3 days left!!!!

10..another review just came in that said its a masterpiece

https://scifibulletin.com/books/fantasy/review-jerusalem/

just found my birthday present.
Thanks
x

I saw it being sold in a bookstore yesterday. I bought JR instead.

>>8490643
why?

But seriously what's up with the shitty drawings on the cover

>>8490649
Because J R is better than anything Moore ever wrote or will write.

>>8490499
9.5

>>8490657
So you bought a book you've already read?

>>8490643
>being lucky enough to find a bookstore that broke street date
Was it a chain by any chance?

>>8490650
Meta memery and Northampton references

3 of 10 which means I have no hype at all. 0 isn't a natural number. I HATE ZFC. Jews.

>>8490702
>natural
nice spook

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not really hyped even though I really liked the watchmen when I read it in eighth grade. The fact that thirteen year old me loved alan moore makes me skeptical of him now. Is this a graphic novel too?

>>8490686
>Northampton references
I have even more esoteric Northampton references so no worries when these become mainstream. I've got your elitist backs lads

does alan moore post here?
Why is he paying people to viral market his dumb comic book about jews

>>8490720
>At age thirteen, David’s idea of heaven was somewhere that comics were acclaimed and readily available, perhaps with dozens of big budget movies featuring his favorite obscure costumed characters. Now that he’s in his fifties and his paradise is all around him he finds it depressing…When all this extraordinary stuff is happening everywhere, are Stan Lee’s post-war fantasies of white neurotic middle-class American empowerment really the most adequate response?

>>8490657
yeah right

Gaddis was a fraud..Watchmen is better than anything that clown ever wrote

>>8490725
This is more like Rand posting if anything.

I've just curious, not hype. I'm trying to figure out what it is, a book that does a variety of literary styles and a lot of references all revolving around his hometown?

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>>8490725
>newfag can't into Blake

>>8490499
Do I buy this, Bottom's Dream, or both?

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>>8490499
>Truthfully, it’s hard to tell who this book is for. Lit-nerds desperate to see Samuel Beckett talk to John Clare in a Samuel Beckett play? Econ 101 fanboys yearning for a Russian epic about Reagonomics? Socialist goths struggling to rationalize modern physics with Christian doctrine? Who will read this thing?

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>After thinking about this long and hard, the last truly great book I read would have to be “Infinite Jest,” by David Foster Wallace. Yeah, sorry. This was my first exposure to Wallace’s work, only a month or two ago, and I don’t think there’s anything about the novel that doesn’t impress me: its stream of satirical invention, with conventional dating gone in favor of a subsidized calendar and the Year of the Depend Adult Undergarment; its mandarin prose that perfectly conjures the trancelike drift of a modern consciousness overwhelmed by detail; and its breathtaking risks with structure, so that the whole experience seems to pivot upon a climactic resolving chapter — either right at the end of the narrative or right at the beginning — which does not actually exist and which therefore requires the reader to create it herself, from slender inference. I think the moment I probably fell in love with Wallace as a writer was the point where I realized that I was actually meant to be irritated by all of the occasionally crucial footnotes. An author after my own heart, and a genuine modern American diamond in the tradition of Thomas Pynchon, Robert Coover and Gilbert Sorrentino.

ONE OF US

>>8490499
Is this the dank new maymay?

>>8490733
*unzips katana*

>>8490792
So you know how like there are different eras of the classical pantheon (like Chronus, then Zeus)? This is the start of a later maymay pantheon.

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>>8490720

>the watchmen

>the

>>8490725

he has no internet

>>8490745
>I'm trying to figure out what it is, a book that does a variety of literary styles and a lot of references all revolving around his hometown?
Pretty much, with a broad metaphysical thing about time/existence

>Jerusalem buzzes with life, it’s a semiotic ocean of a book which makes Ulysses look like a primer. Vigorous, vulgar and wise it’s packed with a million observations and insights and some of the best writing on the planet. It’s what we’ve been waiting for — the great British novel.” – Michael Moorcock

What's book even about?

>>8490936
gay sex

>>8490931
Isn't Moorcock that fag who writes nothing but genreshit? Why should anyone care about what he has to say as a critic?

>>8490936
A bunch of shit over the course of 10,000 years in Moore's shitty town.

>>8490747
I'm too pleb for poetry, pls explain that shit to me

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>>8491524
First half is about the apocryphal story that Jesus visited England in his early years, and briefly established Heaven at Glastonbury.

