like that's what's making it stale. Where's the Raritwi? Where was the Raripie until S6? They're just stale because they don't do new things.

On paper, the map episodes were exactly what the show needed. Mane 6 pony bonding while showing more new areas of Equestria? Perfect, sign me up that sounds like the show needed that. However it's just so poorly organized and used it falls flat on its face, and no one gets what they want.
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>>29909578
Yeah. AJ's looks like a Spanish American War era while Rarity's looks like civil war at the latest.
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>>29909593
Which is where fleshing out the other characters could work. They've done so in the comics with the Rara/Trixie comic, and the Rara/Babs comic. They've even made the attempts by putting Daring Doo with Dash. I wouldn't mind seeing Octavia interact with the Ponytones.
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>>29909594
If we're talking officers I can definately see it for AJ, but the shako was largely abandoned in favor of more french looking designs, Except for officers of course, whom were somewhat unique. Found some marines with a very rara flair.
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>>29909639
Yeah, Rara does remind me of a French officer now that you mention it. AJ still reminds me of an older American design though.
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>>29909652
Above pic was US marines during the Mex-Amer war, note the rifles, there is a small metal bar in the stock below the action, this shows them to be springfield muskets, the last to be commissioned by the US. AJ however looks very Span-Amer war with that cap, of course she could be more of a Prussian officer or even Danish, dark blue with a peaked cap was a popular choice.
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>>29909677
I know, AJ reminds me of the SpanisAmerican war uniforms. I can't comment on the others as I'm not up to date with military uniforms.
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>>29909709
>I'm not up to date with military uniforms.
That would fly one hundred years ago.
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>>29909713
Sorry, anon. I just haven't seen them recently. I like the older European uniforms, Prussian and French, but it's been too long for me to remember the small details.
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>>29909614
Okay, I can see that if it still involves the Mane 6, but truthfully I just don't think the show has done all that much M6 stuff as it could have.

I feel like there really needs to be more M6 group episodes, together. Like Saddle Row. I don't feel like they do it enough and instead focus too much on certain pairings.
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>>29909801
>I just don't think the show has done all that much M6 stuff as it could have.
This is where I agree to a degree. I believe they could do more things, but they've already started running dry with what they can do with them. Perhaps if this wasn't a kids show they could put them in more mature situations, but I feel as though I know almost everything I can of the mane6.

Would be nice to see a move from Ponyville to another area for a few episodes at least. Possibly have them explore some other places in Equestria, or even other countries.
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I wish the show would explore how she became so passionate about fashion, I'd love to see an episode about that.
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>>29910114
Didn't that happen in the flashback?
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>>29908362
I always liked how this uniform show her cutiemark.
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>>29909801
What bugged me about SRR is that it was a M6 episode but it wasn't really. All the ponies had some role to play but they barely interacted with each other. They had a designated role but ultimately they were on their own. If we take something like WWU, it was similar but Twilight interacted with them all and it was these interactions that brought out their characters. In SRR Rarity was just locked away. I know it was needed for the interview thing but at the same time she's just written off so the characters can have their own time.
I dunno, it doesn't seem like it's a big deal but it's been bugging me lately. People say that M6 interactions are all but explored but did the group really have all the chances to shine? And regarding 2-3 pony interactions I agree with >>29909593 in that the map episodes fell absolutely flat. It's forced, it's unnatural and it doesn't mean anything to the characters. Avoiding the setup to the situation brings episodes like Hooffields and McColts where the character pair is fresh but they completely lack personal involvment in the matter.
I know we probably can't get another LBYS without repeating it and it's a shame. But in fleshing out other characters I don't want M6 to be forgotten just yet, as a group and as a pairs that didn't get enough attention in their time.
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>>29909727
I kid anon, noone pays attention to them anymore.
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Rara a cute.
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>>29911565
As for M6 episodes that's how it usually goes. You can't handle all six at once for everyone to get equal representation without it looking forced and fit it in 22 minutes. You either get something on the nose like the pilot, or "M6 but not really" like SRR, Cutie Map, and even WWU. WWU doesn't have interactions between the M6 aside from few lines of dialogue, it's just Twilight going to her friends one by one. Not that it's inherently bad, but it doesn't fit the bill here.
So you can't have the whole gang there and expect some serious fleshing out or character development for each of them, you'd need the movie for that. Working with just pairs is much better, although the friendship map really doesn't help the matters. Instead of the ponies being invested themselves (solve the problem because they want to), they're just being moved around to solve the problem because otherwise they won't be able to sleep due to their butts glowing and vibrating all night. Made in Manehattan and Griffonstone, thanks to introducing a character we already knew, avoided that issue. But Hooffields, Las Pegasus, Spice Up Your Life, and I'd say even Top Bolt even though there was some motivation on Dash's side, fell flat.
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>>29908946
Ironically the right shade of green (i.e. closer to turquoise) can work quite well on her. Now orange on the other hand...
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>>29912143
I mean there are episode where it's just 2-3 characters at all times and there are ones that have all M6. Something like Dragonshy had a lot of different interactions, and in WWU Twilight did interact with all of her friends as well. While in SRR they basically have their own things to worry about and that's about it.

