So I just finished this, and...

okay

>>14318374
I'm tired of typing out the explanation for the 700th time since the show stopped airing. I'd appreciate it if you read a thread or two in the archives first. I will say that aside from the objective flaws in the show, I was personally let down by it in a number of ways. Basically, I was advertised one show and fed another as they started to leave Mars. And it was truly pretty excruciating during the slow part of the show during airing that can be hard to understand watching it afterwards. But I'm not up to start this same debate every day for the past few months so I'm going to call it quits. It's 3 AM for me anyways.

But it's shit, and while I don't mind that you didn't think the same, I'll disagree in that so far it hasn't been very Gundam-y.

Not enough mecha porn in it.

Designs are all ace though.

Yeah, it was a 6 or 7/10. The main flaw of the show is the whole middle of the anime who serve almost no purpose.

Also, sometime they try to be edgy but then there is no consequence for that. Mika almost never do anything with his crazyness (I still like him, I find him enterteining) and Ein scored zero kill in the last episode for exemple. I get that they had to town down the edginess and rewrite their story but they did it pretty badly.

Oh well, at least Carta death and Char treason were absolutly hilarious.

Like >>14318400 said it's just an old discussion and your answers are probably there somewhere. Aside from some more objective problems though a whoooole lot of us thought they wasted a very strong start.

Why do you care what /m/ thinks. Every show that airs gets shit on endlessly.

How much you like IBO is invertible proportional on how much you like Gundam in general it seems.

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>>14318374
This about sums up my feelings (so far).

You guys have low standards.
This was basically wow it's fucking nothing: the show.

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>>14318501
butter version

>>14318400
"I can't back up my orthodoxy, I mean, I'M TOO TIRED, so here let me refer to you to some posts by people who agree with me"
geez I just asked gave my middling-to-positive thoughts on the show, sorry if that triggered you, you complete faggot

Since this is an IBO thead, did anybody see the first episode of the dub? How was it?

>>14318374
> fits in with the rest of Gundam

You know what, that pretty much actually answers your question.
I will expand it from my perspective as a person who has seen the previous shows barring AGE and Build Fighters, because the popularity IBO has is among the new comers who want to jump in by buying the latest hot cake instead of affording the vintage wine.
Take a teaspoon of powder named good qualities of X and Wing.Now take a big glass of solution named the bad parts of Wing. Add the tea spoon of powder in the solution. The result is what is known as - IBO.
What I felt that apart from the beginning and the battles with the Teiwaz girls, it was a slog during it's run.As it has been revealed in interviews,Okada had plans where things would had been way more sinister, which would had caused quite a negative reception towards Tekkadan from the audience. What we instead got a cliche storm of the next level of Nakama -dori - Family in vein of Mafia( the subtlety was lost during jupitor colony episodes), the same old evil mustache waxing back stabbing adult v/s the child soldier orphans of Africa. I don't have to mention the use of "hey did you know about my long lost brother as of speak before he appears in the next scene?" cliche bing used back to back.Apart from the aforementioned fights,rest were curb stomp battles , specially in the later half. When things really started to get interesting after they reached earth, IBO suddenly started to use forward away function in the progress bar of media player, and we are skipped over near to the last episode. The least we talk about Death of a significant character(and most sane person in tekkadan)by the hands of a joke character and that joke character's sudddenly gruesome death,the better.
A lot has been said about GeazEin's jobbing alongwith the adding to salt to the injury scene in last ep already, so I will leave it there.
In short, it was a very stale experience with nothing new on the table

Everything felt like one huge setup for something that never happened.

Maybe in S2 but I'm not very hopeful.

>>14318654
This.

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>>14318374
I like Big Order a lot despite how shitty the writing and characters are. It's pants on head retarded and takes great pride in it.

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This is by far the worst Mid Season "upgrade" I've ever seen for a main Gundam Unit. And I actually really like vanilla Barbatos.

>>14319755
Gotta disagree with you there. The Dinosaw is the most original Gundam weapon since Corin Nander's rocket punch, and is considerably more effective.

>>14319791
Chain Wrench thing is hardly part of the actual design of the upgrade. It's the design that matters most of all.

And the upgrade is basically
-add heavy armor to the chest that looks boring
-have weird booster shoulder that clash with the arms
-give Barbatos Heels
-and strap the stupidest looking boosters to it's waist.

>>14318374
It was alright. I'd give it a C+. It's similar to Wing in that the first stretch and final stretch are good and the middle is meh, but it isn't as bad as Wing since it's shorter. IBO, at least, has a few twists going for it, and some well-done action scenes. Really, it's going to come down to how the second season does. It could improve drastically since they've built the world plenty already, or they could stick with that approach and make it worse.

>>14318492
>How much you like IBO is invertible proportional on how much you like Gundam in general it seems.
Nope. I have fond feelings for every Gundam show that isn't Igloo 2 or G-Reco, and I thought IBO was just alright. I don't dislike it, there weren't any parts that were outright bad like in Wing, SEED Destiny, or those prior two.

>>14318492
>How much you like IBO is invertible proportional on how much you like Gundam in general it seems.

More like "How much you enjoy the Gundam franchise (specifically TV shows) the more you'll let IBO get away with shit".

I know people give G reco a lot of shit and I'm not one of those "You didn't understand it" guys but I truly believe it was a better show. At least when comparing IBO's 25 eps with Greco's full run.

>>14319890
>there weren't any parts that were outright bad like in Wing, SEED Destiny, or those prior two.
There was you're just retarded. Even when people defend this shit it doesn't sound good.

