/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>>8291459
>and why is it Mars?
Because it's the only one that seems even remotely plausible for colonisation

>>8291459
What is the biggest problem plaguing modern fantasy?

>>8291459
I started reading Larry Niven and loved his novels. So far I read:
Ringworld
The Ringworld Engineers
Ringworld Throne
Ringworld's Children
Protector
The Fleet of Worlds
The Juggler of Worlds

However, I hope to read his short stories later, and I hope to get into more serious sci fi. I have Segan's Contact on my reading queue.

Anyone have recommendations? I've read all but the last of Frank Herbert's Dune series (which isn't the type of sci fi I'm craving).

>>8291503
Sanderson

He's fine himself but his success had lead to publishers almost exclusively choosing to focus on putting out books that copy his style, which isn't a great style to copy

Has THe Great Ordeal secured Bakker's position as the King of GRI?

>>8291519
Try Philip K. Dick, mainly:
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
>UBIK
>The Man in the High Castle
>A Scanner Darkly
>Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
and
>The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Those are all his best (and most well-known) books.

>>8291551
Oh cool, thanks! I've already read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and loved it. Strangely I forget AI is sci fi. Do any of the books listed deal with space or realistic technological advances?

>>8291589
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch does, the most of out that list I gave you. Those are all the books by PKD I've read however, so I don't know about his other books.

>muh qirri
>muh daughter fucking

>>8291647
>daughter
>>>>implying

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>>8291459
Why am I so fucking bad at frame characters? I have the perfect trio to follow for a compelling narrative, but none of them seem like the "main" character to write from the perspective of.

>>8291655
Why not have all three as the main characters? Each one takes a turn to have a pov chapter. Could be fun to read/write.

>>8291655
Which character has the most dynamic character arc? Which seems the most realistic to be seen from a first-person perspective?

>>8291655
>I have the perfect trio to follow for a compelling narrative, but none of them seem like the "main" character to write from the perspective of.
Is it completely necessary for the story you're trying to tell that it be written from a single character's perspective?

>>8291655
Why not write from three perspectives?

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>>8291519
A good indication are the Hugo/Nebula winners. But Robert Silverberg is good; read Downward To Earth, and Dying Inside.

Brian Aldiss is a good British writer. He served in Burma in WW2, and apparently drew on this experience to write vividly about hot environments and mutated, overgrown, deadly vegetation; in Hot House (1962) and Non-Stop (1958.) They are both imaginative books, funny in places, with lots of deaths. His books have more characterisation than someone like Arthur Clarke.

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Is there a copy of "The Last Legends of Earth" on #bookz?

>>8291546
>Has THe Great Ordeal secured Bakker's position as the King of GRI?
If Bakker is King, then Black Jewels Trilogy author is Queen.

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>>8291724
Why is there a tripfag in our general, and why is he dinoposting?

I see some people asking for recs, if any of the names in pic related catch you, google and goodreads it before you read.

>>8291546
Oh yes.

>tfw Serwë is burning in hell

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>>8291546
>tfw its turning into a straight up mindfuck midway

>>8291763
>unironically recommending Codex Alera

Whole fucking book of dude bugs lmao

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>finish second novel
>watch some lectures on how to find an agent, get published, etc.
>read up on the statistics
>shelf manuscript and start on new one

Sometimes I wonder what the fucking point is. I'm an unemployed loser living in my parents' basement and no one is ever going to publish this weird shit. I don't even like writing, or enjoy what I write. I just do it because I can't help myself.

Sorry for venting. Here's some cool fanart for your thread.

>>8291773
>roman legions with pokemon
What's not to love?

>>8291806
Just sell them on Amazon

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Anyone touched this shit?
I heard blood song is good, it's also by this author.

>>8291834
I think the reality of being a human zero would be more crushing than my suspicion that I'm a human zero.

>>8291806
It's usually the weird shit that people remember most or connect with. Like Kafka. He wanted his writings burned because he didn't think it was good enough.

Pretty much all the fantasy I've read is as follows:
>Harry Potter series
>first 3 books in A Song of Ice and Fire
>The Hobbit/The Lord of the Rings
>The Colour of Magic
aaaand that's pretty much it. How do I into modern fantasy? >>8291763 definitely helps but I'm not sure where to start. Where do start with Brandon Sanderson? Is he even very good? I could never "get into" anything by Neil Gaiman or The Name of the Wind, either. Also, I have Assassin's Apprentice loaned out from the library and I'm wondering if I should read it? Thanks bros.

>>8291841
So give them to me and I'll sell them

>>8291834
>>8291841
This me >>8291847 and I think you should consider self publishing. Most people are dismissive of self publishing (even myself) but it can be a viable and the only way if what you're writing is too experimental or weird for traditional publishing

>>8291848
>Also, I have Assassin's Apprentice loaned out from the library and I'm wondering if I should read it?
Why wouldn't you read something you'd already borrowed? Suck it up and take the hit.

>>8291767
Who isn't burning in hell at this point?

>>8291863
I really should 2bh

>>8291856
>>8291847
They're not even weird in an experimental or relatable way. They're recognizably fantasy, but without any of the things people read fantasy for... just weird fever dreams that appeal to me and me alone.

>>8291850
I may be a nobody, but the nothings I've created are still my nothings. It's funny how when it comes down to it, I'm still narcissistic about what writing means to me.

>>8291848
Chart anon here, what are your interests?
What do you like to see most in books? GRI? Robots? Wizards? AIs? Religious Intrigue? Politics Intrigue? Shit that has you literally saying "what??" when reading?? Urban fantasy? Military fantasy? Cyberpunk? Biopunk?

What you like?

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>>8291763
>weird chart anon is also dino anon
It all makes sense now

>>8291815
Every chapter that isn't Tavi desu

Fidelias is alright but it'd be a better series if we didn't have villain pov

>>8291840
It seems like a step up from Raven's Shadow.
Similar to powder mage in setting

But then again the first book of that (Blood Song) was great too, the series went to shit with the later two books

>>8291888
Hi anon, this is gonna sound stupid as fuck but I really like specific things in my books, like tea and coffee drinking, pipe smoking, also a lot of "stoner-esque" stuff like wizards, magic, space... a lot of esoteric stuff and a lot of twists and turns in the plot and in the world... For example I really loved the parts dealing with Buddhism, the afterlife/rebirth and the Tibetan Book of the Dead in UBIK by PKD. Hope you can find me something. I'll look into reading "Hothouse" by Brian Aldiss, that one looks interesting. Thanks anon.