MiM was kind of an odd one, I think it worked well because it avoided the typical Rarijack "polar opposites" cliches and focused on what both of them can contribute in their own field without forcing a conflict between them. Las Pegasus did also re-introduce Flim&Flam and it was a fun episode but yeah, it was a bit flat. Top Bolt was somewhat like MiM, little intercharacter conflict and more working together, playing on the strong sides of both ponies. It was pretty good but not just because of interactions. Dash shined a lot more in Rarity Investigates, and her relations with Twilight got fleshed out more in Testing, although I did enjoy seeing them on a level field, they can be a really strong combo if used right, almost like with Rarity.
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>>29912176
>when you have to dye your cat for your Nightmare Night costume but it's OK because you're a unicorn so you can use your vile sorcerous powers to do it from across the room so you don't get clawed or splashed
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>>29912183
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Top Bolt, but for different reasons. Twilight and Dash had a disagreement on how to approach the Vapor/Sky situation, which was nice, but at its base it was another "do this because you're told to" map episode. You're right though, for RD and Twilight Testing was much more groundbreaking and important, Top Bolt only expanded on the ideas.
MiM was unique in the total lack of conflict, once they found out what Coco's problem was it was pure cooperation, everyone was reasonable, and I liked how they asked and answered the question "Why can't Twilight just fix this in a snap?"

>>29912181
Hasbro really needs to update their stock vectors, holy shit. That horn on Rarity, those eye shapes, and Pinkie is actually turning into a rat with that snout.
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>>29912313
Yes, Top Bolt wasn't bad but it wasn't really amazing either and I feel it is the map's fault.
MiM didn't fall flat because even thought the map sent them, they had to help an old friend and they were personally interested in doing it, at least Rarity was. And, indeed, it was pretty good to see exactly why it had to be Rarity and AJ. It's that kind of cooperation I wish to see more, highlighting the friendship as more than just something that map tells them to do.
Generally I think the map restricts the plot too much and enables lazy writing. Something like PPOV where the whole episode is basically a giant setup outright wouldn't happen if we still followed the map system closely. Luckly it seems that it's fading away, at least the first 8 episodes of S7 are safe.
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>>29912313
>>29912434
I think it's a little off-base to say that the mane 6 are simply doing these friendship missions because they're told to. These are all problems that they would solve voluntarily if they knew they existed. Yes, sometimes a pony is a little hesitant because they had other plans or they don't like the location, but they always get personally invested in the issues.

I personally think the cutie map and friendship missionaries are a great addition. It gives the ponies a reason to explore the world, which also gives more plot ideas and themes that wouldn't work in Ponyville or other familiar locations. It also presents a challenge of creative problem solving for the M6. I like seeing what they do when brought to these situations.
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>>29911565
>I dunno, it doesn't seem like it's a big deal but it's been bugging me lately.
Nono I agree. Absolutely. I feel like the problem is the writers are saying "We've done everything with the Mane 6, right?" when they absolutely haven't even come close.

>I don't want M6 to be forgotten just yet, as a group and as a pairs that didn't get enough attention in their time.
Me too. I'm really worried for the movie, I hope it's about the M6, but it looks like so far it'll be about the celebrities with the Mane 6 as a supporting cast, as if it was one big map episode.

>>29912434
>Luckly it seems that it's fading away, at least the first 8 episodes of S7 are safe.
Yeah, but the map didn't appear until what, episode 13 of S6? It would really bother me if the map stays for 3 seasons, that would make it the longest gimmick kept in the show, when it's the worst one.
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>>29912465
The map in itself isn't the problem, it's how it's used.
The only new location the map allowed us to see was Griffonstone. Smokey Mountains weren't anything to write home about, it's a typical nowhere, and Las Pegasus wasn't even shown that much. Other than that, its Manehattan two times and Canterlot. At the same time without the map we also visited a lot of places, like Dragonlands and that place in PPOV.

It's true that some interesting plot points can arise from just figuring out what the problem even is, like Las Pegasus, and I do like that approach. And ponies do get invested sometimes, again like in MiM. I just worry that it can be used to just drop them onto the point and say "here, fix this" without any previous explanations and getting the viewer invested in the plot as well.
Something like MiM could've been done without the map, for example just visiting Coco. And Top Bolt could be Twilight accompanying Dash or maybe Dash just asking for Twilight's help seeing the problem.

Ultimately I think it all comes down to execution, as we had both good and bad map episodes.
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>>29912519
>celebrities
That's another thing. Are they really giving AJ's parents celebrity voices? What the hell is that all about, introduce the parents just for one episode and then forget about them? I don't get it.
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>>29912465
Well yes, generally speaking they wouldn't just let the other ponies be miserable out of goodness of their hearts. But they would never come across them.
The problem is, as >>29912434 said, the map enables lazy writing. You don't have to come up for the reason why things are happening, they just are. Why? Because a higher power, the map, which doesn't answer to anyone and works simply because it does, said so. When you can't come up with an answer to "Why are Rarity and Pinkie in Canterlot together?" better than "Because a map told them to go", that's just laziness.
That applies double on MiM when Twilight's sad that she can't go visit Manehattan with the gals. Why exactly not? She wants to and nothing is holding her back. Nobody said she had to intervene with the mission, they could've just rented a hotel room together or something. What would happen if they went against the map's orders?

>>29912519
The movie is about the M6 wandering and meeting all the new characters (songs probably included) and helping them defeating Tirek 2.0. Don't expect some great characterization, it's an adventure movie, the M6 will be briefly introduced and then it's onto exploring the world. That's what I'm expecting from what we know so far.