>>14319924
>I know people give G reco a lot of shit
Just stupid people

>>14319948
Nope. Nothing in IBO was outright offensive. There weren't any scenes where Kudelia screams "Mika! Come and kill me!". There weren't any scenes where the Barbatos gets damaged by Kimaris and then an unexplained gigantic explosion happens, leading the viewer to think Barbatos blew up. There's no hamfisted ghost taking up most of every episode. There's no scene where Kudelia screams at Mika for defending himself from somebody who was just trying to kill him, with Mika feeling bad about it.

>>14318654
That's why I'm holding off final judgement for this series until s2. S1 was all about building up various ideas and details, like how fucked up Orga's relationship with Mika is. But it's like the original Halloween movie, so much time was spent building it up that the payoff didn't seem proportional. Not to mention how s1 ended too one-sided in the protagonists' favor with the darker build-up seemingly dropped.

IF they make something out of the already established buildup in season 2, then season 1 will be worth it like Halloween 2. IBO whole will be greater than the sum of it's parts. But if they don't, and season 2 is more like another story tacked on to something that already finished, then it's going to be a waste like Rob Zombie's Halloween 2.

>>14320051
Not him but I fine the Ein "Killing" 3 named cast members vaguely and making him seem pretty scary/formidable only to reveal every one of them alive the next episode pretty offensively bad.

>>14319890
>IBO, at least, has a few twists going for it
Aside from Ein Graze what twists?

>>14320108
Chocolate Man.

>>14320114
that is not a twist

ANN confirmed for eliminating comments about this series that are remotely negative

Honestly /m/, if this series is this bad (which it is), why not just unite and bring up the problems intelligently? Teach fans what is wrong with it, why IBO does not work as gundam, and spread it?

>>14320134
>ANN confirmed for eliminating comments about this series that are remotely negative

You just discovered this ? ANN eliminates any type of comment that goes against their narrative. For any anime series. And the worst thing is that their reviewers are also forum moderators. That's about non partial as you can be.

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>>14320157
I took a picture of this and minutes later it got deleted. Topic: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3045694&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

>>14320051
>Nothing in IBO was outright offensive.
>Ein becoming a cyborg yet manages to accomplish nothing
>Kudelia sugoi despite accomplishing nothing or earning the right
>Hey did you know I had a brother?

>>14318374
>I just want to better understand why it's so hated
I personally hated the mechanical direction choices. Gundam to me is only as good as its toys, and the exposed hydaulic waists were just plain ugly to me. SEED-thin is as far as I'll let a mobile suit go.

Every single design in this show always has something I hate.
>Graze looks awesome at first
>has fucking stupid high heels and its gun makes no sense for a /k/-fag, whereas even a Zaku machine gun makes some form of sense if you pretend it's like an odd American 180
>Grimgerde looks cool?
>no it has the dumbest-ass waist and also stupid bunny ears
>Barbatos has cool legs
>lolno lets let it have unarmored waist hydraulics and give it silly shit for weapons akin to the gundam hammer
>Gusion Rebake
>nearly had me except for my dislike over its oval arm pod things that don't mesh well aestheically with the rest of the suit
>Hyakuren/Hyakuri
>CAN THE MECHANICAL DESIGNERS STOP FUCKING UP THE FEET HOLY SHIT

>>14320148
Who gives a shit about anybody outside this board? It's not our job to educate people and they have no effect on us. I'd rather have the majority slurp up dogshit series than reject it because it paints the US as a bigger market.

>>14320169
>a post calling out Valvrager got deleted

I know the theory is stupid, but could someone on ANN staff be Valvrager or an imitator? Do their mods hang around these boards? It is unlikely, but now I'm curious about the idea.

>>14320169
Duel deserves to be deleted on principle for being a stupid fuck though.

>>14320051
We just have Ein failing to kill anyone
We just have Carta posing on battlefields and asking criminals for fair duels
We just have the snipers not killing Kudelia
We just have have Fumitan's body stopping high powered bullets with her body
We just have the cast destroying everthing in their way across space
We just have the show telling us how bad these orphans have it yet they are always shown to be pretty happy and extremely competent
We just have the ridiculousness of Akihiro's brother being on the pirate ship and that whole plot just being an excuse to give him a Gundam
We just have Biscuits random brother
We just have no one knowing what Kudelia looked like

>>14320196
Hi Ryujin

>>14320169
Probably because that stupid comment about /m/ shows that you want to spread an agenda instead of your singular opinion. You're basically asking to be deleted.

>>14318374
The IBO hate is shitposting, period. It's a mediocre Gundam but far from 'worst Gundam ever' or some other retarded bullshit.

>>14320223
Why?

>>14320226
It's very hard to be worse than ZZ.

>>14320212
And ANN isn't spreading an agenda? They have gotten things wrong in the past and not correct themselves

>>14320197
>We just have Carta posing on battlefields and asking criminals for fair duels
Part of her character was literally being retarded, which is why she chased after them with such a small force in the first place.
>We just have have Fumitan's body stopping high powered bullets with her body
Sniper rifles aren't all .50 cal anti-armor weapons. That one was somewhat plausible, although still incredibly stupid because she shouldn't have been able to jump in the way at all and there should have been a second shot.

>>14320157
So wait, people keep going on about how the ANN forums ate this show up, yet the mods were going around deleting negative comments? Why do I get the feeling ANN's getting money to promote IBO under the table?

>Toonami livestream last night when IBO
>generally reception that it was boring with far too much talking and little action

Oh boy! Are they gonna have fun with the rest of the show.