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>>8291896
>liking Tavi Alwaysright
Ew.

>>8291913
>For example I really loved the parts dealing with Buddhism
Try A Shadow in Summer

>>8291891
One of the dino anons. I will read old books and new, but some of the dino anons despises anything old. I have no problem, unless you permanently read nothing but old books, like the original dinosaur.

I saw one of my brethren put a t-rex sama in his place either last thread or the one before.

Was fucking glorious.

>>8291840
It's multiple PoV which Ryan isn't good at but it's only three of them so it's not too bad

>>8291919
This (it's political intrigue though so be warned).

>>8291913
The tea drinking is in an urban fantasy , but not gonna suggest that.

What specifically you want in your mag1/wizards?

>>8291910
So another book with jonesing soldiers, substituting coke with gunpowder?

>>8291959
Except this time it's dragon blood instead of gunpowder

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>3 Paragraphs explaining how underpowered protag "ebicly rekt xD" a previously established overpowered character in half a sentence with the power of wits!

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>Main charecter starts quipping

>>8292023
>Main Character starts espousing !communism

>>8292034
>main character enslaves pacifists because they don't agree with him

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>>8292023
>MC has deadpan humor

>>8292023
>main character gets cucked

>>8292047
>mc is the one who cucks

>>8292045
>MC is socially awkward

>>8292062
Is there any good SFF with a self-deprecating MC, to the point he maakes jokes about himself?

>>8292043
>main character regards pacifism as morally superior
*tips ushanka*

>>8292077
Yes

>>8292117
Neat.

>>8292077
Blindsight comes pretty close and is also good.

The Martian does but it is very reddity.

>>8291937
Pretty much the wise old man, gentle but powerful, mystical and yet playful with his magic. Pretty much a frolicsome Gandalf.

>>8291655
Probably not the best advice but self-inserting as one might help.

>>8292127
>The Martian does but it is very reddity.
Thank God, someone finally understands.

>>8291848
Start out with Book of the New Sun. Gene Wolfe is easy to read and every thing is straight forward :3

>>8292165
To be fair, my first taste of GW actually was BOTNS and I read it on my PSP; it took be like 3 false starts but once I got into the groove I fucking got it.

Just dont be intimidated by the dense language and you'll be fine. He's surprisingly straightforward.

>>8292172
I've read it a few times and I still feel like I notice a new detail every time I read it. Probably my favorite senpai

>>8292177
Oh yea definitely, thats one reason why I like to just pick a page at random. Always a little gem to notice here and there.

>>8291459
>What planet has the best SF and why is it Mars?

American authors had seen Utah

>>8291848
It's been a while since I've read Robin Hobb, but I enjoyed the Assassin Trilogy a lot.

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What do you guys think of Steven Brust? I recently started re-reading him for the first time in about a decade, and it's like putting on a snuggie and sipping from a mug of tomato soup. Super comfy.

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>the Inchoroi created the Tusk
>hell is real, and everyone is going there
>the gods see souls as food and nothing more
>Kellhus is fucking batshit
>dunyain fucking shits still exist

is there a single positive plot revelation in this entire series?

every single reveal has been bad fucking news for everyone

>>8292047
fitz shoulda married the singer chick desu

>>8292224
Have you read The Phoneix Guards? Was thinking of reading that

>>8291503
That we've so lost our vision as a culture that people can't tell the difference between sci-fi and fantasy.

>>8292297
The Meat is delicious?

Is there no chance for me? There's no respectable writer in my language let alone SFF writer and there's basically no market. I know English well but as evidenced by the responses I got, it's obvious I'm no native speaker even if technically I'm apt to write.

>>8292332
Part of me feels like this is just meme-y bait, but I'm interested so I'll bite. Don't disappoint me anon.

Can you explain further what you mean by this statement? What is this vision you speak of and how as well as why did we lose it? Also, why is science fiction and fantasy blurring the line between them a bad thing?

>>8292347
We have all read books by native speakers of English that made mistakes in their writing they really shouldn't have. If you are passionate about writing you should write. You are going to have to work harder than others regardless of whichever language you decide to write in, but it is possible. Write because you enjoy it, not to make money off it. You can worry about that after the you find a publisher interested in your work.

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Right, how do I get started with the Culture series by Banks, do I just read from release order?

>>8292313
I enjoyed it, and the rest of the Khaavren Romances trilogy. It's framed as being written by a historian, so the prose and dialogue is excessively (humorously) formal. The majority of the dialogue is witty banter. If you don't mind the writing style it's consistently funny and a good story.

>>8292354
Thanks for the faith you have in me anon. I don't write to make money, I don't even write to get known but I do want to be good at it and develop my own style. It's interesting because none of the anons said bad things about my prose (only the obvious non-native mistakes) and it seemed there's a certain naïve charm to my writing, but I would need constant guidance for it to improve, something I'll never get in my own language.

>>8292355
No, some of the books are shit and some of them are p good, do some research and figure out which ones are best. Ironically, Consider Phlebas isn't a terrible starting point.

>>8292347
Where can I read your work?

>>8292378
I'll get hate for this but DeviantArt

>>8292354
No rose colored glasses, I'm certainly not saying the past, least of all not the 1960s, were any sirt of utopia, but there was at least a sense of a direction toward a better future. It took the same Old World vision to grab Von Braun & his V2 and create ICBM's, but by the time Kennedy rolled around, even my bumpkin grandparents and parents had seen a worlds fair and understood what putting a man in an icbm and sending it to the moon would lead to in no time. Hence a solid decade of the popular press full of glorious space-age vaporware that could gave easily been built, but given the harsh realitues of the late 60s/early 70's, by the 80's, the only vision this country had had left was of the old power & wealth hierarchy, and tearing each others eyes out to claw their way up it.

Now, as plausible as the sci-fi dreams were a half a century ago, they might as well be fantasy, because theyre as unlikely to happen as dragons taking swordsmen and wizards into the nights sky.

>>8292130
Anybody got anything for me? The playful old wizard?

>>8292007
Oh God is that trope infecting western fantasy too? I thought only Jap fantasy had that shit.

>>8292373
Don't get me wrong. If you have a completed work you feel good about (even if just a little) then you should send it out. It will most likely get rejected even if it is good, but you should try all the same if that is something you are interested in.