"Dark satanic mills" = the Industrial Revolution, factories belching smoke into the countryside, people working slave wages, etc.

In contrast, Jerusalem = Heaven, or an idyllic society. The second half is all about Blake saying that he'll never stop working to bring this about through his writings ("Mental Fight").

It's basically a call for rebellion against the British Empire - Blake was a big supporter of the French Revolution, and friends with radical figures like Thomas Paine. And to bring it all back around, Moore used the poem in V for Vendetta for that association, so clearly it's a big influence on him too.

7? kinda excited. I still don't know whether I want the hardcover or the paperback box set though.

>>8490931
yes yes yes

>>8490931
> the great British novel

Nonsensical statement

>>8490531
whens your b day anon

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Jerusalem is getting so much hype that it'll be impossible for it to live up to expectations.

This is no-mans sky all over again.

>>8491793
>Jerusalem is getting so much hype that it'll be impossible for it to live up to expectations.
It must be difficult to be a retarded person.

>>8491801
To the contrary, no one questions your worthlessnes, endless chicken tendies, no limit shitposting. The best part is going to be buying Jerusalem, reading 1/10th of it and discussing it on /lit/ anyway.

Why haven't you become a retard yet anon?

its going to be the greatest British book of all time

Going to be the greatest British book since Ulysses.

>>8491911
Ulysses was an Irish book :)

>>8491945
Scottish*

hyped...put me at 8

>>8491953
>>8491945
>>8491911
Shit*

>>8492016
hehe very epic

hardback vs 3 volume paperback with sleeve, /lit/?

I just preordered this shit. Did I just fuck up?

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>>8492212
This was GOAT so I'm sure Jerusalem will be amazing too.

>>8492251
The first story in that book is still such a hard read, the linguistic shackles were so strong.

Moore is damn fine at prose, I am happy to experience his post-comics career.

>>8490499
1. I've seen pages from it and its the rantings of a schizophrenic lunatic.

>>8492267
Yeah it took me a ridiculously long time to get through that first chapter.

>>8490499
0, sci-fi is for children. This is for the pretentious grown up ones who can't read big boy literature, so they need something to act like it's just as good.

man who cares about the reviews. it's getting reviewed by people who like Sci fi and genre fiction. even if it's a little bit good these idiots are going to gush over it. you can't take any of the reviews seriously. it's like taking the scifi/fantasy threads word for something lmao.

>>8492290
>sci-fi
You didn't even read the blurb, did you.

Is Moore lit? The only impressions I have of him come from the watchmen movie and my literature professor who was a gay overweight gentleman with rings on every one of his fingers that believed he was a wizard also. He would talk about what he thought was good lit and good anime after class with a small coterie of adoring students.

>>8492309
I don't give a shit about his childrens picture books but his prose novels are great.

>>8492309
He's notorious for having Hollywood make really hacky adaptations of his stuff, the Watchmen movie changed Ozymandias' whole characterization

>>8492330
how did it change Ozy's characterization?

>>8492416
in the comic he seemed more genial and warm, someone who actually feels genuine when he said that he felt bad for all the lives lost (the excerpts and interviews in between chapters gave him more characterization that the chapters don't). In the movie he has a nazi accent and became a snidely whiplash villain.

>>8490513
>scifibulletin.com

>>8491635
>tfw the Tories sing it and people are always trying to make it the national anthem
It's such a perfect example of co-optation.

>>8492298
Have any actual Reviews (big r) taken a look at it? Would tepidly accept the Times of London or New Yorker tier stuff too.

>>8492975
Kirkus: Magisterial: an epic that outdoes Danielewski, Vollmann, Stephenson, and other worldbuilders in vision and depth.

I enjoyed Cryptonomicon but comparing to Stephenson makes me wary.

On his favorite authors:

>I tend to exist at a remote and quarantined distance from most of the world’s news and information media. Given what a spectacular year this is turning out to be for bad news on both sides of the Atlantic, there remains a lingering anxiety about whether all of one’s nominees will still be extant come the (so to speak) deadline. With that said, there follows a painfully incomplete list of names that happen to be passing through my mind right at this specific moment: Pynchon; Coover; Neal Stephenson; Junot Díaz; Joe Hill; William Gibson; Bruce Sterling; Samuel R. Delany; Iain Sinclair; Brian Catling; Michael Moorcock (his currently underway “Whispering Swarm” trilogy is astonishing); Eimear McBride; the remarkable Steve Aylett for everything, and in particular for his indispensable and quietly radioactive “Heart of the Original”; Laura Hird; Geoff Ryman; M. John Harrison; screenwriter Amy Jump. ... Look, I can either go on forever or I can’t go on. I’m already mortified by the pathetic lack of women writers represented and find myself starting to come up with wretched excuses and squirming evasions. Best we end this here.

