Muv-Luv

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Mines hasn't arrived yet
I just want my Iris tapestry

>>13564942

Still waiting for them to get on KimiMuv and Haiburu II.

>>13564942

>that succubus voice
>that sex hair
>those bedroom eyes
>those breasts
>those breeding hips

She's just too fucking hot. I want to penetrate her so badly. I want to fuck her raw, more so than any other Mabu Rabu.

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>>13565027
> penetrate her so badly

for you, anon.
do it.

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>>13565185

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>>13566082

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Did anyone here played it?

>>13566177
Jesus, how bad did it flop?

Where can I get this, I've always wanted to try it out.

>>13566185
I don't know how long it was running.
They probably shutting down so people start playing the new muv luv game on dmm.

>>13566185

Either they've milked the end out of it or I just couldn't compete with the dozens of other mobage out there.

>>13566189
http://www.mbga.jp/_game_intro?game_id=12017192

Get this for chrome - User-Agent Switcher for Chrome, with that you can play it on PC.


That's the new one http://www.dmm.com/netgame_s/muvluvsf/

>>13564942
>>>/jp/
This shit doesn't belong here.

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>>13566209
>mecha franchise
>doesn't belong to /m/
gr8 b8 m8

>>13566177
was too hardcore too be competitive in the event, even kouki said it during a streaming i stop played it after i went top 50 one time

>>13566222

In what sense? Too much RNG combined with too little gatcha tickets without burning a fat stack of cash?

Since as a player I know BF Global is often compared negatively to JPGB in terms of their giveaways even after they've improved plenty.

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>>13566222
Best thing i had was something around rank 400, i dont know how many AP drinks i burned for that.

>>13566224
You can buy mobacoins for exclusive gatcha or kill some beta to get normal gatcha points and roll with that which actually gave me a good amount of SSR cards.

>Ikaruga Takatsugu I will burn his cards for sure before the game ends

>>13566239
I gave up shortly after starting the game because of too many things on plate. New one looks like it has a better battle system.

I say LOOKS because I've only given it a few glances.

>>13566224
too much effort, little compensation for rank 50 i played all days for the whole week buring a shit tons of consumable, and still i couldn't reach more becouse someone was boting or wasn't liveing for playing 24/24

>>13566196
I was talking about Schwarzesmarken

>>13566269
Buy the game.Torrent

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Chinese guy gave me the summary for Chapter 4.

Chapter 4 -1972

Jürgen was sent to USSR to learn aboutall about TSFs. While testing/training he found the F-4R was not good at close combat, because needed to input/calculate two or three more actions than necessary due to shoddy programming. However, he found that if he turned off auto-balancer ,the F-4R would be far more sensitive but also easier to tumble. He reported it up to the Soviets and hoped the MIG-21 would solve this problem.

The USSR promised that they would supply at least 4 to at most 12 F-4R to Jürgen and the DDR, even though they were also suffering a shortage of TSFs. This convinced Jürgen, that the DDR can only rely on homemade TSFs to satisfy their supply needs. After rubbing elbows and politicking (Jürgen's special power), he got permission from the Soviets to build TSF factories.

East Germany had some serious obstacles however, and didn't even a own tank or plane factory. The first would be lack of money.

He remembered that Beatrix told him that her father, Able, was the senior officer of economics and held much sway in the People's Assembly, so he decided to use some of his charisma on Mr. Brehme to support him on his TSF plan.

The USSR ended up using too many nuclear weapons against the BETA as the became more and more desperate. This caused a nuclear winter to hit Europe. Food supplies dwindled, and citizens who lived in Middle Asia ran to Moscow.

Easy Germany was also affected by this. People couldn't find fresh food in supermarkets.

When the BETA landed, the US and USSR were forced to publish information about them, and suffered some heavy criticisms when it was revealed they've known since 1967 about the BETA.


>On Katia's father

Major general Strachwitz is a funny person and loved his daughter (Katia, but for now Ursula) too much. When he first met Jürgen at the USSR welcome party, he showed his little girl's photograph to Jürgen, then every other Soviet official there.

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>>13566560

So Alfred is basically Muv Luv's version of pic related. I can get behind that.

Also, holy shit Jürgen is awesome. Of course best girl would get the best boy. Is Theo even trying?

>>13566621
>Is Theo even trying
of course not, his life is shit

>>13566647

Jürgen's pretty much the anti-Theo. He grew up with his physical needs taken care of, but never had anyone but his sister around. Unlike Theo, he hated his parents (especially his mother), compared to Theo who had a very warm and caring family. It's interesting how the two almost completely foil one another. Theo's nervous, Jürgen's charismatic; Theo's paranoid, Jürgen's rationale; Theo fell in love with Iris, Jürgen fell in love with Beatrix, and so on. I wonder how they would've interacted if they ever met.

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>>13566679

>rationale
rational

>>13566209
If only

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Aren't Pham's boobs supposed to be bigger?

>>13566697
Did they rebuild that shit or did it magically survive 2 nukes?

>>13566679
They'd probably be either best buds or sworn enemies
MUH NAKAMA

>>13566866
Theo would fucking hate Jürgen for being better than him in pretty much everything

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>>13566679
>>13566866

Jürgen would likely be a colonel by the time SM kicks off. Theo would probably end up hero-worshiping him. If they were around one another, Theo would look up to him as a role model or older brother figure until he learned of his connections to the establishment / Beatrix. I think Jürgen would reciprocate up until Theo started showing interest in Iris, then things would get hairy.

>>13564942
Where are her nipples?

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>>13566940

Not on the character sprites for some reason. Erect nipples are in the game though.

>>13566940
Moobrubs have no nurples. Only pointy pokey things occasionally.

>>13566185
>>13566192
It wasn't even a proper mobage, just a browser game for mobile.

>>13566940

Wait until the DLC.

How much thyroid cancer is there in Berlin in SM?

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http://g.e-hentai.org/g/877518/7924378fd1/
woo cg

>Eta 20 minutes
Happening
It's going to be disappointing

>>13567177
Expect something and you will be disappointed.

>>13567177
>>13567183

Hope is the first step on the path of disappointment.

>>13564942
any new stuff translated since chronicles TDA01?

>>13567211

Nope.

