/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

Does anyone have a link for TGO?

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>tfw I am liking Crossroads of goddamn Twilight

What is happening to me? Is this Stockholm Syndrome?

>>8296489
Yes, because it's been so long since you've read a good book.

>>8296530

I actually read short stories inbtweetrn WoT books, to break the monotony.

Also I guess I'm in too deep to stop now.

Akka...had a hard life.

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Why is fantasy so much better than science fiction?

>>8296561

There is really no difference aside from marketing convenience.

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>Kellhus isn't a Gary Stu because he's not a good person

>>8296568

We should edit the image to fit him. Wouldn't even need to change that many things, kek.

>>8296568
Every time I see a Bakker quote I laugh.
He's unintentional comedy.

>>8296576

Yeah, he's just a Rothfuss/Abercrombie tier edgemaster but with philosophical mumbo jumbo thrown in which of course fools /lit/ into thinking it's some SFF achievement.

>>8296584
That's all there, but the funniest thing are those names. They are about as linguistically sound as my farts, but 1/4 of every sentence is that nonsense.

>>8296584
That's because he's washed out of school and failed his PhD dissertation.

>>8296589
I didn't know it was possible in philosophy.
Here any nonsense can pass because it's not really an "objective" field.

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>finally grasp the absolute
>still no gf

hooray i guess

>>8296675
Platonism is in no way related to having a gf.
But if you are a hegelian, you fucked up, hegelians always get pussy.

What other fantasy novel has elves like Discworld elves?

I'm tired of wise sages living in hidden villages. I want psychopaths fucking up with humans.

No Great Ordeal spoilers pls bros. (Or spoiler tag them if you must)

Thanks

aurang is one cheeky fukkin cunt swear to mog m8

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The shittiest cover art.

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The shittiest novel

>>8296803
>>8296817

is that Manu Bennett

>>8296803
>>8296817
>The man in the dinner plate silently roared as a servant placed a leg of roast turkey over his eyes.

>>8296562
What's the LotR of sci-fi then?

>>8296845

Dune.

>>8296851
Dune is Fantasy.

>>8296903
Science fiction and fantasy are more or less the same thing with a different excuse on why x is so.

>>8296903
As are all books, if you stretch the definition. Stretching the definition is the only way to encompass Dune in that genre as well.

Friendly reminder that Tuon is oriental looking.

Their are no black people in WOT.

Can someone spoil The Great Ordeal for me?
I've basically forgotten all the characters introduced in the second trilogy and I don't think I'll get back into it.

Also I think I worked out how it will all end/what the inchoroi's problem was

>>8296911

The Saldeans are Oriental I think. Seanchan should look Caucasian.

Also Taraboners, Tairens and Domani while not exactly black are at least brown.

>>8296925
>Domani while not exactly black are at least brown.

Domani are spanish looking.

>>8296917
Things become even WORSE

>>8296911
>Their are no black people in WOT.
Sure there is: the main villain of the series is the Dark One.

>>>/tv/72155119

Is the No-God Nau-Cayuti?

What are some fantasy novels on par with Malazan in terms of scope, world-building and complexity, but don't end up meandering into oblivion with philosophical ramblings and preaching?

>>8296483

this

>>8296996
http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/z1Ft2TwV/file.html

>No God
>Zero God

ruh roh

>>8296946
Owari no Chronicle & Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon

>Bakker could only get an Ian C Esselmont quote on the cover

fucking really?

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The best cover art

>>8297005


<3

>>8297024
Nice thumbnail. Why does the inside of his cloak look like something from my grandma?

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>>8297012
With all the rape in the series, no normalfag author wants to put their stamp on it.

>>8297024
>not the nip covers

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>>8297041
>amano edition

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>>8297046
>tfw meme wolfe is more popular in japan than meriga

Why don't you ordeal fags make a thread and shitpost your theories?
You are making the sffg thread go sonic fast I spent 2+ hours reading through 150+ longcat is long posts that were 90% bakker

>>8297058

>Making a SFF thread outside of the general

The contrarian edgelords would shitpost it up

>>8297066
Discussion of autist edgelord fantasy theories is already shitposting.

>>8297011
>Anime shit even worth mentioning compared to malazan

>>8297012
??? my edition has a erikson quote

>>8297031
Can't answer without spoiling the entire series

>>8297058
Yeah I don't see an issue with making a single thread for a new book

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So when is The Unholy Consult coming out?

>>8296706
The elves in my novel are cyberpunk japanese fucktards who do drugs and mind altering substances erryday to the point where there's basically no "normal" elf left.

Is Richard Morgan's scifi, specifically Altered Carbon, as grimdark and edgy as his fantasy?

i'm starting garden of the moon. What am I in for?

>>8297119
Who knows. Don't forget The Great Ordeal was finished in 2013. Orbit+Overlook are such a pain with Bakker.

>>8296917
No don't.

Or if you do please use spoiler tags.

>>8296946
>What are some fantasy novels on par with Malazan in terms of scope, world-building and complexity

Harry Potter
Eragon
Twilight

>>8297206
Yes but has less gay.

>>8297264
>Yes but has less gay.
Then what's the point

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>>8297041
Cover art looks suspiciously like based Obata's illustrations

>>8297236
a confusing first book of a great series.