Have you tried forming a writing group? In person group meetings are best of course, but online seems to work well enough from what I've heard. Most groups fall apart from inactivity, but might be worth a shot if you want more feedback on your work. Posting examples here and on similar sites also work well enough I suppose. Just keep practicing. At least that's what I tell myself. I feel like all my work is trash and I still don't have the confidence to share it in the feedback thread even under anon, but if you keep writing you will get better. Otherwise I've wasted more than a few years.


>>8292386
Thanks for the thought out response.

I'll agree with you to an extent. It does seem at a glance that popular science fiction has removed itself from the hopeful near future of space exploration. My first reaction is to blame this on the state of our space programs across the world. After landing on the moon everything suddenly became out of reach economically speaking. Mars colonization is a joke. We cant even reach the planet in a realistic time frame to suppose a spacestation. No way in the near future can we even begin the ground work for future colonization efforts. Even a moonbase feels out of reach without a united effort across nations, but how do you justify an expense like that?

The moon landing was only justifiable because the Soviet Union had won the space race by that point in time. The good 'ol USA had to one-up the first satellite in space and landing on a foreign space body made the most sense. After that there was nothing the Soviet Union could do to one-up that.

So there seems to be nothing to look forward to. How can you write a science fiction story envisioning the future of space exploration when all that seems possible is launching a probe further and further away?

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>>8292386
>Now, as plausible as the sci-fi dreams were a half a century ago, they might as well be fantasy, because theyre as unlikely to happen as dragons taking swordsmen and wizards into the nights sky.

>>8292404
I can think of good wizards in bad books and vice versa, don't think anyone's done the whole thing well yet

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my autistic brother has written the greatest science fiction novel of the 21st century, but he forgot that he wrote it and now pursues a goal recreating dante's inferno in minecraft

should I steal his work and publish it under my name?

>>8292435
I don't know.
I keep ending up in post-apocalypse settings, a world where the land is irradiated and only running springwater rivers are safe, where tiny populations of scattered people paddle dugouts up and downstream, never step foot on land, and just fade in and out if the mists. Where the sci-fi is merely verbal, represented not by the physical technological objects around them, since there are none, but in merely relaying the surviving amassed wisdom of human accomplishment to each successive generation, since preserving it in hopes of someday guiding some generation lucky enough to have the chance to pick up where we left off, is all they can hope to do at the moment. Man I shoehorned 20 gallons of shit into that 5 gallon shoe.

I have wanted to write that story a while, and shoot it, but I don't know when I'd have time.

>>8292435
I've never tried forming a writing group because I'm not charismatic and social enough to carry it online, and in real life I don't have many friends. The closest thing to a writing group is critique threads on 4chan and the odd /sffg/ where I may post excerpts.
As for publishing I can't publish because I'm foreign in the country I live in and none are English speaking. I really can't publish that's why I post on DeviantArt and tumblr

>>8292436
Yeah, then there is Elon.
The fact that one man has more vision than the entire US government, its electorate, to support NASA, is a perfect example of what I mean. NASAs been fiscally hacked off at the feet, ankles, knees, hips, etc, all the way up til all thats left is the hair, until engineers have figured out how to turn it into a hairpiece, to put on someone elses head to run off with.

Is this general active enough for me to post like a chapter of the sci-fi book I'm working on?

I want to build a whole world and all that good shit but I lack criticism since everyone I ask says "DUDE THAT'S SO COOL" when I know something must be wrong with my shit

Would anyone bother if I posted a chapter or two here?

>>8292446
Of course you should.

>>8292470
Please, by all means do.

I need something other than trump, jesus, & gun threads to look at fir a few minutes.

>>8292476
Alright that's neat
Book incoming nigga

>>8292470
Just go for it. It'd be better than having faggots whine about the same tired shit.

>>8292470
Please do. I need to see how other anons handled writing. I promise I'll write constructive critique.

>>8291724
>Brian Aldiss is a good British writer. He served in Burma in WW2, and apparently drew on this experience to write vividly about hot environments and mutated, overgrown, deadly vegetation;

I read a book called The Jungle is Neutral a while back by a lieutenant who served in Malaya as part of a stay-behind group. Pretty good, plenty of stories about awful the jungle can be, running guerrilla operations and escaping from the Japanese/bandits.

>>8292435
>So there seems to be nothing to look forward to

VR.

The West will become more and more hedonistic in the future.

>>8292455
That sounds pretty cool. Spoken histories and river boat people are both neat concept.

>>8292455
Sounds a lot like "Cloud Atlas" or "A Canticle for Leibowitz". Simak's "A Choice of Gods" also comes to mind, minus the radiation (very worth the read, if you haven't already)

But don't let that stop you, I could dig a story woven around a riverine post-scientific culture, and your prose, even in this limited synopsis is good enough.

I noticed that the more I read and write, the more personalized and condensed they become.
I started a lot of years ago with a huge scope, mega high fantasy story of hundreds of pages with entire armies clashing and kings playing their games against each other and otherworldly forces larger than life threatening humankind.
Nowadays I write short, self-contained sweet fantasy stories, rarely with more than 1 character and its lone journey and discovery.

Anyone else noticed that in their own works?

>Ursula le guin in the recommendations
Why do you recommend such a self-flagellating white guilter here?

>>8292628

>another alt right fag smashes into the thread like the Kool Aid Man, with The Truth™ in his pocket

I read her because judging a book by the politics of the author is retarded and exactly the sort of thing angry tumblr users do, which is kind of ironic when you think about what you just said.

>>8292640
>alt right
Also, the politics of the author are patently relevant to the consumption of her work when they inform every stilted line of it. I'm tired of every other sentence being about how brown the character are.

Her politics DO make the books bad.

Can someone rec me a short story?

I especially like when sci fi mingles with horror.

>>8292647
Reading isn't the right hobby for you. Stick to sports or something else that won't hurt your feelsies.

>>8292647

> I'm tired of every other sentence being about how brown the character are.

If you're referring to Earthsea I think Ged's color is mentioned like twice in six books.

I think you started reading her with the idea of her books being bad because of her politics already formed in your mind and just went looking for things to confirm the opinion you already had.

>Ha, she said some men in her made up world have brown skin! I KNEW IT!