>>29912613
Are they? Was that confirmed? I know some names for new VAs have been thrown around, but I don't recall someone confirming the roles they had.
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>>29912605
Agreed, execution is a problem here. While I liked the conflict of the Hoofields and the McColts, the resolution was pretty unsatisfying and the animals were basically deus ex machina.

However, I think MiM worked because there was no good reason for Rarity and AJ to go to Manehattan together. If Rarity had seen that problem and could choose to bring someone to help, she'd likely have chosen Twilight. The solution to that problem required some insight that none of the characters had, thus the need for the Divine Table.

>>29912724
Don't blame the map for lazy writing. You can get that even without the map. Furthermore, I think the map gives a good opportunity to explain the "why" of an episode through it's resolution. Normally, we'd see the problem brewing in the sequence before the intro or something, but here we get to watch the ponies figure it out on their own. It's a different kind of problem solving, and I find it interesting to watch.

>>29912613
>celeb voices
Yes. It is confirmed that AJ's parents will have celebrity voices. They are William Shatner and Felicia Day.

I am really looking forward to the father. I guess the mother will do okay. She'll probably be a really sweet character, so that will be good. They're certainly an odd choice as a couple, though...
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>>29912760
The map itself is lazy writing. There's no explanation behind how it works and it's just there to provide an excuse so the writers can use their ideas without needing to think of the hows and the whys. Even in MiM the excuse is weak, because AJ and Rarity are sent somewhere simply because an omniscient magical map told them to. It allows you to skip setting up the scene and giving your characters motivations. The Orange cousins live in Manehattan, they could've simply share a trip, Rarity to visit Coco, AJ to visit her family. Coco complains, Rarity shares her problems with AJ and from there on out it's the same episode.
Instead of thinking of legitimate reasons the writers can just use the map. The map knows all and nothing can question it. And yes, it doesn't do as much harm in an episode like MiM because it was solid all around, but it also allows Hoofields to get greenlit even though almost the whole episode is crap.
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>>29912760
Yes, I agree that the map can give us a lot of very specific pony pairs, perhaps underused if they choose to. It just needs to be well done. And execution is a problem all around the board, not only with the map episodes of course. I would still prefer the more natural approach. Some bullshit reasons for visiting locations are bad, but the map itself is a pretty bullshit reason to begin with. And also a reason for some characters to not visit as well. I felt sad for Twilight when she missed out on so many things in S5 just because of that map. And then people say that she's been slacking, well no shit, she's not allowed to do anything fun when she's the one who's most excited about the map in the first place.
>the map gives a good opportunity to explain the "why" of an episode through it's resolution
That's a good side, however in meta sense any two characters can be written to suit it. Something involving a very special talent like talking to animals is of course unique, but more general stuff is debatable.
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>>29911565
>>29912143
>>29912434
>>29912828
>>29912868
Some paragraphs please?
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>>29911565
>pissed ponks is best ponks
I loved her little reactions in this episode.
>>29912519
>>29912613
>>29912760
Aren't there parents supposed to be dead? How the fuck can these new faggot writers make such a change?
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>>29912897
>waah I can't read unless every sentence is its own double spaced paragraph
Stop being ridiculous.

>>29912905
It was merely implied with the two falling stars, never said. And who knows, maybe it'll be a flashback and they will be confirmed dead. I don't think we know yet.
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>>29912915
>i can't be assed to press the enter button
Fuck off.

It was implied and intended by Faust. In fact, it makes more sense for them to be dead as they left their kids and elderly parent alone for many years. I would have liked a lesson for kids who don't have parents.
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>>29912915
Even if it's a flashback we still have RD parents who are not dead for sure.
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>>29912937
But I do press it. Exactly once every time ^:)
But yes, that's all it is, implied, intended, so on. I mean, at this point it's all but said that they're dead. Yet still it's not said, so technically speaking if they want to reintroduce AJ's parents coming home from a 5 year long vacation, they can. It would not make sense, more like it would be outright retarded as fuck, but it can happen. I personally hope it will be a flashback and instead we will finally get the confirmation that her parents are dead, but I'm not sure if that's not too mature for Hasbro to approve it.

>>29912945
I'm interested in what their designs will be since they're saying that one stallion with the rainbow mane wasn't Dash's dad, even though I'd bet at that time he was supposed to be, but they wanted him to look differently so now he's not anymore. Sadly the premise of the episode doesn't really sound compelling to me.
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>>29912915
>maybe it'll be a flashback
It's already confirmed to be a flashback episode, yes, according to the sneak peek at the Toy Fair.
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>>29912971
Oh for fuck's sake, I'm really behind on my pony news.
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>>29912969
Dealing with death is a theme far out of this show but if they are going to push it this is their best bet. Someone who should be important to the characters but who was never brought up and who the viewer has no emotional connection to.
>they're saying that one stallion with the rainbow mane wasn't Dash's dad
That's because he's the one who wants to be the Rainbow Dad himself, obviously.
>the premise of the episode doesn't really sound compelling to me
It's probably gonna be another cringefest starring RD and it's pretty sad.
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>>29913006
The only person to ever say Blaze was Rainbow's dad, aside from the fandom, was a writer for Enterplay (a third-party licensee). And they weren't even allowed to put it on their Rainbow Blaze card back in 2014.

