Drawfag Improvement Thread

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Challenge #6

For this challenge, you must draw a pony (or other character from the show) of your choice using a color palette with ONLY THREE COLORS.
- You may choose your three colors, but you should choose them wisely. I have included a few palette ideas for you in the related picture.
- If you'd like a hard mode, use only TWO colors.
- NO blending, ONLY hard brushes. (If you want to ignore this that's fine, but that's not what the challenge is about)
Have fun and good luck!

(Challenge #5 is STILL active to anyone who would like to continue it.)
>>29713026 Easy mode
>>29713030 Medium mode
>>29738040 Hard mode

>>29781612
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Previous thread: >>29707711
Request thread: >>29707889
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>>29781611
this is about clouds mainly but everything it says DOES apply to any sort of bg element you can think of

http://dea-89.deviantart.com/art/Cloud-Tutorial-381631345

>>29781623
you want us to make a good looking pony from 3 colors without blending. So what about background pony is on? Does it have to be from palette?

>>29781771
yes
entire picture 2/3 colors


pro tip: hatching

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>>29781623
>ONLY THREE COLORS
Is it OK to use also different tints, shades and tones of those colors? I think that would be necessary to make a somewhat realistic drawing.

Or am I missing the point here? Is this challenge more about making something stylized, cartoony and about design?

>>29781623
>inb4 everyone draws Zecora playing in snow

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>>29782430

>>29782661
Oh, I see. Thanks!

>>29781736
Thank you, sorry. I was completely fried when i posted the thread.
>>29782430
>>29781771
I guess I should give you guys an example first, huh?
>>29782661
This is a great example! Thank you! If you guys wanna blend, you can blend. Just use three colors though, okay? I'm going to draw a pony to show you what I mean.

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>>29783813
What the fuck...

>>29783824
...what

>>29783303
>I guess I should give you guys an example first, huh?
That would be appreciated.

>>29782349
Uhm... Wh... What is hatching?

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>>29784367
>not knowing what hatching is
>mfw
10 seconds of using google provided me with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatching

Hey! I am new to this... Don't bully.

>>29784436
>>29784417
Meant you.

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>>29781623
match-up of most colors on the chart

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>>29784436
>I am new to this
You're new to using google? ^;)

>Don't bully.
If you honestly think that my comment was me bullying you, then you'll have a bad time posting in this thread. Drawfags here tend to criticize each other! Why, from time to time someone will go as far as writing WHOLE PAGES of things you did wrong!

Seriously though, develop some thick skin, faggot. You'll need it.

>>29784063
Yeah I'll do one now. I'm wondering if people might like a video to see how I do it?
>>29784535
They were just examples. Also making palettes for something like this is a lot more difficult than one might think.

>>29784708
Progress videos are always welcome.

>>29784714
Alrght, sure I'll do that. I can stream it too

>>29781623
Now streaming how to do this challenge
http://www.livestream.com/mc_draws

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>>29784714
>>29784817
>>29784063
Okay here's my example. I'll put the video on youtube later
>>29781771
You don't have to use the palette I gave you, that was just for an example

>>29785232
Thanks!

>>29785257
No prob! It was a lot of fun actually

>>29785232
Turned out great, although I still think the colors are a bit much.

>>29785294
Yeah, well, uh, that just like your opinion man. No but really, I just really like bright colors for this but less saturated ones could be really cool too

>>29785302
Of course, I know you like your bright and bold colors with that sort of style.

>>29785232
You draw like a girl.

>>29785330
I'm excited to see how other people draw for this Challenge. I know it's a bit more difficult than last ones, but I've been trying to slowly make them more difficult so people can learn uh, stuff. Sorry I forgot my vocabulary
>>29785338
I guess!

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>>29781623
Is this acceptable

>>29785338
>>29785572
>tfw you realized redliner is grill.

>>29785648
Oh totally, that's fantastic!
>>29785660
There's a picture of me on my tumblr, so I mean

>>29785724
Thanks, I love making pixel art.

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>>29782430
http://imgur.com/a/Xnqsq
really cool stuff made using a limited palette

>>29784549
>develop some thick skin, faggot. You'll need it.
this

What do you do when you have an idea but no characters fit the idea?

>>29786385
Make your own characters?

>>29786385
Just make generic characters for it or characters at random. If the idea is good enough to stand on its own, it shouldn't matter which ones you pick.

>>29786442
>>29786463
I'm not sure if it would be very impactful if it were an OC though.

>>29786552
If the idea is good enough you could literally do it with stick figures and get the point across. Another option could be to go with one of the common BG pony duos, like Lyra and Bon Bon or Vinyl and Octavia. Depends on how many characters you need, really.

>>29786552
It's your choice, but I think an OC would be fine.
>>29786567
It's for the challenge so I don't think they'd want to do more than one character but it's your guys's choice

>>29786695
It's not for the challenge, actually. I'm just trying to vent while also being productive, I guess. I kind of feel like people will care less if it's just my OC.

>>29786786
You'd be surprised. Personally, the art other people have done of my OC outweighs the stuff I've drawn of her by a considerable margin. If enough people like the OC it might even be better for you as one that's easily linked to you helps a lot with name recognition.

>>29786786
Oh! Sorry! And I think they'll still care. As long as it looks great I don't think it matters what character you choose.
>>29786817
see?

>>29786817
>>29786858
I guess I'll try that then. Thank you.

>>29786898
You can do it~

>>29781612
>Previous thread: >>29587890
It's actually >>29707711.

>>29787041
I know, I forgot because it was 4am and I was passing out; sorry.