>>8292660
Buddy it doesn't hurt my feelings. It's just bad writing injected with rhetoric. You and I would be on the same page if the whole book was full of annoying analogies about the evils of abortion and soliloquies on the immorality of homosexuality.

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>>8292660

Do fuck off, you like sci-fi - and THAT'S strictly for shit-gobbling apes!

>>8292668

>It's just bad writing injected with rhetoric.

Think whatever you like, the fact remains she's one of the most critically acclaimed sff writers in the world and one of the very few that are taken seriously even outside of the genre.

Also a lot of right wing people like her works, you don't have to be an anarchist to see the beauty of The Dispossessed.

>>8292665

No mate, what he's saying is true. You like that sort of thing, but don't live in denial.

>>8292656
"Black Destroyer"

>>8292690

Why are you scared by anon's dislike of her?

>>8292695
Okay, I just googled "Black Destroyer" and apparently it's the brand name of a massive black dildo. That's not the one I'm recommending. What I'm recommending is a story by A. E. van Vogt.

>>8292690
I'm not right wing.

>>8292656
The Ruum. It's about a uranium prospector getting chased through the Canadian Rockies by an alien spider robot. Pretty intense all the way through.

>>8292702
Here, I found a copy online. Do keep in mind it was published in 1939.
http://www.baen.com/Chapters/0743498747/0743498747___5.htm

>>8292695
>>8292702

kek thanks m8 but I had already figured out on my own it was Van Vogt, after encountering the massive black dildos of course.

I have it downloaded, will read and report back.

>>8292706

This seems promising too.

>>8292668
>>8292647

"Robert Heinlein is SJW for having Johnny Rico not be white!"

"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is SJW propaganda because lunar society is racially integrated and the main character is mixed race!"

>>8292702

The story, ironically, is about a massive black dildo on Mars.

>>8292714

No, you see, the difference is, Le Guin's work often offers nothing beyond the grandstanding and expectation of applause. You're deriding your own straw-man, not anon's position.

>>8292714
"Race was a crucial element [in the earthsea books]"
-Ursula le guin

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>>8292714

>>8292721

>No, you see, the difference is, Le Guin's work often offers nothing beyond the grandstanding and expectation of applause.

Says who? You? I don't agree, in fact I think this could be said more of Heinlein than Le Guin, since at least Le Guin doesn't beat you over the head with how right she is and how wrong you are about whatever politics she's following at the moment.

I read Stranger in a Strange Land and Earthsea in high school and I didn't even notice any racial or social commentary. At that point in my development all I was thinking was "Oh, orgies and chicks covered in tattoos. Sweet. Wizards and waning magic and stuff. Sweet."

I should revisit them and see what I think now.

>>8292713
>>8292717
I just reread the story myself and was pleasantly surprised to find that the word "throb" appears several times throughout.

>>8292750
Really? Even as a teenager I thought he went overboard with the flower power free love shit.

>>8292758
I'll admit, at fifteen, I had an underdeveloped sense of both sex and social interaction. I didn't even take a sex ed class. Instead, I took an online health course from Brigham Young, and you can guess how educational that was. All I knew about sex was from watching porn. So I didn't even have a base context to compare with Heinlein's ideas.

>>8292758
Heinlein is very heavy handed.

For example, a lot of people miss that in Starship Troopers, somebody who digs ditches for civil engineering projects or a government social worker or a paraplegic mail clerk in a federal office gets the same vote as somebody in the military.

>>8292769
Hey I took that class to. Are you me? First bad grade I ever got was from those fucking Mormons.

I thought Heinlein was a conservative? A typical mid-twentieth century bourgeois American, that kind of guy?

>>8292778
Heinlein was a libertarian from before the randdroids hijacked the concept.

>>8292778

Heinlein had many ideas throughout his life, some of them conflicting with one another and ever changing as he got older.

He was never your typical conservative, though.

>>8292774
Yeah, that course was total ass. I'm in California, so I have to wonder why the sanctioned alternative to high school health class was from a university in Utah.

>>8292784
Mormons have been spending millions of dollars to fuck with CA politics and push their agendas IIRC. They likely got it as the alternative by partnering up with the Catholics/Christians and whining about how they need their own speshul snowflake sex ed that promotes "family values" or whatever instead of telling kids how to not get pregnant/dickrot.

Ok I finished reading The Ruum. That was creepy as fuck.

Now onwards to Black Destroyer.

>>8292826
Like I said, keep in mind it was published 77 years ago. It's dated, in an interesting way.

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THE GREAT ORDEAL question

I can't find a UK style cover for it, like all the other books have :( Looking for a cover in the style of pic related.

Please help! I hate when the covers don't match, and I prefer this style of cover. Is it a UK release thing?

>>8292870
pretty sure those are the overlook paperbacks, so i imagine we won't see them until the paperback comes out (a year?)

>>8292840

>"any questions?"
>"Yes. What about pussy?"

I had to remind myself he was talking about the cat alien. Good reading so far.

Why are you writing SFF, anon?
For what purpose is it SFF and not anything else?

>>8292956
They refer to the cat alien as pussy throughout.
There's also
>Morton remembered that Kent and Jarvey had chummed together for years in the way only two men can.
And some other imagery that seems really homoerotic, but I'm not sure if I'm just projecting my modern sensibilities onto it.

>>8292967
Because scifi has hoverboards and nanites and space ships and awesome urban sprawls and it's totally rad, yo.

>>8292967
I like tentacles and gross fantasy-horror sex. Can't do that writing about the ennui of middle-class America exactly.

>>8293111
Pynchon does that tho

>>8293117
Aye, but I'm no Thomas Pynchon.

>>8293117
Wait, Pynchon writes disenfranchised middle-class tentacle porn? Maybe I should check him out.

>>8293123
Well middle class gross fantasy horror sex

V has some tentacles

>>8293124
Neat. I've read that I should start with V anyway.

>>8292973

Finished it. Thanks for the rec, that was a good read. Had almost a Dead Space vibe.

Should I check out more by this Van Vogt guy? Asimov seemed to think very highly of him.

>>8292130
Soooo.. you want a Tolkien knockoff? I'm sorry, but I don't read Tolkeinesque books. You could try shawn speakman or terry goodkind.

>>8292468
Well Elon isn't the only one but he's the most successful.

>>8292967
Because I dont care about other genres, or genre at all, really.

>>8293028
You write like you're on Tumblr, yo.