>>14320230
So? You're fighting on their turf, idiot. Do you think that's not "fair" or something? Should I call you Carta?

>>14320234
>>14320244
People tend to have less credibility with places that have exposed double standards.

>>14320233
>Part of her character was literally being retarded, which is why she chased after them with such a small force in the first place.

Does that make it any less offensive?

>>14320286
Offensive?
No, that's just you being retarded and blaming the show for your own shortcomings.

>>14320309
No it's pretty offensive to have a trained soldier act so retarded across the series.

>>14320233
>Part of her character was literally being retarded,
"I must apologize for Carta. She is an idiot. We purposely trained her wrong, as a joke."

>>14318374
>I felt like Tekkadan was really family.
Why? because they constantly said we are like a family, hey aniki we are a family, we must do this as a family

They don't act like a family and there are next to no interesting dynamics throughout the group, at best a few 1 on 1 stuff that is barely explored

How much you enjoy IBO depends on how suggestible you are

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>>14320241
When are they going to get to the fireworks factory?

>>14320051
>Nope. Nothing in IBO was outright offensive
HEY DID I MENTION THAT I HAVE A SPACE BROTHER?
HEY DID I MENTION I HAVE A BROTHER ON THIS COLONY?

But my personal favourite, Carta magically escaping from under mika when he had he in his dinosaw pinned to the ground. he was so distracted that they were able to pull her away and no one took a shot at him

>>14320241
source?

>>14320323
>trained soldier

Yeah no, she was a pampered princess given her own little royal guard and a position far from where she could be in any harm. She was spoiled rotten to the point where she thought all battles were fought with an honor code, where having a man-harem of squadmates is nothing unusual.

She is so completely ignorant of battle, her entire character is a tragedy of hubris in being thrown against real combatants fighting with absolute seriousness, and dying for it.

>>14320363
yeah no. To get that position she would have at least gone through military academy which would probably teach you stuff like how to deal with a ship using a shield and not to just let it charge past

She is not believable in a show like IBO that was going for a more gritty tone

>>14320361

https://desustorage.org/co/thread/83495522/

>>14320370
Or.
You know.
Be a pampered princess.

>>14320378
No she would have had some training at the very least to command a fleet of ships, even if you want to play the posh kid got a commander role easy they would still go through a military academy. Even then a complete idiot with no training could figure out a tactic like shoot at the side of the ship or don't announce yourself before going into battle like that.

In a silly show you can get away with that, I wouldn't blink an eye if it happened in ZZ but IBO wanted to be more gritty and grounded

>>14320278
Nice job exposing it to us. Maybe if you hadn't posted that bit at the bottom and just taken a screenshot of your argument being deleted, you could argue that they're protecting their agenda. It just looks like they deleted someone who advocated banding together to talk about how much you hate the show instead of why you liked other ones. Next time don't post things like that at the bottom because you're shooting yourself in the foot. Although I don't know why I'm explaining something this simple to some stupid forumposter.

>>14320378
Which the show never said. The show never said she never went through the military. If anything her character would want to go through the military to be closer to Char. Getting her position by nepotism would be something she's against as Char had to work his ass off for what he got

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>>14320402
If nothing else, IBO was good for laughing at

>>14320394
A military academy with a strong background of nobility only teaches you shit by the books because it's an easy and objective way of getting even the most retarded noblemen up in rank. Obviously Gjallerhorn hasn't practiced these things for 300 years and it's not a big deal if she can't adapt to a situation. I think you really didn't pay attention to this show.

>>14320422
You don't have to practice "hey lets not shout at the enemy that we are here so they can shoot us in the face"

Your book smarts don't count for anything like also doesn't cut it when the MS have built in battle sims to practice as much as you want, so I doubt it is that hard for them to stage a fake fleet battle either

>>14320399
I never said she never went through the military. Don't put words in my mouth.

And don't tell me what the show did and didn't say when you throw out your own headcanon that the show never said anything in support of either.

>>14320051
>Nothing in IBO was outright offensive
I have to inform you that your brain is dead.

>>14320371
Wow that is some hard negative reception

>>14320477
Yeah. I didn't like the show from the start and even I wasn't that harsh, they are gonna hate the slow episodes

Then again, a bad dub would make those episodes stuck on the ship so much worse

>>14320477
Or maybe /m/ was posting along with them.

Do people like the 'fuck beam weapons, physical melee and guns only' approach?

To me, "beam superweapons for EVERYONE pew pew pew" was one of the things that ruined 00 S2, so even though IBO's choreography could have been better, I still like what they're trying. S2 needs a better guns / melee balance though.

>>14320484
I was at work last night and I didn't know /co/ had Toonami threads, I'm one of the people that criticizes IBO the harshest and even I'm taking a step back.

>>14320422
It's not even a matter of "Gjallarhorn became lax" or anything, Carta is pretty much just a few bad influences away from being IBO's gender-flipped Don Quixote.

>>14320490
No cause as shown here, it just turned into one hit kills anyway while many shows that do have beams have fights that last longer with more shit going on

Beams are not and have not ever been bad just for being beams, the problem is beam spam and when they become very ineffective to the point of OG transformers. At the end of the day what you use doesn't mater it's how well you use it. IBO's bad choreography meant they might as well used beams cause they did nothing intereting with the physical aspect

Also IBO made guns so useless it took them out as an element of combat lowering a lot of tension, whenever someone picked up a gun I just new at best they would maybe get one shot off and then just shoot around in the background

>>14318374
I liked it, too. It's my favorite non-GBF Gundam series made this millennium so far.

