What is your jetfu?

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F8U-3

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F-14

>>>/k/

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BBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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SU-34 Strike Flanker

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Isn't it sad YF-23?

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The cutest little bird

>>15627117
God damn that is sexy as hell.

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I'm a sucker for forward-swept wings.

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fox binder

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Flankers are too sexy.

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English Electric Lightning

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And I'm not even the fan of nazi.

>>15627335
I think everyone can agree that the Wehrmacht produced hardware that was as advanced as it was elegant, albeit a bit convoluted.

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>>15627275
Flankers are the best

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>>15627010
Thicc

>>15627426
It looks like it's falling out of the sky at the end there.

>>15627410
>>15627275
This, Flanker > F-14

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>>15627433
See manuevers 18-22 in this image.

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>>15627010
I'm American so it's gotta be the Raptor

>>15627433
>>15627439
basically a controlled stall and recovery

>>15627446
I always found Raptors kinda ugly to be honest.

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>>15627456
delet this

>>15627460
dat ass

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F-4 is sex.

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>>15627335
I'll second that, the 262 is lovely.

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>>15627010
I've always like the MiG-25 and 31s.

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The F-15SE is sex

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>>15627117
>>15627275
im digging the new standardized paint job on Russian jets, very slick and isnt just another ghost grey block.

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>>15627622
also found on SU-30s.

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>>15627010
Do test craft count?

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>>15627627
Russia also has a lot more flat black aircraft lately, really embracing the Cobra Command aesthetic.

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F-5 is cute.CUTE!

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>>15627023
>Happy Hue Planes

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>>15627645

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>>15627657

>>15627426
>Thicc

It's anorectic compared to X-32

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>>15627038
Mah nigga, gotta respect the classic.

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ooooooooooh shit nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDU-mXi1MK0

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My dad choose my middle name so that my initials would be M.I.G.

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>>15627849
>F-14 is one of my favourite aircrafts
Good ol' Kono.

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>>15627410
Flankers with canards are sexy as hell!

>>15627460
so the butt and the butt wings can't move independently?

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>>15627335
Komet was cuter

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I love her so much ;____;

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It's technically not even a plane. But it has wings, looks vaguely like a plane, and flies on water, so I'm chucking it here.

>>15627587
i second this

>>15627879
But anon, that's a coffin...

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I'm strange

>>15627112
>>15627224
These are men of truly exquisite taste.

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Jets are for faggots, prop-planes a best.

>>15628561
But technically not a jet.

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This sexy girl

>>15628561
>pilots killer
>good plane
>not even a true jet

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My most favorite post-ww2 sub-sonic jet ever.

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Yak-15. I know, I'm weird

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>>15629588

>Not superior MiG 15
>Anon plz

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>>15629630
>MiG 15
>superior anything

>>15628177
Then why are they so crap in ace combat?

Anything with less than 70 MOB is an unflyable tub of shit TEEBEEAYCH

>>15629383
No wonder that Silent Eagle is a failure, when it doesn't look even half as good as this.

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>>15627161
>Faster than the F22
>More manoeuvrable
>Longer range

She was too good for this world.

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S.I.G.

>>15629968
>Faster
True
>Longer range
True
>Greater maneuverability
Not even close

>>15629896
>min-maxing in fucking Ace Combat of all games

Wanna know how I know you're a huge douchebag?

>>15629553
Pfffft, you act like you don't want to be dissolved by peroxides.

>>15628177
Why is he using BVR missiles in a turn and burn dogfight?

Why is he in a turn and burn dogfight with a fulcrum at all when he has almost twice the thrust?

Macross is so fucking stupid about actual aerial tactics way too often.

>>15629270
Rockets are a subset of jet engines.

>>15629553
>pilots killer
Weeds out the sissies.
>good plane
It had great maneuverability and lolspeed. The pilots who flew it loved it when it wasn't blowing them up. Its only real failings were shitty guns and limited fuel. (Well that and its habit of randomly blowing up.) Admittedly those are some really big failings but I never actually said it was a good plane. I just called it cute. Which it is.

