Does /m/ like Western mecha?

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>>15255383

>>15255383
Northstar would be cute if her back wasn't so overdesigned and her limbs were simplified a bit.

The other mechs in Titanfall and 99.99% of western mecha designs can fuck off.

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I like good Western mecha.

>>15255383
>>15255417
>>15255634
Hello Scopedog, Lost Planet and Crystal Bowie

>>15255634
I don't understand how your picture is related to your post

>>15255634
This design would be better if it wasn't transparent.

>>15255662
"Western mecha"

>>15255716

>never played or watched Heavy GEar

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQdl5k3y0E

>>15255812
Nothing about that design is a western idea, every single detail is taken from VOTOMS and the old Assault Suit games, that is not a western design.

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>>15255812

to think that Katoki used HG later to make the Igel for heavy arms

>>15255880
>every single detail is taken from VOTOMS and the old Assault Suit games

That's literally ever western robot in existence if you remove the war of the world tripods and androids.

"western mecha design" is similar level of bullshit like anime art style when it's all just applying standard cartoon principles from Walt Disney's movies and is done all over the fucking world except in the US because US killed its art of animation in pursue of profits.

>>15255925
>That's literally ever western robot in existence if you remove the war of the world tripods and androids.

>Japs invented the hideous greebles on plagiarized battletech designs
>Japs Invented bayformers shit
>Japs invented Aaron Beck tryhard tacticool shit

You're wrong.

>"western mecha design" is similar level of bullshit like anime art style when it's all just applying standard cartoon principles from Walt Disney's movies

When will pretentious, contrarian faggots stop pushing the "EVRYTHING IS DA SAME" meme?

Scorch is cute

>>15255383 (OP)
I like them too

>>15255383
That's not a mech

>>15256012
>Japs invented the hideous greebles

Greeble was invented in Star Wars and Japanese were the first to use it in mech design after CG took over since the details were not practical for traditional animation but perfectly usable in CG.
Battletech never had any actual art and only added details a few years back.

>Japs Invented bayformers shit
No, that is on Koreans. Very western in origin.
World is not just the fucking US and Japan despite what your geography knowledge may lead you to believe.

>Japs invented Aaron Beck tryhard tacticool shit
That's not really a design. It's production concept art. You take and splice pictures and paint a bit over them.
It's not design. You don't need to attend an art school to know the difference.

>>15255383
/m/ loves to shit on western mecha threads

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why is /m/ filled with shitposters these days

Yes the west copied Japan in a few instances, we all know it and don't care, now shut up and post cool robots

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>>15256315
Bait threads deserve bait responses.
We like all robots and only retards really track down who made them.

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>>15256354

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>>15256362

Have to disagree. Even when humanoid or otherwise inspired by Japanese mecha styles, you can still tell it was made by an artist with western sensibilities (detail, faux realism). And really, western mecha don't tend to be brought up a lot unless it's the flavor of the month (like Pacific Rim or Titanfall). A dedicated thread is worthwhile.

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>>15256498

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>>15256506

obligatory walking tank

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>>15256513

>>15256513
>Autocannon
>Tank

Really made me think

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>>15256531

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>>15256419
I'll disagree on account of the fact that the only really popular robot IPs in the west are really anythig but doing that (Voltron, Transformers, Megas, Power Rangers, Iron Giant,...) but we'll have to simply agree to disagree.

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>>15256562

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>>15256567
Fair enough!

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>>15256573

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>>15256581

>>15256567
>Popular IPs represent all western mecha design

It doesn't work that way, just because a few popular franchises don't follow the norm doesn't erase the trends that infest most western mecha designs.

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>>15256587

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I find the whole
>Eastern mecha designers are clearly superior to western designers since western designers just make tanks with legs, whereas Japanese designers include the human element
is just the usual /m/ made up headcannon that trolls eventually picked up and ran with since it makes for easy fights.

It's unfair, not only to the west, but to the east as well. Japan has made tons of "tanks with legs" mechs. It's also strangely paradoxical to accuse the west of only making bland boring warmachines, AND to accuse them of ripping off japanese designs. So does that mean Dougram, and Macross Destroids are bland boring warmachines?

That said, I don't deny that most western mech designs are Japanese inspired, because they are. Most true western mecha design is spaceships, power armor, or little robots. Western giant robot design really wasn't a thing, unless they were specially homaging or referencing japanese designs. Of course battletech is a 'Ripoff' of Japanese mechs. It was originally licensed versions of Macross, Dougram, and Crusher joe which most people forget. Of course Megas is a ripoff of japanese designs. It's supposed to be. Pacific Rim, Symbionic Titan, Heavy Gear, all shows or games specifically referencing Japanese inspiration. Even Big Guy was stated by Miller and Darrow to be imagined as if AMERICA did their own giant robot. (It's even set in Japan and feature NOT-ASTROBOY in the comic)

Plus I also think it's stupid to conflate them all as
>Western Mecha design
as English design mecha clearly have their own aesthetics compared to French designed mecha, Russian designed mecha, American designed mecha, etc.

