Fashy Post-Modernism

The realities of your life will not be resolved by a pop culture fascism movement OP. I wish you luck in getting somewhere you're happy being.

>>9886743
Foucault, not even memeing

>>9886770
Happiness is for faggots

>>9886770
This is what happens when proles try to meme philosophy.

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>>9886770
>making happiness your goal
fucking epic mate

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The only book on post-modernism that anyone ought to read

>>9886812
This looks like a balanced, non-partisan work.

>>9886743
who's the ape?

>>9886743
All of them. "There is no such thing as Absolute Truth," "History does not bend towards any particular end," and "Things change depending on the perspective from which you look at them," are all applicable to any politics. All the other stuff, like making sure certain "truths," ends, and perspectives are(n't) elevated above others, comes down to a post-hoc conclusion drawn by readers and written in secondary sources. If you read a primary source (actual Foucault, actual Derrida, actual Lacan), you'll see that postmodern frameworks beget arguments for any political ideology.

Especially interesting to a fascist might be Lacan's Big Other and Object A — think of them as a sort of need that all humans automatically fill, either consciously or unconsciously; a state that elevates the aesthetic component of politics and uses spectacle to engage citizens (i.e. fascism) will be able to present itself (or a nebulous, socially-constructed concept like "glory," "honor," etc.) as an option for filling these needs. It's social control that citizens actively embrace. In some sense, it might even be good for them.

On a similar note, see Foucault's category of the Panopticon.

>tl;dr — Read primary sources and think critically. This is always the answer.

>>9886812
you have an epub or something for this?

>>9886896
this

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>>9886841
this is Post-punk waifu

>>9886783
What do you mean by this?

>>9886836
It's a collection of polemical essays, to be sure. However, knowing that is not (in and of itself) a reason to rule out its argument.

>>9886896
Lacan is fascist for sure however I disagree with you about the others

>>9887156
Do you really consider Foucault incompatible with Fascism? I think his reactionary potential is astounding

>>9887170
Foucault is pretty clear (at least by my readings) in his later interviews that the kind of collective movement definitive of fascism in its historical representatives is against his ethical views, on account of their sublation of subjectivity into an all-encompassing wider group. I think he definitely has a conservative streak but calling him fascist seems too far

>>9886743
>>9886792
where do I find a qt like this

The word fascism has really become meaningless, has it not?

>>9887212
But is it a question there of his personal ethics or something suggested by his philosophy itself.
For instance why not sublate your subjectivity

>>9887258
If you haven't read very much I can see how you may feel that way

>>9886743
>fashy
only meme-obsessed millennial faggots say this

>>9887260
Go on.
I am commenting on Lacan and so on and so on being called fascist.
Though from what I know about Nazi-Germany is that types like Rudolf Steiner had some influence, and Hitler read lots of religious books, so from there I guess anything can be 'fashy'. Reality is not as coherent as we like to think.

>>9887156
Poster from >>9886896 here. Changed to a different computer because I just got back from the gf's house.

It's not a question of whether the author is a fascist (or any other political ideology); it's a question of whether you can bend his or her conclusions into arguments for or structures useful to fascism. Let's step outside of the pomo-fash discussion for a sec to consider a different (but much more clear) example.

In a thread on Atlas Shrugged, after the usual shitposting about how Dagny is a Mary Sue and Rand is a Jewess, an anon suggested that Rand's philosophy (Objectivism) could actually be used to argue for socialism, anarchism, or communism. Clearly this isn't what Rand wanted, but there's an argument to be made that any number of economic systems are in one's "rational self-interest," so her framework doesn't rule out anticapitalism. She just happens to argue within her own framework for capitalism. So if you like the tenets of Objectivism (self-interest, Aristotelian metaphysics, etc.) but not Rand's ultimate conclusion, there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater — you can just refute her political stance while keeping the rest.