His design was always kind of bland, so I have mixed feelings about it. Shame about all the incest smut that will be rendered void by this episode, though.
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>>29912969
Good thing I just ignore your posts.
>>29912971
That's good then. I still enjoyed the mystery of not knowing what they looked like.
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>>29913088
From what I've gathered a lot of people bought that he's the dad, I personally never thought that, too on the nose with the design. I doubt something like a slight retcon will stop incestfags though. Not to mention some people will outright deny it.
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>>29912969
I'm thinking they'll outright ignore the topic of death. They'll show the story of how AJ's parents fell in love, then it will be over. AJ & siblings won't make an appearance in the flashback because they weren't born yet. If we were to get any sort of hint that they died, it would be through dialog in present-day, not during the flashback. Maybe another pair of shooting stars, or Apple Bloom saying something like, "Ah barely knew em, but Ah miss em."

I'm nervouscited for the episode for a lot of reasons. I understand there is to be a song. So I am particularly anticipating the performance of William Shatner. Just how silly will this be? Can they fit all the silliness and heartwarming mush into the same episode? I can't wait.
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I love Rarity.
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>>29913556
We all do, anon. We all do.
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>>29913713
Not really, no, half of this board hates her, sucks to be them I guess.
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>>29913842
I don't think anyone straight up hates any pony here. Or at least I hope so.
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>>29913866
That picture just melts my heart.
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>>29913842
I meant all of us in here.
>>29913866
People actually hate Glim, Shim, Brad, Flurry, etc.
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>>29914075
>Glim
Memehate or memed into hating
>Shim, Brad
>caring about EQG enough to feel emotions about it
>Flurry
You can hate what she stands for, but then you'd have to hate basically half of the show to this date. She didn't do anything herself to warrant any kind of feelings.
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>>29914095
Regardless, there are legitimate autists that hate these characters. It's like the hate of Princess Twilight.
>hating on EQG
I liked RR and thought TFG was decent enough.
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>>29914160
>hating on EQG
Oh no, I really liked RR and FG myself, as well as song specials. I just don't think that giving Flash or Timber any attention is even worth it, since ultimately they mean nothing outside of EQG. It's a nice spinoff but I can't bring myself to care about it more than that. Shimmer is a cool character but I don't get why shimfags even engage in arguments about her in context of FiM, must be false-flagging.
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>>29914263
Kind of sad that even the feminine lady pony has more balls then you.
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>>29914517
Dude, Rarity is fucking SAVAGE. It's hard to match her, don't feel bad.
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>>29914537
I was talking about Spike.
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>>29914559
Well Spike probably doesn't have balls at all, so.
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>>29914075
I like Flurry Heart.
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>>29915545
End yourself.
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>>29915571
Not him, but Flurry is best baby.
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>>29915636
The Cake twins are better.
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>>29915821
>bitch twins that force someone into tears are better than sweet heart
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>>29914075
>Austists actually hate Glim, Shim, Brad, Flurry, etc.
FTFY
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>>29916044
My mistake. Spergs hate a new character because it fucks their headcanon, or they fuck their waifu.
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>>29915855
That wasn't really they're fault, Pinkie was being a shitty baby sitter.
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>>29916090
>they constantly fuck with her, ignore her and treat like shit
The fuckers were just being shits. She should have beat their little asses.
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>>29914095
>Memehate or memed into hating
I really hate this, people acting like Glimmer doesn't have problems. Legit blind rage good? Absolutely not. The recent episodes were both very good. But acting like she doesn't have glaring problems for some people is just dumb. Like notably how she's not friends with the Mane 5 in any way according to the show.

I would accept a Rariglimmer episode though, though that'll never happen.
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>>29916141
>Like notably how she's not friends with the Mane 5 in any way according to the show.
I like this. It shows her differences from Twilight, and that not everyone is compatible. No flaw with this at all. Her problem is being a completely different character, like Shim.
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>>29916175
I don't. I feel it's poor because it causes her to clash with the main cast of the show, and it makes her feel forced in like someone prying something in, rather than being able to naturally blend with the cast. Shimmer works because she acknowledges the Mane 6 together and is believably friends with each and every one of them. As they are the core of the show, characters need to work with them to fit in as well.

Glimmer fails because she doesn't do that. There's the problem, and the difference between Shimmer and her, and why Shimmer works when she doesn't.
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>>29916201
I enjoy the clash. It honestly would make for some good episodes. Issue is the writers are incapable of capitalizing on anything. She could have been the one to clash with the rest and eventually find her own crew, while learning some thing of her own.

Shim made a complete 180, which is where she lost many of her fans. She works as she's a good replacement for Twilight by being smart, nice and feisty when need be.

This is where we disagree, the show will never evolve or improve if everything has to be about the mane6. It should do somethings without them to build up other people/things. This is where we go back to an overarching plot. Having Glimmer constantly clash and be unable to make many friends could drive her back to being a villain for a time. If for nothing else than to allow the real baddy to act.

I like how Glimmer is and like that the show is moving away from the same old while still having it in reserve for when needed.
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>>29916262
>This is where we disagree, the show will never evolve or improve if everything has to be about the mane6.
But this is literally the original core of the show. Changing it would change the show and make it something completely alien to what it was in S1, and that's the problem.

>inb4 something about not accepting change
There's a degree of which where change is acceptable, but sometimes it's just too far. Like if suddenly this became some space opera. You need to keep something core and that was the Mane 6. Making things not about them, or at the very least not about Twilight (bad but better than a new character) drifts away from what the show was.
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>>29916280
No, the original core of the show was Twilight learning and doing things. The mane5 were always in the backround.