>>13567214
then what is there to talk about?

>>13567220
Schwarzesmarken

>>13567220

Trashing the new VN and waifuing dead krauts.

>>13567220
The usual cancer

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I just got done cleaning this last night and KnG goes and uploads an even better version. Guess I know what I'll be doing for the next hour in GIMP.

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So, why are there US TSFs in East Germany?

>>13567224
did that get translated?

>>13567293
Because Berlin?

>>13567293
Operation REFORGER?

>>13567235
I bet she buttered her cooch, that crazy bitch.

Why didnt the superior make flying beta for easier transportation?

>>13567395
Because BETA can dig a straight tunnel from point A to point B. Nothing's gonna top that.

>>13567344
Why would that matter? You can't into moonrunes?

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where's my Gekishin kit, kotobukiya? you know everyone wants this fatso

>>13567412
Which class does the digging anyway?

>>13567433

All of them, but I think the giant worms are implied to be the main diggers.

>>13567436
Where does the dirty go with all those BETA inside it?

>>13567433
>>13567436
the worms appear to be the one that does those massive tunnels

>>13567414
Indeed, I cannot read Japanese.

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>>13567235

And done. I'm thinking about applying a smoothing filter to Beatrix, see how she turns out.

>>13567393

The important question is, would you still eat her out?

>>13567566
You need to ask something so Obvious?

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>>13566838
Irisdina
23-year-old 172cm B93 W58 H87

-Liz
18-year-old 160cm B88 W57 H86

-Katya
15 years old 155cm B75 W56 H81

-Annette
18-year-old 163cm B81 W57 H81

-Gretel
20-year-old 165cm B75 W56 H80

-Pham
22-year-old 168cm B97 W64 H93

Sizes for Slywia and Beatrix have yet to be found.

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>>13567566

Alright done. Kept the wolf's graininess as I think it suits it. Took a little longer than expected, but I think it turned out alright. If there's anything you think I could touch up, just tell me.

>>13567131
>http://g.e-hentai.org/g/877518/7924378fd1/
>non-H
literally who cares

>>13567722
>literally who cares
What the fuck is going on, what happened to this place?
Is that all you play Muv-luv for, the porn? Are you shitting me?

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non scale fucking never

>>13567235
That wolf is maximum bueno

>>13567642
i looked for the mesurament of the trilogy, found nothing, what a shame

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>>13567892
This is a game CG? It looks like Pixiv art. The shading on the TSFs are rather flat compared to (for example) this

>tfw the intro already hurt me
Oh boy we're in for a ride

>>13567892
we might get them if they appear in the anime
either way, I'm getting Iris and Beatrix non scale MiGs next february and march

>those insert songs
Fucking kek, is the score by Sawano?

>>13567836
Do you just play Muv-Luv for pretty pictures with no writing or plot?

>>13568239
>if
Do you think they'd make 3D models for them if they weren't

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>Japanese wiki from LN times has Zhar squadron with Su-37s, Zhelezo squadron with Su-27s, and Nastassia as Zhar-2

>anime has one Su-37 and a pile of Su-27s with Nastassia as Zhar-2

>game shows a bunch of both but has a shot of Su-37s during Zhelezo squadron dialogue, however it could also be meant as Latrova listening to her subordinates
>Nastassia is Zhelezo-1

Oh so there is some 3D cuts, hopefully there's a lot more

Also OST rip where? It's awesome, I totally expected the same old music they used for a decade

>>13568379
>I totally expected the same old music they used for a decade
Why the fuck would you, it was obvious they'd bum off the anime OST like TE again.

>>13568390
Right, I forget about TE

>>13567131
>starts with like a hundred pages of title cards
This is muvluv alright

>>13568285
where's my gekishit or fubiki kit then?

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>>13567708

Didn't catch the messup below her belly button. Should be fixed now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqXuftJdA0Y
>still no download for Gun Hazard
It's not fair

>>13567892
I can feel the value of my A3 Tomcat rising steadily now...

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>>13568650
I don't think so
the Tomcat is one of the cheapest A3 out there for some reason, despite being fucking great, dem missiles

>>13568658
Shut up I'm trying to delude myself into thinking I can get a profit pawning my steel turkey off on eBay or something.

I'm strapped for cash and never really liked the limited articulation on it, as gorgeous as it is sculptwise.

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>>13568668
the articulation of the A3 suck royal balls
Robot Damashii version when?

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>>13568565

>>13568565
man, I'll take literally any 3d game where we can control a TSF

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So I'm just skimming through the prologue right now, I really wish I could understand nipspeak right now. This music is absolutely magnificent and the action is quite good, did Kouki seriously blow some actual money into this VN?

>>13569102

They went for quality over quantity in SM. You can do some amazing shit if your VN is only 15-18 hours long, versus something like Alternate.

>>13569102
>>13569120
Minus the whole everybody is a giraffe thing

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>>13569102
>90% of the art assets are just copied from the anime or LN
Sure, of course he did.

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>>13569132

What happened? Owl Owl's proportions have usually been pretty good in the past and definitely better than Carnelian..

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>>13569132
So standard Muv-Luv?

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>>13569156

I wish I would've got to see more of Owl Owl's rendition of Beatrix rather than just recolored Carnelian art.

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>don't use hypnotic suggestion or drugs
>pilots all freak out and run away in the face of BETA
>kick them all out of the test squad and replace them
>proceed to be hopeless cannon fodder in mock battle tournament
Africa please you are bad at this.

Please tell me she doesn't die I wanna waifu her And yeah I've never played Muv Luv before but I totally have the interest to.

>>13569930
Beatrix? She dies at your hands bro. She's the bad guy in SM.

Doesn't really stop you from waifuing her though.

>>13569932
Thanks for the no spoilers asshole.

>>13567227
But my Meiya isn't cancer. Shitmika is cancer though.

>>13567836
What the fuck did you expect nigger? If you've been paying attention for any period in the past three years you would know that the H is why everyone is here. I mean fuck, waifuwars and waifufaggotry are literally the du jour for Muv-Luv threads. Be glad you can't smell the cum and body odor on these dakimuras; you'd forever associate it with the fanbase.

