/sffg/ - Sword and Sorcery Edition

>>8036624
Take Sanderson to /a/

How would you define the subgenres of fantasy, and what do you think are the best examples of each?

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>>8036624

>>8036648
I wouldn't at all. The division is artificial and arbitrary and just leads to garbage floating up to the surface, with say 'best urban fantasy' or best 'dark fantasy' or whatever. It's just an aesthetic which doesn't hold much importance, unless you have autism.

>>8036648
There's Shit and then there's Not Shit.

>>8036671
I understand where you're coming from to some extent, but I don't think it's entirely arbitrary. Something like Conan is pretty distinct from something like ASOIAF, which in turn is pretty distinct from something like the Amber series. So I do know what kind of thing to recommend if someone asks for sword-and-sorcery vs. if someone asks for epic fantasy.

>>8036620
First for Riyria being the new Gray Mouse meme.

Bros going on adventures and fucking shit up? Riyria

Bros going to loot shit?
Riyria

>>8036728
Except it's shit.

>>8036728
Yeah, except Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser is still better.

>>8036728
>Riyria
a jap is trying to pronounce liliya?

>>8036730
>>8036732
Conan and Fag Mouser is shit too, yet you still shill it. So me and our «Anti-Dinosaur Crew™» gonna shill it till thy kingdom come.

I remember being the first time posting Fafhrd and Grey Mouser. It was almost never mentioned. But the rage of plebs against it has given rise to it, entering the holy fantasy meme trinity.

>>8036730
>everything is actually shit
I just summed up your entire existence. How depressing is it that you can't enjoy anything?

>>8036755
Nice projections, how depressing is it that you can't deal with reality?

>>8036755
Being elitist means your enjoyment of things is immensely greater, because you don't read for instant satisfaction, but for acquisition of knowledge and experience and unique aesthetic beauty.

>>8036740
You people are worst tha scum. We are trying to give people fucking quality literature to read, and you oppose us every time with your fucking brain dead drivel.

When persons ask for recommendations, they want books that would strengthen their understanding of the human condition. Not fucking medieval spiderman flying around on a smoke sword and giving quirky remarks.

Why you beta nu-male trash stick around, after we constantly belittle you is beyond my understanding.

/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, go to /tg/ /co/ or /a/ if you want to discuss what you like.

>>8036740
The problem isn't that you're pushing new books. It's that you're pushing shitty new books at the expense of good books that happen to be older.

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This discussion made me think;

What are some books or authors that are between 'high brow' (Wolfe, Peake) and 'low brow' (Rohtfuss, Butcher)? So not completely bland, but also not overbearingly artistic (you aren't always in the mood for something like Peake).

I'm guessing Malazan would fit. What else?

>>8036740
>Conan and Fag Mouser
Come on, now. Fafhrd is pretty different from Conan, and if you're going to make gay jokes, "Faggot and the Gay Mouser" sounds much more like "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser."

At least step up your trash talk.

>>8036784
Sword and sorcery in general. Conan, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Elric, stuff like that.

>>8036772
>When persons ask for recommendations, they want books that would strengthen their understanding of the human condition
Yes, clearly every human being ever that reads books only wants to read for that specific reason. Dumbass.

>>8036771
Yes, because we all know reading Gray Mouser is going to increase your swordman aesthetics and your stealing knowledge.

>>8036781
Gray mouser is shit why can't you fags get it through your heads? Is it because you don't read much fantasy? It reads like one big cliche and the narrative is fucking goddamn annoying.

>>8036799
Feel free to post better books. Though it's pretty clear Ryria isn't one of them.

>>8036784
Riyria is right on the money.

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>>8036812

>>8036818
I'd still put that under low brow.

>>8036812
>The thing you're enjoying is shit why can't you get it through your head that you aren't really enjoying it!

>>8036756
You responded to my post within 50 seconds, which means you're doing nothing more than sitting at your computer waiting for replies. If that's not depressing then I don't know what is. I would venture to guess you aren't even reading a book because your attention span shouldn't be taken away from it so quickly - and if it is, either your attention span is shit or the book you're reading is shit (or both!).

Fortunately, there's a perfect board for posters like you, maybe you should consider checking it out:
>>>/b/

>>8036830
So after your initial projections you respond with more projections, good job. There's this thing called tabs, it lets you have more than one thread open. You're a pretty sad person.

>>8036822
Same can be said of you and Riyria you fucking hypocrite.

>he doesn't like my books
What an uncultured swine

>I don't like his books
Clearly my better breeding has given me an acquired taste, plebian need not apply

First for Red Rising Trilogy.

>>8036850
>YA

>>8036850
>YA
Out.

>>8036851
>>8036852
>it's YA meme again
Can you guys stop this?

>>8036866
What exactly is a meme about that? 4chan is a 18+ site, we shouldn't talk about books aimed at kids.

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>>8036784
Look in gay rape, and random sections

>>8036868
>rape, gay, murder, cannibalism, overthrowing the gov,
>all things that are aimed at kids
This board is lit, that means you have to read to be able to post here. Not just meme.

>>8036835
There are multiple people in this thread. I never commented on Riyria, because I've never read it. Seeing your attitude kind of sours me on the idea, too. Had you brought it up in a context other than shitting on other people's taste and trying to convince them to stop liking things that they like, I might have given it a shot.

Anyway, you're the one who constantly throws a tantrum any time anyone brings up Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser or any other fantasy series that started before the year 2000.

