ISIS levels of monstrosities

This is bait.

>>15804940
fuck, the thing i hate most about ibo is that autist's jacket
it looks so fucking dumb
why would the put this on promotional material

>>15806784

>Has to shoehorn Trump into everything

>>>/pol/
>>>/tv/

>>15806784
>Blaming Trump on long term problems with crew training, retention and performance that festered under Obama's eight years.

Memes aside, I've never watched a mecha show in my life but this was recommended to me, is it good?

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>>15804940

> ISIS levels of monstrosities
You mean these guys?

>>15806844
They didn't do shit though.

>>15806850
Because they're shit already.

>>15806844
Why is Emma glaring at them?

>>15806857
Because she died a virgin.

>>15806861
So did everyone there but Bright tho.

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>>15804940
>IBO
>Expected the Gundam version of Ten Days That Shook the World
>got this shit instead

>>15804940
We need another 9/11

>>15806828
>hurrrr implying the fucking President has anything to do with the incompetence of the average dumbass in the military
I-it's not m-my candidate's fault , it's yours!!1

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>>15806888
IKTF, comrade.

>>15806934
They blamed Trump first; I'm not even American.

>>15804940
Only to their enemies.

The CCG guys who saw them as expendable trash? Fine.

THe Gallahorn members who wanted Kudelia dead in order to get into the good craces of Gallahorns higher ups? cool.

The Pirates paid to attack them? understandable.

Carta who abused her authority to hunt them in countries that Gallahorn had no authority to be in? then used maximum force to crush them and only asked for an honorable duel after she failed? Fine.

Ein and Gallahorn who where interfering in another countries elections to put one of their own lackeys in power? good!

The Business man who hired pirates to kill them and Kudelia, refused to acknowledge his actions, refused to pay Tekkadan back for their damages while also trying to call Gallahorn and his own men to attack Tekkadan? good riddance!

The Traitor in the Earth branch and the Gallahorn mercenary who manipulated Tekkadan members to fight and die in a war Gallahorn ensured to discredit Mcgillis while laughing the Tekkeden members where obedient dogs and human debris? Felt good man.

Jasely for framing the Turbines and bringing in Illegal weaponry into action again? finally!

All the Arinhood members who where ordered to crush them, ignored their surrender, re used illegal weaponry multiple times on them, manipulated the media to make Tekkedan seem evil to the simple minded, and hid their own wrongdoings to appear like the protagonists? If only they killed more. Even Iok wasn't satisfying.

Everything Tekkadan did was a pragmatic response to those who tried to harm them. only Cranks death could be seen as evil, but its what the old man asked for anyway. That and helping Mcgills to capture Bael, but its was all in response to the corrupted Gallahorns workings and their way of fighting for a better lifestyle for Mars that Gallahorn clearly didnt care for.

>>15804940
>Arinhood Fleets organizes a massacre of Dort workers so that the workers don't get any benefits or better conditions

>Galio is seen killing Gallahorn MS fighters multiple times due to Kimaris speed and his poor accuracy, but no condemnations.

>Ein AS MS brings condemnation against Gallahorn, but instead of getting rid of it, they make the AS-E system, enhancing it.

>Rustal organizes a war to bring down Mcgillis reputation.

>Iok Awakens a Mobile armor and only gets a slap on the wrist. Even after it killed hundreds of civilians, no one on mars ever complained

>A coup is organized by Mcgillis on the grounds of illegal weapon use and ensuring wars caused by the Arinhood fleet, yet Rustal still gets a positive image and is never questioned on such things after becoming leader of new Gallahorn.

>Rustal creating a more free-er Gallahorn puts himself at risk since it would allow people to investigate his actions. So either he has a hold on the media still and silences those who would bring it up, or he allows himself to be vulnerable which is unlikely, contradicting the 'Free world Mcgillis wanted' Atra narrates about.

>Rustal and his war pal care for Julietta, even though both are seen mocking Tekkedan for being 'Rats' or 'Debris trash' despite Julietta apparently being the same.

>Rustal uses the Dainsleives on his own people, "conveniently" has multiple dainsleives organized to use against mcgillis and no one questions it, leaving him with a popular image.

>Refuses Tekkedans surrender to "make a point", leading to several of his own men being killed needlessly.then uses Dainsleives on Mars surface.

>leaves evidence of Tekkedan last stand, most likely with the Dainsleives bolts, later said that he got the media out before he used them since he'd 'get in trouble'. The evidence is still there in Ground.

Arinhood was the North Korea/Russia/ISIS love child by comparison.

Shut the fuck up Nagai Ball lickers.

>>15804940
correct

>>15807330
>ANN defends their obvious murders unrelated to war
Go away and stay off /m/.

>>15805104
>This is bait.

Nah, it's the truth.

>>15807371
Does ANN haunt you in your sleep as well?

>>15806861
>>15806862
>implying Fa doesn't suck Camille's dick erect at night and then bounce on top of him while the most he can do is watch in a stupor

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>>15806834
It has some weak moments. The middle part of season 1 drags a bit and season 2 has some asspulls. But its insanely, disturbingly satisfying when Mika goes full demon.

No one that Tekkadan killed were innocent.

Also, while I think IBO sucked overall, if there was a season 3 where the chimp cunt gets blown to pieces with shotguns at point blank a la Robocop, I'd be interested.

>>15806951
Well, he did promise to support the military, and he hasn't. Obama had pretty much always been about downsizing the military, though it's not his fault that Navy brass took, "We are narrowing our mission focus," to mean, "Don't make any actual significant operational changes that would jeopardize the career trajectories of you or the junior officer who reminds you of yourself when you were a young knucklehead white boi; just run everything as normal with a skeleton crew."

>>15807415
>No one that Tekkadan killed were innocent.
Except the tied up and drugged guys and that banker, kindly shut the hell up, Prager U fag.

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>>15806844
Titans were Cheka so that makes them good guys by default.

>>15806934
this is true

>>15807527
The accountant literally got a bunch of people killed by colluding with an enemy faction that was working to destabilize a region and plunge it into war.

>>15807527
You must be 18 to post here.

>>15807556
>titans
>cheka
>In a bourgeois state like EF
Nah.

>>15807747
Except he wants to kill everybody in EF.

>>15807761
And provides no economical alternative.

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>>15807556
>both are european jews
>both are of aristocratic descent
>both wield their chest sigil and fancy clothes
he really is dzerzhinsky, another cameo is jamaican daninghan who is a copy of hafez assad.

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>>15806947
I still feel regret for what could have been.

I wanted Red Star Gundam.

>>15804940
There's only one space ISIS, and it's Zeon.

>>15807790
It's sad to admit, but japanese entertainment industry wouldn't produce anything that would be as left as some Dougram themes.

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>>15806844
>>15806852
>>15806861
>>15806862
>>15807556

>/m/ being alt-right again.

No wonder this place is regarded as the pit where the shittiest of /a/ belongs.

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>>15807830
Totalitarian Communists are apparently alt right now.

>>15807843
>Totalitarian
>implying that totalitarianism is something but a propaganda cliche

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>>15807778
>jamaican daninghan who is a copy of hafez assad.

>>15806784
First, they didn't sink.
Second, how could he possibly be personally responsible for the actions of two separate vessels when he hasn't even been president for a year?
Third, I find it rather suspicious that these incidents occurred in the same region of the ocean near a militant rival.

>>15804940
>Gundam: Red Faction
I'll pass.