2 days left

>>8490499
I aint reading that shit

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>>8492097
I dunno, it seems like there's two different editions of the slipcase (maybe different sizes, hard to tell from the first pic)

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>>8493315

>>8490499
Served him at Waterstones the other day, he's coming back in on Tuesday to sign a few books.

i think its going to be the book of the decade

>>8493750
Not got much competition, has it?

my hype level is moderate, but I do think that a month after Jerusalem drops and Moore's comic fanbase can't hang and the hype drops McCarthy's The Passenger will drop and completely BTFO Jerusalem in every literary aspect. I think The Passenger is going to make Big J look silly.
I'd still like to read it though.

>>8493765
The Passanger? whens that coming out?

>>8490513

please nobody click on this poorly worded garbage.

>>8490725

ALT RIGHT ALT RIGHT HOORAH

>>8493920
>The Passenger

Knopf doesn’t have any McCarthy title listed for release in September but that they do have two untitled units (listed in their system as “book 1” and “book 2”) slated for a March 2017 release.

literature seems pointless after this book

>>8494516
I thought death was supposed to seem nonexistent after this book?

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>>8490730
>comics
>white empowerment

kek

>>8494869
>made thor a woman and then had it get fucked by a black dude
this is no longer accurately described by the word "cucking"

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>>8494933
problem goy?

>>8494869
>>8494967
I don't blame Moore for quitting the industry desu

>>8490776
>>8492988
where should i start with Robert Coover and Gilbert Sorrentino? has anyone here read their works?

>>8494974
Moore quit the industry decades ago. the "industry" is the euphemism Moore uses for the major publishers like DC and Marvel. what he's doing now is retiring from the medium after he wraps up the trio of his ongoing series.

>>8494967
Wait, this is for real?
Those "censored" lines were published like this, printed on paper and then sold in stores?

>>8494995
That is exactly what is printed on the page.

What is this exactly?

>>8495012
Now I finally understand why Americans want Trump

>>8495082
Trump is literally a fuck you vote to the powers that be and American media. Even disenfranchised Bernie supporters feel that way in America. Marvel is a shit company for trying to do this stuff, but, as far I understand it, these issues typically do not sell well compared to the books that stick to the basic fundamentals of serialized comic-dom.

>>8492097
I think I am going to get the hardcover.

>>8495112
>as far I understand it, these issues typically do not sell well compared to the books that stick to the basic fundamentals of serialized comic-dom
Very wrong. It's a "any publicity..." kind of deal. If they piss off a group of people or, better yet, their fans, they always sell more in the short term.

9/10

2 days

>>8492988
>Look, I can either go on forever or I can’t go on.
>slipping in a Beckettism
Shitting hell Alan.

>>8490499
>Moore's true magnum opus is From Hell

>>8495490
Watchmen is much more iconic than From Hell

>Section three is by far the most challenging. While it appears disjointed at first each of these chapters not only moves the story forward but serves to tie together the many, many threads he has introduced. Mr. Moore writes from different points of view, exploring a variety of styles, some maddeningly experimental. One chapter is written in the form of an epic poem. Another is a crime noir detective story with the main character, who is not what he appears to be, investigating the connections between Northampton and William Blake. There is the script for a stage play which features the ghosts of several poets and thinkers, including Samuel Beckett, which is appropriate given the “Waiting For Godot”-like structure of the play and its meta-commentary on the entire book.

There are the chapters that appear to be overt paeans to Joyce. One is a stream of consciousness flow without punctuation, a la’ Molly Bloom’s soliloquy in “Ulysses.” Another is, without a doubt, the most difficult chapter to read and the one that is most likely to thwart those who try. Earlier in the novel Mr. Moore establishes the idea of the language of the angels: Words that sound like nonsense, but unfold within the mind of the listener to contain layers of meaning and metaphor. This entire chapter is an attempt to capture that experience, composed entirely of a made-up language. It is nonsense poetry spoken by Lucia Joyce (the daughter of James, who spent part of her life in an asylum), that gradually, as it is read, begins to reveal an internal logic and meaning.