>>8291739
>Black Jewels Trilogy
>women writers

I am 100% sure if I ever read that series, it will never come close to the greatness of Bakker...Women are not as ambitious as men.

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When is the new Stormlight Archive coming out?

>>8293553
End of next year.

>>8293555
tfw he's locked himself into a bad series for the next decade

>>8293563
It's the best thing he's written.

>decade
It will take much longer than that.

>>8293565
Yeah but he'll die within that time

>>8293526
Please read it. Lit(elitist) suggested it to me years ago, it's filled to the brim with GRI. It even has what little girl protagonist anon wants.

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>>8293563
>Brandon
>locking himself into any series
Pick one.

>>8292826
>Look up "Black Destroyer" on google
>results are all dildos

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What should I read after finishing Words of Radiance?

I've read Mistborn 1 and I'm 50 pages of finishing the second one. Didn't bother finish it because I bought the Way of Kings and got stuck to it. I'm now reading WoR

Should I Finish the Mistborn trilogy after that, or jump to another epic adventure like the wheel of time?
Mistborn was too shallow for me.

>>8293639
Mistborn is shit, so is WoT.

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>>8293639
Depends on if you want to get into the meta or not. You could at least read Warbreaker so you understand Zahel's character but probably isn't a huge concern if you're not gonna read the other books.

>>8293642
I thought the only character I needed to understand by reading other books was Hoid

What will Warbreaker add to The Stormlight Archive lore?

>>8293648
There are other worldhoppers. Lots of them. A few of them are even part of the Ghostbloods. Warbreaker will introduce Vasher (Zahel), Nightblood, and the Nalthian magic system. Of course, Brandon keeps pushing back "Nightblood", the sequel, so there is a lot of important information we still don't know. :-)

>>8293641
What is not shit then? Sherlock of superior taste.

>>8293580
I tried...I read Robbin hobb , the vorkosvian(?) saga, that one about the gender less robot...and others...I just don't like any of them. I want to like women writers, because I already read most of the "big" names in SFF and I'm running short...but they just suck

>>8293635

I had more luck googling "black destroyer Van Vogt". Still, I got the dildos the first time.

>>8291519
I really enjoy the ringworld books. You might try these:

Rendevue With Rama and it's sequel

Mote in God's Eye and it's sequel

inverted world - christopher priest

>>8293626
Enjoy your Rithmatist and Rekconers 2.0

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>>8293701
Did you try black jewel specifically? Before you read a book do you check up the author's bio? What they like? Where they shop? This seems like autism on your part.

I'm sure you read many shit male books, but just seeing that the author has a female name triggers you makes me feel you need help.

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>>8293741
And Lost Metal and modern Mistborn and the Elantris sequels and the Warbreaker sequel and whatever else... just all very slowly.

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Chronicles of Amber or the Wheel of time?

>>8293787
Zelazny's a billion times better than Jordan.

Honestly now that there's other massive epic fantasy series out there WoT isn't worth it

>>8293794
I just want something good and deep to delve into. I also want realism in those. Non explicit rape and sex between characters.

Does Amber deliver?

>>8293787
Every book over WoT.

>>8293787

THE WHEEL WEAVES AS THE WHEEL WILLS.

>>8293754
fuck that autism chart. that's me down the line. down the fucking line

>>8293794
>>8293810
>>8293816
What is even the appeal of WoT? I cracked open the first book and it just seems like the most generic, derivative shit imaginable.

>>8293721
Priest is underrated in general, I never see anyone mention him except in relation to the Prestige movie

>>8293860
The first book is basically a prologue to the main plot. Introduces a lot of key concepts and most of the main cast, foreshadows a ton of shit, and the ending kicks off the main story that the rest of the books follow. The actual plot of Eye of the World feels disconnected from what follows though. Sure the primary antagonists feature later on, but nobody really references the events of Eye of the World in later books and it doesn't appear to have any real significance beyond setting the main three on their paths.

>>8293860
Derivative of what exactly? Reading a couple chapters of the first book hardly gives you any insight into what the setting or story is like, especially considering the big reveal at the end of the first book changes the course of the plot in a big way.

>>8293762
I was trying to say that he will write those YA non cosmere books before writing a book you actually want to read.

>>8293880
Five out of the main six, you sexist pig.

>>8293902
It's a deliberate copy of LotR. How did you not notice this?

>>8293754
there's a difference buddy. When I read a book written by a guy, I know there's a bell curve. A few ( maybe 2-3) books where soo bad I couldn't finish them, a few are really amazing, everything else in between.

For women though? This stops at average. There's no "amazing" book category...a few I are "above average" so a 6-7/10 if I'm being generous...

The point of reading ( for me at least) is to slow grough the mediocre books and get to the really good ones. One amazing book is worth 10 good ones and 100 average ones...however women don't write amazing books.

I have read about 20 or so series/books, 20 "best of" women here and from reddit/r/fantasy or /scifi. None of them came close to my favorite series so yes...women excel in mediocrity ...at least that's my experience.

>>8293806
Jordan is mediocre, but Amber is outright horrible. Reading Jordan is like seeing some of your old favorite TV series...when you first saw them the concepts and execution was amazing...but now it's just mediocre but good enough if you don't have anything better and the nostalgia gives you a boost.

That "zelazny"guy, I don't even care for his name, is a fucking terrible writer. I have read a few hundred books but he personally offended me, his writing and books where so bad I will never touch anything with his name on it...I think he is the only one I had such an aversion to... I tried lord of light and amber.

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So how has Dangerous Visions aged?

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>>8293905
I know. It is not cool at all.

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Saw this posted on another board. Do people actually read this shit?

>>8293942
>another board

/pol/ or /tv/ crossposter?

>>8293911
Oh I thought you had a real point.

>>8291891
>>8291763
where is a canticle for leibowitz

>>8293942
Only by self satisfied normies on their first foray into post-irony

>>8293925
I see a pig

>>8293942
Popular enough and well written enough that one of his books got a Hugo award.

>>8293981
>Modern
>Last 20 Years

>>8293942
Sometimes for shits and giggles, they're only around 50 pages tops

>>8293639
>What should I read after finishing Words of Radiance?

Help me please!

Out of the selected sci-fi list which should I read? I'm almost done reading the first book in the Foundation series by Asimov.