>not even a true jet
See above

>>15630206
Lol, most German pilots called it a widow maker for a reason, man.

Sure, it could bust a couple bombers before it exploded on the ground, but even Messerschmidt admitted it was an abject failure.

>>15627224
My comrade!

>>15627655
>Even the plane is laughing at how poorly Boeing designed it

>>15630181
It's not minmaxing so much as wanting to be able to turn halfway decently

>>15630328
Turning hard is for people that don't know how to energy fight.

>>15630429
>Ace Combat
>energy fighting

>>15630436
What the fuck did you just say to me you little bitch!?

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>>15630455
Fuck, forgot image. Now I look like a total nugget.

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I always liked LBJ's fun sized air force one. It's a lockheed jetstar.

>>15629630
MiG-15 and Yak-15 - it's like comparing Sayla and Lalah. Sayla is better developed, has more screentime and all. But for some reason some people admire Lalah more. This group is small, but it exists

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>>15630203
He fires a Sidewinder first, which gets defeated by the Fulcrum's flares, so he switches over to the AIM-120.
Ultimately, BR combat would be boring to watch, and its a mecha show, not a playthrough of DCS with cute Pacific Island lolis.

>>15630623
*BVR

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>>15630203
>ever doubting Kawamori, plane autist extraordinaire
>http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/us-syria-russia-dogfight/index.html
"Immediately after the Syrian Su-22 fighter jet dropped its bombs, two American F/A-18E Super Hornets, flying from the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush, engaged, firing a AIM-9 Sidewinder -- a short-range air-to-air missile -- at the Syrian plane from about half a mile away, two US officials told CNN.
But the Syrian jet deployed defensive flares, causing the US missile to miss its target. The US pilot proceeded to fire off a second missile, an AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, which hit its intended target, downing the Syrian warplane and forcing its pilot to eject, the officials added."

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>>15631479
>>AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile,
>>from about half a mile away
>>Su-22 fighter jet
Its a front-line BOMBER, not fighter! A fucking Soviet variable-sweep wing fighter-bomber, developed in fucking 1970!
And that fucking bomber managed to evade state of the art short range missile. America, put your shit together!

>>15631547
>calling a 1950s developed short range missile "state of the art"
>considers dropping flares to be "evasion"

>>15631547
It used flares to confuse a heat seeking missile, before eating a radar guided missile.
It was probably an AIM-9L, which is the previous generation Sidewinder. The AIM-9X Block II can differentiate between the heat signature of a jet and that of a flare.

>>15630203
>BVR missiles can only be fired at BVR

Better tell the Pentagon they fucked up with the F-35 then.

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Do Hybrids count?

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>>15631609
Race mixing is unethical.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yToYxxpJRt0

>>15629968
If we can't get any more F-22s why not actually build this beauty instead?

>muh 6th gen
>muh drones

>>15631647
We can't build anymore F-22's because the tooling has been packed up, and all the engineers and technicians who know how to operate the production line are busy on pumping out 2000 F-35's.

>>15631647
Can't imagine the billions it would cost to update the avionics and systems for production and actual combat deployment, then set up factory lines and produce parts and whatnot.

>>15631650
As long as Boeing/Northflop is refusing to build stealth Eagle

>>15631692
*Boring/Northflop

>>15631699
I mean, have you seen the Silent Eagle? It so unimpressive that South Korea preferred to go with the single engine F-35, and LM is swimming in money.

>>15631650
>>15631648
The big problem with the F-35 that people don't tell you is that the cost of revamping existing airframes to carry the same capability would cost significantly more than just finishing the F-35 (which it pretty much is at this point).

LRIP-10 cost of an F-35A is approx $93m per bird now. Full rate production cost is going to be even lower still.