I'm probably wrong on all of this though, so I'm just going to dump.

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>>15256595

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>>15256602

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>>15256593
And you base that on... random Deviantart picturess done by a crapload of people you can't tell are from all over the world, be it South America, Asia, Russia, or wherever.
I'm going off real and popular stuff and the things you're describing are really damn rare among popular things.

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why not both

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>>15256614

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>>15256620

In terms of series, Western mecha has a few gems like Exo-Squad (though the creators admit it's a European theater take on Gundam), Big Guy & Rusty (Astro Boy homage with DC's S.T.R.I.P.E.), and The Bots Master (which is fun as fuck).

Not to mention sci-fi gems like Terminator 1 & 2, Short Circuit 1 & 2 (Syd Meads did the designs for Johnny 5 and would later do Turn-A Gundam's).

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Whoever is dumping random stuff pulled off of a "mech" query in google/Deviantart, please stop and put some actual effort into it.

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>>15256627

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>>15256633

i'm sorry if mechs made by western professional artists are not good enough for you.

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Titanfall has some pretty cool mechs

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>>15256645

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EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE

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>>15256650

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Infinity the game Nomads

>>15256655

Dreadnoughts are cute

In a derpy murdering kind of way

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Infinity The game Haqqislam

>>15256599
>It's also strangely paradoxical to accuse the west of only making bland boring warmachines, AND to accuse them of ripping off japanese designs.

>Battletech copies some of the more boring and clunky mecha designs from macros and dougram
>Covers them in overdesigned crap
>Includes lots of tank turret/plane cockpit on legs along side the ruined jap designs
>The tank turret/plane cockpit on legs shit gets popular and is repeated throughout most of western mecha design for decades
>Only recently have western mecha designs moved away from that shit, only to go for Aaron Beck shit, because western mecha designers tend to be overly obsessed with realism without knowing the first thing about it

It's not paradoxical at all, they used to make greebled versions of Japanese designs, started making original GRITTY REALISMS do not steal, and the ones that aren't obsessed with faux realism are mostly heavily Japanese inspired.

Good western mecha designs that aren't clearly and heavily inspired by jap designs are few and far between.

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>>15256656

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Jotum

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>>15256664
>>15256670
>>15256685
Ariadna is the only GOOD faction

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>>15256681

god I fucking hate that artist. Some decent stuff but always covered in either half naked anime chicks or ponies.

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Seraph

>>15256671
Speaking as a proud American, I have to agree with this. A large part of our history of mecha fiction derives from Japanese interpretations. Even RoboCop was inspired by Space Sheriff Gavan.

I mean, it's not like we're lacking in innovation, but Japanese really embrace mecha. Gigantic Formula did an interesting take on how other nations would design mecha.

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>>15256633
I'm trying to limit myself to IPs. But a mech is a mech.

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I love how sleek the Retribution warjacks are. Kinda reminds me of Dunbine.

>>15256648
Shame the only thing you can do with them is swap paint jobs

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>every "mech" that isn't a ripoff of a nip design is a headless, stumpy-legged hunchback

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>>15256330

Pretty good thread, lot of cool art in here. Thanks for being relatively nice to a newcomer who likes more "western" style.

>>15256567
Hold up did you just downplay the popularity of Battletech?

>>15255662
You know what, I like this If you're gonna rip something off, VOTOMS is an excellend thing to rip off. I'd play this game

>>15258457
>popularity of Battletech

What popularity?
Dude, I'm a Battletechfag myself. The franchise is extremely niche in the genre, let alone compared to the gargantuans like Voltron, Transformers, Power Rangers, or even smaller stuff like Iron Giant (the number of people who saw it could easily sextuple the amount of all Battletech fans out there nowadays).

Mecha only got good once the West took the from Japan

japanese mecha are shit.

>>15255383

I wonder when the District 9/Keloid ripoff phase will end.

Which is really just a MGS4 Gekko ripoff phase.

>>15256836


SO op that he alone can rape everyone in this thread with a spit

What makes a good design?

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>>15258833
Being Japanese, apparently.

For example, the Catapult is a fantastic design, but /m/ will go REEEEEE regardless of the fact that it embodies a lot of the design principles they claim to like.