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/books/2016/09/10/Jerusalem-by-Alan-Moore-Just-don-t-call-it-Ulysses-for-Druids/stories/201609090255?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

another extremely positive review...this book sounds insane

>>8495571
HOLY SHITTTTTT

>>8495571

>joyce chapter

Ofs

Hope u guys enjoy your book

Preordered based on this thread.
hype level: 6
I can tolerate ambitious dreck so I'll be okay either way.

where is everyone pre-ordering from? which edition has the black spines? like
>>8493319
i dont want the one with the colors on the side.

>>8495506
Ew superhero genre shit? That can't make me feel sophisticated and literary, into the trash

>>8490499
8 - slightly intimidated but don't want to get too excited

I've already decided I'm gonna preorder it. Which should I get the hardcover or paperback set?

Which one are you getting /lit/??

>>8496403
Don't know, why don't you ask in the other thread?

>>8496438
hehe ebin :^)

Ready for a new meme. Hope it delivers.

But Northampton is a shithole

American Gods was campy and self indulgent so I'm guessing this is going to be similar.

I don't see why anyone expects Moore to be a literary genius just because he's good at comics.

>>8496478
>American Gods
>Moore
Here's your (You), now get out

>>8496486
I'm estimating Moore's book will be around the same level as Gaiman's.

>>8496478
Voice of the Fire was great and way better than American Gods, which is why people are expecting a lot from this. Give it a read.

>>8496504
On which basis? In comics, Moore is revolutionary, while Gaiman mostly copied him.

>>8496478
because he is a literary genius

1 day LEFTTTTTTT

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There was a review of this book in Entertainment Weekly. The reviewer gave it an A-.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/01/jerusalem-alan-moore-ew-review

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is there a version with the blue red and green colors? is there an all black one? is it the hardcover?

>>8496478
Because people that praises him are not used to good literature, and therefore anything can surprass a low bar.

> People here don't read Joyce and treats it like a boring and overrated book
> mfw to make this book looks better, it is compared to Joyce.

>>8497080
Because people that doubts him can't write, I question whether they canst read the language in question

>>8497034
The hardcover is a single thick black tome. Haven't seen any pictures of those color ones outside of amazon.

>>8490758
>Implying this is not the sort of absolute memery /lit/ adores

All in all and despite the shilling, this book does seem to take a little bit from every book of the meme trilogy, I expect this to become a small order (smaller than Bolaño, bigger than Gaddis) meme.

>>8497388
where else can i buy it from then? i really dont want the colored ones.

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>>8497399
What I meant was that the color ones are probably some sort of sample-only mock edition. Every other photo I've seen has black volumes. Though a website with these black covers describes them as a "dummy edition".

So I don't know, really. Maybe wait a couple days for photos of the actual retail book come out and see what's what.

>>8497415
alright thanks anon

>>8496473
The most literary shithole.

And you won't even be talking about the east side which is like picturesque village and real real shithole.

I read a bit of this today. The Lucia Joyce part was fun to read, though, not particularly inventive or original. The rest I skipped around to was fine. Anyone hit any other parts they enjoyed?

>>8497452
why are you skipping around..read the whole thing?

>>8497455
I was at the store. Don't reply to me with that tone again. Answer my question, or fuck off.

>>8497473
why are you at the store... buy it online?

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>>8497415
Inside covers on that edition are nice too

>>8498359
Hmm, they're not awful but I wouldn't go so far as to call them nice.

>>8490753
Bottom's Dream will sell out faster, and Jerusalem's more likely to be better maintained. Get BD now; wait a while for the price of Jerusalem to drop.

>b-buh Dalkey always keeps their books in print!
Usually; not always.

>author of v for vendetta, watchmen

why is this capeshit garbage being memed

>>8498423
Because it sounds weird

>>8490513
is it a tour de force?
a virtuoso performance?
a triumph?
a landmark achievement?

Will it keep me on the edge of my seat?
Will it keep me guessing until the very last page?

>>8498423
>thinks watchmen was anything less than godtier

>>8492540
aren't today's tories basically whigs though?

Watchmen is part of the Western Canon

its up there with works like Gravitys Rainbow, Blood Merridian etc.

>>8498454
No.