>>15630461
These guys really caught me off guard the first time I fought them but energy fighting still doesn't really work in AC when the standard missiles have such short range that a fast turner could just flip a bitch as soon as you get in range and there's like a bazillion targets and you just don't have the time to do a proper attack run on all of them.

>>15631692
Stealth Eagle is a meme. There's a reason it has no sales.

>>15632568
>F-35 FRP soon
>no AN/APG-81
>no EO-DAS
>RRCS is not stealth
There's literally no reason to buy the Silent Eagle. It's like deciding weather you want a Mini-14 today or an AR-15 in a week. You gain nothing and look like an idiot in a very short amount of time, and nobody is gonna have the same parts as you.

>>15632580
Only country still interested in Silent Eagle is Israel, because it's, well, Israel.

>>15632568
Stealth Eagle could work if done right, but Silent Eagle was not the case.

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>>15632638
>Only country still interested in Silent Eagle is Israel, because it's, well, Israel.
Please post proofs, especially considering the Israelis have bought heavily into the F-35.

>>15627010
Tomcat/Super Tomcat and the Raptor. Eagle/Strike Eagle is also good.

>>15632642
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-requests-extra-squadron-of-f-15s-418487/
They're still interested in having a stealthy air superiority fighter/interceptor since the US wouldn't let them have the F-22

>>15632642
Yes, but also wants some more F-15s, and 2040C is the latest thing they can get.

>>15627632
Test craft are best craft.

>>15631566
>Better tell the Pentagon they fucked up with the F-35 then.
They already get told that every day though.

>>15633324
Only by retards like Sprey, and vatniks

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I was at a classic airshow once and one of these went screaming overhead with the most thunderous roar, fell in love.

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>>15632997
The F-16XL is a fine example of a delta wing aircraft but my favorite delta wing will always be the Draken

>>15634087
>that roundel

I'm still saying that Austrians should have got the Gripen.

>>15631650
Northrop actually tried to bring it back as B-21, but got turned down.

>>15633979
https://youtu.be/gX3_mQZ4gY8

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>>15627010
J-10 looks rather nice and the Chinese acrobatic team is a lot of fun to watch.

There's a distinct lack of mecha jet girls in this thread

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>>15634087
>>15634203

>>15634087
I wonder how the designers of the Draken feels about its VF counterpart

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got a few OP...

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Ecks Bee Seventy

Gotta nuke fast

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>>15636265
*teleports into your jet wash*

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>>15636268

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>>15627161
Try posting a more recent picture next time.

>>15636340
dam I'm a believer now

>>15627117
Did they call it the Flanker because it's good at flanking?

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>>15637261
NATO assigned reporting names, something starting with F to announce it as a Fighter. Fagot, Fulcrum, Frogfoot, Fencer, Flanker, Foxhound, Foxbat

Foxbat is cute

>>15637291
That sounds logical. Source for pic?

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>>15637321
Pic is Flight High School

Check out this for a list of names for fighters and bombs and shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name

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>>15637331
>tfw Frogfoot.

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Would a Ace Combat with WW2 era planes set in a past Strangereal work?

>>15627357
>advanced
>the people who used fucking klystrons for almost all their radars
[laughing Boot and Randall]

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>>15638506
You mean Sky Crawlers?

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>>15638700
>Wii
Is it any good?

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>>15638700
>Project Aces

>>15627433
Why do you think it ended there?

>>15631547
>America, put your shit together!

It's far more profitable to push cut-rate shit at overcharged prices, hence why our inventory is full of overhyped travesties.

>>15632580
>It's like deciding weather you want an M-16 today or an AR-18 in a week

FTFY

>>15633327
>Only by the redpilled

FTFY

>>15637291
>Frogfoot

But that's an attacker!

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Hard to select a photo when there are so few out there and none of them are really satisfactory.

>>15637331
Is Gripen that popular?
I thought only Thailand and Brazil buys them while Yurofighter and F-35 are sold by the hundreds.