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Here's the palette from the first Challenge. Maybe it'll inspire you guys more

>>29787565
Again though, if you want to roll or hand pick, you can only pick 2 or 3, your choice

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>>29785294
>although I still think the colors are a bit much.
I made this palette for you. I hope it's what you're talking about

>>29785839
out of curiosity, what do you use to make pixel art, I've never done any of it myself

>>29788421
MS Paint, sometimes GraphicsGale.

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Here, feel free to laugh at may lack of drawing "bereft" well. I'm erasing it anyway but shit some of these are hard

>>29791524
Better than I would have depicted it.

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>>29791528
I still think it's horrible, but how about this? Unfortunately it's right next to fear which is almost the exact same pose but you can tell the emotion is different so I guess it's fine?

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>>29791583
No wait, I flipped it and made it better

beep boop bump

>>29792485
Nice bump, babe.

>>29792782
Thanks, babe.

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moar wip

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>>29780986
This doesn't really capture the pose I was going for. She's supposed to be hanging onto a ledge, with a forehoof on the top and two of her other hooves on the side. The redline just looks like filly Twilight is showing off a new dance she invented.

>>29793703
I love that second face but the middle one takes the cake!
>>29794787
Well you probably should have said that because that's not what that looks like at all. Either way everything I said STILL stands. Your joints are off, limbs are too long or too short, and the torso is way too long too. Your heads are looking very good though and I haven't seen much problems with manes/tails.

>>29794722
Honestly you should try the Drawthread. This is the thread for people getting better, but hey, I might be wrong.

>>29794906
usually

>>29794787
>Well you probably should have said that
>>29780862
>She's supposed to be hanging onto a ledge.

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Been working on this, anything I should do?

>>29795713
Let me correct myself: Well I probably should have read that. Sorry, sometimes I just read the first half and go at it.

>>29795766
>Anything I should do?
Throw yourself in the trash, Zimbabwe.

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http://derpibooru.org/810559

>>29795907
Yes I am aware you used a reference but the reference is incorrect.
Her head should not be able to turn 180 degrees; she's not an owl.
Tail should be higher.
head and mane look great.
Her mane should be on the other side of her neck
I'd work on those backlegs a bit too

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>>29795967
>Yes I am aware you used a reference but the reference is incorrect.
>Her head should not be able to turn 180 degrees; she's not an owl.
Ponies have long been established to have owl necks.

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So are there any discords or pony art improvement groups yet?

>>29796070
Improvement chat (brand new): https://discord.gg/9HCqPaP
Solami's pony chat: https://discord.gg/UpYhBrY

>>29796043
Okay

>>29796120
I'll post these in future thread OPs

>>29796120
Second one doesn't work or is expired.

>>29796179
Okay try this one: https://discord.gg/UpYhBrY

>>29795786
ok

>>29796043
what works in animation, for a fleeting moment, doesn't necessarily work as a static image

>>29796778
>>29796778
>>29796778
>>29796778
>>29796778
>>29796778

>>29787913
Why, thank you. I might just use one of those when I get to doing the challenge.

>>29797398
Sure! I should have figured not everyone wants bright as shit like I do

>>29798029
nothing wrong with eye-melting bright but it can trigger/aggravate migraine in weakfags like me

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one-line challenge

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>>29798144
another

>>29798069
Aw I'm sorry :( Well if I fuck it up again let me know and I'll look up nice, soothing palettes that don't give you seizures
>>29798144
Oh I like that. the face and hooves are really cute

>>29798158
Oh yeah I should have told you guys to try hatching as well because it looks rad

>>29799185

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I used wrong file before.
As I said. Nothing creative, nothing special. Just a try on challange.

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>>29798158

>>29800254
get over yourself, most cameras shoot JPEG

>>29799875
Not bad. I like the heavy contrast style

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So, in the last thread I have been told by multiple folks that my lines are just extra thick. So I tried to be less of a shitter with my next lineart stuff, and I hope it worked out.

>>29800383
>socks
You win

About lines I cannot say anything. But the right sock seem strange and left wing looks much much bigger then right.

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>>29800516

hmm, better this way?

>>29800577
i'd adjust the muzzle a little, right now it seems lopsided. but damn, piercings and socks is a nice combo

>>29800746

Like, rotate it a little counterclockwise?

And thanks. Also thanks for the help, I apreciate it.

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>>29800770
maybe something like this? i'm not a redliner tho so take this with salt

>>29799875
I really like the two-toned face. That's a great job!
>>29800383
The lines look great. I wouldn't have known you even had a thicc line problem
>>29800893
>i'm not a redliner
But you did a good job. Gold star.
The redlines look like a pretty good fix

boomp

There should be a word for when someone you've looked up to likes one of your drawings.

>>29802779
>senpai noticed me

>>29802779
You mean "arousal"?

>>29802779
oh my god Thurop Van Orman liked one of my comics once and I freaked out

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>>29802779

>>29802911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IivXMn-UKw

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http://luckreza8.deviantart.com/art/Mlp-Fim-pinkie-pie-yeah-vector-575538466

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>>29801538
>The lines look great. I wouldn't have known you even had a thicc line problem

Thanks. I am the same guy who asked for colors/pointers for pic related last week, and you all said my lines are too thick/irregular, so, I tried to fix it with my newest pic. Glad if that worked out.

>>29803706
>>29800577
This dog pone is nice for me. I like thick outlines. The problem was rather with the placement. Thick goes where the shadow goes and you had the thickest line where the light was.
And about this pony you've drawn recently. Please senpai color it! Piercing, socks, short hair. Unf...