>>>/co/

>>8499284
I want useless spackers who think Moore only writes comics and probably aren't even familiar with his legendary spoken word pieces to leave.

>>8498592
Tbh honest I'd rate it above GR. Still somehow have mediocre hopes for this new one though, not sure if I'll seek a copy.

>>8498359

they are gaudy.

should i get from hell or watchmen?

the subject of jack the ripper seems as boring as capeshit to me.

Is it out today or tomorrow?

>>8499324
Watchmen if you are at all even remotely interested in Superheros or the phenomenon of superhero cliche.

From Hell if you're at all remotely interested Free Masonry, Architecture, Gore, life of the Victorian slums and feels.

>>8490499
0. I'm a huge Alan Moore fan and will defend his best work to death against the contrarians in /co/ but he hasn't done anything good since the mid 2000's. I'm also always skeptical when comic writers try to become real writers, especially considering that Moore's strength was that he really embraced comics as their own art form rather than just trying to do novels with pictures/movies on paper.

>>8499329

ty. looks like im not getting any moore.

its going to be epic

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>>8499344
Fair enough

Just got notified that my copy is being shipped.

Hype level off the chart.

>>8499332
Providence has been pretty good. Old man is at least leaving Comics on a high note.

>>8499332
Moore already has an excellent prose novel so there's no reason to think this one won't be of the same or better quality.

>>8499332
see >>8499293

>>8498592
movie version was better
nuclear explosion made more sense than a monster octopus from outer space

>>8499881
it wasn't an alien..it was a genetically engineered squid

I read it

I can honestly say, Moore is one of the legends of literature

8/10

>>8490747
Absolute Tune

I picked up the Hardcover yesterday. It's huge and heavy, but flimsy. The spine is very loose if that makes sense. I move it up on my to be read stack because I love Moore's wacky old man wizard status. I hope It's good. Has anyone read Providence, Voices of the Fire, and any of his lesser known comics? I'm only familiar with his popular works.

>>8500172
Also, the colored paperbacks might be the American version. The others might be the photograph covers. I would have preferred those but the B&N only had the colored.

>>8490499
Just Marathoned the first couple of sentences and i think it's okay. Not sure if i want to read on though. His writing style lacks this "Movie-Feel" that i like my books to have

>>8500172
I've been really enjoying Providence and I'm not even a Lovecraft fanboy. The way it subtly and matter-of-factly presents the mindfuckingly weird horror is fascinating. There is also a streak of dark humour with the protagonist's journal entries misinterpreting what he thinks he's witnessed.
It's only 2 issues from ending and just hit a total fucker of a climax, I can't wait to see how he wraps it up.

>>8499319
Understated sepia photography is not gaudy, how dumb are you

>>8499949
The fake psychic alien also made more sense than a nuclear explosion.

>>8498359
Nice shot of the express lifts tower.

>>8490702
What does ZFC have to with this?

>>8495082
>being trolled this easily

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>>8500406
>lol it's just a prank bro xD

>>8500244
>Reading books because they feel like movies
Bloody hell anon

>>8490499
Your thread is shit, fuck off.

>>8500172
Voice of the Fire is excellent, though it might end up feeling like a trial run compared to Jerusalem. I've only read the first few issues of Providence but it's pretty good even if you're not a Lovecraft fanatic, as anon said.

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Going to look for the epub online to check it out

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>>8500614
Do tell if you found a good download link.

>>8500540
No.

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PIcs of the HC

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/12/alan-moores-jerusalem-its-here-on-my-floor/

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>>8500757

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>>8500764

>>8500811
Could you post one without the dust jacket?

>>8500831
it's from the blog i linked, sorry

>>8500489
>Just Marathoned the first couple of sentences
Bloody hell anon

>>8500811
>please write back

Is this the literary "pls respond"?

>>8500934
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2016/07/you-are-best-author-in-human-history.html

>your lit hero will never quote you on his magnun opus

>>8500947
>Thanks again for a great letter, and thanks for calling me the best author in human history, which I don’t necessarily agree is completely true but which I may well end up using as a quote on the back of one of my books someday.

Fuck, I'll never hate this guy.

hey /lit/. haven't read a book in a long time. I'm looking forward to reading this in real-time rather than procrastinate and have to revisit everything when i blow the dust off.

is this book expected to be difficult as far as writing level and allusions to other lit, advanced topics? I've never read a hyped book as it was just released and lurked the collective discussion as it happened.