>>15638700
You mean Crimson Skies?

>>15638854
>>15637331
>>15637291
>What if we just stuck jets on the back of girls

This is some horrendous shit

>>15639105
dude, chill a bit , its less horrible than gratuituous panty showing lolis with WWII fighters socks...

>>15639074
Do you remember how Czechs wanted to buy 30 Gripens, and in the end they got about a dozen, for a bargain price, on lease?

Well, Austrians wanted 18 Tranche 2 Typhoons, but ended up with only 15 Tranche 1 planes, due to bribery. Getting the oldest birds, less than what they wanted, and actually paying more for it.

Which is why the countries still interested in the Typhoon afterwards were only the Saudis, Oman, and Kuwait.

On the other hand, countries showing interest in Gripen are Bulgaria, Croatia, Finland, India, Slovakia, and Switzerland.

>>15639105
Let's see you do better.

>>15639198
>wanted 18 Tranche 2 Typhoons, but ended up with only 15 Tranche 1 planes, due to bribery. Getting the oldest birds, less than what they wanted, and actually paying more for it.

Wait, how does that work?

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>>15639473
>The Appeal to accomplishment fallacy

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>>15639105
At Least the author writes about real world aviation stories that pertain to said jets into the character's personalities.

>>15639198
I must have missed the news about the Austrian deal. Still why didn't they just buy the excess Typhoon from the Bongs?
I recall about 4-5 years ago the Bongs offered my country 'buy 18 T3 get some free T1' but didn't work since budget was redirected due to pirate army attacks.

>>15639477
For a higher price, they got older planes, in lesser numbers. In other words, a fraud.

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>>15639483
Says the one who commits the proof by assertion fallacy. Pic related, mfw.

>>15639105
Newfagget get out.

>>15627357
Convoluted and pushed in to production before maturity - the 262's jet engines were loaded with problems, and not even things that just could potentially go wrong in certain situations, it had things that would always happen every time. Most notably, if you throttled them up too quickly they'd catch on fire.

>>15632066
she was too pure for this world

>>15639514
>if you throttled them up too quickly they'd catch on fire

That was universally endemic to all early jet engines.

>>15639746
yeah, and germany was the only one to say "this is fine" and deploy them in combat like that.

>>15639760
Time was a luxury they didn't have.

>>15639765
And pilots weren't either, apparently.

>>15639808
Master of the obvious.

>>15639493
Because they can't even afford to keep in the active duty the 15 planes they got.

Trenche 1 might be a Porsche 911, but when you look underneath, you see rust everywhere, the engine sound is awful, and it feels like falling apart at any time. Keep on mind these were ex-luftwaffe.

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>ctrl+f rafale 0 result
i-i m not alone guys r-right ?

>>15640974
delta wing = PLUG-UGLY

>>15640974
Dassault shill pls go, don't you have some Minister of Defence to bribe?

>>15638852
Fighter is just a catch all term for a body/weight classification, not just its intended role.

>>15639198
Finland should get some F-35s, but right now they're still looking at Super Bugs and to a lesser degree Gripens.

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No love for Jaguars?

>>15641117
F-18 is just Finland maintaining the status quo.
F-35 would be a middle finger to Russia, and a dead giveaway of Finland joining the NATO.
J-39 would be the economical choice, and a sign of Finland preferring the regional cooperation with Sweden.

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SUPA SYLPH

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>>15637291
That ADM-20 is adorable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEGzGQI8OmQ

>>15639473
The superior content somehow falls under furries

>>15641822
That's the only reason Finland needs an Air Force, Finland is not Russian clay.

>>15641003
>canards = PLUG-UGLY

FTFY

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>>15627433
It is a controlled pedal turn (yaw) without thrust vectoring, basically only the F-22 and F-35 can do it.

The other part of that routine that is particularly impressive is the high AoA pass followed by a upward acceleration out of it (12 and 13 on that routine list >>15627439).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daiLrGm59o8

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>>15644022
Wrong.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEGzGQI8OmQ
More AC7 news, its looking so good.