Likewise, thinkers like Foucault and Derrida establish frameworks which are essentially apolitical and deal largely with questioning false dichotomies. A fascist could argue something like the following:
>Thesis: The oppressor-oppressed dichotomy is false (in the vein of Derrida).
>Support: Certain privileges are given to the oppressed but not the oppressor, and vice versa. Although there may be a net imbalance, there's no clearly innocent or guilty party.
Or:
>Premise: All social relations have an inherent imbalance of power (Foucault).
>Conclusion: It's not anybody's FAULT that they are oppressing others, it's just circumstance. It's unfair to blame someone, morally, for oppressing someone else. (And therefore unfair to enact violence against them.) Furthermore, if imbalance is inherent, there's no sense fighting it.
And from these, the possibilities are limitless. Granted, these are more "anti-antifa" then simply fascist, but they point the way. Once you establish that oppression doesn't actually occur (or occurs, but isn't morally problematic), you can argue that it has tangible benefits (group cohesion, sense of identity, economic utility) and that these benefits, which are real in both the spiritual and material realms, outweigh the imagined injustice of fascism.

All this is a sketch, and I'm not a fascist, so I don't think I could argue these things exhaustively and passionately, but I hope I've shown that there's something there.

>>9887330
How did you get a gf?

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>>9887334
By being sociable and pleasant. Also helps to have shared interests. She's read a lot of the classics (more than me), so we talk about books/aesthetics/morality a lot. It takes some time to get to a point where you're comfortable sharing everything, and thoughts like those are pretty personal, so don't drop anybody right away. Stay with them for some time and let them gradually open up. It feels good.

Aside from that, though, the main thing was really just to be a good person. Make time for her, listen to her when we talk, don't pass judgement or be harsh. People (inb4 an edgelord says "women aren't people" — yes they are faggot) like to feel like they can relax around you. Establishing trust and goodwill is the most important thing you can do in a relationship.

Good luck, and remember, be kind.

>>9887271
>comes into post-modernist thread
>complains about etymology
lol

>>9887361
You sound like a nu-male stuck with an uppity dyke. Not my type of relationship

>>9887425
>you sound like blah blah buzzword blah blah buzzword
thanks for sharing

>>9887474
He was right though. That post was pure numale cringe and this inaugural piece of pussy you found likely doesn't see your kind and easy-to-talk-to disposition as a virtue but a weakness.

>>9887361
>inb4 an edgeleord says "women aren't people"
>shows a picture himself with "cows will be your friend if you treat them nicely"
hmmm, gee I wonder what you mean with that

>>9887509
you've been brainwashed, son

>>9887535
You've been brainwashed dude! My morality is right, your's wrong, #sorrynotsorry

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>>9887544
woah.....this really made me think

could this mean..no.....wait, Trump is Drumpf?

>>9887559
epic strawman kiddo

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>>9887425
>woman wants to talk about shared interests
>woman wants to be listened to during conversation
>woman wants to not get constantly shit on by the person she trusts most
wow what an uppity dyke

>>9887707
the roastie is toastie kek

>>9886743
naw turns out we all stopped writing about fascism after we fought two fucking world wars against it.

Sloterdjik

>>9887707
I don't like sharing interests with someone I love. I like girls who are interested in nurtering and showing love not my cold, aggressive, intellectual world. To share my interests with her would be to hurt and disturb her and it would pain me deeply.

>>9888106
How old are you? This is a sincere question - I'm just curious.

>>9888069
You have clearly yet to understand what those wars were actually about, kiddo, but it's cute that you can repeat what your public school education told you they were about.

>>9888294
22 long hard years

>>9888328
That's adorable.

>>9888382
Y-you too

>>9886743
>Seems like all the books/lectures I can find are either Marxist in nature

Seems like you don't know what Marxism means and desperately need to start with the Greeks.

>>9888390
>post-modernism
>s-start with the greeks

lol

>>9888399
>stutter meme
oh brother

>>9888399
If you're still at the "everything I don't like is Marxism" stage, you desperately need some philosophical foundation.

