Drawfag Improvement General

>because you fuckers let it die.

Good.

>>29402922
Why?

>>29402939
Because bumps are gay, and if a thread cant keep up, then it doesnt deserve to.

>>29398557
Ah, I didn't think of that. Is it at least accurate for a stallion?

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>>29403236

>>29400933
Don't try to draw this kind of poses when you don't understand perspective and how bodies work. Almost everything is broken.

Draw something like this for a start >>29403236

>>29403482
The linework is nice, though.

>>29403482
I am the type of guy who learn by practice. Looking at peoples work isn't helping me as much as my own expierience. If you can explain to me what are the mistakes so I can fix them would be nice.
By now my thoughts are the angle of the body should be change and moved a little bit left. I can put as much effort as needed to make it right.
About simple poses. Trust me I've done a lot of them. But I don't bother with saving tons of practice crap. I try harder poses because I wont to expand my abilities. It's true. I don't understand perspective. But I will if I try. Maybe I rushed to much. Maybe I should start of with simple shapes. But I did this and I want to finish it.
About linework - thank you.

>>29402949
That's no fair, looks at /gd/ it's the slowest board out there. art threads in general seems to be slow, especialy specific ones. But that doesn't mean no one needs it, they just don't need it *right now*. bumps are here to adress that

>>29404443
This. desu if it were going fast, it's probably be the mark of a bad thread with bad advice. The point of critique is to spend the time to give something your all before asking for advice.

Some wips would be nice though, what are you guys working on?

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>>29403482
They'll never understand how perspective and bodies work if they don't fucking practice said thing.
Not drawing different angles and perspectives will eventually lead to getting into a comfort zone. That's how you do the exact opposite of gitting gud. Just make sure to study, too.

>>29404232
In general my issue is that it feels as though the ass is completely detached from the torso, as if it was just floating around. I don't have a tablet and redlining with a mouse would be pretty hard even more so as I am still pretty amateur but I hope that helps.

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>>29404694
Working on this. One anon told me everything was fucked up so I tried to fix. Now I think it looks much better. I know I am not good at perspective but I am type of guy who if starts, he finishes work. Advices, fixes, killing critique. I can stand all.

What's the point of practicing observational skills if your goal is to create from imagination? Sure acquiring an visual library in your mind is extremely desirable, but you're not getting any close to learning how to draw in perspective by drawing from observation if you don't find learn, understand and apply the basic rules of perspective.

>>29405052
For one, the visual library alone is a massive thing in on itself.

And no one denies you learning perspective alongside it. Even if the people who figured out how perspective works did so by practical observation, you don't need to reinvent the wheel.
The idea of using perspective to draw much more consistent and life-perfect images is what the whole idea strives for.

>>29405073

I agree completely. I think that a beginner will heavily increase his rate of improvement if he first focuses on learning some basic rules of perspective and how to construct basic forms in any point perspective grid, then go improve observational skills and build a visual library.

Learning perspective by observation would literally be like reinventing the wheel.

My conclusion - I have not enough knowladge to support my imagination. That is why I make mistakes.
That is how I understand all things said here.

>>29405145

Depends on what you're trying to do.

Do you know your subject matter well, but you have a hard time to put it in perspective accurately? Then yes, you need to comprehend how perspective drawing works.

Are you able to place the general shapes of it down in any point, but what comes out doesn't look like your subject matter? Then go practice observation and build on your visual library, learn what makes your subject look like your subject.


For the first, the ''How to Draw'' book by Scott Robertson is just the best thing out there, it might take you some time to go over it and apply it all, but you'll improve so much, so quickly.

>>29404808
So can I get some feedback on this I think fixed one? I don't aim to make it perfect. I aim to make as best as I can get. And I think it is as best I can get without anyone redling it.

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>>29404694
>what are you guys working on?

Playing with anatomy this morning. I find adding some sorrow-filled screams helps.

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>>29402949
people have life and work, can't post everytime like you, faggot

>>29404808
The butt is somehow flat.
I don't know how to draw butts but have this.

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>>29404694
>what are you guys working on?

A request for the Draw Thread is what i am working on

>>29404808
Her tail seems very small.

>>29405355
Wow those look great! May I ask how long have you been drawing ponies and in general?

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>>29405305

>>29405684
oh boy

>>29405545

Been drawing for three years total and ponies for two years. That first year of drawing was pretty bad in terms of being directionless.

>>29405684
I appreciate that. But this goes off of my idea. But thanks to you I realized ass is a little bit too round and I should make head a little bit bigger.

>>29405718
As someone who is just starting out I have a few more questions if you dont mind.

How many hours a day did you spend drawing on average during those years?

What do you mean with directionless? What can I do to avoid feeling like I was directionless when looking back?

>>29405862

>How many hours a day did you spend drawing on average during those years?

Roughly 3 hours a day everyday since July 2015. I work a 40/hr per week job and have a family so 3 hours is about the most I can do. On my off days I can make a whole day out of drawing. I quit video games and spend all of my free time on art.

>What do you mean with directionless?

I drew things but it wasn't really a focused effort. I was jumping from subject to subject and I wasn't having fun. I was drawing everyday but it felt like a chore. The only positive thing I can say about that first year is that I got some mileage out of it and I got rid of chicken-scratching. I almost quit about 8 months in.

[cont next post]

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>>29406031
>>29405862

>What can I do to avoid feeling like I was directionless when looking back?

Draw things you're interested in (in this case its ponies) and become fascinated with it. Ponies are a good subject though /ic/ would disagree with me. I feel they're good for learning. Ponies are aesthetically pleasing because they are meant to sell a product. Their appeal is there, their proportions are there, etc. We are challenged with the task of matching the aesthetics and energy of those professional works. They're simple but complex at the same time.

But it doesn't stop at ponies. You have to have the hunger to get better. Find other things that interest you and do that. Sprinkle shit in that you hate and draw it anyway. Life studies, etc. Just fucking do it.

Right now I'm enamored with the scapula of the pony and how it corresponds to drawing the other parts of the pony. How it is different in humans and other mammals. The size and shape determines the animal's gait and movement. Scapula and humerus go in very specific angles in relation to the body's perspective. if you can understand these angles you can literally do any pose you want. It's what I'm currently trying to understand. Of course this is said for every bone in the body and its proportion/position but the shoulder blade in particular is an oddity to me so I've been focusing on it. A certain amount of autism is required. I'm starting to realize how nuanced everything is. Everything has to be in relationship with each other just so or the pony will look "off". This has the unfortunate side-effect of stiffening my poses but for learning purposes it will have to do.

