/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

soo, any good /sfft/ published recently? as in the last five years or so? any new talent in the sea of mediocrity?

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>>8118747
Give me good fantasy series to read. I'm almost ending Mistborn.

Something Medieval this time around

>>8118764
Malazan books of the fallen.
If you want military fantasy.
Book 1 is kinda confusing but it gets a lot better with the second.

>>8118764
Black Company

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I claim this thread in the name of the No-God. May he blind the gods and save us all from damnation.

Also 32 Days until the Great Ordeal. Get Hyped

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>>8118764

Tell me the pros and cons of Terry Pratchett. I have a friend who's been meaning to get me into em. But I don't know where to start, or if he's as overhyped as he seems.

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One thing, as a cook, that bothers me. Is the lack of disturbance towards the concept of cooking in novels. Seriously, it's like nobody considers it. Especially given how little of a choice there was in the far past towards our talents and unwillingness. It's terrible psychological horror shit. It's demeaning, dehumanizing, it fucks up what you look like to other people forever. Fucking up a single recipe will doom you. It's just, awful through and through with some positive elements.

But I don't like how it isn't explored, risky and dehumanizing labor we have no choice but to be put through is a concept I don't that's ever been handeleleledod well or properly. Maybe it's me, it's a deep seated fear of being rejected and lack of satisfaction with my occupation, that men's desires for delighting their palate in the past, or just their mindless hungers in the present, override our own free will and emotions towards them, making you feel like you don't see in them what they see in you.

I don't know what I'm saying. I just wish cooks weren't constantly written as "Guys! Wearing white suits and tall italian hats! That make food!", and not facing the grimey slimey disturbing bullshit we have to prepare into appetizing meals. Or how we're forced into believing its acceptable after shock and sobbing of it after recieving snarky comments for overcooking a steak, and for some people, in fact, for many people, it doesn't wear off. This was even more prevalent in the past I'm assuming given the lack of choice involved.

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>>8118814
This is why nobody wants to date you.

>>8118814

I would pay to see some fantasy parody focusing around cooking in a world with all sorts of magic and creatures and shit.

>>8118827
Theres a manga about that, but I forget the name

>>8118814
What? Are you autistic or something?

>>8118829

dungeon meshi?

>>8118835
>dungeon meshi
yea thats it, thanks

>>8118831
I'm referencing the classic >>8118509 that fucked up an entire thread.

I'm trying to point out that it was retarded for anybody to even respond to a post as silly as mine/the poster's, let alone start an entire flamewar over it.

>>8118842
It was just something I wanted to discuss before people took it as an insult or some shit. I don't know how it isn't a criticism of merit that most genre fiction writers handle the complexity of being a woman rather poorly.

>>8118842
It didnt fuck up anything, just idiots who want to act territorial over a SFF thread of all things. Nothing about it held up any other kinds of discussion, people could've easily just ignored it.

>>8118814
Are you referring to my comparison between how food and pregnancies are used very little in SFF.

If yes:
>What is hyperbole.

Im also very sorry for responding to anyone in that thread and I deeply regret it.

Can we talk about SFF now?

>>8118842
Ah, ok. I didn't see the earlier post.

>>8118854
>Can we talk about SFF now?

As the person responsible for the preggers post, yes, please. Anything but last thread.

I'm going to soon finish all the currently released ASOIAF books (and didn't enjoy them that much). What fantasy authors/books should I have on my radar?

>>8118747
Is in-depth worldbuilding (for fantasy) good or bad?

It seems that everyone who does it is dismissed as a Tolkien clone

>>8118934
It helps but it is only as good as your skills with telling a story are.

People remember Tolkein most for his characters and the story he told, which arose from his worldbuilding. The worldbuilding is just a means to an end.

>>8118934
You've got to be careful you don't fall into the Sanderson trap of focusing so much on the setting your characters are completely devoid of personality.

>>8118973
>Sanderson
>Not Jordan

>>8119039
>Sanderson
>Jordan
What's the difference?

>>8119071
One isn't kill

>>8118916
Bakker
Erikson
Cook

>>8119082
Too bad.
He wouldn't be missed.

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Is there any SF based on current/near-future NASA and SpaceX stuff, other than the fucking Martian? Seems like all space exploration fic is set way off in the future with FtL drives.

>>8119469
No, any near future space exploration belongs in the high fantasy department. That's why all science fiction is set a bazillion years into the future.

Anyone feel like posting stuff they've written? I'm not a huge fsntasy fan so I'd prefer to read some scifi but I really don't mind.

What was the last book that really grabbed you and you didn't want to put down / looked forward to reading every day?

I've been mostly reading very slow stuff lately so I feel like I kind of need something like this for a change.

>>8119535
The thing itself
Adam roberts

>>8119499

>The road deeper into the outskirts led him to a land where each block was indistinguishable from the rest, even in the morning light. Grey, hollowed blocks battered by shells, wind and rain. Unkempt and forgotten by age and shrinking population. He passed by old, rust-skinned tanks and artillery guns; shells lined the ground as naturally as any pebble - big ones, small ones, many bent and stepped on - and between all of it was bright lines of green, flowers and vines, all was right, and spoke of water.