>>8297236
Really bad writing

He gets better but holy shit that book is badly written

>>8297236
Don't do it. I'm on the tenth book and it is trash. The series has some great stuff (books 2-6) but overall it isn't worth it.

>>8296940

>thread quickly deranges into "is Tuon white?" /pol/ shit

Jesus christ and I thought this place was bad.

>>8297346
/tv/'s amazing

It's the only board that's totally incapable of ever having an ontopic discussion

>>8297358
>>8297346
but Tuon is eurasian

>>8296568
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>>8296633
Normies cant grasp the absolute. Truth is,bakker is one of the smartest guys in sff. His world building is sublime and incredibly ambitious. You need to be smart and have a flexible mind to appreciate it.

>>8296789
Why bro ? What it do ?

>>8297385
is this any good? what sort of story is it? the cover art is truly terrible though...

>>8297421
It's a story about a monk who becomes the King of the whole World via philosophy. Also it has orcs that stab holes in people and then fuck the holes.

>>8297421
Special snowflake takes over the world
But with added misery and cod philosophy

It's okay but nothing special

>>8297440
>>8297442
god dammit i just want something good to read

>>8297447
It is good, not sure what about my post made you think it isn't.

Also there are pigeons with human heads that can make people orgasm just by touching them.

>>8297451
>Also there are pigeons with human heads that can make people orgasm just by touching them.

yeah that sounds real good...

Anyone got any reccomendations for Fantasy that isn't about bloody war and battles?

>>8297451

Your post didn't sound too enthusiastic

>letting shitty glib descriptions turn your off good work

So glad I read Bakker before he became a memes here. Also you people need to he more active in your reading, stop looking for people to tell you what to do

>>8297466
Yeah because everyone has the hours in their life to waste on reading shit like Bakker just to find out it's shit

>>8297463
Peter S Beagle

>>8297469
You can easily just read the first chapters to see if its for you or not.

>>8297464
Sorry, they are great books though. They have some fucked up shit in there and it's awesome.

>>8297463

Earthsea, also Swanwick's ouvre.

>>8297463
I recommend shit like that all the time but nobody ever reads it so fuck off.

>>8297421
Take a look at the other cover art,its much better.
>>8297442
if bakker is nothing special,what is ?

>>8297512

George RR Martin

>>8297385
Bakker is an absolutely normie author. We have a "normalfag publishing house" which outside of Tolkien, has never published anything decent.
Surprise surprise, Bakker is one of the most popular. Top 3 now are Rothfuss, Bakker and Martin.

>sranc - orcs
>ursranc - uruk-hai
>nonmen - elves/dwarves
>emwamma - hobbits
>qirri - lembas
>sil - morgoth
>aurax/aurang - sauron
>rape - singing

any other parallels?

why malazan > everything?

>>8297530
None of those are valid

>>8297526
Did you see his blog ? Did you read his books ? That feg aint a normie

>>8297582
Being edgy is normie

>>8297526
>>8297582
Whats a none normalfag fantasy book?

I've tried reading black company but I find the writing style annoying

>inb4 you can't handle muh challenging writing style

>>8297586
Zelazny? Lankhmar? Gene Wolfe in general? Worm Oruboros? Plenty of literary fantasy that normies sadly won't touch.

>>8297586

I thought Black Company's style was pretty basic desu

>>8297586
But Black Company has incredibly simple prose

Non-mainstream fantasy would be stuff like Wolfe, Peake, Vance, Bujold, Stross, Jemisin, Saladin Ahmed

Not all of it's necessarily separate from your usual swords n magic fantasy but it doesn't appeal to the audience of that fantasy

Grimdark stuff appeals to the exact same crowd as normal fantasy, just to a slightly lesser extent if the author is using rape loads as that obviously puts off some readers

>>8297590
>sadly

Look what happened to GRRM after normies went crazy over his work.

>>8297627
He got loads of money and then carried on as usual?

>ser
Fuck off using this.

All you're doing is using the older spelling of one specific word whilst writing the rest of your piffle in modern english

>>8297625
>But Black Company has incredibly simple prose
>I thought Black Company's style was pretty basic desu

I just find it annoying to read.

>>8297630
More like fame hit him in the head and everything after book 3 was fucking awful.

>>8297640
I see. I didnt really make it past the part where he started trying to care for that girl. Got boring.

>>8297463
Warbreaker

>>8297625
>>8297590
Whats a good non normie series to start on lads?

Anyone read Seveneves?

>>8297636
GRRM is an abject retard

>>8297662
Lord of the Rings because it's actually really good.

>>8297662
Mistborn is built on deconstructing fantasy, it's why it's kinda funny some normies like it. They probably don't even get what the series is doing.

>>8297662
Red Rising if you enjoy Gay/Rape/Incest and sometimes combinations of each other - in space with roman theme everything

>>8297662
>non normie series

Wheel of Time.

No normie will ever have the mental fortitude and commitment required to plow through all 14 books.

>>8297463
The Long Price Quartet

There's one battle and war in the third book, but it's otherwise a very intimate series. It follows one group of characters over 45 years, 15 years pass in between each book. Quasi-East Asian setting.