>>29406039
thats neat

>>29406039
>>29406031
Thank you very much for the in depth answers! I've been doing quite a bit of technique exercises it feels like a chore like you said. I'll add some pony in there and see what happens. Couldn't even imagine quitting vidya for drawing at this point.

>>29405052
The point of practicing observational skills is to learn how to learn. You can read about all these concepts about light and whatnot in a book, but when you learn how to observe and study from life, then you'll be making some quick gains. I can't tell you how helpful still lives are. It's one of those things you don't really appreciate until you get much better doing a few of them. You can study anything from observation including perspective. I also recommend doing it from life, preferably in sunlight if you want to study value and color. Colors under artificial light, pictures, or images displayed on a screen will never be as good as things under that glorious sun. As for it's use for imagination, you can probably guess the rest.

For perspective and the like. It's good to understand and practice it, but don't stress too much on it. Once you get comfy with it and are able to build your spatial sense enough to eyeball it, you'll start to realize things don't need to be perfect to look good. Your eyes themselves are lenses that distort images.

>>29405145
We're always making mistakes. Getting better just makes your mistakes more controlled. Don't worry too much about it, Anon. Just draw what you love and apply what you learn.

>>29406039
I don't tell my other art friends but I got more comfy with color and light drawing poners. When they comment how much better I've gotten the last few months I just go, "Ehh, yeah I guess." Working with simple shapes allowed for much more freedom for me in that regard.

>>29406656

We're all gonna make it.

>>29406583

Anytime, mate. Just be careful about too much technical stuff. You may burn yourself out on it. Make the time to draw for fun.

If anyone ever wants to chat you can message me on my Tumblr postitsketchdump.tumblr.com or message me on discord Post-it#5338. I'm always up for art talk or whatever.

Have tablet. Must redline.

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>>29408169
Hooray for Redliner

>>29408169
I'm good for doing paintovers now too, had to reformat to get my driver working. Need to get obs again though.

>>29408169
>>29408347
I would post something to give you work but I have nothing to. I am working on one tho.

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>>29408424
It's cool, senpai. Take your time with it.

>>29404694
I doodled a rarepepe last night. Maybe I'll finish it later when I into commissions.

>>29408453
R-senpai can you post the correct to do way instain color over grey?
>>29408424
Good it'll give me time to finish mis tacooooosssss

>>29408509
https://sendvid.com/osmqy25g This?

Reminds me, I should compile these so I don't lose them, just in case.

>>29408521
yas thnk yu and you totally shouldd

>>29408169
You found your stylus?

>>29408562
no I just found a different one's stylus/cord

>>29408531
Done http://rhorsedoodles.tumblr.com/Paintover%20Archive

>>29408746
Thank youuu

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There is always not enough waifu.
This was done as practice. But I like it and I'll maybe do something with it.

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more twigles pls

>people who only draw porn
never going to make it

>>29409297

If their intention is to only draw porn, they are definitely going to make it. You can make porn out of anything if rule 34 is to be trusted, so even not even the most remote and alien objects out of scope.


Moon rock porn when

>>29409313
I don't think he means financially.

>>29409297
I can draw you Rainbow Dash flying trough the sky. But even if I do my best with character I will do so bad background that you will vomit. Believe or not but clop is not that bad to practice characters. When I master them I'll jump to backgrounds. That is my goal. No rush. Who says I have to draw landscapes after 7 months of drawing at all?

>>29409319
You don't have to draw backgrounds at all, if you don't care about ever getting good that is.

>>29409297
There's a lot of badass people who draw mostly porn. As long as you're always drawing and always learning, you will make it.

>>29403465
>>29403236
I definitely thought those legs were too thick, but they're still too thin.

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>>29409335
I'll try this next.

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>>29409343

>>29409319
After thinking it's not even 7 months. 5 of that was meaningless trying to do things without asking for help or even looking for it. Then I posted here and it helped a lot because now I understand some things and now what I still do not understand.

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moving on to 3/4 view 1min sprints

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Good night improvement thread.

>>29409476
Sleep tight

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>>29409447

>1min

Slow down a bit. Give it 5-10 minutes but do the same number of heads. Wait a day or so and examine your "Best of" and figure out what you did right.

>>29409571
Sometimes I do 2mins, and I analyze my work every couple rows. It seemed to work well for my last batch. I feel 5 minutes is far too long

>>29409584

Keep on going, Anon. nice wurkout

>>29409584

The reason I want you to slow down because I want you to focus on the placement on things rather than focusing on how fast you're doing them. Doing fast sketches is a good way to test your speed and accuracy but they're not that helpful. Take a few more minutes to place features down where they need to be. Develop a solid method before haphazardly putting down features.

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Bump before beb

page 8 bump so I dont forget

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>>29409349
familia, the guide lines keep straight in the muzzle
I like how you are improving your lines, keep it up.

This thread is so fucking dead during euro day. I guess I should do more things to keep it alive with content.

bump for more content

>>29412360
At this point, I feel like we should set up a small text forum or image forum I hate having to "bump" and not accepted NSFW

So if you have an opinion:
http://www.strawpoll.me/12276967

What should I look for when shopping for a tablet?

Did that gallery of poses ever get finished?

>>29412768
You can post nsfw, just link it through imgur.

>>29412863
consider the size of your monitor and where you will be drawing. for example, any small tablet works great on my 17" laptop and it's great for travel, however, my intuous pro medium also works well with it. I have also used it with a big ass Mac but I'm not sure how big it was
>>29412894
Fuck. No, I was too busy being sick and taking naps. I guess I can put it out sometime today

>>29412768
Looks like a great idea. But what with the thread then? I was afraid of asking for ic on normal draw thread and I found this one. Will we link some site for new drawfags there?

>>29412914
Well I suggest a new one just because I figure if we had our own thread they'd kick us out for being pone? I've never read their rules, desu so if they'll have us that could be better; especially if their board runs a lot slower than /mlp/'s

>>29413016
fuck I don't even know what I desu'd

>>29413016
>>29413028
Fuck I don't even know what I've just read.

>>29413035
I was just trying to say that making one on >>/ic/ was a great idea I just wasn't sure if we'd get kicked out for ponies?

>>29413082
I've seen ponies before in /ic/ but I do not know the fate of the posters.

>>29413082
>>29413133
I've heard they never come back.

Also they won't let us because "hurrdurr pony is not real art anime is superior"

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>>29413133
I've posted pony before on /ic/, but it was in an improvement thread long with other things. I think one Anon got assmad but the rest liked my gains. Didn't get banned or anything either.

Pic related.

>>29413227
I think a flood of pony posting would probably trigger them to no end. They also hate Anime, and most things in general. I remember they changed it to stylization general because of all the shitposting.