Snippet from my novella. I'm getting close to finishing so maybe soon I'll hunt around here for beta readers

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>>8118514
Thanks for the Idea.

Use pic related when they come again

>>8119564
amazing. Thanks

>>8118814
Go read Dungeon Meshi.
I know get the fuck back to /a/ but really go read it.

>>8119696
>only 24 chapters out
>only one chapter PER FUCKING MONTH comes out
I don't know how people can handle this

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>>8119564
>Being so assmad about people liking Trump that you make a strawman photoshop
How do you even survive outside of your basement?

>>8119738
By not reading unfinished manga in the first place desu

>>8119771
Found the Trump voter lol

I've read that WoT gets bad after the fourth book. Are the first four books a complete story, or do they leave too much open?

>>8119784
Just read something good instead m8

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I really need to Ringworld over the summer.

>>8119775
I'm not even American you dingus.

>>8119553
Yeah just post it here man. Ignore the hate, if just one or two people read it and give comments it's mission success.

>>8119771
>photoshop
It was gimp, and if you read the post i quoted it was some funny imagery when described so I made it.

>>8119816
Even more pathetic, honestly.

>>8119816
Trump has so many overseas supporters it's insane. The man's a legend.

>>8119874
>what is Finland

you're the pathetic non-Finn, honestly

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>>8119874
So I'm pathetic because you are triggered by Trump and are paranoid that anyone who disagrees with you or laugh at you is a Trump voter? Okay. I wasn't even the one to bring him up.

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can we talk about /sff/ approved vidya?

been playing this recently, having a fucking blast. it's not small-scale like Starship troopers, more Dune/Foundation larger scale. Those are dreadful comparisons but woe be me the day I compare something to a book I've not read.

Anyone else?

>>8119893
No you're pathetic for actually falling for his bullshit when he can't even decide if he wants to reprimand GW Bush for the Iraq War and ever getting involved in Gulf War Pt. 2, or bombing the shit out of them and appealing to the same xenophobic idiots that make up the Republican base.

He apeals to both the Alt Right and the uneducated baby boomer right. None of which you're apart of. Aside many other things you should have realized he's full of shit on, yeah you are kind of pathetic and stupid. Honestly. It's Donald Trump. The Apprentice was a terrible show, 50%ish on Rotten Tomatoes, 5.4 on IMDB.

>>8119903
>Stellaris
>SWEDEN YES: The Game
You should play Distant Worlds instead.

>>8119912
I literally g-modded my enemies into my slaves in one game, before uplifting some other species into my warriors

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>>8119908
>xenophobic
So basically you're a spic or someone with mad white guilt?

>this thread
Shoo, shoo American politics

>>8119920
Nope. I'm just not stupid enough to vote for trump and can see what's marketing, what's bullshit, and what can be accomplished. That part is marketing.

Most of the things he won't follow through on. If he's president it's going to be a lot of him screaming, a lot of congress not moving, a lot of him screaming, a lot of him screaming, a lot of /pol/ people screaming to his defense nothing he said he'd accomplished is being accomplished, really a lot of just screaming "CALM DOWN EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN".

Be a disaster, next four elections would be people you'd dislike now. Fuck, you'd probably be voting for them.

>>8119917
I wasn't referring to Alien genocide or slavery, it's obviously politically correct since they are xenos. Paradox removed a mod that made the humans white instead of dindus and azns. While letting the dindu and azn only mods remain.

>>8119925
I recently got a 1943 edition of the first political philosophy/geopolitics of Croatia.
When I finish Return to the Whorl I'll jump straight into it.

>>8119929
I'd vote for Bernie over Trump. But never Hilary, fucking NEVER for that whore.

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>>8119925
I mean, get a thread already you guys. The top half of >>8119908 is basically gibberish to anyone not involved in American politics.

>>8119931
Hey can you speak the English language? I haven't a clue what you're fucking saying, honestly I can't. This is the english language and literature board. You can finish whole words.

>>8119939
Voting to begin with lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll

>>8119931
On a galactic scale, skin colour is irrelevant.

Anyway, ever read Forever War? We'll all be mixed race in 200 years

Did I go to /pol/ by mistake?

Jesus Christ can we not talk about this shit? Keep it book related

>>8119942
Okay, the mod that removes niggers was removed and the mod that removed whites was not. There, clear enough?

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>>8119957
Yeah lol. You're a repulsive person, it is fairly clear. :v)

>>8119957
Maybe it was a fairly abstract joke?

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>>8119953
>We'll all be mixed race in 200 years
>This is what libcucks actually believe
Racemixing isn't as prominent as you think, with the current trend whites will become extinct.

>>8119954
The funny thing is conservative authors of the early 20th century were specifically against racism and eugenics (Belloc and Chesterton) while the progressive ideas, which still exist especially in abortion were the most progressive (Shaw and Wells). It's ironic that the supposed conservatives would take the ideas of the most degenerate cucks and not those of men who were essentially intellectual ideals.

