What's your favorite Gothicmade design?

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>>15605278
If none of the above isn't an acceptable choice, I'll have to go with this guy.

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>>15605278
Has the Magna Palace been shown yet? The head is pretty baller.

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>>15605626
It hasn't.

This guy hasn't shown up in the design books and got its ass kicked by a mirage unit but I think it's the best designed GTM.

>>15605278
That's like asking what my favorite flavor shit is.

>>15605965
What's wrong with them?

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>>15605850
>it's been 4-5 years since the retcon and he still hasn't shown the new KoG
Goddammit, Nagano.

>>15608214
The Gothicmades are pretty big steps down from the Mortar Headds, honestly. They've certainly grown on me, but there's something unappealing about Nagano's autistic amount of detail on things that're basically stick figures.

>>15608360
>They've certainly grown on me, but there's something unappealing about Nagano's autistic amount of detail on things that're basically stick figures.

It's not the detail, it's the silhouette. There are quite a few MH that are more detailed than the GTMs like Yen Xing. Most GTMs lack the distinct silhouettes that made each MH unique.

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>>15608360
I like how we never go to see that one do anything during the majestic stand

>>15605581

I haven't seen this one yet, it looks great.

>>mfw I love all Nagano designs old and new

>>15608360
>The Gothicmades are pretty big steps down from the Mortar Headds, honestly.

I think that's the major thing. But in general they are cooler than most mecha designs.

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>>15605278
Gothicmades look like shit
They look like his old 70s designs but with the proportions corrected so the model kit will actually stand up, but that also makes them lose their edge

Why is Nagano the only one who's still allowed to churn out low-quality 70s "mecha drawings" and still be paid? He needs to catch up with every other mecha illustrator since 2000

>>15608605
Show me a 70's mecha that looks like the GTMs?

IBO took GTM's aesthetics in several designs and those were very well received

I still do not understand for the life of me why the Magnapalace has a maximum engine output of infinity. What is Nagano smoking.

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>>15608605
>70s designs
Nagano didn't start til the 80s
>proportions corrected
That's like, the biggest complaint against the Gothicmades, because the proportions are all fucked now
>Why is Nagano the only one who's still allowed to churn out low-quality 70s "mecha drawings" and still be paid?
Why does your bait have the subtlety of an anvil?

>>15609214
The odd thing with Darkas the Black Knight is that you could slap heavy armor onto her and she'd basically be the same as the old one. She literally just needs a heavy armor exterior coating.

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>>15608618
>Show me a 70's mecha that looks like the GTMs?

Not him, but Kaiserin's face was inspired by Ultraman.

I hate how all GTMs have that "croissant" arm shape curving outwards. ALL OF THEM.

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>>15609518
It looks like a typical MH face, what do you mean?

>>15605278
No kits, one short film nobody has seen, and a manga that hasn't even been translated.

How the hell are we supposed to have an opinion on something a grand total of two people know anything about?

>>15610077
I didn't know you had to read something to have an opinion on a design

>>15608214
>they're all very samey
>they're visually very busy and cluttered
>the Z-joints look really stupid
>they replaced much superior designs

>>15608625
It's a literal god machine.

>>15610096
You do, because it's about context. We don't know how these mechs operate or why they look so weird. It's like evaluating Fafners.

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>>15610101
These look the same to you?
>>15610110
It's not like we have a FSS/GTM thread every few days or anything discussing the designs or anything

>>15610116
Discussions don't mean shit when they're coming from a bunch of idiots who can't even read the source material.

>>15610116
Yeah, they do. GTMs are like if all Mortar Headds were Junchoon variants.

>>15610119
Would you care to read the contents of the OP?

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>>15610126
Your shitposting confuses me

>>15610148
No, because I don't speak Jap and neither do you. That's why no one cares.

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>>15610151
GTMs are about as varied as these.

>>15610126
Every MH is an L-Gaim variant though.

>>15610165
Let me know when we're talking about the story and not designs, anon.

>>15610194
Describe how a Gothicmade works then of you even can.

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>>15610194
Also, most of Nagano's GTM designs have yet to even appear in the context of the story, so even if you know Japanese you can't discuss them outside of their MH version because they HAVEN'T been shown. The only thing anyone can discuss about most of these robots is their design because they have yet to play a part in the actual story.

>>15610077
>a manga that hasn't even been translated.
>needing translations
what a pleb.

>>15610204
Well a large part of the problem is that Designs is so far ahead of the manga. If you read into the Magnapalace's description on Designs 4 for instance, it mentions a lot of the things that we already know with KoG, the last exodus, Amaterasu, etc. etc, but it doesn't tell us much about anything new (Like what the fuck is the Triple Segment/Three Stage Devidia Cannons I want to actually see why it's called that)

I was particularly interested in the Zarathustra Apter Bringer actually...I'm really wondering if the Satellite Polyphonic Cannon is nested into the mech like the Jagd Mirage's Ocular Beam cannon.

You can discuss part of the retcon history I guess, because the factions list in Designs 4 is particularly interesting with how some GTMs overlap with the old MHs, but then I don't think everyone can even read through the timeline or work through Nagano's wacky foreign -> Japanese translations.

>>15610198
They don't work in a logical sense. That's why the appear stiff because there isn't much of a practical way for them to move since they don't have human anatomy. MHs and GTMs all have giant heels so they don't work in any practical sense other than it being a fucking mecha manga. Nagano gets by this by having them mostly teleport around or just move insanely fast in the manga. You can see this in the longer Gothicmade trailers.

>>15610217
You're the first person in this topic who seems to know what he's talking about. What separates a GTM from a Mortar Headd other than how they look?

>>15610218
Did the Gothicmade movie even touch on what Helious Metal is supposed to do? I know there's a prismatic function that reflects the power output but I don't know if that was because of the Metal or if that's just Die Kaiserin's "thing"

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>>15610217
>I was particularly interested in the Zarathustra Apter Bringer actually.

Still don't understand the purpose of the giant things on its heels

>>15610218
>They don't work in a logical sense.

IIRC Mortar Headds are half-floating ships because they generate their own center of gravity, so their feet and legs are mainly for show unless they have engines mounted inside of them. That's why they can all have high heels or even no heels and still move at supersonic speeds.

>>15610227
Have you seen the weapons?

The way the fight are basically completely different. Most of the Majestic Stand GTM fights consisted of the GTMs shooting beam weaponry with the occasional very short sword fight where the GTM falls to pieces as soon as it comes into contact with a sword.

Someone previously mentioned the fatima being able to move the GTMs without actually being inside them now, too.

>>15610230
>Helious Metal

Stop using all this terminology that us uneducated Gaijins know nothing about and start explaining this >>15610227

>>15610227
From what I've read in Design 4, it's largely a difference in the creation material, different engine output (The new series uses Hasen ハ閃 engines, which are another part that aren't well explained), and some of the specification details that have changed.

If you're asking in terms of "function", really they're practically indistinguishable because everything from development cycle (The Clothos GTM's page goes into how the Speed Mirage GTM stand in had like 8 development cycles) to even some of the hardpoint weapons are effectively all the same. Sure you get a different aesthetic and different name for most of them, but otherwise there isn't much difference otherwise.

How some GTMs are capable of crazy feats? That isn't very well explained as well. Now, admittedly, I haven't read through every page of Design 4 and 5, but even the pages that I have read namedrop more than they explain.

>>15610235
I have no clue either. It might be part of the optional Luna Flight Unit though?

>>15610230
>>15610246
Not him, but someone wrote extensively about the differences in one of the older threads:

>"Powerful" isn't the correct word- they've been "modernized". Gothicmades are not technically more powerful, but how they function is a bit different than an Mortar Headd. Whereas Mortar Headds have a lot of hand-to-hand and melee brawling, where punching and grappling is a valid option in most fights, the same cannot be said for Gothicmades. Fights like the one with Ashura Temple and its shoulder claws have become totally obsolete by Gothicmade standards. Gothicmades are essentially walking guns- more often than not the outcome of the battle is decided by who strikes first, not by a long duel. It is now all about efficiency and strategy. This is how it was portrayed in the Gothicmade movie as well. Their weapons are now a combination of a beam rifle and energy sword. In fact, some Gothicmades like Kaiserin can even eat energy beams with their energy fields. Their forms are designed for maximum speed and articulation. Something you may not have noticed, but most Mortar Headds couldn't even move their necks. Gothicmade are like humanoid snakes. How they fight is also like snakes. All the outdated piston joints have been replaced with rails because that is at the moment the fastest form of movement between two solid surfaces, as demonstrated by bullet trains. There is no longer a need for extensive body armor like a Mortar Headd, in fact most Gothicmades are half-naked. This is why you no longer see any bulky Gothicmades other than some like the Ashura Temple, which are bulky not because of their armor but because of their giant frame. All armor is now translucent and has self-regeneration ability. There is also now more importance for the Fatima not as just a co-pilot, but a logistics and strategy simulation computer and communications guide. And unlike Mortar Headds, all Gothicmades are capable of space combat.

>>15610253
meant to quote >>15610227

>>15610246
Helious Metal is the construction material used in the Magnapalace. It's apparently semi-translucent to translucent, so I had originally thought it was tied to the Kaiserin's "necklace collar" that changes color to reflect its operational states. But I don't remember exactly whether the Kaiserin's tech specs said anything about the Helious metal if at all.

Normally I would have translated it to Helios, but the Design 4 splash page suggests it might be Helious and Nagano's own translations are a bit wonky (not straight to English all the time)

>>15610243
I think this is clarified in Design 5, but yes, Fatima have a wider range of functions and are shown as actual field soldiers in army units rather than just MH accessories.

Like I said before, because so much material is still left in Design and the manga is so far behind, it's really a pain in the ass to compile it all and go "Well Design says this and the manga confirms it with this"

>>15610253
>All armor is now translucent and has self-regeneration ability.
This part was what I understood from the Helious Metal, but I still can't find any source for where it comes from/why it does what it does.

>>15610255
Have you been keeping up with the new manga chapters? So far they keep getting posted but none of the idiots in those threads know what is going on because none of then can read it.

>>15610259
>>15610255
Also what is the big change from FSS to GTM? Just the designs, or the setting and timeline as well? Is LED Mirage still OP?

>>15610259
I haven't unfortunately. I don't really have a reliable source for them, and while I can read, it still takes me one or two passes to figure things out, especially with how many proper nouns that Nagano throws into there.

Like with >>15610116
>the main force at Umos(?) in the South....Pahatoma(?) is there hey?
>Man this sucks...(stylized translation of "Man this stinks")
>The Black Knight Captain Weissmel(? - I don't remember his name from FSS anymore but I think it's the same guy), he isn't coming is he?