>>8293970

Same here, I mean hell WoT has a TON of legit criticism you could make, like the fucked up pacing in books 7-10 and the autistic amount of worldbuilding Jordan put in it, but a LOTR ripoff it is not. I maintain anyone who says this hasn't bothered to actually read it.

>>8294019

Boku no Orphans

>>8293942
Tingle's a decent comedic writer

>>8294040
pardon?

>>8294026
I wasn't talking about the series as a whole, only the first book copies LotR, which would explain why that other anon found it derivative. Jordan said somewhere that he did it to draw readers in with the familiar before exposing them to the White Tower, Seanchan and all that.

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Just finished TGO, didn't cover as much ground as I'd like, but at the same time so Much happens

Dat Sorwheel winning best girl
The Consult Dropping a nuke on the Ordeal
Is Kellhus actually dead?
And best of all Achamian finding Cnaiur Urs Skiotha King-of-tribes, most-violent-of-men

What a fucking ride. Can't wait for the Unholy Consult

>>8291655
There are lots of books that jump from one character's perspective to another's.

>>8294156
>dat fucking nuke

>>8294156
revelations and revelations...I agree, it felt shorter, however my mind was BLOWN over and over again.
Forgot about
>Dat "Tall"

>>8294156
Hol up

so you telling me

Sorweel wins the Serwabowl?

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What should I expect?

>>8294286
>memes
It's pathetic.

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>>8294286
Tavi Alwaysright.

>>8294286
Nothing much, it's a deliberately crap concept he wrote on a bet

Man Black Prism (first Lightbringer book) was really fucking bad yet I felt compelled to finish it

One decent, if unoriginal concept, of magic being bad for everyone and then fuckall else

>>8294286
>farmboy who is key to everything
>his noble uncle who raised him
>distant but good king
>girl who falls in love with the first man she sees
It's like the most generic fantasy ever

Just downloaded "The Slynx". What am I in for lads.

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>>8294296
>>8294301
>>8294315
>>8294334

Fair enough.

This?

>>8294285
He's definitely back in the game.

Goes from Zero to hero in record time.
Ishterebinth was just as horrifying and amazing as I hoped

>>8294343
Babbys first fantasy

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What is the best Fantasy Series You've ever read?

It doesn't have to be finished.

>>8294365
So far its Bakker, hits all my pleasure points.

I have a soft-spot for Gentlemen Bastards but Scotty has been slipping lately, that divorce really got him.

>>8294365
Nothing comes close to Discworld, to be that funny over that many books is insane

For more traditional fantasy I'm not really sure
>>8294376
Lynch really set himself an impossible bar with Lies Of

>>8294365
I haven't read it yet, though I also haven't read much SFF so far. The few things I've read I have sitting at 1-3 stars on goodreads and if they were series I dropped them after book 1.

Does anyone think that Kellhus is a self-insert for one of Bakker's acquaintances? Someone who fucked Bakker's and his friend's wives?

>>8293925
I wanna _______sex_______ Shallan with Kaladin watching from a distance, hatred brewing within him.

>>8294398
>Kellhus
>human

Pick one and only one

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>>8293981
It's on this chart.

>>8294002
Vox just did that to shit shit up. And it was a nomination.

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>>8294403
I wanna read a Stormlight 3 without love triangle horseshit with Sanderson watching from a distance, hatred brewing within him.

>tfw you have a really cool idea, even an outline, but never wrote a story before except some cringey shit in primary school
Is there something that teaches the basic craft of getting from outline to first draft to finished product, writing the actual scenes, etc? Sanderson lectures good for this?

>>8294398
There's no real evidence to suggest so.

Dunyain are immensely practical people, and all of the cucking was extremely calculated and not really associated with "chad" mentality. So far as Esmenet goes Kellhus just needed her womb, not anything else.

>>8294398
I think Kellhus is Bakker. He has fantasies on cucking everyone and being the smartest "most logical" man in the room.

>>8294009
People gave you suggestions, if you can't read wtf are you doing on a literature board?

>>8294427
>wale mothers

>>8294433
>More Sanderson

That's all they said. I want something other than Sanderson for the sake of variety.

>>8292446
Not only you should, but you must. It's the moral responsibility of a learned man such as yourself to see the work of your brother reach the light of the day and touch the minds of so many young readers across the world.

>>8294424
he should be, I'd give him a shot.

Lajos Egri is my go-to but I know some may be turned off by his emphasis on plays, I just translate the same principles into novel writing

>>8294432
Hardly. Most likely, Bakker is Achamian

>>8294365
A song of fire and ice

>>8294443
So read the fucking OP.

>>8294422
Will Dalinar do the right thing and finally breed Eshonai? I mean she deserves it.....

>>8294398
>>8294376

Never read Bakker. Which book/series should I pick?

>>8294453
what? Did he really get cucked ? Maybe that's why his novels are so dark...damn

>>8294453
Bakker actually did say he based Achamian on a lot of his feelings and experiences as a philosophy student

>>8294459
Nah m8, fuck off :^)

>>8294471
Kill yourself.

Looking for good fantasy stories published in online mags. Any suggestions?

>>8294464
His biggest series ( and the one he's known for) is The Second Apocalypse. Start with " The darkness that comes before"

>>8294480
You already asked this.

>>8294443
Then you should have said so, we aren't fucking mind readers.

You liked suits forming over a body? Read Brent Weeks or Iron Dragon's Daughter.

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>>8294461
He's too busy doing that to Navani.

>>8294464
Darknes that comes before. Its the first book in his overarching Second Apocalypse series

>>8294480
>no one answered me
>ask the question again
Here is your (you)

>>8294424
You can't learn to write well by reading guides or watching lectures. You have to feel it out on your own, and be awful until you're not.

That's what all the guides and lectures told me, anyway.

>>8294469
Achamian definitely comes off as the most human of his characters, so it does show a bit

Looking for good fantasy stories published in online mags.

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>>8294505
>>8294483

Thanks a lot anons!

>>8294512
those were bullshit guides and lectures

this whole meme of mystifying the writing process is laughable, its like a painter telling someone "oh yea I just felt out this human figure, I didn't study or anything"

Looking for good online mags posted in fantasy stories. Any suggestions?

>>8294422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ovtiazIzJA
>that voice
>that greasy hair
>that fat
>that Metallica t-shirt at a fucking lecture
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him desu. His writing advice seems pretty good though.

>>8294536
>>8294523
>>8294480

Why?!

