The OYW ground-war

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>>14596612
>Now contrast this to the 08th, which makes the ground war seem just as important as the war in space.

08th was the war seen from a foxhole.

To the individual soldier, the field of battle in line of sight from his foxhole is the most important part of the war, no matter what the historians after the war is over will say.

>>14596618
It made a hell of a story, that's for sure.

08th is my favorite series.

It was important, but not as much as the space war since that's where most of the important locations for each army were. Ground War was important because the Earth had a lot of resources, for example M'Quve said what they mined was enough to keep Zeon going for another ten years, many Earth Federation soldiers probably signed up to protect Earth from Zeon so losing the Earth would cause a considerable drop in morale to those soldiers and weapons were being developed on Earth such as the Apsalus.

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>>14596850
>08th is my favorite series.

I think 08th team is bad.

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I actually like a lot of the Ground Type suits, ez8 is my favourite Feddie suit from OYW and the Gouf (custom and regular) kick ass as well

>>14597176
Surprise, surprise.

>>14596612
>Zeon occupied some shit parts of the plane

wasn't it like half the planet?

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>>14598682
yeah, but not the worthwhile parts, like Somalia, Siberia, Venezuela... Y'know, the classy half of Earth.

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>>14598808

>>14598816
See?! Who cares if Zeon conquered Vegas?

>>14598808
I could have sworn they only controlled Asia and the USA

>>14598919
Before the incident at Side 7, they had complete control over Eastern Europe, much of Asia, All of Africa, all of North America and much of the northern section of Australia.

With that said, Zeon's actual supply lines were utterly spread to the thinnest possible, leading to certain sectors like Australia and Asia being somewhat easier to retake than the others.

>>14596612

It honestly depends on which Earth Based theater.

Areas like Odessa and North America were absolutely vital to retake. Odessa for the resources and it's proximity to all of the other minor supply points for Zeon across Earth, and North America due it being so close to Jaburo compared to other areas.

8th MS Team's theater would have just been another skirmish zone for the Federation and Zeon in a generally strategically useless area had it not been for the super weapon Appsalus being developed in the area. Same goes for the Australian theater which was not exactly vital, but the introduction to a doomsday weapon like the Astaroth virus made it into a much more important to focus on later in the conflict.

>>14596612
It's the most important part of the war, as soon as the feds took Odessa it was essentially over.

>>14596612
Considering that the feddies won it with Type 61 spam, the zeeks really fucked up somewhere.

Now, the air war was pretty hilarious.
>zeeks bring a dogfighter to modern air combat
>get BOUNCED to death

And the sea war was pretty much
>zeeks develop yet another aquatic suit
>feddies ignore the ocean

>>14598808
Is Australia considered occupied by zeeks if there's barely anything left to occupy?

>>14599181
>zeeks bring a dogfighter to modern air combat
>get BOUNCED to death
I'm intrigued about this.

>>14599181
The dopp fighter is just retarded, there's no real way to justify how bad it is compared to the fly mantha or any other fighter/bomber the federation had.

>>14598808
>new zealand left untouched
Stealth mode. Irrelevancy is the best defense.

>>14599223
Federation atmospheric fighters had better speed, acceleration, and climb rate. So they climb above the Dopps, then just dive to gain speed, make a high-speed attack pass against the Dopps, and pull up to gain altitude again. And repeat. And repeat. And if the Dopps try for a head-on engagement, the feddies just pull up and make another run.

The Dopps are fucked and can't fight back. It's like the WWII carrier air war, but the US starts with the F6F and the better pilots (It's hard to practice ACM when you can only fly inside tin cans in space)

>>14599231
I think it's an attack aircraft forced into the role of fighter.

It's like trying to dogfight F-15s in a Su-25, it's not gonna end well at all.

>>14598808
ICELAND STRONK

>>14598808
>occupied Japan.
Curious there are no OYW side stories in Japan. Not even a manga.

>>14599231
The Dopp fighter is bad because Zeon cannot into conventional warfare, its why their planes are shittier than the Federations and why their 'tank' is a gigantic monstrosity with MS-scale long range rifle that doubles as an escape plane

They have no experience with conventional weapons which they consider much less important than MOBILE SUITSSSSSS and their vague attempts to create units towards that end are faulty.