With zero context I have no clue what they're actually talking about as far as most of those proper nouns go. When I was reading through Design 4 it wasn't that bad because I could go back and forth and tie up which names were supposed to be people, which ones were GTM, which ones were countries/factions and whatnot.

>>15610268
Would you like the new scans then of all the new chapters? Some anon save up enough of all the Newtype chapters for volumes 13 and 14.

>>15610263
Well Magnapalace (KoG replacement) is the most powerful mech output wise. But the Zarathustra Apter Bringer (new LED Mirage) is pretty fucking OP as far as I can tell. Again - no manga that actually pulls them in? I have nothing to relate to that to.

A lot of the history has changed by a fair bit. But there is one thing to note. If I go by Design 4's timeline, Gothicmade is FAR in advance of FSS proper, but the factions/kingdom listing suggests that GTM have just replaced MHs wholesale. There's a strange divide there that makes me wonder how extensive the retcon goes.

I don't think I have the picture on hand anymore, but you can actually match the Songstress's name from Gothicmade to the timeline in Designs 4 (because Designs 4 indicated the assassination attempt), then match that to the later timeline where Amaterasu and crew are.

A lot of the changes? Name changes. FEMC becomes ZKKM. MH names to GTM names. etc. etc. Many of the major plot points? Seems to be the same.

>>15610271
I mean if you have them sure, but it takes me a lot longer to translate manga than hard technical details for the reasons I already brought up. I suck when it comes to nuanced expressions and such.

Having the context does help somewhat though.

>>15610274
Just see what you can do anon. These aren't my files but some anon was kind enough to post links in the older threads.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4c1n5i3mim95ckf/FSS+Vol+13+NT.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hs6921rhqdlhgey/FSS+Vol+14.zip

>>15610272
>Gothicmade is FAR in advance of FSS proper

What do you mean by this?

Also what happened to Machine Messiahs?

>>15610281
Give me a moment and I'll see if I have my old notes from Design 4.

>>15610279
Thanks. I can't guarantee a translation immediately but if Naganothreads show up periodically I'll figure out if there's actually interesting details and post back.

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>>15610268
>When I was reading through Design 4 it wasn't that bad because I could go back and forth and tie up which names were supposed to be people, which ones were GTM, which ones were countries/factions and whatnot.

Have you had a chance to look at Designs 5 yet? It goes over some of the major factions and a lot more details about the new style of combat.

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>>15610286
>>15610281
Ok. So. This picture is from Designs 4 or 5, but it's basically the timeline that pulls both Gothicmade and FSS together.

The first red circle? It says The Gothicmade Kaiserin, passed on to the Songstress Raan (Lann?). This is the same person as in the Gothicmade movie. We know this because the Songstresses are expressly described as being part of a "chain" - they're all tied to one another in some way. The event right next to that in year 451? That's Gothicmade - it details the assassination attempt on the Songstress and the part that Donov(I seriously hate translating proper nouns) Kingdom's Prince halted.

The second Red Circle at 2020 describes what happens on Delta Belun, the birth of Amaterasu proper.

There is VERY little description on the Super Empires, from 7900 to 9000 - that's where the timeline describes the Super Empires all dying off (Unio is obliterated, Das Rand splits into two, first mention of Amaterasu House is in 8383 when the Flame Empress returns once)

>>15610287
Yup, I read through a fair bit of Designs 5. I pretty much drew the same conclusions as the other anon you brought up. The real meat was in how they illustrated the Super Empire, and the Flame Empress's lineage (to me anyways) because that part had never been truly specified.

>>15610297
Fuck I forgot. But to put it in relative terms. The AD calender's year 0 is year 9899 on the old calendar, so technically Gothicmade is 9899+451 to 476, and technically FSS is 9899+2020. All mention of MHs are replaced by GTM.

Year 2400 mentions the "Stabilization of Fatima production, intended to act as the "Strongest Control System" for GTMs - Year 2310 was when Fatimas were first introduced (Lithium Balance gets namedropped here, as well as mention of the Automatic "Flowers"? as an anti-personnel weapon. Like holy fuck Nagano stop using katakana where I have to guess shit)

Year 2400 is also notable because it mentions the Kaiserin again, so the Kaiserin never just completely vanished. Along with the Sword Saint Bisanchin (No clue about the name) the Kaiserin showed up during something called the Minogsia (Fucking place names - all I know is that it's a region) Liberation War.

Eventually Rann/Lann/Raan becomes a title of sorts like the Sword Saint, but it's more of a religious implication than anything.

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>>15610297
>The event right next to that in year 451? That's Gothicmade - it details the assassination attempt on the Songstress and the part that Donov(I seriously hate translating proper nouns) Kingdom's Prince halted.

On the pre-retconned FSS timeline it mentions Mortar Headds were not invented until JC 980, did Nagano retcon that too?

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>>15610268
It's the guy who killed the previous black knight

>>15609479
The svelte scarecrow look is what makes Daccas such a great partner design to Vatshu.

Unironically I think they both rock their respective styles very well.

>>15610317
Yeh I recognize his face, but I failed to remember his name. I only know it was a German -> Japanese transliteration.

>>15610316
I believe it's retconned because MHs are just not mentioned at all, and GTMs have been around for a fair while even by Gothicmade.

>>15610287
What I found really amusing about that sword techs page is that a lot of the names are still the same/similar. I mean the full kanji ones are often translated differently but the katakana confirms a lot of the same things

無走剣 - Lit: No Run Sword, Fig: Motionless Blade
ストラト・ブレード - Lit: Straight (Strat) Blade
飛燕剣 - Lit: Swallow's Sword
連弾衝撃波 - Lit: Repetitive Shock Blasts Fig: Barrage Concussive Blasts (It uses the same fundamentals as the old Sonic Blade and even mentions it)
ブレイクダウン・タイフォーン - Breakdown Typhoon.
無手 - Lit: No Hands Fig: No Draw?

>>15610326
>I believe it's retconned because MHs are just not mentioned at all, and GTMs have been around for a fair while even by Gothicmade.

So it would be safe to assume that Machine Messiahs are no longer a thing? And were any of the characters retconned out of existence?

>>15610307
>Automatic "Flowers"

I remember people saying this was just an alternative name for fatima.

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>>15610258
>but I still can't find any source for where it comes from/why it does what it does.

It was probably from the Gothicmade World Guide.

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>>15610329
I can't confirm Machine Messiahs being entirely retconned but I do know that the Auge also got a name change. If I can find the technical page with the new Auge (if it even exists I don't remember) that description should/maybe mention Machine Messes.

Some characters have changed names I believe but most of them are fairly similar if not outright the same. Design 5 was better for this IIRC because it had a full factions with notable pilots and GTM listing.

>>15610321
Fuck yeah you reminded me that it has to be translated as Daccas because Jan Daccas is the Flame Empress Princess.

>>15610335
>Some characters have changed names I believe but most of them are fairly similar if not outright the same.

I was just asking because I remember some anons talking about Maximum being retconned out of existence, which I have no clue is true or not.

You are doing us all a great service clearing this stuff up.

>>15610333
>Main Battle GTM
ok
>VERTICAL? GTM (Seriously why Ba instead of Pa.)
....THE JAPANESE LITERALLY SAYS HEAVY ARMOUR GTM.
>Hunting GTM
ok. It's meant to hunt other GTMs.
>Insignia GTMs
....I see.

But yeah I honestly haven't read all the materials on Naganoverse out there. I did a lot of it for some other stuff I was doing it and then just stopped for a while.

>>15610331
I think that *might* be the case? I'd need to check Designs 5 to make sure.

>>15610340
Because of how far Maximum is (he's like 3000+ I think) I'd need to find the timeline again to see if he gets brought up, but I'm gonna go get something to eat, so I'll check the timeline later on ge hentai's stuff and see if that's actually the case or not.

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>>15610307
>Along with the Sword Saint Bisanchin (No clue about the name) the Kaiserin showed up during something called the Minogsia (Fucking place names - all I know is that it's a region) Liberation War.

The sword saint is this old guy, Minogusia is the new name for the Hathuha.

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>>15610357
I feel like if I didn't focus so much on just reading the history and read some of the character profiles instead it'd be a lot easier to do those character translations lol.

>>15610331
Yep I checked. Automatic Flowers is the battle designation for Fatimas, so like how Gothicmades are GTMs, Fatimas are AFs.

>>15610340
Maximum isn't retconned, but he IS demoted to "I don't know what role you're supposed to fucking play". In the factions listing he's still present under his Makishi Kaien name, and Solid State Logic is still his Fatima. His GTM (The Gritter B4-2) is literally also known as the B4 Mirage #2. I circled him in the picture.

The factions list here is updated because it has Amaterasu piloting the Magnapalace (aka Mirage Type-D). The Auge is now called the Morpho the Sultan (Fatima Bacstual or however you spell her name) Ragnar is unchanged and still there. Ikaruga is unchanged and still there. Aisha and Alecto are still there. There's even Mell Rince, even though there's now also a Mell Coul Litora...that's a songstress in the Amaterasu house.

There's apparently a Type X Mirage Kaiserin called the Zenoa Apterbringer that doesn't show up until 3075 - under a guy that's the "Last Number" of the Mirage Knights.

>>15610424
>even though there's now also a Mell Coul Litora...that's a songstress in the Amaterasu house.

That was Amaterasu's first wife. She appears as an angel in the first volume and 80s film.

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>>15610435
I think they retconned that part about her being Amaterasu's wife, it's not mentioned anywhere on her bio, and while they tie her existence to the existence of the Amaterasu House, she's not actually tied to Amaterasu himself in the same way as Litora was in the original FSS.

>>15610446
Really? I guess the old FSS movie is no longer canon (whatever that means in the context of FSS) since Litora was one of the more important side characters and her role as Amaterasu's deceased wife plays a huge part in his decision to marry Lachesis.

This is why I generally pay more attention to the actual manga than the bios. It's much more consistent.

>>15610451
I honestly no longer know where the "GTM cutoff" is for the manga because of how many characters overlap and serve the same roles, yet the background history has shifted in some places and some characters have been shifted around.

I'm sure it all makes perfect fucking sense in Nagano's head but man is his canon flexible as shit.

>>15610455
>I'm sure it all makes perfect fucking sense in Nagano's head but man is his canon flexible as shit.

Yep. I still remember how the Super Empire and Machine Messiahs were retconned into FSS prior to the Majestic Stand. And Machine Mess's were retconned out of existence.

>>15610457
Well the Machine Messes were effectively merged into GTMs as well. GTMs and Buster Launchers both showed up during AD 5000~ (like 6000 years before Gothicmade).