>>8036880
I did say kids, not toddlers, no? The writing style is extremely bland and the plot is made for people with ADHD. No artistic merit in any form whatsoever.

>>8036799
More like baroque aesthetic of the city and a tale of friendship as well as vast imagination of Leiber.
>>8036880
That's the content of anime at large because being edgy is actually aimed at teenagers.

>>8036891
Don't compare a higher art form like anime to the shit that is Red Rising ever again.

>>8036881
>it's only one anon that doesn't like what I like
Sure it is buddy.

If you don't want to read Riyria because I'm fed up of pseudo elitist cunts constantly saying what they like is the epitome of fantasy, and I'm doing something about it, and you got caught in the net because you were posting like them, then I'm sorry.

You'll miss out, there are more than one /Riyria/ in these threads, and soon we will spread it to the masses.

>>8036884
I bet you like Infinite Jest you fucking commie.

>>8036892
>anime is a higher art form
>Sanderson is anime
>ergo Sanderson is a higher art form of literature

>>8036901

>Sanderson is anime

What? He writes books, he doesn't draw or animate or do anything related to anime

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>>8036906

>>8036894
Is there more than one person who likes Riyria? Almost certainly.

Is there more than one who has a meltdown and starts ranting and calling everyone dinosaurs whenever anyone talks about Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser? Probably not.

>tfw cataloguing sff library till 4am
I can't reliably avoid duplicate purchases anymore.

Does anybody here use some kind of software to track and manage their collection?

The Crown Conspiracy was an enjoyable enough book, but nothing that wowed me. It was generally well-paced, but it also wasn't a book that I couldn't put down...

I think one of my complaints was that there wasn't really a lot of character development - it's very much a plot-based book. Which is fine, for what it is - I just, personally, tend to prefer more depth in characters. I felt it was kind of standard "reluctant thief, jovial merc, brat prince thrown into power... Go!"

>>8036964
Try Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. It's waaaay better.

Is there anything in fantasy that comes across as a war drama?

>>8036980
Book of the Short Sun, but in a specific way. War takes up a lot of it and it's a great read, but maybe not what you are looking for.

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>half the people memeing about wolfe and Mouser never even read it

>>8037257
You mean those who didn't read Leiber and couldn't finish Wolfe?

>>8037257
I have Swords Against Death in front of me right now and am about a third of the way through it right now.

Never read Wolfe, though. Should I?

>>8037269
I think he's by far the best sff writer, and if you enjoy mystery, symbolism, heavy atmosphere and religious under and overtones, he should make a fantastic read.

Question, why have scif/fantasy book covers become so shit? They use to have cool painted covers that really intrigued me but now many have these horrible designs made in photoshop.

>>8037289
Fanbase changed from normal people to 'nerd culture'. Also, the dumbest of the female sex read a lot of fantasy, which brought it down even more than the neckbeards.

>>8037289
Perhaps because artists don't need to do book covers to get exposure anymore? They can showcase on the internet now.

>mfw the Gray Mouser kills death.
Where rhe fuck you gonna go from there, Lieber?

>>8036911
He's right you, they are in fact just words and a few illustrations

So what makes Riyria shit. What if I read Lankhmar and Ririya,

>>8037289
Tbh it seems to be with most books. It's either you get a minimal design (Title/author with a fancy font on a single color background, maybe a symbol) or bad photoshop.

The same is happening with movie posters, and the reason I heard is that studios don't what to shill as much money for good artists so they just try to get marketing to make something in photoshop. I'm guessing it's the same with publishers.

>>8037339
Death kills him with old age.
Also, the 4th book is the best. They fought off the Skaven

>>8037347
I haven't read Riyria. I'm sure it's fine. What's annoying is just the way it gets brought up as if it somehow makes Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser irrelevant.

>>8037352
Is the fourth book the one that's a novel?

>>8037370
Yeah.
It's all kinda mixed up by now, it's been some time and I've read 6.

Is Berserk the best work of fantasy of all time or what? Will there ever be a book to surpass it?

>>8037535
>Is Berserk the best work of fantasy of all time or what?
Not even top 50
>Will there ever be a book to surpass it?
Hundreds

>>8037544
That many? Which? Because I know for a fact that no Wolfe book is even remotely close to the genius of Berserk.

>>8037552
Why do these shitty baits get posted here?

>>8037560
No idea, I guess some people are bitter their favorite books aren't as good as Berserk.

>>8037573
That's because they didn't read Rothfuss and Sanderson.

>>8036957
Can we discuss autistic shelving methods?
>sort stuff into genres (SF, fantasy, horror)
>within each genre, alphabetize by author's surname
>within each author, arrange chronologically by publication date unless it's a direct sequel to something else
>profit
How do you do it? The main drawback with mine is that an author's works can get scattered on different shelves, for example Mieville has three separate groups.

>>8037583
Skip the separate folders for genres, do everything else the same, and add genre tags. Then everything is sorted by author properly, and you can still filter by genre.

>>8037593
Ooh, that's good. What about for physical books?

>>8036957
Goodreads

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FINISHED

>>8037355
I haven't read Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. I'm sure it's fine. What's annoying is just the way it gets brought up as if it somehow makes Riyria irrelevant.

>>8037801
Riyria is the thing that makes Riyria irrelevant - it's garbage that is even below Sanderson and Rohtfuss.

What are some good fantasy books about cute boys going on adventures (a la HxH)?

>>8037583
I am unfortunately tight for space, leading to a simple author grouping. My paperbacks are all stacked sideways at two to three layers of depth. I bought a shipping container to fill with shelving, but it's a work in progress.