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Well, >>15627112
already posted my jetfu, so I'll post another favorite. I always loved how tough the F-4 looked, it's too bad it's kind of a hot mess.

>>15644618
>hot mess

?

>>15644785
Something about its weapon systems. The first models had no integrated gun, just missiles and bombs. And one of the long range missiles it carried could lock on way outside visual range, but for whatever reason the pilots weren't allowed to fire until visual confirmation, which was too close for the missiles to lock on anymore.

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>>15644785
A lot end up hot mess after taking SA-2 up the ass.

>>15644785
J79s were smoky unless you lit up the afterburners. The electrical system was a pain to fix. Poor rearward visibility. Forward view was cluttered. Controls were not ergonomic.

>>15628561
> Chubby and squat.
> Underside is easily penetrated by random things.
> Touchy, temperamental, unforgiving.
> Blows up at slightest provocation.
> If things go pear-shaped, it is your fault.
Wow, this is the most realistic waifu. Does she also have power of attorney?

>>15628347
really cool vec truyst

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>>15644618

>>15627038
Gotta agree with this anon. This girl and the Eagle were my childhood.

>>15644792
>The first models had no integrated gun, just missiles and bombs. And one of the long range missiles it carried could lock on way outside visual range, but for whatever reason the pilots weren't allowed to fire until visual confirmation, which was too close for the missiles to lock on anymore

Why was the bomber mafia not thrown out on its ass?

>>15644809
>A lot end up hot mess after taking SA-2 up the ass.

Oh you.jpg

>>15644870
>J79s were smoky unless you lit up the afterburners.

Why did it take so long to sort that out?

>The electrical system was a pain to fix.

How so?

>Poor rearward visibility.

Why the sod did they revert to the razorback format again?

>Forward view was cluttered.

Wasn't that universally applicable to ALL aircraft of that era?

>Controls were not ergonomic.

Elaborate.

>>15647131
The placement of that turret seems a bit questionable

>>15647375
Imagine the casualty rate from flying such advanced machines with such poor quality control and awful materials.

Honestly, German should not stopped centrifugal centrifugal-flow turbojet development after they had finished it with He 178. They would have had centrifugal-flow turbojet version of Ta-183(look FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II ) which was match MIG-15 in several regards in time rather than Me-262 and He-162.
>>15647383
I doubt it too.

>>15627410
+1 Especially on that Terminator, truly patrician taste

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>>15646851
>>J79s were smoky unless you lit up the afterburners.
>Why did it take so long to sort that out?
Not sure, but modern CNC machines and 3D Printers would have helped.

>>The electrical system was a pain to fix.
>How so?
I heard a wild story about wire bunches running everywhere, and the necessity of violating standing orders just to keep the darned bird flying. Newbie maintainer tutorials took on air of "hey, watch this cool thing you are never supposed to do."

>>Poor rearward visibility.
>Why the sod did they revert to the razorback format again?
Hey, at least it was not the F6D Missileer.

>>Forward view was cluttered.
>Wasn't that universally applicable to ALL aircraft of that era?
Yes, which leads to. . .

>>Controls were not ergonomic.
>Elaborate.
The F-4 came after the advent of interesting avionics, but before HOTAS. The cockpit was filled was panels and switches, and selecting missiles required letting go of the the throttle. The MiG-21 demanded the pilot let go of the flight stick, ha ha.

>>15636340
>under an xb-70
it's like a fucking paleontology hall
rip extinct birds

>>15647652
That's the R&D wing of the USAF museum. Or at least it's the old one. They moved all of those planes to a new hangar recently.

YF-23 being moved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSIFfQXmXe8

XB-70 being moved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCO4ls4x7Lo

>>15647699
What's that square thing after the 23? It doesn't have any markings.