>>15804940
I finished watching this anime. Gosh, it was so unbelievable. I'm still breathing a sigh of relief over what happened.
>>15806834
Definitely go watch it. Season 1 is excellent. Season 2, although, had a lot of slow episodes where nothing really occurs. This was my first mecha anime I completed watching too.

My recommendation is certainly a yes.

>>15806834
Depends.
It's mediocre for the most part but the viseral combat is probably the best thing about it. Like the main character shoves his mech fist through a cockpit and mashes up the pilot.

>>15807716
>/y/ning this hard
>>15807731
I am, deal with it.

>>15809105
Please kill yourself.

>>15804940
Holy fuck yes. Do you guys remember when Tekkadan decided to gas everyone on a colony just because some yolk whispered the wages are not high enough?
Or that one time when they decided to drop a colony on a densely populated area? or attempt to drop a fuck huge asteroid to force everyone to leave Earth?
I definitely remember when Mika green lighted the bug programs in an attempt to kill everyone on Earth but leaves its infrastructure intact or is it Orga who planned to use a 10000 psychics and concentrate all of its power on Earth to mind fuck everyone.

Oh boi they;re sure a fucking evil rite guys.

>>15808669
>This was my first mecha anime I completed watching too.
This explains your lack of taste.

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Space Rats a cute.

>>15809117
If it causes you grief? No. Now open up so I can use your mouth as a toilet, don't worry I ate plenty of corn.

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We got info on the self proclaimed mass murderer. Why are his eyes so big?

>>15806834

memes aside, there's not really any gundam series bad enough to avoid wholesale.

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>>15809883
I feel like the audience (along with the idiot director) did turn on Tekkadan because even though their actions weren't that monstrous, they were completely unreflected. They didn't seem to give a shit about anything but themselves and their immediate family. Which isn't that surprising given that they're mercenaries as well as closely tied to the space yakuza.
However the audience expected some kind of moral dilemma or growth to set in at some point, yet it never came. While certain members of Tekkadan had character growth, it never seemed like them getting more influence and power was a good thing for anybody except themselves.
They only really did good when they were working for Kudelia and only because it was part of the job description. Add to that the fact that it so seldom seemed like they were in any real danger until the very end and you've got a group of people the audience has no solitary reason to be invested in.

The show really should have been about Gaelio & Co.

>>15810327
>The show really should have been about Gaelio & Co.
Way to completely invalidate your own post

>>15810327
>I feel like the audience (along with the idiot director) did turn on Tekkadan because even though their actions weren't that monstrous,
No they didn't. Hell as poorly written they were they were mostly popular among the audience

>>15804940
I'd honestly dislike Tekkadan for being terrorists more if Gjallahorn weren't mega-terrorists that laugh at child slave rape on national television.

>>15810327
>I feel like the audience (along with the idiot director) did turn on Tekkadan
Going only by character ranks it would appear the audience has turned on Gali.

>The show really should have been about Gaelio & Co.
No because he was a cunt and his motivations were laughable.

>>15810395
The writing, the directing, none of it managed to even slightly convey what the audience was apparently supposed to think of them.

People interpreted things as they saw them, and this pissed the director off even more than he already was.

>>15810327
This is a funny post because Gaelio is literally all of those things and more.
>They didn't seem to give a shit about anything but themselves and their immediate family.
>Gaelio doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself and his immediate family, until he forgets about his immediate family to focus on revenge, going as far as utilizing bodies of his deceased underlings to achieve his goal

>Which isn't that surprising given that they're mercenaries as well as closely tied to the space yakuza.
>which isn't that surprising given he's an isolated noble entirely enveloped in his personal agenda which he puts even over matters of national security

>However the audience expected some kind of moral dilemma or growth to set in at some point, yet it never came.
>Gaelio never came through any kind of character growth and remained a character who spoke only from the position of pride, beside the target of revenge (S1 - Tekkadan, S2 - McGillis) not much has changed and no moral dilemma or self reflection regarding revenge has ever set in

>it never seemed like them getting more influence and power was a good thing for anybody except themselves.
>Gaelio is so wrapped up in his revenge ploy he doesn't care that his actions mostly benefit a corrupt evil overlord allowing him to remain in power

>Add to that the fact that it so seldom seemed like they were in any real danger until the very end and you've got a group of people the audience has no solitary reason to be invested in.
>Gaelio never once is in any true danger, even after McGillis' betrayal he falls back into Gjallarhorn's safety net, everything is always provided for him by his custodian and he has exclusive access to latest technology securing him an edge over other pilots

>>15810277
>You will never be as big and THICC as Dane
>You will never crush a man's skull with your bare hands
>You will never vow to only ever use those hands to build from then on, and not destroy
>You will never bench a quarter ton because seriously fuck his max has to be up there for real
Not being Dane is suffering.

>>15810519
He didn't do a good job making them morally ambiguous maybe if he didn't MAKE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THEY WENT UP AGAINST COMPLETE AND UTTER SHITBAGS it would have been more even because as of now Tekkadan just come off as fools who bit off more than can chew for a better life that they winded up losing while making sure that most of the people who stayed alive don't wind up making the same mistakes instead of the cold hearted criminals who got what they deserved Nagai wanted.

>>15806844
>Henken :"I wish I was Haro right now"

>>15810519
Didn't one of the producers say his own self insert was Zak and he personally thought Tekkadan were retards for not looking for nice safe jobs and quitting Tekkadan? Lol even though they make it painfully obvious that this is the only line of work they'll ever be qualified to do. Kind of funny how a lot of hire ups kept shitting on Tekk even tho that was the group most people were rooting for. Never seen a group be so oblivious. Their antics even come up as negatives and nagai and co got shitted on in the amazon reviews for not being able to read their audience. No wonder why Nagai had to apologize to IBO fans. He got destroyed in the reviews for his post series comments.

>>15810721
>Lol even though they make it painfully obvious that this is the only line of work they'll ever be qualified to do

>literally live on a planet that is all about mining minerals

>can kill people but can't do physical labor

lol

>>15810739
Don't do this to yourself.

>>15810739
>get mining land from Teiwaz
>land has MA in it
>get kicked out from Teiwaz shortly after and lose everything in the following battle
>the same guide book also says Zack tried to use his father's connections to get them jobs but he couldn't find anything
So how do you propose they open a mine in their current situation where they can'y even use their real names. Did you forget how fast everything went after they fought that Mobile Armour?

>>15810721
What do you expect Japan to do, actually unironically endorse Yakuza as a legit career path?

The basic conceit of gang stories is that it's a lifestyle that ends with you in concrete shoes at the floor of the Hudson.

>>15810883
Then why does Rustal get away with making deals with mafia? In order to buy himself out from a responsibility for a war crime no less. Is japan so accustomed to silencing war crimes with money poured to the underground they just don't bat an eyelash at such acts?

>>15810898
Yes

>>15810929
In that case fuck Japan and to hell with that kind of narrative.

>>15810972
Its pretty much the same in everywhere though.

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>>15810483
>Going only by character ranks it would appear the audience has turned on Gali.
You mean how he's the same rank in popularity as the actual MC despite being the de facto antagonist?
Yeah, they sure turned on that guy.

>>15811350
>how he's the same rank in popularity as the actual MC
lol Yamagi is more popular than both of them

>>15811359
>Yamagay
That's all you need to know.

>>15811350
>You mean how he's the same rank in popularity as the actual MC despite being the de facto antagonist?
Where was he all the previous months then? Why wasn't he ranked in the best character rankings when IBO won anime of the year?

>>15811350
Fucking Ein was in the same position last month.