>>14600404

I could have sworn there was some kind of LN about the fight to keep Zeon out of Hokkaido

Or maybe I'm misremembering some fanfiction

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>>14600413
but Zeon does have a normal tank

>>14600491
Hardly.

They had a single prototype of a ground-based artillery MA that never saw mass-production, and was still absolutely massive compared to the actual tank fielded by the Federation.

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>>14600499
Actually they did, just not what he posted. The Magella Ein.

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>>14600588

And against the t61 the Eins were outgunned.

>>14598808

Alaska Stronk

What happened to Earth's armies after the Federation was formed?

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Federation had the most aesthetic dakka rifle

1/2

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>>14600696

2/2

dat tonk

>>14596612
I'd say it was pretty important.

The whole point was to make sure Zeon didn't become to entrenched and gather more supplies/resource lines.

If anything the space part of the war wasn't really as important. Zeon was basically boned the second it lost access to Earth's resources.

>>14600756
Nah, M'Quve secured a shitton of resources already. The quote goes something like "Zeon can fight for another ten years" with that much stuff stockpiled.. and they kind of do. It explains how subsequent remnant groups are always able to thrive and develop the latest weapons technology, or just buy it from AE. They're all feeding off that buried Zeon treasure.

I don't think Zeon ever had the manpower, industry, or endurance to win the OYW as it dragged out. They knew it too, which was the reason why they had so many plans in place to try and destroy Jaburo, and why the first few months of the war leading up to the Antarctic treaty (set entirely in space) consisted of Zeon going all out with WMDs and a colony drop to try and blitz the Federation into a quick capitulation.

>>14596612
By the end of 08th, isn't it just some crazy Zeon commander terrorizing the area with his BFG Mobile Armor?

>>14600788
The initial Earth Drops made strategical sense. Odessa was for resources and North America was for it's proximity to Jaburo base. Had Zeon focused all of it's resources onto getting scout forces into South America to find Jaburo instead of hitting many non-vital sectors like China and Africa as a whole.

China was a killing floor for Zeon once the initial V project prototypes were deployed to aid in the retaking, and Africa was a political nightmare with trying to get supplies later in the war, along with the many muslim factions wandering around and attacking both Zeon and the Federation.

>>14600803
Where do you guys get all this extra information?

It's fascinating.

>>14600920
This is a pretty good source for info that's in the entertainment bibles and shit
http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/

>>14600920

Many diffrent manga and games.

Gihrens Greed and many other Side Stories delve more into all the major fronts.

China was the last sector to be captured by Zeon prior to the Federation counter offensive, and was weakened by both conventional military and squads of Guntanks and Guncannon supports.

Africa had been shown in numerous sources such as Gundam Legacy and a few others. The story behind the wandering Muslim Zeon factions however, I don't have an actual source for it.

Basically that whole story is that when Zeon landed into Africa, they had access to the resources at Odessa, but still had many tribal and lower-class factions gunning for them for food and resources. It got to the point where Zeon deployed a Zeon commander by the name of Rommel to talk to the Muslims across Africa and convinced them to work alongside Zeon under the idea of them being given protection and resources to survive with. Over time, Rommel would have his own spacenoid unit work in conjunction with the African recruits and by the time of Odessa, had a loyal force of non-spacenoids who would die for Zeon. After Rommels spacenoid comrades died at Odessa, he was ordered to not return to the major supply bases at Africa and instead keep the Muslim and African forces under control. He would continue to fight with them until the final days of the One Year War in obsolete tech and generally untrained soldiers. By the final days of the war, he finally got a resupply of mobile suits, but no troops to pilot them. He was also informed it was his duty to remain Earthside and keep fighting until Zeon would return for him. Understanding his current unit was to small to use all of the supplies left for them, Rommel enlisted a savage tribe of Africans that would eventually reform into the Blue Unit in ZZ. Working in conjunction with them, they were able to fight off the Federation in Africa and became a stable power base in the continent.

The mistake the Zeon made was not creating collaborators. You want to occupy a whole planet for the long haul, you need support.