>>8297677
>YA

>>8297671
Deconstruction is a normie term.
Also, almost every fantasy I've read is a "deconstruction" because it isn't Tolkien or DnD.

>>8297526
You're fucking delusional. Bakker doesn't sell shit. He doesn't sell even close to Sanderson, Abercrombie, Lawrence etc.

>>8297678
Wrong on both accounts.
Normies often read it and it also requires no mental fortitude. They aren't reading Hegel.

How do we break out of this circle where only the same ten books get talked about?

Anyone discovered any new fresh authors with <5000 ratings on goodreads lately?

>>8297649
He wasn't that popular until the tv show started though. He became a shit author all on his own.

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>>8297693
>How do we break out of this circle where only the same ten books get talked about?

Bakkerfags fucking off would be a nice start.

>>8297686
I see him in mass paperbacks next to Abercrombie in tabbaco shops. That's where they keep stuff like housewife porn, trash fantasy and thrillers.

>>8297685

The term is thrown around and used incorrectly yes, but Mistborn absolutely is a deconstructionist fantasy. When people say shit like Rothfuss is deconstructionist, I agree with you, but Sanderson explicitly breaks down multiple fantasy trappings in Mistborn. I'm not even saying he does it well (although I think he generally did), just that he did it.

The Stormlight Archive isn't a deconstruction. WOT isn't a deconstruction. ASOIAF ehh, kind of, but it's far less concerned with it than most people think. Wolfe isn't. Rowling isn't. Abercrombie is sometimes. Abraham isn't. Very few fantasy authors are, and the term is used wrongly all the time. But in the example I used, it does actually apply.

>>8297671
Dude, Mistborn is pretty basic fantasy despite the setting. He crushes any attempt at moral ambiguity.

>>8297697

>That's where they keep stuff like housewife porn, trash fantasy and thrillers.

Sounds like he's just where he should be then.

>>8297684
marketed as YA but Del Rey publishing, subsidiary of Random House (headquartered near my house actually) does exclusively adult publishings, so for all intents and purposes it's adult marketed to lucrative YA audiences

>>8297678
>One of the most popular series of all time
>Not Normie

Seriously?

Anyway, the answer is Malazan. Only 1 million copies sold for 10 books, says it all.

>>8297671
>deconstructing fantasy

what does that even mean?

>>8297677
roman theme in space sounds interesting and the rape incest gay shit is pretty roman as well

>>8297696
>bawww why are people talking about a series when a new book just came out

Just let it pass on its own instead of acting like a child>>8297697

>>8297694
He was widely read in terms of fantasy, became absolutely massive with the tv show. >>8297699
Everything that isn't generic in terms of everything is a "deconstruction".
Swanwick, Wolfe, Zelazny, Martin, everything grimdark.
>>8297702
Absolutely.

>>8297697
>I see him in mass paperbacks next to Abercrombie in tabbaco shops
I don't believe you.

>>8297704
Why do you keep spouting this lie? It takes only reading the first page on Amazon to see that it is blatant YA writing.

>>8297686
True. I worry about this shit,i want to see him published and finish the damn story...still the delay was worth ut, the great ordeal was amazing!

>>8297702
He doesn't even have more than 200k books in print before TGO

>>8297678
Wheel of Time is insanely normie

It has massive crossover with Stephen King fans for some reason

>>8297699
You're trying to argue Mistborn is more deconstructive than Abercrombie? Abercrombie hates heroic narratives so much he had everyone get completely owned by an immortal sorcerer at the end of his trilogy, or turn out to have been a complete piece of shit all along.

Mistborn has it's special snowflake heroes bravely taking on the immortal dark lord, and of course they're totally justified in everything they do.

>>8297469
That didn't work with red rising, it the two chapters were absolute shit. I only pushed through because the anon bet his life on the book being good.

He was right. It would have been sad if I had to harvest his soul this early.

>>8297664
>GRRM is an abject retard
It was Miles Cameron actually but it applies to both of the fuckers

>>8297706
I keep getting conflicting academic testimonies on how farfetched or accurate our view of ancient Rome as decadent and homosexual is, ancient histories a tricky subject always up to revision or reworking

>>8297711
Are you the same retard in every thread? You cry and three people call you retarded and you hide until the next thread comes along

Does your vagina itch that badly?

>>8297710
You don't have to, but that's where I heard of them both for the first time.

>>8297720
Learn to use spoiler tags retard.

>>8297717
Some kind of Dark Tower connection I'm guessing?

>>8297707
If a new book just came out then make a fucking thread for the new book

>>8297699
What does deconstructionist fantasy mean?

>>8297727
The trilogy's been out 10 years, fuck you.

>>8297723
Sorry I'm not well read on fantasy, I've never seen the term be used anywhere else

I tried reading Dark Tower but it got so fucking stupid I could never pick up a non-sci fi themed fantasy novel again

>>8297693
>Anyone discovered any new fresh authors with <5000 ratings on goodreads lately?
I know it'll get shat on but the fantasy reddit has their underrated awards which is exactly what you're looking for

Absolutely shitloads of stuff with low goodreads ratings mentioned so if you browse through you should find something appealing

>>8297701

I never said it was morally complex, I said it was deconstructionist, which is absolutely is.