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>>15811359
Is this a surprise? Yamagi didn't have enough screentime to get utterly ruined.
Plus he's an openly homosexual character that isn't treated like a joke. That's pretty novel. So I can see why people picked him out.

But to be honest Takaki is the best character, since he nope'dout before Orga reinvented suicide as a group activity.

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>>15811374
>Takaki is the best character,

>>15811390
He's the only one with any common sense. That puts him well above the rest.

>>15810444
>laughing at child slave rape on national television
When the fuck did that happen

>>15811397
>common sense
>got others killed
Okay

>>15811350
I meant him being dead last around the time IBO was ending and the grand prix voting results came out. The dust has settled now but he was ranked lower than most Tekk crew for months.

>>15811369
He's still in the ranking in the pink no-pic area, one position below Norba Shino.

>>15811397
Why do you people always fail to understand? Who were the only people who wanted to leave Tekkadan and what they have in common: Biscuit, Takaki and Zack. They all had families and a place to fall back to. Something the rest didn't have. It has less to do with "common sense" and more with emotional attachement to their biological families and fear of leaving them on their own. As well as the fact that all of them could allow themselves to back off. In Takaki's case, Tekkadan still provided for him so he really should feel grateful instead having some kind of sense of superiority. It was Tekkadan that got him well off.

>>15811402
How about their reaction to McGillis being Iznario's fuckboy.

>>15811476
I don't remember that scene

>>15811328
But not everyone insists on repeating the same narrative over and over again like those hard headed japs. IBO is particularly badly constructed for a mob story given what kind of context and tone in the ending we got.

>>15804940
>blowing up unarmed civilians
>religious persecution
>ethnic cleansing
>religious indoctrination
Nope. Not seeing it.

>>15811490
The flashback when Meatier Man noticed the hickeys on lil' Macky's neck and shoulders. Also their taunting him about not being Iznario's legitimate heir and telling him that Iznario had revealed "the nature of your relationship" or some such.

>>15806722
It's a really lame attempt to make a character look "unique". I mean you look at the rest of them and they all have the same jackets and they're fine, but since hes the main character they wanted him to look so unique that they just ended up making him look stupid.

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>>15806722
It's oversized. His is the same size as the fatty to the right of him. If they had more people in ill-fitting clothes they could have been making a statement, but as it is it's just there without real reason.

>>15811682
>If they had more people in ill-fitting clothes
They do. Ride's jacket is very ill-fitting. Takaki and Yamagi's to a lesser extent but their clothes are definitely baggy on them.

>>15811402
Rustal revealed that Big Mack was Iznario's sex slave in front of the world and they all laughed at him.

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>>15812072
Another rational character in the series that sadly zipped his mouth shut cause every time he speaks they told him to shut.

Fucking old man Nadi is chill as fuck. He also drove Tekkadan to their mass suicide, perhaps to kill Chad and bang the Teiwaz lady.

>>15810327
But the only thing Tekkadan did wrong was over-reach. Why would they have to reflect on their actions when its everyone else being giant cunts to them? Did we all forget that Gali-Gali, Ein and Crank were sent to kill them all in episode 1? That Gjallarhorn was all about slaughtering them to keep Kudelia away from Earth? What about Iok and his use of forbidden railguns? How about all the shit Rustal and Nobliss pulled?

Tekkadan showed they were more than capable of burying the hatchet with how they acted with Naze after he decided to be reasonable, but none of the other enemies were willing to do that.

Every death on Tekkadan's hands is the result of the aggression of others.

>>15812128

Because if you go up against the big boys, they will fucking crush you. And your average joe will THANK them for beating you into the fucking dirt.

I mean, just look at the trajectory of the story. They were lucky, because a lot of Gjallhorn was actively retarded. But when they actually got a genuinely competent leader involved, Tekkadan folded like a house of cards. Like, Rustal didn't need to be a superhuman savant or have a Gundam of his own: All he needed to have was workmanlike competence, because he held EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE.

It was pretty satisfying to watch them get slapped down like the punks they were at the end. I've never seen a cast that was more unlikeable. (Don't get me wrong, I liked the show, but I was hoping constantly for Tekkadan to come to a painful end.)

>>15812275
Funny considering that besides Mcgillis, Crank, Itsurugi and the revolutionaries, every member of Gjallarhorn was unlikeable, I guess you're one of those people who approves of mass slaughtering civilians.

>>15812275
Rustal didnt win because he was more competent than Tekkadan and McGillis, he won because he broke the rules of his own organization and did something extremely illegal. Hell he did it multiple times.

>>15812275
Also you're missing that the only people who hated Tekkaden were those people actively working against them, at least until Rustal once again abused his power and lied his ass off.

>>15812286

Yes, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. He didn't just beat them, he beat them like a rented drum! By the time McGillis was reduced to attacking his flagship head-on, Rustal basically went "No, no - Don't send out the Mobile Suits. I want to *watch* this fight."

If you cheat and you win, it ain't cheating. Victor writes the story and all that.

>>15812297
>>15812275
Always amusing to see retards defend this shit writing

>>15812297
Except that isn't how it works, Rustal won by breaking virtually every rule and custom of war in the book, frankly he only survived because the writers were on his side, the one time he was actually in danger he revealed how much of a coward he was.

>>15812297
But Rustal didnt just 'cheat', everyone in the series cheated. No Rustal and his cronies went so over the fucking line its insane. Not only did he authorize the use of highly illegal WMDs, he condoned their usage against surrendering civilians when he didnt punish Iok and THEN he engineered a situation where an enemy combatant couldnt surrender to him so he could massacre them all. McGillis didnt even go that far.

Rustal was a fucking monster. The very embodiment of why Gjallarhorn needed to be wiped out.

>>15810826

If they had been patient with the mine they would have accumulated all the wealth they wanted just over a far longer period of time.

yeah there was an MA there but as we were shown mika can solo it anyway

>>15812310
Orga got greedy and they all paid for it. Naze said it himself, he was looking for the quickest way to success so he could stop being the leader everyone depended on.

>>15812286
>Rustal didnt win because he was more competent than Tekkadan and McGillis, he won because he broke the rules of his own organization and did something extremely illegal. Hell he did it multiple times.


welcome to reality cupcake.
you think the governments of the real world are above doing all kinds of dirty, sketchy shit if it means they get what they want and aren't caught?

Rustal completely outplayed Mcgillis and his brilliant plot of "MUH BAEL"

>>15812320
>welcome to reality cupcake.
wait are you saying anime janai

>>15812320
You're not making a convincing argument for why Rustal was morally and ethically superior to Tekkadan, which is what the entire conversation has been about.
>Our corrupt governments engage in unethical actions to protect their own power all the time and Rustal was so cool when he did the same shit!
Fuck you anon, you're an asshole.

>>15812320
Except that most governmetns don't outright use banned weapons, false flag tactics, or ignore an opposing forces offer of surrender, if they did no one would ever trust them again,

>>15812326

I think that the point is it doesn't really matter. Both sides are good AND bad. There's no one you can point to and go "They're the good guys". In fact, the closest thing to a hero is Gaelio, who has the whole 'righteous Prince back from the dead to dispose of the filthy usurper' thing going for him, but even then it's iffy.

I personally like Rustal for having the sheer balls to win, where most Gundam villains resort to "Okay, now I'll 1v1 the hero in my own Mobile Suit" or "TIME FOR MORE USELESS SUPERWEAPONS". The man did admirably with what he had.

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>>15812334
Both sides were morally murky, but you can definitely rank them. Tekkadan never attacked first, the vast majority of their actions were either in self defense or revenge. Meanwhile Gjallarhorn is a moustache twirl away from tying Kudelia to the train tracks.

