Char's counterattack

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It is kino.

>>14584673

> Take a scene where Char is discussing Lalah with Nanai and stops to think about her as he drinks
> Put it at the end of the of string of Zeta screencaps where he and Amuro are discussing sacrifice over drinks
> Profit!

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I enjoy it quite a bit, personally. It's certainly not perfect but I think it serves as a pretty solid endslate to the Amuro and Char story.

The Re-GZ is one of my personal favorite suit designs, so it's also got that going for it.

>>14584800
Must've sucked for Bright when he learned who was among the casualties when Axis was finally stopped.

Seeing Amuro still kicking ass is always worth it.

>>14584664
I liked it a lot, especially the char vs. amuro moments, but it's easy to see why a lot of people don't like it. Hathaway and Quess are fucking awful and they get way too much screentime.

>>14584800
Izubuchi really brought his A-game for CCA. The Re-GZ, Nu, Sazabi, Jegan, and Geara Doga are all fucking top notch.

>>14584844
The geara doga and re-gz are my favorite mobile suits ever

>>14584837
Hathaway was interesting but quess was so one dimensional she made the alpha scenes hard to watch

>>14584760
>Lalah was a sacrifice

>>14584968

Not really. Putting aside that that's not the actual angle that image is going for, a sacrifice implies that one party intentionally allows her death, normally to gain something - which isn't at all true of Lalah.

>>14584760
Didn't they also talk about Char taking all the guilt from destroying the Earth in that scene? Ergo sacrificing himself?

Late UC doesn't do it for me guys

Anything after the masterpiece of 0083 just rubs me the wrong way

>>14585025

In that scene? Yes. In the bit where he's actually drinking and contemplating the glass of alcohol? No. Amuro is mentioned in the scene too, but by Nanai, and Char is talking about and obviously thinking about Lalah during that moment. He has a flashback to her death to hammer it home.

>>14585047
>0083 masterpeice

pick one

>>14584664
>Is it a meme that it's bad?
Yes.

>>14585086
Says the guy who can't even post correctly.

>>14584664
All informations are memes

>>14584664
The main reason I can't rewatch this movie is right there in the middle of the poster, fuck those retarded kids.

>>14585425
This was their chance to be an adult show and they fucked it up

>>14584664
>disregarding opinions that differ from yours as a meme

>>>/tv/
>>>/v/

It's not a bad movie. There's a lot to like.

For me, though, I felt it was a shame that Char (and to a far lesser extent, Amuro) regressed for the sake of this conflict. It wasn't sold as convincingly as I'd have liked.

I don't care, Jegan vulcans shouldn't tear huge chunks out of mobile suits even at close ranges, that's bullshit.

>>14587515
It's a bad movie. You can't just drop people into the endgame of a story and expect things to make sense. CCA should've been at least the second of two movies, not a sole standalone.

>>14587552
I agree that the narrative was very weak and virtually none of the behavior was justified by the previous works the key players appeared in.

But I can't call it a bad movie when the designs, acting and animation are of such a high caliber (goofs notwithstanding.)

The narrative is really weak, though. That's unforgivable. The conflict definitely needed more.

>>14587552
>it should've been at least the second of two movies
Why? So retards won't be lost?
It accomplishes everything it needed to in just two hours.

>>14588061
It really does completely shit on prior characterization superbly so I guess you're right about that.

>>14587515
Happy people don't make for particularly interesting stories.
- Leo Tolstoy

>>14584664
it's shit

>>14588065
No, it's quite in line with prior characterization even if Tomino ultimately chose the bad end route.
Though, I guess, it could have been worse.

>>14588065
>Char in Zeta
>People need to leave Earth and become newtypes, but I guess I can wait for change
>After the end of Zeta and throughout ZZ, it's proven that the federation is corrupt and refuses to change
>Char takes matters into his own hands
I don't see why this would be hard to understand.

>>14587558
>when the designs, acting and animation are of such a high caliber
Then it's a bad story, not bad movie perhaps? All of those things are fluff rather than substance, and turn your brain off movies can certainly be entertaining and seen as good, fun rides.

>>14588395
>>After the end of Zeta and throughout ZZ, it's proven that the federation is corrupt and refuses to change
Wasn't that period like half a year at most? What an impatient dickhead Char must be.

>>14588567
>wasn't that period like half a year at most
Yeah. Because at all other times they have been such nice and understanding fellows.

>>14588567
>Then it's a bad story, not bad movie perhaps?