>>8490499
0

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I didn't know the look inside part was open on Amazon already. Here's the first page of the prelude.

>>8495815
It's a deconstruction of capeshit

>>8501160
good fucking lord

>>8501172
Yeah wasn't impressed either.

>>8501180
one fucking page your pretentious fuck

>>8501172
Not enough action for you?

>>8497018
>At age thirteen, David’s idea of heaven was somewhere that comics were acclaimed and readily available, perhaps with dozens of big budget movies featuring his favorite obscure costumed characters. Now that he’s in his fifties and his paradise is all around him he finds it depressing…When all this extraordinary stuff is happening everywhere, are Stan Lee’s post-war fantasies of white neurotic middle-class American empowerment really the most adequate response?

Dropped.

>>8501187
Calm down Alan I'll read some more when I find it online tomorrow.

>>8501081
Eh, hard to know at this point. Moore can be as entry-level as it gets, but also writes stuff that requires you to git gud. Seems like Jerusalem will span across that whole range.

Anyone know where to get an ebook? If it's available shouldn't someone be filesharing somewhere

>>8501386
It's not out yet you muppet.

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>>8500811
"makes Ulysses look like a primer"
-Michael Moorcock

>>8501160
>mentioning a fucking Woolworth's on Gold Street and not GOAT Brieley's
Suck a cock Alan.

>>8501200
why? did that description of today's Hollywood comic book culture hit a little too close to home?

>>8501160
damn. that's in no way impressive. reads verbosely like a freshman's creative writing assignment, that one dude who falls in love with every description he ever wrote and every metaphor he ever thought up. i think i'll skip this one.

>>8501731
Your arbitrary associations mean nothing. The only sin is artistic disunity. If someone intends to write a microscopically detailed account of the psychic landscape of a five-year-old girl as part of a four-dimensional mythology, who are you to say they can't?

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>>8501398
Oh I thought it came out today sorry.............faggot

>>8501160
I kind of like where it's going desu, tho obviously hard to tell with just the one character.

>>8501758
This. The memory gap is an interesting start. Moore does this thing I like where his stories start slow and relatively normal before going balls-deep in oddity.

>>8501740
what are you even talking about? how do you make the leap from criticism to censorship? i won't even broach the juvenile "artistic disunity" bit. bad writing is bad writing, mate. read several more books and you might possibly acquire the skills to assess creative writing.

>>8501791
The writing isn't bad.

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>>8501791
Ah, the old "I have read quite a few books in my time" argument. Well done!

I agree with the other anon, you're just trying to justify your opinion with a shitty half baked framework. To me it read alright, tho I cannot exactly judge it on a single page. And what ot's dealing with isn't pleb either, it's quite deep tbqh.

>>8501808
as i mentioned in my abbreviated criticism, the writing is verbose, distractingly so. the use of adverbs is pedestrian as well as his adjectives. reread the first sentence of the third graph and tell me there isn't a more succinct way to compose it. brevity is the soul of you know what. Moore's intricate prose calls upon the reader to admire it, yet there's nothing to admire because not only is he not saying much (here, undoubtedly he has much to say elsewhere in the 1,000+ page tome) but the passage reads like, as also previously mentioned, has no filter discerning what to leave in and what to discard. that's one of the main issues come across in college and post-grad creative writing courses and plenty of first- or second-time novelists.

>>8501816
no, that was simply an ad hominem. how i judge the writing is from years of experience doing so. some of us are professionals here and have actual experience editing technical, ad writing, and prose.

>>8501840
You're just grumpy. The writing is fine. If you want cut and dry go read an instruction manual.

>>8501848
>and have actual experience editing technical, ad writing, and prose
Unrelated
Unrelated
Vague
You should write to Mr Moore and inform him that his writing is unsuitable for ad work or technical manuals.

>>8501864
You know what, forget that guy - I'll write him about it, maybe he'll use it as a blurb for his next oddball project

Good prose is prose that does what it's supposed to do, in such a way that the reader can understand and interpret the style/conventions in use in accordance with the writer's intent. As a result good prose can be as infinitely varied as books can be.