That's a terrible analogy. The core was Twilight learning shit. It changed to include the other five and not much will change if they switch to another group. It would have make since for the end of the show and a spin off series. I would prefer if Twilight is kicked out and made a real princess, while Glimmer takes over her role and becomes friends with the others while having her own. It could open up to them all getting more time.
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>>29916309
>No, the original core of the show was Twilight learning and doing things. The mane5 were always in the backround.
>The mane5 were always in the backround.
This is just fucking wrong. Go rewatch S1. If anything, the setup was about Twilight learning shit, but the focus was always on the Mane 6 and what they did together. Why don't you tell me Twilight's contribution to Suited for Success, Sonic Rainboom, Fall Weather Friends, Over a Barrel, Swarm of the Century, need I go on?

>It changed to include the other five and not much will change if they switch to another group.
Except for the fact that everything still involved the Mane 6 in some way, even in S1. Changing it to another group is drifting too far from what it was. Adding characters is one thing, but seperate from the Mane 6? Why not just cancel FiM and make a reboot at that point?

They're called the Mane 6 for a reason, it's not just a nickname.
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>>29916347
It was always about Twilight. Her friends were guests to her episodes. It was about her growing and improving and becoming a princess at the end. Does every single episode follow her? No, but she was the main character. She was in more of Swarm of the Century than the others and a good portion of the others. The episodes ended with her learning the lesson and reporting it. I never said the all had her as the only one with growth. That would make little sense.

Hardly. It's the same problems, different shit. Or the same formula, world, location, character types, different names and appearances.

What did I just say? Show ends and a spin off comes on. They made the attempt for one with EGQ, but they're setting themselves up for one with Glimmer and her gang.
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>>29916096
>babies acting like babies
it's like you've never seen a baby
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>>29916420
Left out the part where they try to off themselves.
The largest threat to a baby is themselves.
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>>29916420
>implying babies have this level of sentience
Fuck off, faggot. My baby cousin isn't mean spirited like this. Nor were any of my cousins or any other baby I've met. Ponks should have spanked their asses.
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>>29916442
They didn't do anything.
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>>29916462
>never saw the episode
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>>29916470
nigga please, I've seen them all.
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>>29916512
Then you need to rewatch it. Those kids were shits the whole episode. Also, any drawfags willing to make a Rara version of this?
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>>29916527
They're infants doing infant things, if anything Pinkie shouldn't have catered to make them laugh, that's just negative reinforcement.
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>>29916540
They're sentient beings that are far more advanced than regular infants. Her issue was not being more strict, but they were still shits.
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>>29916559
They're infants, they don't exactly have the concept of consequences down.
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>>29916565
They clearly had the knowledge of her being unhappy. They knew what was wrong, which is why they did it.
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>>29916382
Really I want you to explain how Rarity was a guest star in Suited for Success and how it was a Twilight episode.

>but they're setting themselves up for one with Glimmer and her gang.
Except they aren't? If you were right, the movie would be about Glimmer and her gang if you think they're setting up for it. They're just shitty and have things all over the place when they should be centering on the Mane 6. And at this rate the movie will be about bird pirates.
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>Rarity thread
>No one talks about Rarity
You all are the worst.
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>>29916578
They stopped when she cried anon, until then they thought it was funny.
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>>29894592
>every fluttershy mans up episode ever
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>>29916587
>to her episodes
Most of the episodes that season were hers, as were the earlier seasons. That was clearly a Rara one, but most are Twilight episodes.

They are. Just because they aren't doing anything with it doesn't mean it isn't there. The S5 finale set them up with a potential special or movie, but they didn't do shit with it. The S3 finale set them up for a different direction with the show, but they didn't do shit with it until S5. They did the same thing with EQG when they pussied out and had Twilight stay in TFG. Will they do shit with Glimmer and a spin off? Probably not, but it's there. That's not a Glimmer problem, but a writer problem.
>>29916604
Fagmuffin, bring up a Rara topic and I'll join in.
>>29916612
Because they realized that she was really upset. That's usually when most people stop.
>>29916616
More sassy Rara.
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>>29900115
>MFW i actually start to hate Marshmellow Pone less everytime she get's episodes with Party Horse.
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>>29916623
Right. It's a writer problem, but still connected with Glimmer, and needs to be adjusted. And I think the way it can be adjusted is by having her spend more time with the Mane 5 and make her blend in with them more.

I would like a Rarity and Glimmer episode for this reason and I think they'd be nice together.
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>>29916657
I do agree that she needs more time with them. Purple had enough time to learn about them and get them to all mellow out more. Glim needs time to find things in common. She was shown to have fun in the S5 ending.

I can see why people would feel like she's fucking things up, but she's a fine idea. The issue is the execution is terrible. Same with all of the above. Another is Zecora which may as well be a myth at this point.