>>14600920
In the end however, this alliance between Rommel and the Blue Unit would fall apart due to a misunderstanding about religion. Due to Rommel trying to identify with his men, he had began to study Islam and used it as a way to identify himself with his comrades. During a conversation with Blue Unit's commander, Rommel was not aware of the two diffrent sects of Islam and identified himself as a Sunni Muslim, to which Blue Unit was dominated by Shia Muslims. While Rommel was resting, Blue units began to slaughter Rommels unit while they slept, and the two different Muslim Zeon faction would enter into a violent conflict of desert hit-and-run warfare. Unable to unify together, Africa would lose its unity and Rommel would be trapped in the heart of the Africa with only the survivors of the men he trained in Africa and their familys.

Using the resources Rommel gave them, Blue Unit would rage a war of genocide against all Caucasians in Africa and anyone who would align with them. While not highly active during the Delaz Fleet conflict and Grpys war, they were responsible for many of the deaths of the Neo Zeon war.

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>>14600961
>Even in the Universal Century ISIS is a major problem

>>14600404
In the anime it's implied Amuro's home is in asia, so probably Japan. They only go there after they start crossing the Pacific a few episodes earlier.

>>14600744
If zeon had completed the colony laser they could have turned the war into a total stalemate. The war had to be pursued into space before the Earth lost momentum.

>>14601016
The movies switch the order around and the White Base doesn't start crossing the Pacific until after leaving Amuro's hometown.

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>>14600803
>along with the many muslim factions wandering around and attacking both Zeon and the Federation.
Fucking kek, source on any of this?

>>14601056
The movies aren't canon.

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>>14596618
>that AR collapsible stock

>>14601272
Outside of mentions from the ZZ novelization and Gundam Legacy in the chapters with Desert Rommel and Midnight Fenrirs leader, Garret Smitzer, I remember reading over a good majority of this information from a conversation about Islam Zeon from the Unicorn Novelization and how they tied back into earlier entires of UC, but currently lack a definitive source. Apparently ZZ's novelization got much more into it than the anime however.

>>14598808
what is this map from?

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>>14601447
>Stock and a silencer on a beam rifle
why?

>>14601604
MS Igloo, it was a chart showing the proposed expansion of Zeon within a period of two months from landing in March. The expansion ended up being much slower due to geopolitical issues and supply line problems.

>>14598808
i wonder what it was like to lose major US cities like that.

then again, all the feds had in the early parts of the war were still vehicle based weapons, no MS yet.

what was the inbetween years like, when there were no wars going on. i'd love to find out more of the zeon surviving between 0079 and 0083 and even all the way into 0096 during Unicorn

>>14600584
i would kill to have this stuff in english
i love all the technical manual shit

>>14601610
Stability and accuracy?

>>14598808
Fuck yeah, Portugal.

I'm not even Portuguese, I just really like their bread. I'm an asian living in SoCal.

>>14598816
>Zeon Graffiti on the statue of liberty
FFS you can't have anything nice anymore

>>14602665
They barely took over much of Spain either, they just went straight for Madrid.

>>14602678
The worst part is American's would be all for their war for independence.

>>14599330
But didn`t MS totally rape any sort of planes to death?

>>14602692
Nope, they were mostly untouchable, same with MS. Pilots could do strafing runs on MS but having to visually aim at those speeds means they usually miss and same with MS trying to shoot them down.

>>14602700
Then why do I see aircraft get btfo left and right in all Gundam animes ever?

>>14602739
Because a pilot that can actually shoot them down is really good?

>>14602687
Yeah, that spirit left us a long time ago. It's all about imperialism disguised as democracy these days.

>>14602747
So you`re saying most pilots on the shows,not only aces,but grunts are really good pilots?

>>14601016
I thought it was implied he was born somewhere in Canada?

>>14601306
>The movies aren't canon.

kek

>>14596612
>How important was the groundwar?

pretty important since the Zabis were trying to conquer the planet

but their blitzkrieg stopped to a halt because of a lack of supplies and manpower which led to a stalemate until months later when the Feds got their shit together

>>14602687
>being for space nazis

I'm sure even in 0079 hollywood still churns out WW2 movies.

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>>14601610
I just saw that. Gross

>>14602751
It pretty much left them after their own war of independence.

>>14600404
honestly it's surprising how consistently Japan has been more or less irrelevant in Gundam as a franchise entirely

>>14602864

you would be surprised at the support the Third Reich received from America

>>14602687
Up until Zeon went full retard, sure.

And once they actually LANDED in America?