>>29413369

I remember that drawing

>>29413369
So they are not anime? when I went there 3/4 of the first page was anime. Maybe bad timing.

>>29413227
>Also they won't let us because "hurrdurr pony is not real art anime is superior"
This is what I was worried about.
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Well does anyone else have any suggestions? I can get an image board or a forum or whatever, I just need to know what you guys want

>>29413817
Is there really need for it? Who will make use of it. Me for sure. Maybe this guy who posts us his progress with poses. There's really not much.

>>29413817
>I can get an image board or a forum or whatever, I just need to know what you guys want
What's your plan for driving traffic to this new forum, after everyone who uses the thread currently has moved over? This thread picks up new users just by being in the /mlp/ catalog. A dedicated forum won't have that advantage.

>>29413835
Usually when this happens we merge into the regular drawthread, but it's a lot harder to see /ic/ posts
>>29413847
I'm just putting ideas out. I just wish it didn't take so many bumps to keep this shit up

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how did i do?

>>29413933

I would cuddle her.

>>29413933
the lines on her hair are great but the lines on her eyes are really scratchy. The eye closest to us should be more to the left (our left) but juuust a bit, and your other eye just a bit too short. You're not bad at all; keep it up!

>>29413933
The expression is way too "content" for an average Anon?

>>29414006
me too
>>29414019
aren't eyelashes supposed to be scratchy/hairy lines?
>>29414024
I can't draw expressions yet. it's on the to-do list though

>>29414047
>aren't eyelashes supposed to be scratchy/hairy lines?
No. They are one line, not a bunch of scratches. Also make your lines thicker.
>>29414047
Get on it! Your current goals are: thicker and less scratchy lines, work on expressions! There's a great guide in the OP's pony gallery that I'll grab and post here because no one fucking wants to bother with it

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AND I STILL PLAN ON FINISHING MY GALLERY OF POSES AND SOME SHIT FROM THE PONY IMGUR GALLERY TOO.

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>>29414024
>I can't draw expressions yet. it's on the to-do list though
I found the perfect guide in the tumblr for you. You're welcome

>>29414153
Thank you senpai

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>>29413933
Nice, fix ear and invert image to see wheres crooked.

>>29414024
Not him but I always do happy fillyanons, they said it's ok.

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>>29414153
I also did a small one of these I never finished, haha. I should finish this up to get y'all a bit
>>29414188
That style is much better if it's yours. The anon pony, her neck is too far back
>>29414167
No problemo. Expect more to come(especially if you stick around here)

>>29412768
Sounds good but:

I'm a bit worried that it would kill the community we have here. You never expect nice people on 4chan, which gives you skin of steel in case of trolls but makes any help even more valuable. It's that you don't come here to hear people tell you how good you are even if you are shit, and it's good to know you are going to get real /ic/ and not get your ego stroked

May attract more anti-pony trolls just to ruin the experience, especialy with the NSFW content.

on the pros:
it would allow for a nice, centralized place for all things "pony drawfag improvement", it would perhaps have a greater impact then the OP with links

as you said, no need for bumps and no removed NSFW

possibly more accepting to a new community which may have a "picture" in their head on what 4chan is or isn't!

But I see more pros ten cons, so it might be worth the try!

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>>29414598
>possibly more accepting to a new community which may have a "picture" in their head on what 4chan is or isn't
I made pic related when we called this thread the "Drawfag Ship" (character is my mini OC:redliner)
Overall though, I think we should just do our best to keep this thread alive. It's it's taking a lot bumps then let it die and post in the Drawfag thread until someone sees we need something better. So I guess nothing has changed~

>>29414758
Also, I'm going to draw something on paper and ask you guys for /ic/ for once

>>29414598
I don't think a split community is a good idea. Is the absence of nsfw really worth migrating to a new site?

>>29414825
Do you believe in us so much that we learned enough to fix your mistakes?

>>29414886
Yes. I BELIEVE IN YOU WHO BELIEVES IN ME WHO BELIEVES IN ME... OR SOMETHING.
>>29414871
The biggest issue (like 75%) is that our thread is very slow and the amount of bumps sucks. The NSFW content isn't a big problem, it takes like a literal 2 minutes to do the Imgur thing.

Do you have it too that one of your eyes sees colors more saturated? When I look at monitor with just right eye everything is so bright. When with left colors are more grayish. Should it work like this or I am retarted.

>>29414936
It sucks but it is normal.

>>29414986
I was working with just my left (greyish) eye because right decided to catch some shit and don't let it go. When I got rid of it and looked at what I did I was like "What the fuck is that!"

>>29415026
You could have color blindness. There are tests online you can do or just see your general or eye doctor and they can diagnose it. Also if you're a male you're a lot more likely to have it than females.

>>29414933
I know what you mean but i think the issue is convincing people to frequent here more often, rather than pack up. I draw pretty much every day for 30-60mins in the evening, but I don't always post. If I had a reason to post every day I could bump more often, but I'm not able to give solid advice yet.

>>29415092
I thought color blindness only affected males?

>>29415121
No, it's just a lot more common in males because it chills out on the Y chromosome or something

>>29415126
I am not colorblind for sure. It's just, when I use both eyes everything is like it should be, but if use one eye hues differ a little. Just like you would have moved saturation from point 0 (both eyes) to left and right.

>>29415218
I am going to quote myself from earlier: See your general or eye doctor. Despite being a hypochondriac, this isn't the place for this

>>29415218
I don't notice any difference between my left and right eye hue. I can get varying hue in either eye by having one closed for a long period of time or just generaly getting the light cones stimulation in an off-balance way (like looking at the light with only one eye). Then i loose a bit of red in one eye for a short period of time. Other then that it's not normal to have different color vision in one eye. you should see an eye doctor for that in case it's serious.

Okay so this gallery is a few guides to help you draw and a few pictures to figure out how to copy the pose.

http://imgur.com/a/GjPGl
http://imgur.com/a/GjPGl
http://imgur.com/a/GjPGl
http://imgur.com/a/GjPGl

YOU'RE WELCOME. I'll probably add more shit if you want me to.

>>29415580
That's normal. That's how eyes work. Go back to drawing.

>>29415588
2 exams in 2 days. After almost 2 weeks of free time. I guess I'll try it all. Also good oportunity to practice shading on some poses.
Thanks!

>>29415705
You and others can tell me what else you'd like to see more of

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>>29402893
>no wing muscle connectivity diagram

>>29415715
I didn't make any of the tutorials up there; I don't own that gallery. I can make one when I have the time since a lot of people have been bitching about one

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>>29413933
take two.