>>8037647
Yeah, it looks pretty cool, but I prefer to keep software local.

>>8037801
>I haven't read Book of the New Sun. I'm sure it's fine. What's annoying is just the way it gets brought up as if it somehow makes Harry Potter irrelevant.

>>8037801
What makes it irrelevant here is that nobody cares about it but you because you only mentioned it for the first time in this thread. For all we know it might be Rothfuss tier or decent.

>>8037737
Truly herculean anon. An effort much appreciated. I was wondering though, how are you catergorizing modern? Isn't the Niven book a bit out of place?

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>>8037737
Delete this

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>>8037737
Here have an improved version

>>8037737
What's that read colour thingy?

>>8037821
Do you even read the threads? Or do you just post to the most replied post?

Last thread confirmed that there are atleast 4 Riyria fags lurking in the general.

>>8037826
*tips*

>>8037737
Just stop, everything you make is trash.

Would anybody like to give me a non-biased, objective as possible summary of the sad puppies thing.

(Sorry if I just opened up a can of worms).

>>8037874
>hugo becomes shit because of massive influx of progressive ideology
>some people don't like it
>a group of not so great thinkers organises themselves to vote other novels which are ironically also shit

>>8037874
Basically a smallish group of fans, led by Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia, felt that the Hugos were biased against pulpy-adventure type fiction and had too much of what they call "message fiction" (books with an ideological or political content). They took advantage of a loophole in the Hugo rules to "slate" some works they liked better, getting them nominated with only 200 or so votes. Some other people in fandom thought this was unfair, there was much arguing back and forth, and nothing the Puppies nominated won. (This is the first round of things, 2013-14 or so).

cont'd

>>8037874
Alright, take the bickering in this thread. Now imagine it taking place at an international award organization. Sad puppies thing in a nutshell.

>>8037892
Sometime in late 2014 or early 2015, Vox Day got involved. And, while I'll try to be unbiased as you asked, I have to say he's basically a troll - he's written /pol/ style books called "SJWs Always Lie" and "Cuckservative", and runs his own vanity press called Castalia. Also Vox Day is a pun on "Vox Dei" - he seems to consider himself the voice of god or something. He started a campaign of "Rabid Puppies" alongside the Torgersen/Correia "Sad" ones, doing kind of the same thing but with a more /pol/ flavor to it. He and John C. Wright think there's a conspiracy in the Hugos to award "SJW" writers, especially women/minorities, regardless of actual quality. It became a whole political deal, they nominated a bunch of Castalia books (mostly by Day and Wright themselves). The Hugo voters didn't like this, and voted "No Award" over the slated works in almost every category. That was last year.

cont'd

I prefer sword and sorcery stuff. The problem is the puppies aren't genuinely pushing pulpy stuff but actually pissed off at the very fact of non-conservative fiction ever winning. They push this absurd "it's all pretentious" angle as if the Hugos have always been about simple adventure tales, ignoring the fact that Dick and Le Guin won awards for pretty heady stuff.

>>8037939
But there is a global conspiracy to make progressive ideology dominant everywhere.

>>8037939
This time around, the original "Sad" group hasn't really done anything - Torgersen and Correia are both sitting the awards out. The "Rabid" group has done basically the same thing again, forcing nominations for Space Raptor Butt Invasion and something called "Safe Space as Rape Room". It's not even about SFF anymore, really, they've said they just want to shit on the awards for what happened last year. They've also taken to slating stuff that was already popular (like Neils Gaiman and Stephenson) to see if it gets No Awarded because of the slating, which according to them would prove there's a conspiracy.

tl;dr version: basically >>8037888.

>>8037965
>would prove there's a conspiracy
Don't the puppies themselves constitute a conspiracy?

>>8037953
Why is that a problem?

>>8037805
Why is it garbags? Still havent heard any reasons

>>8037994
Because progressives are ALMOST as bad as conservatives.

Thanks for the explanations, I actually didn't know it predated gamergate.

>>8037892
>>8037939
>>8037965
What does slating actually mean though?

I have read all the Lankhmar books. I'm going to read Riyria soon. Will report back with a fair comparison.

I liked Lankhmar but am in no way predisposed to like or dislike the Riyria books. Comparison may be difficult since they're totally different kinds of fantasy (sword and sorcery vs., at least according to Google, high fantasy). But I'll do my best.

>>8037953
yeah, everywhere except israel who for some reason are able to use racial profiling at their airport to weed out muslim wackos and are able to put up a border wall to keep out undesirable races without so much as a peep from the liberal nytimes or even the liberal npr....but when trump or marine lapen talks about it suddenly they are worse than Hitler...

From what I've seen, the Hugos have become friends voting for friends, which usually ends up happening in fandoms. It just so happens that this fandom is progressive in politics. They write fiction that is basically political rants (Not more "literate" as some people will tell you). Some authors just like writing pulp-adventure type stuff and feel like it's being excluded so they try to get it nominated. A much more conservative group that just doesn't like progressives also try to get more conservative stuff nominated. All this ends up just being a horrible internet flamewar full of stupid bickering. Conclusion: fandoms are stupid, no matter what there political ideology is.

>>8038047
>be a leftist
>like pulpy stuff
I just don't pay attention to the Hugos anymore.

>>8038047
The greatest thing that has come of this is the nomination of that sheer work of genius which illuminates the object itself, that palpable thing between the light of reason and the shadow of fleeting words on the page, in Best Related Works. If it is No Awarded, then, in the words of that busty french woman, let them eat shit (or something). (It will be, of course, therefore preparations are being made for the fecal feast even as we speak ...)