There are many gripes I have about the writing, but it's par for course since anime writers are terrible story tellers anyway.

The other major problem I have with the show is that most of the mecha are forgettable or unremarkable which is a big blackmark for a mecha series.

>>14320490
>>14320522
Oh and beams are better for guns because in space it allows you to track shot better making it easier for the viewer to see what effect the guns are having on a battle

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>>14318374

>>14320522
The cannon could one-shot Grazes, so it makes sense that Tekkadan used it every time. Pity they kept buying Barbatos new clothes instead of getting a second gun.

Grazes were able to shoot up Barbatos just fine with their rifle (they trashed the nano armour a couple times and it had to be discarded), but they would immediately go to melee and get trashed. If they just backed off while firing at Barbatos they would have won every fight.

Better weapons would have helped, even the Leos had Doberguns, but I guess the Gjallarhorn factories were just too busy designing more Graze variants.

>>14320490
>Do people like the 'fuck beam weapons, physical melee and guns only' approach?

The conventional weapons loadout was one of the few things I liked about IBO. Lasers can be cool, but to be honest they're actually pretty dumb and serve no purpose other than to be a fireworks show for ADHD demographic.

>>14320603
>The cannon could one-shot Grazes,
And yet it rarely did, if anything it was very inconsistent in how much damage it did

>Grazes were able to shoot up Barbatos just fine with their rifle
Fuck off they were, if you can charge up when it is shooting you they did not do just fine

>>14320607
I liked the idea, but the execution sucked.

>>14320371
And I thought /m/ was autistic. The first episode wasn't even bad, but I guess /co/ is ADHD incarnate.

>>14320638
You have to remember 90% of them only know wing, G and maybe 8th MS

>>14318581
>He hasn't watched Build Fighters yet
Dude what are you waiting for fucking watch it man

>>14320619
for what it's worth, and it's one of those show don't tell details about the show, the whiffing of the physical rounds is somewhat reminiscent of whiffed tank shots from beyond the tank gun's range.

Granted, it makes more sense when there's an atmosphere and all kinds of understandable ballistic physics going on to result in loss of kinetic energy and thus reduced penetration ability, but if the show had more to say about the gravity hoohah that Ahab reactors have going on then I guess you could make an assumption that increased distance = minute gravitational influences fucking with ballistic performance in what should be an environment with little to no ways of losing kinetic energy.

Simply put, the show had, whether intentional or not, a tank warfare angle going on and I thought that was cool even if the action felt biased in favor of melee combat. It's mostly refreshing because at least the way I understood it in classic UC-era Gundam mobile suits, their influence on space warships, and the whole tactics of war followed in the path of the aircraft carrier, naval aviation, and how all of that changed the way we fought wars ever since World War II. Having IBO instead evoke the angle of "the age of the MBT" felt in a way familiar yet different, if that makes any sense.

>>14320651
You put in 100 times more thought into this whole tank warfare bull than anyone on the show. There wasn't any of what you said present

The truth is, the guns were shitty, rarely factored into battle in a very important way and they just worked when it was convenient for the story

>>14320490
No because it was stupid and hardly different from what we had before. Shells replace beams and axes/clubs/whatnot replace beam sabers and axes.

The only idiots praising this "no beam"shit are people who never watched Gundam before.

>>14320641
It really gets me that people think this show will be the new Wing, making Gundam big in the West again.

Okay, Wing had quite a few advantages that IBO doesn't have. It came out early in the late-90's anime boom, and stood out because of how different it was. "Look, the opening is in Japanese! Look at how much damage these robots are causing, people are freaking dying. Holy crap this is awesome! Did you see those weapons?" It stuck out because it got out early enough.

Now look at the current state of anime. The boom is over. People have seen the mecha genre, and a bunch of folks don't like it. People know what Gundam is. The surprise is gone, and they're trying to resurrect the franchise with IBO.

Hell, I've often thought that following Wing with 0079 was a mistake because of how mundane that show's weapons are in comparison. And now we're entering a really low-tech world where a giant-ass club is more powerful than guns.

>>14320412
Good for laughing at. Not fun for laughing at.

>>14320490
This is one of the dumbest things I've heard people say when recommending IBO. As other anons have said it's not just about what weapon they use but how they use it. The kills are mostly 1 hit kills anyway and are basically the same as beam kills that are missing beam effects and sometimes explosions. Even A/Z showed off physical weapons better even in space.

IBO is the work of people that wrote down what fans think would be cool and implementing them without understanding the elements that would make it visually appealing.

Beam weapons were utilized properly in 00 and it's only logical they would develop the most effective weapon.

>>14320603
But that basically falls into the same trap as beams, doesn't it? The Gundam is one of the only units that gets a powerful one-shot ranged weapon while every other enemy unit has useless guns that just plink off its armor in an attempt to seem threatening.

>>14318374
Just compare the first OP to the actual show. Mercenary company fighting it out with mobile workers and a Gundam against military. Kudelia appears for a few seconds at most. Grain filter slapped on to make it seem gritty.

Then in the actual show, most of the time is them talking about being an family, or Kudelia angsting by herself.

>>14320734
Compare to the RX-78, Wing, Seed where there's basically no point in shooting at the Gundam with basic weaponry, either it does nothing, or they couldn't be bothered to spend the budget to show damage, its kinda hard to tell which.

Here, even automatic weapons can harm the fancy nanolaminate armour. But the enemies barely attempt to fight back so Barbatos only ever takes superficial damage. Its kind of an improvement but its so badly done that its a wash.