And even just within one page of this book, a clear style and intention is emerging. As you read down the page, slowly receiving pieces of information, what begins as a disorienting web of floating details starts to resolve into a clear picture. This builds towards the lower paragraph when he gives you the key to what you're actually dealing with ("the blank gap in her recollection") and your understanding of Alma's mental journey over the page slots cleanly into place.
Now, from reading reviews and impressions, it sounds like the overall structure of the book is actually similar - touring around vast blocks of narrative and detail that slowly retroactively reveal their meaning and alignment with the ultimate theme, images coming into focus. Which would mean that we have our mode of engagement with the whole 1000+ page novel set out in the first page. That seems pretty intelligent to me.

I for one can't wait for the parts of the book where it goes into full blown Moore mode, complete with purple so prose it crosses to indigo.

>Right from the start, existence was a worry. There have always been these long, nail-biting stretches of anxiety. After the fuss and fireball of that first Big Bang, there was no follow-up, just silent blackness lasting for millennia. The elements of substance were in place, but form would still take time. One flash, then that uncertain pause. The Universe as a substandard firework no-one dare approach. Was that it? Protracted hush in that vast auditorium. Occasionally a cough of gamma rays. The tense, pre-curtain dark, extended for a thousand thousand centuries. First night nerves there in that first night. The quantum tingle of anticipation.

>Nobody knows what to expect at this unprecedented matinee. The author, if there is one, has no track record. The black décor yields no clue as to the drama yet to come, save to suggest it may not be a comedy. What if it's something difficult and Modern: Samuel Beckett with neutrinos?

>Meanwhile, the racket of existence tuning up. A rhythm quartet of primeval powers: the weak force; gravity; electromagnetism; the strong force. Four titanic virtuosi, newly born and unrehearsed. There's no sheet-music, there's no set-list. Nothing for it now but improv Jazz, although let's keep it tight. No room for solos. If the start-conditions of the cosmos should be out by only half a beat, the weak force weaker or the strong force fractionally more butch, then matter will not fix and things will have no glue. No riff, just an undifferentiated background noise.

>The long, uneasy silence following the first event extends. The darkness shifts uncomfortably and then, above, just as we've given up on them, one at a time, the stars come on.

>>8501967
That was probably not the best example so let me try again:

>By Wapping Wall, I watched a human pelvis bob downriver, old, plaque-coloured, flecked with algae in a fierce viridian rash, and there was nothing to be done. It looked like any other pelvis I have seen, a calcious outlined sketch of Mickey Mouse's head. It turned and ducked and drifted then, drifts now in memory, mine, and your imagination. Twisting slowly through the cold suspensions at the river's edge, where pirates hung in chains until the tides stuffed their repenting throats with silt. The bone was tumbling like a dice at the conclusion of a long and rattling throw commenced with birth. Crapped out. Snake's eyes. The clumped weed clings to it, nostalgia for a lost pudenda. Swerves now, sinks, is gone. Leave it behind us, almost buried, jutting from the beds of sleep and recollection. Move on to the city hypothetical, the virtual London scaped from essence, where past schemes and mildewed visions show, old wallpaper behind a peeling present.

>Here, amongst conceptual terraces, past violence thrusts, a black insistent grass between the flags. Here is the serial killer's dreamtime, murder Mecca, Saucy Jack and the Masonic songlines, bloodlines, scabbed now, faint with age, their power all but exhausted by our need to pick, to touch. Here too is Princelet Street, a house unoccupied save for a brace of tailors on the third floor where the Channel 4 "Without Walls" oddity "The Cardinal and the Corpse" was shot in part. In company with poets Brian Catling, Aaron Williamson and Iain Sinclair I crouched there in an upper room and clutched a first edition of The Magus, an alchemical text penned by Francis Barrett in the eighteenth century. This was my final scene; typecast as an occult fanatic by the mordant Sinclair, raving and obsessed by the geometries of Whitechapel, I find myself alone, condemned to spend eternity in a bare attic overlooking Christchurch Spitalfields. The Barrett book is open at a page of illustrations that depict the fallen angels, or the "Vessels of Iniquity and Wrath." Through the window looms the spire of Hawkmoor's awful church. I look up from the book and gaze in panic at the empty room in which I am to spend forever as a prisoner of my own obsessions. It's a wrap.

>>8501943
>detail that slowly retroactively reveal their meaning and alignment with the ultimate theme, images coming into focus
Not that it's such an unusual way to proceed but it's textbook Moore, especially in Voice of the Fire

>>8501967
The audio version of that is haunting
>tfw Moore didn't read his own work this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNaFcOW0FJ0

>>8501985
Is this from one of his spoken word pieces?