>>29803706
Ohhh yup, I remember you. Well good job on taking it and applying yourself. Gold star
>>29803777
trips confirms, both are good

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>>29803777

Hmm, I see what you mean, i will give that a try in a future pic then.

And will do, today even probably
Glad muh OC gets that reaction

>>29803795

well, thats the point of this thread isnt it? If anything, thanks a bunch for the pointers and help.

>>29803850
Of course C:

bonp

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I drew Appulhorse. What do y'all think?

>>29804754
Not bad.

Head looks a tad bit small and the bent legs look off to me, I think they're a bit thin below the knees. The left eyelid seems a bit too droopy and in my opinion the tail could have a bit more volume towards the dock/butt. Lastly, the muzzle looks like it's pointing far more to the side than the rest of the face, I'd move the nostril a bit to the left and maybe fiddle around with the mouth a little.

>>29805201
Thanks

>>29805848

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How does it look?
Can I get some tips about drawing cute girls in cel shading style?
hopefully erasing most of linework from her shirt helped with over detailing that someone pointed out earlier

>>29807185
cast shadows need to be more defined for Gummi, forelock and various strands of hair, sleeve, skirt hem, low arm, low mug, fingers

cast shadow on green balloon curves the wrong way from outline inwards

Gummi looks almost unshaded

line of cast shadow on thighs could use a bit of break at cuffs, remember that denim is a thick material and especially folded cuffs will stick out quite a bit from skin level

use shadows to hint folds beyond the fold lines, for instance the waist, the straining blousefront, the fold between the hip and the thigh

>>29807185
her tits look weird like theyre different sizes

>>29807357
because the button strip doesn't follow the curve?

>>29807393
that might be it

>>29807185
Hair looks like taffy.

your all boring, uninspired fags who circle jerk to the notion of getting gud.

fuck yourselves up your butt, with your tablet pens you cancer.

someone pls kill me.

>>29807185
Her pose and everything looks quite stiff and unnatural to certain extent.
Also, the angle of the tits doesn't match up with the angle of the torso itself. Makes it look like one of the tits is significantly longer than the other one for some reason.

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>>29809040
>>29809040
why you keep reposting art? Is there a specific reason er?

>>29809049
What are you talking about?

>>29809213
why do you keep posting your art all the time?

>>29809222
It's not reposting if it's a different drawing.

>>29809235
I didnt say repost, and that didnt answer my question. what is your goal here?

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Did the easy level challenge thing from last thread. I know it's not the best, but I think it turned out alright.

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What do you guys think?

>>29809591

I feel like the owlCm is judging me for staring at her butt.
Really like it though, cute way to draw the dock too

>>29809324

Nice, in the first panel her eyes are a little derped up though, not sure if thats intentional

>>29809222
>>29809240
advices and because he can
you should too

>>29807326
>>29807357
>>29807393
>>29807991
>>29808949
Thanks everyone! I'll pay more attention to those things next time.

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>>29803777
>>29803795

I think i dun it

>>29809235
What's your endgame bub? You keep copying show vectors, are you trying to get really really good at that? If yes, why? Those images already exist. I'm not gonna tell you no if you get some sort of autistic glee out of it but if you want to learn to draw then you need to take the next step and try something new. Especially if your motivation in these copies is to get proficient in emulating the style—in that case you're really climbing that tree ass first.

>>29810301
I like this desing.
And about drawing. You should be more precise. There are a lot of little mistakes that are triggering my autism. I can spend hours on looking for dead pixels and other mistakes and I see plenty of them.
I don't know if this is any help but when I think I finished something I save it, wait half an hour or more, then look at it again. It helps me to locate mistakes.

>>29810456
>triggering autism
*aggravating your anal retention

>>29810301
http://imgur.com/a/qrNu0

>>29810743
kek

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>>29738040
Took me around 6 maybe even 7 hours.

>>29810743
>http://imgur.com/a/qrNu0


...do I recognise that bulge?

>>29810301
the shading on the eyes is unnerving

>>29810456
>>29810478

Hmm, should have a look then

>>29811714

Is it? I tried to shade them the same as the rest of the pic, but it looked weird

>>29811813

also >>29810743
I had a giggle, thanks

>>29809591
That's cute

>>29811380
>angst = toothache
>annoyed = bored
>anticipation = creeping dread
>bereft = not mad, just disappointed
>betrayed = super saiyan in 3
>bored = mildly interested
>exhaustion = glamorously sweaty
>confident = snide
>confused = surprised
>curious = trying to contain PTSD flashback
>disgusted = annoyed
>drunk = ahegao
>envy = attending the funeral of someone she didn't really know
>excited = joy
>happy = boisterous
>longing = boiling with murder
>miserable = drunk karaoke
>pleased = drunk and horny
>rage = stop right there criminal scum
>relief = about to sneeze
>sick = about to cum
>silly = zero fucks given
>smart = sadistic glee
>stress = constipation
>stupid = traumatized to the point of psychosis
>submission = just ran ten miles
>surprised = wake me up inside
>tired = came
>triumph = where will you be when Joker venom kicks in

>>29809591
fat Husky ears, club feet, dock cleavage (wtf?!), underside leg is off, head small for body, bottom half large for body, arm joints misplaced, one arm missing

>>29811380
I really dislike this wiry hair.

>>29810743
hhehehhehe
>>29810301
this turned out really cute. I liked the composition and line style most
>>29811380
shit dude you win for finishing hard mode. I wasn't expecting anyone to finish it. I'm only doing medium myself. I liked that you used several different ponies on it. gg
>>29811923
eh, I'm not going to bother because that took a lot of determination
>>29811952
could have been said nicer but this^

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Is there any hope for me, /mlp/?