>>8119963
Stop projecting.
>>8119967
The situation was entirely different back then. Whites had yet to begin their collective suicide.

>>8119966
>with the current trend whites will become extinct.
i dont think anyone will miss you

>>8119945
If you don't vote you have no right to complain about the leadership.

>>8119974
he's not wrong. come 300 years the entire human race will look brazilian

>>8119966
Go back to your fucking containment board. Or tell me the last /sff/ book you read, your thoughts on it, and what enjoyed most and least about it. Or just what you're planning to read next, I don't mind.

>>8119980
Brazillians have qts so its all good to me

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>>8119974
>Implying I'm white
I do think you will miss the whites though.

>>8119979
Oh I will either way.

>>8119987
imagine a world where you fucking people stopped posting

I love that world

>>8119980
>everyone brown
>no racism
>manifest destiny as a glorious milk chocolate race amount the stars

Meh sounds ok

>>8119986
You will not be there and you won't spawn any progeny.

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Thread's gone to shit again

>>8119999
says you

>>8120003
Yup.

Anyone want to recommend me some Wells? I've read WotW and Moreue but no sure where to go next. Is The Shape of Things to Come a good read? Looks pretty weight.

>>8119972
The situation hasn't changed at all, since the very idea of a race is a progressive one.
Conservative authors straight out deny the existence of a race.
I highly recommend Heretics by G. K. Chesterton.
For anons who are mad at the non sff nature of this, I'll just say that Chesterton and Wells are important sff writers, who obviously wrote novels about their political and religious views.

>>8120013
The Sea Raiders is pretty neat, it's almost a proto-Lovecraft story with killer squiddos. Haven't read Shape I'm afraid.

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>>8119995
>everyone brown
You're pathetic if you think that's how it's going to be. The white elite who survived the fall of the west together with slavs and han Chinese will spread throughout the galaxy while the niggers, backwards sandniggers and mulattos wage war against each in the ruins on Earth. White libcucks will lie in shallow mass graves of their own making.

Maybe the future ain't so bad but I'd rather not see my western friends commit demographic suicide.

>>8120013
Read Napoleon of Notting Hill and Man Who was Thursday instead.
Chesterton is a god compared to Wells novel wise. He's a brilliant stylist and the only surreal, dystopian writer who is also cheerful throughout the whole novel. He's confusing, but incredibly engaging and memorable.

>>8120004
Your nu-male attitude says it all.

>>8120023
>>>/out/ pls

>>8120013
The entire Country of the Blind short stories collection is fantastic. Wells wasn't amazing at writing, but God he had the ideas nailed.

>>8120023
>The white elite

Oh you mean internet neets who have put such a priority on their intelligence they refuse to believe they might actually have low IQs statistically.

I'm sure people like you will be ruling us all lol.

>>8119953
>skin colour
This meme needs to die, there's much more to race than just skin pigmentation.

>>8120035
I'm not a part of the white elite you moron. The aristocrats who are currently pushing for heavy migration will survive for a much longer time than the classes directly affected by it.
>I'm sure people like you will be ruling us all lol.
You are already ruled by the elite. You really are stupid aren't you. Either that or you can't help but to project your narcissism since it's such a large part of you that you can't imagine other people not being like you.

>>8120055
>thinking a white elite exists that's not leashed by Jews

oh, padawan

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REPORT ALL POST THAT HAVE A HINT OF POL

Time for Mod Clean Up

>>8120075
So we should start with >>8119564 right?

>>8119995
true, but everything would be boring as shit too. who wants to live in a world where everyone looks mostly the same? a world with no cultural diversity?

>>8120018
>Chesterton
Good taste. I haven't read many of Wells stories since I was exposed to them by adaptions in other mediums when I grew up, are they worth reading if you already know the gist of them?

>>8119771
It makes sense that this general is full of /pol/ reactionaries seeing as they probably get all their socioeconomic knowledge from fantasy books.

>>8120103
It's funny that the right are the true proponents of diversity, both by wanting to preserve local culture and races and by having radically different ideologies.

>>8120117
Regressive leftist detected.

>>8120081
Purge everything

Exterminatus

>>8120136
>buzzword

>>8120145
What is "reactionary" if not a buzzword?

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I thought we agreed to stop replying to Scalzi, this happens every time somebody mentions Redshirts.

>>8120114
Depends on the story honestly. Time Machine is pretty decent, but War of the Worlds is absolutely horrible. It's the Sanderson level of dryness of prose. That and if you don't know the topography of England, half of it will seem like gibberish.

>>8120156
What is "buzzword" if not a buzzword?

>>8120177
>this happens every time somebody mentions Redshirts
I don't think anyone did though

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Anyone got Robert Aickman's The Attempted Rescue and/or other ebooks apart from what can be found on libgen or KAT?

>>8120182
You tell me.

>>8120156
>What is "reactionary" if not a buzzword?
A word with a very long history and tradition.