>>13570095
All waifuwars is mostly on /a/ here in /m/ it's usually about mecha and side stories. But i have to admit i don't lurk these thread like i used to so maybe it has changed.

>>13569930
Nigga it's fucking muv luv, 95% of waifus dies horribly.

What are people talking about? It's not out yet...

>>13570173
Except the VN came out last friday.

>>13570233
Which one?

>>13570236
First of Schwarzesmarken VNs.

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>>13564942
Why is Kouki teasing us with official art marking the comeback of erect nipples and doing this in the same time ?

>>13570241
Doing what ?

>>13570243
No nipples.

>>13564942
Why the fuck is there a gaussian blur on her face ?

>>13570111
It's not really changed that much, it's just that all the /m/ stuff has been discussed a number of times already because we don't have the whole of IW translated so we only have what's on the wiki to discuss, which isn't that much.

>>13569932

Waifus dying are one thing, but waifus dying by my own hand, unacceptable! It's going to suck when I get to the finale and have to listen to Beatrix's death gasps and moans as my knife gouges out her stomach.

>>13567642
Is Irisdina really 23 years old? As far as I remember, in "Bernhard im Schatten" both she and Beatrix are highschool students. That means they were at least 15-18 years old in 1972. In 1983 they are 26-29 years old. Am I right?

>>13570460
I find it funny for Irisdina to lie about her age so she don't feel like a Christmas cake.

>>13568565
http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=fmgh

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>>13570460
Haha damn that's great

>>13568471
in the same non existant void as the non scale Berkut

>>13570241
Because the art with nips is reused from before they stopped doing it.

You see, they're a poor company and will reuse whatever they can to cut costs.

Is it wrong that everytime I see Beatrix I want to kill and die by her command?

>>13570697
Nah M8, It means you have good taste.

What is the appeal of Irisdina ? Except the blonde with big tits she isn't really as interesting as Beatrix. I admit i didn't play nor read any material so i might be wrong but for me ,for now, she is too bland for me to care whereas Beatrix her shenanigans is more entertaining.

I have finished the Schwarzesmarken Kouketsu no Monshou.

The BGM is pretty good. The story is good as well because it only includes first three volumes of the novel, no stupid political conflicts.

But Theodor is not full voice, and most CGs are just copied from novel. These are not good.

>>13570870
>All these lies

I bet you thought I'd fall for them nigger

Story is all that matters anyway !

>>13570870
>and most CGs are just copied from novel. These are not good.

Was there any other reasonable expectation? They've been stretching two series in a row into multi-format production (novel, VN, TE has its anime), it's natural they'll reuse as many resources as possible to get the largest returns.

>>13570527
I don't think that was a thing among ossies.

>>13570574
This is mean.

>>13569070
What about a strategy game ? I'm on it though it's far from complete, and will probably first be 2D for all the dev tests.

>>13570870
>it only includes first three volumes of the novel
Wait wat?
Are they planning to release the rest of the story in another game?

>>13568565
>still

You can stop to hope. They are not doing it anymore.

>>13571014
Yes, the VN will be in two parts.

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>>13570460

No, they're both middle-schoolers at the start of BiS.

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>>13570381

She deserves it. Her dying painfully was a good thing.

>>13570697

She has that effect on people in-story too, so clearly the writers and artists are doing something right.

>>13570870

That pretty much lines up with the critiques I've seen up on Futaba and Amazon. The amount of content really leaves a lot to be desired.

>>13570835

That's usually how it plays out when comparing main heroines to the side cast.

Beatrix has a far more interesting design than Iris (and really any of the girls), but that's pretty normal for main villains. From a waifu point of view though, Iris destroys her. Beatrix is one of the most evil characters in Muv Luv and is responsible for 95% of the misery the main characters end up going through. The Japanese agree; Iris is still the undisputed queen of SM over there.

>>13571009
I want to pilot a TSF man, to fly around doing maneuvers and filling BETA with bullets

TSF cockpit sim when

>>13571146
easy man
you will be stuck in a slow ass Gekishit forever

>>13571146
TSF sim with Oculus support and custom Steel Battalion-like pad when.

>>13571153
I would literally not mind that at all, I am a fanatic over TSFs in general.

>>13571156
Never ;_;

>>13571074
So.. is she still faking her age or not?

>>13571187

No she's not. She's already the oldest girl in the main cast though (yes, even older than Beato) .

>>13571161
>>13571156

Is the actual cockpit realistic though ? I mean, they pilot a TSF basically with two joysticks and pedals outside of side-functions switchs. Could you really do all the moves with only that ? Is there something on this in IW or anywhere else, or is it just âge doing approximative things again ( Like the HUD ) ?

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>>13570381

Forcing your knife into her cockpit as she tries to fight you off is the closest thing you'll get to a sex scene with her.

;_;

>>13571233

Is that the only picture of Beatrix's last fight? Volume VII was never scanned, so I've always wondered if there was more.

>>13571204
part of a TSF's movement is lmost a mental connection with the pilot, isn't it? that's why the controls are simplistic or I could be completely wrong

>>13571285
So sim never ever then, unless we get better at mental control ?

>>13571285
They're basically Virtual-On controls.

>>13571285
>part of a TSF's movement is lmost a mental connection with the pilot, isn't it?

Pretty sure that's BattleTech you're thinking of.

>>13571285
It's indirect thought control by means of heuristic analysis of brainwaves, and on a per-pilot basis it improves over time the more data the machine gathers to work with and interpret.

This is distinct from the 00 Unit's direct thought control of the XG-70.

>>13571334
close enough

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>>13570835

Bland heroines and glamorous villainesses are the norm in Japanese media.

>>13571233
is that red TSF Beatrix MiG-27?

>>13571406

Yeah. I think she copied Jürgen's color scheme.

just how much of the novels the SM anime will cover?

>>13571406

Between taking on tons of rebels, stress and sleep deprivation, and getting ganged up on by half the 666, Beato was pretty much done. Her TSF was severely damaged and even missing an arm when Theo encountered her. She still ended up putting up one hell of a fight though. That particular image is from when Theo was moving in to coup de grace her.

I can't stand Gretel at all already, does she ever fuck off?

>>13571466

>coup de gracing downed opponents

Why is Theo such a bitch?