I guess he just streamlined that part?

>>15605278
Do any of them lack the stupid long, skinny worm torso? If so, that one.

>>15610482
>long, skinny worm torso
That's literally Nagano's fetish

>>15610476
I'm talking about the time before the GTM retcons. The Majestic Stand introduced a whole slew of retcons to the designs, setting, and story (even the art style took its first massive shift).

Originally the history of Mortar Headds is that they started out as Machine Mess before the introduction of Fatima, and their predecessors were actually Buster Launcher-equipped space fighter jets. Somewhere along the way the jets and Machine Mess were knocked out of existence. Now with GTM, Machine Messiah, Machine Mess, and Mortar Headd are all one and the same but from different time periods.

>>15610483
It wasn't nearly as annoying with his L-gaim/FSS stuff.

>>15610489
Didn't he still have Machine Messes in late game Majestic Stand? I thought the Auge was supposed to be one of the last Machine Messes left.

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>>15610495
Auge was a Machine Messiah. That's why it has a Super Empire symbol on its head.

>>15610500
Did Majestic Stand retgone the Auge or something?

...Fuck I still don't think I've seen Morpho's design actually. I wonder how far removed from the Auge it is.

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>>15610495
Wonder why it never showed up in the GTM chapters? Or the KAN..the carrier for the pink undercover KoG shows up for like a panel though with a quick flashback

Kaiserin is the goat mirage, right? If so, what is this supposed to be?

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>>15610446
To be honest, as far as I can remember? It never amounted to anything, honestly. The narrative just kind of forgot about her after the Three Fates: Lachesis arc. I feel like if it weren't for her appearance in that, Nagano would've retconned her out of it completely.

You're doing god's work translating/summarizing the retcons, though.

>>15610455
>>15610457
To be honest, FSS' greatest attribute is also its biggest problem. It's Nagano just making a setting and short stories full of everything he likes, but he retcons it to fit in the new shit he likes.

>>15610491
Yeah, his older stuff is leagues better than the Gothicmades are. The GTMs' torsos look like they're half the size they need to be, width wise.

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>>15610502
>Did Majestic Stand retgone the Auge or something?

MM Auge was retconned into the story during the Majestic Stand, along with the entire Engage series and various other MH like Groon and the Mighty Series and the Speed Mirage. There was the MH Auge prior to it, but that was a completely different machine with a different role as one of Amaterasu's prototypes for the KOG.

>>15610507
>To be honest, as far as I can remember? It never amounted to anything, honestly. The narrative just kind of forgot about her after the Three Fates: Lachesis arc. I feel like if it weren't for her appearance in that, Nagano would've retconned her out of it completely.

It's kind of like what happened with the Mirage Green Left. It was retconned into the story for a single arc as the villains to pilot the Jagd Mirage, but then promptly forgotten about and later just used as an excuse for Nagano to add in new members to the Mirage Knights that weren't originally established.

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Reminder there are humans with MH names now like Bang and Auge

>>15610506
It's related to the Flame Empress of Unio, so I think that might actually be the Schtzean? Jan Daccas pilots a custom Schtzean, and the text below does read "Queen's Royal Flameguard". Unio had a unit called the Seven Swords that formed their Helios Holy Knight Brigade, and there's a bit of surmising that with her mother's return (implying the speaker is Jan?) that they'll also show up.

...She fucking does a fuckton of namedrops which I think are all people from the Super Empire, so without more context I can't really figure out who is who.

>>15610507
...Yeah honestly with Nagano's retcons, I have no clue when info gets outdated and revised completely.

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>>15610424
>Maximum isn't retconned, but he IS demoted to "I don't know what role you're supposed to fucking play".

So the same thing that happened to poor Jhon Weinzel then. Started out as the literal poster boy of the Mirage Knights when FSS first began and was introduced as far back as a named character in the old L-Gaim and Joker 3100 artbooks as the guy who would lead the invasion on Fillmore with the two Jagd Mirages, only to show up for one short sidestory and never heard from again.

>>15610520
Yeah, Crrosus Bang and Mikita Auge are two of the guys named by (Maybe Jan?) in >>15610506

>>15610527
Yeah poor Weinzel. I liked his character quite a bit too.

>>15610525
>...Yeah honestly with Nagano's retcons, I have no clue when info gets outdated and revised completely.

I just split it into four periods:

>Lachesis and Clotho arc (Vols 1-3 and establishes FSS with strong ties to L-Gaim)

>Traffics and Atropos arc (Vols 4-8 and adds in non-god related magical elements like Divers and Dragons and Bosjasfot)

>Majestic Stand (Vols 9-12 and adds in retcons of MH and the addition of the Super Empire and Machine Messiahs)

>Gothicmade (Vols 13-present and adds in complete overhaul of every mechanical design and terminology and plenty of other things)

Compared to Gundam, this isn't actually that bad. The only problem is that to newer readers like us it comes all at once instead of over the slow course of 30 years.

>>15610547
Hrrmmm. I came in around 4-8. and went a bit through 9-12, so I guess I have Gothicmade to catch up on and figure out just what differences there are.

Still, it's fun to get Japanese stuff to read every now and then. Thanks again to the anon that uploaded it before.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised Nagano never tried to expand FSS into video games, or even tabletop. The setting's just about perfect for an RPG of some sort.

>>15610517
They never even showed up after that, did they? I remember that Parthenon got her eyes burned out by the Green Demon Jagd, but that's about it.

>>15610525
The best way to view it is as a mythology, with the inconsistencies and retcons being differences in storytelling. It kind of works considering the series has an almost-Tolkien level of scope and ambition, but it's a big mark against the series and makes it pretty hard to get into.

>>15610554
I wish there were a better site for FSS English reference material than Gears Online. They got confused about the retcons too and merged some things together like Machine Messiah and Machine Mess because the English volumes don't segregate the available information at the time of publication, making info from newer arcs overlap with old ones despite it not making sense.

>>15610569
>They never even showed up after that, did they?

They did, like in volume 10 with Saurion/Ikagura and the rest defending the castle from Bosjasfort and Decors, but Saurion's personality was completely different then from his psychopathic murder antics from the original arc. The Green Left is now just another faction of the Mirage Knights like the Orange Right, not Amaterasu's secret order of murderers and assassins like how it was originally presented.

>The best way to view it is as a mythology, with the inconsistencies and retcons being differences in storytelling.

I just view each of these arcs where retcons applied >>15610547 as different works. The focus and tone in each arc are so different that despite sharing technically the same setting they might as well be different works.

>>15610569
>Honestly, I'm kind of surprised Nagano never tried to expand FSS into video games, or even tabletop. The setting's just about perfect for an RPG of some sort.

Because that would require giving the license to others and losing control of the franchise. FSS = Nagano and nothing else.

>>15610570
I think a lot of people just lost interest overall, and honestly I'm sort of one of those, I just drift in and out and catch up with whatever I missed.

>>15610589
In the case of Gears Online it was because the English volumes stopped publication after 2006. And then eventually the resin kits died too, so all interest flew out the window because there was nothing new left that was accessible to non-Japanese.

>>15610588
>Because that would require giving the license to others and losing control of the franchise.

I can understand that, but why does Nagano stay fixated on FSS for so long? Why doesn't he start a new manga like countless other mangaka or work on some more anime? He has many many ideas, but forcing them all into one source damages them both, like with the Gothicmade retcons. Very interesting designs on there own, but ruined because they were forced into a franchise where they don't fit.

>>15610622
>or work on some more anime?
Maybe because Bandai/Sunrise were assholes and the last anime he worked on took like 6 years.

Weird how like soon after the Majestic Stand he started planning Gothicmade and soon after that hints of the retcon started popping up. Really makes me wonder why he bothered designing all those new MHS like the Mighty series if he was just gonna scrap them.

>>15610622
>I can understand that, but why does Nagano stay fixated on FSS for so long?

Because pretty much every other project he worked on got ruined/blocked by producers and sponsors. Like Zeta Gundam and Schell Bullet.

FSS is the only outlet Nagano has to truly express himself.

>>15610645
>the last anime he worked on took like 6 years.

Because he more or less funded it all by himself in true Orson Welles fashion. That's why he didn't hire an entire studio and took that long to have it made.

>>15610622
He's the quintessential worldbuilder, a man obsessed with the idea of creating one legacy world that contains everything he hoped for. At this point I'm not sure he even does it for the profit, but rather for the sake of having something he calls "his".

>>15610580
That's a pretty fair way to look at it too, honestly. I wish Nagano would let someone act as story editor or something, though.

>>15610588
>implying Nagano wouldn't sit at his computer to learn RPG maker if he really wanted to

>>15610597
Honestly, with the advent of digital publishing, I really hope Nagano tries getting it released in the west again. I doubt it'll happen, but t's nice to dream.

>>15610622
>I can understand that, but why does Nagano stay fixated on FSS for so long?

He uses FSS as just a leverage brand to let him do whatever he wants. Because FSS is so established in Newtype, they can't axe it. So Nagano is free to do whatever crazy retcons or redesigns that he wants with it. It is the same reason Tomino agreed to slap the Gundam name on G-Reco. Everyone knows he wants Gundam to die, but he had to use the brand name again to get his show made and free from sponsor control.

>>15610676
Is he crazy enough to start FSS over from the beginning again, though?

>>15610683
He easily could make a new story from scratch, given how many different side stories he threw in FSS. That tank and infantry battle alone had enough thought put into it to be its own universe separate from FSS.

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>>15610656
>Because he more or less funded it all by himself in true Orson Welles fashion.

Nagano wine commercial when?

>>15610520
>a black anime character who actually looks black

What a rarity.

>>15610932
He's also strong enough to destroy GTMs with just his Gutt Blow (Spadd)

He's apparently the strongest of the swords in terms of pure destructive strength.

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>>15605278
Jagd mirage.

From a /wbg/ perspective the FSS is epic because he's basically put as much work as Tolkien did worldbuilding wise into his story that has basically 1/1000th of even Silmarillion's fanbase.

From a /m/ perspective the FSS is a piece of shit that retcons itself every 4 years because he keeps wanting to make his waifus prettier and his waifus also happen to be machines.

From a /jp/ perspective the FSS is an anomaly because it's one otaku gone so far that he's actually became successful with his fetish, and somehow he's actually married and doing well.

From a /jc/ perspective the FSS is a pain in the ass because when I ever get to remaking for my chains that I need to figure out how to properly translate half the things that are still in Japanese German before figuring out if there's still a single person left who hasn't been Naganoed into an anorexic sex machine.