>>15812345
At last count Tekkaden commited three, maybe four actions that constitute War Crimes.
Gjallarhorn on the other hand couldn't seem to go a single appearance without committing at least one war crime or breaking the law in some way.

>>15812355
Practically Dudley Do Right in comparison.

>>15812334
>Both sides are good AND bad
Uh...no? GH is blatantly bad and responsible for why the world became shit
>In fact, the closest thing to a hero is Gaelio
You're joking right, he just wanted petty revenge and then when that was done he perceeded to do nothing knowing full well how shitty GH is. He should have just stayed dead.

>The man did admirably with what he had.
You mean by blatantly exploiting the system and the media and using illegal WMD at disposal?

>>15812320
>>15812334
>I personally like Rustal for having the sheer balls to win
Its still fucking hilarious that after Nagai/Okada outright stated that Rustal's ass would have been incarcerated if word of his actions got out that people are still praising him. I can't even feel pity anymore since you guys are just contrarians

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>>15812432
My guess is that the entire reason Rustal is more well liked around here than McGillis or Orga is because he's not delusional.
He doesn't make any excuses for his shit in front of the people that know about it. In fat he's rather honest.
Meanwhile both McGillis and Orga have huge delusions about themselves, their goals and how to reach them. You naturally gravitate more towards a character that has a more sober and reflective view. Plus he's pretty charismatic.

>>15812333
Have you even taken a rudimentary look at US history?

>>15812611
But Orga never made excuses either? everything he did was for the others. Hell he was actually a fucking good boss if the way he treated Takaki and the new recruits is anything to go by.

>>15812709
The problem with Orga was that he wasn't at all flexible. His only solution was to bullrush things and assume that if the odds are against them Mika's skill and their recklessness would prevail.
Watch how he immediately falls apart when Shino is killed and their plan fails. Eugene has to take over.
Orga turned into a mayor liability as a leader, because he was always gambling and never played it safe. There were never any contingencies in case something doesn't go exactly as he envisioned.
Add to that, that he was enthralled by McGillis' unrealistic promises, which a more level-headed leader wouldn't have entertained.
Though the problem was also that his ideas never went challenged once Biscuit died, Meribit gave up talking to him and everyone else was just blindly loyal and had unlimited faith in him.

He developed a warped view of reality, which was a deciding factor leading to Tekkadan's downfall.

>>15812762
Did you fucking miss season 1? Orga was always making plans. He was the one who came up with the idea to rig the assholes in episode 1 to distract Gjallarhorn. He was the one who decided to drug first company and seize power. How about his little just as planned moment when Todo betrayed them? And then his plan to take out the Mobile Armor with the mines (which failed, yes, but it wasnt his fault). Did he rely on Mika/Space Guts a lot? yes, but if you had two extremely skilled pilots in OP gundam frames you'd use them as your ace in the hole/linebreakers all the time too. What did you expect him to pull some Lelouch level shit?

>>15812767
Orga ad Macky got nerfed in Season 2 just for the convenience of the plot.

>>15812767

He made plans, but no plans in case those plans failed. It got worse as time went on, when Mika bullrushing everything and hoping he kills everybody was a central component of all of his schemes.

>>15812767
I also forgot his little nano chaff grenade/use a ship as a shield tactic. That one served Tekkadan all the way until the final battle on Earth.

>>15812774
We've only seen him fuck up like that once and that was in the MA fight, which was hardly just on his shoulders. Everything was against Tekkadan during that. The fact an uneducated, borderline illiterate street rat came up with a plan like that so quickly is testament to his skill considering Gjallarhorn, the trained military group designed to stop shit like this, decided to just throw mobile suits at the problem until it went away.

During the battle of earth he had no other plan to kill Rustal because there was no other way except to rely on Shino. The fact that the ship blew up with nano chaff shows he did have an escape plan. Shino is the one who charged forward in a rage and got cut to bits.

>>15812767
You are acting like his idea of recklessly going in full force wasn't brought up by his own mentor.
At the start of S2 Tekkadan is in a very favorable position. They're an expanding company. With ties to Gjallarhorn and a major stake in the Mars development.
And yet Orga is still making decisions like they've got nothing to lose. While it's true that they also gained a lot of enemies, this situation called for a more measured and subtle approach.

Nothing you said is wrong, but it also doesn't invalidate my points.

>>15812310
>Orga got greedy
The Mobile Armour started a chain of events that got Tekkadan thrown out from Teiwaz. Only then did Orga get "greedy", as in, tried to attach his organization to whomever is in power in order to survive and receive protection. Even the "Orga getting greedy" motive is strongly undermined by things like external turbulence entirely out of Orga's control. Like Iok being retarded and plotting misdirceted revenge on them, Teiwaz internal power struggle, Gjallarhorn power struggle. Orga wouldn't have made that decision if Tekkadan wasn't left n their own. And being on their own they would never get the funds to get the mine running. They would need ton of equipment, trained personnel and a lot more things, while Tekkadan has only about 200 of staff and isn't able to hire more. (as confirmed by Ogawa)

>>15812313
I think Orga is kind of a japanese salaryman. He worked himself to the bone, everyone depended on him and yet he couldn't share his responsibilities with anybody because he had to save face.
There are some clear signs in season 2, that he's burning out.
Maybe he should have resigned. Because he seemed to hate his job and wanted nothing more than to retire.

>>15812691
>>15812335
>>15812339
How about you actually name specific instances of the US using the things I I mentioned instead of trying to be a smartass? Actual proof tends to convince people more than acting smug.

>>15812855
US coalition forces in Iraq and Syria were seen using airburst white phosphorous in urban population centers earlier this year.

And as for false flags look up the CIA, specifically TP-Ajax during the Iran coup and the proposed Operation Northwoods.

>>15812806
Thing is his recklessness is more mentioned then shown, people say Tekkaden was expanding to fast because of their ambition but they were still extremely small with less than 200 personnel, For comparison, Dawn Horizon Corps had about 8 times as many ships and MS as they did.

>>15812865
White phosphorus isn't banned you stupid piece of shit.

>>15812865
That was a white Phosphorous smokscreen which isn't banned despite being a dumb idea, that said i will give you both Tp-Ajax and Operation Northwoods, despite the latter never actually happening.

>>15812871
Its regulated depending on how its used. Note that I specified air burst, and videos from Raqqa showed it being used in that manner. Its dangerous to detonate anything with white phosphorus at that altitude in an area with civilians because it can spread really fucking far.

>>15812881
"No it's not forbidden by the CWC if it is used within the context of a military application which does not require or does not intend to use the toxic properties of white phosphorus. White phosphorus is normally used to produce smoke, to camouflage movement.

If that is the purpose for which the white phosphorus is used, then that is considered under the convention legitimate use.

If on the other hand the toxic properties of white phosphorus are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, that of course is prohibited, because the way the convention is structured or the way it is in fact applied, any chemicals used against humans or animals that cause harm or death through the toxic properties of the chemical are considered chemical weapons."
So yeah, dumb maybe but still not illegal.

>>15812886
Well alright then its not illegal. I know when to admit I'm wrong.

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All this ass mad because Garma got his revenge.

Now i wish they'd have done it sooner in the franchise.

>>15812910
Even Gali regretted it in the end though.

>>15812867
They needed to pick their battles better. If Orga had concentrated on growing the company organically, they probably wouldn't have gotten into the deep shit they did. But he wanted to get something that'd take 10 years in 1 year.