>>13571466
wat a fucking faggot
Theo is pretty much the worst MC of the entire franchise

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>>13571470

Kinda. She's better in the sidestories and in the later volumes, but being a bitch is just her personality type.

>>13571484
>faggot kills best girl
yeah no shit
did Iris ever gave a fuck about him or only used his ass as she needed for her plans?

>>13571484
>wat a fucking faggot

Yes, let the crazy torturer Stasi lady live, that'll fix everything.

>>13571504
Because letting the crazy rebel do his shit totally saved Germany.

>>13571489
>sidestories
Any chance we'll ever see those in the second part?

>>13571484
>>13571473

Beatrix and the stasi had done so many fucked up things to him and his friends by that point. Beatrix herself was personally responsible for killing several 666 members and this isn't even getting into the torture or (from his PoV) manipulating Lise against him.

You'd probably ended up doing the same in his situation.

>>13571504
>>13571508
both sides were totally fucked in the head and Germany was doomed since the start
those BETA miners would have kept pushing disregarding commies and EU faggots

>>13571519
I would have probably been with the Stasi there personnaly.

>>13571522
At least they would have tanked some other years if they didn't broke the army apart.

Rebels should have ended like Sagiri.

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>>13571500

Iris loved him, but probably not as much as he loved her. It is telling that the thing she's concerned with when he gets back to rebel HQ is if he made sure Beatrix was dead.

>>13571522
>Germany was doomed since the start
this is what gets me in SM
the BETA are the main threat and despite that, they don't seem to give much of a thought about their offensive
the whole thing dwells on fucking around and betraying stasi and rebels stirring shit, without either side realizing how royally fucked they are due to the aliens

>>13571528
>the thing she's concerned with when he gets back to rebel HQ is if he made sure Beatrix was dead.
hahahaha

>>13571531
That's all of Muv-Luv in a nutshell, though. Humans fucking other humans over instead of uniting against obvious extinction.

>>13571551
This.
Humanity is retarded and hopefully for them, BATERs too.

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>>13571526

>I would have probably been with the Stasi there personnaly.

You're only saying that because of Beatrix. The stasi are not pleasant people. I'd probably tell both sides to fuck off.

>>13571531

Beatrix cares a great deal actually. 2 posts from the 2ch threads:

ベアトリクスは対BETA、人類全体を優先して東ドイツを犠牲にしようとした。あとこれも上で書いてあったが、ベアトリクスの思想とは何を優先するかの違いってのは まさしくその通りだと思う。で、その逆に、人類全体よりドイツを優先した結果がテロドールじゃないかと。

ベアトリクスでさえ人類の勝利を願ってたわけで、マスターのあの行動が人類か東ドイツを救うための 行動だとしても驚かないな。

Beatrix's plan was to use the East as a buffer while the West fucked off somewhere else.To her, it was basic triage. Sacrifice most of East Germany for a chance at survival (and bring along as many other survivors as possible) and then form a unified Germany elsewhere. She was freaking out during the rebellion and was trying to show the West/UN that she still had the situation under control (which is why she was so fucking brutal in the final volumes). To her, the BETA wars were more than just about Germany's survival, but about humanities survival.

Iris and the rest of the 666 opposed the plan on moral/nationalistic grounds (plan called for significant Ossie death). She is an idealist after all, and thinks they have a chance against the aliens if only the East and West would unite and those damn stasi would get out of the way.

Beatrix isn't completely evil. She did let Gretel's BF go when she found that it was his parents were dragging him along (vs Axmann who'd just torture the hell out of you just because).

>>13571585

Source for those who doubt me: http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1393851260/

Basically, Theo a shit for prioritizing East Germany and ruining everything.

>>13571585
>>13571624

A couple more from the 2ch threads (http://toro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1396788592/):

ベアトリクス
ラスボス。「ラスボスは最初に出しておくべき」を守って描いた。彼女の意見も正義だと思う。アイリスより人類全体を考えているかも。

Basically talks about how Beatrix had it right and Iris was wrong. Beatrix was just in the way she acted, and her putting the totality of humankind was better than Iris who put Germany first.

の、自らの死を救いに感じる描写からすると、
ベアトリクスは信念を抱いて苛烈に生きていたものの、
根っからの悪人ではなく、そうせざるをえなかった人生を重荷に感じていたんだな。

Basically states that Beatrix was forced into her role by the shittiness of her world, and that given a choice, she probably wouldn't be evil.

(from http://hello.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1413607950/)

大体想像ついたよ テオ ドイツ>世界 ベア ドイツ<世界

Theo: Germany>World Beato: Germany<World (referring to the final battle/conversation between the two, where Theo rejects Beatrix's pleas)


So that's what the Japs think of everything.

>>13568700
BRING BACK BALLJOINTS

>>13571779
revoltechs?
FUCK YOU

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Woah, choices? Do they actually do anything
Playing the little bitch here would be definitely more in Theo's character

>>13571856

One executes Katia (and leads to a game over), the other saves her.

>>13571856
didn't one choice gets you immediately killed?

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>>13571585
>>13571710

This is all pretty rage inducing.

>>13571870
>>13571869
What the fuck was the point

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>>13571888

The illusion of choice...

Really, if you want routes and detours, you'll just have to wait until the second VN. Many of the choices in the game or either do this or die choices.

>>13570380
Wait did you Degica sacks of cash thinking you were going to get significantly more TSF shit?

The primary volume of shit in IW that's not on the wiki is interviews and a short story and crap.

>>13571531
Basically all the sidestories are mostly irrelevant as far as the war with the BETA goes so they're crammed with more Coup arc shit. From the start the alien invasion was really largely an excuse for an international scale war without America and Russia nuking everyone into the ground anyways, but the problem is the political stuff is not really good enough to carry a good plot and ends up getting the emphasis when they skimp on actual character writing. Kamchatka game version is really impressively shit for that reason.

>>13571888
So you can't say there's no choices, mostly.

>>13571894
Kek

So the next game will get actual routes? Great

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>>13571908

Yeah, three main routes

http://otakomu.jp/archives/280146.html

Also, did anyone get to Katia's photo burning yet? I don't think I can bring myself to do it. It's all she has left of her father.