I feel like the eyes might be too far apart, so I included the guide to see if anyone notices what might be wrong with it

>>29415909
The eyes need to be wider towards the middle and moved a bit to the left as well

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Is it good?
I think it's my best pony drawing yet.

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>>29416287
those lines are pretty good anon. but it looks like you need to study proportions

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>>29411825
Is this better?

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>>29416587
This is the pose, by the way.

>>29416587
Breddy gud desu.

>>29416587

Well, that's some serious improvement for a couple days ago

>>29416591
Why don't you draw the correct hair? (Rarity, in this case) It's okay not to, I'm just wondering why not?
>>29416840
Agreed.
>>29416587
Professor Redliner is quite pleased.

>>29416587
Legs are maybe a little thin for as long as they are if you're going to regular pone, front left leg's lines should extend a bit farther over her body (not much just some), and her chest might be jutting out a bit too much toward the bottom.

>>29417527
Because Twilight is superior.
*not the guy*

Can I get some advice on shading? Mostly neutral shading, like in a cloudy day. Shading from a defined light source like sun or a lamp is not to hard to get but hell, I have no idea how all of this works with weak lightsource and ubiquitous light.
Some recommended guides to look at?

>>29416587
I have a feeling the eye should go slightly to the left and slightly to the bottom

>>29415709
More of lying and sitting would be nice.

>>29417924
Do you have an example of what you're working on? It'd be easier to help if you did.

Through from what I gather from your question, you don't understand how light works as a whole. What do you mean weak light source. Like from a candle? It lights up a pretty small area. As for the ubiquitous light you get from a cloudy day, it's the same idea as the diffused atmospheric light you would see in shadows on a sunny day. Only instead of straight up blue it would be blueish grey, which is due to Rayleigh scattering. Hell, the sky itself is blue because of that too. For everything else, imagine as if it were something under a lamp but take other shit into consideration.

To simplify everything for now though.
>Some things reflect things more than others. (Texture)
>Particles reflect light into whichever direction, and the wavelength stays at a relatively high nm making it blue (Rayleigh scattering).
>Some things absorb a little light before it gets reflected back out making it seem more reddish because the wavelength slows down (Subsurface scattering).
>Somethings reflect light though bends it first (Refraction).
Can't think of others off the top of my head if there are any, but to simplify everything is like a less intense mirror and without these mirrors we wouldn't be able to see jack shit.

Sorry for the long rant/lecture, I can't sleep and it'd be more focused if you showed what you were working on. If you want to read more in depth of the topic, this site helped me a lot when I was learning about color and light. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ligcon.html#c1 I can answer more questions too, but I don't have everything memorized. Just most because I can be autismal as fuck with these things.

>>29418091
Oh god... after all of this arent you an optics phisician?
Also I just got the simplest idea ever. I have small figures of ponies. I can just place them in different places and see how the stuff works.

And I mean't by light source. Lamp gives a strong light, so the shadows are strong and very defined. On cloudy day shadows look more blured. Well, that's how I get it for the start. I am really a newfag into this.

>>29418148
No, I just don't have a life outside of studying art so I try to learn everything that may or may not help me get better when I'm not actively drawing. I think I spent half my day cooking and taking tests through a program to see if I remember the names of every muscle in the human body because Monday is usually a lazy day for me.

And kind of, It's just that things in a room under a light source focused directly on it will have a better value read than things outside in a cloudy area, which has all that diffused atmospheric light everywhere making the shapes around forms would look a bit more softer and flat.

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>>29418186
Pic related, kek.

desu all of these were kind of underwhelming because all the muscle names have the placement and function in the latin name. Others have it's general shape or whatever.

>>29418186
I hate reading and learning stuff. I prefere doing it. I guess I'll go with "Practice makes perfect". Seems to work for me the best.

>>29418212
That's cool, I know some people who learn the same way. I'm the kind of person that won't know what to really look for unless I understand certain things about what I'm doing first. I didn't go and memorize all the equations on that site yet? I just read to know why something happens and where I can expect it to happen again if I'm drawing from imagination, or if I'm just plain curious about it. A lot of this stuff I've first noticed looking around outside or doing still lives though.

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>>29418212

I'm the same way. Books put me the fuck to sleep and drawing is fun. I'm going to do what's fun even if it takes longer. I have a life-time to get good.

>>29418231

We're all gonna make it.

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how do i fix the body

>>29418353
Limbs are noodley, you need to think in volumes in order to make your drawing less flat. I can tell you did it with the head but you gotta do it with the whole drawing or it will look off. Everything is also slightly skewed to the left. It maybe something youre doing subconsciously so watch out for it.

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Morning warm-up heads. What's every one up today? Any ongoing projects?

>>29417527
I do draw Rainbow's mane. Rarity's in particular takes too long for me, and at the moment, I'm practicing poses and proportions; I'll focus on manes and sxpressions later.

By the way, would it be helpful for me to namefag?

>>29418689
That's understandable. If You want to draw really simple manes I'd go with Rainbow Dash
>By the way, would it be helpful for me to namefag?
Sure, if you wanna

>>29415715
>wing
what do you want for this tutorial?I know pony/griffon wings pretty well, I might be able find or draw one

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So I've never drawn anything in my life except for some anatomically incorrect stickman, but I have loads of free time these next couple of months, since I'm just NEETing around, and I'd like to give drawing a shot.

Anyway, do I just grab pen&paper, and try to draw cute pones with the guidlines above or what do I do?

>>29418980
Take a pose, simple pose. Maybe some standing pony from a side view. Look at guids provided. Analize where things are. Try to copy the pose.

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>>29418524
any better ?

>>29419049
The joint on front leg is broken. It looks like its leg in this place bends backwords why it should outwords. I am too bad to make redlines or whatever but I get what it's wrong. I hope you get it.

What about, if bumping the thread is a problem, it drops its "general" nature. By this I mean encouraging anons to make their own improvement thread if they want one, whenever they want one. redliner, !RhorsEK53., or whoever feels like they can help can go there to offer specific advice until the thread naturally dies. If such a spontaneous thread evolves into a temporary all around art discussion, then that's even better. Isn't that how an imageboard is supposed to work?

Or, just don't make a new drawfag thread immediately after the current one dies. Give it a small break of maybe 1-3 days.

NSFW is a small issue. Perhaps modify the OP slightly with a quick reminder:
>>What is this?
>This is the Drawfag improvement thread
>Here you can share and discuss art, while also helping and receiving feedback from other aspiring drawfags!
>Lewd critiques are welcome; link it from https://imgur.com/ or another image host.

>>29419264
>encouraging anons to make their own improvement thread
Spamming the board with lots of smaller threads which die quickly doesnt sound like an improvement in the slightest. It is much better to be concentrated here where you can pretty much always get help from multiple skilled people.
I, for one, would never have stumbled across this thread if it weren't for the "general" nature of it.