This board is more understandable once you realize most people here just want an imaginary power trip and that most "mecha" are actually magical superheroes with maybe some pistons or a gear pasted on.

>>15258864

keep an eye that almost everyone, including myself are tomino and gundamfags

Though i have no problems with Btech designs, since i fucking love the Devastator and Uziel designs

>http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Devastator

>>15258864
>most people here

Most people here aren't for mecha. They are here to shitpost and troll. Why do you think image dumps are slow as hell, but we get 5
>Zeta sucks
threads a day?

People troll western mecha because some dumbass pushed a
>not /m/ cuz it's not Japanese
meme five years ago, and all the retards thought that was acceptable behavior.

>In b4, there is no such thing as trolling, and you just cant handle other opinions, cuz this is totally normal behavior.

Do all the Warhammer 40k mecha not count? Granted, 40k could have its own thread, but it is Western, or European, I suppose.

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>>15259088
Titans are dope. I don't have much art of them though. Also I remember some of the really old 40K mechs being pretty cool.

>>15255812
...do you know how long I have been looking for what that show was?

your are the best

>>15255812
Huh, never knew Heavy Gear had an animated series.

>>15259252
Sadly it focuses on the arena battling and not the war, so it's kind of hokey and stupid. It's always the same two teams fighting each other, with the evil team cheating EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

It's okay for what it is but the formula got old quick.

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>>15257123
Maybe the third installment will have Armored Core tier customization

>>15258457
>popularity
>Battletech
Anon please..

>>15259476

the series was sheduled to end with the Tournaments not working and the Declaration of War

but it got canceled before it went in

>>15259530
>using memes

>>>/v/ get out before i call your mother

>>15258864
>>15258914
>go to 4Chan. A place with it's roots in Jap culture
>literally 2Chan U.S. ver
>Why you guise not like western mech??
Because they're generally garbage. Now fuck off back to the FASA forums where you and TmberwulfRULZ31 and the two members can debate the finer pounts of mounting garbage can on a pair of chicken legs.

>>15259525
Too in-depth for casual gamers.

>>15259572
Getting mad won't make Battletech relevant, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxByK66o7ls
Never ever

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>>15259581
>abloo bloo bloo how come erry1 don't fetishize gurren lagan and ge-ass like me

>>15259581
>TmberwulfRULZ31
TOP KEK

>>15259596
what exactly is the point of this video?

>>15259604
>autistic screeching

>>15259604
>gurren lagann and code geass are the only chinese robot cartoons in existence
Western shitbot fans display their ignorance once again.

>>15259612
That Btech will never have the cultural or Global impact, ever. Cheer up though, atleast Btech has those pewter miniatures.

>>15259612
>too autistic to realize that people give enough of a shit about Gundam to construct a 1 to 1 replica.

>>15259641
>>15259629
I mean, I could make an Atlas and put it in my front yard. So it doesn't really show anything.

>>15259627
Nah, I just prefer stuff like Patlabor and VOTOMs to magical "mecha"

>>15259659
>everything that isn't a trashcan on chicken legs with a top speed of 0.03 miles per hour is "magical"
I bet you only know of those two shows as the things that were ripped off in the creation of Btech and that you've never sat down and watched either of them.

>>15259674
Actually I got into BT because I watched them and when I found it later I liked the aesthetic.

>he doesn't know BT mechs move hundred of kilometers an hour and most have full range of motion for whatever limbs they have

Any show where one of your mecha wears a cape is automatically in the category I'm talking about of stupid magical mecha shit.

>>15259708
>Any show where one of your mecha wears a cape is automatically fucking awesome
Fixed.

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>>15255383
Titans arn't /m/ and need to be purged, straight from the horses mouth.

Look at this shit, LOOK AT IT

Western Mecha like Heavy Gear is good, but Titanfall must be REMOVED REMOVED REMOVED.

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>>15259735
No capes

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>>15259756
fuk u

>>15259756
Wouldn't most of the fails she bitched about with that montage could been resolved if you had designed them to easily detach when stuck right? That way the cape lovers could eat their cake and keep it too.

Was Edna Mode actually a SHIT designer?

Oscars day and the janitors decided to shitpost on >>>/pol/ while >>>/v/ and >>>/a/ decided to shitpost here and on >>>/tg/ + >>>/vg/


how i miss the days when M00t was here and no janitor was a lazy bitch

>>15255383
thats not a mech, its a "metch"

>>15259525
Well they had at least a level of customization in the first that would've been great to expand upon, but no, they decided that changing loadouts was too "chaotic" for a mech game.
So now we just have a bunch of different mechs that will get balanced every other week.