>>13571906
>The primary volume of shit in IW that's not on the wiki is interviews and a short story and crap.
There's also a whole chapter on the HI-MAERF and the Santa Fe project.

>>13571710
>>13571624
>>13571585
So, tell me, what do the Jap fanbase think of great bushido Sagiri for putting Japan>World, and Meiya for agreeing with his view point? Hmmmmm?

>>13571949
Why do you talk like a faggot

>>13571949

Depends on their politics. I'd imagine some of them might sympathize with his nationalism, but be against the methods (in other words, Meiya's stance), while most others would oppose it. Most 2channers hold the same view we do, that humanity should stop fucking around and do something about the BETA.

Also, even the (mainlander) Chinese were ripping into Iris for being nationalistic/naive:

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3705547846

>>13571992
Dude I want a global war against baters with humanity retaking moon and mars with giant spacebattle.
It will never happen though.

>>13571965
>Most 2channers hold the same view we do, that humanity should stop fucking around and do something about the BETA.
Oh, is that the view we hold? From the kind if threads we have you'd think our view is that I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE RAPTOR,
AND TO THE DOMINION FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE WORLD UNDER AMERICA, INDESTRUCTIBLE, WITH NUKES AND G-BOMBS FOR ALL COMMUNISTS

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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>>13568159
It is game CG.

>>13572018
To ve fair the Raptor is real fucking nice.

so what was lyz' role in all this? just a pawn?

so much suffering for nothing

>>13571710
Why does Theo like Germany so much, it's a dump.

Like, if you ask someone which country in Western Europe they would want to go to for a holiday, they'd say France or Spain or Italy or Belgium even Greece, nobody would say Germany.

>>13572043
Even third worlders love their country. It's pride.

>>13572037

Her role was mostly done after the betrayal. Beatrix was originally going to task someone else with hunting down Theo, but Lise volunteered for it, against Beato's wishes.

>>13572043

It's not so much that he loves Germany he tried to emigrate to the West with his parents after all, it's that he loves Iris very much, and Iris loves Germany very much (ergo, he loves Germany).

>>13572052
good grief he fucking lost everything
- family
- sister
- Iris
- Germany (kek)

>>13572052
So what was she trying to accomplish there? I thought she loved Theo, now she's going to kill him?

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>>13572060

Four reasons:

Too try to convince Theo to join her side

If he had to die, she was going to be the one to do it (and then probably commit suicide later)

Anger because he'd picked Iris over her. He even had the nerve to take HER dream she had told him of living in a certain house with him, and replace HER spot in it with Irisdina.

Because she was going fucking nuts.

>>13572077
poor imouto

>>13572077
>Anger because he'd picked Iris over her. He even had the nerve to take HER dream she had told him of living in a certain house with him, and replace HER spot in it with Irisdina.
Theo is kind of a scumbag desu senpai. This shit is like the kind of plagiarism the devil partakes in.

>>13572077
>replace HER spot in it with Irisdina.
man wat a dick

>>13572077

I'm going to definitely take the Beatrix/Lise route in the 2nd VN. I'll try to take Katia along, but I'll definitely leave her behind if I have too.

>>13571585
>Sacrifice most of East Germany for a chance at survival (and bring along as many other survivors as possible) and then form a unified Germany elsewhere.
But the DDR is a key final defense line with rivers providing natural defensible positions. If Germany falls to the BETA it provides a staging ground from which they can launch attacks into France from which they can threaten Britain and therefore shipping from America, across the Alps into Italy from which they can threaten access the Mediterranean and therefore shipping through the Suez Canal, north into Denmark letting them hit the Scandinavian Peninsula from two fronts, and so on. It should be very much in everyone's interests to keep the DDR intact, not give it up.

>>13572085
>>13572092
>>13572098
come on guys, that girl sounds like a fucking crazy Theo obsessed psycho, no wonder he dumped her

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>>13569070
>>13571146
Just play Armored Core and pretend it's a TSF sim. That's what I do since we don't have any choices...

>>13572113

Not if they all run off to Australia. And fuck France. Germany doesn't need France. What has France done but sit on there asses and try to act like the BETA aren't there?

>>13572114

Theo is Iris obsessed. Also, Lise put up with Axmann for so long partly because if she didn't he would've gone after Theo. She sacrificed more than any other girl for Theo and he ends up executing her as a show of loyalty to the other rebels (and this despite Katia, Annete, and Gretel being opposed to it)

>>13572114
She was taken away by the stasi and he assumed they killed her.

>>13572129
Nevermind her last words, goddamn. All that suffering for nothing.

>>13572129
talk about rewarding!
tell me at least Theo felt like complete shit after that

>>13572139

Yeah he did. Katia made him feel even worse when she talked to him later about it.

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Theo's such a shitbag.

>>13572148
couldn't even give her his dick before that

>>13572156
>>13572148
sounds like this guy did EVERYTHING wrong
surprising he survived such a shitfest

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>>13572158

They aren't even blood related.

>>13572159
to be fair, the male leads only survive if they do everything wrong.

>>13572163
did he love her back at least? I think I read somewhere that he did, or at least didn't think of her as just his sister.

>>13572173
So just him then, right? Because he is the only who survived his story to the end.

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>>13572173

You can actually pic the right hoices in the VN. In fact, one of the complaints in an Amazon review I read was that you can circumvent a lot of the hopelessness if you play Theo right (thus destroying the meticulously crafted atmosphere of the LN).

Theo should've definitely banged that imouto though. Hell, he might've even got Beatrix in on a three way.

>>13571522
>both sides were totally fucked in the head and Germany was doomed since the start
You know what's funny about all this?

One of the TSFiAs mentioned American A-10s being called into hold the line vs the BETA while Germany was evacuating its citizens, and that they did to the last TSF.

>>13572182
Takeru survived, in a fashion because of quantum bullshit. Yuuya survived until Ouka at least.

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>>13572182

Annete, Katia, Theo, and probably Gretel

>>13572182

When they were younger.

>>13572182
I'm pretty sure Anette and Katia survive

>>13572193
>>13572195
I was talking about Male leads.
>>13572191
Well that version of Takeru ceased to exist in that world so he's dead in the Alternative world at any rate. Yuuya instead got ambiguous ending. Neither of those two were as bad as this guy.