I'd love to see Rara and Glim have a duet like Suited for Success in which they design something. That or them both as detectives.
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>>29916096
I'm not entirely convinced newborn babies have malicious intent. Even smart cartoon babies.
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>>29916693
They seemed to enjoy making her upset until she became miserable. That alone makes Flurry better. Granted Lil AJ was best.
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>>29916698
>implying all toddlers aren't spawns of fucking satan
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>>29916698
They're BABIES. They weren't even a week old. Yeah, there's inconsistencies and the fact that they felt empathy was weird and yada yada. But cut them some slack. They were still learning about the world. They didn't understand right off the bat what "upset" meant, let alone the reason they should feel bad about it. That's like blaming Flurry for nearly damning the Crystal Empire with her irresponsibility. Because she should have been more careful with her newfound magic, right?
They're babies, dude. Best babby contest aside, give them a fucking break.
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>>29916743
>They weren't even a week old.
Yet they knew how to make someone upset and laughed at it. They knew what they were doing was wrong and actively avoided her so they could keep making her mad and laughing. If they were just getting into things and unable to sit still, ok, but they were trying to make her upset.

Flurry had piss poor control over her magic. It was not her fault at all. These babies had control and used it to make someone so stressed that they cried.

I don't hate them because they learned and became more chill, but Flurry was cute, and sweet. Once her magic was contained, she was fine. Until she's an ass too, she's ok.
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>>29916762
>Yet they knew how to make someone upset and laughed at it.
They did not.
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>>29916770
They were laughing at her frustration the whole time.
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>>29916730
Where did the toddler touch you anon?
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>>29916773
They were oblivious to it. They laughed at her silly antics.
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>>29916784
Alright anon. They saw her pissed and sad, laughed and continued. Only when she cried did they try to make right.
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>>29916779
wasn't so much a touch as a punch. needless to say, i hate my cousins now.
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>>29916789
>punched by a baby
>i hate him now
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>>29916788
>they saw her pissed and sad
But what if they had no idea or context of seeing someone pissed and sad? That's not something you automatically know when you fall out of a vagina. Hell, that's not something some people know when they're thirty. Empathy isn't a given and babies get a free pass.
>only when she cried
Well there you go. They could recognize obvious weeping as "this person is in pain, let's help them" and they acted accordingly. So even in your interpretation, they STILL weren't mean-spirited.
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>>29916805
>in the nuts
>by a 5 year old that thought it would be funny, and still tries to do it to this day

Should have phrased that different. I don't hate the little fucker, i'm just not a big fan of him anymore.
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>>29916821
They clearly did as they knew what crying was. Babies aren't fucking stupid and know when you're sad or glad. Why would these more intelligent babies be any different?

They finally felt bad is all.
>>29916827
Get the fuck over it, anon. Kids do stupid shit and fund that as funny as an adult does. Just learn to make the kid stop.

Kick his nuts and show him that it isn't fun.
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>>29916836
>Babies aren't fucking stupid
wew lad
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>>29916897
>cutting off the rest of it
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>>29916836
I was unclear, so let me specify "obvious weeping."
Pinkie was certainly building up through stages of exasperation throughout the sitting. First it was a reasonable frustration, then panic, then more serious stress, then pain. There's probably a better way to mince those stages down but whatever. The thing is, the babies could recognize the last stage: pain. They could hear the sobbing and see the tears. In the earlier stages, could they hear any sobbing? No, because Pinkie was doing her best to stay composed. Could they see any tears? No, because Pinkie wasn't letting any tears freely flow until that last moment.

The reason I'm making such a big deal out of the "obvious" part is because babies need to process the information. They don't have the experience or context (I'm beating the hell out of that word, I know, but it's a key factor) to process subtle information. You're right, they aren't stupid. They do learn very quickly and efficiently, all things considered. But the kids, until that last moment, simply did not learn that lesson. They didn't know what frustration or panic or stress looked like. I'm sure they do now, having seen Pinkie at such a low moment.

Also, if you let a child get on your nerves, then you don't have the restraint to handle them.
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>these fags hating on their younger family members
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>>29896024

Ponies don't exactly HAVE last names. They sometimes can, but it's an entirely different naming system than what we have.
Think how Celestia is just Celestia, or how the Apple family all have different names despite being related.
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>>29917529
>four days too late
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>>29917535
It's never too late to rekindle the old fires. Just like necroposting.
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>>29916604
Shush, this is the most show discussion in one place I've seen probably in a year.
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>>29918094
Seriously? Even in the general?
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>>29918094
In one place yes, but there was suprising amounts of discussion on the board in general this week, I thought for sure the premiere will get memed to hell and that's that.
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>>29918650
Episodes themselves were generic but few right word and the flashback gave us a lots of food for thought.
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>Rarity is so shitty of a pony that people would rather talk about one-off babies than her
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>>29920062
We talk about more than just Rarity in these threads Dipshit.
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>>29908946
>>29908976
That's not Spitfire and Soarin'.
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>>29920180
I like Spitfire, she's a less obnoxious and cunty version of Dash.I wouldn't mind seeing her get an episode.
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>>29920226
>spitfire
>less cunty
>than anyone
wew
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>>29918763
The were generic but I thought they were pretty well executed. Gives me some hopes for this season.
What does that pic reference?
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>>29920226
Indeed. Dash is neither of those, but Spitfire is if Dash had less insecurities.
>>29920274
She really isn't.
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>>29920180
Who else would it be? The colors match.