More or less. There is more to this kind of media than just the writing, though obviously, one would like it to be at the very least solid.

I don't want to be "that guy," but I don't expect particularly well-written stories from this genre. It's curbed my disappointment.

>>14585047
I'm not usually judgemental, but I'm not entirely sure how 0083 can qualify as a masterpiece for anyone.

>>14588790
The writing in CCA far exceeds the standards of the genre or of the medium for that matter. Maybe that's what confused you.

>>14588819
There's no need to condescend. It's straight-forward enough on its own, but the writing could have used more.

>>14589767
Sometimes I hope that Sunrise's greed drives them to make a CCA series that fleshes things out. Then I remember how badly that could end, and that hope dies.

>>14589776
>Then I remember how badly that could end, and that hope dies.
Why are people always so negative over even the thought of remakes? It's like with FFVII, everyone is like well this is gonna be a shitshow. Is everyone just a jaded, unhopeful adult now? I'd like to think that even with the current direction of Sunrise and even the worst staff available, there's still a chance they'd crank out a gem or even just something on par with the original CCA.

>>14589767
Whether I am being condescending or not has no relevance to the actuality of my statement. Do you think that the most important thing about a work of fiction is the plot?

>>14589805
Remakes are a sign of creative bankruptcy and commercialism. I don't see a reason to be optimistic about either of those. If they could do something good they would encourage original works.

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>>14584800
>The Re-GZ is one of my personal favorite suit designs, so it's also got that going for it.

Same here, I hope it gets the Robot Damashii treatment, and a Ver Ka or 2.0 MG

>>14589825
>Remakes are a sign of creative bankruptcy and commercialism.
It doesn't mean the end product can't be good. Even if the original was a flawless masterpiece there's little harm in releasing an update to it if done right.

>>14589852
So did Kamille make bank from royalties coming from the Zeta? Or did AE wholesale steal his shit and not send him a dime?

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>>14584844
The great MS designs of CCA are a big reason for its popularity in the Gundam franchise, IMO.

Sazzy is my favorite Zeon suit.

>>14588567
>What an impatient dickhead Char must be.

You mean just like when he killed Garma and almost completely blew his chance for revenge?

CCA had some based ass MS designs.

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>>14589861
Kamille didn't copyright it, so he didn't get shit.

>>14588567
>What an impatient dickhead Char must be.

That's the point, though. Gyunei himself even says it out loud when he says that when people like Char get mad, they start dropping space colonies.

Char's always been a dickhead. In Zeta he was a sympathetic dickhead trying to be the good guy, but in CCA he slid back into his old scheming ways. He was never a nice guy

>>14589805
>Why are people always so negative over even the thought of remakes?

Seriously, remakes don't have to automatically be shit.

I mean, Nosferatu, The Fly, and The Thing all got remakes that are thought of highly on their own merits.

>>14593779
Where did Kamillie learn to design state of the art millitary robots?
I get that he was a junior mobile suit builder, but does he have like an engineering degree?

where the fuck are Sayla and Mineva. why didn't they finish their fucking arc with char?

Also best charachter died basically off screen

RIP Astonaige

>>14593835
His dad was the lead engineer on the Mk. II and his mom was a composite materials engineer for the Titans. Kamille's home must've been a goldmine for a DIY engineering autist.

>>14598533
Sayla's VA got throat cancer, and then died. So she was excluded from major roles in Zeta and ZZ. In-universe, it's Sayla washing her hands of the war and returning to her life as a normal citizen. She's not a princess, she's not someone politically important, and she's denounced her brother's insane worldview and obsession with revenge. She's just a normal physician now.

Mineva on the other hand was sent by Haman to Earth to receive a normal education, and her arc concludes in Unicorn.

>>14598550
>was sent by Haman to Earth to receive a normal education
It would appear that she didn't succeed in this endeavor.

https://youtu.be/KQMz7YHPIiI

>>14584664
I watched the first 10 minutes of it and got frustrated as shit. What the fuck is going on and why is Char trying to destroy earth? I've seen 0079 and Z, but this seems like it has nothing to do with them.

>>14599516
See >>14598564
After Zeta, Char basically decides that humanity needs to either move to space or die trying. The alternative is for the present shitty situation to perpetuate indefinitely.

Which, as of Victory, which is the last formal UC entry, he's correct.

>>14598550
well. this makes sense. thanks a lot

>>14599811
Holy shit... char was right

I mean, crossbone and victory confirm this.