Once he knew there was an internal power struggle at Gjallarhorn, he should have weighed his options instead of writing Macky a blank check that he'd follow him to hell.
Fuck, imagine if Rustal and him had actually met before all the shit happened. They could have come to some kind of agreement.

How are the S2 BDs?

>>15807830
/m/ is like /a/ but good,fuck off.

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>>15806828
>Intelligent response based on facts and general knowledge over the subject matter at hand likely from a /k/ poster.


>>15806934
>Retard responds with non answer, simply saying hes right with no factual substance backing up his response what so ever.


TFW 90% of the population are retards, equally distributed between all demographics.

>>15812106
How does a 50 year old make a 20 year old their lover? I want to be Nadi when I'm old.

>>15812867
Also the "Orga can't play mafia politics and it's his fault that Jasley conspired against them" argument also falls flat because Jasley was already planning a coup to get rid of the old man anyway, Tekkadan was just the scapegoat.

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I liked Barbie

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>>15815463
Barbie was cool, especially when he got the tail, but I liked Astaroth's design more. I dig asymmetry

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>>15809921
Then what's a better mecha anime? Maybe enlighten me on what was bad because I don't see where you're really coming from.

I liked close to almost of everything that was season 1 of gundam IBO. The pacing was better than most anime and the characters were very enjoying to watch and see them fight. The fights were very dynamic. The mecha battles met my expectations and every battle put everyone's lives and the future of Tekkadan on stake. It's a good mecha anime and better in general than most other anime. That's why I suggest it to that anon.

Season 2, on the other hand, did a 180 and wasn't that enjoyable. One thing I noticed was Tekkadan just kept on losing and losing. They made no gains at all and were better off at the start of season 2 than at the end. What's worse was that Rustal person. He was the embodiment of everything wrong with Gjallarhorn and they won! Some of you guys call this "realistic" but I think it's poor writing. Nothing can justify what happened. The protagonists were not their usual selves and the story was very skewed against them. I don't want to spoil it, although it's already spoiled if you read the posts here.

If you know a anime that has the pros of season 1 of gundam IBO but without the flaws of season 2 you can say it.

>>15815951
>the protagonists were not their usual selves
False. The characterization of Tekkadan was quite consistent. And they didnt constantly fail, it was only after Rustal got his OP guns did they start to get the shit kicked out of them. Before that it was quite even handed.

>>15806834
I dug the shit out of it. The combat is extremely brutal for mechs (crush the cockpit), its somewhat realistic (No beam weapons but rail guns, long term space travel, etc) and it's a much more life like take on "child solder takes one pan-planetary military complex." Also no main charecter immortality here.

>>15815951
Dude, the fact thst it's a tragic story speaks to the quality of the writing. It's not exactly easy to pull off a likeable bloodletting. You cant tell me if say a Blackwater pulled something like this against say the EU it would end better. Personally I respect that they didn't go with the tired all the main characters survive, and the bad guy to loses, and everything goes happily ever after bit.

>>15815951

It was 100% consistent. They even got plenty of lucky breaks: Rustal got *one*, when Julia deflected Shino's shot.

This was simply what happened when they picked the wrong side and made poor tactical choices. Rustal isn't even their personal nemesis, and he's not an 'action guy' - the big final fight is Gaelio versus McGillis, and guess what, they're not involved at all.

>>15806834
The only Gundam that I couldn't bother finishing. It's not even an entertaining train wreck either, it's just boring.

>>15815951
>>15815958
The forbidden Big Guns were a realistic but boring way to overcome Tekkadan. I wish they'd stuck to melee, and just dogpiled Mika with 5, 6, 7 of their best mecha until they started winning. Basically turning it into a meat grinder + suppression of supports on both sides.

But they probably didn't have the animation budget for that anyway.

>>15816022
I thought the orbital railgun bombardment at the end was pretty cool honestly. But if it had actually killed Mika and Akihiro I would have been mad.

>>15812910
>Gjallahorn escaped years worth of crimes including breaking war treaties and allowing Alana Vjyana to be used freely on Mars and killing a shit ton of innocent people like Turbines women and caused two entire wars, one of which Rustal started for fun to make Big Mack look bad by escalating the war so he would have trouble stopping it

Yeah, Gaelio probably feels great. It's fine though, Almiria's Counterattack and Rideaway Flash will deal with Gjallahorn.

>Mika could wreck all sorts of opponents and the only person he couldn't defeat was McGillis
>Oh no, Mika can't kill Julietta and McGillis has a suit with no guns

S2 was fucking retarded.

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>>15816157
How long until Ride tries to assassinate him? No fucking way he and his crew stop with Nobliss.

>>15816022

But Mika tore through every single thing Gjallarhorn fielded against him as though it were made of paper.

A boring and pragmatic solution was needed because they'd written him as this nigh-invincible god of war facing off against an organisation that hadn't seen conflict in hundreds of years.

>>15816126
>the only person he couldn't defeat was McGillis
>Said nobody ever.

>>15816219

He means S1, and he's technically right because the two only fought once and it was inconclusive.

>>15816164
Almiria goe sfull crazy
Almiria Counter Atttack WHEN?

>>15816245

That's assuming she's sane enough to even clean up after herself, let alone pilot a mobile suit.

>>15815958
I just find it hilarious how Nagai and Okada failed at basically every of their basic intentions for this show. Tekkadan was severely underwritten and from the interviews it's obvious they simply didn't care yet most of the audience supported them. Tekkadan was also supposed to absorb hate yet most people sympathized with them because literally everyone around them is so much worse. They wanted to show Tekkadan's path toward sellf destruction but the circumstances of those events never put Tekkadan at fault. It fails as a mob story because it's not the protags fault or a tragic war story because it's almost palpable how little they cared about Tekkadan's side of the story. Despite their pushing of Gjallarhorn in every single interview the critical response of the audiences doesn't budge.

>>15816013
That's bullshit and let me tell you why. None of that tragedy felt genuine, it was literally as if the creators lined the characters against a wall and bluntly gunned them off one by one. None of it felt very evocative, it's pretty obvious they didn't give a shit. For tragedy to resonate the creator needs to have a bit of sympathy for the characters which none of them had and it was almost palpable. Just take Guts, he gets shat on in literally every arc yet gets almost no catharsis or self reflection, all of his tragedies are mere plot devices to get the story from one point to another and are essentially meaningless for his character. Then he gets unceremoniously killed off and there's hardly any afterthought. This pattern repeats itself over and over on the Tekkadan side. Characters get shat on and then promptly tossed aside. It's a mean-spirited mess with nothing of value to say.

>>15815958
> And they didnt constantly fail
It's literally constant downhill where every single event plays out against them because the whole world is plotting against them while their supporters are being sloppily written off from the plot.

>its another "i shit on IBO writting when every other gundam series have the same amount of shit writting if not more" thread

>>15816164
You meant how long can Ride goes on until he's being put down by his old crews to prevent GH being alerted about them?

>>15816257
>barely out of diapers
>breakdown
>back in them
truly best loli stays best

>>15807815
>left
>Dougram
>Implying Dougram was leftist
Kek. IT actually predicted globalism of all things.

>>15807790
We could have got Orphans singing The song of Volga in chorus

>>15816460
Rider going on a revenge rampage, unable to let go of Orga's sacrifice, and his former comrades having to put him down to protect their new lives. Wouldnt that just be a depressing as fuck OVA?

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>>15816762
It would have been interesting if the communist themes just slowly crept in without the audience noticing before it's too late.
I always wanted a show that tricks people into rooting for something most of them don't agree with on an ideological level.
And then Kudelia installs her own version of the Cheka and has Orga murdered with an ice pick.