1/3thirdrd of the way through Malazan's first book

Why did /lit/ lie to me?
I was hooked about half way ago

>>8120136
What is /pol/ if not regressive?

>>8120250
Its an awesome series its just that the first book explains almost nothing. Erikson completely changes his style with the second book

>check the wiki

>first law

>kingkiller

>GoT

>Whell of time

>Mistborn

when did the concensus shifted, /lit/?

>>8120257

horseshoe theory

>>8120250
First book is extremely hit or miss and takes some time to develop

>>8120257
I'd like to interject as a non-partisan party:
/pol/ aren't as politically radical as you'd believe, If you spend any amount of time with "them" on mediums outside of image boards they're mostly generic semi-neoconservatives with mild anti-PC beliefs.

>>8120285
>/pol/ aren't as politically radical as you'd believe

I know this.

>If you spend any amount of time with "them" on mediums outside of image boards they're mostly generic semi-neoconservatives with mild anti-PC beliefs

I also know this. But regardless, the possibilities of discussion on the internet are near endless and everything /pol/ does works to undermine that through simplifying everything in depth to jokes.

JUST STOP WITH ALL THE /pol/ SHIT.

YOU ARE JUST SHITTING UP THE THREAD.

EITHER GO TO >>>/pol/ OR STFU AND TALK ABOUT BOOKS.

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>>8120300
Does this upset you?

>>8120302
Not him but it's really upsetting me

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You have ten seconds to tell me a better written character in Stormlight than CAPTAIN KALADIN STORMBLESSED.
Brotip: You sure as fuck cannot.

>>8118764
Read the next Mistborn series then.

>>8119472
>all science fiction is set a bazillion years into the future

>>8120211
So it's a reactionary word?

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>>8120302
>mfw Vox is literally an Al Qaeda apologist

>>8120316
shuuuuut uppp

>>8120302

never read either of them, but Vox has some hideous cover art

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>>8120302
As much as I like Vox day for his trolling I wish we would get some real traditionalist writers in the genre. I guess they're too busy creating literature for the literati but it's really boring to only have progressives write genre works these days.

>>8120333
Never judge a book by its cover. :^)

>>8120338
this "tradition" you want is the dysfunction of a world it wasn't built to survive in :v)

>>8120310
How is the next series medieval?

>>8120333
I honestly suspect It's on purpose, every now and then they publish a book with a really good cover.

How close to YA do you like your books? Is there any YA guilty or non-guilty pleasures you have? You can't always read the same.

>>8120343
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>8120362
YA can be good as long as it is a mature story and not some edgy teen bulshit.

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>>8119903
Stellaris is pretty shit, it's basically just a framework for future DLC at this point.

>>8120375
What if do when, or go to see up and then forwards in around because even?

>>8120347

It's victorian
You know, guns and gunpowder and shit

>>8120375
It's a sentence you can understand.

Anybody here manage their physical library with software of some kind? I've been buying too many books lately, and have exceeded my ability to keep track of related titles. Solutions encountered thus far are either full blown public library automation packages (which don't appear to cover my specific needs) or online services like goodreads (I insist on local control). I've been researching standard computerized library cataloguing (MARC, Z39.50, SRU etc..), but don't quite have everything together.
Really, I just want the magic technology box to give me a list of my partially purchased series and the books needed to complete them.

>>8120509
>Really, I just want the magic technology box to give me a list of my partially purchased series and the books needed to complete them.

Notepad

>>8120302
Fake af, Scalzi is at #45 with Voxman nowhere to be seen.

http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/Science-Fiction/books/16272/ref=ntt_at_kar_B001IGJOCA

>>8120509
I used to have an autistically detailed Excel spreadsheet, but it died with my last computer. Out of curiosity, how many books are you dealing with?

>>8120586
I have several hundred SFF books and will continue to buy more. I spent 16 hours gathering indentifying numbers for each one (a significant number predate the use of barcodes, or even ISBNs). Googling each one and noting which series it belongs to isn't feasible.

>>8120686
>I used to have an autistically detailed Excel spreadsheet, but it died with my last computer.
Yeah, I probably should have started with something like that, but it has gotten out of hand.
>Out of curiosity, how many books are you dealing with?
Looks to be just over 1000. That's just SFF. I'm not going to bother with any of my other books.

>>8119775
lel, found the bernout guys.

>>8120761
I don't vote.

>>8120793
And I fuck models.

Your point?

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>>8120812
That you are dumb.

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Could anyone recommend me old fantasy pulp that's not Burroughs or Howard, preferably almost as good?

What's some good arabian/persian fantasy that's heavy on the magic/myth side?

I've already read The Orphan's Tales, The Golem And The Jinni, Alif The Unseen, and Throne Of The Crescent Moon

Im on the third malazan book. Really enjoyed the story from second book on. I loved felisin and her dirty mouth :x too bad she got boring af when she... took on that new role.

>>8120956
Clark Ashton Smith is where it's at desu

>>8119469
Seveneves. All done with current technology.
Enjoy your wasted hours.