>>14320882
>Compare to the RX-78
But it got fucked up by conventional weaponry a lot, it could only tank some shots

>Here, even automatic weapons can harm the fancy nanolaminate armour.
fuck off it barely scratches the gundams and only when it is convenient for the plot. The Barbie barely takes any damage through the course of the show

>>14320490
I would have liked it if they managed to actually make it different from a regular Gundam show in regards to fight choreagraphy, it really isn't any grittier than previous shows and most people just die in one hit anyway. I've seen people make up this perceived idea that the enemy pilot isnt a bloody smear but actually suffering for some incredibly small period which to me is the same as saying "well with beams you're burned first before you're blown up so its gritty".

This is mostly because they made that dumb decision to include nanolaminate armor that unless you're a Dort Colonist in a rigged mobile suit, makes ordinary fire quite ineffective.

>>14318534
>tri**ered

Fuck off.

>>>/v/
>>>/pol/
>>>/tv/

This shit was never funny and needs to end now.

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>>14318501
>>14318531

>>14320197
>We just have Carta posing on battlefields and asking criminals for fair duels

You know the first time I could get behind that and even found it kinda funny but it blows my mind they tried to pull that shit off a second time like an episode or two later.

>>14321259
blame it on the privilege of her birth.

>>14321263
Graze Carta when?

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>>14320371
Oh that poor naive fool.

>>14321259
Anon, Earth's Gjallahorn is super strong and much more well trained than the mooks in the Outersphere. Which is exactly why Tekkadan was forced to fight a joke unit.

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I enjoyed IBO more then G-Reco...

It was by no means perfect but it wasn't as bad as /m/ makes it out to be.

I liked IBO and im enjoying 0096 right now

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>>14321511
Same.

It had its moments and a pretty good set-up for a second season.
Fingers crossed for Gali-Gali not being as dead as Chocolate Man thinks.

>>14321511
>>14321761

>I enjoyed IBO more then G-Reco...

You are everything wrong with /m/ and the Gundam fanbase in general

>>14318374
>By the end, I felt like Tekkadan was really family.
I sure didn't. They felt mostly flat and shallow.
Strong relationships were not present.

Gjallahorn were just a bunch of jobbers and jokes no one could take seriously as a threat. I really disliked the pacing and the overabundance of attention Kudelia received which felt like wasted time. The show is called "iron blooded orphans" and yet she is practically the mc and not even a good one.

>>14320051
Carta's entire character being completely retarded and taking up too much screentime with the most stupid motivation and poor backstory is offensively bad
Ein's whole character is a total mess.

>>14320371
Oh man they fucking hate Mika. Can't blame them.

>>14320490
It doesn't matter one way or the other if combat is such a small focus of the series. Even compared to some of the most dry Gundam entries, IBO seems to treat mecha combat as an occasional obligation.

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>>14322398
Literally all of the antagonists were hilariously terrible on some level. I think the only legit threat they fought against was Teiwaz, who immediately joined forces with them next episode.

And let's not forget these guys.

>>14321511
>>14321761
I didn't really like ether, but even if I turn off my brain and just focus on the designs and animation, G-reco still comes out on top. Both had poorly implemented settings that seem interesting at a glance, and generally unengaging characters but at least G-reco was a more appealing spectacle.

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>coming soon to build fighters season 3....

>>14321761
>pretty good set-up for a second season.
S1 finale was incredibly lame.

/m/ hates it because /m/ hates everything.

/m/ is a boring, contrarian hivemind.

IBO had a perfectly decent 1st season. Wasn't great, wasn't awful.

It's all subjective anyway but nobody on 4chan is smart enough to know what an opinion is, let alone have one of their own.

I'm glad you watched it with an open mind. I didn't LOVE it, but I was excited to watch it each week. I'll rewatch it dubbed, and I'm excited for season 2.

>>14320490
I've seen lots of people CT like it made the show good but a show is only as good in the fight regard as it's battle choreography which sucked.

Imo lasers, beams, bullets shit is secondary to actual good fights.

>>14322532
>Wasn't great, wasn't awful.
Mediocrity isn't praise in my book, especially in a bloated franchise like Gundam.

...you guys realize they've only completed season 1, right? That the show isn't over yet? So judging the show is kind of ridiculous because it isn't even complete yet?

Fine to say "I didn't like IBO season 1" or whatever, but you can't be like "IBO sucked" because IBO isn't finished yet.

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how was Choco man as a Char clone?

>>14320371
>A character voiced by JYB is leading a rebellion, with outdated mechs that roll around, against a superior force that has more advanced technology.
This sounds slightly familiar.
>leading a rebellion

Oh man the advertising really gave people the wrong idea

>>14322532
>IBO had a perfectly decent 1st season.
it was pretty bad, anon. Not Infinite Ryvius bad, but I wouldn't recommend this to most people.

>>14322532
The first season was awful.

>>14322543
Fine, it was good. I liked it, and I wanted more when each episode was over, and I'm eagerly awaiting season 2.

Praise.

>>14322547
no

>>14322543
This.

Personally rather watch bad shit than mediocre shit because it at least gives me a reaction one way or the other. IBO just failed to move me either way. Making it a bigger waste than say destiny even if I think destiny as a show was worse.

I can see why people like it I guess and I don't care if they do really, but I don't see how it being completely mediocre is praise worthy. I will give it this it had interesting ideas just fell short on the execution nd if it ran with them better or does in S2 it could end up being allot better.

>>14322546
Unless they pull a miracle out their ass I'd be very hard press to say a show where the first half is complete shit is worth watching.