>>9888435
Thats not even what I meant, what I meant was 50% of books on post modernism are just rants on how postmodernism is Marxism....for example Jordan Peterson, or Hicks

>>9888485
Post modernism is mostly a reaction to Marxism. It started as a movement as a critique of what were the failings of late 20th century marxism. Sometimes its "filling in the gaps" in dialectic materialism (though usually in such a way as to dislocate meaning and focus from the material / social base and the class struggle and therefore in spite of its aims makes it quite against the spirit of Marxist through) or its just a completely reactionary shitty rehabilitation of that theorists favorite idealist philosophers whether that's Kant, Freud or someone less respectable and more obscure. So aye, with a small number of exceptions most Po-Mo is anti-marxist. I think your problem is that you can't or don't want to engage with Marxism on any level, which makes you worse than a pleb.

>>9888585
>Post modernism is mostly a reaction to Marxism
Most definitely not. It is an extension of Marxism, with the same goal: the break down of western traditional and cultural norms. Both are fundamentally inversions of those western norms because they are reflections of the jews who are outsiders and therefore want to deface western society.

>>9888634
sigh

>>9888643
Try to present less retarded arguments in the future, you were about as off the mark as possible.

>>9888634
>Both are fundamentally inversions of those western norms because they are reflections of the jews who are outsiders and therefore want to deface western society.
Your scapegoats have supervillain motivations. Grow up a little bit and then come back.
Until then >>>/pol/ or >>>/b/ is more your speed.

>>9888718
It's quite clear that you don't understand the roots and significance of Marxism and postmodernism, yet you typed out a post pretending otherwise. I know you were trying to sound smart, but all you did was highlight how intellectually lost you are on those subjects. Don't get mad at me for pointing that out, learn from it so you won't make the same mistake again.

>>9887271
>meme-obessed millenial faggots

welcome to 4chan

>>9888634
I'll refer you to my previous comment:
>your problem is that you can't or don't want to engage with Marxism on any level, which makes you worse than a pleb, really you should just be anhero

>>9886779
>foucault
>"fashy"

>>9886743
i think you're confused about what fascism is.

>>9888773
That wasn't me. You are young and likely too dumb to get what's going on in the world, I get it, and that's okay; just don't repeat the foolish comment you presented above on here again, and dig a little deeper if you want to actually understand the subjects you were attempting to speak about. Good day.

fascism is a hyper-modernist movement, postmodernity is almost entirely formulated as a response to fascism.

>>9888399
you can very, very easily trace postmodern thought to Greek philosophy. Nietzsche was the prototype post modern and he jerked it to them harder than almost anyone in a field full of people who jerk it to the Greeks (for good reason).

Pick up the fragments of Heraclitus, brainlet.

>>9887361
Surprisingly good advice. First time I actually believe someone on 4chan when they say the have a gf.

>>9888106
wow so deep and brooding. No seriously you have a condescending view of what women are like. Maybe you're into bimbo's, I wouldn't be able to have an actual relationship with a simple nurturing dumb girl. I'm not looking for a second mother.

>>9888634
what a pleb.

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>>9887524
the neetlord himself said women are cows

he also said his readers should be like good little cows

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>>9886743
Fascism is distinctly modernist.

OP, don't waste your time on all that leftist continental bullshit. Read Christopher Lasch's True and Only Heaven. He was a Marxist who hated progressives with a passion, truly a forefather of the Alt Right.

>>9889089
What you really want is a cock in your butt.

>>9887258
>>9887260
I'd be surprised if it isn't now a pejorative even in the mouth of those who espouse the politics of it. You get self styled "fascists" all over who are only interested in the tyranny of the majority, but to equate them with those who are advocating for libertarian values is ridiculous. Fascism is meaningless except as a pejorative. The future of tyranny is behind a closed door that no one wants to either knock on or enter through for fear of the fact that something unknown is inside, and once you get in there, you know that it is (you).

