Could Donald Trump be considered a philosopher?

i think he was heavily influenced by marx, the way he connects with the proletariat and looks out for their interests the way machiavellian clintons or classical liberal republican cannot. moreover, philosophers hitherto have only interpreted the world, the point is to change it, which he is doing.

>>9878660

kys urself at earliest oppt. my dude

>>9878660
This is absolute autism vomit , thanks man I enjoyed reading this

>>9878660
You deserve a ,':^)

>>9878651
Probably not. What is a "philosopher?" I would imagine a necessary element is the ability to communicate some or any ideas through symbols/language. The man cannot form a complete sentence.

Is there any evidence that he can write? Does he know how to spell, punctuation, basic rules of grammar, etc?

Being serious here. Some people sound retarded in real life but have decent writing.

I think he sees himself as philosopher-king, as Plato described it.

>>9879031
He actually probably does. God, that's fucking sad. Good thing he's just a figurehead and at least he isn't Hilldawg.

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>>9879031
Probably accurate.

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>>9878660

>>9879309
Socialism with American Characteristics

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>>9879379
>Trump will not be America's Deng Xiaoping

>>9878651

No. Trump lacks any sense of intellectual curiosity about the world, which going back as far as Plato is a pretty standard necessary condition to be a philosopher.

Trump barely reads. When asked if he has ever read a biography of a US president, he answered: “I never have. I’m always busy doing a lot. Now I’m more busy, I guess, than ever before.”

Contrast that with Bush for example. Bush read hundreds of books as president, from literature to biographies and history, by both conservative and liberal authors, and competed with his advisor Karl Rove for how many books they could complete each year. Obama was also an avid reader, reading a lot of literature and citing novels as having had a deep impact on his actions and morality.

Trump isn't even intellectually curious about being president. Trump has said he doesn't need daily intelligence briefings because "he's a smart person." He does however, reportedly receive a twice daily packet of positive stories about himself.

There are certainly a few presidents who had the intellectual curiosity to be considered philosophers. Madison, for example, wrote some of the federalist papers, which are a part of the canon of political philosophy. Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively on the biology of the new world.

I've read philosophers, some presidents have been philosophers. Trump's no philosopher.

>>9879806
t. agent for the deep state

>>9879821
t. blind zealot memester

>>9878651
>>>/b/

>>9879806
ha you took the time to post this. what a faggot. and no i didnt take the time to read it.

he probably recieves daily briefings in comic form lol

>>9879875
I did. I think the guy knows this thread isn't serious but just wanted to write some shit against drumpf and show to himself how smart he is by writing down his thoughts.

>>9879806
if you're gonna write bait don't make it so fucking long jesus christ, everyone remembers that The Stanger was the only book Bush read while in office after his high school english teacher wife recommended it to him after he bombed iraq, bush is and will always be the stupidest president in living memory, reagan was senile but that's different

>Machiavellian
>Clinton

Very true but I dont agree with everythibt else

>>9879875

If you spend all your time "ironically" being a dumbass, it stops being ironic and becomes who you are.

>>9879901
Poor reagan.
Don't wanna Start a discussion about his politics, but the guy was cool.

I think the dementia rumors are only his son being mean towards his family

>>9878660

i think there's a disconnect in your understanding of what trump says and what trump does.

>>9879907
If your unironically a dumbass you'll remain a dumbass

>>9878998
OP's pic related lays out a set of cohesive policies, and he managed to string together a coherent tax plan among other things. He also spends several pages tallying his net worth, so you know it's him.

Bannon is the philosopher.

>>9880504
There is no way Trump wrote that himself. He may have written brief portions that a ghost writer cobbled together but I highly doubt Trump could write a three page paper on economic policy nonetheless a whole book of ideas. Besides, he wouldn't have time to write it. The book was the work of aides and ghostwriters.

>>9878660
Beautifully written. You're the next Zizek.