>>15259743
This is cringy as fucking shit, but titanfall 2 has embraced it's /m/ roots. Single player campaign is basically a gundam anime with time travel and aliens.

>>15258864
>regardless of the fact that it embodies a lot of the design principles they claim to like.

If you think that piece of shit embodies them, you have no idea what the design principles we like from jap mecha are.

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I came to this thread expecting a letdown and I wasn't disappointed. This is coming from someone who gave up on the "east vs. west" thing.

>>15258864
>chicken legged plane cockpit with boxes on it
>>>""fantastic""

Yeah, totally.

>>15260250
>what the design principles we like from jap mecha are

Elaborate. After that guy posted I asked what they were but nobody answered.

>>15260328
You have objectively bad taste if you don't like the Catapult

>>15258864
>embodies a lot of the design principles they claim to like.
Like fucking what?

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>japanese mecha posted on /m/ is mostly professional work from animation or games where they're setpieces in stories that have content (proof of existence, not "deepness", they're mostly not just fluff or setting notes) and have been conceptualized to be in motion and actualized by other professionals
>western mecha posted on /m/ is atmospheric internet age art posted from various art sites of battletech wannabes or is actually battletech and very little of it is from a complete, coherent setting like uc gundam or macross where it's designed to be more than just a single picture of look at this robot
Hmm!
Really makes you think!

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Why does /m/ hate mechs that arent huminoid?

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>>15260458
>said nobody

Speaking for myself, but I hate greeblefests and messes like >>15260462.

>>15260458
>>15260462
What is even the point of arms that don't bend?

>>15256648
Ronin is FLAT.

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The arms do in fact bend, but only enough to get the guns on things that are in front of it and a little to the sides.

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>>15260469
> I hate greeblefests and messes like >>15260462
I dont think that word means what you think it means

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>>15260488
You saw that "and messes" part, right? Yeah.

What you posted before, what you posted now, those are messes. There is no point to the level of beveling and panel lining on that robot in the first image. The second similarly is pretty nasty looking IMO. Not too hard, yes?

>>15260484
>but only enough to get the guns on things that are in front of it and a little to the sides
A simple turret mount would do that much better.

>>15260433
What's the matter, don't like the taste of your own shit?

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>>15260347
From the last filthy gaijin mecha thread.

The only western artists I can immediately think of who do a great job of hitting these points when designing robots are Syd Mead, Ashley Wood, and the guy who designed The Iron Giant.

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>>15260525
But if you dont have lower arm actuators you take a penalty on standing and grapple checks, like this Locust LCT-1V. Although you can rotate your arms backwards to fire behind you, which is nice

>>15260472
more guns looks like

Johnny 5 is the strongest in western mecha canon

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>>15260548
I can only vaguely remember most Gundams and they all blend together, whereas I, a person not overly familiar with Battletech, can instantly identify anything that was in the videogames and a bunch of stuff from the table. That's the only western mecha franchise I know of that has a large stable of original designs (and I'm talking original, not the stuff they licensed).

Take this Crab, for example.

>>15260581
>I can only vaguely remember most Gundams
The fact that you said "Gundams" and not "mobile suits" tells me you've never seen a second of a Gundam show.

I hope that's not one of the "original" designs because that is very obviously a fucking glaug with claws.

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>people who imply battletech doesnt have any good designs
I came here to kek at you

>>15260581
At what level does it evolve into the King Crab

>>15260602
>perpetually ninety degree elbows
>yet another greeble overload
I hope that's not your idea of a good design.

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>>15260601
no this is a glaug

>>15260608
And the crab is very obviously derivative of that, QED, also a glaug.

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>>15260458
We don't.
We just hate bad designs.
Rex is less human than even most western chicken walkers yet it looks great.

When will the cancer that is battletech shit be banned from this board?

>>15260458
Because it has all the disadvantages of a mecha and none of the advantages of a tank

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お前達の話を説明するとイギリスのスマホゲームみたいになるんだやってる事はあまり変わらないが、映画化して見るには色々足りないらしい

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>>15260604
First off, you can visibly see the elbow actuators. Secondly THIS is what excessive greeble looks like. I'm sorry that anything that isnt made up of perfectly smooth, uniform surfaces upsets your autism so

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>>15260638
>but this other thing not relevant to the conversation is worse!
Crap being better than shit doesn't make it as good as steak. Very few japanese robots have perfectly smooth surfaces, so shove your strawman up your ass. Even then, relatively smooth surfaces are more realistic than your panel line pornography. All the details on this tank come from accessories added on top of the armor. The machine itself, without things like reactive armor plates and whatnot, is very smooth.

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>>15260638
Wow, look at all those prominent panel lines on this F-22!