>>15647699
up in ohio right?
Been meaning to go there
if only to see the Enola Gay and Ar-234

>>15647704
it's fucking ugly is what it is

>>15647704
Tacit Blue

>>15647705
You won't see those there. They're at the Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center in Fairfax, VA.

>>15647718
Thanks.

>>15647720
oh then i was thinking bockscar

>>15645096

420 Chico blazing

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>>15636268
>F-104
>filename

Don't tell me they're actually putting that pos in there!

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>>15649735
It's playing a large part in the plot, according to Kono.

>>15649735
Hey, you can always count on the 104 to get rid of plebs.

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>>15649735
Not many fighters have nuclear air to air missiles.

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https://youtu.be/Bi2zeDfuRNA
“If airplanes were women, you’d want to date the F-16 and marry the Hornet. The Viper’s fast, dances well and looks great at parties. But she’s a little high maintenance, and if you treat her wrong, she’ll kick you out of the car even in bad neighborhoods. The Hornet is the girl you bring to meet your mom. She’s there for you, and will bring you home when you’ve had too much fun downtown and gotten all [fouled] up."
-- Captain "Lex" Lefon, RIP

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>>15627173
My nigga

>>15649744
If it's assigned to the protag I'm washing my hands of that title.

>>15649864
And anyone else who tries to fly it. Except Spaniards.

>>15650019
No loss there; those things were never necessary in the first place.

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>>15650030
>Viper

>>15650097
It's obviously going to be the joke plane of the game, like the Hawk T.1 in AC5.

>>15650122
But the angle of the F-16's seat makes it hard to, uhm, go.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-23/local/me-542_1_air-force

>>15629236
No, you are okay. The fighter-attack guys (fags) have a problem.

The F-104 is a step in the right direction for AC. Other games have had Century series planes and other Cold War aircraft, but Bamco has always seemed to think that jets started with the F-4.

>>15650019
The F-106 Delta Dart in Airforce Delta Strike had a nuke rocket as its SP weapon. It would kill you if you got in the blast radius.

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>>15650324
I agree, more games should focus on the early to mid cold war period of aircraft.
Warthunder is sort of there.

>>15650327
warthunder limits itself to early jet era, so forget about any radar featuring plane , missiles or shit like that ...
( wichis sad , i wanted to area 88 everyone else.)

>>15627038
>Wanting high maintenance waifus

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de Haviland Sea Vixen.

I miss British aerospace designs...

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>>15650573
It is just perfection.

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>>15650595

>>15650573
>>15650595
>>15650610
>Plane featured in Airforce Delta
>Glitch prevents it from unlocking
Yes I mad

On a pure aesthetic level, I honestly don't like jets whatsoever. I'd rather take a WW2 Era Prop fighter over any jet, looks wise. Maybe i'm alone here, dunno.

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>>15627010
It seems cliche, but something about the F-22's aesthetics are weirdly...perfect. It's elegant in its design to the point of seeming "obvious" almost. Like someone took an airframe and flew it at 20,000mph and let aerodynamics mold it into the ideal shape and that's what came up.

Reminds me of how I felt about the Murcielago when I first saw it.

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>>15650097
If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have accepted the Lawn Dart.

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>>15650324
That was a potential problem.

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Does the AC-130 count?

>>15627632
came here to post this.

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[refueling intensifies]

>>15652262

>A minute's long scene of the girl explaining the intricacies of corn farming

What the fuck was this movie supposed to be?

WHY THE CORN TALK!?

>>15652262
Best host segment EVER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ree220FiOEg

>>15652285
>What the fuck was this movie supposed to be?

Tom Servo summed it up rather succinctly: "So basically, according to themselves, the Air Force is a bunch of leather-faced, not-so-bright, heavy-drinking, dull-witted speed freaks who poop in their pants and can't make it with women, right? Am I right?"

>>15627645
>Russia also has a lot more flat black aircraft lately, really embracing the Cobra Command aesthetic.

more like the SHIELD look

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I Love a Yellow bird.