*The entire backstory is the hero's journey failing. The tagline of the first book originally was "The hero failed, this is 2000 years later".

*The second book is literally about the exact "what were Aragorn's tax policy" Martin talks about

*The evil overlord/empire trope is thoroughly broken down in the third book, both in the reader learning why the Lord Ruler did what they did (with somewhat justifiable reasons), and in the protagonist literally becoming yet another evil tyrant

*The mutability of prophecies was huge in the second and third book, going against their general importance in fantasy

*You can basically pick anything at all in the series, and it's Sanderson warping and breaking down a trapping of high fantasy. The magic is scientific as a reaction against general Tolkienesque mythical magic. The medieval like setting is utter hell for the lower classes and the books really hammer it home. The heroes fail. The prophecies are useless. The rebels become tyrants. Etc.

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>>8297731

>what does that even mean?

Deconstructing in literary terms generally means taking a trope/trapping/device/what have you, and breaking it down/examining it in the text. Basically it's taking a genre feature "apart" in the text.

>>8297720
>Mistborn has it's special snowflake heroes bravely taking on the immortal dark lord, and of course they're totally justified in everything they do.

What are you talking about? Elend's entire arc is going from hopeful revolutionary to a tyrant just as bad as the Lord Ruler. It's not subtext, it's literally the text, hammered home endlessly in the third book. Abercrombie is much more juvenile in his deconstructions because they are so one-note (set up a redemption arc, then abruptly break it). Sanderson does a much more thorough deconstruction of multiple tropes.

Abercrombie is a better writer in many, many ways, but he's far less interested in deconstructing fantasy, and does a much more minor job of it.

>>8297735
The Gunslinger is the only part of Dark Tower worth a damn.

>>8297664
Seveneves was shit.
But it's doesn't matter what i say, you guys still read it to prove me wrong,nthen hate the books anyway. Fuck off.

>>8297733
maybe not all of us have read every single book up to 2006

>>8297729
Probably just the time period really

They both came out when people had to get their books from stores or libraries and both were pushed mega hard by publishers

>>8297741

I disagree, it was very good until Book 4, then it became silly but i kept reading anyway because I had to know how it ended, and then that fucking ending.

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>>8297739
>*The entire backstory is the hero's journey failing. The tagline of the first book originally was "The hero failed, this is 2000 years later".
Wheel of Time already had that with Lews Therin, is Wheel of fucking Time deconstructionist now?

All the rest of this is pretty minor shit, especially compared to Bakker, Abercrombie or GRRM.

>Abercrombie is much more juvenile in his deconstructions because they are so one-note (set up a redemption arc, then abruptly break it).
He doesn't really do that.

>>8297741
I was expecting the entire series to be like The Gunslinger but instead I got Odetta Holmes the magic black lady

>>8297742
I've read half way through Seveneves so far, where the meteorite "incident" on Izzy occurs

Is it all downhill from there?

The authors page long descriptions of characters and concepts gets comical after a while nonetheless though

>>8297737
Gonna just post it here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/wiki/lists/underread2016

Anyone experience with stuff on there?

>>8297745
If you're in this thread you probably have read these ones though.

>>8297762
No? You have some seriously retarded logic going on in your brain.

>>8297731
Most of the time people just use deconstruction to mean subversive

It's about taking the expectations of the genre and not just ignoring them but utterly breaking them.

Tristram Shandy's the classic case; it's supposed to be an fictional autobiography but the author is constantly going off on tangents and breaking up the form. It also goes to ridiculous lengths like having the character describe his own birth.

That's the nexus of the idea, so in fantasy you see it get used for Abercrombie because instead of giving his characters good endings he has them all wallow in misery.
However people disagree this is deconstructionist because it's not really doing anything with the genre, the story unfolds exactly like a normal fantasy tale just with a FUCK YOU READER twist near the end

The Fire Sermon by Francesca Haig is absolute shit, fuck whoever posted her on here

Even reviewers know it's shit but she got a fucking movie deal anyway, thus enrages me

>>8297766
It's one of the best selling fantasy series, this is a fantasy and sci fi thread. Most people have read it. If they haven't they should fuck off.

>>8297696

I've barely seen any Bakker discussion before the newest book dropped. Why is this triggering so many people?

>>8297772
Yeah you have serious brain damage. Do everyone a favor and off yourself.

>>8297759
How the fuck does Inda have so few ratings?

God dammit i just wanted something good to read i think i will continue just re-reading WoT and be happy being a pleb.

>>8297773
Because they haven't read it, and are mad they can't join in on the discussions.

>>8297776
>>8297772
>>8297766
>>8297762
Play nice boys, people can read different stuff, this is all subjective anyway

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>see this thread
>raises eyebrow

>>8297756
>Wheel of Time already had that with Lews Therin, is Wheel of fucking Time deconstructionist now?

Lews Therin did not go through the hero's journey. Alendi very clearly went on the classic monomyth hero's journey.

Martin being called deconstructionist is really going to fall flat when the last two books come out and people see he's always been a romanticist at heart and is more interested in earning tropes than breaking them.

Bakker is more introduced in doing his own thing than refuting other things.

Abercrombie is deconstructionist to some extent in character and narrative, but Sanderson is deconstructionist in literally every facet of the book, from the setting to the prose. This is not a good or a bad thing, it's simply what he did.