Every.

Fucking.

Blade.

>>14601610
Do Beam Rifles have recoil?

>>14602961
not that i've ever noticed
its just a straight up shot, no recoil

>>14601616
But do they confirm they completed the planed expansion, even if it was slower than expected?

>>14602961
Yes, of course they do. It's not a fucking laser.

They just forget to animate it half the time

>>14603019
No, that map is zeonic propaganda

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>>14602932
Well, up until Pearl Harbor and they declared war on America. Then we bombed them to hell and back.

Bomber Harris did nothing wrong.

>>14598808
I thought Zeon had something going on in California

>>14600404
There's a manga called "Gundam Far East Japan", no translations though

Nozaku offered to do it but anons voted for other things instead

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>>14600982
>During a conversation with Blue Unit's commander, Rommel was not aware of the two diffrent sects of Islam

The US American genes were too strong in this one.

>>14606504
A captured Submarine base they used to reverse engineer(More like repaint) Federation Subs.

>>14598808
>>14600404
Interestingly, they left Hokkaido alone

>>14607594

It's a Jap thing

It's like how if an Australian made Gundam, they'd have most of Australian put under Zeon rule except for the desert interior.

There's nothing in Hokkaido except death.

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>>14607122
Idealistically the guy was as pro-Independence of space as possible. Unfortunately for him that when Zeon decided to start attacking Earth, they also needed someone to stop the local tribals and zealots from skinning and raiding them daily. So given how he racially had some ties to the Africans and Middle Eastern population, he became the figurehead of all communications with many of the North African tribes.

Can't really blame him for not wasting to much time trying to learn about the locals religious habits, given how he already had to deal with attacks coming out of the Middle East, Spain, the coastlines of Senegal and eventually the entire Earth once Odessa fell.

>>14608438
Too bad the treaty were in place or they could have just dealt with the tribals like they dealt with their fellow Spacenoids, via the application of unholy amounts of poison gas and WMD's.

Here is the mistake Zeon made on Earth.

Overextending themselves.

They opened too many fronts all at once.

Just grab the easily defensible continents, and work from there.

>>14608468
Basically every side has thought of genocide the population in Africa and the Middle East, but many different factors popped up to change the mindset.

Earth Federation reasons 1. According to Thunderbolt, the Federation was actively paying the civilized areas of Africa and the middle east to breed out children in order to increase the delegations from the areas. With massive delegations coming out of Africa due to population sizes, the continent alone established a good chunk of the total votes on Earth.
the actual votes were cast off by payed off oligarchs and Federal insiders who would give landslide political victories to the established Federal politicians.

Earth Federation reasons 2. Up until Africa was able to get its hands on mobile suits, it generally was a very tribal and backwards area with little to no vital resources, making it generally useless as a area to totally occupy.

Zeon reasons 1. Due to how uneducated and backwards much of the territory was, the people could be very easily indoctrinated and trained into followers and potential soldiers. Many of the tribes sided with Zeon under the idea of total independence from the Federation as well, along with some believing they would be rewarded with citizenship to space for loyalty.
Rommels team was completely loyal to the idea of going to space and being a part of the zeon movement with their familys. Blue Unit was looking to rape, pillage and plunder the creations of the white man and those who would work for them (granted the head of Blue Unit broke this rule to work with Glemy) and lastly there were people who had no political belief, but fought for the sake of individuals from Zeon, like Masai N'gava who used the Gelgoog of her dead Zeon lover to continue fighting years after the One Year War.

>>14608812
Thunderbolt isn't canon though

>>14608819
As far as the South Sea Alliance and everything that went down in the manga, that is correct. However the political situation that was mentioned within context to Africa regarding its population density issues does point out information that does not necessarily contradict any statements from any other series.

While I do grant Thunderbolt is a dubious source of information here, so is much of the other information provided from the other post. Given how Sunrise has claimed only animated works are canon, much of this information is still within an odd spectrum of canon or not. African Zeon has only been truly delved into with ZZ, and even then it's ties to Islam, political beliefs and reasons for hating the Federation are limited to Novels, Managa and games.