>>14599811
>>14600719

The thing is: Was he really right? The Earth Federation is in sorry straights come the time of Victory. To the point it likely became insolvent not long after.

A fractured government might lead to the aristocrats losing influence and a bigger humanity space push.

Hell, take it even farther. I want to see UC series with a fully colonized solar system. Where resource shortages and population is forcing humanity to seriously find ways to push outside the solar system.

>>14599811
>>14600719
How the hell does Victory prove Char right? If anything, it's the opposite, since people have been living in space for decades and yet there seem to be fewer Newtypes running around. And far from being the 'enlightened people unbound by gravity' Spacenoids instead star warring with each other over the flimsiest reasons and act more batshit insane than they ever did.

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>>14600967
>Spacenoids instead star warring with each other over the flimsiest reasons and act more batshit insane than they ever did.

Even at the time of G-Saviour, after the collapse of the Federation, the spacenoids are still fighting against each others...

>>14599811

F91 and Victory don't prove Char right, not least because the Spacenoids are again the ones kicking up fuss and killing people while Newtypes are less common. It also doesn't prove him right though because proving that people staying on Earth isn't the same thing as proving that everyone moving to space will make things better. Proving one doesn't automatically prove the other.

>>14602254
Most based anon

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>>14598546
FUCKING THIS. I WAS PISSED ABOUT HOW LONG HE LASTED.

>>14587515
Char never regressed. At the end of Zeta he gets pissed when Dr Hassan tells him to just wait for humanity to evolve on its own, and throws a fit over it.

Haman and Scirocco then accuse him of wanting to shape the world and his response is "I don't want to take the world on the wrong path".

Even during MSG Sayla accused him of the exact same thing, wanting to create a new world in which newtypes are the rulers. He's the same megalomaniac, newtype-supremacist through and through. He just doesn't agree with people like Haman and Scirocco using up humans (including newtypes), which he hated the zabis and federation for doing.

>>14604771

> At the end of Zeta he gets pissed when Dr Hassan tells him to just wait for humanity to evolve on its own, and throws a fit over it.

I think you need to re-watch Zeta. Char is the one that says that it's better to make people Newtypes rather than wait for evolution and Kamille is the one that gets upset and runs out because he doesn't think it's right. Char doesn't show the slightest signs of upset and never throws anything resembling a fit.

What's strange is that despite endorsing Cyber Newtypes they're not really a big part of Char's Counterattack and Char doesn't do anything with them.

> Haman and Scirocco then accuse him of wanting to shape the world and his response is "I don't want to take the world on the wrong path".

He also says that he'll wait for the world to change and the context of the conversation in the scene makes it clear that he doesn't want to repeat what he sees as the mistakes of the Zabis and Titans by leading the world according to his own vision. Kamille is even more clear on that point in the same scene.

That said, I can see why he'd change from Zeta's willingness to wait to Char's Counterattack's desire to force change even if it means making himself similar to those he hated. I think the time frame involved is way too short, and the fact that Char essentially made no effort to do anything during those few years and just decided the world hadn't instantly changed so he needed to make it do so is dumb, but it's understandable regardless. What I think he regresses on is his relationship with Amuro and his feelings over Lalah. Char's Counterattack basically makes him raw over it again like in 0079 and replays the end of 0079 in a more flamboyant manner.

>>14605165

> but people can regress emotionally and become embittered over time and so on

Sure, but the point is (a) that he did regress, especially on Amuro and Lalah and most especially that (b) it's just not that entertaining or interesting to see him do so, at least in my opinion. I think him and Amuro having to live with their past and try to move past it in Zeta, to make something of themselves and their lives, to work together despite the ghosts of the past is much more interesting and human than them shouting at each and throwing asteroids around in apocalyptic scenarios in Char's Counterattack. I think I'm in the minority on finding it a more interesting and fitting end point to their relationship though.

Got my copy of the BD today, going to turn it on shortly. Recently watched Z and ZZ, haven't seen MSG for a decade. I should be fine, right?

worst thing about the movie is the funnel spam

worstest thing about the movie is everyong calling out "funnel" as if its some super move attack

Did CCA retcon ZZ?

What happened to that colony/axis buster cannon upgrade the Argama got early on in that series? Why did Londo Bell not have those or newer more advanced versions even? If one ships super gun would've seriously fucked up Axis, a fleets worth of them would've won the day without newtype magic crap.