>>29419300
>Spamming the board with lots of smaller threads which die quickly doesnt sound like an improvement in the slightest.
I don't think it would spammy enough to be a problem. There would probably be only a couple drawfags who would be willing to make their own threads.

>It is much better to be concentrated here where you can pretty much always get help from multiple skilled people.
Instead of sticking to a single thread, those same skilled people could browse the whole board and jump in whenever critiques or advice is wanted.

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>>29418353

>>29419264
>>29419363
Still it is better like it is now. I've seen some new people yestarday and today. Now I just only hope they'll stay and won't be afraid of critique.

>>29419451
If you think it's better having the Drawfag Improvement General, then the solution is simply directing anons to come here until the thread has sufficient traffic that bumps solely for the purpose of keeping it alive are no longer required.

>>29419516
I don't know if you want front legs to be faced inwards for a cute effect or it is a mistake. If you take left leg and mirror it living it in same place it will look better.

>>29419363
>There would probably be only a couple drawfags who would be willing to make their own threads.
>the rest of the drawfags wouldn't even try to git gud, or even start drawing whatsoever
>we would essentially kill a number of potential drawfags
>but it's for the greater good, because there would be a general less on the catalog
>and generals kill creativity
Flawless.

>>29419264

This thread only exists here because r15: All pony/brony threads, images, Flashes, and avatars belong on /mlp/ - or else a thread like this might be on /ic/. Asking for help drawing pony on /ic/ may not get you banned but you'll probably get ignored.

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>>29419449
>>29419569
trust me dude i try i guess i;m to autistic to figure out how to draw them

>>29419702
look at some pony guides in op. There are plenty of poni leg guids there.

>>29419644
>There would probably be only a couple drawfags who would be willing to make their own threads.
Or more. It doesn't matter.
>the rest of the drawfags wouldn't even try to git gud, or even start drawing whatsoever
>we would essentially kill a number of potential drawfags
That's their problem. As has been mentioned many times before, if you need a reason to keep drawing, then it may not be for you.
>and generals kill creativity
Don't strawman please. Generals have the problem of needing to bumped. I'm not trying to kill creativity.

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BEFORE YOU ASK, THE IMGUR GALLERY IS HERE: http://imgur.com/a/m7zQ2
>>29418980
Hey, welcome! You should use pencil over pen first because you're going to have a shit load of mistakes.
If you can, just get a really cheap sketch book Use this yuge imger gallery of anatomy once you finish like, black, greys
and white shapes like pic related
>>29419264
I make a good 60-70% of the threads.and I am best available Friday-Monday
>>29419516
I like doing challnges but some people really hate them so I dunno

>>29419750
My apologies, Anon. I completely missed the point here.

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a redline would be majorly helpful bc i know i fucked up that leg

>>29419936
Oh hell you did.

>>29419702
any attempt is better than none
keep those foreleg lengths in mind

nsfw in the link http://i.imgur.com/BqRQ7CT.png
Am I doing it right?

>>29419965
yeah
>>29419936
nvm the redline im just finishing this shit

>>29420204
Did you fix it?

>>29419857
>once you finish like, black, greys
and white shapes like pic related
so you're saying I should do some basic geometric forms until I'm comfortable doing those?

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>>29420227
i tried, just got rid of the failed foreshortening

>>29419644
>>29419363
>>29419300
Yeah, even /ic/ frowns on that. Most of it's threads like that are shitposts and I don't doubt horsefuckers will see it as the same.

You seem to have things mixed up. Generals don't kill creativity and freedom, multiple quest threads Rip old /tg/., lots of shit posting, and general high speed board activity do. Generals form to combat that so that people with similar interests don't have to worry about falling off and not being seen. The only thing they have a danger of doing on 4chan is becoming a circlejerk. It seems inevitable with them but as long as people post art and ask questions, I won’t complain.

As for the bumping, I dislike it too. I'd rather folk post wip or discus something instead of bump. But singular threads can be bumped too, and often are. This is the lesser of two evils if you're worried about wasting one knew slot for a thread, and if a wayward Anon decides he wants to try and get better coming across this thread by accident, it's probably worth keeping it up. Also, I'd rather refresh thread watch than lurk the catalog for shit to be autistic about.

>>29419857
Do we need to sketch the JPEG artifacts too?

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Wannabe drawfag here, currently doing some practice trying to understand heads. Does this look alright?

>>29420581
>people with similar interests don't have to worry about falling off and not being seen.
Basically doesn't that mean >>29412768
>we should set up a small text forum or image forum
is best? Put a link to it in the standard drawthread for soaking up new users and inform anons to go there when questions arise. It would be the same process except linking a forum instead of a thread. The userbase is anons picked up from 4chan, so real criticism is to be expected.

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>>29420850
Pretty good.

>>29420850
You are not a beginner aren't you? It looks like you drew other stuff already.

>>29420850
>wannabe drawfag

That's pretty solid. Very nice turnarounds. Only thing I can critique is that the middle top pones eyes look a little odd. They're a little too big and have bit of a "insane" look to them. Head-on views can be difficult through. How do you handle bodies?

>>29420875

Other than the thread dying and needing to be bumped every 3 hours I dont see the issue with just sticking to these threads. It's being advertised in the regular draw thread so the newcomers flock to this thread and the normies stay out. I keep a mental note to bump every few hours and before bed but I'm on burger time and I sleep for about 10 hours so the thread has a potential of kill between then.

If we move to a forum then where? I wouldn't mind making a discord server and seeing how that goes but there's already a draw thread discord that a lot of drawfags hang out in so there's no point then. It would get cluttered very quickly with an influx of newer drawfags and oldfags from the other discord. A lot of older drawfags would join just to be included but not even contribute. I'm saying all this because I've already experienced that social behavior first hand. It always ends poorly.

Keeping it all in a thread like this keeps the ones who won't contribute out. If someone shit posts here they run out of steam quickly because no one pays attention to shit posts here.

Anyway my two cents on the subject.

>>29420926

What I thought too but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He has experience but probably never considered drawing pony or considered becoming a drawfag for pony.

>>29420999
Oh the numbers mate!

I try to bump thread during the burger night but sometimes I go play vidya and forget to look at which page thread is.

>>29420926
>>29421010
https://youtu.be/YNwFQ4WGi_E?t=14s

>>29420999
>Other than the thread dying and needing to be bumped every 3 hours I dont see the issue with just sticking to these threads.
Very well. It seems the consensus is to just stick to a thread, which is perfectly fine. Sorry for carrying on with non-art related crap.