>>9879557
Bill Clinton was America's Deng Xiaoping who destroyed the cult of Personality surrounding Reagan and liberalized the economy.

>crippled america

thats just the reuslt of their morbid obessity

>>9879875
noone can mock my cheeto duce xD

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>>9879875
hahah

>>9878651

Nice demagoguery. I hate American politics. I hate Americans.

>>9879895
Why are you so threatened by a sensible post

I edited Donald Trump's writing 7-8 years ago. I can assure you he isn't a writer.

>>9878651
A true philosopher king.

>>9880917
Proof or gtfo.

>>9880961

Confidentiality. I don't really care if you believe me. Just passing on an experience.

>>9881008
If you met him, is he as big of an idiot irl as people say?

>>9881019
Why do you need other people's opinions when you can read his Twitter?

>>9881027
/pol/ always says that "Trump ironically writes in a stupid way so that low IQ people can understand him better" or something.

>>9881019
Never met him face to face. Just a job as a contractor for a publisher.

Pants on head retarded writing. Like an extended tweet.

>>9881036
But all politician and news outlets do this. Havn't you watched a single politician or anchorman talk?

Whether Trump speaks at a 4th grade level while the other guy speaks at 6th grade level is a moot point.

Point is nigger joe, bubbah, Juan who learned English as a second language, Steve who is currently high as fuck, and your dumb as rocks sister all watch tv and need to get the message.

>>9881019
>actually believing this larper
I thought this was the smart board?

>>9878651
I can't think of a bigger insult that can be launched at philosophy than calling that uneducated fascist pig a philosopher

>>9878651
I doubt he's thought hard on anything besides himself (in only a narcissistic), so no

Wow, all these pseuds taking a salesman turned bureaucrat way too seriously. By the way, being a philosopher doesn't necessarily mean you are more in tune with the truth of the world, it often just means you are more in tune with your own bullshit than the mean person. Knowing what you don't know is a very valuable trait for people in leadership positions, and "serious thinkers" often find themselves blind to their own ignorance. Trump at least understands what he is and is willing to defer to those with greater expertise.

In any case, if youre consuming the president as anything other than a pop culture figure, youre doing it wrong. A lot of people in this thread need to stop taking themselves and the political circus so seriously

>>9879806
If all that knowledge derived from reading gave Bush the confidence that he could predict and control the outcome of invading a foreign country half the world away, he would have been better off banging those hundreds of books against his head as opposed to reading them. Information isn't always good; it can delude you into thinking you know more than you actually do and seduce you into taking risks more ignorant people would shy away from.

>>9879047
>DJT.
>a figurehead.
Figurehead wouldn't be allowed to dismiss TPP and Paris climate agreement.

>>9881490
lol now leftists are defending the fucking tpp, did u nerds already forget bernie was going to cancel it too?

>>9881495
I am not defending TPP. Though leftists are. I was just saying that figurehead wouldn't be allowed to leave those two agreements.

>>9881418
>>9881418
>the president as anything other than a pop culture figure
POTUS is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Bit more than just a "a pop culture figure".

>>9881467
So being an illiterate is okay because George W. Bush read books and he is a dumbass?

>>9881507
he's probably some eurocuck who doesn't get how the american presidency works

>>9881418
>Trump at least understands what he is and is willing to defer to those with greater expertise
No, he doesn't and isn't
Multiple law firms refused to represent him because they were rightfully afraid he would tweet out retarded shit, as he always does, and contradict whatever defense they built up

>>9881507
I said to "consume Trump" like a pop culture figure, not that he merely is one. Obviously he has some institutional power in this country (although he is ultimately a cog in a larger machine of destruction). But taking the public comments and persona of the president at face value is a big mistake, and inferring competency from them is a bigger one. By now one should understand that Trump's style is hyperbole and aggression, and that doesn't necessarily translate to policy outcomes like military intervention (Clinton much more likely to invade than Trump). Better to see his antics as an entertaining side show rather than to discern some kind of false insight from them.