>>8038077
Hi Marc.

>>8038065
Genre fiction awards in general I think aren't really needed anymore, I think they stop the genre from being good, instead forcing writers to follow whatever trends are in to win awards.

Also, I don't really care what your political stance is, if you're fiction writing reads like a political rant I won't like it.

>>8038083
Hello! The hugo packet will include the whole book - excited about that, anyway.

>>8038084
Someone needs to tell it like it is about dysgenic fertility and sterilize these muppets before we are over-run with the least viable genetic variations. Natural selection is dead, dead, dead thanks to people on state and federal assistance insurance having access to better and more affordable health care than the actual working class. Just sayin'.

This whole Puppies isn't new, during the whole New Wave era of sci-fi in the 60s/70s there were arguments over how the New Wave writers were making sci-fi pretenious and weren't respecting the old guys (That's mostly Moorcock and his hatred of Tolkein and Lewis).

I generally prefer the literate New Wave stuff (Some pulp can me fun, but it's usually pretty bad), but these guys the Puppies are fighting against are pretty much bad YA writers, not these avant-garde writers they believe themselves to be.

Also Scalzi is a hack, don't read people who let themselves be quoted on the cover of Ready Player One.

>>8038122
Excellent. I agree.

>>8038084
The World Fantasy Awards are probably the most legit Speculative fiction award right now.


Speaking of them, is it true they're replacing the bust of Lovecraft with a Cthulhu trophy, because that will be badass!

I just started reading The Way of Kings and I am loving it so far. It's really fun, does most of Sanderson's work stand up to it? Or is this like the one thing that's good from him?

Vox Day is a troll that should be ignored, treating him like a boogeyman is playing right into his hands.

>>8038137
Do the WFA avoid political bias in any direction, recognize the value of both literary speculative fiction and more adventure-oriented, pulpy work, and have a method of determining winners that isn't susceptible to puppy-esque shenanigans?

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Threadly reminder avoid all these. Can somebody shoop wolfe, riyria and clarke in there?

>>8038154
You be the judge, here's last year's winners and nominations:

http://www.worldfantasy.org/awards/

The idea that the Hugos have gone 'too literary' is hilarious when you compare recent Hugo winners with actual literature.

>>8038179
>hating locked in
It's because you find out the MC is black and got more money than trump halfway through, when you thought he was white all along isn't it ?

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>>8038179
I added Riyria, anyway.

>>8038179
>>8038190
...OH SHIT HERE WE GO

>>8038190
Okay, I laughed.

>>8036833
why are you on a board about literature if you don't know how to read?

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>>8037737
>city of stairs

If you legitimately like cultural cuckoldry, I guess.

>>8038267
What if I just don't give a fuck?

Is David Mitchell's stuff considered fantasy/Sci-fi?

Would you guys be okay if I made the next thread more broad by making it Speculative/Imaginative lit general? Not only would we talk about sci-fi/fantasy but also horror, gothic, alternate history, utopian/dystopian, magic realism, surrealism, and even mythology. Any literature that deals with something that can't happen in reality is allowed.

>>8038360
I think speculative covers everything.

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>Lift pressed her hand against the seeds, then summoned her awesomeness.

What did he mean by this?

>>8038360
We talk about all that stuff anyway. If you're serious about it, you'll need to make some charts for all those other genres to go in the OP.

Personally, I like it being the SFF general, but I don't mind the other stuff getting discussed here.

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OP image for a future /sffg/ thread.

>post twice about a book I like
>the next thread is full of shitposting about it

What is wrong with this board?

>>8038190
>Shadow Ops on a troll list
Wait, did other people like this? I thought /lit/ would have dismissed it as a shitty X-men fanfic if they could even get past the urban fantasy label.

Also, what the hell is with the insanely specific trope of teleporters being the most powerful people in urban fantasy? Grimnoir, Shadow Ops, and October Daye off the top of my head.

>>8038187
This. Anyone who has ever paid attention to 'the Hugos' should be euthanized.

>>8038557
>its a troll list because books i like are on it.

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>>8038504
Fag mouser lover is butthurt kek

>>8038504
Those books would have been bearable without the princess.

>>8038673
Without the princess, shitty puns on the cover, and need of the author to repeat the same thing multiple times on the same page.

>>8038556
What book anon?

>>8038677
Almost certainly either the Lankhmar books or the Riyria books, given the shit-flinging match that's been going on about them.

I mean, I like Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser and haven't read the Riyria stuff yet? but some of this is ridiculous.

>>8037737

Add mistborn

>>8038681
>>8038677
Probably Riyria, the grey mouser hate has been going on for a while, albeit in the background.

I've been reading Hyperion and man this shit is good

Im only 2 stories in but damn this is some interesting storytelling

>>8038681

I haven't read either of them, what should I think about them, should I like them?

>>8038688
You mean second era, because anyone over 22 reading the first always finds some problem with it.

Put books that I read that would grip people's attention also must have the memes, wolfe, gay/rape/incest, etc etc

Reading Myles Cameron soon, and black sword, if they good will update list, and remove/add stuff.

>>8038703
Are you genuinely trying to become a meme?
>think for me sffg
>tell me what to say

Anybody got any recs for fantasy that has a main character that's an archer? Most I find are swordsmen or wizards or stuff I just want some sick archery

>>8038703
You should read them yourself to decide.

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>>8038701
Enjoy while it lasts.