>>8119535
Red Rising
After the shitty hunger games part i went to work late because I was reading.

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>>8121025
Anything in particular by him?

What's your favorite world? Not necessarily well developed, but most interesting.

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>>8121068
Dune

>>8120750
I wish I had more people like you in my life. N-not that I like you or anything... baka.

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>>8121184

>>8120956
Anything Moorcock really

>>8120657
I thought I was into SF, but apparently I'm not - I know only few of these authors (only meme-cline and fat fantasy neckbeard guy), that list looks terrible, is this the face of modern SF?

>PKD is only at #32 and doesn't even have an author pic
>Asimov at #44
>so much self-published crap

>>8118747
What, in your opinion is the greatest sci fi epic with the best world building

Is Malazan worth reading as a dumb person?

>>8121050
The Abominations of Yondo, The Last Incantation, The Satyr, The Door to Saturn, The Gargoyle Maker, A Vintage from Atlantis are the ones I remember best.

I'm living alone in the middle of nowhere and want some escapism filled with rich characters. Any recs?

>>8121068
Middle Earth and Bas-Lag

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>>8121357
Thanks, I will check them out. It's nice to have something to read this weekend.
>>8121236
I've been meaning to read his Elric series.

>>8121385
Urban fantasy written by women

>>8121337
Yes. It's not high literature but it's great, plenty of good plot without cheap tricks like ASOIAF. I really like it desu, and the world is more realistic than SOIAF while also being more fantastic. Characters are based also

>>8121445
someone's been burned

>>8121455
Dead serious, all the female writers I read there is always a rich guy somewhere. And the main character eventually gets involved with them.

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

There is a surprising lack of Dinosaurs in this thread. Did they migrate for the summer?

>>8121466
well I'm glad you'll be single forever.

arab fantasy where?

>>8121478
Me too, i love my money more than pussy. Why pay for pussy(going on dates, buying gifts, going out to dinner, buying clothes, paying for food etc etc) when I can buy an unlimited internet plan and get all the 3d and 2d porn I want? I just want to nut. When I done I don't even want her to touch me, so why pay to keep her around and make myself more uncomfortable?

This is the time to be alive, women no longer have a monopoly on pussy. I don't have to pretend I like the shit you are saying and putting up with all your BS, just to get a warm meat onahole at the end of the day.

Fuck. That. Shit.

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>>8121385
If you want escapism you ought to read pulp.

>>8121478
Are you one of those lonely and fat Urban Fantasy authors?
>>8121482
>>>/pol/

>>8121509
I'm not starting a race war dumbass, I want to read some arab-inspired fantasy

Is The Empire Trilogy any good?

>>8121517
..dune?

>>8121517
>I want to read some arab-inspired fantasy
Yeah, that's why I redirected you to /pol/.

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>>8121473
Dinos5ever.

>>8121520
that's science fiction, not fantasy

>>8121521
oh, you're one of those echo-chamber fags who want literally every fantasy book to be identical to game of thrones or the hobbit. Please fuck off.

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>>8121504
lmfao

>>8121546
The joke
------------>
Your head

>>8121560
that was your idea of a joke?
christ save us from unfunny cunts

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>>8121546
Dune is fantasy.

>>8121569
I don't want dune, or any space opera for that matter, but especially not dune. I did not enjoy it one bit

>>8121519
The Feist/Wurts one? Yes.

>>8121568
I guess you could say that the joke was on you. :^)

Ok ok, let me be cereal for a moment then. Arabic fantasy? hmmm. How about the quran?

>>8121578
I don't really want to be preached to, besides, if the 1001 nights aren't magical enough for me, I doubt the Quran will be

>>8121576
If you can't even handle Dune you don't belong on /lit/. Leave. If you're asking us to feed you genre. Leave.

>>8121585
newsflash kid, this entire thread is dedicated to genreshit. If I don't belong here, neither do you, or this entire general for that matter

>>8121584
I think that was supposed to be another "joke" anon.

It's hard to tell, but if you squint you can almost see humor in there

>>8121590
Oh no, I was dead serious. The quran is a pretty good high fantasy book.

>>8121588
>If you can't even handle Dune you don't belong on /lit/. Leave.

>>8121569
Dune is sci-fi m8, not even a debate.

>>8121594
I honestly should read it, if at the very least so I know what the hell is halal so I don't have trouble when I cook for guests

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>>8121614
I'm not so sure, it's more fantasy than space opera.

>>8121644

I said sci-fi, not space opera

>>8121648
There are pretty much no science fiction elements in it tho.

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>>8119775
Umad

>>8121657
you cant be serious

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>Dune has been considered sci-fi longer than anyone in this thread has been alive
>suddenly its fantasy

I think we now know why the dinosaurs cleared out

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One thing, as a car mechanic, that bothers me. Is the lack of disturbance towards the concept of fixing cars in novels. Seriously, it's like nobody considers it. Especially given how little of a choice there was in the far past towards what our parents wanted out of us and unwillingness. It's terrible cog gore horror shit. It's demeaning, dehumanizing, it fucks up what you look like to others forever. You slowly become as emontionless and rigid as the apparatus you fix. It's just, awful through and through with some positive elements (Most important of which the paycheck).