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>>15260638
Damn! This thing is a patchwork quilt of panel lines! Oh wait, no it isn't.

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>>15260638
Smooth surfaces? What is this animu bullshit? Hold up. It's real? Uh...

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>>15260638
A small number of large panels? What is this, a chinese cartoon?

>>15260665
Yes, paved surfaces are generally very smooth.

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Don't forget how these rules also apply to "industrial" machinery of all kinds.

Generally speaking, machines meant to be used safely, easily, and be protected from the elements are relatively "clean" looking. This applies to many consumer goods as well.

>>15259743
Oh look it's this retard again, trying to prove a non-existant point with his stale old picture of some PR fuck up.
It's 2017 already, the second game is out for fuck's sake

>>15260676
I'm not that guy, but I have to agree with him.

It's not the kind of blunder you let live down. It is too stupid. You bring it up again and again precisely because of how stupid it is. That's it. Who cares if it was done just once? Once is enough; turn your back on them. Also, "existant" is not a word.

>>15260682
just becouse some idiet poblishd a sdubid statemant dosn't make it fakt

That intervew/artikle or what ever was indeed worth noting, but becorse it was a fuck up it cant be used es evidance to represant the game or it's titans.

>>15260729
Who said anything about facts? That the statement exists alone is enough.
If dudes talk shit and people remember it, it is what it is, and in this case it's "not /m/".

>>15260729
Is English not your first language or are you just retarded?

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>>15260774
>>15260682
The second game came out fine and dandy. Isn't that enough to absolve their past sins?

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>>15260804
Second game isn't bad, but-
>Titans are still rather overdesigned
>Almost everything besides titans looks like shit
>Overly short time-to-kill makes the multiplayer way worse than it should've been, the movement system could've been more important to gitting gud than twitch shooting if players didn't die from two bullets
>Northstar doesn't have hitscan, despite using a FUCKING RAILGUN
>No bot matches for a game released on platforms with multiplayer subscription fees

They still have a lot to improve on.
I hope it manages to get another sequel and the devs do a better job.

>>15260846
>Limbs held together by nothing but tiny hydraulics

It looks like it'd fall apart if I sneezed on it.

>>15260801
Don't bully him, he was trying to take this piss out for me pointing out "existant" shouldn't exist.

>>15260804
It's no sin, it's just really fuckin' silly. I'll always laugh at it, anyways, and similarly, it will quite likely always be shitposting material. No matter how much time passes, it will always be there, much like any embarrassing personal memory.

>>15260801
yeah mane like why wuold there bee so meny mispeled words that cant be reel its almost like it were's dun on purperse

>>15260858
He's kinda right though; pretending to be retarded doesn't do you favors, it just makes you look retarded.

>>15260843
>Titans are still rather overdesigned
Besides being full of LEDs and greeble on their backs it can't be that bad

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>>15260868
They're too much of a visual clusterfuck, they'd benefit greatly from a bit of simplification and more armor covering things, pic related is one obvious example.

Northstar and Scorch are the best designs, I love how Northstar is just a ball with spindly limbs hanging off it, if there wasn't so much greeble she'd have a genuinely fantastic mecha design.

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>>15260854
Perhaps.

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Okay enough bitching about east vs west, you can like both. Post westeren designs you like and WHY you like them

I love this beast.
When you see an ATAT, you recognize that big motherfucker immediately, because it has a very distinct shape. It doesn't have too many pointless details. Just a couple of panels here and there. It's physically imposing because it's huge and chunky. It also says something about the Empire. It communicates to us that the empire is big and wealthy and unstoppable in its march if you attack it head on.

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>>15260940
Unlike a lot of what followed Star Wars actually knew how to do greebles.

It adds detail to things that should be mind bending complicated with loads of different systems, like a huge space ship, but not in a way that it fucks up the silhouette. A relatively simple machine where all its functions are pretty obvious, like the AT-AT walker, is kept with a much simpler texture.

>>15255383
Western mecha fans gettin' meme'd hard in this thread.

>>15261212
Seems to me it's just the usual image dumps, with Ken-san level shitposting between the images that we get in literally every western /m/ thread.

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Does this count?

>>15256444
getting the Leynos vibes

>>15260615
Gee, Anon, it's almost as if someone likes something you don't. Obviously, this is a sin against all things good in this world and they must be purged for disagreeing with you.

>>15258724
Mecha only got good once Japan took them from The west

FTFY

>>15255662
That's Fear Dumbbell (fuiadanberu) from the Hobby Japan 80's VOTOMS side story Blue Knight.

>>15260665
They once said PS1 games would look like real life someday.
That didn't happen so we made real life look like PS1 games instead.