>>8038717
Hunger Games

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>reading Vacuum Diagrams
>just got to around the middle of the collection with the huge timeskip
OH BOY OH BOY
IS THIS WHEN SHIT BECOMES WEIRD


>>8038709
I like that.
<22 for Era 1 and >22 for Era 2. Gotta be old and mature to understand and enjoy the best character in the Cosmere. :-)

>>8038717
Homeric Hymns to Artemis.

>>8038814
>Gotta be old and mature to understand and enjoy the best character in the Cosmere. :-)
Wayne? Are you a fucking moron?

Do you guys share your goodreads profile here?

I've been trying to document the books I've read and expand my taste from Japanese Authors and their GRI factor.

>>8038833
>Japanese authors
The only Japanese author I've read is Murakami. What others can you recommend?

>their GRI factor
What's a GRI factor?

so, i bothered to check wtf 'riyria' is

>Hadrian - Hadrian Blackwater is an ex-soldier/mercenary in search of a purpose in life. Son of a village smith who taught him to use the sword in the old forgotten forms, he could not wait to leave home. This he did at 15. By the time he meets up with Royce, he has fought in all kingdoms of Apeladorn and is sick of war. He is only 20 years.

my god... i literally cringed at after every sentence

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>>8038821
Confirmed for <22. ^_^

>>8038838
Usurper of the Sun by Housuke Nojiri was pretty good.

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>>8038838
Got this from some thread or another. Can't vouch for much, but it looks neat.

>>8038846
><22
>^_^
Yea, not anymore.

>>8038856
><22
>not anymore.
Happy birthday?

>>8038857
I read the Misborn Trilogy when I was 21, five years ago.

>>8038838
>GRI
>Gay, Rape, Incest

-/\--/\--/Ж/--

my fail attempt to draw a cat tail with a bow ><

>>8038867
Is that multiplicative or additive?

>>8038840
>I don't actually read books
>i didn't read a book since my last teacher assigned mandatory reading in HS
>i go on wikis for summaries
Wtf are you even doing on sffg, much less the literature board?

>>8038882
Not that anon, but where would you recommend going for a brief summary of Riyria to see if it's the kind of series I'm likely to enjoy?

>>8038861
Jesus fuck how many 26 year old we have on this general?

I'm 26, so is cosmerefag, now this anon.

>>8038895
25 here, but my dad says I can pass for 26 if I go a few days without shaving.

Everyone 25+, list age and three favorite /sffg/-relevant series (or books if they're standalones).

>>8038878
Both? A good rape adds to the story, and some good incest multiples my interest

>>8038882

the wiki saves me a lot of time saving from books about sick of war 20 y.o. vets who were taught the forgotten sword arts by their village smith fathers who are on the quest to find the purpose in life

>>8038908
Age: 28
Favorite series/novels:
#1 - Lankhmar/Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser (not joking/trolling)
#2 - Zelazny's Amber series
#3 - Watership Down

>>8038894
Read book one and find out. Any blurb is going to be biased either for or against, want a neutral opinion? Read it yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBKM5puZDM

>tfw nobody will ever write a catchy song about reading Riyria over and over and over to find comfort during hard times

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>>8038929
B-but you're no dinosaur grandpa

>>8038942
Give me a summary that's biased in favor of it, that at least gives some kind of sense of what's in it.

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What is your favorite
>humanity comes across a (or inspects) a mysterious alien structure
story?

>>8038895
I'm actually 25 but I'll be 26 in around 4 weeks.

>>8038957
At the Mountains of Madness

>>8038957
Rama

>>8038957
Does The Sunken Land count?

>>8038956
I'm on a tablet, don't know if i have the energy to greentext, and too lazy to get otg cable.

Any other anon willing to shill Riyria to this anon.>>8038956

Anybody here actually like both Lankhmar and Riyria, or should I just skip Riyria if I like Lankhmar, since apparently you're only allowed to like one or the other?

Is historical fiction allowed in this thread? Looking for more piracy or golden age of sail books. I've read the obvious Master and Commander, Horatio Hornblower, Treasure Island type stuff, but I'd like more, especially non-children or YA pirate books.

>>8038967
How much of Rama did Pushing Ice take similarity from?

>>8038986
Dude, quit stressing over it and read the damn books.

A few weeks ago I gave up on my magnum opus because I couldn't write modern fantasy without it feeling like shitty writing. Today I realized if I set it in the 1930s it makes even more sense.

The only problem is I will have to completely overhaul one character for the sake of historical accuracy, because there is no way in hell an indian woman could be a physicist in the 1930s

>>8039022
She could if it's pulpy enough. Or she could work some other job but be self-taught in physics from some books + having a male friend who's a physicist.

>>8039022
Just have her be a "medicine woman."

>>8039029
I can see a woman physicist. I know those existed, but an indian woman physicist is straight out

>>8039045
indian, not native american. Besides, having a scientist in the cast is kind of important. I'll just make her white or jewish.

I also have to give her a snake themed name but Eve is a bit too on the nose considering some of the symbolism that's supposed to orbit around her

>>8039022
>because there is no way in hell an indian woman could be a physicist in the 1930s

why so intolerant

>>8039131
I think anon is actually saying the 1930s were an intolerant time in which Indians weren't given many opportunities, women weren't given many opportunities, and Indian women were given basically none.

btw she easily could be a physicist in say soviet russia

>>8039137
but the story is set in new york. Hell, I was thinking of renaming the story to "the manhattan project"

>>8039131
Fuck off back to Tumblr!