>>29920226
Spitfire's fucking great. I'm glad we're getting more of her through Dash.
>tfw there's no Rarity and Spitfire pics and the 2 lewd ones on derpi are anthroshit
I didn't expect quality, but I hoped there would be at least something, what the fuck.
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>tfw you'll have to put up with shitty comics if you want secondary characters to interact with the Mane6 for more than 30 seconds.
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>>29920298
Lightning Dust and Soarin' did nothing wrong; they were just in the way of Spitfire's bizarre obsession with Rainbow Dash.
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>>29920371
>fastest flyer in Equestria
>element of harmony and princess's royal maiden
>bizarre obession
kek. She clearly knew that a war was awaiting and needed the best. She wanted LD, but Dash was more important.
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>>29920297
Looks like Journey, that PS3/4 game.

>>29920371
Thank goodness I wasn't the only one that realizes that the Wonderbolts are morally corrupt. Will they ever redeem themselves? In seasons 1 and 2, they were useless. Since season 3, they're also childish jarheads.
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>>29920443
Wonderbolts Academy made it adundantly clear that Lightning Dust was an objectively better flier than Dash and had more potential to be a better Wonderbolt.
Spitfire gave no shits about LD's behavior until Dash issued an ultimatum and forced her to choose one or the other, and she inexplicably chose Dash.
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>>29920474
>childish jarheads
What did Marines ever do to you?
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>>29920371
This image is shit. Spitfire wasn't aware of the tornado being intentional, getting a nickname like that is all part of the hazing that happens with most groups, it's usually what friends do,
and one old corrupt fucker doesn't represent the whole organization. The games part was fucked up, but makes sense when they have a reputation to uphold.
>>29920489
Not exactly. Dash is the only person to do the rainboom. LD may be better at the moment, but it seems implied that Dash as more potential. She's also more well known and has more connections. Being better at flying but a shitty teammate is a horrible combo.

Once again, she wasn't aware of what happened. Dust was an ass that would have got her team killed for her own glory and needed to be kicked.
>>29920474
They aren't morally corrupt, autist. They were stupid in the games, but that isn't enough for morally corrupt.
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>>29920514
>Spitfire wasn't aware of the tornado being intentional
wrong
>Rainbow Dash: That's why I'm here, ma'am. Lightning Dust decided to use a tornado.
>Spitfire: A bit excessive for cloud-busting. But judging from your time, it was obviously an effective tactic.
No fucks given about the possibility of collateral damage or risk to dumbfuck civilians wandering through controlled airspace without advance notice.
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>>29920543
>wrong
>no explanation
Ok.

You should have started with the next bit. She finally found out about it, but was she even aware about the civilians. I don't remember her being in that scene. Only when the other cadets got stuck in clouds, and she didn't see LD do that.
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>>29889063
She's the most romantic character and ironically has the least chances of getting stolen since it's a common gag with her that she's only interested in one shot horrible characters that either aren't interested or act like assholes. I don't think she has any close male friend that show staff could tease with.

She's far from Fluttershy and Discord drama but she also doesnt even have secondary male friendships like Dash has with Soarin, Quibble and Zephyr or Pinkie has with Cheese.

The only male character related to her is Spike and i odn't think his crush on her will ever get developed.
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>>29920594
>The only male character related to her is Spike and i odn't think his crush on her will ever get developed.
>tfw fifty years ago he would have grown up and married her
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>>29920570
It doesn't matter.
Throughout the episode Spitfire praised Lightning Dust's drive to push herself to her limits, so her sudden reversal to kicking Dust out of the Academy for pushing herself too hard and having a minor accident that hurt no one is absurd.
Dash was out of line for telling Spitfire how to run her Academy and should have been allowed to quit.
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>>29920660
>Throughout the episode Spitfire praised Lightning Dust's drive to push herself to her limits
As she should.
>so her sudden reversal to kicking Dust out of the Academy for pushing herself too hard and having a minor accident that hurt no one is absurd
She kicked her out for trying to hurt and sabotage her fellow cadets. That was smart as she would have been the type to sacrifice her fellow soldiers for glory or her own survival.
>Dash was out of line for telling Spitfire how to run her Academy and should have been allowed to quit.
Agreed. Spitfire should have punished her for being leaving the office like that.
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>>29920698
She didn't try to hurt and sabotage them; she just tried to complete her task as quickly as possible.
She stepped on a few hooves in the process, but, again, nobody was seriously hurt, she was encouraged to do so by Spitfire the entire time, and there would be plenty of time to smooth out Dust's rough edges during her (tragically hypothetical) actual Wonderbolt training.
Giving Dust the boot because she wasn't already a perfect Wonderbolt right out of the gate is like a sculptor discarding a marble block because it's not already statue-shaped enough.
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>>29920739
She was content with them getting taken out and let them struggle in the clouds. Point is she cared about herself more than anything else, which is shit for a soldier and an elite unit.

Spitfire encouraged her to push herself, not put others in danger.

You clearly don't know how those unites work. She was given a chance and failed. She was punished accordingly. I'm not saying she shouldn't come back in a later episode with a better personality, but she was right to boot her.
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>>29920773
Spitfire organized the trainees into teams and had them compete against each other.
Spitfire saw the mess LD and RD made of the other teams during the obstacle course, and didn't mind one bit.
LD was presented with an environment where ruthless competition was encouraged and responded in kind.
She put her team first and both her personal comfort and the well-being of the opposing teams second.
She got robbed because Dash's ultimatum made Spitfire change the rules ex post facto.
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>>29920879
Competing is one thing, almost killing people and not giving a shit is another. It seems she was aware of the entanglement, but the fact that LD almost killed 5 people and thought it was cool is enough to have her kicked out.