But I don't like how it isn't explored, demeaning and dehumanizing labor we have no choice but to be put through is a concept I don't that's ever been handeled well or properly. Maybe it's me, it's a deep seated fear of not being understood, that men's lack for cars in the past, or just their mindless travels, override our own autonomy and emotions towards naure, making you feel like some sort of fucking robot.

I don't know what I'm saying. I just wish mechanics weren't constantly written as "Men! With masks on! That fix stuff!", and not facing the clinkey wrinkey disturbing bullshit dealt with is. Or how we're forced into believing its acceptable after the shock and sobbing of knowing you're going to court for forgetting to wrench a little metal bit somewhere, and for some people, and for many people, it doesn't wear off. This was not even asx prevalent in the past I'm assuming given the lack of technology involved.

>>8121666
hail satan

>>8120250
It greatly depends on how much you can just ignore some unexplained things.

Also there is a lot of foreshadowing in the book that no one will understand when reading it for the first time.

If you want to guess: the very first poem (Call to shadow) makes a reference to a major plot point revealed in book 2.

>>8121658
you will be when he loses

>>8121670
nice effortmeme

>>8121068
Malazans world.

>>8121660
Think about it. I don't think Dune is really any more science fiction than Star Wars when it comes down to it.

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>>8121670
Was the "pregnancy is body horror" also a copypasta?

>>8121670
Why has this even become a meme?

>>8121689
It is now, apparently

>>8121690
The most absurd shit becomes a meme on this website nowadays. I'm not that surprised.

>>8121683
There is a considerable amount of depth put into the setting, specifically on Arrakis, with a very strong scientific backing.

Next to nothing is handwaved on the same tier as Star Wars, its actually ridiculous to even make that comparison.

>>8121697
>with a very strong scientific backing
Eh, the setting is obviously more thought out than Star Wars and it was a long time since I read Dune but I don't remember anything like this.

>>8119775
Kek, found the faggot.

>>8121710
sdlsjofsahlifjhaihsn kekekkekekekek xdddddD

>>8121704
Herbert did a considerable amount of research with desert ecologists to make life of Arrakis as authentic as possible.

For heavens sake one of the main characters IS an ecologist. What can anyone really say that legitimately puts Dune in the category of fantasy, as opposed to sci-fi where it actually belongs?

assasinate trump

>>8121716
science fiction & fantasy are kept in the same section ya knucklehead

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>/sffg/ in a nutshell

>>8121719
The hell are you even saying, if the distinction is meaningless then why is the distinction there in the first place?

I think it'd be better if we just call a spade a spade and not try to reinvent it.

>>8121718
Assassinate people who talk about politics in the /sff/ general.

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>george rr martin dies tomorrow after having a heart attack from too much clubbing
>karen traviss contracted to write remainder of series
>daenerys is now a manadalorian

>>8121718
>>8121713
>/sffg/ in currentyear - 4 + 2x2

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>>8121716
>What can anyone really say that legitimately puts Dune in the category of fantasy
It's character driven and there's mysticism. I wasn't dead serious when I said it was fantasy but I think it transcends the science fiction genre label.

>>8121728
There's as much mysticism as there is science, and being character driven is merely a quality of any good story no matter the genre.

>>8121726
>currentyear - 4 + 2x2

lol at the people who solved this for 2004.

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>>8121725
>GRRM
>Dying
No way man, he's taking it easy. Why do you think the book is coming along so slowly?

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One last image bump, going to bed now. Please don't shit up the thread with /pol/ or anti-/pol/ posts.

>>8121747
>>8121755
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>>8121733
What the fuck is wrong with you? Stop spamming the thread with shitty pictures.

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>>8121773

>>8121773
Atleast it isn't politics.

>250 posts in a single day
wew

>>8121773
>shitty pictures
Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell are great you faggot.

>>8120271
People from all across come to this thread. Pleb level has become massive, proof the polfag and the low quality of many liked works.

>>8121505
>>8121445
Well, what I mean by escapism is a series with a richly detailed world with richly detailed characters. Something I can kinda get lost in.

>>8121894
Post about non pleb books then instead of whining about it. Otherwise we only have metashitposting added to the list of cancers we currently suffer.

>>8121900
>Post about non pleb books then instead of whining about it.
I did, it didn't pick up.
>Otherwise we only have metashitposting added to the list of cancers we currently suffer.
Will metashitposting make you leave?

>>8121904
No, I intend to discuss the book I'm currently reading once I finish it. Why don't you leave, you insufferable cunt?

>>8121895
Terry Pratchett's Discworld, while not serious, should fit the bill.

>>8121742
>procrastinating at it's best.webm

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>>8121742
>GRRM is sitting around blowing bubbles instead of finishing writing the last ASoIaF books

>>8122078
Pretty sure it was a bit for one of those interview shows

>>8122078
>the last ASoIaF books
You really believe that he will manage to wrap it all up in 2 books?