Nagano may have retgonned the cyberdemons, we're still not sure on that part because the manga hasn't completely caught up yet. The questions people are trying to currently answer are:

a) How many wives does Amaterasu have post cosmic retcon?
b) What happened to his original wives?
c) How many female alter forms does he still have and how many of them are galaxy waifus?
d) What happened to all of /m/'s waifus (robots) because over half of them now look anorexic and the other half are just missing? Why is the LED Mirage wearing a bridal veil?
e) Was Lakky pregnant for 7777 years in the Virginity Coffin or did the Virginity Coffin actually do its job and keep Lakky's virginity intact until Amaterasu showed up to claim it in year 7777? (That's around year 2100 Earth time iirc, because Earth 1945 was in the 7000s somewhere)

>>15611221
...it took me a while to figure it out because I just couldn't finish reading it, but by the sound of all that this whole thing is basically a more professionally drawn Sonichu.

>>15611223
Even as I was saying on the /m/ general today, Five Star Stories is a culmination of one man's fetishes that transforms to reflect his growing fetishes. It's hard to make that epic when he's just concerned about his waifus.

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>>15608518
Nice zettai ryouiki.

>>15611223
>but by the sound of all that this whole thing is basically a more professionally drawn Sonichu.

I think we've reached the limit on bait so bad it becomes a fishing pole.

I gotta say, I really love the heels on all these things. They remind me of StarDriver's Tauburn.

>>15610279
Does anyone know where I can get vol. 11 and 12?

>>15611221
>a) How many wives does Amaterasu have post cosmic retcon?
>b) What happened to his original wives?
>c) How many female alter forms does he still have and how many of them are galaxy waifus?

Anon it sounds more like you are the one obsessed with waifus here.

>>15611277
>They remind me of StarDriver's Tauburn.

Mortar Headds are the direct inspiration for the Cybodies from Star Driver.

>>15611282
He's crossposting from /tg/, and doing a really bad job at it too.

Man volume 13 is packed with shit....even the opening chapters with Daccas the Black Knight pretty much reworked how Fatimas work.

>>15611479
>He's crossposting from /tg/,

That explains the autism in those posts. And I thought /m/ was bad.

>>15611485
Well he also did a terrible job because the front half of the conversation was me trying to explain how Lachesis still ends up trapped inside the Magnapalace for several thousand years, but...Kallen doesn't get born until year 7777.

In the original timeline before GTM Kallen's birth is a lot more clear cut, but in the GTM timeline, Kallen...just kind of pops out? Because they retgoned Maximum's role in making URI, Kallen also ends up serving a really ambiguous purpose.

I'm still not sure why he decided to copy and paste posts wholesale to crosspost though. Without the picture of the ZAB to boot. I thought about it for a while, and I think the ZAB's giant leg extensions might actually be stabilizers or something?

>>15611497
>I'm still not sure why he decided to copy and paste posts wholesale to crosspost though.

Probably to elicit shitposters. Happens in FSS threads a lot.

>>15611506
Our threads are slow as shit though, it's not like this is a G-Reco thread.

That said Nagano turned Ballanche into a woman so hot that a man "Kaien" fell in love at first sight.

Then literally even more terminology renaming as Meights became Garlands, and Fatimas are only Automatic Flowers when they're in combat.

>>15611517
>That said Nagano turned Ballanche into a woman

Haha, what

>>15611506
Funny you mention that because our friend Dirge here is notorious for shitposting FSS in our /tg/ threads. Somehow he gave it an association with power levels and waifus and retards fall for it without ever touching the manga so nobody else there wants to touch it other to laugh at it.

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>>15611519
He's literally so overwhelmed at the sight of her legs that he can't help but refuse her request that he comes in for tea because he would have creamed himself.

>>15611534
That's not Ballanche, that's Meeth, who was adopted by Ballanche and took his name as his successor. A major recurring character. Chrome Ballanche died a long time ago.

>>15611534
>>15611519
>Ballance: And you would be?
>He's so flustered he can only declare himself as a Buchtgma knight.
>Ballance: No I meant what was your name?
>NO MORE KAIEN PRETENSE (the previous chapter was literally everybody ribbing him that he pretended to be Kaien. Though I don't recognize who Araragi Haito is. Unless he somehow IS Kaien and Haito is a pseudonym.Fuck me if he's a character from vol 12 that I don't remember.
>He's like internally monologuing about how beautiful she is.
>Ballance: Well, nice to meet you, I'm Miss Ballanche (Mizu Ballance, I'm gonna need to read her bio file to see if that's supposed to be a title or her actual name) Would you like to come in for tea? I'm sure you're tired (from the journey, because Weissmel sent this guy to guard Est as she came in for a complete overhaul)
>NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. WOULD GET KILLED BY THE EMPEROR AND THE COMMANDER. CAN'T DISTURB YOUR WORK.
>Est is going "would Master and the Emperor really have said that?"

>>15611541
OH IT'S MEETH? FUCKING SHIT. Should have read your post before >>15611548. That explains a lot.

Last I saw of Meeth she was just a kid back in chapter 20 something.

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>>15611548
>Though I don't recognize who Araragi Haito is. Unless he somehow IS Kaien and Haito is a pseudonym.Fuck me if he's a character from vol 12 that I don't remember.

He's Arraragi Hite, a low-level Headdliner pretending to be Kaien because they look alike, because Kaien was killed by Bosjasfort back in vol 11. Hite was whining about how he doesn't get any respect so he was mooching off Kaien's reputation in the chaos.

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>>15611551
>Last I saw of Meeth she was just a kid back in chapter 20 something.

You should really go back and read volumes 11 and 12.

>>15611531
Who cares what he says on /tg/, as long as they keep their autism there everything will be okay.

>>15611561
Thanks anon. I should just dig up 11/12 to reread...would make understanding why half of this shit is happening a lot easier. The new terms at least are fairly straightforward since he puts in standard descriptions for them in side notes.

...When did Auxo get data on Focuslight? They're talking about her losing all of her battle capabilities from PTSD and Meeth is losing her shit thinking that the data on Focuslight might be lost too.

The only "old" Fatima hidden away that I could think of was Intercity.

>>15611563
I don't have 11/12 unfortunately, that's why when anon gave me 13/14 as a present I was already kind of iffy on doing any large scale translation outside of just mechanics or shit that I found quirky here and there. Nagano's writing is normally so segmented that missing out on some chapters is like missing half the story.

>>15611570
I think he's trying to get people interested in /tg/ without realizing there's only like five of us here on a good day. Or maybe he's also interested in doing translations?

>>15611571
>When did Auxo get data on Focuslight?

Auxo is Focuslight, but reprogrammed like Innercity (who became Harper and died after a battle with some A-Toll Scrittis) to become a different person to be more compatible as a partner to Kaien.

>>15611580
>I don't have 11/12 unfortunately

I think it's in Archive Scan's blog if you want to take a look, but in RAW form. He has countless other FSS artbooks scanned too. Everything posted on GE Hentai for FSS came from him, but it's only half of what he has on his blog.

>>15611587
>I think it's in Archive Scan's blog if you want to take a look, but in RAW form. He has countless other FSS artbooks scanned too. Everything posted on GE Hentai for FSS came from him, but it's only half of what he has on his blog.
Oh good to know! I don't mind reading through the RAWs if it gives me somewhere to work from where I don't have to keep asking "why is this happening".

>>15611570
>Who cares what he says on /tg/
Because a lot of people on /tg/ crossboard /m/, like myself. I've seen Dirge a few times in the G-Reco threads too.

>>15611580
>I think he's trying to get people interested in /tg/ without realizing there's only like five of us here on a good day.

Maybe if you would stop making the manga sound like a piece of shit in every thread you post on /tg/ there wouldn't be only 5 people in these threads. I thought you were dead on /m/ but then you just had to pop your face back in.

>Or maybe he's also interested in doing translations?

5 people in the past two years have offered to do it, and none of them went through with it. I expect nothing more from you other than using it as material for further shitposting.

>>15611649
I'm not sure why you expect us to care about a thread no one goes to. Why do you keep bringing up /tg/ like it's supposed to matter? We're just talking about Nagano here mate.

>>15611657
>I'm not sure why you expect us to care about a thread no one goes to.

If you don't care about this thread then why are you posting in it?

>>15611649
>Because a lot of people on /tg/ crossboard /m/, like myself. I've seen Dirge a few times in the G-Reco threads too.

This sounds like another dumb Busterbeam/Xpearse conflict that no one but you two care about. From what I see in this thread he hasn't said anything that was wrong other than mixing up a bit of history in the chapters, which is understandable since he doesn't have all the chapters. If I wanted to see people act like morons about Nagano, I would just need to go to the SRW thread, nevermind /tg/.

Just knock it off.

>>15611665
You lack reading comprehension don't you? I'm talking about your /tg/ thread, you know, that one that you keep waving around? So far it just sounds like you've been stalking this namefag around 4chan if you've been in every thread he that he posts in on /tg/. Kind of odd that you do that when he's not even namefagging here.

Is this some kind of /tg/ game that you lovebirds play?

>>15611671
It's kind of odd that he says he saw me posting in G-Reco but apparently thinks I was dead. I don't know how I can be dead and posting at the same time...especially when I'm in other threads aside from G-Reco.

But I only brought up G-Reco and FSS when I was discussing mecha elsewhere so I guess that's all he had to go by?

That aside, it wasn't until I got to the chapter where the Flame Empress is flash forwarded in time to the humanity archives with Tai Fon that I realized Nagano took the Chinese reading for Five Star Stories and literally turned it into the GTM Wu Xing Wu Yu. For the longest time I just kept rereading it in my head trying to figure out what language he had taken the name from.

...I don't think there's technical specs of this thing out yet are there?

>>15611649
I'm kind of curious how you managed to follow me through seven threads on /tg/ but missed me across twenty threads on /m/, before finally choosing to post here. Do you just not frequent /m/ that much?

>>15611671
>If I wanted to see people act like morons about Nagano, I would just need to go to the SRW thread, nevermind /tg/.

If you are fine with more people dismissing the whole franchise on grounds of misinformation and stupid meme bullshit, be my guest. You will definitely get more people to laugh at it rather than read it for sure.

>>15611674
>Is this some kind of /tg/ game that you lovebirds play?

Dirge, you're the only person in the entire site that even knows about FSS and can read Jap. Anyone can tell when and where you have posted.

5 people in the /tg/ thread? Good joke.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53771360/#53776662

>>15611689
>Dirge, you're the only person in the entire site that even knows about FSS and can read Jap
Anon, you're on a general discussing Nagano, saying that your namefag is the only person who knows about FSS? Now I don't claim to know Japanese, but only one person knows about FSS?