She was robbed because she was cruel and would be the person who gets people killed for her own advancement or agenda.
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>>29920928
We're arguing in circles because we irreconcilably disagree about Lightning Dust's and Spitfire's motives and the severity of the harm LD may or may not have caused.
I see no reason to continue this discussion.
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>>29921056
>I see no reason to continue this discussion.
kek. I don't either because it's a Rara thread, but that post gets me. Especially when you end it on a comic strip about LD feeling like a failure after the whole ordeal.
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>>29891434
She's the gleaming gold standard against which all little ponies must be measured!
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>>29920879
>She got robbed because Dash's ultimatum made Spitfire change the rules ex post facto.
I thought the same thing when I first saw this episode. I don't think Spitfire objected to LD's methods at all, she was simply put on the spot and was suddenly worried that they were going to lose out on their new up-and-coming celebrity RD, and threw LD under the bus to keep her.
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>>29921271
>Spitfire didn't care about people almost getting killed
Nah. More like she finally saw what was really going on. She realized that LD was doing more than just pushing herself. She didn't give much of a shit about RD until then.
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So, what is everyone doing for the weekend? I'll being doing nothing except maybe vidya and write a bit.
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>>29921643
Playing Persona 5. And if I get a free moment working on my poni RPG
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>>29921668
>Playing videogames
>2017

For what purpose?
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>>29921668
>poni RPG
Explain.
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>>29921805
>For what purpose?
I... don't know how to answer that question.

>>29921854
>Explain.
Nothing to get excited about. At the moment I'm just shitting around in RPG Maker, building a proof of concept and writing down ideas and plans. I'm hesitating between a EQG themed spin-off of Persona, or trying a straight Poni game, but I'm sort of disillusioned with the state of the television show right now.

Also, more Rarity.
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>>29921907
>not having both as separate worlds to travel, like in MoM or overarching plots that crossover to other characters, like RE6
That just makes me wish that we actually had a pony PnP group.
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>>29921907
>I... don't know how to answer that question.
Easy. For entertainment.
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>>29921643
Procrastinating instead of working and drawing. Again.
Dropped all vidya a month ago and never missed it since, but instead I now waste time on 4chan. It's like one addiction takes place after another, holy fuck.
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>>29921969
Where did that name even come from?
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>>29922825
>Procrastinating instead of working
This is me. Post anxiety doesn't help either.

That's what I do. I fool around to much here and don't play vidya.
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>>29921643
Hitting the range and renting a S&W 686 or 627 to see if my 617 is shooting left because I suck at revolvers or because the barrel isn't on straight.
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>>29922844
It's WAY more time-consuming than vidya. Before dropping it completely I was playing for like a few hours a day at best. But here it just never ends. Yesterday I was just writing a few replies before going to bed and suddenly it's 5am. It's almost scary sometimes.
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>>29922892
It is indeed. You should play more vidya instead.
>>29922899
>your highness
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>>29922995
>You should play more vidya instead
I just can't feel anything towards it anymore. No interest, no rush, no motivation. No vidya evokes any kind of response now. Maybe I'm just growing out of it
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>>29923062
You need to play the right games. That or begin making your own games. Maybe a Rara related game? Any PC games you have?
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>>29923099
The vicious cycle is that vidya is too much of a time-waster, so I decide that I'll rather work or draw, but "first" I'll check /mlp/, then I'll check it again it 3 minutes after I alt+tabbed, then I see a (!), reply, check again in a few minutes, and so on for hours to no end.

The only games I had any motivation to play last months was Touhou, Dark Souls and shit thunder with a friend when he's on. I burnt out on these so badly I can't even imagine playing them anymore. Finishing NG+7 and staring SL1 was the breaking point. 2hu 11 mindbroke me as well. So I just can't even think about vidya anymore.

Anyway, sorry for blog shit, it's fucking 5am again jesus christ
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>>29923218
>5am
Only 9pm here. I have the same issue with /mlp/ and /v/. I have to eventually force myself off to do other things while coming back to check it every 20 or so minutes.

Played a lot of SG when my laptop was better, now it's RSix: Las Vegas 2 again.
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>>29923242
>RSix: Las Vegas 2
Great taste
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>>29923062
Try playing PES
I always sink my time in indie games. Especially the micromanagement ones like RimWorld lately.
Kinda makes me wish people would still try to give a pony flavor to vidya. As autistic as it is designing the characters after pones is good fun, especially in shit like xcom.
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>>29923276
>my fellow tastefag
>>29923291
If I could mod, I would. At most I'll have to stop being busy and finish this Beo in Equestria game I was trying to work on. Maybe try more if I could git gud.
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>>29923291
Last game that had "proper" pone mod was Stellaris I think. I liked riding Rarity in Warband as well.
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>>29923306
>I liked riding Rarity in Warband as well.
kek. I wish I had the game so I could have my ponefu as my companion.
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New thread.

>>29923377

Behold its repeating digits.
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>>29923381
>too early
Wait until page 8 at least.
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>>29923412
You right, I got a little ahead of myself. Please forgive me.
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>>29923428
Only if you pust cute Raras in the next thread.
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>>29923439
I promise, I will post my cutest Rararas next thread. I think with the header, I'm off to a good start.
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>>29923463
I'll hold you to that.
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>>29923062
>I just can't feel anything towards it anymore. No interest, no rush, no motivation.
I think that's depression anon, try changing your routine. It's not fun feeling nothing anymore, I know.
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