>>14322547
He was a phenomenal bastard, so pretty good as far as clones go in the grand scheme of things. He felt very evocative of the original MSG Char, if Char's motives back then was less about revenge and more about weeding out corruption in the government.

>>14320733

Compare this to later UC gundam series where you see a single mobile suit with a shot down count of over 500 MS. Even with OHKs IBO avoided having mobile suits being as cheap as paper.

>>14320490

They want beam weaons, give us a bloodly railgun, it shoots tungsten beams.

>>14322709
That's a really specific comparison though. A lot of shows featured beam weaponry that manages to make more engaging and longer lasting fights.

The problem with IBO is that it didn't matter how strong the armor is because Barbatos is the only suit carrying a practical weapon in verse making every opponent he faces useless. Ein made a very good example of how useless armor is because barbs managed to cut the thickest part of it which just show that they might as well use a beam saber because the result is the same. In fact them making the suits tough enough to take most shots just dissolves any tension since we already know only main characters are capable of close combat and inconsistent damage serves as plot convenience.

Comparing a show that has too much of something wouldn't make the one with too little of it look better. I agree that stuff like victory had too much but it doesn't mean IBO wasn't doing the same but in a different way.

>>14321511
>I enjoyed IBO more then G-Reco...
You'll come around in a few years.

Hey guys!

Remember Shino and that boy?

That obviously gay romance setup.
Did you enjoy how pointless it was in an entire 25 ep season?

>exchange looks
>blush
>longing stare
>repeat
>Finale
>oh shit you almost died!
>oh cool you're not dead
>still wont say a word

Quality Writing.

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>>14322555
>implying that Infinite Ryvius is bad
>implying that Infinite Ryvius is worse than that IBO turd

>>14321854
>getting this assblasted about OPINIONS

You are everything wrong with /m/ and the Gundam fanbase in general.

>>14318374
IBO wasn't terrible.

It wasn't great, but it could've been worse.

>>14320197
>>14321259

You faggots complain about Patrick from 00 then?

>>14320370
Yeah she is, history had plenty of people as retarded as Carta being in important military positions. And they ended up the same way, though admittedly most of them never survived the first time they fucked up.

Are you trying to argue against reality here? LoGH was far more serious than IBO, yet I don't see anyone complain how Andrew Fork managed to obtain a position a million times more important and more powerful than Carta Issue.

>>14321511
Makes sense to me, you're just in it for the girls, cause you sure as hell aren't in it for the fighting robots.

>>14322555
You're an odd man, person who takes random opportunities to try to insist that Infinite Ryvius is bad.

>>14320412
It is kind of sad how Atra ended up the better character of the two, despite having a lesser role

>>14322929
>Ein made a very good example of how useless armor is because barbs managed to cut the thickest part of it

Which episode was this?

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>>14323191
The last one

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>>14322543
See what is weird about IBO is that while it is mostly mediocre it is bad in places people mostly don't talk about

Like the dialogue, for such a wordy show the dialogue itself is atrocious. It's all so flat and lacks any real character outside of sort or more posh. I especially noticed this with the Tekkadan boys as they are mostly interchangeable being cocky teenager while one goes a bit crazy and the other goes NANI. Characters will just monologue on a whim even when it is out of character like Mika's apparent vast knowledge of the economy which he isn't just repeating from someone. Pic related happens a lot, scenes will just be a character walks up to another so they can tell them how they feel on the situation. There is nothing natural about it and it isn't stylish enough to get away with it. Even Kudelia's speeches which are meant to be these sugoi things to change people's heart are just nothing, she didn't make any interesting points or create some clever scenario to help herself just said "no it was all fake believe it!" The character dynamics aren't even interesting, Kudelia acts like the same scared child to everyone, Mika and Orga act teh same to each other as they do to everyone else, Ein just has a banal anger but is just bland to everyone else

The only one who really felt like they showed a character without us being told was Gali, which may explain his popularity. I'm not asking for complexity just competency

>>14322643
>He was a phenomenal bastard
He quite literally did nothing for most of the show but give exposition, then he killed the two people who would actually be devoted to him and help him with his cause of stopping corruption. In the show he in fact is more corrupt by going behind the organisations back to make secret deals to ruin it

Plus he has zero rivalry with Mika or anyone really, he is not like Char at all

>>14323346
Gundam never had good dialogue.

Especially the ones directed by Tomino.

>>14323363
Found the retard

>>14323346
>The only one who really felt like they showed a character without us being told was Gali,
What the fuck are you talking about? They pretty much told us he was Garna 2.0 and his "popularity" is the same as people who defend Carta, waifuism.

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>>14322546
>You can't say a show with 25 shit episodes sucks.

Wew lad

>>14323385
rip in piece

>>14323363
Tomino dialogue at least felt like people and not exposition dumps. People talk erratically and say dumb shit. And Tomino dialogue is memorable. I can't remember much from IBO sticking in my head.

>>14323346
>Like the dialogue
Everyone kept pointing out how terrible KUDERIA SUGOI is, how worthless side characters' entire subplots are and how obnoxious Chocoman giving exposition every single fucking time he opens the mouth is.

And then there's Mika who simply vomits his own shit every time he bothers talking.

>>14323363
>Gundam never had good dialogue

THIS IS NO ZAKU

>>14322546
>...you guys realize they've only completed season 1, right? That the show isn't over yet?
>Sunrise
>S2
Stop being new.