>>15812072
What was the point of him?

>>15817557
To fail at being a voice of reason due to his social standing being vastly more advantaged than the average Tekk member.

>>15817601
I'm sure you meant:
>To fail at being a voice of reason due to his social standing being a secondary hardly acquainted with the S1 cast

>>15817608
Zack was one of the few if not only members of Tekkaden with an actual home and education, because of this he failed to realize that pretty much every other member of Tekkaden had literally nowhere else to go.

>>15817608
I know what I meant. He was never supposed to change anybody's mind, he was only supposed to be voicing what the audience was supposed to think of Tekkadan's direction. Except he could never see eye to eye with them because of his superior secure social standing , thus all of his nagging rings hollow.

>>15816460
Post-series info already confirmed former Tekkadan members are being hunted and Rustal will eventually have Kudelia removed from office, so it's not like Ride can make matters any worse.

>>15817786
That's just Nagai's post series indignant rambling. Not canon.

>>15817628
Ironically all the ones who managed to survive did fine.

>>15816342
>you can't shit on IBO because it has the same quality of writing as every other Gundam anime

>>15818089
Last five episodes were rewritten at the last moment, that's why. IBO's a mess because it kept changing direction and it ended up with an impromptu "happy end" tacked onto the real bad end.

>>15817786
It said the Tekkadan were hunted past the ending of the series, not that they were still being actively hunted. Though it did mention that the scratches left on the gravestone were left by hunters after Tekkadan (and yet Kudelia and co live right next to it in the epilogue?).

And IIRC he said Kudelia is the kind who won't last long in office, and that she got into power thanks to the space mafia, implying that she's involved in a shady world, not necessarily that Rustal will get rid of her.

>>15818142
>Though it did mention that the scratches left on the gravestone were left by hunters after Tekkadan
That was apparently changed to Ride who wanted to protect the monument from being destroyed by angry mob (since Rustal manipulated public opinion), even though the mark is clearly visible. Thought I can't remember if it's the Documents vol. 2 book info or if it was said on the recent IBO radio with Nagai. It's a mess, every new in-universe info like that should be taken with a grain of salt. A lot of it is being made up on the go and often contradicts the show.

>>15817786
>Post-series info
You mean more Nagai asspulling for the sake of his misery boner?
The guy is so obsessed with being gritty he goes above and beyond the plausible.
Hopefully, if there are spin-offs to IBO in other media, they'll be done by more skilled people than him.

And next time I see his name on the credits of anything, I'm dropping that shit immediately.

>>15818254
i thought it was him asspulling in a desperate attempt to save face after making one of the worst received ending in anime history.

>>15818263
>one of the worst received ending in anime history.
Not even close. Though it would've been if we got Nagai's vision. Okada really saved his ass there yet the idiot still couldn't read the air and kept digging himself deeper and deeper with those post series comments.

I don't know who's deciding what's canon and not anymore but it's probably not Nagai. His "Gaelio and Monkey are not a couple" got swept in the new book which very much endorses them as a couple.

>>15818263
He just likes piling on bad stuff in the hopes that people think the whole thing was "mature" and "adult". Either that or he's purposefully pissing off the few people that could get something out of the ending.
>Kudelia won't stay a politician for long and help people
>Gaelio will never walk again
>Julietta and him won't get together
>Almira is in an insane asylum
>Tekkadan is still hunted
>Mika's corpse is preserved by Gjallarhorn and brought out for a yearly celebration, where it's raped in public
>also he had AIDS and gave it to Atra
>so their child has it too
>and they're all going to die
>and Kudelia will be so depressed, she'll order Eugene to shoot her
>who will turn into a hopeless alcoholic because of that
etc.

Really, just ignore whatever that guy says. This is one of the few cases where I'd rather listen to Okada's take.

>>15818277
He was just pissed mad at Okada and trying to troll her.

>>15818277
I don't think no one could decide anything at this point. This like a case of Bandai exec come to Sunrise with gundam design/sketch and saying "Here's the toys, make a 20 episode commercial out of it, if the reception is good we're gonna double the episode and the toys", and then each team make their own things with little to no communication.

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>>15818277
Given how heavily advertised and fanarted the ship was, he really should have known better.

Plus, you don't piss on Okada's OTP. She kneecapped people for less.

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>>15819327
>Given how heavily advertised and fanarted the ship was

>>15819351
There are like 9 pages on Pixiv (which is a lot by IBO standards) and the advertisement I posted heavily teases the ship.

I don't understand what you want.

>>15819299
Thing is they seemingly went out of their way to avoid making models for IBO, The Graze Ritter, Graze Schild, Hell even a space Variant Graze, not to mention the seven Stars Gundams.

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>>15819355
>Pixiv
Why people still uses this as merit for anything and why nobody actually counts the amount of fanart that's not done by the same fucking artist I have no fucking clue.

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>>15819327
>Given how heavily advertised and fanarted the ship was
Except they weren't. That pic is literally the only thing that even adverts it. The only ship in IBO that was actually popular was Shino and Yamagi it also had an effect on character polls as both Shino and Yamagi became more popular than the leads whereas nobody gave a fuck about Okada's self-insert or Gaelio.

>>15819355
Pixv is Japanese deviant art that usually just holds the same circles in it so the same artist will usually just draw the same shit and it will count under the same tag
>9 pages
Cool bullshit bro

>>15818277

What book?

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>>15818623
Reminds me of JK Rowling, who keeps messing with a finished product, while the fandom slowly turns her volume dial to mute.

>>15819377
Eh. Almost anything that featured Vidar, also featured Julietta in some capacity. >>15819327 openly teased the ship, which seems like a pretty strong endorsement. The YamagiXShino thing was mainly carried by the VAs though, wasn't it?
I'm sure they were instructed to do it, but I don't remember much else coming from Sunrise. They still preferred putting Mika and Orga on their Ads

>>15819391
>The YamagiXShino thing was mainly carried by the VAs though, wasn't it?
Yes but their last episode before Shino's death sparked huge interest in them which effected Yamagai's popularity. There's no denying that Juli and Gaelio got together its just that nobody really cares

>>15819398
Fuck all of them, I enjoyed Mika and Orga's co-dependency far more than the other relationships.

>>15804940
In the end, what is the strongest unit in this series?
The 72th Gundam after Dantalion?
Dainsleif?
Something else?

>>15804940
That's what happened when you don't have Kira Yamato.

>>15819463
Mobile Armors are probably right the fuck up there. Bael was piloted by the giga nigger who founded G-horn so it also has to be strong.

But when it comes down to it how can it be anything but Barbatos after we spent two seasons watching it tear apart anything that came near it?

>>15819459
It was a really interesting concept to have this weird, mutually destructive relationship going on.
But it's a shame it never really went anywhere. We were all kinda waiting for some interesting developments, like Orga's facade to crack under all the pressure or Mika developing into somebody that makes decisions for himself, but the show seemed to just stagnate when it came to people's interactions.
I think GaliXmonkey did gain some traction, because at least there was some kind of relationship development there.
Even the whole thing between Shino and Yamagi was handled through third party. I think Eugene actually had more interaction with them, talking about their relationship, than they had with each other.
And Atra and Mika do the same song and dance for like 40 episodes before they just have sex out of the blue, without anything major having changed between them.

Kinda makes you wonder how a show can go for 2 seasons jogging in place like that and why anybody would want thaat sort of thing.