>>15611686
>I'm kind of curious how you managed to follow me through seven threads on /tg/ but missed me across twenty threads on /m/, before finally choosing to post here. Do you just not frequent /m/ that much?

I only know you are there when you're TLing shit like in this thread, though I haven't been to a G-reco thread in ages due to the excessive shitposting there.

FSS isn't talked about very often here so when someone does talk about it and knows the Japanese, 99% of the time it's going to be you.

>>15611689
>If you are fine with more people dismissing the whole franchise on grounds of misinformation and stupid meme bullshit, be my guest. You will definitely get more people to laugh at it rather than read it for sure.

I am going to assume you are the anon who crossposted those posts from the /tg/ thread. Why would you do so unless you wanted to cause a shitstorm yourself? This thread was going fine until you brought in all this namefaggotry.

>>15611726
The thread that he comes from is a cyoa creation thread that has issues with shitposting. They can't really decide on whether they want to stick to making cyoas or stick to shitposting, and when their folks get really bored it defaults to the latter. Since we only have one FSS thread up at a time anyways it couldn't have been hard to just show up and drop bad copypasta.

Was Shoume Tower a completely new Fatima, or was she just reworked over an existing one? I don't remember any Fatima with specs like hers (and she actually has a height and weight range that goes up to infinity)

>>15611726
>Why would you do so unless you wanted to cause a shitstorm yourself?

Guess who wrote those posts? None other than your dear friend Dirge. Maybe if you actually took the time to stop sucking him off and look through his history in past FSS discussions you would know why he ought to fuck off.

>>15611738
>>15611570

>>15611738
Nobody gives a shit about your autistic crusade, anon. Go back to your containment thread on /tg/.

>>15611745
>>15611649
>Because a lot of people on /tg/ crossboard /m/

>>15611689
>If you are fine with more people dismissing the whole franchise on grounds of misinformation and stupid meme bullshit, be my guest.

I know all about misinformation anon, but whining about it all the time isn't going to get anything done. We had a fine thread with some good info and suddenly you popped in to throw a tantrum at the guy who is taking his time to clear up all this stuff that we have been in the dark for ever since the Gothicmade film came out. I don't see any trace of his info here being shitpost material like it was with Moononymous.

>>15611754
We actually had some really good translators back in the day though. I'm pretty sure some of them are still lurking around on other generals.

>>15611754
>Moononymous

Who?

>>15611762
A shitposter from /jp/ who would routinely fake translations to piss off /m/. Got really infamous for coming up with a lot of bullshit about Nagano and FSS.

>>15611762
Namefag who used to be really active around 2010 and "translated" the Nagano LED Mirage and Turn A quotes, along with a bunch of other things like the Turn A's powers from the novel and Demonbane's copypasta. He is responsible for many of the power level arguments you see on /m/ to this day.

>>15611769
Coming from /jp/ myself that's really sad, because there are dozens if not hundreds of people on /jp/ with better Japanese than me, so the thought of doing fake translations just sounds stupid. He'd basically be doing something that another anon over there could disprove instantly with a bit of goodic and some example sentences. Not to mention what's the point to doing it when Nagano already puts in crazy shit into his worldbuilding...

>>15611777
There's an infamous shitposter on Futaba named Maeda who is known for posting a lot of fake quotes about Nagano and Tomino to slander them both. His usual trick was to take screencaps of certain interviews and then photoshop in extra lines and then claim that the original interview had been altered to hide information. I don't know how much of that fake information Moononymous got his hands on, but Maeda might have been the catalyst for it.

>>15611777
Moononymous's usual trick was to either post truncated sources of the original interview and translate a line out of context, like with Nagano's opinion on Turn A, or say that he "owns" a piece of print material like the Turn A or Zeta novels or Hathaway's Flash and then post bullshit about them because no one else had access to them. To this day people still think that the ending of the Zeta novels had Kamille commit suicide and Hathaway's Flash ended with Quess's ghost laughing at Hathaway before his execution, neither of which ever happened.

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>>15611793
>>15611785
>the ending of the Zeta novels had Kamille commit suicide and Hathaway's Flash ended with Quess's ghost laughing at Hathaway before his execution
Jesus what. That's amazingly sad.

Picking your brains a bit. I read a bit more into Tower, and I feel like she's definitely a blend between several characters, but I can't figure out exactly who.

Tower is the "Last Number" of the ZKKM/Mirage Knights. Not entirely human, not entirely Fatima, can't really be called superhuman, but a "special" lifeform all the same.

She auto revives when she dies, has the abilities of a Knight/Headliner, and is the only person capable of autonomously controlling a GTM perfectly by herself. (The way that's put makes it sound like she's being compared to other knights, who needs a Fatima to do the job, even though technically some Fatimas with their Alicia Seperates are capable of autonomously controlling GTMs as shown in the chapter with Daccas.

There's a bit that goes on about how her existence poses the question of whether Fatimas should still be controlled by humans if they're superior to them, but that's been a question since a while back. A bit about the Apositress (the odd name that Nagano has for Songstress). Unfortunately it barely goes into any detail over the Zenoa Apter Bringer, other than tying it to the Kaiserin which was already known. Nagano teases that her "true form/purpose" will be explained later on (...might be in later 13/14 actually, I just got stuck obsessing over her page because of her really peculiar size/weight specs)

I can't bring to mind which characters she's taken over. Maximum? It's not Upandora because he still has his point on the timeline.

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>>15611216
>From a /jp/ perspective the FSS is an anomaly because it's one otaku gone so far that he's actually became successful with his fetish, and somehow he's actually married and doing well.

So pretty much every married person working in the anime industry?

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>>15611804
...Nevermind, they explained part of it. Tower was a Fatima created using the "Water of Life" (Same thing as in original FSS presumably) from a "Centry" (new name for Dragons presumably). Apparently she's created to fulfill a prophecy with the Kaiserin, hence why she gets to pilot the Zenoa Apter Bringer. One of these "Centry" plays a role later in destroying one of the planets iirc from the timeline. The Centries still have their "5 types"...so that matches up with the dragons.

There's an interesting aside about how Amaterasu's strongest GTM is given the name Knight of Centries Apterbringer, but doesn't describe much of it besides...which means even more GTMs which may not have tech specs.

>>15611825
>Amaterasu's strongest GTM is given the name Knight of Centries Apterbringer

So it's not KOG/Magnapalace?

>>15611831
That's the odd part that I can't seem to tie back in, because the line in the description for the Centries does clearly say that it was the name given to the strongest of Amaterasu's GTMs アマテラスの最強GTMの名にもなっている but nowhere else have I see Knight of Centries Apterbringer being mentioned up.

I have a feeling it might be intended to refer to the production line of the Apterbringers, since the Bringers themselves are a series, and the line that follows ties it to the official names of the B-series Mirages. The Magnapalace is a D series Mirage iirc. Maybe the "strongest" being used here is just in hyperbole? Or maybe I just haven't read far enough and they'll explain what the Knight of Centries is later. Pretty fucking sure he meant Centuries and not Centry but whatever Nagano.

>>15611868
This site might be useful for you:

http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~kakekomi/fss/dic_top.html

>>15611793
>Moononymous's usual trick was to either post truncated sources of the original interview and translate a line out of context, like with Nagano's opinion on Turn A, or say that he "owns" a piece of print material like the Turn A or Zeta novels or Hathaway's Flash and then post bullshit about them because no one else had access to them.

He also TL'd the Itano interview where he shits all over MacF, shitposting motherfucker.

>>15611877
Thanks! I'll take a look through and see, seems like they already took means to address how the reboot affected the lore, so maybe I'll get lucky and this wasn't just a passing mention from Nagano that never got brought up again.

>>15611908
...Fuck nevermind I spoke too soon. They recognized that with the reboot there was going to be substantial confusion over how parts of the lore had changed, but they haven't actually addressed post reboot. I saw their acknowledgement, got excited and just rushed in looking for some trace.

The information on here comes from mostly post reboot (They're still using old MH terminology and doesn't touch on GTMs, AFs, and the like. So in place of the Magnapalace they still have like six or seven entries on the Knight of Gold). Checking their source list down below it looks like they're missing the more recent DESIGNS (4 and 5) Thanks for the link anyways anon.

>>15611475
I hadn't actually heard of anything in this series before. Interesting to know. I had a feeling there was a reason I liked most of the designs in this thread, and I definitely liked the designs in Star Driver.

>>15611926
Damn, you would think after 5 years after the retcon they would have done some more work on getting up to date.

>>15611963
They might have just lost interest like many others. Nagano has that sort of "I'll retcon when I feel like it!" attitude from time to time anyways

>>15611806
Funny enough I never see anyone talk about Nagano on /jp/ anymore.

>>15612006
We don't talk about any anime much on /jp/ nowadays, it's mostly just touhou and the idol scene. The last couple times people tried anime there was too much elitist shit going on and not enough interest.

The old music threads are still good though, and some of their die hard generals like elona are still kicking.

>>15611926
Not the guy you're talking to but do you know how well Gothicmade was received by Nips?

>>15612024
I have no clue about the movie sales if that's what you're asking, but there are still fans that follow along with Nagano's ride. I don't think there was really the same hype for Gothicmade compared to say, the Digimon reboot movies.

>>15611804
>Tower is the "Last Number" of the ZKKM/Mirage Knights. Not entirely human, not entirely Fatima, can't really be called superhuman, but a "special" lifeform all the same.

Well Fatimas used to be genetically much closer to Super Empire Knights than Headdliners AND they got constantly optimized and improved while Headdliners just breed with whomever...

>>15612030
I meant in a critical sense

>>15612059
I have no clue. I only notice things like small communities discussing FSS here and there, and mostly I like doing translations because it helps me learn and improve, so I'll generally do translations of anything I can read, manga or not.

>>15612059
It's mixed to positive, from what I remember.

>>15612116
Why is it like oddly half translated?

10 - Which episode made you cry the most
1) Kaien's Death
2) Tai Gu and Christine's Romance
3) Clotho and the Junchoon's Activation Scene
4) Intercity's Death
5) Atropo's Chapters
6) When Auxo gets her memories back
7) Headdo? (I dunno her name) Magdal, at the scene where she's given her earrings
8) When Ballanche dies
9) The scene where Ulicle defends Colus the IIIrd
10) The scene where Amaterasu gave Rand open leave to join at Hautha

11-1) Bojasforth attacks Float Temple
11-2) Jagd Mirage arrives on the scene
11-3) Knight of Gold fires the Buster Launcher
11-5) AKD versus Sybil (Another name I'm missing) and Aisha shows up
11-6) First appearance of Christine V
11-7) Muse's resolve, the activation of the Haretsu no Ningyo was one of the MHs but I don't remember which one
11-9) Rand joins in with the folks at Hautha
11-10) Junchoon Awakens.