>>14323506
>Not even my own father hit me!
This is an example of good dialogue. In one line we see that Amuro is shocked by Bright, that has been somewhat sheltered in his upbringing, and that he is unaccustomed to the way millitaries do things

I wouldn't call IBO terrible, but I'm struggling to think of a single Gundam TV series that I liked less than IBO, and I watched every single one of them.

>>14323519
Really? Not even Destiny or AGE?

>>14323529
AGE was a much better experience than IBO.

>>14323529
AGE has much better mechs, characters and fights

>>14323518
We also tell that both characters are angry without a character walking into a scene and telling us. Something as basic as that IBO fails at, when it sort of tried with that one Mika Orga scene where Mika is all lets kill everyone people were left unsure what the show wanted to imply exactly and if this was a positive or negative. Not helped by it not really changing how anyone acted

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>>14323529
Desperado is way more badass compared to Mika and Barbs. Mika can't even be compared to badass Flit

>>14323385
Pic related.

>>14323529
>MY MOBILE PHONE
Destiny is comedy gold

>>14320395
That's because Duel is literally autistic

>>14323580
That it was. Not good comedy though.

>>14323346
>Pic related happens a lot, scenes will just be a character walks up to another so they can tell them how they feel on the situation
>There is nothing natural about it and it isn't stylish enough to get away with it
This may very well be why IBO comes off as so offensive despite actually doing so little.

>>14323237
That's literally the joint, the weakest part of the mobile suit. It wouldn't have been any different if it was with the mace by the way.

It wasn't so much that it was the weeb sword, but rather that Barb gained the same retard speed that Ein's Graze did so the force behind his strikes were easily capable of decapitation.

To begin with, there's no reason for anyone to assume Ein's Graze was heavily armored. It's bigger than Barbatos, yet it moves at the same top speed when both pilots are equal on getting hooked up. This obviously has to mean something.

In fact aside from Mika, Ein didn't take damage from anyone. For all you know his Graze was no different than Graham Aker Flag Custom, just bigger.

>>14320711
Gundam was never going to get big in the states. People hypothesize about following Wing with X, or one of the OVA'so but you nailed it when you said the surprise is what got people. Gundam is a kid's show in Japan, and makes its money selling toys. Gundam keeps getting billed to teens/college age kids because in no way can it be sold to children here in the states.
It may be unfortunate, but Japanese mecha anime will forever be a niche thing. The only hope we Americans have to getting mecha big in anyway is to have a western production made, and be hugely successful.

>>14323556
Maybe you just don't get it. IBO spoon fed everything, how can you not understand? Just because their emotions contain contradictions doesn't make it poor.

IBOfags and G-Recofags are literally Feddies vs Zeon. No matter how much time passes you guys probably won't ever understand each other, even if both shows are at the end of the day, for kids.

>>14323621
You mean Beast Wars?

>>14323363
>Hey Garma, do you read me? Blame this on the misfortune of your birth.

>>14323529
Age was a fine experience while it was airing. It was stupid, lazy, and the plot was getting ridiculous, but it wasn't a dredge to get through.
I mostly feel the same about Destiny, but I didn't watch it as it was airing.

>>14323626
Sure.

>>14323624
IBOfags only exist because it's the newest Gundam and they're newcomers to the mecha genre and/or Gundam franchise. I honestly doubt anyone is going to try to defend IBO, say, four years from now. They're either going to move on and stop watching anime or get into Gundam/mecha properly and look back at their newbie days in embarrassment.
Maybe if season 2 ends up amazing and redeems the show, but I doubt it.

G-Reco is always going to have a dedicated fanbase simply because it's a Tomino anime.

>>14323529
As someone who was unfortunate enough to have Destiny as his gateway series to Gundam(I didnt even see SEED first) I honestly can say I was more intrigued with it than I was watching IBO.

>>14318501
>>14318531
>>14321206

Fuck yeah! Pretty sums up the show.
I'll suck Graze Ein's dick to pulverize anyone who opposes these interpretations.

IBO Rating: 5/7

>>14323654
That doesn't change the fact that neither will ever understand each other, and they will be proud of it.

>>14323237
This is the most bullshit scene I ever saw in the show.

How' the fuck Barbie sliced Ein's arms? Armor and joints buddy.

Okada and the rest made Graze Ein superior to Barbie in everyway that it makes impossible to Mika beat the Graze Ein without the "Deus Ex Machina" which is other word for "bullshit".

>>14323688
IBO still suck tho much worse than G-Reco.

>>14323675
Honestly I really enjoyed the first quater or so of Destiny. Shinn makes me laugh. Athrun is still alright. There's some okay action sequences like the colony drop, or that time Shinn flied through that tunnel blind, came out the other side, stabbed a dagger, and then shoved the dagger into a cannon to blow it up.

>>14323529
I only disliked the third MC/arc of AGE but liked the show otherwise. Destiny was dumb, but entertainingly dumb. I have pretty low standards, despite watching anime since mid-90s I watch 20+ anime a season and have fun doing so. I don't think IBO was terrible and don't regret watching it, but it was just, I don't know, bland?

It had some nice concepts, it had some nice characters, it had some nice character arcs, it had some nice soundtracks, it had some nice models, but most of it was just mediocre, uninteresting or downright annoying. The thing that annoys me the most is that I really liked the original premise and it could have been a genuinely great show but they just fucked it up somehow with all the boring bullshit.

Maybe because it's the newest TV Gundam so my impression of it is still pretty fresh.

>>14323695
I had pretty shit taste back then but I remember liking Destiny up until Kira killed Stella.

>>14323639
>Destiny
Was fun to laugh at because of how awful it was.