>>8122217
>You really believe that he will manage to wrap it all up in 2 books?

I can almost bet that he's going to pull an "everybody dies lol 2grimdark4u", so yes.

>>8122255
Then I would rather hope that he never finishes them.

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>Fantasy novel that takes place in multiple locations that are traveled between during the story
>No map anywhere in the book.

>>8122270
I hate maps. Mostly because they're shit on a Kindle and I feel like the book will rely on them when the author puts them in.

Well I just finished this book and I must say, I'm happy as a spider, the ending gave me all the tingles in all the right places

>>8122275
>I'm happy as a spider

Are you the faggot that said the pedo writer was happy as a child?

>>8122270

draw it yourself from the information found in the book????

>>8122275
I wish I could transform into a spider at will.

>>8122278

it's clearly someone else making a funny about it

any good fantasy talking about race mixing, interracial relations and stuff?

>>8122315
Niggers aren't allowed here.

>>8122320
4chan got predictably boring

>>8122328
No anything with niggers and "strong women" in it is by default bad.

Unless they're getting degraded and raped.

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>>8122315
>>8122320
>>8122325
>>8122328
>>8122333
>falling for the b8

>>8122328

Malazan

>>8118747
Just finished Reaper's Gale and started Return of the Crimson Guard. It was a bit bloated desu, he should have cut the Awl storyline completely and some of the Sirryn/Gnol scenes. The stuff with the other characters was great, but there was too much flitting around.

>>8122346
>>8122343
>goodreads links are not triggering permaban

dont complain when the board becomes /r/books 2.0

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>>8122346

>>8122397

Goodreads reviews are actually pretty good
If you see something about
>Blatant misogyny HORRIBLE sexism

You know the book will be good

>>8122406
Damn, you're right. Keely's main complaint wrt Shadow of the Torturer was muh sexism.

>>8122416

Yeah, it's why I gave Brent Weeks even a chance, so many replies about sexism and rape, and I'm glad I did so.

>>8122450
I don't think that's the problem with him. More like he's just a bad writer with little substance.

>>8122452

Sure he has problems, but I enjoy the plots, I want to know what the fuck will happen in the next book, I'm always weary about starting new authors, but when the reviews clearly state sexism, misogyny and/or rape, then the decision is basically made for me

>>8122460
Breeks is an edgy little fuck but he can tell a fun plot when he feels like it.

>>8122078
>>8122087
>>8122217
>>8122255
>>8122265
What ever ending the tv show has, that is GURM'S preferred ending.

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Let's make this thread interesting:

I found out that the majority (probably) of fantasy books nowadays are written for young women.
Not saying that there aren't women who write for both genres (Robin Hobb)

How do I keep myself away from accidentally buying shit like Twilight?
Pic related.

>>8122283
>pull back pull back
>damage control damage control

>>8122604
Don't buy random stuff and look up stuff before? I doubt you have read every book in the OP or whatever.

>>8122604
Make a mental list of the recs and skim through the summaries.

Read all the premises that interest you.When you've cleaned out /lit/ move to r/fantasy and then goodreads if you're desperate.

>>8122609
We have this discussion every day, but most of OP's books aren't translated

>inb4 translations suck

>>8122315
Riyria books, humans and elves doing the horizontal tango.

>>8122613
What? They're English originals mostly.

>>8122617
I clearly said:"aren't"

I don't like to read in English.

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>>8122604
>How do I keep myself away from accidentally buying shit like Twilight?
Only read old books. Even if the new stuff is targeting nu-males it's bound to be much worse than the old stuff. The only reason why you would want to read anything new would be if you want something edgy. Otherwise stick to the classics. As for good new stuff you will know them by the whimpering sheboons and lamentations of effeminate men.

>>8122397
I had to talk with a 4chen mod a few years ago, apparently a goodreads link was triggering the spam filter, and it told me if I posted again I would be banned.

Was pretty nice working with the mod to see why it triggered the spam filter desu.

>>8122621
Well that's an absolutely retarded criteria and clearly your problem then. Not only are you missing out on the biggest sell of a book, the prose, but also on a huge library of great reads.

Why not browse book forums in your language?

>>8122621
So you would like them in swedish?

>>8122631
So why isn't the spam filter working now? Posting a goodreads link should instantly ban you for at least a day.

>>8122635
Why not browse book forums in your language?
No one's writing good fantasy unfortunately.

>>8122635
Why would I replace English for an inferior language like that?

>>8122604
The genre is pretty dead for content right now and for the foreseeable future. There's only a handful of decent authors still putting out content consistently. Not enough new ideas, all the prospective authors either copied LotR, based everything on Dungeons and Dragons, or only wrote Fantasy because they wanted to write Historical Fiction but knew it wouldn't sell.

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>>8122604
>Sanderson
>written for little girls
The fuck you on mate?

This is good bait, but use goodreads, check the right hand corner for the stats.
If you see teenage romance, teenage girl, drop like hotcakes.