>>8501840
whaaaaaa!

>>8502042
That's from the Moon and Serpent one

http://www.vulture.com/2016/09/alan-moore-jerusalem-comics-writer.html

here's a good interview

this is our generations Ulysses

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>>8500406

I don't know if you're trolling, or if you're just unaware, but that legitimately is how the comic was printed.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/unsolicited-opinions-on-israel

>>8502260
not really. he never claimed anyone needs to grow up, but its the headline

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>>8500406
>>8502421
this takes place 20 years agon


when you try and be open and inclusive you let in a loot of trash

>>8502421
I think this page was originally scripted by PAD, and while he's no literary writer, the underlying irony was most likely intentional

are people memeing or should i buy this

>>8502850
Bit of both desu

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>already preordered
can't wait for the immanent shitposting, but I am legitimately excited to get into this.

A little bit pissed because I set a goal for books read this year and between Moby Dick, Pynchon, and several history texts (all of which are 500+ pages) I'm technically over a dozen books behind where I should be this time of year.

Fuck it, I'll never get to 50

>>8502850
its too big to ignore for $20. go to town and beg for change.

>>8502629
So Stark googled before google? What a superpower.

Just got this and spent the last few hours marathoning it. I rate it 7.5/10.

It's out now. This is our The Recognitions, our Ulysses, our Infinite Jest, our Dhalgren, this is masterpiece and hell of a work.

>>8503513
and by us you mean all the twelve-year-olds?

>>8503540
Your reccs for books coming out bruh?

>>8503548
>reccs
>bruh
Low class scum.

>>8503553
>Low class scum

Low class scum.

>>8501840
I understand where you're coming from. The writing is verbose, but that doesnt mean it's bad or "graduate". There is room in literature for purple, fluffy, foamy -whatever you want to call it- prose, especially when the writer has the chops, experience and ability to write compelling and long lasting works. You can argue that since they're comics they are lesser works, and you are mostly right, but that doesnt change the fact that they had something to say.

There's alot of "simple short prose is better" going around. Simplicity is more succint and makes your brain fill in the blanks, I agree, but from time to time it's nice to see a writer go all out with style.

>>8501160
>much-trodden
>lit-up
>out-flung
all in the same fucking sentence. tell me again how this is a masterpiece?

>>8503916
Scraping the barrel for shitposts now lad.

>>8503937
i simply take umbrage that Jerusalem compares in any way to Infinite Jest, Gravity's Rainbow, and Ulysses besides length. i've read some of Moore's prose. there's a reason why he is not considered a great or literary writer. his comic book work is intriguing, though and quite fun, which i'll opine Jerusalem is, too. but a masterpiece?

Can somebody confirm whether the hardcover edition of this has sewn signatures? Will determine whether I buy.

If you're not sure and you own the book, post a photo of the top edge with the spine included so I can see.

>>8503974
he's a shit author. he wrote watchmen and V for vendetta. what a fucking resume

>>8504115
>Wrote arguably the best stuff in a shitty pulp medium
>Therefore he won't be any good when he tries a different medium

>>8504115
>>8504123
Personally I think he has some skill, I certainly enjoy it when he uses Lovecraftian style prose, but its the directions he goes that makes him mediocre. His best years are behind him, and attempting something this ambitious at this point is 1Q84 tier.

It might be a little good, but not that much. Based on the amount of hype, Jerusalem will probably crash and burn.

>>8504139
what makes you think it won't be better than Ulysses

Hell Toni Morrison is already a better author than Joyce ever was

>>8504160
Stop it's too much, I can't handle this level of shitposting

this thread reminds me of /g/s apple announce thread: so much speculation and conjecture.

>>8504139
what hype? other than comic book aficionados, i know of no one who is in any way excited or this release.

>>8504160
i've read most of Morrison's work. i've read all of Joyce's. in no way is Morrison in the same league as Joyce. and i enjoy most of her work. Jazz doesn't work for me and her latest two haven't been as stellar as Beloved, Sula, or Song of Solomon.

>pseuds shitting on Moore but praising Arno Schmidt's original donut steal fanfic

>>8504160
ok you're making us Moore advocates look bad. pls stop. I'm liking Jerusalem so far but Ulysses it is not.

>>8504160
have a (You)

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>>8503980
Clothed for your pleasure.

>>8504617
that's just the dhalgren spammer, don't respond