IBO doesn't manage to get that part funny.

>>14323806
Destiny up to Stella's death is no good yet not so bad. The second cour overall is tolerable.

This was legitmately one of the worst Gundam series ever.

>>14321511
Moar please.

>>14320645
>Dude what are you waiting for fucking watch it man

Getting a job,man.
All I can do is to sneakily post on /m/

>>14323848
seconded

>>14323848
Yes it was, and they are still making more.

>>14321511
Are there any good Kudelia doujins, or even that dropped the ball?

>>14323654
>_fags only exist because it's the newest [mecha] and they're newcomers to the mecha genre and/or _ franchise

Saving this fresh pasta for future use.

>>14324107
The only IBO doujin I fought to be good is the one where Hitler fucks Fumitan. The rest are pretty terrible and even that one isn't translated.

>>14324157
N-name of doujin plz?

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>people thought he would survive till S2 with no other motivation besides crank
>he DID kill an orphan just one that wasn't a named character.
>the Barbatos was still the better machine, McGillis knew that and gave him an upscaled Graze.

Should've survived S1 and become a construction Graze in S2.

>>14323170
Patrick annoyed me in the film, but everything in the film was annoying

>>14323363
Tomino dialogue has character

The pacing absolutely kills this series when watching weekly. There's like one cour worth of story stretched to two, bloated with padding.

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>>14323363
Tomino dialogue has its ups and downs but the ups are great and the downs are still charming in their own way.

>>14323441
How could you forget KUDELIA SUGOI, CRANK-NII, and FAMILY?

>>14323691

Mika literally pushed himself to the limits, same with what happened with Akihiro during his last stand against Strenja's army but because Mika was at the absolute limits of the AV System he winds up paying a big price beyond standard excessive feedback nosebleed

>>14318374
>I just want to better understand why it's so hated
Because it aint MY gundam!

>>14327059
It's not good Gundam, not good mecha, not good anime, and not good entertainment.

>>14319755
Geez, like in the show it was alright, not nearly as cool as the giant freaking club it had in the beginning, but that model of it looks awful.

>>14325160
Well, Patrick wasn't what was wrong with the film. I personally liked him as a running gag.

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>>14323177
Reality doesn't make interesting fiction. This is one of the greatest fallacies I see of people trying to defend IBO. "Carta god slaughtered because she was an idiot who wanted a fair duel in a war," is such a dumbass excuse. She may have been stupid but at least she had some color to her. But she didn't belong in the show, and it was stupid to put her in there. The dedicate time to building her character and motive for no fucking reason, because it never pays off. So many of the defenses I see of IBO are from an in-world point of justification, which doesn't mean shit from a critical perspective. It doesn't matter how gritty and realistic it is if it doesn't prove a point, move the story along, or do shit, and it seems that Carta was introduced and built up solely to kill a character and then get offed. This is less an argument against your point, and more just pointing out that justifying bad writing with in-universe explainations is fucking retarded.

>>14327152
Nobody's arguing that it was a retarded idea to write her in, because it was. We're just saying that it isn't really unbelievable. Yes, it was offensive and stupid, but when someone brought up muh trained soldiers we argued otherwise.

>It doesn't matter how gritty and realistic it is if it doesn't prove a point, move the story along, or do shit
Although that's not necessarily true, I agree with the rest of it. Not talking about IBO at all but sometimes being gritty is just for the sake of being gritty and that's not bad.

>>14327152
>Reality doesn't make interesting fiction
No but solid knowledge about reality is the only way to craft good fiction. Obviously the people in charge of IBO are completely oblivious about anything unrelated to anime/manga.

>>14325180
Brain Powerd is a thing of beauty.

>>14326812
I gave up after one cour, picked it back up to marathon the rest once it was done airing, then gave up again after 4 episodes. Not only the show is sluggish, it's also substanceless and stupid, which could be tolerable if it didn't take itself so seriously.

>>14327328
Don't forget Garzey's Wing

>>14327374
Garzey's Wing doesn't have Jonathan Glenn.

>>14318374
The animation is pretty shit, and the plot moves VERY slow.

..but when the animation is done right, it's pretty good. The mech design's great.

>>14318374
It's good. /m/ just hates everything

>>14322532
>It's all subjective anyway but nobody on 4chan is smart enough to know what an opinion is, let alone have one of their own.

Well, that's your opinion.
That you posted on 4chan.

PARADOX...

>>14323578
No because G-Reco had 26 episodes

It needs more gay boys

Tomino dialog is good when there's someone to do decent story editing, I watched King Gainer recently and the beginning of it gave me G Reco vibes, the dialogue was clearly left up to Tomino but still felt somewhat natural.

What I don't get is how people get so confused at cockpit scenes(the ones that always get meme'd). Since the mid 80's it's always been characters sitting alone in a box confused at what's going on in front of them. If they're talking directly to another character you'll know it.

>>14324157
Literal Hitler, or the paunchy Hitler clone from the series?

Cause with doujins, I could believe either.

>>14329784
Take a wild guess.

For me it was bad. I dont have anything to say because whatever i wanted to say was already said in the thread. It wasnt even that kind of bad you laugh at. Every episode got progressively a drag to finish and left me annoyed and pissed if anything.

>>14321511
Anime was a mistake. Because of yout kind.

>>14323363
Is there a person who doesnt like a beautiful thing?

>>14327152
What >>14327173 said. I only pointed out you were wrong on one point, no need to ramble on and on, IBO has tons of real flaws you don't have to make up imaginary ones just because your hemorrhoids start popping whenever you see a thread about it.