>>8122643
>Why would I replace English for an inferior language like that?
Because you sound like a cuck. Man up and read them in their original language.

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>>8122624
W-welcome back, n-not that I missed you or anything.

>>8122648
No dude, that's the Amazon top fantasy writers lists.

Never claimed All of them wrote for girls. But the best selling fantasy books nowadays are for teenage girls.

>>8122604
>>8122645
It's a great fucking time to be a writer though, thanks to Fifty Shades of Grey your only woman character can be a submissive bitch and they'll claim It's feminist lit.

>>8122641
Because it isn't a harmful site, the filter thought it was a phishing site or a virus because of how many "/" and "." it contained.

Goodreads is a good tool to store what you read and for reading up on a buy before you buy.
You are like some decrepit grandpa talking about how blacks weren't allowed education in his days, When told everyone could use the library. You afraid of change.

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>>8122648
>Mistborn
>Not a story of an edgy teenage little girl

>>8122684
>edgy
You've got to have a resemblance of personality to be "edgy" Anon.

>>8122686
Zero fucks given. I'm glad I can leave that to my imagination.

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>>8122684
Didn't say it wasn't, but ŗęâđ here, it was NOT written FOR edgy teenage little girls

>>8122690
Why is Japan's goal to turn everyone into faggots? I mean their birth rates are pretty low, and they try to change that by making new fetishes with hentai, the "get pregnant" fetish, yet they go and do shit like this.

Make a guy super feminine, and super attractive, and have people screaming "get pregnant from your bitch of a ass pussy".

W T F
T
F

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>>8122681
I'm pretty sure I got AIDS from visiting goodreads. I'm not afraid of change, I just don't think change is universally for the better like progressives do.

>>8122701
Most trap stuff is made by women.

>>8122710
Even haremshit has traps.

>>8122742
Gormenghast

>>8122742
The Eye of Argon

>>8118747
Why don't you people just go into >>>/tv/ where you belong.

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>>8122755
Same reason you don't fuck off to /his/.

>>8122690
I would fuck that. I don't even care I just want to cum.

>>8122705
t. Retired Bi-plane Airforce Pilot

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>>8122807

>>8122810
Nothing is hotter that lesbians getting raped, putting my cock where few cocks went before is a fetish of mine.

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https://www.quora.com/Is-Game-of-Thrones-an-overrated-TV-series

>b) You could argue that the themes explored in the show are shallow or lack depth.
In which case, you could not be more wrong. GRRM writes a very compelling epic fantasy that goes beyond the conventional story lines of "good vs evil" (eg Harry Potter or The lord of the rings).

>The story is not only unpredictable but also goes above and beyond to show the real face of humanity- one that is not only honorable and altruistic but also cruel, heartless and gruesome, often at the same time. The dark themes center around characters that are motivated by power, acceptance and sex. Many people relate to the characters in the books and the show. And maybe that is why the franchise is so popular.

>ASOIAF is one of the few series that explore adultery, sexuality, incest and politics in a fantasy world. And it only adds to the uniqueness of the show.

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>>8122820
>However, for a story set in what seems to be an early medieval European milieu, women were treated as nothing more than breeding stock, were basically sold for alliances, and regularly raped.

These are the main constituents of fantasy consumption lads.

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>>8122820
>ASOIAF is one of the few series that explore adultery, sexuality, incest and politics in a fantasy world.
You what mate?

Does this cuck know how many GRI APPROVED books are out there?

>>8122829
Ah, the feminism meme.

>>8122820
I can't even express how bored I am of adultery, sexuality, incest and politics in fantasy, It's that ridiculously common.

>>8122834
Do you expect anything better from normies?

>GoT is blunt. GRRM doe not hide grim realities behind pretty phrases.
>It's realistic. Anybody can die anytime. It depicts the uncertainties of life very clearly.
>It's smart. It know how to keep the audience to their feet.
>It's fantasy. Now who doesn't like imaginary fiction?
>It's characters are gems in their own rights.
>It's gripping. Once you've started, you can't stop
It's clear these people haven't read any fantasy other than LOTR and ASOIAF. Terry fucking Pratchett for a more serious read.

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>>8122829
>However, for a story set in what seems to be an early medieval European milieu, women were treated as nothing more than breeding stock, were basically sold for alliances, and regularly raped.
Yes because we all know that around that time women had rights, and the law enforced them.

>>8122839
Rape is natural.

>>8122849
>le women were chattel in the dark ages meme

I'm not saying that they were treated like first class citizens, but what the faggot described never happened in a stable and long-lasting medieval society.

>>8122839
I'm a virgin, so I take my jollies wherever they come from .

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>>8122849
>Yes because we all know that around that time women had rights, and the law enforced them.
Is this bait or are you really this ignorant?

>>8122855
Of course it didn't, but he doesn't know that; Fantasy readers hate history because of how boring, uneventful and mundane it is.

>>8122857
Rape is not disgusting, it's hot.

>>8122867
It's not rape if you're willing, you idiot.

>>8122867

Moved on from pregnancy to rape fantasies, haven't you?