>>8294523
>i'm bored
>I'm also the same faggot that post little girl protagonist because my autism compels me
>I will start posting this every thread because I feel it will piss off people

3...2....1

>>8294543
>Socrates was a homo

Don't fucking care desu senpai

Any good non-Egyptian African inspired SFF?

>>8291459
Should I read the Ender's Game series? I hear a lot of mixed reviews about it. Is it good? Also if if is good does it maintain the same amount of quality throughout the series

>>8294558
Read book 1, then read the red rising trilogy.

>>8294546
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm >>8294480 and the poster of the original request in the past thread. I just wanted some suggestions for good fantasy stories published in online mags, because I went looking myself and it was all garbage. I figured you might have some ideas. I'll leave you to continue discussing Branderson and self-publishing.

>>8294566
Does it drop in off in quality that much or what?

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>>8292956
Funfact, there's a reoccuring Coeurl character in the science fiction comedy anime "Dirty Pair"

>>8294584
I didn't want to touch the sequels, didn't want to mess up my experience.

Red Rising does continuously improve though.

>>8294512
>>8294534
See, I'm not even talking about writing "well", developing a style or anything, just the barest bones. Things like, "okay, my first scene is a conversation between two characters, how do I describe them, the setting they're in, and then move into dialogue?"

>>8294558
It's a childrens book, and not a very good one at that. Same case for Red Rising.

>>8294576
Thank you. Don't let the door hit you in the face on the way out.

>>8294600
Lajos Egri is your man, trust me his books are worth the money. He gets down into characters with no filler.

>>8294595
If you didn't read the sequels and don't know if they're good or not why would you tell me not to read them?

>>8294603
Now I don't know who's right here

>>8294603
>I'll post it again
The absolute madman.
Didn't you get btfo enough the last time you posted this?

Any good SFF youtubers?

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>>8294613
Do what you want. I'm just giving you my opinions. When I read the blurb for the next book, the things I liked in book one were not present. So I didn't go further. People also told me it's shit.

This was years ago mind you. So do whatever.

Red Rising is not a children's book, that poster is a low iq troll who gets his jollies discouraging people from reading books. There are extreme cases of GRI in red rising. Parents would riot if they found this in their kid's book. Like how Rick Riordan got burnt for making a character gay in a fucking children's book .

>>8294584
Basically the author is a lunatic and after Enders was a success he got more editorial control

It's the same reason Goodkind's first book is readable whilst the rest are trash

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>>8291459
>What planet has the best SF and why is it Mars?

What other possible terrestial body is even remotely capable of sustaining human's current level of technology?

Besides the moon (which is boring as fuck), there's only Mars

Will I like Thomas Covenant if I'm an edgelord?

>>8291655
why not write from observer perspective and somehow somewhere throw in something from character's perspective and say it is from his diary or from a book about him that was written like 100 years after his death or something like that.

>>8294655
not enough GRI...Where's the gay? Where's the incest? also, the rape scenes are lame...

U need bakker, the king of GRI, this shit pales in comparison ( though it's an interesting series to read, if edgy and young adult at times)

>>8294685
One point about thomas covenant is just how it is to be depressed, how hard it is to escape from it...so you will read about Coevant being depressed, and read, and read ...you will read waaay to much about his depression, he will be more pathetic each time. That's the point, however it isn't an easy read...

>>8294655
I think that dudes mad because he's the one who couldn't find a download of red rising

>>8292446
Holy shit you got me curious! I never thought what the fuck an autist would write in science fiction? What is it about?

>>8294744
Is the fantasy in the Thomas Covenant books intentionally kiddish and stupid? Lord Foul the Despiser? The Staff of Law? Is this stuff there to juxtapose Thomas' real and wretched misanthropy? Or did Donaldson genuinely think it all seemed cool at the time?

>>8294744
>not enough GRI...Where's the gay? Where's the incest?
The guy bragging about how he used to bugger his brother?

>>8294744
>One point about thomas covenant is just how it is to be depressed, how hard it is to escape from it...so you will read about Coevant being depressed, and read, and read ...you will read waaay to much about his depression, he will be more pathetic each time. That's the point, however it isn't an easy read...

That actually sounds great, no lie.

>>8294651
>50 minute long videos of a someone overanalyzing shit like Malazan or WoT

I need this.

>>8295202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWP3N1Oe9ts

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How does one practice writing a character's "voice," or way of speaking?

>>8295229
Just think about their personality, where they come from and what experiences they've had. Put them in a situation and work out from there.

>>8295229
Is the person an optimist or a pessimist? Are they vain or self deprecating? Do they live in the moment are are they subject to flights of fancy? What are their points of insecurity? What can't they help but dwell upon?

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Why do normies hate his books?

The Rainbow and the Dove are symbols of peace for us, but that's only because of their role in the story of Noah.
What would be an evocative symbol of peace for a world on unrelated to ours?

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>>8291459
How has there never been a book called Fortress Europa that's actually set on Europa?

>>8295361
No clear good guy to root for

Normies cannot grasp the Absolute

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>>8295361
>mfw that bitch priestess got telefragged

eat shit, yatwer

>>8295361
>In 1986 he attended the University of Western Ontario to pursue a degree in literature and later an MA in theory and criticism. After nearly completing, but ultimately abandoning, a PhD in philosophy

Turns out writing edgy genre fiction is what you do when you fail at getting a liberal art's degree.

>>8295361
I fucking love Bakker, but it's not hard to figure out.

First of all, he alienates 95% of all of his potential female readers over the course of the First trilogy. Female readers don't like it when the characters are constantly raped, and are generally weak. Bakker put effort into his female characters more with Aspect, but it's a bit late.

Of the remaining (male) potential readership, the unrelenting darkness drives many away. The constant sexual assault makes some too uncomfortable. And as that other guy said, there's no-one to root for, which is essential for a popular book. Personally I'm rooting for Akka, but he's a complete fuck up and has his moments of douchebaggery. There's also a lot of naval gazing, which I enjoy, but which puts off fantasy fans used to the snappy writing of Brandon Sanderson et al.

Nobody spoil me on Great Ordeal btw, still waiting for that shit in the mail.

>>8295383
>Do you think Yatwer allowed her to see this?
>What?
>Her plummet


Comedy gold

>>8295366
In Dune, tears are a sign of great respect, given the lack of water on Arakkis. It's seen as a sacrifice. It really depends what kind of world it is.