>>29813662
>dat beautiful Luger
>dat symbolshit pone
I got good news and bad news for you.

>>29813718
give it to me straight, doc.

>>29813789
good news: if you didn't trace the Luger, you have good eye for drawing

bad news: your fastest lane towards Gitgudistan is to draw things that aren't ponies, i.e. actual horse anatomy, photo studies, non-equine animals, etc

you can still draw poners every now and then--do them for fun and to gauge your learns

>>29813883
But what if only ponies give me fun now?

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>>29815167
neck too long, don't care about the ref; you should know this stuff by now

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Am I on the right track with this Celestia? It's loose but low angles are hard so nothing is committed. Trying to depict the bottom of the muzzle is most troublesome.

>>29813662

I fucking wish I could draw that gud

Bump for gainz

>>29816056
Anyone else think the midsection is too small compared to her backside?

>>29816056

>>29817328 The perspective is not working well because there's no transition between frontal area and her butt, so it doesnt look like shes turning.

>>29816056

>>29817328 In strict terms the perspective is not working that well because the anatomy gives the impression that the pony has snapped her back in an L kind of shape, mostly because the torso is not turning when it should (wings stay at all moments in side view for example) this also means it's not increasing in perspective size as it should.

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Rate meh.

>>29817904
I like how his head and ears follow the movement of his body.
I dislike the view you chose, how roughly you drew it, proportions (aren't those hooves too thick, when compared with his head?), complete lack of background and story, how weirdly he's moving his legs in midair, how you ignored that perspective should change (in midair we should be able to see his belly if horizon is on the level of his torso while he's standing) and colors you chose (it looks like he's naked).

Learn how to draw before learning how to animate / 10

>>29817904
tiggertails for legs/10

>>29816056
NCMares? Is that you?

>>29818134
Yeah, pretty sure it's him. He posts here every now and then.

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Hi, I tried practicing line-depth using some simple tips I learned online. >pic related and one more. Essentially what I learned besides hard curves and other things like that (which confuse me), I should use lines that are heavy where there would be a shadow, and light lines where there would be a light source.

If you guys could critique my use of lines, I'd appreciate it.

>>29816056
NC that princess should be wearing a hoodie and eating donuts. But actually, I know Braeburned tends to have lots of drawings that show the underside of the muzzle decently well, if you're willing to look through the smut, or look through his SFW content.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/e8515c7cc92fd8e791e07f4915ae9115/tumblr_ntrtiy2HQd1r224kfo7_1280.png
This pic may help, may not.

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>>29818202
Here is the second picture to help show more linework I tried doing.

>>29817461
I think I understand, but it is difficult to visualize in words. More of the midsection ought to be visible to more clearly emphasize the twisting motion, yeah? And then the rear is too large.

>>29818202
Good job experimenting with weights. They are subtle but do much to make an image more interesting. Try to use different colors sometime. Black works but a very dark shade of coat or mane color can look especially good on lighter backgrounds.

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>>29816056
Welllll.

First off, the nearest leg should be larger and taper outwards lower down, as per foreshortening.

Second, her torso IS making an L shape. Easiest way to get it look better is to move the farthest leg a good deal tailward, it also gives her stance balance

Third, the skirt's clipping into her arse. It's a low angle, but the skirt's drawn from a straight angle. However you draw the ruffles/folds, the main flow of the skirt must go outside of her volume. Remember, the thighs are round.

Fourth, misplaced ear. Human ears start from the eye level, pony ears--not.

Addressing head later.

>>29818400
Also why can't we see up her skirt

>>29818525
Asking the right question.

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>>29802779

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what do when you are completely demotivated?

>>29818685
Shitpost on /mlp/.

>>29818716
But you always shitpost on /mlp/, Anon.

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>>29818787

>>29818685
Ok, I'll answer this genuinely with the hopes that it may help you get over these feelings of no motivation. I hate those, and it almost killed art for me. These are the things that I do that help me get over demotivation.

>go to the gym/workout/run
I know you may wanna meme ">asking /mlp/ to go to the gym". Seriously, even a half hour of working out will relieve all that stress you build up, clears your mind, and makes you feel better about yourself as an added bonus.

>have yourself a delicious meal
Sometimes, being able to just chow down on a delicious meal is a great way to reset your head, and allow you to mentally chill out without having to think about anything too much

>30 min. powernap
If you are able to go through 1 REM Cycle of sleep then wake up, you will wake up with a fresh new mind, and most likely a greater motivation to try it again.

The main point is to stop when you're at a block in the road, back up to assess the situation, and try again when you are chilled out. I'm not a great artist by any means, but I have found ways to deal with those awful, crippling frustrations of just being unmotivated, usually do to not knowing what else to draw. Just tell yourself that you'll be ready for round 2 once you clear your mind, and you will be ready for round 2. I hope this helps.

>>29818295
>lines that aren't black
My greatest fear anon. I'll try to give it a chance when I am not trying to improve depth or shading/highlighting, because those are my two greatest hinders at the moment that I would like to improve. But definitely that is something I should work on.

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>>29818716
>>29818816
Your advice is very welcome.
I'll try it out.

Maybe just not the power nap because those 30mins become hours much to easily.

>>29818981
>Maybe just not the power nap because those 30mins become hours much to easily
If that's the case, then maybe your body needs this extra sleep?
In my case, whenever I'm sleeping less than usually, then the next day I'm feeling really lazy.
Sleep isn't a waste of time.