>>15819489
I think thats what I liked about it, that in the end it wasnt mutually destructive. Sure that might have been the purpose of it but Nagai is a retard so who cares about him.

It was unhealthy in a lot of ways, and it was one of the biggest contributing factors to the death of Tekkadan, but there was a genuine bond between them and those little moments they had together were something I enjoyed watching.

Plus that scene in the end where Mika hears Orga's voice for the last time and they're sitting back to back just breaks my heart.

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>>15819327
>Given how heavily advertised and fanarted the ship was, he really should have known better.
Nah. Monkey literally disappeared from the face of the planet after the show ended. Nobody cares about Okada's self insert, meanwhile Shino has his own shelf in the gundam stores.

>>15812305
>the one time he was actually in danger he revealed how much of a coward he was.
The new book (Documents vol. 2) says Rustal could never free himself from the memory of Flauros aiming at him. It's pathetic and laughable that people like Shino dealt with that kind of shit everyday while this fag was shitting himself for till the end of his days because a single person aimed at him, even though he took so many lives himself.

>>15819517
Never underestimate the power of Fujo bucks.
Next Gundam will probably be Yuri on Ice withmecha.

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>>15819377
Shino x Yamagi, Mika x Orga and Gaelio x Ein are all equally as popular. As far as Gaelio goes no other ship could compare to GaEin. They shilled the Macky route so damn hard (three official illustrations in the same month) and couldn't make it work, while the Julietta ship actively hurt his popularity. And it's no secret that the staff shipped it and pushed it, just that yeah, nobody gave a damn so it went away.

>>15819391
Comparing official endorsement between het couple and a gay couple is retarded. Especially when it's not bait but actually intended as gay. And despite that the Shino x Yamagi still managed to get a spread, while not even the super popular (and bait which makes it easier) Gaelio x Ein could get one.

>>15819489
>But it's a shame it never really went anywhere.
That's the biggest beef the fanbase has with the staff. The Mika/Orga storyline went nowhere and received almost no conclusion because thw writers were too busy jerking off to Macky/Gaelio epic petty revenge crap. How can you be so retarded to ignore your own main fucking characters because of retarded personal bias which doesn't pay off in the end anyway.
>Even the whole thing between Shino and Yamagi was handled through third party.
Conclusion to their relationship reflecetd a lot about Shino's character which is a big point of interest in the fanbase. Also Yamagi himself despite being a satelite character has enough meta about himself to fill up a textbook. Fujos don't need a lot of interaction to make the ship work. Just the premise can be enough.

Isn't Gaelio confirmed to be the MC of IBO?

>>15819463
Dainsleif, if you're just sniping at enemies from afar. Up close, probably Rex being piloted with its limiters removed.

>>15819480

It's implied that Agnika piloted Bael at the same level Mikazuki was using Barbatos during Hashmal fight and final battle. It was just a really basic vanilla Gundam type, Agnika was just good at piloting it to its limit.

>>15820086
Didn't nagai say post series that Dainsleifs are extremely easy to dodge even if you aren't a great pilot?

>>15820131
No.

>>15820039
No.

>>15820136
You sounds like a shitposter because I remembered that Dainsleif material.

>>15820145
You remembered it wrong in every detail but I can't be assed to correct it all.

>>15820145
>I remembered that Dainsleif material.
me too

>>15820131
1. It was Ogawa.
2. It's only possible if the pilot is a top class Ace.
3. He was trying to defend himself from accusations that Dainsleifs were OP plot weapon.

>>15810320

Seed is pretty bad.

>>15820229
>2. It's only possible if the pilot is a top class Ace.

Wonder what those look like...

>>15820229
Well, the damn thing was designed to be used en masse against what are basically AI-controlled robots with super reflexes. No shit it's gonna be hard to dodge. Lol

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>"Mobile Suit Gundam Iron Blood Orphans 2nd Phase Completion" out on September 1st

>>15819561
This is no joke. Bandai is already throwing all night women-exclusive gunpla building events because they were buying IBO kits as character merchandise. https://twitter.com/GUNDAM_SQUARE/status/901046567922130948

>>15822170
Wtf did the mc reproduceor is that his brother?

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>>15822170
I love how Atra and Kudelia are basically now front and center to rub salt into the the Yamagi-fags wounds.
>You wanted Yaoi end? Too bad, here's Yuri!

>>15822816
>both still in love with the guy
>groom kis kid for /ss/
>Atra and Kudelia no longer married in the Documents book
Kill yourself yurifag.

>>15822846
>b-but muh extended material
Quit being a fag. You're no better than Nagai. We saw what we saw.

>>15822846
>>15822816
>Fuck your bullshit fetish! My bullshit fetish is much better!
What a chain of quality arguments.

>>15822854
What did you see? Two hags talk about being in love with a guy and no mention about being married is what you saw. Fag. It's Nagai who pushed for their marriage by the way.

>>15822170
>o better than Nagai. We saw
Is this a manga or what?

>>15820341
It's top five in the franchise easily, go back to Evageeks.

>>15807830
Here here! Left wing good, right wing bad!

>>15822899
Picture guidebook. There isn't much content or new information in those usually.

>>15822866
Nagai admitted he had no idea how to conclude Mika's storyline with something positive so he just tacked on the baby. Funny how they're trying to push it like some epic legacy when in reality it was a sloppy last minute throw in that shit all over the overarching found family theme. Yurifags and SJWs flocking over this shit are both retarded.

>>15823222
The baby is so cute tho.

>>15823241
Baby Mika was cuter. Maybe because it was a separate unique character design instead of a lazy de-aged Mika/Atra hybrid.

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>>15823222
And yet bi-Atra was one of the few enjoyable things coming out of all this

how the fuck did anzee survive getting her head chopped in half by a graze axe.

>>15823395
Atra was never Bi dammit. Same goes for Kudelia

>>15823395
As a retarded meme between retarded memers.

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>>15822170
I love how Akatsuki still has the "Who is this blonde woman" face like in the ending. Also its great Akatsuki has Atra's hair and Mika's face, i think all in all its a great design. It could have been worse, its Anime after all

>>15823547
/m/ continuously manages to have no fun whatsoever. When /a/ has an easier time enjoying themselves, it's time to reevaluate the point of this board.

>>15823556
It's a pretty awkward design. Looks like a shrunken Mika with all the exact facial proportions in a awkwardly oversized wig. They should've traced over the kid Mika design.

>>15822170
If Kudelia was in love with Mika too, why didn't she get a baby too?

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We can all agree he was best boy, yes?

>>15823606
Not!guts was alright I guess

>>15823606
Why?

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>>15823601
Unlike Mika and Atra who were street rats with no education. Kudelia knew what true love was so she let Atra have Mika all for herself and let them have a baby. In the end she didn't got between them like many people thought she would and chose to protect Atra and Akatsuki like Mika asked her to.

>>15822170
I like how Murderzuki is looking over at the family he started. Muh feels.

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>>15807778
Funny that you mention assad...

getting your lower body shredded by a pile driver and bleeding out is a fucking brutal death.
this show is violent

>>15808669
>Season 1 is excellent. Season 2, although, had a lot of slow episodes where nothing really occurs.
Personally thought it was the other way around

>>15816303
>it was literally as if the creators lined the characters against a wall and bluntly gunned them off one by one. None of it felt very evocative, it's pretty obvious they didn't give a shit
Ever seen a yakuza show or mob show?
Most characters will end up dying like that. IBO was heavily based on classic yakuza movie tropes, hell it even had a yakuza faction and a swearing of brotherhood in

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>>15823675
Good to see that the people whol like this garbage are under the age of 13

>>15823772
Hey buddy, don't ever reply to my post again or we won't be pals anymore

>>15823771
>Ever seen a yakuza show or mob show?
Obviously you and virtually every IBOfag who seems to think this was a mob story have never actually seen one

>>15823771
>>15823808
Considering I'm an Ibofag, any argument that this is a mob story is at best flat out fucking idiotic, Nagai saying it was was just him being a fucking idiot like always.