>All the rest of this is pretty minor shit,

A completely thorough breakdown of fantasy tropes in every single aspect of the book is minor shit, right.

>He doesn't really do that.

If we're not going to exchange examples, then all we can do is agree to disagree.

>>8297770
Absolutely. Martin is subversive, but rarely deconstructionist. Same with Abercrombie. Sanderson has had a deconstructionist bent his entire career (if you listen to him talk about his early career, he flat-out says he was writing books that broke down and refuted fantasy tropes). Mistborn is far and away the strongest example, but there's elements in Elantris and Warbreaker too. Less so in The Stormlight Archive which is fairly typical high fantasy fare, beyond the setting.

>It's about taking the expectations of the genre and not just ignoring them but utterly breaking them.

This is why Abercrombie is not much of a deconstructionist (his setting conforms absolutely to fantasy tropes, only his character and narratives subvert it and even then that's more in service to the story than as part of a greater metatextual message), but Sanderson is (his books comprehensively break down fantasy tropes).

None of this has anything to do with being a good writer or having a good story, it's just something interesting in its own right.

>>8297783
This isn't about "reading different stuff" but using the fucking inbuilt spoiler function of 4chan to tag spoilers. Very simple concept, if you're above the age of 6 you should be able to pull it off.

Unless your goal is to get everyone to leave to read so you can talk to yourself alone, then go ahead.

>>8297759
Iron Dragon's Daughter's is a pretty key text for fantasy

Also K.J. Parker weirdly has low ratings, he's really good

>>8297759
Crown of Cold Silver is sjw pandering garbage

Mages blood has the worst case of "change one letter to make it a fantasy place" I have ever read

City stained red is fun edgy shlock

Basically, pick anything on this list at your own risk

>>8297792
Why the fuck would you want to read it anyway?

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Why no books about conflicts near black holes?

Forever War had something to do with time relativism but I don't remember exactly

I used to shitpost about Sanderson, then some anon rec'd me The Emperor's Soul.

Whoever it was, thanks. It was the first I'd ever read of him and I liked it a lot. The man can really go full autism on his magic systems, but it serviced the story in this case.

>>8297836
Now read Way of Kings.

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>>8297836
Now read Elantris.

>>8297844
>not Elantris
Wrong.

>>8297836

That may have been me, I tend to talk about him here, and I did rec Emperor's Soul a while back. Glad you enjoyed it! I think it's his best written work (though not my favourite). Certainly his best written in terms of the actual writing, the prose.

Conceptually, the Mistborns are far and away his best work, but the actual nuts and bolts of the writing is pretty rough and may ward some off.

Elantris is even rougher in the prose department, but a good read.

Warbreaker is really quite good, and standalone.

The Stormlight Archive (The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance) is usually touted as his best work. I disagree, although I do think they're both good books. What he's doing structurally with the series is absolutely fascinating, and the prose is much better than Elantris/Mistborn. Conceptually, the stories are weaker than Mistborn. The setting is really, really good. The characters are alright, they're certainly his best written characters but I preferred the archetypes and arcs of Mistborn, even as rudimentary as they often were.

If I were you I'd read Warbreaker next. I wouldn't dive into one of his series, try a standalone first. If you were to dive in, either Mistborn (book 1 is The Final Empire) or The Stormlight Archive (book 1 is The Way of Kings) would work.

He's also written some other short stories, but they're inconsistent in quality. Sixth of the Dusk is conceptually really good, but falls flat in execution. Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell is quite good indeed.

I'd go with Warbreaker next if I were you, unless the premise of Elantris appeals to you significantly more.

>>8297853
Recommending Mistborn is the best way to reverse his opinion of Sanderson and make him hate him.

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>>8297853
>If I were you I'd read Warbreaker next
>not Elantris
Wrong wrong wrong. Why are so many people being wrong ITT? You read Elantris because 1) it's on the same planet as Emperor's Soul, and 2) if you're reading because meta, then Elantris is the earliest story we have so far.

>>8297859
Not the poster you're talking to but I got into Sanderson with Mistborn

Stormlight really fails to live up to it desu, at least Mistborn had something to say

>>8297859
Fairly useless comment, as I recommended Warbreaker, not Mistborn, and made my thoughts on Mistborn clear.

>>8297865

I literally stated my reasons for recommending Warbreaker, and addressed Elantris multiple times in my comment. If you want a discussion on Elantris anon, I'm more than happy to oblige, but disregarding what I'm saying to keep memeing on about it doesn't really do anyone much good.

>>8297867
I largely agree with this. Stormlight is very fascinating in terms of structure and setting, but ultimately, it's just another high fantasy epic like WOT. Mistborn was doing something really interesting, and continues to do so in the sequel series.

>>8297876
It doesn't do anything interesting unless you're a 10 year old girl.

>>8297865


>>>/tv/72167332 < Is this true

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>>8297904
I doubt it.

>>8297910

How's it feel to know Brandon will write all that new YA Steelheart sequel series before even prewriting Elantris 2? I'm glad he writes a lot but man, watching him write the YA stuff is annoying.

>>8296584
Did you copy paste this from a good reads review?