>>15652285
I suspect it was somehow used to promote the planes, maybe the production was a tax write off or something.

>>15629148
I like how one of the ekranoplans was featured in the first movie of evangelion rebuild

>>15652375
Too bad they didn't make it about a plane that wasn't a textbook example of incredibly stupid design decisions; then maybe it would have at least one redeeming aspect to it.

>>15652466

I'd be more interested in a film about the German generals who thought a dedicated interceptor would make a good ground attack aircraft

>>15652466
>stupid design decisions
Wanting an interceptor to be fast and capable of high altitude flight is far from stupid, unless you were saying that the fighter pilots who Clarence Johnson consulted for the requirements of the F-104 program were also stupid, since they explicitly said that the number one thing they needed was speed.

>>15652466
footage of planes doing stuff and blowing stuff up with comfy music is kinda cool no matter what plane they use

>>15652472
Lockheed sold it to them as a multirole.
Also the US used F104's as fighter bombers too, it wasn't just a German thing.

>>15652490
It doesn't exactly take an aerospace engineer to look at the extreme chord and ratio of the Starfighter's wings, along with the long fuselage, and figure out it was meant for going super fast and not much else.
Obviously Lockheed shares some of the blame, but the Germans should have had more stringent acquisition procedures to make sure what they were buying was what they needed.

>>15652484
Speed at the expense of absolutely everything else is indeed stupid, as the results make plainly obvious, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume it went without saying that the fighter jocks weren't expecting to lose every other performance aspect to attain it. Either way, Johnson really should've exercised better discretion in designing that thing.

>>15652499
>the Germans should have had more stringent acquisition procedures to make sure what they were buying was what they needed

None of that matters when monetary amnesty overrides practical requirements, in which case they buy what Schlockheed pays them to buy.

Nobody likes the F-117

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>>15652683
I do.
This guy, along with Denys Overholser and Ufimtsev is pretty much half the reason the US has maintained such a lead over the rest of the world in terms of combat aircraft.

>>15652499
Google the Lockheed Scandal. Lockheed bribed their way to export success. Heck they even went through the yakuza to sell to the JSDF.

One fighter pilot who campaigned against the 104 was *the* Erich Hartmann, and was pushed out for his intransigence.

>>15652970
ahh yes, erich "overinflated kill count due to dodgy kraut kill tally systems" hartmann

>>15627010
autism levels are the off the charts. you can't make this shit up, i thought falling in love with fictiona drawings and celebrity women was retarded you guys have jetfus rofl.

BUt ILL ADD to ehe Fire guess my jetfu is EUROFIGHTER cause it looks like a flying dorito and it looks i've alwas liked the name and shape

>>15652993
"It is appearances, characteristics and performance that make a man love an airplane, and they are what put emotion into one. You love a lot of things if you live around them, but there isn't any woman and there isn't any horse, nor any before nor any after, that is as lovely as a great airplane, and men who love them are faithful to them even though they leave them for others. A man has only one virginity to lose in fighters, and if it is a lovely plane he loses it to, there his heart will ever be."
-- Hemingway

>>15652318
[angry ribbon noises]

>>15652985
Ah yes, anon "has no argument so has to whine about Hartmann instead of addressing the fact that no country on the planet would have flown Starfighters if it weren't for corruption and bribery".

>>15654083
if it was only due to bribery, surely in the 40+ years of flying the aircraft, Italy would have replaced them with something else.

>>15654129
>40+ years of flying the aircraft
40+ years where 137 out of 246 aircraft were lost without having seen combat.
So yes, either bribery, lack of funding for a replacement once they were suckered into buying the things, or Italy simply hates fighter pilots.

>>15654220
Ever heard of the sunk cost fallacy?

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>>15652285
>WHY THE CORN TALK!?
Why did Matthew McConaughey talk corn for over half the movie if it was about space????