>>14584826
Must've sucked for Hathaway when Londo Bell found his Jegan's data logs.

>>14589805
>I'd like to think that even with the current direction of Sunrise and even the worst staff available, there's still a chance they'd crank out a gem or even just something on par with the original CCA.
That chance is so very, very low, though. I don't think I'm too jaded, I just think they'd do what they did with the Zeta movies - half-ass things at first, get cold feet when the early stuff doesn't pay immediate dividends, and then rush everything out the door near the end.

>>14593806
This. Char was always a sociopath. Maybe not on the level of Gihren, but it's obvious that he can't really connect with others, ironically even though he is a very powerful Newtype. CCA was him stop pretending that he was anything but. If anything, his nice guy persona is the mask or false identity, and the callous murderer his true face.

>>14584664

I enjoyed it. Badass adult Amuro was best boy and best pilot.

>>14612174

> Char
> very powerful Newtype

What? He's one of the franchises weaker Newtypes.

>>14585047
>masterpiece of 0083

Found the retard.

>>14612174
>it's obvious that he can't really connect with others
That's what makes Lala so tragic. The one woman who he could trust and connect with gets murdered by some faggot in a gundam.

>>14612235
Who is the weaker newtype, Char or Seabook?

>>14588074
just like your mommie

>>14612821

Cyber-Char

>>14608423

I don't know that the hyper mega cannon was actually capable of destroying Axis. I'd actively doubt it, since the one time it was fired at Axis it did minimal damage, though Bright appeared to be aiming not to destroy it at the time and happy with the results. He was aiming at the engine block though, and I doubt the small bit he took off was the entire engine block.

It did take out a colony, but it was an abandoned colony that was already half destroyed, with all it's mirrors broken and no glass along any of it, so I wouldn't take that as any kind of value of it's strength. What I would note is that when it was fired at the Sadalahn it didn't do all that much damage, and that's a lot smaller and less dense than an asteroid like Axis. And that when it was fired at the colony falling toward Dublin (at half strength) all it could do was blast a hole through the colony and wasn't anywhere close to destroying even a section of it, never mind the whole thing like something capable of destroying Axis should be capable of, since while a colony would be bigger than Axis it wouldn't be by much and Axis would be a lot denser to make up for it. If it was capable of destroying a full colony Dublin wouldn't have been nearly as much of a tragedy as it was.

The hyper mega canon on the Nahel Argama wasn't capable of destroying a full colony either, and that took a while to charge and left the Nahel Argama defenseless when used since it took all the ship's energy to power it. And that was almost certainly a bigger and better version given it was made later and required more power.

>>14606819
That was how they commanded their funnels though, and by speaking commands out loud it was easier to influence the psycommus/psycoframes to direct the funnels instead of just reading the emotion and intent of the pilot's psycowaves.

Amuro never verbally commands his fin funnels, but they activated on their own to defend him because Nu's psycoframe was too sensitive.

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After rewatching the movie I sometimes wonder how did Londo Bell actually managed to beat Neo Zeon considering the rather large parity in numbers.

>Londo Bell
>1 Ra Cailum and 3 Clop Class (1 was seen sunk during the gambit of blowing up Axis from the inside)
>1 Nu Gundam, 1 ReGZ (eventually lost), and 18 Jegans (there were plenty of them shot down)

>Neo Zeon
>1 Rewloola, 13 Musaka
>1 Sazabi, 2 Jagd Doga (1 was out of battle due to damage from Luna II raid), 1 Alpha Azieru, and 82 Geara Dogas

This pretty much also extends to Unicorn on how 1 ship somehow managed to survive after it basically suffered a 100+% casualty rate on its compliments of MS

>>14613035
>He was aiming at the engine block though, and I doubt the small bit he took off was the entire engine block.
They weren't using it at full power, I thought? Just a clean surgical strike to take out the engine block as you said.

>The hyper mega canon on the Nahel Argama wasn't capable of destroying a full colony either
So that fat fuck from the La Vien Rose was full of shit? He said it was capable of doing so to which Bright and some others had an uncomfortable look to them iirc. He was also really anxious to prove and abuse that shit. What was the point of getting the upgrade and immediately heading for Axis if not to destroy it?

>>14613247
>and by speaking commands out loud it was easier to influence the psycommus/psycoframes to direct the funnels
Why'd this have to be a thing when in not one of the three preceeding tv series did anyone who used funnels got shown doing that?