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>>8297918
Feels infuriating, man.
>can't hop to a world where this doesn't happen

Whats the most normie fantasy? Thats not lotr?

>>8297968
Sanderson
Wheel of Time
Game of Thrones
Abercrombie shit
Neil Gaiman stuff

Is their any wheel of time porn? in particular with moraine in it? or a tuon "only if she is white"?

>>8297987

Speaking of WoT, I really enjoyed that moment at the end of Winter's Heart where Aginor/Osan'gar goes all I MUST BE CAREFUL and ends up being the only Forsaken to die there.

>>8297968
Harry Potter

>>8298021
i said fantasy lad

>>8298025
Harry Potter is a top fantasy lad,

>>8298029
How can it be top fantasy if it's not even high fantasy?

>>8297807
Black holes are gateways used for fast travel in Forever War, so there's a couple of battles around space stations built to guard the entrances.

>>8296561
Fantasy dabbles in alternate metaphysical pictures, while sci-fi is generally limited to a kind of underlying naturalism. Fantasy speaks more to human constructs and worlds with concrete anthropological meaning, and so appeals more immediately to the emotions and imagination, while sci-fi deals more with mankind's coming up against an indifferent universe and how changes in technology challenge its place, role and survival.

Hard sci-fi is sometimes less accessible because it requires rudimentary technical knowledge or at least interest in a non-human field or practice, whereas fantasy can generally be understood and enjoyed by a well-educated adult from the culture for which it's written without specialized interests.

Way of Kings was pretty good. But Words of Radiance? A lot of bullshit in there. The way Adolin killed that villain at the end was bizarre. And the Parshendi POV made them utterly boring.

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>>8298082
>people reading far too much into Adolin merking Sadeas
>current year
jeez

All the people on these threads shitting one edgelords like Abercrombie and Bakker: What fantasy do you actually enjoy?

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>>8298042
It's *inhales* high fantasy *vapes* brouh
ahahahahah come on lad lol with me :-DDD
hahahah

>>8298103
Honestly I don't like Abercrombie or Bakker but I like Richard Morgan and Glen Cook

It isn't an issue with being grim, it's that being grim really highlights bad writing

>>8298098
I don't know how I'm reading too much into it. I just thought it was a really fucking stupid scene that basically came out of nowhere.

>>8298111
I like Glen Cook, but he's not exactly a good writer.

>>8298123
He's the best writer of soldiering out there

It's not lovely prose or anything but it is an accurate portrayal which is interesting to read.
The other writers lack that hook for me, they don't give me a reason to buy into their edgy worlds

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>>8298116
>out of nowhere
>wew lad
You filthy darkeye will make up anything, huh?

>>8298116
His motivations don't really work but it makes sense in terms of the conflict

They've moved to a seeming paradise/utopia, the threats by the dead guy and the killing itself are the signs that the utopia isn't going to be perfect.

Without that the end would almost seem like the end of a series

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Has there ever been a shittier world map? Seriously, he put so much effort into everything except how the damn place looks.

Also, "Mountains of Dhoom" is just terrible, can't take it seriously.

>>8298157
It was completely out of character bro.

>>8298186
>Also, "Mountains of Dhoom" is just terrible, can't take it seriously.
Like its "inspiration," Mount Doom?

>>8298186

I like it because of its simplicity. Real life maps aren't special or glamorous either.

I have to agree with you on the names tho, they're just terrible.

So. Many. Apostrophes.

>>8298222
The added "h" makes it so much worse.

>>8298226
I disagree. Real countries, the borders make some sort of sense. Here it's completely random for the most part.

>>8298222
In fairness it's called that because it's the home base of an evil shitlord

(and it's an indirect translation of Ragnarok)

>>8297678
This is correct.

>>8297755
>gnome saga

>Niksabella the gnome has tinkered in the shadows for years, developing an invention that might change the world, even if she doesn’t know it yet. She has few friends and even fewer allies in the city of Hightower, where social and academic status is quite important.

>Her brother, Nikselpik, is a cantankerous wizard who drinks too much, sings dirty songs, and makes rude passes at gnomestresses. A dark addiction consumes him, a habit called bugging, which gives him increased power and feelings of euphoria while pushing him closer to death.

>Dark creatures from the ultraworlds have come calling. Niksabella must fight to protect her life and her invention, while Nikselpik engages the enemy as an unlikely guest of Hightower’s military elite. Niksabella and Nikselpik must find their true powers together, or perish apart. Will they heal the wounds of their childhood before it's too late?

this actually sounds like a fun book.

>>8298254
I don't mind it myself, after all in the real world we have blunt names like "The Angels".

>>8297741
>>8297751
I liked 1-3 and 5.
4 was a huge non-sequitur then 6 and 7 shit the bed.

Can anyone do cucking like bakker?

>>8298723
His wife

Anyone read the Greatcoats series? First book is called Traitor's Blade

I can't remember why I have it in my reccomended list

>>8298781
One of the better adventure novels out there

If you've already read Lies of Locke... then give it a go

>>8298781
It's pretty a pretty solid adventure with a three musketeers vibe to it.