>>8295361
Just listen to the 1st few minutes.

>Weed
>Porn

>>8295399
>hasnt gotten his copy yet

Leave now anon, it's so good, leave now before its spoiled

>>8295399
>And as that other guy said, there's no-one to root for, which is essential for a popular book.

why is this necessary

>>8295399
>>8295410

>Nobody spoil me on Great Ordeal btw, still waiting for that shit in the mail.

Call me retarded, but isn't the book out already?
If so, why don't e-books come out at the same time as the book?

>>8295406
uh...what

>>8295415
>>8295406

It's late as fuck here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47G5onp-rOI

>>8295382
>Normies cannot grasp the Absolute

Bakker is without beginning or end Bakker is without beginning or end Bakker is without beginning or end...

>>8295410
Just out of interest, how would you rank it compared to his other books? My own ranking would be:

1. White Luck Warrior
2. The Warrior Prophet
3. The Judging Eye
4. The Darkness that Comes Before
5. Thousandfold Thought

>>8295414
I'm in Europe, that shit isn't getting released until late September so I ordered it from the US. And I don't like reading e-books.

>>8295426
>Update
I dont know, I just see it all as one story, but I guess I'd say I'm enjoying Aspect-Emperor a little more than I remember doing for Prince of Nothing.

>>8295411
Most people connect to the books through the characters, and a lot of people don't like to empathize with complete bastards. And they can't divorce their personal feelings on the character from the actual quality of the character. It's simplistic but that's just how it goes. Think of all the best-selling fantasy, it generally has at least a couple of big characters who are very relatable.

>>8295435
I think so far I've felt the same. I guess I enjoy the more meta-physical aspect of it. And all the Tolkien references. Does GO have a Tolkien tribute?

>>8295414
It's not out in Europe yet

>>8295426
I'd put it after warrior prophet, which imo is his best book

>>8295449
Warrior Prophet is pretty incredible. Re-read the Plains of Mengedda chapter recently, still great. Still a bit confused about Saubon seeing his own face, probably missed something.

>>8295437
I think characters are perhaps the very DNA of fiction, but I never really thought that I have to "like" a character to relate or understand them.


Ivan Illych for example. He's a man who wasted his life on pretensions and died pathetically - I didn't like him - but I understood his character and why he ended where he did.

>>8295411
My issue with Bakker is more that his shit is really boring. I tried to read The Darkness That Comes Before and got bombarded with stupid made-up names and a tediously flat main character 2edgy4me. It's not because I found Kellhus unlikable - it's that he doesn't feel like a person at all (inb4 that's the point he's a magic autism monk). A good unlikable lead would be a GRRM character or something from Guy Gavriel Kay, someone who makes bad decisions for human reasons, not HA HA I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS PERSON I WONDER WHO I WILL PRETEND TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NEXT.

>>8295361
He's a bad writer

And unlike popular bad writers who are just serving up light action he's a bad writer trying to be complex

>>8295453
That gets explained in TGO

>>8295461
>inb4 that's the point he's a magic autism monk)
That kinda is the point, he's the product of thousands of years of training and selective breeding.

>HA HA I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS PERSON I WONDER WHO I WILL PRETEND TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NEXT.
Thats not how Kellhus works, he dodnt even think on the level of "pretending to give a shit" for some malicious reason, the entire world is just levers and gears to him, a functional thing to be manipulated. And no, he's not a Gary Stu.

>>8295455
No doubt. I have the same perspective. Most literature is based on that perspective. But that stuff just doesn't sell big bucks.

>>8295461
>got bombarded with stupid made-up names
That's like 99% of fantasy dude.

Kellhus is a force of nature, he's barely a person. And anyway, he's barely in that book. Cnauir is a great unlikeable character, same with Proyas.

>>8295453
>Still a bit confused about Saubon seeing his own face, probably missed something.

DON'T TRUST HI

>>8295480
Ikurei Conphas is probably my favorite from PoN trilogy, fucking madman

>>8295480
Most fantasy has either immediately pronounceable names or short names

Bakker goes full on for the cliche of unpronounceable garbage

>>8295489
>Bakker goes full on for the cliche of unpronounceable garbage
Its only unpronounceable because you dont read them.

"Anasurimbor" is catchy as fuck; it actually FEELS like an ancient line of royalty.

>>8295489
Give me one example of this that isn't Cnaiur

>>8295486
I didn't count him because dude has zero redeeming qualities. Awesome character though. One of my issues with Aspect Emperor is there aren't as many great side characters as there were in Prince, even though I think the new trilogy is better overall.

>>8295489
Really? Serwe? Achamian? Esmenet? Conphas? Proyas? These are all main characters, and none of those names are hard.

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>>8295399
>I'm rooting for Akka
>Not rooting for the consult

>>8295506
Team Dunyain T B H

>>8295510
Dunyain genocide best day of my life

>>8295517
but Sorweel must have his queen

>>8295472
Just because his magic autism monk stuff is justified in-story doesn't justify it out of story. It makes for a a very boring character. Why do I care if he finds his father or not? Even unlikable characters are people you should want to watch. PoN is like a video game, sociopathic hero gaming the system to get the best loot from the NPCs while the author shows off his DEEPEST LORE skills every few pages or so. I wanted to read a novel. Maybe it has other characters who are better, but the fact is it starts with Kellhus, so he has to carry the story enough to get me to those characters. He doesn't.

>>8295501
They're nonsense. Good fantasy names have linguistic sense behind them.

>>8295493
Elezearas is pretty bad, but he's not a very big deal.

>>8295399
I like that Bakker doesn't try to appeal to the Reddit crowd by skirting around the heavy shit.

Everyone gets fucked murdered/raped when foreigners sack your city? No way.

>>8295532
>They're nonsense. Good fantasy names have linguistic sense behind them.
You mean, like just ripping off existing names and changing one letter?

Who would you say had good fantasy names.

>>8295499
Agree! That is one thing the first trilogy does batter. Conphas, the Emperor...they where really funny in a fucked up way, and interesting also!

Conphas must be the most arrogant person in fiction...he rationalizes getting butfucked as some sort of good thing for him...damn.

>>8295537
To be fair, he does go overboard. The sheer amount of rape is probably more than there should be. I do like that he doesn't shy away from it though, and he's one of the few fantasy authors that has men being raped as well.v