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>>29818812
>tfw did that shitty comic in like 40 min
>didn't really try hard
>never fixed lineart or anything at all
>your most popular picture ever
>EVER
It's still somewhat painful.

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>>29819033
heh. Hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAAA

>>29818685
>>29818816
>work out
This. Working out has so many benefits for both your body and mind. You could also try going for a short walk through the woods/streets, that always helps me clear my head when I get frustrated with something.
And if you're just not feeling motivated to start drawing, do it anyways. You might just find yourself getting into it and having fun after doodling for a short while.

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>>29819114
Yes, anon!

Working out is seriously one of the greatest things you can do to improve yourself.

Destressor- Literally every problem you have and every struggle you have to deal with simply vanishes away when you start lifting weights or get a sweat going working out. You just don't feel bad whatsoever in the gym, you just feel motivated to finish the set, or to move on to the next workout. Once your done, you are able to tackle whatever objective you need to, without stress, with ease.

Feeling- After you work out, you always feel so much better about yourself. You feel like you're a cool person. Your confidence goes way the fuck up, and your perception of your appearance is sky high.

Discipline- When you learn to go to the gym, the discipline you passively learn carries to all other aspects of life. When you learn to go to the gym every other day, you learn to do things like prepare your protein shake every day. Then it builds up into making sure you get work done accordingly so you have time to go to the gym, or making sure you get certain things planned ahead of time so that you are prepared.

It works for art block and low motivation, but seriously the gym is so great in all the benefits your get from it, and I didn't even refer to the physical strength you gain.

>>29818816
>>29819114
>>29819161
>working out
Wut? It doesn't help me with motivation at all. Am I fucked?

>>29819342
This.
People you're replying to fell for the /fit/ meme. It's scientifically proven that our willpower is somewhat limited; by spending it on forcing yourself to do exercises, you'll be too tired to force yourself to draw as well.

>>29819448
Not exactly, I can kinda see how it works if you're in the dumps and you need to switch to something else. It's just after that the problem is still unsolved, stress is nowhere near gone and I don't feel better about myself at all.

>>29818400
Oh damn OK going for all out foreshortening then. The ear is all funky because of my inability to picture the angle. Ah gots to learn though. Perspective is essential.

>>29819342
I would say that you need to not think of the gym as "I WILL GET STRONK", you should think of it as "Let me blow off some steam, just go to work".

>>29819448
I actually came to this conclusion back in high school, before I ever knew /fit/ or 4chan was a thing. I'm not just denying to prove my point, I'm just trying ot show how this seriously worked for me without any placebo effect.

>>29818816
>gym/workout/run
I regularly work out and run at least 7K everyday, it really helps with stress and motivation.

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I want to be not shit anymore

>>29820556
Do that again without refs.
10 times.

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>>29820666
i must oblige to those numbers

>>29820666
Devil does not lie

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>>29815635
I know it's too long; that's something I'm trying to work on.

>>29821430
at this point, just stop using refs and try drawing something yourself

drawing all of these circles on top of an overlay will not help you get any better if you don't bother trying to piece together why and how ponies look that way

and the muzzle is fucking stupid, i don't care if it's from a screencap because you are clearly NOT THINKING about anatomy

>>29821452
Yes. Very much.
>>29821425
>I know it's too long; that's something I'm trying to work on.
okay well draw the body first, then before you draw the head, make sure the neck isn't giraffe-like before you draw the whole thing

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Hey guys, you're probably not thrilled with the current challenge, and that's okay. So if you'd like to do more palette thingies, here's another option. You can roll or pick, I don't care

bonk

boop

fontcha die on me

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>>29821430
>>neck too long
>I know it's too long
If you knew that, then why didn't you fix it?
Are you too poor to afford an eraser or, even better, a new sheet of paper?

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Fun game for drawfags new and old!

>>29824237
Oh dear... Whan an abomination.

>>29824237
Looks disgusting.

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>>29821848
it is not about being thrilled
tried all the motivation advice to get things going again
but I'll roll anyway

>>29824237
This is what happens when you focus on trying to develop
>muh
before everything else.

>>29824818
>muh style

>>29824782
>82
Love that one
Anyway, Let me tell you my favorite way to get motivated. I have a folder FULL of art I've loved over the years from other people and I'll go through those images and tiny things will make me want to draw. Like someone could have drawn a really cool hand position so that would motivate me to draw. I've got like 1000's of files because I've been doing this for 7 or 8 years. And if you don't have an inspiration folder just look at top art on art websites.
I hope that helps you! If not you can of course come back and we'll recommend as much as we can to help you.
>>29824818
Drawing is from a larger compilation but yeah I feel bad for artists that have settled so much into their styles that they'll never get better :( That's one of the main reasons I try to teach youse guys show anatomy first so you know the rules so you can break them.

>>29824857
Hell yeah 57 is a great one

Bump. This guy's stuff is helpful. >>29820556

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>>29826221
I save everything that helps gettin gud

study bump

>>29781623
might do one traditionally with color pencils on white paper

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>>29828107
I did one with colored pens but it's basically the same thing. I wanted to show people they COULD DO IT without a tablet and I'm glad you're going to try that too! Still doesn't come out too bad other than my anatomy is off

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>>29828107
Also, if you're interested I used these

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I feel like I should wipe this and start over again. I have a feeling I overdid it like a lot.

>>29828528
the shading? no you haven't but I'd use a slightly more red colro to shade with

>>29828749
>>29828728
>>29828766
I think you want the regular Drawthread if you're just posting your stuff. If you want critique on these then that's fine, but this thread really isn't just for showing some of your stuff that's not relative nor pertaining to the thread. Okay?