>>15612156
Because I'm lazy and didn't understand what parts meant

>>15612362
My bad. I thought there was some sort of special reason it was left out.
9 - Is there a particular scene you'd want to show up in?
9-1) The 44 Minute Miracle (I think the actual translation for this was different)
9-2) Knight of Gold's Buster Launcher Firing Scene
9-3) Intercity goes to eternal sleep
9-4) 3159, Invasion of Adler
9-5) The Last Episode
9-6) Screaming out AISHA-SAMA when they see the message flare. (I think this was in the AKD standoff when the Jagd gets deployed?)
9-7) Eat a meal with Meeth
9-8) Decors vs John
9-9) I want to be in the crowd when Ladios calls out for Lachesis to come to him.
9-10) Jagd Mirage's Landing to Combat Scene

That should be it for everything else that isn't the small text.
8-10) Headliner (I want to pilot a GTM)

>>15612116
I still find it hilarious how GTMs have dominated that whole "best designs" list.

>>15612432
Can the Float Temple even be considered a mech design like the rest.

At least my Jagd is still #4.

>>15612156
>>15612410
Thanks dude

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What did Anno and Kawamori ask Nagano about here?

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>>15612458
Oh and Ikuni too

>>15612458
Holy shit is Anno asking about Nagano's wife? Guess he planned to cuck her at some point too.

>>15612470
Nagano's wife voiced Jung in Gunbuster and Asuka's mother in Eva.

>>15612458
I am sad Nagano no longer releases art books or data books besides the Design books. Probably had more to do with Toys Press and not Nagano.

>>15612458
>>15612462
I have no problems admitting that I suck at translating Q&As because a lot of it has nuances that I completely miss and context that I have no clue about, so I'm not gonna try.
From a glance Anno's question is a joke prod at Nagano's family life that Maria basically goes "nope never happened"
Kawamori is asking if Nagano has a song that he would go full Basara over.
Ikuni has 2 questions one asking who Nagano would pick as wives if he could pick 3 wives from anywhere in the world. Second question comes off as a philosophical question that deals with Ikuni's interpretation of what MHs would stand for in real society. It's the second part of the question that I don't really understand, since Nagano's answer is basically "there's no eternal theme, it's not so much about being chosen (Ikuni tied MHs in to the notion of "choosing those with special talent"?), it's just about people with special talents that exist in all tiers of society".

Sorry I can't help, I suck when it comes to articles like this. For me it's completely different from reading things like newspapers or technical documents.

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>>15612561
Thanks anon, you gave a pretty good gist of it.

I really wish I knew who the other people in this Q&A were, like I think this is Izubuchi?

>>15612572
>出渕裕
Is Izubuchi, yeah

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>>15612614
You're probably not going to like this, but do you know the gist of what he's asking?

Poor guy never got to finish Rune Masquer.

>>15612572
In order from top to bottom.
Izubuchi Yutaka, (Rahxephon etc.)
Satou Gen (Goshogun, Galaxy 999, etc.)
Oda Masahiro (I think it's Oda Masahiro, but he's not famous enough that I can check how his name is actually pronounced. He's a "model critic" according to his title)

>>15612462
Top to bottom again.
Mikimoto Haruhiko
Ikuni (Kunihiko Ikuhara)
Yabuki Junko I think? (Her title ties her to Walt Disney but I dunno who she is otherwise)
Kijima Sario

>>15612458
SUEZEN is SUEZEN
Anno is Anno.
YUMI is the bassist of ACID LOVE
Kusakabe Takumi
Morikawa is Morikawa

>>15612624
Where the fuck are scans for that, even?

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>>15612640
in my computer as I toil away with the scanner

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>>15611806
The thing is that most first-gen Otaku like Nagano, Anno, Kawamori et al were extremely outgoing people. These are the guys who were ballsy enough to tie firecrackers and launch them from bikes, go around filming Tokyo in the middle of an earthquake, and animate an OVA using cellophane wrap. Simply comparing them to modern day hikki Otaku is a joke.

>>15612624
I know it's supposed to look cool but that must be the first manlet minotaur I've seen, mech or not. Seriously, it looks like he got mounted on a pony or something

>>15612667
I guess if the modern impression of an otaku is the hikikomori then these guys are fucking gods in comparison.

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>>15612667
>Simply comparing them to modern day hikki Otaku is a joke.

Blue Blazes was amazing.

>>15612684
These guys managed to make an exceptional career out of something they loved, which is more than one can say for most people on this planet in general.

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>>15612693
Anno is depressing. A guy who started out full of enthusiasm and willingnes to throw away everything to pursue his love of Toku and sci-fi no matter how much effort it took or how dumb it made him look, only to become the filthy money grubber he is today.

I suppose that is how it goes for most creative people who manage to find success.

>>15612645
I love you, anon.

>>15612667
Didn't Nagano get found by Tomino by playing guitar in full Char cosplay at a screening for the MSG movies?

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>>15612723
>Didn't Nagano get found by Tomino by playing guitar in full Char cosplay at a screening for the MSG movies?

Not just any screening, a historic event for anime known as the "Proclamation of the New Age of Animation" (ア ニ メ 新 世紀 宣言). With 15,000 people showing up it was considered the first wide Otaku gathering in the history of Japan. This was also the first televised Otaku event in the history of Japan and there number of viewers were historic by Japanese TV standards at the time.

Nagano didn't just play guitar on stage, him and Maria (cosplaying as Char and Lalah) read a famous speech that became known as the aforementioned proclamation.

In a way, it was this event in 1981 that basically kickstarted the 1st gen Otaku movement.

http://www.pluschan.com/index.php?/blog/16/entry-34-otaku-the-origin/

Still wish I had that pic of Nagano's Char playing the electric guitar though.

>>15611649
(shiiit.... I wonder if I'm included in this list of 5 people, since I asked for the raws a few months ago....)

Nagano's writing style, combined with my waned skill in Japanese, and me being a lazy bastard hold me back. Sorry.

What the hell is Nagano talking about in this?

http://pladress.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-111.html

Has Nagano ever actually explained why he got rid of the MHs?

>>15612759
>All that history
I didn't know any of it. Is Nagano /ourguy/?

Has there been an official English (probably German) version of 詩女 utame yet?

Poetess is the literal meaning, but it's a bit clunky.

>>15605278

I lost respect for Nagano when nagano lost respect for fans (if ever had) ... not following FSS anymore :(

>>15613155
>...
> :(

>>>/out/

>>15612875
>http://pladress.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-111.html

Seems like he's talking about how Japanese culture is being understated in its influence around the world, for better or worse.

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>>15613106
Documenteress/Apostlress (in the special case of the Delta Belune Manifestation). Uta in this case doesn't refer to poetry, even though the classical word might translate to poetry in English. It refers to the "legacy" that's established in the form of transferred history between each individual, since each Documenteress carries the memory and manifestations of their predecessors except for one I believe. (Mell)

Natrium Hunfd does this in Vol 13. when she confronts Christine over what she'll do in the face of the scheming politicians.

You can see Documenteress being used in Designs 4 for Nein, who was the first. Apostlress is used for Mell's bio a few pages down in the same document, as she's described as a 特別の詩女

>>15613720
I should comment that there's a very strong recurring theme of "history" and that "history being lost/potentially being lost" which kept getting brought up in various ways in chapter 13. From the Garlands worrying over Focuslight being lost permanently, the introduction of the Cyborgs waiting for Temple to complete the prophecy, to the "archives" of humanity in AD59hundredmillion-Infinity, protecting the documenteresses from Bojasforth, everything surrounds this idea of preserving the legacy.

>>15612718
Shin Godzilla tells me he still has the heart of an otaku, just that Evangelion is nothing but a money machine for him at this point.

>>15613720
Have you found volumes 11 and 12 yet?

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>>15612759
I want to be Nagano when I grow up.

>>15613813
Unfortunately nope. I got through reading 13. Probably will read 14 in a bit. The story parts of 13 were nice and crisp once I sort of worked out who was who again. Sopp showing up at the end was a nice hook for what'll presumably be in 14.

13 had some good info on the prophecy (Five Star Stories) and the Fatima/AF, but other than some tweaks to some characters (Like Bojasforth plays a more "direct" role, even though he's still pulling strings from behind the shadows, people mention him a lot more) and some of the stuff that's already in Designs 4 / 5 (The four types of Documenteress abilities, though we're not at the part where Nagano pulled out a Dune yet apparently). I think 14 was larger than 13 when I took a glance so it'll probably take me longer to read through it.

Designs 4/5 were great for matching up the characters though. I had no clue what Haird's name was supposed to be (or even who she was) until I read her bio.

>>15613836
I can imagine reading 11 and 12 being really jarring once you've familiarized yourself with the GTM stuff and then having to go back to the old terminology.

>>15613836
I thought I had them on my mediafire, but they're the Chinese scanlations. I'll dig around for the raws and upload them somewhere if I can find them.

>>15613840
Maybe, but from what I understand listening to other anons 11-12 is where the "transition" kicks in, and I'm sort of interested to see what happens there.

>>15613905
I don't mind Chinese actually. I read Chinese better than Japanese. Japanese would be nice so I get some practice, but Chinese works if you can't find the Japanese, either is appreciated.

>>15613908
>I don't mind Chinese actually. I read Chinese better than Japanese. Japanese would be nice so I get some practice, but Chinese works if you can't find the Japanese, either is appreciated.

Found this in the archive, I think it contains volumes 11 and 12 and some of 13:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/kyxov4ccczpjsim/anon-fss-pack.zip

>>15613922
Thanks anon I'll take a look and see.

>>15613155
>I lost respect for Nagano when nagano lost respect for fans (if ever had)

Yeah, how dare he try something new instead of rehashing the same shit over and over to pander to manchildren like all those Marvel movies.

>>15613836
>though we're not at the part where Nagano pulled out a Dune yet apparently

...Ballanche literally turned one of his daughters into a goddess so that she could marry their "mum" and the whole metaplot is about breeding stronger headdliners and Fatimas capable of waging an interdimensional war...

So we've been well beyond Dune for decades already.

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>>15614176
>breeding stronger headdliners and Fatimas capable of waging an interdimensional war

Not quite. At the very end of FSS when Lachesis and Amaterasu meet again, they merge into a single god named "Amaterasu Ookami", and then create their "daughter" Kallen like Adam and Eve. Then they abandon the Joker Universe and create a new one, the Taika Universe, from scratch. Kallen then gets sent to Taika and basically becomes the Jesus of FSS, which is why you see her in all the promotional material.

Ballanche's goal wasn't to create the ultimate warrior, it was to give birth to a literal God. Everything he did was for the creation of Kallen.