>>9889173
>Fascism is meaningless except as a pejorative
I have a hearty laugh when some brainwashed leftist uses the word "fascist" and acts like this long-irrelevant term is what they are fighting against. You are a pawn. The ancestors of bolshevik jews, whose murderous streak in Russia led to fascism as a national defensive mechanism against those jews operating in their own countries, have merely transferred their group's historical enemy into the brains of whites for so long that these whites are literally mimicking this narrative like parrots. It's pathetic, but the level of brainwashing whites have undergone at the hands of jews is only something redpilled people will understand. "Fascism" is a good example to use in highlighting this brainwashing though. A post-bolshevik political movement that hasn't been relevant in 70 years...that's what you're worried about? Take a step back and think, you rabid idiot attacking your own kin for the jews holding your leash.

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>>9888106
>my cold, aggressive, intellectual world
Pic related, it's you.

Memes aside, intellectualism is in no way cold or aggressive. You're trying to understand people and ideas at the deepest possible level, to put yourself in others' shoes to find out what they believe, why they believe it, and what their perspective has to offer you. Intellectualism is, at it's core, an act of outreach and open-heartedness. If you're still on the "I have to be RIGHT and WIN and show everyone how SMART I am" stage, you're not even in the Intellectual world. You're in the YouTube Atheist world. And that's not a world in which people become their best selves.

Read the Socratic Dialogs. Then the Nicomachean Ethics. Then sit down with Proust or Joyce or Pynchon and think about how beautiful human beings can be, even at their silliest and ugliest. Or, if you're the religious type, pick the holy book of your choosing, and really internalize the passages about forgiveness.

Remember that thinking is never entirely separate from feeling. Even mathematicians' hearts leap at beauty. Even scientists mourn their own failures. Even logicians get caught up in their own passion when a conclusion really speaks. The thing these folks call "intuition" is, ultimately, a nervous sort of elation at what might be, rather than a cold, mechanical process. And it's intuition that guides them, not some narrowly defined method.

Above all else, don't think of anything, ever, as above or below emotion.

Feeling is all humans ever do.

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What the heck even is Fascism?

I have never seen a word with such a range of meanings.

I've read Giovanni Gentile's Doctrine of Fascism which essentially comes across as a sort of authoritarian form of traditionalism. But now some of you are saying it is hyper-modernist and gave way to certain elements of post-modernism.

Please help a brainlet understand. What are some key texts?

>>9889913
Fascism was a reaction to jewish bolshevism that involved a strengthening of the state and nationalist identity to combat the jewish revolutionaries using the lower classes / proletariat to overthrow the state as they had done in Russia. When western European states realized that jews had murdered the upper crust of Russians after taking power, they began to fear the same happening to them, thus fascism arose as a protective measure. Since the system dealt harshly with jewish subversives and revolutionaries, and because jews don't forget, they have been telling white people ever since that the biggest threat is the re-emergence of fascism. And that's true ... in their warped minds. But fascism is neither modern or postmodern. It's irrelevant now and nothing more than a scare word.

>>9889954
>muh joos
Wew lad, I'm looking for a bit more nuance than that.

>>9887509
You do not live in the real world my dude

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>>9886743

>tits for attention

One of the nice things about post-modernism is that there is no argument that post-modernists can unhypocritically make against interpreting post-modernist texts in any way you please. Plus, because they are mostly written in vague and discursive styles it easy to interpret them however you please. Whether Derrida, Baudrillard, or Deleuze and Guattari it is trivial to reinterpret these texts in a non-Marxist fashion (in fact this is a hobby of mine) - but of course if you do this you in some way validate the post-modernist position (insofarasmuch as there is such a thing).

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>>9889271
You have to go back.

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>>9889089
>I'm not looking for a second mother.

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>>9889913
it is the aestheticization of politics dude

>>9891504
I am a nazi but I agree with many things Walter Benjamin has said.
Is that normal?