The sequels can get a little repetitive but I'd still say it's a fun series overall

>>8298781
Got about a quarter/third of the way into the first book and quit it. Tries to be edgy but it just feels laughable in a "Jorge wants to be hardcore" way, and the "half the book is in the past" was annoying (and I normally don't mind that type of narrative feature).

anything with vampires?

>>8299009
Anno Dracula (Kim Newman) and it sequels, Fevre Dream by GRRM

>>8299009
Fevre Dream is GRRM's best novel length work

>>8299009
Salem's Lot is some of King's best work

Who writes the best descriptions in SFF?

>>8299097
piers anthony

>>8299097
Ballard is the most evocative for me but his writing is (deliberately) ugly, so it's not exactly enjoyable to read

Banks is worth a shout
Pratchett and Vonnegut for comic

And Genevieve Valentine for an outside shout, since she kinda falls apart with other aspects of writing.

>>8299097
Joe Abercrombie

>>8299173
lol

>>8298111
>but I like Richard Morgan
Gross.

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Going to be reading pic related
What am i in for?

>>8299097
Peake

So I think this counts as a science fiction question. What's a good book that has a sort of utopian future setting?

>>8299503
The Culture

>>8299009
Anno Dracula is pretty good.

>>8299467
Judging from the cover; a whole lot of SJW kikeshit.

>>8297853
>>8297867

Mistborn is dull and edgy as fuck.

Zane is the most retarded character I've ever seen.

The Stormlight Archive is miles away better than Mistborn.

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Quick! One of you be useful! Is TESO worth $11?

>>8299467
>>8299554
>Lakshmi is a thirteen-year-old girl living with her family in a small hut in the mountains of Nepal. Her family is desperately poor, but her life is full of simple pleasures, like raising her black-and-white speckled goat, and having her mother brush her hair by the light of an oil lamp. But when the harsh Himalayan monsoons wash away all that remains of the family’s crops, Lakshmi’s stepfather says she must leave home and take a job to support her family....

>He introduces her to a charming stranger who tells her she will find her a job as a maid working for a wealthy woman in the city. Glad to be able to help, Lakshmi undertakes the long journey to India and arrives at “Happiness House” full of hope. But she soon learns the horrible truth: she has been sold into prostitution.

>An old woman named Mumtaz rules the brothel with cruelty and cunning. She tells Lakshmi that she is trapped there until she can pay off her family’s debt – then cheats Lakshmi of her meager earnings so that she can never leave.

This is little girl protagonist anon's dream

I've been considering giving Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy a read. Is it worth it?

So Malazan is just WoT but edgy?

>>8299869
It's not even that edgy desu.

It's not run by prophecy like WoT is, or similar in any real way beyond they're both fantasy and both a long book series

>>8299869
only read the first book so far and I wouldn't use edgy to describe it at all. It's not even gritty or dark really. It just doesn't go out of its way to make the reader feel good about what's happening in any one scene.

Can't speak for the rest of the series though. Was gonna drop it because of how boring the first book is since none of the main characters face any genuine challenges. But other anons on here keep saying the next few books are much better so I'll likely give the 2nd book a shot at least speaking for myself.

>>8299869

Basically, yes.

>>8299894
2nd book is one of the best books in the series imo

Definitely give it a shot

Anyone else get LOGH volume 2 today?

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>>8299773
Sure it is.

>>8300059
My autism is hurting. That shit's not centered.

>>8297678
I'm considering reading it but how bad is the gender stuff? Is it true that all the female characters just bitch nonstop about how silly men are?

>>8300231

Yes.

But to be fair, the men do the same.

>>8300231
it's true to life

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what has the best sexytime init?

>>8300234
>>8300253
Well fuck that then.

>>8299773
I've only read the first, but it was quite solid.
Assuming you aren't a plot pleb who can only enjoy things through a short attention span and gets bored by lavish descriptions and a superb atmosphere.

>>8300318
>Being this insecure
Goddamn MRA fags.

>>8300327
What the fuck does mra have to do with anything

>>8300318

WoT is kind of subtle in that it seems to be very feminist on the surface but when you think about it it really isn't, for instance a lot of the world is ruled by women and it is all going to shit until a Man shows up to take matters in his hands, also characters that are bitchy become normal once they get a good dicking.

>>8300334
It has to do with you being one.

Recommend me a good fantasy series

>>8300426
What do you mean by good?

>>8300480
Something high fantasy that isn't wheel of time

>>8300327
Fuck off, tumblr.

>>8299894
The first 6 Malazan books are genuinely good (and the series/writing gets better as it progresses). The last 4 books though are the definition of a mixed bag.

>>8300486
That isn't a description one can work with. Are you a /lit/ poster or someone from /v/?
Do you want adventure? Quality writing? Edge? Time killing? Symbolism?

>>8300500
i'm neither lit or v

Adventure + Quality writing

any lewd scifi out there?

are the other books in the farseer universe worth reading, apart from the first trilogy?

>>8300490
people on tumblr don't say fag

>>8300506
Stormlight Archive

>>8300493
This exactly. It's why I would not recommend the series, despite enjoying the first six. In fact I'd say the last 2 books are downright bad most of the time.

>>8297530
>rape - singing
kek

>>8297759
Can recommend The Folding Knife, God's War, Half-Made World, Scar Night. In that order.