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>>15614191
And just for extra perspective, Kallen's design was based on Nagano's initial draft for Haman in Zeta. For whatever reason he considers her his greatest design.

The funniest thing is that time in the Taika Universe runs in the opposite direction of that of Joker, so Kallen occasionally pops up in the early chapters of FSS like that time after Lachesis gets assaulted by the ghosts of SATAN masquerading as KOG. The meta theory is that her character runs in the opposite direction of Nagano's aging career and back to the very beginning of it in his early days just starting out his career at Sunrise, which is how she came to be as a draft for Haman.

The absurdity of FSS and its meta aspects are beyond description.

>>15614176
The interdimensional war plotline has been mostly excised. No mention of the SATAN really, and the Centries aren't what humans fight against.

The Dune I was referring to was Hunfd's "betrayal" of the Documentereeses when she has Colus IIIrd's kid, thereby removing one of the four powers from the Documenteress line.

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>>15614219
I also forgot to mention, but the name of Kallen's Mortar Headd is literally "The Five Star Stories". Did you get Nagano's reference?

There, now everyone knows what Nagano has been planning for years.

As for the whole KOG cradle thing, KOG is a cradle and a coffin. It marks the marriage of Lachesis and Amaterasu and serves as the literal womb of Kallen's birth (hence the fertility symbols), but also symbolizes the end of humanity and Lachesis's innocence (the coffin). Death and rebirth all in one machine.

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>>15614191
> they merge into a single god named "Amaterasu Ookami",
I honestly don't remember that part, and I can't tell if it's because I wasn't paying attention or not. FSS is even fucking crazier than I remember.

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>>15614284
>I honestly don't remember that part

It happens in JC 7777 which we haven't seen in the manga. Amaterasu Ookami does show up in the beginning of vol 11 in a very meta way. Even though Lachesis's conscious merges with his, he still refers to her as separate person like he does with Sopp and Mel Rince.

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>>15614219
>Kallen's design was based on Nagano's initial draft for Haman in Zeta. For whatever reason he considers her his greatest design.

So does that mean Nagano considers Qubeley the pinnacle of his designs? Good taste.

>>15614243
>I also forgot to mention, but the name of Kallen's Mortar Headd is literally "The Five Star Stories".

I thought it was the MMT Venus? Speaking of which what does "MMT" even stand for?

http://www.gearsonline.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=366&p=2388&hilit=MMT#p2388

>>15614338
MMT's have never been really explained in depth and have most likely disappeared post retcon. Originally MMT Demon was supposed to be Kallen's machine but afterward it become URI's. MMT Venus is was said to be hers but we only see it get mentioend once. MMT's were not designed by Amaterasu so "The Five Star Stories" has yet to make an appearance as a design.

Who knows if Taika and MMTs even exist anymore after this retcon.

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>>15614412
forgot pic

>>15614243
Reboot changed this, Kallen's been given the Magnapalace, and the Five Star Stories belongs instead to the Flame Empress. I'm actually not sure what Kallen's new role is supposed to be, since Tower is the one that's supposed to fulfill the Five Star Stories Prophecy along with Kaiserin.

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>>15614412
Taika still exists, Kallen still goes there. But there's no other mention of it. I don't remember if Tower and Kaiserin make it there themselves. Pic attached is Tai Fon mentioning the Five Star Stories (Wu Xing Wu Yu) to the Flame Empress in the AD59hundredmillion-Infinity chapter.

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>>15614321
There's an AKD headliner that's basically Qubeley

>>15614425
Do the reboot volumes change the original text or something?

>>15614309
Yeah, that'd explain it. I haven't read Vol 11 yet, since I've been waiting for full translation.

>>15614425
How much has Reboot changed of the text, actually?

>>15614462
The timeline entries in Design 4 were what changed to reflect the new instance of events. I haven't finished reading 14, but I don't think there's any other flash forward episode aside from the Flame Empress/Tai Fon vision, and that has nothing to do with Kallen.

In Design 4 (post reboot) the timeline only marks one place for Kallen - and that's after her parents reunite on Fortune in 7777 far future. The Timeline only says "Kallen receives the Magnapalace and leaves for the Taika universe". URI never shows up which led others and myself to believe that Maximum's role was downgraded/retgonned, even though he himself still exists in the official directory.

I haven't seen Maximum mentioned in the reboot manga chapters so far.

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>>15614477
>URI never shows up which led others and myself to believe that Maximum's role was downgraded/retgonned, even though he himself still exists in the official directory.

Wow, so he really did get the Jhon Weinzel treatment.

>>15614483
Nagano needs to do another artbook like this except for GTM versions of events.

>>15614477
>The Timeline only says "Kallen receives the Magnapalace and leaves for the Taika universe".

Definitely a big change, considering she was literally born from the KOG's head in the original events.

>>15614470
The entirety of 13 is obsessed with Both. Everything hinges on Both as the linchpin in terms of the most important Fatima coming from there, the prophecy, the Documenteresses, and so forth.

The Centries were reduced to plot point in terms of the Waters of Life, and Haird has like 5 of them given to her since she was supposed to protect Magdal from Bojasforth (but 13 ends with them being separated and Magdal presumably being lost to slavers).

As already mentioned a lot of the terms were changed but their functions are still pretty much the same. There isn't as much of a stigma related to being a Fatima even though there are still laws that heavily restrict what they're supposed to be able to do. (Meeth's chapter in 13 discusses this since its revealed that Caligula Group has attained pseudoimmortality through Super Empire Cyborg tech)

Sopp's involvement in 14 starts off as being a "Slider" (GTM mechanic) rather than a "Garland" (GTM designer/manufacturer) and there's a sort of greater detail that's put into describing the state of the war between Vera/Bera and Buchtgma / Ba-Hatma. At this point it doesn't seem like Filmore is actually involved yet because they're busy with Documenteress shit and internal shit.

Outside of the one chapter with the Flame Empress (and that's implied to be the Documenteress's prediction ability) the story was surprisingly compact. Daccas led directly into Meeth, which tied in to the discussion about Tower, Tower led to the chapter about why Tower was necessary and who asked for her to be made, Promenade was a nice aside chapter which broke and gave way to the Filmore/Vera/Ba-Hatma scene (with Land, Haird, Sopp, Colus, Hunfd, Christine V, and so forth)

So all in all, a LOT of old cast reused, some plot points reused, some new ones introduced (Documenteress and the "new" FSS prophecy?), a bit more "focused" writing from Nagano instead of hopping everywhere.

Oh huh. Wandam Harrer shows up again in vol. 14, now a depressed hobo after Harper passed on.

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Anddd ok. The entirety of chapter 14 is literally a large scale battle in the same way as the battle with the first Jagd deployment, except this time it's a defensive battle with Ba-Hatma and allies invading Vera/Bera, and Sopp along with a dozen other guys showing up to turn the tide.

The FuchsReichweite (Mirage F2) gets its moment of glory when Ba-Hatma launches a surprise attack on the main camp as it apparently single handedly eliminates an entire attacking platoon. It seems that some Mirage series have something called the Active Weapon Reactor now which acts like an automatic i-field and absorbs beams.

The chapter is real nice in showing how large scale GTM battles have changed, with a very strong emphasis on electronic warfare and psychological tactics, with sword tactics left as the killing blow. Kyo disabling Reireixie with words was pretty funny. The chapter ends with LDI-20 finally coming to realize why the name Ladios Sopp has been passed down for 300 years (she initially assumed that Ladios Sopp is just a title of the famous Slider) as Ladios I guess pulls the Bradford card on her just as she's about to leave.

I dunno if the name Sweet Warner is supposed to be from a previous character, but I've never heard of the Caligula Group, (haven't finished reading 11/12). Interesting enough, LDI-20's page does link her in with the development of the Repeater Buster Launcher "Rapidia" (I can't tell if it's Rapidia or Rabidia because the maru and tenten are too small) Cannon - which is the key weapon on the Magnapalace.

...now to go through 11 and 12

>>15614754
Like active veil from FSS. Not an entirely new concept.

>>15614764
I guess? The only showing it has in vol. 14 was as an omnidirectional barrier that negated all damage. The appearance of the F2 basically ended the battle by itself, well, that and Kyo talking Reirei into submission.

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>>15614754
tfw kaien mecha hijacked

>>15614799
Too bad. He's DEADDDDDD.
It amuses me that Bradford and his wife have barely changed whereas Ikaruga and Sopp are even more feminine than before.

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I wanted to get into FSS after that dreamy OVA, but the walls of text in this thread are fucking terrifying and make me feel like not touching the manga anymore. Why couldn't it just be about a trap fucking bad dudes up with his boyfriend and waifu and golden pope robot?

I will buy that upcoming KOG kit and that is everything FSS I need.

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>>15614924
FSS is a difficult series to get into and honestly if I was in your position I would have the same feeling, but it's worth the effort. If you dig shit like Dune or Jodorowsky's Incalverse, it's worth getting into. The movie kinda lies about the tone of the rest of the manga though, honestly, but it's a pretty faithful adaptation of volume 1.

>>15614924
But you don't even need to touch the manga for FSS. FSS was a finished story before the first chapter of the manga, the manga just details what happens in between the beginning and the ending.

Even if you ignore the reboot entirely it's still complete.

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>>15614868
Honestly, I don't even like the GTM version of his mech that much but it's sad seeing it get fucked up along with the beautiful grunt GTMs at its side

>>15615063
I'm ambivalent to the design, though I REALLY like the facial close up on the Mirage F2. That eyepatch is just amazing, and the FuchsReichweite in general reminds me of the old Fire Empress MHs.

That said though the majority of the battle in vol.14 felt kind of disjointed. Like having Sopp and Lakky show up at the end of ch.13 I knew Aisha would come in with the cavalry eventually, and Bradford showing up was a nice nod at his origins, but then literally half the battle were people coming in to reinforce out of nowhere. It was like airdrop deus ex machina over and over again.

It was nice to see Harrer finally get back to being an AP Knight though. That and the scene with the AF Link network was nice.

>>15614966
>FSS was a finished story before the first chapter of the manga

Is that why it has had 4 retcons over the course of the past 30 years?

>>15615098
The funny thing is, with each retcon it still hasn't changed the beginning (Super Empire does wacky shit) and the ending (KoG goes to Taika). It's just details in between that keep shifting, and even with the current Reboot it doesn't seem like all of the earlier chapters that aren't chronologically dated past 3000-3100 have changed.

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>>15614965
>If you dig shit like Dune or Jodorowsky's Incalverse

Yeah I'll pass, I am a simple /m/an, not a space opera buff. Maybe if there is ever an anime adaptation I will look at it again.