>>13572114
On the contrary, she was barely holding it. Someone in her position should have already either gone insane and get put down, committed suicide, or not even care about anyone and anything anymore.

Remember, she was forcibly taken from Theo, raped, drugged, tortured, and brainwashed into a Stasi operative, and the only reason she hasn't yet lost it was because as long as she obeyed, they wouldn't touch Theo.

And then all this happens and she finds that she has one final chance to see Theo again and try to convince him to join her, or end his life.

Unfortunately, Theo's become too obsessed with Iris; possibly having already substituted her in place of Lise in his mind.

>>13572159
Doesn't this all result in Theo becoming the Master and wanting to just end humanity as a whole?

Or was that theory disproven?

>>13572210
We don't know yet. They both have red hair and share a VA but that's it right now. ATM it sounds like Theo's a broken man at the end. It's possible he becomes the Master but we don't know what happens to him yet.

>>13572209
funny reading this because he hates her big time at the beginning

>>13572209

>possibly having already substituted her in place of Lise in his mind.

That's more of Katia's role.

>or end his life.

Beatrix was actually opposed to making her do it (she was worried about Lise's mental state). It was Lise who insisted and pressed Beatrix on the matter, and Beatrix was like "What the hell", if she can convince him, good on her / for me, if she can't, well she'll probably get him anyways (I did train her), and if he wins, well here's some false info to bait the rebels into a trap.

so what happens to the stasi guy that took lyz in the first place

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>>13572255

His name's Heinze Axmann. He's also responsible for screwing up Beatrix. He shoots Gretel, then leaves her in a burning building before going off to try and kill Katia and Iris (but only managed to get Iris). It's what Iris gets for dealing with a snake like him.

>>13572255
>>13572272

He gets away with everything.

>>13572277
seriously? that's bullshit

>>13572272
so iris deals with a stasi dude worse than beatrix? what a hypocritical bitch. I hope she or Theo didn't know he was responsible for what happened to lyz

>>13572190
FUCK YEAH MURRICA
too bad they had to defend such a shithole country, no wonder they think about doing the same thing again twice in the future

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>>13572283

He was on the rebel side at the time (he was one of the heads of the Berlin Faction Stasi). He was giving out intel and even promised Iris Beatrix's head on a platter. Both those girls can be absolutely horrible when dealing with one another.

>>13572294
yeah but if they knew he was the one who took away lyz, then holy shit they both got what they deserved for dealing with him

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>>13572299

Well, Theo knew, but Iris didn't. If Iris knew half the shit the guy was up too, she would've been trying to kill him instead of Beatrix.

>>13572299
both die due to their retarded personal vendetta against each other, royally fucking Germany and the 666 members over the process

>>13572299

Theo didn't know they were dealing with Axmann, otherwise he would've flipped out.

>>13572121
Which AC is that? The ammo count on the rifle seems kind of low.

>>13572272
How exactly did Axemann screw up Beatrix?

We know he did quite a bit to Lise. But I don't recall seeing much info on how Beatrix became so twisted.

Also, can someone tell me how accurate the general details posted in http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Garmoe/Schwarzesmarken_Spoilers are?

rip iris-beatrix-lyz foursome

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>>13572318
Armored Core 2: Another Age

>>13572358
Maybe SM Extra will be 18+

Fuck germanshit, what do you guys think about TDA?

>>13572358
SM: Altered Fable
Side Jurgen: Jurgen and a drunk Beatrix proceed to have sex, but Irisdina barges in, equally drunk, and it becomes a 3-some.

Side Theo: Theo and Lise have slow, passionate, and loving sex in the missionary position out of love and a mutual desire to procreate.

Axemann becomes the school's trolling principal who pits classes and students against each other for the purpose of building up the best students and athletes.

>>13572356

He was her "teacher".

>>13572356

The preface tells you that it's to be taken with a lot of salt.

>>13572356

Detais are off on the SM spoilers, but the general arc is accurate. BiS spoilers seem a lot more suspect (check some of the comments below it)

>>13572445
>>13572455
Thanks. Just wanted a general idea of SM, and thought I'd try reading up on what's available.

Haven't been on 4chan for a few months, so I'm behind the times and threads. Apparently the old archive died too, so I'm slowly browsing through the /m/ and /a/ ML threads for some info.

A consolidated general outline that puts mostly everything into an ordered timeline kind of like that post is what I was looking for.

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Is she literally retarded

>>13572486
She's the real evil. I bet she staged everything so that she could claim Theo the way Lacus claimed Kira.

>>13564942
Can't wait for the anime to be a total flop.

>>13572866
I cant wait for the QUALITY

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>>13572913
Liden always delivers

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>>13572913

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>>13572986
Satelight is KyoAni compared to fucking Liden but losing those delicious 2D TSF's for 3D CGI model/sprites was still saddening.

>>13572486

She's the token moe. What'dya expect? While I find some facets of her character to be endearing, as a whole she isn't up to par with many of the other girls.

It's why, despite all that Age has been pushing her, she's only the fourth most popular girl. (Beato and Iris compete for first while Lise is third) Hell, some of the reviews on Amazon were complaining about the amount of screen-time she had and how annoying she was.

>>13572414

>Jürgen sleeping with Iris and Beatrix being alright with it

That is just all sorts of wrong (sexy, but wrong)

>>13572975

Best part is is that they're pouring their budget into some other anime right now.

>>13572414
>Axemann becomes the school's trolling principal who pits classes and students against each other for the purpose of building up the best students and athletes.

Yes, because look how well that worked out for Hitler.

>>13572356

Read what Axmann did to Lise, now apply that to Beatrix.

>>13573024

Axmann would do it to maximize suffering. He's also a firm believer that people should rise above the restraints that morality and society places on them and live for themselves (basically become a selfish sociopathic prick). He told Lise to do so after forcing her to murder an infant and two children with a rock.

>>13573018
Arslan Senki 2?

>>13571305
Does that mean all of the years I spent playing that game as a kid is finally going to pay off?

>>13573024
We can't have a completely happy SM Altered Fable, can we?

In any event, it would probably be downplayed for laughs, with the only real rivalry being between Beatrix and Iris.