>>15823924
Nagai never said this was a mob story.

>>15823938
Who cares what Nagai says?

>>15806834
Memes aside, how did you even get to /m/?

>>15818290
>Mika's corpse is preserved by Gjallarhorn and brought out for a yearly celebration, where it's raped in public

when was this?

>>15822203
Women only event just sold out. I am surprised.

>>15816219
S1 Chocoman anon, not jobber S2 Beta McChoco

>>15824150
In Nagai's head, all the time.

>>15816126
It's weird. Thy could have so easily written around that, if they had given Mika character development and some previous interaction with Julietta, prompting him to have second thoughts about killing his opponent.
He could have had a fucking arc here.

>>15824775
Mika saw Julietta as a fly though.

The only moment were I was mad he didn't do anything was toward the end. It would have been cool if he rammed his tail-sword into his cockpit, killing both himself and Julietta at while smiling about his realization.

But oh well.

>>15824557
Yeah right, Mika also beat Lafter right?

>>15824557
>couldn't beat
>they literally withdrew from the fight before it got serious
Fucking Chocofags, as delusional as him.

>>15824983
Chocoman was confirmed to be the second best (after Mika) pilot in IBO's current timeline in various official sources like BD commentary, two guidebooks and an interview.

>>15825056
So you admit he would have lost if the fight got serious?
Because the only thing that gave Mika at full power any trouble was the fucking Dainslaff team.

>>15824444
>>15822203
Does this mean there's a chance for 1/100 Flauros?

>>15810320
Disagreed. AGE was a genuine waste of time and I want to do my best to help people avoid it.

Mikazuki might have been the strongest pilot in ibo but not in the pd timeline. Given how ogawa said mikazuki could have dodged the dainsleif if he was a top pilot. So yeah mikazuki wasnt that strong according to ogawa.

>>15825081
No I'm saying Chocolate man wasn't supposed to be a jobber. As was Mika by the way but they both ended up jobbig 80% of the second season.

>>15825164
Ogawa's bullshit means as much as Nagai's.

>>15825168
Chocoman didn't job though. He solo'd a lot of Rustal's fleet. Gaelio just had time to train and had his rather unique system on his side.
Yet it was still a pretty close call in their final confrontation.

Plus lets not forget that Macky had seriously deteriorating mental health at that point. That's gotta have had an impact on his performance.

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>Shino/Yamagi relationship ends in tragedy instead of the natural conclusion most fujos want

I feel like this is easiest method ever to be catering without ever truly delivering on anything. Fujoshi be dumb as shit.

Such a damned shame because the Flauros is a great little design.

Everything coming out from Nagai and Ogawa's mouths is pure bullshit and should be disregarded. Their show is simply sloppy and lacks continuity. Them trying to retcon the plot holes away is just digging the hole deeper. Especially because they literally adlib those things on the go during the interviews. It's Toriyama levels of shittery. The same goes for all the crap they put in those books. Nothing but bullshit and retcon that often doesn't even make sense.

The Dainsleif defence has got to be the fucking lamest bullshit of it all though.
>uhh, w-we didn't write in a bullshit OP plot device weapon, the pilots in our show were just shitty! y-yeah that shout do it
Nice job shooting yourself in the foot you dumb hack.

>>15825208
Shino literally caused the autists on /m/ more asspain than he did Yamagi, by painting the Flauros hot pink.

>>15806834
Whoever recommended it to you is a sheeperson, even as an anime, regardless of genre, it is lackluster in most categories.

>>15825218
Disagree

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>>15825203

I completely forgot Gaelio never actually used the connection to Ein before his confrontation with McGillis.

He performed noticeably better, but one skirmish against a bunch of untrained terrorists isn't exactly much to go on in determining how much better he was other than being successful.

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>>15825213

>>15825244

I think a small detail that people never noticed is that Ein's brain literally short-circuited during the final battle with McGillis. When Choco got stabbed with Kimaris' broken-off dildo drill, they show a quick shot of Gaelio's hand doing the actual piloting, meaning Ein's brain had already given up at that point.

>>15825298
I don't think Ein was ever supposed to be the main pilot, it was a support system, wasn't it?

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>>15825244
People also forget that Gaelio was steadily improving as a pilot during season 1. Whereas he was no match for Mika during their initial fight, he actually did significantly better in the finale.
Gaelio is probably the pilot who gained the most experience over the course of IBO.
Sorry, Hush.

>>15823601
One retarded baby making plot was already too much, but two would've been utterly ridiculous.

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>>15823543
Sure, man. Sure.

>>15825321
Plenty of other pilots were gaining experience not only Gaelio. Guts, Mika, Shino all had weak beginnings but got a lor better with time.

>>15825321
He improved when he got a better mobile suit, Mikazuki had already demonstrated that he had problems fighting fast opponents during his fight with Lafter. The Kimaris just happened to be the exact type of mobile suit that Mikazuki admits to having trouble with.

>>15825321
Ein did the piloting vs mika when they fought in the Gundam chamber under Vingolf. Notice how Gaelios body is being jerked in all directions after AV-E is activated.

>>15825056
Can you post those said sources?

>>15825356
Buy the BD vol 9 and the Great Mechanics G.

>>15825363
So you can't?

>>15825368
What do you want? Links to the tweets or gundamlog entries where people report these things? Do your own research fag.

>>15811682
The shorties are all wearing oversized jackets. That is the point. Big fat stupid fatty's jacket barely fits the fat fuck

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>>15812855
MKUltra

>>15815951
>it's a good mecha anime
It's the only fucking mecha anime you've ever seen you stupid twat

>>15825203
Wasn't choco still injured from getting stabbed through the hand as well?

>>15825374
Burden of proof lies on those who make the claim.

>>15825698
I'm not trying to prove anything you stupid bitch. I'm just putting the information out there and couldn't care less if you don't believe it because McG being ranked 2nd best triggers you so hard. McGillis was the only non-augmented pilot in S1 to receive an S rank in GMG a year ago too. I'll leave you with that.

>>15825321
You just reminded me that Hush existed. What was his purpose?

>>15825763
>McG being ranked 2nd best triggers you so hard.
I'm not the one who threw hissy fit here.

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Anyone else want to smell like blood?

>>15826079

Best I can guess, Hush was supposed to be the new guy who ends up buying into Tekkadan's mentality. He wants to be a hero, a factor in real world child soldiers, but his dream gets pushed aside as he begins to follow Mikazuki and becomes the murderhobo's manservant.

Dane appears to have his own reservations with the group but goes along with them because he has nowhere else to go and would starve in the streets otherwise. There are no doubt others in similar situations within the organization

Zack is the kid from a good home he could return to, differentiating him from the rest of Tekkadan. He's not doing this to survive and this gives him more freedom to call out or question what's going on. While Nadi says there should have been more kids like Zack, Zack doesn't realize everyone else doesn't have his level of privilege.

>>15807330
Yes.

>>15823606
Yea he was dope af

>>15806844
I actually felt bad for Jerid throughout all of Zeta. Kamille ruined his life and he died unable to avenge everyone who he killed.

>>15823606
Bibro was best boy.