>>29420926
>>29421010

Kind of, not really though. I've been wanting to get into it for a few years now, doodled a bit here and there but never took it seriously enough at all. I know a bunch of theoretical stuff just from having read up a lot, just have never really put it to practice, I'm still having troubles with that, too. Only started drawing semi-regularly this summer, or at least trying to, it's still nowhere near as much as I want to.

>>29420999

Right, they seem a bit off to me as well. As for Bodies, still pretty iffy. I'll try doodling a few in a bit.

>>29421081
So welcome my dear friend. Your drawing story looks almost like mine.
I hope you'll stay with us for a while and show us what you're doin!

>>29421132
But with one major difference. I still know shit about drawing.

>>29421064
Why can't we do both?

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>>29421132

Thanks a lot! This does seem like a nice enough place, so I'll try to stick around.

>>29421595
Looking good familia. Think about taking a request in the draw thread?

>>29421700
Not really, I don't think I'd trust myself to be up to it, although it'd probably be great for practice. I might just do it, though right now i'm going to sleep, it's past 4am here. Tomorrow's another day, good night you all.

>>29416587
Yes, try to use some reference to the mane.

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Okay, here's today's pose.

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>>29422225

>>29421830
Sleep well.

>>29422225
>>29422230
http://imgur.com/a/phEKJ

I have a question, I've been looking to make the transition to digital art but am a poorfag, is it even safe to buy a refurbished drawing tablet? Typically in life, I don't buy anything used previously despite my poorfag status but I'm quite desperate at the moment

>>29422509
Do you have any source of income? If you can get your hands on a Bic pen, which are usually free in some places in the west like hotels and stuff, and a huge roll of newsprint or cheap brown wrapping paper for 5$ you'll be set for months while spending close to nothing.

Other than that, I'd just save up for something of a nice size and of a quality that will last you for years. Though if you're really that desperate, go for it. It's probably not safe though.

>>29422542
>Do you have any source of income?
No, I am a NEET, I only get 100 dollars every year on my birthday and christmas respectively...so right now I have little bit under two hundred dollars and I have to save a bit for other stuff like my ticket to see the MLP movie and stuff

So, /blogpost over, is it a really bad or sketchy deal to get a refurbished wacom? Because for me it's just a hobby atm I'm trying to get better at so, it doesn't have to be top of the line super duper pro stuff but I also don't want to spend money on something if it's just gonna break the next day

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>>29422780
>refurbished
Seems a bit sketchy.

Jokes aside, I probably wouldn't trust something used unless it were an intuos 3 or grapphire (or anything known to be a complete tank).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0003009AI/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1486452961&sr=1-1&keywords=Wacom+Intuos3&condition=used Is 180$ in your price range?

If it isn't and you're shooting for something newer and cheaper, a lot of times tablets do have maintenance costs. If you do get one, also invest in some kind of cover, like transparency film (which are stupid cheap) or Tempered Glass (Slightly more expensive but will last for longer than a year or two.) Because a lot of newer tablets have textures surfaces and them feeling any better is a huge meme. They are like sandpaper for your pen nibs which are like 15$ for a few, one lasting maybe a week or two even if you aren't drawing full time.

>>29422823
It's a shame really, those used to be like 60$ but Intuos stopped producing them because they would live 10 years at the least and people weren't buying newer tablets or pen nibs. The newer drivers are shit too.

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>>29422823
I was going to buy this DESU but I figured I would ask some people first

>>29422225
>tfw can't think of something lewd even with this innocent cutie mark
this board has ruined me

>>29422868
I wouldn't recommend something really small to start off. You'll most likely use your wrist without realizing it. Is there something cheaper without the multi touch function? I can only think of 2 people including me that doesn't openly despise it (Even then it gets annoying sometimes) and it often makes things a lot more expensive than they have to be.

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>>29423186
Idk man I've never used these things before, that's all I can find for the price I wanna spend though

>>29423294

Save up for something decent and stay traditional for now, mate. Are you new to drawing? If so, fundamentals are fundamentals either way.

>>29421830
You ale in same timezone as me. Would be funny if we are close to eachother.

>>29423355
Your autism is showing

Guys, how do I stop my all my layers from merging with the background when I press merge? I just want them to merge in a subgroup so the background is never reached by mistake.

>>29423389
I am very autistic. I don't even have to show it, it's just pouring out of me.

>>29423294
Fair enough. If you're really, really desperate, go for it if you can get some kind of a refund if it falls apart. Still seems shady though.
Otherwise, this.
>>29423340
Perspective and gesture studies are a lot more fun tradtitionally anyways.

>>29423392
Are you using photoshop? Select all the layers you want to merge and then ctrl+E. I'm not sure it works in other programs though.

>>29423394

Yes, using Photoshop. Is there a command to quickly select new or last layer so I don't have to select layers?

Thanks for the helppo

>>29423477

>So I don't have to click the layers*

I am lazy

>>29423477
Not sure. Can make an action hotkey for it probably though.

Does anyone have any suggestion on how to make eyes not look weird?
I tried one million different shapes and position of both the sockets and the pupils, but I think I might lack some basic thing that makes them look weird.

>>29423503

I'll have a look, thanks

>>29423522
It might be easier to get why if we see it.
I have a huge problem with placement of eyes too. I never make them right with first try, I have to move them milion times.

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>>29422225


>>29422509
i;m a poorfag too i literally draw this with the touchpad from my laptop in ms paint

>>29424108
Touchpad. Laptop. Paint.
Are you a god?

>>29424108
Very impressive considering your predicament.

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>>29424108

>>29424185
kek

>>29424663
I would take out this dark pink corner of the eye.
And you are a god.

>>29424675
But back leg is fucked up. I just noticed.

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>>29424675
>>29424683
of course it is i'm the same fag how cant draw pony legs from earlier >>29419702

also i should stop spamming this image

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>>29424756
Ok now I get it.
Here you have a leg!

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>>29424108
>i literally draw this with the touchpad from my laptop in ms paint

Ok. Time to get fuking serius. In my eyes I can say I am decent. But I don't want to be decent. I want to be good. Some day I want some person to say to me "Hey! This is a nice picture" rather than "Hey this and this is broken".
I know it takes time but I have it. How to calm down fucking ambition and get to do small stuff. How to force myself to do lots of sketches instead of full works.

>>29425665
you need a support system. someone to tell you everyday " what have you done today?" its simple but it WILL make you do something, you need to be inspired, try to find art streamers and groups who draw, if you place yourself in a group thats always drawing you will draw to catch up. there is no trick, its all about you in the end. im sorry.