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Which Axmann do you guys prefer? The slimy snake or the Frollo look-alike?

>>13573210

Beatrix's and Iris rivalry would also be played for laughs. Altered Fable would basically be BiS, without the BETA. You'd still have the darkness with stasi running around, but it'd be balanced out by the fun stuff like Beatrix playing a prank/trolling, or Alfred going full Maes Hughes and annoying everyone with photos of Ursula's (Katia's) latest escapades.

>>13573230
>Which Axmann do you guys prefer? The slimy snake or the Frollo look-alike?
Old man Axemann.

Because his level of political maneuvering is better suited to someone who's lived long enough to build up the reputation that he supposedly has.

>>13573025
Did he have Beatrix raped behind her family's back and while Jurgen was away?

>>13572992

I would actually feel for the loss of the TSFs if they were well-drawn in still shots. You know, like in the third episode when Yuuya, Tarisa, and Vincent tour the base and take turns to name the TSFs they see?

Except that even in those scenes the TSFs were barely acceptable. Granted their only flaw was that they looked like someone took a superthick black marker to all their lines, but in the rest of such scenes it looks just like >>13572986 's example (The Active Eagle wasn't even moving its parts, they were just panning it forward).

Hell, TE's the only anime where I think the 3D actually made the show BETTER. Giant robots are not the most easily animated things around and the 2G/3G TSFs, especially, have a lot of bits and angles sticking out that make it harder to just pick up for low-budget animation.

>>13573318

It's possible he had her raped and tortured after Iris outed Jürgen for being a rebel. It's more likely he ran her through the same sicko shit Lise got during her stasi "training" (ie apply rock directly to infant's skull) to break her of her morality. One of Axmann's big philosophies is that one should live only for yourself (be a greedy sociopath basically), something he tells Lise for her final "lesson".

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I've recorded the first insert song for all of you to enjoy. The audio quality might be a bit distorted though.

https://archive.org/details/SchawrzesmarkenInsertSong1

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I guess I'll be avoiding this general now since most of you faggots aren't using spoiler tags. See you when the anime finishes airing then.

>>13573379

Spoilers are still mostly being used where they matter. If you're talking about Lise being alive and a stasi, that's pretty much spoiled by all the advertisements anyways. A lot of this also seems to be speculation (except for these assholes:>>13571710 >>13571585 >>13566560 )

>>13573318
If he did he wouldn't be hitting on her all the time since he likes cleanliness (his words), so no, odds are he did not.

>>13571710
So Theo becomes the Master because Germany is gone and thus the world must go too?

>>13573775
Assuming he is the Master, it's probably more due to how fucked up he is.

His sister was taken, raped, tortured, and converted to Stasi, and he was forced to end her.

His other love interest wasn't interested in running away and is partly why he got stuck in Germany and having a love/hate relationship with the country. Then she also dies, right in his arms, and because he was not there to protect her.

That's 2 love interests dead and only a really young girl as consolation prize.

And that's on top of him watching all the shit being done by both sides, and the deaths and suffering of his fellow teammates.

Not to mention, Axemann is still probably alive and kicking, and if the only way to take him down is to let the world burn, then so be it.

>>13571710
>Theo: Germany>World
Deutchland uber alles?

>>13573950
I wonder how Hitler would have reacted against the BETAs if he was still alive and in power at that time.

>>13572486
oh, come on.
don't harsh towards Katia.

>>13574038
>>13574036
> LET'S FEED THEM WITH MOAR JEWS!
> & WE'LL MADE WUNDERWAFFEN OUT OF THE BETA!!
more like adding holocaust into holocaust.

>>13574059
>>13574038
>>13573950

I can way too easily imagine a SS battalion into the Nazi TSF Luftwaffe.

Considering how Hitler was fond of big badass vehicles, I can also imagine him with black and red Susanoo-like HI-MAERFs in his personal guard.

>>13573344
Fuck yeah, thanks a lot

>>13574038
He'd have ordered the building of a bigger and badder TSF than anyone else's, powered by experimental Nazi atomic science, that can be both a fighter and a bomber, and its development would drag on and on throughout the war, and finally arrive on the battlefield too late and in too few numbers to make any difference to the fall of Germany.

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>>13574059

The Japanese are extremely harsh on Katia. Way more than us. Plug this comment into google translate and see for yourself:

カティアはムカつくキャラだって聞いてたのに、いざゲームやってみるとそこまででもないな。

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>>13574252
Google:
> Katya but have heard Even characters that disgusting , I do not even up there and try emergency game
Online Translator
> Though I heard that Katia is a disgusting character, it is not to there when I do いざ game and watch it
Translate Reference
> Katia is heard the bullshit top ten characters to try when it comes game up there with no

... so, Katia is.. bullshit disgusting top ten character?
any reason of the Nips hate about Katia?

>>13574307
SM was a mistake
That's where it went wrong

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Okay, what exactly is wrong with the G-bombs? All the game tells us is some random bullshit about "permanent gravitational instabilities" and "the soil is barren". But nobody living in the base at ground zero for the past few years is ever mentioned to be suffering ill health effects.

Contrast to a nuclear weapon where you'd probably be getting complaints of radiation sickness, leukaemias, thyroid cancers, etc etc among those who were sent charging into ground zero to fight BETAs inside the Hive immediately after detonation and among those who are living there afterwards.

I just don't see why everyone was so anti-G-bomb before they ever knew The Day was a thing that could happen.

>>13574307

She's annoyingly naive and the game really pushes her on you, to the point that the other heroine's screen time suffers.

>>13574359
G-bomb have a more deeper impact on earth than a nuclear one. Sure you can live where the bomb detonate but it will fucked the gravity in the region in a long term whereas a nuclear one will be radioative just a couple of year (you can live just fine in hiroshima now)

>>13574359
Only the Japs are Really anti G-Bomb. The Yanks are in favour of G-Bombing all BETA, Commies (both in Slav and Chink varieties) have been using nukes liberally since the start, so they don't give a Damn, and the Euros don't care much about the Alt Plans. The Rest don't have much say anyway.

>>13574359
From the core principle, anything that affect gravitational field is enough to be seen with way more desastrous long term effects than nuclear bombs by common sense.

And the point of fighting against the BETA was not to fuck up the Earth until Alternative V.