>>9891522
Most people have no idea who Walter Benjamin is, so, no, it's not normal. That being said, I know a lot of far-leftists who are terrified of the man because they can't refute him (and, in fact, think he was largely right, at least in regards to tactics).

>>9889913
see >>9891504
Anyone who claims to have a sort of "one true fascism" is memeing. Fascism is the elevation of culture and mass appeal over actual policy in political discourse, typically leading to an authoritarian regime with a vaguely-defined "enemy of the state" to pin all life's woes on. Nazi Germany was fascist because they defined culture in relation to race and picked the jews as enemies. "Communist" China was/is fascist because it defined culture in relation to proletarianism and picked the bourgeoisie as enemies. North Korea is fascist because they define culture in relation to the ruling family and have the U.S. as an enemy.

Fascism = Definition of Ingroup + State Protection of the Ingroup + Outgroup + State-Sponsored Ostracization of the Outgroup + Military might

>>9887361
>oh what i want to know
>is are you kind?
bingo.

fascism is anti-intellectual

there are no decent fascist intellectuals

>inb4 heidegger

>>9891522
you might not be as much of a nazi as you think

>>9886792
You won't find fulfilment. You're filling a void and when you come to disillusionment you're gonna have a mental breakdown.

>>9888718
Read the Jewish revolutionary spirit.

>>9886743
>>9886792
>>9887023
Who is this semen demon?

>>9893529
>On /lit/
>Hasn't read the Greeks
Why is /leftypol/ so unread?

>>9889954
He asks what is Fascism or was even and you give an historical account, but the fact is that this "reaction to jewsih bolshevism" that you're talking about could have resulted in any number of reactions but didn't. So why fascism, what is it that so many took it up, and what do you know about the term. You seem like you have a indepth understanding of the history, but are adverse to that label yourself. Or do you think of yourself as something different and the parts of the definition that makes fascism what it is are just not relevant to you - which seems to suggest you're bad a being a Nazis. Don't they have standards? I thought Nazis were kind of particular about things in general, but maybe this isn't the case.

>>9889913
It's reactionary collectivist authoritarian capitalism.

>>9895813
Fascism and national socialism are ideologies of the past, why would I necessarily identify with either? I usually won't go out of my way to dissuade anyone who does but I'd rather look toward the future than the past.

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>>9886743
just gonna leave this here...


http://www.xenosystems.net/

>>9895768
>hasnt continued with the romans as well

>>9886896
>socially-constructed concept like "glory," "honor," etc.) as an option for filling these needs. It's social control that citizens actively embrace. In some sense, it might even be good for them.

>tfw you want to live in a just and moral universe but modernity has conditioned you against believing in a God

thish, I claim, ish the fundamental paradoksh of poshtmodernishm

>>9887361
>the main thing was really just to be a good person

How can pople type stuff like this about themselves? Honest question

>>9896548
Normies man, they're fucking pathetic

>>9895940
Are you not a Nazi? And doesn't being a Nazi predicate some continuation of a past ideology, otherwise it'd be stupid to still give those salutes or dress up in traditional costumes? And if you are not a Nazi, how come? Does race realism play into your account of the world? Why not just Might makes right like a good reincarnation of Alexander? Doesn't it get boring not having take out once and a while?

>>9896584
Why would I identify as a German national socialist when I'm only 25% German, have only been to Germany once, and was born several decades after national socialism ended? It doesn't make any sense, does it? Do you want me to identify as a German national socialist because I want what is natural and normal, which is to live in a society comprised of and controlled by my own people? Seems odd to me.

>>9896613
You just know this guy is an unironic cuckold

>>9896624
Negative. I have no respect for cuckolds. You got summa dat angry mulatto in you boy?

>>9895764
Melissa Clarke, I think.

>>9886743
Where can I meet girls that look like this?

>>9897057
pls respond

>>9897057
art schools, open mics, off-broadway theatre

>>9896314
I take it you've never even opened this book.