>>29425741
The problem I have is when I do a sketch I don't feel compelled. I love to show what I have done to other people but I feel sketches are not enough. I have to change attitude and start telling myself "do it for yourself" I guess...

>>29425780
That's fair, desu I've grown to be the same way. Don't like showing unfinished stuff. Just warming up to the idea of streaming in google hangouts again (mostly because other people are too busy working to notice how much of a shit you're being in photoshop), but it keeps you working nonetheless. Sometimes Post-itbro and I will go into this one of you want to try it out for yourself, though I'm a bit busy atm.

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/event/horsefuckers

>"Hey! This is a nice picture" rather than "Hey this and this is broken"
To be honest the latter is pretty nitpicky. Not good Critique of you can even call it that. If it makes you feel better, I lurk the threads a few times a day and go for, "Here's what you did right, and here's what you can do better." I can't speak for everyone in the thread though.

>How to calm down fucking ambition and get to do small stuff. How to force myself to do lots of sketches instead of full works.
That's a great attitude to have. Don't try to kill it, work with it. Start something big and when you get stuck on a particular thing, take a break from it and do some side sketches focusing on what you are stuck on and then go back to it.

That's how you'll make even faster gains because you'll be applying what you learn directly afterwards.

>>29426059
So if I want to finish what I am doing but for instance got stuck as fuck on a leg position I should try to draw what I want a little differently till I be happy with it? That seems fine.
I am the type who gets the idea and want to put it down. I can't just take a pen and draw bunch of heads. Well, I can maybe, I did it before when redliner told me to practice heads. But it was more of torture then fun. It payed of tho...
I am on a crossroad...

>>29426127
That's the just of it. "Erase your darlings," if they don't seem right. You probably didn't have fun because you were drawing heads aimlessly, if it's for something bigger, you'll likely enjoy it more.

>>29426178
So I'll stay with what I have I guess. I still need to study a lot on perspective and shading. I want to jump into background then. I hope I'll laugh at my old works in a year.

>>29424756
>the eye
why?

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There's a bunch of stuff looking off to me here, namely the legs and face, I just can't really put my finger on what exactly is wrong. Could somebody lend me an eye?

(I'm sorry I didn't post this last night but I had this idea)
>>29420875
>>29421064/
>>29421057
>>29421081
How about every Sunday afternoon (I guess in PST-EST, if the Drawfag Helpy-Welpy Thread is down, THAT'S when we should restart it. If thread dies on Monday, so be it; we'll have to wait til Sunday.
If that makes sense. Sorry if it doesn't, I'm really fuckin sick this week

>>29427271
The eyes creep me out. Other that, your face looks OK.

The legs look a little...I don't know, it's like they're not quite in the right spot or not quite the right length.

>>29427271
>>29427317
>The eyes creep me out. Other that, your face looks OK.
The eyes creep you out because they're not conformed(for lack of a better word) to the shape - which is why they SHOULD look oval-ish

>>29427317

I think they look cute

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>>29427317
>>29427333
Right, I get what you mean. How's this?

As for the legs, I know what you mean. I feel as if the hind ones are a bit thick and the forelegs are misaligned.

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>>29427482
Yes but closer to the ear.. and, fuck I can't speak it, I have to transform tool it to death

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Are the rear legs on the pony being held done correctly? Does it seem like the pony holding the other one's torso is too short in comparison to the one being held? Any other ways to improve this? Thanks in advance for any help anyone has to give.

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>>29422225

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>>29427781

>>29427745
Bottom pony's right (our left) leg is too small. The top pony's torso is in the wrong spot so it looks like its back is broken. Also your eyes on both ponies are not shaped correctly.

I'd give some visual feedback but I'm phoneposting

Quick NSFW question, how do you guys do your fluids? What kind of color do you use, how do you apply it, that kind of stuff.
Not really concerned about cum, moreso interested in vaginal fluids.

>>29428558
A darker shade of the base color with specks of white color where the light reflects.

>>29428558
There is like a shitton of guides lying around the internet how to draw any kind of fluids.

Will it be someting wrong if I very rarely post something not pony here? I feel comfy in this place.

>>29429093
>>29408453
I did. Go for it.

>>29427303
The chances are that if it dies on monday, someone from the community will start a new one up anyway. I wouldn't worry about it

>anatomy for improving drawing
>connects the radius to the sternum

This is why most of you retards draw pony legs like praying mantis legs.
b
Kill yourselves.

>>29430073
Where is your drawing?

>>29430073
I litteraly dont even know what did you say. And I don't care.

>>29430073

The radius is obviously connected to the humerus, which connects to the scapula. Wash the cum away from your eyes and look again, you blindstard.

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>>29430073
>>29430377

>>29429093
Yeah I don't give a shit; in fact, it'll bring more, uh... traffic, so bring it on. People can also do human ponies if you want. I'd like to say people can imgur post furry shit but I can't help you with that and I don't know if anyone else can.
>>29429875
Yea, I mean whatever happens happens

>>29430806
Maybe noone can redline anthro, but if something is wrong as fuck anyone can notice and point it out. I am going to do some drawing of Arc Warden from Dota 2 so I guess I put it somewhere between ponies.

>>29430866
Okay but I have absolutely no knowledge of that kind of thing (armor) so maybe someone else does :S

>>29430920
I still have idea of a crossover in my mind. But I am too bad to make it.

Bumpix

>>29430866
Human anatomy is EZmode, fampai. I could redline that shit if I find the time.

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Now I am working on this. Believe or not but this is commision. So I want it to be good. It's a 2 oc simple scene. I will fix the eyes on stallion. Like always they are fucked up. But how the poses? Seems rather simple but I might fuck up something.


>>29432250
So I know who to ask! Yay.

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super autistic question here:

How are ponies supposed to blink? what they do in the show seems completely wrong but I feel like they did it for the sake of easier animation. Shouldn't the eyelids be closing more (relatively) horizontally than the normal anthropomorphized vertical closure?

I attached a pic to help explain what I'm talking about.

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>>29430073
this is what I use as a reference tbhh fammm

>>29402893
Is there a reference for drawing crotchboobies?

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you'll get better at drawing if you draw

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>>29427781

>>29427538
Gotcha, thanks for that, I'm still having some troubles with imagining the eyes in a 3d-space.

>>29432348
It would probably look really fucking weird if done correctly, but I'd say try it and see.

>>29413376
>>29413369
hey, I was there when you uploaded that, good for you, have you keep improving?

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>>29432991
here's an example of someone doing it right

>>29432348
believe me anon, pony eyes are that way for the sake of stilization, as >>29432991 said before, it's better if you adapt them to specific contexts.

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>>29433027
and another
>>29433035
what contexts are you thinking?