>>13574359
Volcanoes in Honshu have become active in Japan after the G-bombing anon. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

>>13574423
>WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

That if you pop enough party crackers, people get to go surfing on aircraft carriers with monster waves?

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>>13574059
I'm not being harsh, just seriously wondering how the hell did she manage to socially survive until now.

At least she's a good pilot and not annoying like Gretel or that whinny murderer tomboy, I just hope she doesn't ignore Theo's warning again and learn her place.

>>13574359
There's also:
Areas of permanent vacuum
Turning entire areas into salt

And some other things.

There's an image of what the mass G-bombing did to the earth, and also one of the VNs has French military in space suits taking over the abandoned Washington DC area due to being affected by a permanent vacuum as a side-effect of the mass G-Bombs.

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>>13574376
>>13574359
It should be pointed out even in Alternative there is a disconnect between what Yuuko worries about with G-Bombs (namely, the gravitational distortions), and the complaints of the general (Japanese) cast, as a clear analogy to nuclear weapon usage in WWII.

Takeru explicitly brings this up during the Sadogashima briefing, where he (perhaps naively) wonders if the orbital heavy metal bombardment isn't more environmentally damaging than just using G-bombs.

I suspect that's why TDA had to resort to such drastic measures regarding mass G-bomb effects, since Cookie wrote himself into a corner with such things as stating that the soil near Yokohama remained barren, but also having the cherry blossom tree bloom in front of the base.

It should also be pointed out that the effects of The Day only seem to occur in one Alt V timeline; it's never brought up in the manga or other recollections of events in timelines after Unlimited where Takeru bites it.

>Dat Beato voice
Oh shit, she sound perfect

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I want a fandisk with an alternate ending of SM where Beatrix beat the rebels and proceed according to her plan, becoming a charismatic country leader in the fight against the BETA and holding the Eastern European defense line tight.

Thus, Soviet Union will buy a part of Europe after they get crushed instead of Alaska, forming the Eurasian Humanity Alliance, and they will become a new superpower in this war which don't need to rely on shitty Amerifags to survive and will slowly begin to take back territory by successfully seizing H05 in Operation Palaiologos Act II.

And then flying BETA and doomed. End.

>>13574252
"I heard Katia is an annoying character, but actually playing the game turns out she's not THAT annoying."

>>13574925

Upload it. I want to hear Yukarin.

>>13574581

>Those necks.

>>13574999

Beatrix doesn't want to "hold the line" nor stay loyal to the Soviet cause. See this for her actual plan: >>13571585 >>13571710

Also, it's likely you'll be able to side with her in the second VN.

>>13575126
>it's likely you'll be able to side with her in the second VN.
oh boy

>>13575106
Giving me flashbacks to Sumikas

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>>13575135

It's kinda obvious. Lise makes a couple of attempts to induct you into the Wearwolves. I'd imagine all you'd need to do is take her up on it and bam, locked into the stasi route.

or Age can be dicks and force us to kill Lise and Beatrix in all three routes

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I mean I knew she would be evil but experiencing it first hand is something else, threatening Theo to get him to sell Katja already? She doesn't even have any proofs too, what's her deal?

>>13575126
She knows who the real enemy is, the BETA. She will do anything she needs to not let them destroy mankind, so if it implies holding the line and side with the soviets, be it. Her plan to have the East German die for a chance of the West surviving is pointless, as it's just moving the front line some kilometers to the West, which doesn't help in anything.

I was more imagining her as a EU force military and political leader who would really unify the countries of the Union by her charisma and resolve, so all EU forces fight in one voice to protect the entire Union and not only their country ( As they usually do, be it in our universe or ML one ).

>Also, it's likely you'll be able to side with her in the second VN.

This will probably be the sole reason I would do the VN, so they better not fuck this up.

>>13575176

Well, she has been described as one of the most despicable people in the the whole Altverse.

Any sense of morality she has left goes out the window when Iris is involved. Also, she finds Katia's cover story to be highly suspicious.

You should upload to youtube or something. Share the gloroius evil Stasi bitch.

>>13575176

So on a 1-10 scale (10 being Axmann), how evil is she?

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>>13574581

She is so unintimidating. It's cute how she tries to push around Theo.

Some LP for those who aren't playing it themselves for whatever reason:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27708877
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27709335

>>13575197
Thinking about it, she actually want blood because it's Iris's unit, and nothing else.. Katja being """suspicious""" is probably just an excuse to mess with Iris.
Yeah, she's completely crazy. No wonder they need an entire prequel story to explain what happened to her

Also the Stasis providing her the latest MiGs doesn't help.

>>13575238
I didn't get to see Axmann yet but I fail to see how much more evil one can get.
The number of times they're playing that flashback CG of Axmann taking Lyse with him is hilarious though

>>13575261
I didn't even expect her to be a major character, her design scream "generic cannon fodder", kek

>>13575274
>"generic cannon fodder", kek
is she the one piloting that MiG that got punched by a round right in the cockpit?

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>>13575274

>>13575285

No

>mess with Iris

Even when she was still innocent, Beatrix was a troll.

> her design scream "generic cannon fodder", kek

Annette's only purpose is to set off deathflags and then defy them. Even she's awestruck she made it through everything. She was certain she'd die.

>>13575288
>Annette
seriously? she's like the plainest character of the 666 squad and makes it?

>>13575341

Best girls always die.

>>13575347
Yui didn't die.
Nor Latrova.

That isn't always true.

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>>13575288

here's the full size scan.

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>>13575176

Are you looking forward to having to ram your knife into her insides?

>>13575386
That's not a scan.

>>13575273
I don't know if I like CG betas. They look so different.

What does Theo think of Lyz? Does he even know that she did everything she did to keep the Stasi from harming him?

>>13575559

Probably not. Lise was deeply ashamed by what Axmann did to her and would be mortified if Theo found out how "impure" she was. We'll probably see this become an issue in her route when Axmann shows the gangrape tapes to Theo.

>>13575564
>Axmann
this guy sounds like a real fucking cunt

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>>13575574

Yeah. Between him and Schmidt, Beatrix look like a saint.

>>13575585
>that pic
The fuck

>>13575593

He's a master of deception.