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>>8039142
Why does /lit/ insist on being gay?

>>8039149
Because this is 4chan, where you will be mocked and berated if you behave like those lunatics that infest Tumblr. If you don't like it, you can go back there to your safespace.

>>8039136

to be fair, even if you read the frigging adventures of sherlock holmes it mentions an indian uni student in one of the stories

as for female physicists, have you even heard about marie curie?

while it's not a common sight an indian female physicist would be completely possible, especially as an emigrant from europe

>>8039161
I was just interpreting what that anon said, not asserting my own views about the 1930s.

>>8039022
Why not make it alternate history

>>8039159
First, I'm pretty sure the anon who said "why so intolerant" was being tongue-in-cheek. Second, "Fuck off back to Tumblr!" is not mockery and berating; it just seems butthurt.

>>8039178
Really? You sound pretty butthurt to me.

>>8039149
>megamilk pudding

>>8039177
the story involves a parallel universe so one kind of has to be. Particularly since that one in particular is a universe where the second coming is thought to have already happened.

Actually, when thinking about it, things are going to be pretty weird there since that jesus-2.0 is a girl which seems a lot weirder in the 1930s than it does now. She's also going to need a race lift to be historically accurate so I guess I can't really name her after my friend who killed herself anymore

Anybody know if it's feasible to make a living writing web serials? Apparently Wildbow, who has written two of the most famous web serials and is working on a third, makes $2500/month via Patreon, plus some Paypal donations.

>>8039213
Patreon is horribly unsecure, and I wouldn't recommend using it. They're probably not going to be around much longer anyway.

>>8039220
Any similar platforms that are more secure?

>>8039222
I think there's a way to set up your website so that people can give you money over PayPal just like it's a Patreon account. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out, and then you don't have to give Patreon a cut of the money.

>>8039233
You would miss out on Patreons advertising/brand?

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>>8039220
>They're probably not going to be around much longer anyway.

>>8039256
Patreon's brand is pretty bad now though. Too many people using it basically as welfare checks instead of to actually create something.

>>8039261
Did you miss the uproar when they got hacked some months back? They even had some leaks again pretty recently.

Is this thread for talking about our own fantasy writing too?

>>8039423
Sure. If you're just worldbuilding at this point, there's this thread on /tg/ which is much more likely to be of help:

>>>/tg/47251177

But if you've actually started writing, feel free to share and/or discuss.

Sci-fi always gives me a lonely feel because of the cold expense of space, while fantasy often feels more friendly. Any examples of spacefaring science fiction that manages to not feel cold or impersonal?

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>>8038725
Not the guy you replied to but, does it really get that bad?
I never read past Hyperion because I really liked its ending.

>>8039599
'Fall of Hyperion" is fine. It scratches the itch that Hyperion created. The Endymion books are awful, though.

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>>8039627
>you will never be a cute loli protected and carted around by a legendary awesome looking mass murdering monster who can farcast through time and space
>you will never teleport anywhere in space and time and annoy the fuck out of /m/ by spread the power of UNDERSTANDING and broadcast your message through the entire universe
>you will never be the child of legend who gets prophesised about and who has almost unrestricted access to predicting and deciding the future
>you will never give fucking speeches (and have the opportunity to insert meme tier scifi references to things like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy during them) that everyone hears and give authority figures the middle finger
>you will never have the opportunity to fly a fucking space ship with an AI that talks
>you will never be friends with a guy as cool as De Soya and get him to come around to your way of thinking
>you will never save the universe from a bunch of immortal despots as literal jesus and reveal tidbits of futures to the other characters
>you will never get to do hand to hand combat with a bunch of phase shifted killer AIs and win through the power of plot armour
>you will never just teleport the fuck out of your prison like a badass after blogging in a prison that's supposed to kill you after a randomly determined amount of time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw

How is the Dagger and Coin series by Daniel Abraham?

>>8037994
Because it ruins people intellectually and spiritually on a massive scale.
Also, the whole civilisation.
>>8037992
They are public.

Gavin lied to Kip about his powers, what should I think about that? Should I continue reading?

>>8039935
Andross pls.

>>8039948

I am become a beast I am become god.

Is New Sun worth it if I have no plans of re reading it? Everyone seems to be saying that it's almost an requirement to reread it to get it, which is kind of a turn off.

>>8038957
Revelation Space
Also Ringworld, but I haven't read that since I was a teenager.

>>8037737
sorry Anon, but I disagree so much. It even starts with the first book.
Many of these books, I would not recommend.
Furthermore this particular composition gives me the impression that you havent read all of them, which is generally not an optimal when you want to be able to recommend things.

>>8040020
By the time you finish it you'll want to read it again.

What do you guys think of Tad Williams' Series "Otherland"?
Does it not have on the charts? Why?

I grew up with his books and think they are good.

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>that part of Vacuum Diagrams where Paul has no body but is still somehow alive and is seeing the universe through quantum wave functions and you have no idea what the fuck is going on

>>8040102
That doesn't really help. I've never reread something and don't have any plans to.

>>8040259
Then don't plan to reread it at all.

>>8040280
What?

>>8040282
You heard me, bitch boy.

>>8040289
This wasn't me
>>8040282
You don't have to reread it and it doesn't need to be reread, but because of the almost biblical type of depth of the work, reading it again isn't a chore, but a joy.
Either case you can get information here on whatever you are interested in.

>>8039900
There's no such thing as spirit, and civilization is a spook.