>>29828798
im looking to improve as well. critiques are welcome.

>>29828728
>>29828749
>>29828766

>2012
>2013

That's great mang but I need to see drawings from [current year]. Your old shit dont matter to me.

>>29828805
Okay, you just didn't say anything and just posted pictures without telling us what you'd like and also this >>29828812

>>29828812
>>29828822
Fair enough. Moving the old shit to the regular thread and working on a current drawing for critique.

>>29828849
Oh, no, dude it's fine, but okay

boop it. twist it. pull it. twist it. boop it. flick it. flick it. spin it. twist it, boop it, boop it

you know what page it is!

Are there any good griffon tutorials? I was thinking of making one; if I fuck it up I'll call it a "study" haha.

>>29828655
i can try to mess with overlay a little then. I dont know why I felt so wrong about it. It was the first time I had this feeling and I wonder why.

>>29813662
>"Is there any hope for me, /mlp/?"
>Posts absolutely fine art

>>29830704
You don't need an overlay, you ocan just lightly paint on a layer above the shading (masked would be nice) and get a low opacity/flow soft brush going over the shadows like that
>>29830769
You'd be surprised how many peopel have great art and still think it sucks

>>29830799
So make colors a little more reddish with soft brush. On it.

>>29830769
>licking his ass this hard

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Remember to study those fundies.

>>29830813
btw, reply to me with the finished piece when you're done because I'd love to see it

>>29833779
That is something new for me to hear.

Also question. How does ych works. I made an auction and it is finished but I don't know how to contact user who won. I am confused by this site.

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>>29832173
Mind my mobilefagness but WTF IS THIS

>>29833864
>That is something new for me to hear.
Aw I'm sorry, but I did mean it! :People who apply the C&C and fixes their drawing it makes me very very happy~
>How does ych works
I have no earthly idea; I've never heard of it

>>29833119

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>>29833926
So I did this red brush thing. Wanted to do hair today but well... I haven't. Anyway, is this what you meant?

>>29834709
Yes it is! For the hair do a sort of burgandy color with a bit more purple in it if you understand what I'm saying. Also you should look at this in black and white because your values are weird and you accidentally pillow shaded. I should have mentioned that earlier, sorry

>>29834709
>>29834723
I can do a quick paintover after I eat this bagel

>>29834709
It looks creepy.

>>29834723
With colors I get it.
I haven't drawn myself lightsource. It was there in my imagination. Little silly... And I think I see what you mean. If I get it right front leg is like this and bottom part of rear legs.
And now I see head differ in value from body.

>>29834759
>>29834789
I would be glad if you can. I got a little bit lost with it to be honest... It is always like this with me. Instead of doing basics I go into deep waters.
Also, going to bed. Not to sleep yet, but I won't apply anything until tommorow.

>>29834807
Alright sounds good!
>>29834789
I mean don't worry too much about the anatomy. You appear to be wanting to work on your shading instead anyway.

>>29834822
I was here with the blank sketch some time ago. I fixed it, everything but one thing because it didn't feel right to me. Is there something wrong with it?
How can I not focus on anatomy. Even if I practice shading it won't cover bad anatomy. It is true that I care more about shading and refining rather than sketching but... I want to be good someday. Fixed can always be made.

>>29834709
Where is your light source coming from?

any Kritafags here?
If yes do you have any recomendation on what brush and settings to use to draw like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3OxonJcXQ

>>29835121
I'm working with him on it, don't worry :p

>>29835121
Nevermind, I was talking about the wrong image

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>>29835920
Thanks for the help with it, redliner.

>>29836490
Yuperoonie

boop

>>29836566
I am currently "fixing" this fluttershy. But I would really like to see what you did with her.
Also. Now that I will have plenty of free time I can try to do more of smaller stuff. The test of will power.

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I've gotten to a point where I feel confident enough sketching human anatomy, but whenever I try doing pony, It comes out way too basic and cartoony. If you guys have any guides on doing more realistic anatomy for horses, I'd greatly appreciate it

>>29837516
Like yeah, I understand the design of mlp is intentionally a simple cartoonish design, but holy hell does it give me a headache

>>29837516
photos

>>29836566
How about now? I tried to get rid of what you've told me and also fixed head shape a little.
http://i.imgur.com/fW3RD63.png I don't want to spam same image all over again so I link it.

>>29837798
the navel is creepy and the mane isn't correct at the front

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I'm learning how to draw eyes

>>29837937
Ok, I'll try to do something about this then.

>>29837992
Please teach me how

>>29835920
>>29834709
I'll give a paintover in a sec then.
>>29837516
Study that poner anatomy.

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>>29838064
I'm not really doing much; Just sketching the top and side outlines in a way to better portray a feminine look, then going from there. For things like the eyelashes, I drew basic triangle shapes and filled them in so they would match with the rest of the outline. This is my first time doing anything like this, so I'm not really the best for giving out advice. I hope that helped a bit though

As for now, I'm just practicing out various shapes to see what would give out a better feminine look for what I'm doing.

>>29838358
>symbol drawing this hard
hisssss

>>29838358

That's great that you're breaking things down into simple shapes but I would highly recommend studying the parts of an eye and their function. Eyes are meant to fit in a skull have have volume. Make them fit in a skull and draw two of them. Every time.