Everything that Land did with the CCRU was steeped in Marxism. It was included in a marxist theory anthology ffs.

>>9888399
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>>9888634
>>9888678
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>>9888818
You write like a virgin.

>>9893529
Plato

>>9892429
>communists are fascists
Wrong.

>>9886743
Fascism is based on modernist assumptions so no.

>>9886779
lmao

>>9889913
>What the heck even is Fascism?
This is impossible to answer anymore.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/the-f-word/

If you're interested why. Nick Land makes some very salient points.

>>9901248
>In dramatic contrast to the prevailing historical myth, fascism won WWII so decisively that its opponents were driven to the political fringes of paleo-conservatism
2real4me

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>108 replies

get fucked /lit

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>>9901248
>Under this cover, and the absurdly misleading branding associated with it, American fascism ascended to a state of global hegemonic dominance. Since 1989, it has been essentially unchallenged, except by the geopolitical temper-tantrum that is radical Islam.
Pretty great so far, insight after insight.
>Yet suddenly, from left field, the Trump candidacy has thrown it into crisis. The flamboyant fascist features of the Trump campaign – and still more of his excited Alt-Right supporters – are deniable only by fools.
Ok fuck this pandering drivel.

>>9888781
Rumor is he wanted whoever tied him up in the bdsm dungeon to wear a SS uniform

>>9901301
so? I couldn't give a fuck if he spent every Christmas dressed up as a SS officer

you ever read anything he has ever written?

kill yourself you lazy cunt mucus

>>9901248
if everyone is a fascist then no-one is a fascist

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>>9886743
>Fascistic post modernism
That's an oxymoron FYI

I mean do you want something that is modern neo-fascist/neo-reactionary,?
https://www.amren.com
https://www.counter-currents.com
http://www.radixjournal.com

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>>9901248
>Fascism won WW2
>Capitalism is fascism
>A capitalist empire is fascist

>>9901964
>implying he's wrong
people don't even realize they're at war in America anymore
the entire country is comfortable with the idea of being under constant surveillance and the government deciding who lives and dies so long a they brand them as terrorists first
they constantly force corporate entities into cooperation too

>>9902100
Fascism =/= authoritarianism and surveillance , it is a form of authoritarian government but not every form of authoritarianism is fascism. The state doesn't force companies into compliance in the US, corporate entities force the state into compliance more often than not.

The United States is just a capitalist crypto oligarchy , fascism is a merger between private entities and the state. The economy of Nazi Germany was called producer capitalism and historically fascistic economic doctrines are based on extreme economic autarky and collectivism.

>>9902155
>The state doesn't force companies into compliance in the US
Yes it does, every single time it needs to. There's literally backdoors in every computer in America because manufacturers's and other tech giants like Google all cooperate with the government.

>>9902155
>corporate entities force the state into compliance more often than not.
Don't mistake petty corruption for more than it is.

Also, consider to what end the state manipulates corporate entities in a fascist regime. For Hitler it was war, but for America? It's profit. What you describe in no way precludes fascism, there has been a very carefully constructed yolk built to ensure society remains placated and consumerist. America's war if you will is with its own citizenry, they are the danger.

>>9902282
>Google
... I guess you don't know much about the history of oil and banking in this country we've had president who were literally bought out by Rockefellers (McKinley) and our government has existed to protect the interests of these corporations. The US government is controlled by them, the US government does not control them even slightly. All the bailouts are not signs of petty corruption, is is a symptom of a much greater problem.

>>9902326
>implying that isn't literally my argument

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>>9886743
Miles Mathis' articles on modern art are ruthless. He describes himself as a hippy, but that just means closet fascist.

>>9902917
>Implying this is your argument
In a fascist state, the state controls the industries not the other way around

>>9886743
Why are so many kids these days obsessed with fascism? Do they not realise the horrors of war and a society subjected to one mode of thought. It's absurd.

>>9901222
>state capitalism is communism
Wrong.

>>9886836
kek