>>8040371
Unless you are a Platonist, Aristotelian or a Christian, with which spirit and civilisation are well founded in the coherent axiomatic system.

>>8039267
>Too many people using it basically as welfare checks instead of to actually create something.
If this is the main problem, how, in your mind, does this threaten the existence of the site? Regardless, it just got another $30 million in funding in January, so it's not going anywhere for at least a couple of years.

>>8039213
That's a pretty low amount of money considering how extremely popular (and long) Worm is. Don't think you could replicate that.

>>8040382
>Unless you are a Platonist, Aristotelian or a Christian
Nope, the nonexistence of spirit is unaffected by you joining some club.

>>8040421
The existence of spirit is unaffected by denial of it.

>>8040422
True. But it happens to not exist regardless of what I think. Civilization at least exists as a level of analysis, though I reject the notion that I should care about it just because it exists in some sense.

>>8039895
>Daniel Abraham
It's shit, he likes to advertise that there is magic in his world, but you only get like 20(stretching it) max total of magic out of a 800 page book.

He likes politics intrigue and economics. If you like you books with as little magic as possible, then his books are for you.

>>8038908
39
Wolfe's short sun
Zelazny's Lord of Light
In reality something else by Wolfe like Fifth Head, but for variety let's put in Vance's Lyonesse or something by him.

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>>8040095

>>8040479
Magic is for faggots.

Women swept ALL the nebula writing awards. If they deserved to win, that is great. What are your thoughts?

>>8040492
I wish I was born with shit taste so I could enjoy even the biggest pile of poo like you. Or not.

>>8040491
Marc post your top 30 novels across all literature and if possible philosophy and the like so I can keep it in mind when choosing what to read next.
>>8040497
With all 100% certified authors from most of human history, I find it hard to invest time into contemporary works, unless they are nonfiction, dealing with contemporary questions.

>>8040498
Don't you have enough quality literature to enjoy anyway? It seems to me that exhausting quality works is impossible, unless you're 70 years old and have read 3-4k books.

>>8040498
I didn't say I liked tham all, a lot of them are pure shit. That's just my "library" to put it bluntly. That list needs updating by at least 100 books.

Anyone see how like the third year in a row all women won the Nebula awards? They need to start being inclusive of transgender males in their lists. Are inuits, pygmies, and pacific islanders represented? What a god damn joke, when the identity of the writer is more important than the book that is written so the pendulum of reparation can continue its overcompensation and keep on swinging. Bullshit. College admission is like this, too.

>>8040510
>I didn't say I liked tham all, a lot of them are pure shit.
But why are you choosing so much shit? It's not just one or three. There has to be a pattern here. Something about shit attracts you, is it the smell?

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>>8040497
>If they deserved to win
hahaha oh wow

>>8040497
Seems the puppies were right all along, though they need a few geniuses to counteract this identity politic bullshit.

>>8040511
Paying attention to awards is an indication that you need to commit suicide asap.

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Has anyone read the Engineer trilogy? how is it?

>>8040511
The best script award went to Mad Max, which was written by men

>>8040533
they will soon fix that mistake!

>>8040511
>Anyone see how like the third year in a row all women won the Nebula awards?

This is wrong too - Annihilation won best novel in 2014 (Jeff VanderMeer)

>>8040533
How was that even a good script? It's just a basic outline for crazy car chases without any artistic value.
>>8040531
The cover screams 'I'm shit'.

>>8040497
If Le Guin won anything, she probably deserved it. I don't know many other female speculative fiction authors, so I couldn't say

>>8040539
Doesn't matter what your shitty taste is, it still won and that other anon is full of shit (as usual with these degenerate types around here)

>>8040531
...rape of the lock?

The Hugos are supposed to be less SJW-y, right? The finalists were almost the same. Maybe these folks deserved to win?

>>8040539
The award was for presentation, not script. I haven't seen Mad Max, but I'm gonna guess that Ex Machina probably deserved it more

>>8040497
>deserved to win
>women
pick one.
Even Le Guin is shit
Anderson deserves an award before her

>>8040541
>If Le Guin won anything, she probably deserved it

it's you haven't read her later works, lol
her talent ended more than 20 years ago

>>8038380
>I do it because Im awesome

OH god no

>>8040545
That makes a lot of sense. It's a good movie, but not because of the script.

>>8040549
Kinda funny.
>be subtle about feminism and anarchism and write good novels
>start sperging feminism
>don't write a good novel in 3 decades

>>8040502
Okay
Solar cycle
Tristram shandy, sterne
Brothers karamazov/notes from the underground dostoevsky
Tom jones/shamela fielding (works best if you read pamela, ugh)
Complete stories of zelazny
Complete stories of borges
Complete stories of sturgeon
Divine comedy dante
Complete poems of keats
Poems of e e cummings
Vances dying earth/demon princes
Faulkner sanctuary/sound and the fury/complete stories
Complete stories of flannery oconnor
Delany's babel/dhalgren (before the descent into rampant porn)
Lafferty fourth mansions/nine hundred grandmother's
Avram davidson treasury
Dickens pickwick (i like the picaresque)
Lanark
Third Policeman/at swim two birds
To be honest I loved reading through the norton anthology of English Literature - so much good stuff from the faerie queen to the rape of the lock - you should read it. The american one is boring but you should hit the major figures and the secondary ones.
Proust's remembrance of things pas
You should read Joyce's ulysses at some point, then the illuminati trilogy for their riffs on it, but not high on the list.
Philosophy I dont enjoy as much as I generally alternate between might makes right and utilitarianism tempered by pity. Nietschze is good for a laugh in thus spake zarathustra but I can't stand Kant, honestly.
I read guys like pynchon, bolano, and david foster wallace and like them but they don't make my top lists. Dont have much patience for gabriel marcia marquez or le guinn, but she does some good stuff sometimes. I liked coover's Public Burning a fair amount. I found Gass's tunnel tedious, and tolstoy too conventional. War and peace and anna karenina are worth reading, but I much prefer pushkin or chekhov's short stories and gogol's dead souls.