>>15614966
I don't care about plots, but from the way you guys make it sound it is a complete clusterfuck with nothing to latch onto and anything worth latching onto disappearing thanks to dumb retcons and reboots and whatever the hell the author feels like at any given moment without warning. With no translations.

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>>15615138
>Maybe if there is ever an anime adaptation I will look at it again

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>>15615087
I like how Nagano kept the weird weaponry on this guy despite all the other GTMs having the same gunblade type weapon

>>15615170
Considering all the Majestic Stand characters that apparently pop up towards the end of that I doubt it's a good starting point.

>>15615198
Is there really a good starting point right now though?

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>>15615170
>never leaving theaters: the film

Gonna have to pass on that anon. Plus anything that has Ghibli-ish art is a turnoff for me.

Maybe I should just go watch Escaflowne, but I doubt that is going to have the same balls-to-the-walls style.

>>15615211
The first 4 volumes of FSS are pretty self contained and happen within the same time period.

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>>15615211
>Maybe I should just go watch Escaflowne, but I doubt that is going to have the same balls-to-the-walls style.

The feel of Escflowne is far more like the FSS film than the manga for sure. Very romantic and shoujo even if it does become a bit corny at times, but then again the same could be said about the FSS movie. Even has the same character designer and an equally killer classical soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpD9NT0jUZs

The Guymlefs aren't Mortar Headds, but they have their own style of extravagance.

>>15615063
In the bottom panel, is the GTM teleporting backwards away from the other GTM's sword?

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>>15615215
It's all or nothing, so no.

>>15615239
Escaflowne always looked and felt more like generic fantasy that happens to have robots rather than being the crazy 80s medieval future of FSS.

>>15615300
>Escaflowne always looked and felt more like generic fantasy that happens to have robots rather than being the crazy 80s medieval future of FSS.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, but I thought you wanted something that wasn't crazy like FSS?

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>>15615254
Remote controlled sideways drift. Lachesis pulls off a manual override to protect Narumi, because she's the dead center target of the entire Ba-Hatma Coalition Force. Even Narumi's own AF is in complete disbelief that given the magnetic field jamming and interference, Lachesis can still pull it off (she has no clue that it's Lachesis).

The ZKKM arrive shortly after.

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>>15615317
I like the art style and setting and the mecha and characters in the movie, and I don't want to see the damn thing getting retconned left and right and the focus shifting away every other chapter.

Is that easy enough to understand?

>>15615300
Can you have all or nothing on something that isn't finished? FSS is mostly self contained stories centering on different protagonists. It's not a typical mecha story.

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>>15615300
Wow, never noticed before but Lachesis has some rocking tits in the movie. Much larger than in the manga.

>>15615379
And tight pussy.

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>>15615379
They try to show off her naked body in a few short montages for some reason, probably for the sake of fanservice.

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So how did 11 and 12 go TL anon?

>>15615108
>The funny thing is, with each retcon it still hasn't changed the beginning (Super Empire does wacky shit)

Actually Super Empire never existed in the original timeline. That was another pre-Gothicmade retcon.

http://datenshisizer.free.fr/FSS/documents/fssguide.txt

>>15617241
After I went through 13/14 I haven't gone back to 11/12. Was there something specific you wanted for 11/12? (I can't clean or typeset for my life, so the chances of me doing a full translation is like nil)

>>15617497
>11 opens up with Amaterasu breaking the 4th wall and addressing Newtype readers.

YEAH NOPE

>>15617497
Nah, I just want to see if there's any plot/setting points that are elaborated upon or newly created and if the continuity still remains with those two volumes even after retcons.

>>15617619
I'll take a look and see? 11 opens with the Bojasforth attack on Hautha (and presumably Kaien's death) so it might still fit in, I dunno just yet. Got some other stuff I'm doing though so it'll take me some time to go through both vols.

>>15615354
So you're a retarded faggot. Ok. Don't read FSS, it's not for you.

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>>15617752

>>15617762
dumb frogposter

>>15617651
I believe that part was translate years ago. Like 65 pages or so were translated.

>>15617824
The entire 11 is basically the battle of Hathha where it culminates with Megumica and Douglas getting offed by Bojasforth pretty easily, then Magdal gets knocked into a Diver coma by Bojasforth, before Nein comes back and fucks Bojasforth over. At the same time Dai Gu and his Filmore Empire are invading, which ties is to another part of vol. 13. (Except vol 13 is the prequel and inserts the Documenteress aspect in, using Hunfd to act as a second motivation for Christine V - though in Vol 11 it's still pretty clear that Christine V is inexperienced as fuck)

But Nein can't do much besides that so Bojasforth ends up escaping despite not being able to absorb Magdal's power. This ties in to vol 13, but of course, the added elements of the GTM were inserted in. 13 pretty much uses the canon established by 11 for the most part.

>>15618061
>13 pretty much uses the canon established by 11 for the most part.

Good to hear that Nagano did not actually retcon the main story itself.

>>15614754
>The chapter is real nice in showing how large scale GTM battles have changed, with a very strong emphasis on electronic warfare and psychological tactics, with sword tactics left as the killing blow.

So it ties pretty closely with how anon described it >>15610253

>>15618892
12 mostly sets up for the transition into 13. Ballanche (Meeth) is effectively captured after Hathha falls, and Haird is on the run from Bojasforth's crooneys, but Rognar and Rand help her out (which leads into why Rand is travelling with Haird in vol. 13 and eventually why he's given extended leave)

Lachesis basically throws a temper tantrum causing Amaterasu to take action. Aisha reunites Palsuet and Jhon Weinzell. The stage is set for Hunfd to show up as people start moving towards Lann. On the Ba-Hatma side of things Kaien imposter gets caught pretty much immediately after he tries to pull off his wacky stunt. Caligula System gets namedropped, but not much else is introduced there outside of Filmore recognizing they need to get as many people as they can on their side in order to take full control over Both. The mental breakdown that Christine V had in vol 11 continues over to vol 12. Vol 12 marks the effective transition, given that the timeline included doesn't mention anything with the Documenteress and Gothicmade. Meyoyo's showing up ties into vol 13's Promenade afterwards. 12's Promenade is where Rognar explains why the Knight of Gold (and later the Magnapalace) ends up in Wascha's possession (with Hugtrang) later on, and that gets nodded to through vol. 13 and 14 and that's pretty much where it ends.

13 just basically uses all of the plotlines and drops the new terms and foundations right on top of it. I don't think the Auge/Junchoon fight when Arr was leaving got retconned, though in all likelihood it was just converted to GTM equivalents. The rest of the transitions were largely artwork/culture based so in that sense it's a retcon, even though the plot itself is intact. Some of the "far future" scenes and scenes involving the dragons change since Centries took over the dragons' role and some of the far future characters like URI no longer exist.

>>15618898
Anon is on the mark. Vol 14. is where most of the "new" style of action is.

>>15619417
>Jhon Weinzell

So who did they retcon him into?

>>15619421
They didn't, but there's a Fillmore character introduced in vol 13 named Norgan Siegbow who seems to have a lot of parallels to and looks exactly like him.

>>15619421
John Weinzell isn't retconned, so as far as I know he's still eventually going to become a Mirage pilot sort of.

But at the point in time in vol 12 through 14, he's still too young and needs training.

>>15619422
Wasn't Norgan Siegbow the Black Prince that's tied to Meyoyo?

>>15619438
Siegbow is the guy who talks to Wascha and Krakenbal in 13, but apparently has ties to Amaterasu himself and at some point in the future becomes Est's master, which may be a retcon on the identity of the 4th Black Knight.

At the end of Gothicmade (the film) he's shown as the Emperor of Fillmore with Est and Christine at his side.

>>15619445
Oh Krakenbal is the Black Prince then I take it? I didn't really pay that much attention to the Meyoyo/Promenade storylines.

I just want Jhon to get his happy ending with Palsuet dammit.

>>15619475
No, Siegbow is the Black Prince. It's his title in Designs 4 as well.

I heard the next arc of FSS is supposed to focus on him and Jhon. Maybe Nagano made them similar to each other for a reason.

>>15619480
I don't think Jhon was ever supposed to reunite with Est though. Even in the Vol.13 part with Meeth they mention how with the way her personality works, she has no memory of Jhon ever existing or their time together, because her memories of Decors overwrote that.

>>15619491
Well, the upcoming arc is called "Palsuet", Jhon's current Fatima, so it will be about him in some way. Which is why Apter Bringer was brought up in the last page of 14 as a kind of foreshadowing. But who knows other than Nagano.

>>15619495
Apter Bringer was the foreshadowing related to LDI-20 I think. I'm really hoping that Jhon doesn't get roped into the whole Apter Bringer affair since that seems to be basically the Upandla Raymu part. I still find it amusing how Upandla is basically a relic from L-Gaim

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>>15619512
Speaking of L-gaim

>>15619516
Hey Amandara was a cool guy before he went for the whole Amaterasu look.

>>15619512
Uplandu hasn't been retconed yet? Pretty strage considering how Nagano slowly cut FSS with all L-Gaim ties as time went by.

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>>15619512
>I'm really hoping that Jhon doesn't get roped into the whole Apter Bringer affair since that seems to be basically the Upandla Raymu part.

Actually the Uplandu part has no Apter Bringers/LED Mirages, because in his reign all the Mirage Knights had been rid of and he had his God Knights use KANs. Apter Brigner is the machine that Amaterasu and the AKD use to conquer the star cluster. And Jhon had been featured prominently in a lot of the older material as one of the most important Mirage Knights, like in pic related with his LED Mirage. The only question is whether like Maximum, his role has been downplayed.

>>15619999
Wasn't he supposed to use a Cross Mirage and not a LED Mirage?

>>15620026
Actually he was supposed to pilot the Terror Mirage in L-Gaim, which itself at the time was considered a LED Mirage variant (Ghast Temple) >>15614483. Cross Mirage doesn't play an active part in the AKD galaxy conquest, and I honestly don't remember any source other than Gears Online that says Jhon was supposed to pilot the Cross Mirage. Not to mention other AKD members pilot all Mirage series, like Aisha pilots a Cross, Terror, Flame, and LED Mirage.

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>>15619999
Nice get.

So does a KAN equivalent exist in post GTM? Was always one of my favorites.

>>15620127
Hasn't been mentioned so far. I think the last time I saw it was in exposition in vol 12

>>15620131
Does Lachesis still go to Berlin during WW2?

>>15621240
Yup. That part is unchanged on the timeline. She still shows up on Earth with the Magnapalace and takes part in the battle of Berlin (7343/1945)

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>>15619516
>No Lilith's FSS counterpart