ZZ's novel deleves into much of the Islamic Zeon ideals.
Gundam Unicorns Novelization has the attack on Dakar being a hybrid of Islamic faith and Zeonic interest.
Gundam Legacy and Thunderbolt both showed more of the political situation that went down during and After the One Year War.
Gihrens Greed has slightly delved into why they are willing to work with Axis during Haman and Glemys campaigns.

>>14598808
This map is propaganda; Zeeks didn't cross the English Chanel and Ireland was Fed territory all the way through.

>>14608829
>As far as the South Sea Alliance and everything that went down in the manga, that is correct.
Even then, aside from the Full Armor Gundam, nothing in the manga or anime contradicts anything in the proper timeline, so there's no reason to omit it just because it's a little farfetched.

I mean, shit; 0083 worked in a whole third colony drop before Zeta. In comparison, Thunderbolt's pretty tame.

>>14601610
IS that a beam rifle? I think the very fact that it has those firearm components is enough to cement it as being a machinegun. It's from an 08'th MS Team line and I'm sure the ground Gundams used machineguns.

>>14610432
It's a beam rifle, the box art for the Ez8 even shows it firing it.

>>14599222
Australia was a battleground as well. Where Freddie's and Zeeks fought over control. In fact the Dreamcast game Rise from the Ashes take place in the Straya

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>>14610432
It's the standard Ground Gundam beam rifle but with extra tacticool.

Jesta's beam carbine also has a barrel shaped like a silencer and a stock.

>>14610546

To be fair, any way to reduce the warning sign that your enemy are about to get Beam Rifled is a good thing and the reflex sight means better magnification than an iron sight scope for locking on

>>14610570
Meh, at that day and age, still being able to trick enemies by thinking you have a machine gun is weird.

It'd be like a soldier having a semi-automatic rifle that's been disguised to look like a musket.

>>14597176
I think your taste is /spoiler/pleb/spoiler/

>>14596618
>silencer on a beam rifle

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>>14601610
>>14610546
>>14610733

>Silencer

Holy fuck, guys, even in our world, there's no such thing as a silencer

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>>14611086
>nit-picking gunfags getting up in arms about colloquial word usage
>getting mad about true synonyms when there's not even a distinction to be made between terms because, as the dipshit points out, the other thing doesn't even exist
>absolute ignorance of the fact that the fucking inventor of the suppressor marketed it as a "Silencer"
>thinking his gun attachments deserve special linguistic treatment when we should actually be calling them mufflers, because they existed on cars first
>only ever picking from the low-hanging fruit of pedantry
>either doesn't know about or couldn't give a shit over the difference between gun/firearm or bullet/cartridge/round/magnum, only silencer/suppressor (WRONG, IDIOT) and clip/magazine, because it's only pop gun-ken to harp on the latter two
>same sort of fucker who screams when people use "literally" figuratively despite far smarter and more respected authors having used it as such for a hundred years
Even /k/ gave up this retarded fight long ago. Just stop.

>>14611130

Wait, there are idiots who use Literally to mean Figuratuvely?

What?

>>14611086
it's a tactical assault silencer for an assault gun
it probably uses clips full of ammo magazines

>>14611160
Yes. It's an intensifier. It's been used that way for longer than you or your parents have been alive. Combined. You can trace its figurative usage back to the 17th century, and more "recently", you see it being used in a figurative sense repeatedly in works by none other than fucking James Joyce and Charles Dickens. "Literally" doesn't even literally mean its "proper" definition to begin with, since its etymology deals with letters alone.

The English language is a living thing that changes with popular usage, and it's full of words that are now commonly (even overwhelmingly) used in the exact opposite sense of their original meaning, but the awful pop grammarians don't know a fucking thing about that. They hit on "literally" because it's the most widely-known example to try and be smug and superior over, when getting pithy about that only serves to underscore how little they actually know. Attend a symposium on language and marvel at how the only folks mad about the figurative use of the word are a small bunch of descriptivists huddled in the corner, raging hypocritically against history. Further bitching about the figurative "literally" is a moot point.

There are four words in the last paragraph whose most standard current usage is the opposite of their original meaning. Spot them all, kids.

>>14611160
No, people use the word literally for emphasis.

>>14611192

Ironic, to be lectured on smugness by smugness. Or is that to be expected?

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>>14611199
I have an honorary degree in Smugonomics.

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>>14610510
Rise from the Ashes was my first exposure to UC. Probably explains my love of GMs.