>>15654477
Maybe there was some grant from The Iowa Corn Board by having a certain amount of corn-positive content

>>15654371
The sunk cost fallacy caused almost forty percent of Italy's 104's to crash?

>>15654220
You left out the part where that 40% was Italian built F-104S's.

>>15652262
Dorkly, why don't you accept a transfer to a bomber squadron? You know it'd make me happy and I've talked with the Generals.

>>15652375
Can't be to promote the plane. By 1964 it was already in wide service.

Seems to me that a production company got ahold of a ton of stock footage of a training squadron and decided to build a film around it.

>>15654129
Turns out when you spend a lot of money on fighter aircraft at the height of the Cold War, you use what you have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Lu6LEQ0zo

>>15654887
Pilots are far more expensive than fighter aircraft.

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>>15654899
Tell that to the Bundeswehr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaAbrjLhOw

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>>15654483
Perhaps Lockheed didn't like the idea of their pet rock having to share the spotlight with something more thematically appropriate.

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>>15650748
It's funny because the Aventador's aesthetics are inspired by the Raptor

>>15652683
The F-117 is pretty fucking cool.

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>And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIJvPj_pjE

>>15654939
The German airforce didn't spend a lot of time or money training its pilots, which is the primary reason so many of them became lawn darts in the F-104.

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Avro Arrow

>>15655647
mig-31 lookin' nigga

>>15655405
>>15627112
I wonder if there is a A-10 pilot somewhere that got license plates for his car that read BRRRRRT

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>>15656106
Hopefully not, I don't want to know there's a pilot out there flying who believes in dated, untrue memes. The real memes is that the A-10 kills almost as many Marines as the Osprey.

>>15656175
the whole USAF in general are known as marine killers

>>15656193
>call us chair force will you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I6-2NJhnf4

>>15655531
Apparently the only ones who bothered to train their pilots properly were the Spaniards.

>>15656175

It's like, I can just tell it's you every single post. Change up your tone or syntax man, it's just too easy.

>>15656175

>A-10 has killed 35
>Harrier has killed 19

Harrier really has no right to talk, why is she the one throwing stones?

>>15656193
Has the chair farce ever NOT been a complete travesty?

>>15656207
Reinforcing negative perceptions of your service branch again?

>>15630307
It's not like the F35 turned out to be a masterpiece. Who knows. Might have actually been better than what we got.

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>>15627655

>>15658361
>Might have actually been better than what we got.
...said no one who actually knows anything about the X-32, ever.

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>>15658361
>Might have actually been better than what we got

I don't really have a lot of knowledge on jets, but I quite like the F-15 and the Gripen.

>>15655162
Here's your (You).

>>15658392
so sad,

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>>15658361
>It's not like the F35 turned out to be a masterpiece.

Let me guess, you think it can't turn either.

>>15659915
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>>15659955
>things that never happened and are loosely based on a single commander's over reacting

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I miss when bongs has their own F-35

>>15659955
>moments_before_your_F-22's_electronics_shut_down_because_you_crossed_the_international_date_line.webm
See? I also reference a one-off event that was immediately fixed and happened a long fucking time ago. Hilarious, right?

>>15654477
what's up with the pencil

>>15660294
Her dad's an engineer and she's a smart girl. Probably needs it to take notes and shit. I don't recall if she ever uses it for anything at that point in the movie.

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>>15659915
It can't even into carrier takeoffs and landings what a lemon, amirite?

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>>15660254
They do have their own F-35, its called the F-35.
The British 5th gen program was wrapped up into the JSF program.

>>15660581
Funny how a conceit of mecha anime has now become a reality.

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>>15660603
The F-35 also has a really cool helmet that lets you see through your aircraft. Sort of like the YF-19's cockpit screens, but contained in the HMD.

>>15660610
We really do live in the future.

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>>15660581
>fw you will never be a fighter pilot peeping into people's homes from miles away.

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>>15660581
BAE prototype was more of British ATF