>>29837193
I didn't do anything with her because I was talking to the wrong person, I'm sorry. I'd offer to help later but I have a real bad cold and no energy
>>29837798
I don't see a difference, I'm sorry.
>>29838294
>I'll give a paintover in a sec then.
Yayyyy thank you

>>29838932
Right now I think... I am still a beginner so I won't make a thing that everyone will like. I just have to make it the best I can now. Even if it's shit it's still my shit and if I won't draw I won't learn.

>>29838883
The problem with that is that ponies' eyes don't really fit into a skull, at least not the way they're portrayed in the show. That is unless I'm just too dumb to understand it.

On that note, if anyone has some kind of reference on this, I'd appreciate if you could post it.

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>>29839493

>The problem with that is that ponies' eyes don't really fit into a skull

Certainly they do.

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>>29840086

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>>29840281

keep in mind that pic is heavily stylized

>>29839493
their volume only fits if you assume pony eyeballs are not perfect ball-shaped orbs but flattened in size

>>29840086
incorrect anatomy, the eye socket must be larger than the eyeball to accommodate eyelids and eye movement muscles and such, in that aspect these two are closer

>>29840281
>>29840285

>>29840364

This why you study from multiple references and use real-life horses. It's why I posted multiple references.

>>29840371
amen

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I've run into a problem.
Atleast I believe I've run into it.

My gains have been become stagnant lately.
It feels like I don't get better, maybe faster at making shitty drawings but not better at making good drawings.

I basically know how to get better.
No matter your level you work on fundamentals.
Work on technique, gesture, composition light, ... , do still lives , study artworks, read books and do tutorials.
Learn about the things you want to draw how they work and how they intereact with the word surrounding them both physically and socially.

But it feels like I am drawing on auto-pilot - just doodling away...

Drawing is said to be an intelectual activity where the head plays an even bigger role than the hand.
If this is true how do you go about it?
Do you stop drawing and sit in front of the picture and think for an hour? Do you do sketches and plans?

Looking back at older pieces of yours or WIPs what is your thought process?
Has anybody run into similiar problems?
How to make gains again?

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>>29840641
Anon, it takes years of practice and it's not something one can easily do with just a bit of practice. I recommend just sketching at your own speed and to not worry about how fast you can compose. Getting the core techniques out of the way by practicing random body parts can help you a lot

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>>29840641
Nowadays I just draw without any sense of direction because I have no idea if I'm really improving at all.

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>>29840774
>Anon, it takes years of practice and it's not something one can easily do with just a bit of practice.
It is been over a year since I picked it up and I don't mean to sound heavy with meaning but time is limited.
> I recommend just sketching at your own speed and to not worry about how fast you can compose.
That may be part of the problem.
Whatever I tried I was one of the first to get good.
Drawing doesn't come naturally to me. Maybe it is because I compare my shitty sketches to full-fledged drawing of artists with experience who spend hundreds of hours to archive their level.
Maybe because I can only race myself.
But I constantly feel like I am not as good as I am supposed to be after X months.
>Getting the core techniques out of the way by practicing random body parts can help you a lot
I will heed that advice

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>>29840896
sometimes I feel like I am actually getting worse
I hope it is because my ability to spot errors improves

>>29840924
it is

>>29840924
It's probably that. There's always a sudden dip in quality when you repeat something long enough. It happens in all creative work when you do it a lot. Something like messing up a simple rhythm on guitar or suddenly not being able to follow an idea when writing. It's normal, just feels really shitty.

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>>29840943
>>29840956
please let it be that
I hope- no, I pray that is not just flimsy excuse I talk myself into to feel better about the garbage I produce, the garbage I am

>>29841005
I'm struggling with this as well, but I did manage to power through it in music so I don't think it's much different here. Don't MAKE it an excuse though. It's so discouraging to be in this situation, feels like it's your limit, but it never is unless you make accept it as such.

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I forgot
>add chromatic aberration and lens flare when you are done

>>29841031
I am happy for you
I try to keep up with the struggle despite how much it is weighting me down

>>29840641

What >>29840774 said. This all takes years and I've said it many times in these threads before; getting good at drawing is like any other profession and takes -time-. It takes nearly a decade to become a lawyer or a doctor or to become a master of a musical instrument. Drawing is no different. The many facets of drawing and illustrations can take years to master. People dedicate their life to art because there's just so much to learn.

>>29840909
>It is been over a year

A year is nothing.

>time is limited

What's your hurry exactly? If you're in a rush then you're in for some disappointment.

>Drawing doesn't come naturally to me.

It doesn't come "naturally" to me either. I'm sure it doesn't come naturally to anyone. Those super-star artists you see have been doing this shit since they were children.

>Maybe it is because I compare my shitty sketches to full-fledged drawing of artists with experience who spend hundreds of hours to archive their level.

The majority of the good artists in the pony fandom came from a background of being good already by either drawing from another fandom that was previously popular or you have the artists who started drawing as the fandom grew. It's been almost a solid 7 years of FIM. Lo and behold, the good artists who started drawing when pony became popular have almost TEN years of experience under their belts. Put it into that perspective.

>>29840896
>Nowadays I just draw without any sense of direction because I have no idea if I'm really improving at all.

Then take the time to think about what you're going to work on when you sit down for a drawing session. When you're out being a normie think to yourself, "I'm going to practice boxes when I get home." Get into the habit of thinking about what you need to work on when you're unable to sit down and draw. Carry a notebook and write ideas down.

>>29840924
>sometimes I feel like I am actually getting worse

Because your perceptions is caught up with your actual drawing skill and has surpassed it. It basically means you've "leveled up" and have better standards. The issue is the shit you're going to have to go through to get your drawing skill back up to your perceptions and standards.