Hypothetically, what do you guys think would happen if all anons tried to make a new drawing for about every five posts they made? Not just in this thread but throughout the whole board.

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>>29433083
The quality would drop extrememely quickly because not everyone wants to draw that much and they do it to get it over with

>>29433091
Okay, what if was posting at least one new, original image in each thread?

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>>29427990

I made the left leg on the bottom pony
bigger and shifted the torso so it looks
less contorted, and changed the
shape of the eyes. Is there anything else I can
do to improve it?

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>>29433048
the show and a fair number of works with stylistic realism of course.
Examples:
http://assasinmonkey.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://imalou.deviantart.com/gallery/

Their eyelids will act subtly different according to what they perceive works best for them. It's a compromise between a realistic and cartoonistic designs.

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>>29432320

I would extend the snout a little, it's looking a little
stubby as it is now. I would also increase the
size of the left fore-leg.

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progress
>green 1min, purple 2min

going to stop doing 1mins though, it's just not enough time for this view. plus I can start experimenting with different expressions now

>>29433005
Yeh. I got my senpai to notice me.

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>>29427781

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r8 h8 masturb8

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>>29433495

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Playing with colors. Rate/hate

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Bump before bed. Night faggots.

Bu

>>29433235
I changed picture a little. Changeling is higher now. I'll try to do something to the snout. Maybe you are right. I am happy I got bodies right.

>>29434639
I love your style! It's looking good.
>>29434151
You're getting better and better! When will you try some 3/4 and front views?

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Did another. Really unsure of myself with these so any feedback is welcomed.

>>29435802

Thanks mate!

>>29434639
>>29435845
MIRIN
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>>29435802
Do you think I've gotten good enough at the side views to move on to other angles?
Regardless, that'll have to wait until I have more free time.

>>29435912
You will improve your side views too if you get to understand and know how to draw other angles. So I think you migh try! Even if your first attemp will look like tottal crap try again. And mix what you are doing. Dont stop making side views when you start makind like 3/4. Do like - 1 of this and 1 of this.
>>29435845
Hair feels a little bit odd. I can't describe it tho. Maybe to long, too much . Something like that.

>>29435945
too much forward*
I am using a 13 years old computer now, keyboard is fucked up.

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>have full time to draw
>draw nothing
why liv

>>29436399
Set yourself some goal, try a new thing. Works for me.

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>>29427781
Give It To Me Straight, Doc
Do I have autism ?

>>29436536
I think she didn't think it's that big.

bamb

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>>29433495
Another one

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>>29436486
thanks
I'll try some fancy technique
I always fail on it anyway

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>>29437397
Senpai, be careful with that thing in the mouth.
That thing, when its a young face, appears when there's chubby cheeks. And need to be placed correctly.

Hey guys. After noticing that I am painfully slow with drawing, needing 12+ hours for something someone does in 45 minutes, my interest in drawing circles has sparked.

So I would be really grateful if someone could answer me this:
Is it important to be able to draw circles properly?
Is it even a thing to practice drawing circles?
Around how much time does one have to invest in order to be able to draw circles properly?
What exactly would being able to draw circles properly be? Would that be like drawing near-pixel perfect circles from any starting point in any direction? Or more like being able to draw one okay circle out of three attempts?
Also, assuming circles are important, should I practice all the other basic forms just as much? From the bits and pieces I have heard about circle drawing, I have never heard a thing about practicing other forms.

Thanks a bunch

>>29438710
You don't really need to draw perfect circles, anon. As long as you can tell it's a circle rather than, say, an oval, it's okay, really.
And even then, you're gonna be drawing so many goddamn circles with your sketches, that after a while just drawing circles kinda becomes pointless.

And yes, practice other forms. Cubes and squares, for example, are just as useful.

Also, a good way to speed up your drawing process is to just sketch and set a time limit for yourself. I think.

>>29438710
Depends on your skill level. Some will tell you to draw circles on paper for 30 minutes a day. Personally I see little value in it, and I'd instead recommend drawing simple objects that require drawing a circle to start with (like a head or fruit or something.) That at least gives you practice on other forms of muscle memory, and as long as you're timing yourself to spend no longer than a minute on each drawing you can powertrain through this exercise in a couple weeks if you draw several every day.

The key factors are this:
> The more things you draw, the more you improve. Spending long hours on a single drawing hampers your time for practice
> Use your shoulders and elbows
> Perseverance is necessary

>>29438762
>>29438793
Thanks, that was really helpful. It's nice to have a place like this.

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>>29433495

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Somebody have a tutorial or know what the fuck Imalou and Tsitra360 do in photoshop canvas to make nice shades?

I'm dumb today, can't find shit.

>>29439050

A friend of mine who works at cons asked assassinmonkey for me how he renders so beautifully. To no surprised he answered with putting the time and effort into painting studies and life studies. Get the idea out of your head that there is a short cut to getting good at this. If you admire tsitra and imalou so much then literally copy what they're doing. Make a study out of their works. Copy their color palettes, their lines, whatever you admire about them so much try to emulate them.

>>29438710
>>29438793
For some studies, I agree. But once you get some basic fundamentals down (Just enough to build basic spatial sense and can tell when your shit looks shit) and learn the concept of, "I shouldn't jump forward too fast and mind my workflow," it's also good to actually spend those 12 hours on something when it takes others 45 minutes. Think of it like a very tough puzzle. First time you'll probably spend ages on it, but it will look better than everything else you've done. Second time, you'll probably spend half the time getting the same result because you're getting used to the process.

tldr. People are habitual creatures that rely on muscle memory and if you never push yourself to do better than a couple of rough studies, you'll never do better.

>>29439050
I use that method. See how the outline is selected? You lasso the part you want or make a clipping mask and use a big brush. https://sendvid.com/qz95tylf I do it in the last video I made for someone here using a pony shape I just scribbled in so I don't worry about going outside the silhouette. The brush I'm using just has one hard side and one soft side so I can get the shapes down faster.

Does anyone else have trouble visualizing what things are supposed to look like at different angles, even with references?

>>29439173
Yes.

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>>29403465
Drawing from this, how did I do? Any crits? I'll probably continue to draw some of the other references from the thread.

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>>29427781
another one

>>29439882
http://greseres.deviantart.com/art/Applejack-D-291139949

>>29439560
pretty good. The neck is a bit skinny

>>29439199
Good to know I'm not alone in that, at least.

>>29435945
>Hair feels a little bit odd. I can't describe it tho. Maybe to long, too much . Something like that.

Nah I get ya. I exaggerated her bang because I wanted the silhouette to read but I overdid it. I'll watch out for it in the future.

>>29435857

4 u