>>8297968
Harry Potter and ASOIAF obviously since they have massive movie/TV popularity.

After them, WoT.

>>8300506
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser stories.
First three Earthsea books.

>>8300550
I remember in the last book I believe where Erickson has one of the characters explicitly point out that all of the leaders of the various factions at the end are women and thinking to myself, "Why the fuck would be make them all female and actually have a character point it out to us? Is this going to have some kind of pay off???". And it turns out all of them being female had nothing to do with the ending at all: Erickson just wanted to have a GIRL POWER moment for some retarded fucking reason and wanted to make sure you knew it was a GIRL POWER moment.

The second half of the series really does feel like it was written by Erickson after he hit himself in the head with a hammer a few dozen times.

>>8300646
>The second half of the series really does feel like it was written by Erickson after he hit himself in the head with a hammer a few dozen times.
I think it was a slow decline. I think Midnight Tides is the best in the series for its pacing and diversity (personality-wise) of characters, and The Bonehunters was great as well.

Then in Reaper's Gale he started to care more about "muh convergence" than each individual plot being compelling, and it also had a lot more preaching from Erikson directly to the reader (money is dumb, gold has no value, rich people are evil, muh compassion etc). Then he completely lost it for the last three books, I have no idea what happened. Apparently the new trilogy is good though. Have you read it?

>>8300698
>Apparently the new trilogy is good though. Have you read it?
Nah. I find the Tiste Andii boring as fuck honestly. Are Esslemont's Malazan books any good?

>>8300702
I've read NoK, which was mediocre but actually served as a nice lead-in to tBH, and RotCG which is utter garbage (terrible pacing, bland characters, too many characters and PoV switches). Even the Malazan fanatics don't think much of Esslemont.

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>>8300597

>>8297695
>>8300059
>>8300737

Congrats on contributing nothing but shitposts.

>>8300506
The Way of the Kings by Brandon Sanderson. Adventurous, well-written, and with a wicked sense of humour.

>>8299653
This guys knows.

Thoughts on Darker Shade of Magic?

>>8297236
Same guy here. So I read more today. I actually don't enjoy it. I'm kinda afraid of getting into series of books.
Can you suggest me some great books that have no sidestories/sequels?

>>8301012
The Epic of Gilgamesh.

>>8301012
Warbreaker

>>8301012
Sounds like you're new to fantasy, that shouldn't be one of the first things you tackle anyways. Check the OP.

>>8301159
Notice how he said "great" and not "trash"? Yeah.

>>8301012
Elantris

Warbreaker

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>>8301012
Of course you didn't enjoy. You didn't give it enough time. Are you expecting a good story without a good build up?

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>>8300514
The last half of the Hyperion books contains zero-gee loli fuckan'.

>>8301012
Elantris
Warbreaker
The Emperor's Soul
First of the Sun
The Prefect
Arc of the Dream
In Other Worlds

>>8301448
>First of the Sun

You mean Sixth of the Dusk.

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>>8301460
I never remember the proper name. ;_;

>>8301468
Ooh I haven't seen that map in colour.

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>>8301468
It would be nice to get another big city map before Era 2 ends.

>>8301482
I just finished Shadows of Self yesterday, going to read Bands of Mourning this week. Looking forward to the new broadsheet pages.

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>>8301485
SUBTLETY.

>>8297968
Harry Potter, Twilight, Eragon, Narnia, Mortal Instruments

>>8301497
Ooh thanks. Different newspaper!

>>8297968
anime

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>>8301503
They're fun.

>>8296489
nah, it's just Brandon Sanderson taking over that corpse of a novel and making it marginally better.

>>8302177
Brandon didn't touch that book.

>>8296489
Matt's parts in Crossroads of Twilight are fantastic. They saved that book from being as bad as Winter's Heart.

How do you search google for filetypes again

>>8302584
filetype:suffix

>>8297385
I feel like I've seen this comment before.

Please no spoilers. But did Szeth balde actually touch dalinars hands?

>>8302841
desu I can't remember fucking anything but a vague plotline of stormlight

It's suprisingly unmemorable

>main character stumbles upon a cult of idiots based around him
Greatcoats is a pretty fun series so far

>>8302841
can't remember either

I should probably re-read it

>>8303172
>punts a woman who wants to fight him in the cunt
This is great

>>8302841
Just finished marathoning, Delinar caught the blade but wasn't cut, it's a maneuver explained later on

>He was upside down, yet, the world was right side up

I'm done with this schlock.

Did metro 2033 copy enders game? With the bridge between all meme?

>>8303539
Book?

>>8303539
Is that Szeth narrating lashing? I don't remember that exact passage but I wouldn't put it past him.

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>tfw more people read Ernest Cline's Armada and rated it 5 stars than the last good book you read

>>8303966

I don't even know what a cline armada is.

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>>8303973
All you need to know is that he writes shit like this.

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>>8304017

Is he fucking serious?

>>8304017
is this ironic?

>>8304017
What was he "researching" for? Pop "culture" in general?

Why are there hardly any new posts since yesterday? I can't see a new thread...

New

>>8304181
>>8304181
>>8304181

>>8304180

The Americans are asleep. They also comprise the bulk of the Bakkerposting, so that's 90% of the thread out.