>>9878998
>The man cannot form a complete sentence.
>
>Is there any evidence that he can write? Does he know how to spell, punctuation, basic rules of grammar, etc?

I realize you're probably just a braindead, brainwashed pseud who gets all of his opinions from CNN, BuzzFeed, and Bill Maher, but if you actually genuinely believe what you just wrote and actually care to see yourself proved wrong, you can easily determine through YouTube that he was an autist in the 70s and 80s, and like all autists, became a normie by forcing himself into social interaction and then creating a normie persona. You happen not to like that normie persona, in large part because you were told not to like it, but enough American voters did to elect him president.

Presuming that he's an idiot because you don't like his public speaking register is called underestimating him. Sort of like predicting the end of his campaign in December, 2015, as most smug lefties like yourself did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I

>>9878651
Your Dear Leader is what you want him to be, faggot.

>>9881515
Modern society is extremely complex, and large scale government interventions naively based in "reason" can have enormously destructive unintended consequences in that complex environment. No amount of human knowledge can take account of every variable and every interdependency in that context, so it is better to do nothing. Smart people have a habit of convincing themselves that they can understand complex systems, to tragic consequences for the world. The Iraq war was not a one man operation by Bush; the foreign policy community, full of smart, well read people, largely agreed with him and backed the invasion. We know how that worked out. Thirty years prior, public policy wonks reached consensus that because the vast majority of crime was drug related, the goverment would do well to ban drugs and clean up the streets. These are only seen as terrible ideas AFTER the fact. Information is poison if it isn't the right type of information

>>9881644
the issue with Iraq war was not the war itself but premature pulling out because cuck lefties and liberals cried for arabs.

>>9881610

I was going to "troll" you and reply back arguing Donald Trump sincerely is not able to read, but first I watched that video. Wow. I don't know what to say. Thanks for sharing that. It's a shame this won't ever be common knowledge.

>>9881490
What makes you think it was him that dismissed them?

>>9881274
>uneducated fascist

lmao

>>9880917
I am Donald trump and can assure you this is not true. Proof: I will nuke nk tomorrow.

>>9878665
>kys urself at earliest oppt. my dude

shouldn't you be shitposting $hillbot things over on /b/ or reddit?

>>9881710
Also watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kew5Gf_qVL4 it demonstrates a well expressed, consistent set of beliefs.

>>9881839
Because those ideas stem from Stephen "literally Goebbels" Miller and Stephen "literally President" Bannon, and thus they're not popular, they're reactionary, they're anti-globalist, they're anti-GOPe & DNC.

Not a single puppetmaster would allow themselves to take such a hit. It even shifts the overton window in a relevant manner when the greatest country currently takes this stance.

sure he didn't come to the decision alone, but it took him to sign USA away from them.

>>9881988
If you say so, bud. I don't buy into your Hegelian view of current history. Politicausality is a tricky thing. I agree with you about Miller being Geobbels reborn as a Jew though. I was just talking with my brother about that a few days ago.

>>9882012
Miller in press briefing about RAISE Act was a glorious sight.

Poor fucking Acosta.

>>9880772
>tries with pseudo-intellectuals bs

Doesn't work

> tries a mix of "high brown" irony and standard le drumpf joke. Uses Duce instead of hitler becuase he wants to show that he indeed has a culture

>>9880903
B8?

>>9881274
Alt right pseuds are pathetic, but the moralistic leftwubg pseuds are just so entertaining

>>9879892
lol drumpfy btfo

slayyyy qween

>>9879892
Wow posting this on r/politics now for le reddit gold.

>>9878660
>>9880747
I legit lauged at this. Thanks.

>>9881610
>being this gay for a 90 IQ reality tv star meme president with dementia

Cute video tho

>>9881930
Stop samefagging and kys

>>9879806
FUCK OFF, JEB.
YOU LOST.
JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH IT ALREADY.