I go through that phase at least once a month and I can predict it fairly accurately. I get a little bit more mentally prepared for it but it can still be a rough moment. Around that time I usually look at my old art and references to figure out what I still like and need to work on. It's good to reflect.

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>>29841685
> doing this shit since they were children.
>artists who started drawing as the fandom grew.
Not him, and you are right but this really feels like salt in the wound. I've done both of those things but I never actually took it seriously until about a year ago.
>What's your hurry exactly?
There's always a fear of being too late to contribute anything meaningful to this fandom.

>>29841685
>Get into the habit of thinking about what you need to work on when you're unable to sit down and draw
I can always just sit and drawn no problem but the lack of direction is something that's been bothering me. I guess I really do need to make lists of things to better, never liked overthinking it but maybe it really can help.

>>29841732
>What's your hurry exactly?
>There's always a fear of being too late to contribute anything meaningful to this fandom.

Well that makes a lot of sense. I know the feeling and can empathize. I only joined the fandom 2 years ago and by then I already had a year of drawing experience under my belt. That first year of drawing was rough. It really wasn't until I had a focus to draw like ponies is when I started seeing visible art gains.

We have another season coming out within a week so I dont think this fandom will die off anytime soon. Even if season 7 is the last there should be a good few happy years here.

>>29841732
For the longest time I was a victim to this line of thought until I found the reason to draw. Anon, it's never too late. Don't do it just for the fandom (it's not going anywhere any time soon) but also for yourself.

I started drawing last month. No prior experience other than 15 years ago when I was drawing at school and occasional inspiration once a year, never a systematic training. I've been drawing circles, simple shapes and replicating basic pone tutorials so far but I'm really happy about it. You probably already have a headstart compared to me. Knowing this am I too late? I don't think so. I'll never be too late to draw a pony I like. She's been drawn by so many people, but never by me. I want to make it my own, the way I want. I do it for her. If you find a motivation like that something like being less skillful than someone doesn't even apply. I do want to be like my favourite artists but I don't care if I won't ever be. So I don't think there's a point to cry over that, really. It's never too late to do something you enjoy.

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>>29841962
No more vectors m8, draw something without a vector. Do a regular old standing post at 3/4th view.

>>29841962
How do I stop my eraser from just smudging the lines? It worked just fine for a while, but now even on the lighter lines, the lead just sticks to the eraser and gets smeared all over the place instead of peeling off as the eraser disintegrates.

>>29838932
Aye, I'll get to it in a sec. forgot I had shit to do last night.

>>29840641
>>29840896
Make a direction for yourself and push your boundaries. Look for artists you like and make a mental note of why you like them, and what you can study to reach that level.

Also, we're creatures of habit. If you do do a lot of quick shitty drawings, you'll get very good at doing quick shitty drawings. If you want to do better work, you need to sit at something a little longer and figure out out to push a piece further. It'll take a while but you'll eventually get faster at it and be able to overall up the quality of your work.

>>29841685
>>29841732
>A year is nothing.
Maybe not the first year. My first year was me jerking off trying to learn how to learn. But once you hit year two you'll be making them pretty fast You just need to persevere and figure out what works for you and try a lot of things.

We're all going to make it, you just need to believe in yourself and take any step necessary to get there.

>>29841985
Don't push so hard on the paper and get better pencils and erasers. The rectangular white erasers are great and personally I only use mechanical pencil unless it's for a large graphite drawing
>>29841732
Stop making excuses. Either draw or get off the pot

>>29842308
I'm sorry

>>29840909
I don't know what to say other than to just break habits for newer ones. That, and patience. I started in 2011 and I drew like a 5 year old and I've pushed myself to actually improve from there

>>29841962
I get why you may think it's useful to copy, but all that knowledge is never going to flesh itself out if you never try anything else, you know.

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>>29842412
This.
>>29842319
It's alright. And it's okay to bitch about not being good enough. We all do it. However, you need to actually accept advice and apply yourself. The thread took a lot of time to help you and all you can say is "I can't do this. I can't do that" etc. So have patience. Also a lot of us have had drawing classes or have been studying hard for years. I've been in private art classes or art classes since I was 11 so that's almost 20 years for me and I still know I need a lot of improvement but that makes me want to get better. Find a goal for yourself and when you reach it, find another. My goal right now is to be really good at blocking/values as RHorse is. Awriiiight?

>>29842469
We all appreciate what you do, red. I'm inspired to git gud and stop sucking every time you redline one of my pieces of shit. Wouldn't have been able to even get to that level without you and others in the thread.

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>>29834709
Here you go, Anon. Made a video to go with it.
https://sendvid.com/masq9igl

I think I'm getting better at talking about what I'm doing as I'm doing it. But yeah, if I was unclear about something, go ahead and call me a faggot and demand answers.

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>>29830799
>>29830769
H-haha. W-why would anyone think like that at all. W-w-we're all going to m-make it.

>>29842756
I knew it was you before I even read the name, haha

>>29842609
I wanted to wipe and start again but I was stopped from doing it. Now I want to do it again but when I think about amount of work I put in it I want to cry. Why does it hurt so much... I never felt like this before. It sounds so stupid but it s real.
And thanks for that.

>>29843097
ART IS PAIN. You'll get used to it.

>>29843097
>I think about amount of work I put in it I want to cry. Why does it hurt so much... I never felt like this before.
I was there once too, buddy. And even now when I'm used to it I still get a slight bit overwhelmed when someone better than me sloot shame me for when I do fuck up colors and stuff.

If you feel too bad to focus, take a short 1-2 hour nap and get back on that git gud train with a clear motivated head. You'll get those gains mate.