Hope that is a start ...

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>>8040545
>Maybe these folks deserved to win?

are you even serious? they have sjw galore there

also since they gave hugo to an mlp fanfic (written by a vagina of course) i have no respect to those awards

right now those awards are the list of whom you shouldn't read

>>8040531
It has a slightly weak ending (or part of it, at least), but I'd say it's great regardless. It's typical Parker: cynical, dark humour, selfish characters and "realistic" (no magic or magical creatures of any kind).

>>8040539
because it doesnt have epic bros weilding swords with giant dragon gods in the back with a photoshop 4 look?

>>8040548
I read Lud-in-the-Mist by Mirrlees and The Dispossessed by Le Guin and both were pretty good IMO.

And I've heard good things about Ancillary Justice and CJ Cherryh. And the men won most of the other awards. It does seem odd though that it's so skewed now.

>>8040564
sounds great. Thanks Anon. Kinda bummed out that there is no magic but it sounds interesting nonetheless.

>>8040533
Scripts dont count - the tough armless chick in the movie won it for them. Movies? Fucking joke. I am talking about books and stories.

>>8037965
>something called "Safe Space as Rape Room"

I read most of this, it's one part interesting expose of some historical child sexual abuse cases within SF fandom to two parts probably actionable mudslinging.

One interesting claim made is that there is a strong correlation between being a chimo and Star Trek fandom. Claims the child protection division of San Francisco PD have a running joke about it, with altered Star Trek movie posters with officers' faces shopped in on their walls and stuff.

>>8038020
It means they put a list of works on their website so that their devotees know which works to vote for. The list of works is 'the slate' much like the POTUS + VP candidate + senatorial and/or congressional candidates = 'the ticket'.

>>8040518
I like certain things in my fantasy, if I find it, I read it. My type of autism makes me not able to leave a book unfinished, no matter how bad it is.

I've learnt what to avoid, but I've also found a few gems. Also you can't say something is shit if you haven't read it. That is why I might read certain books i might not have read on my own, give my opinion on it.

>>8040573
It's pretty slow-paced, so maybe not the most optimal place to start with KJP, but I hope you enjoy it!

KJP does also have some magic in the Fencer trilogy (very low key), and in the short stories/novellas (more present). IIRC it never manifests physically (by that I mean fireballs and the sort), but is more manipulation of people/events, or on the flashier side combusting someone.

>>8040579
I am going to break anonymity for a second. At file 770 i made a brief plea for my work to be judged on its own merit, a mistake, and fuckin' a they twisted everything I said to their narrative before turning on each other for using words like Psycho or crazy, getting triggered and coming out with all their mental illnesses and degeneracies. Sf and fantasy fandom is by and large a bunch of losers with real mental problems who turn the abuse and lack of acceptance they have experienced onto others. The vitriol and hate they have is real. They can proceed on their way to oblivion. Every one a transgender or trans-species inside because they hate nothing as much as what they are, unable to accept the reality of their lame and useless existence. Fandom has a giant hole inside them that they must fill with something, and pederasty seems as likely as any other outlet. Finally, someone weaker than them.

>>8040593
That's totally fine. I prefer more downtuned magic uses than fancy fireworks.

>>8040545
Were you the "robot love" anon that posted in the generals last year?

>>8040561
Did you read Gogolj's shorts? I think they are his best, better than Dead Souls, if anything because they are finished and have a greater range of style and subject.
I also didn't take you for a utilitarian (I hate it honestly, too far removed from the basic premises I work for and just distasteful).
I'll have to check out Vance and Delany this year, they, and Surgeon from your recommendations are what I've missed in essential sff classic thus far. Also I didn't know Delany descended into porn, I knew he was a fag, but I understood it wasn't central or at least not obnoxious.
I've read Dubliners and Portrait from Joyce, both of which were superb, but am somehow weary of Ulysses because of the length and difficulty.
I also didn't dive into American and English literature, almost at all, because it's culturally far away and doesn't seem like something I absolutely must read soon, but Sterne seems interesting.

>>8040601
We talking your Hugo nomination?
Or are you someone else? Because your work is from what I've read very non political.

What's a good "first epic fantasy series" that's already completed? I've already read Tolkien.

>>8040609
No, I joined these generals like a month or two ago. I used to be really into identity politics and while I do care about equality of opportunity and people not assuming that non-white males are retarded, I have gotten a bit more redpilled recently. That being said, I try to see it from the other point of view and give the benefit of the doubt.

I think "online SJWs" are almost as nonsensical as GGers, alt-rightists, etc

Sorry, I probably didn't need to elaborate.

>>8040625
First Law

>>8040615
My utilitarianism is reactionary. Now special interest groups that benefit the smallest of percentages dominate (the very very rich or the very very special cases, like the black-asian transgender and his or her restroom rights - a utilitarian doesnt have to worry about the absolute contentedness of outliers - what is good for the most people?) In practice I am a very kind fascist who doesnt believe in democracy. A benevolent and all powerful Godman is the best ruler, but he doesnt exist. Also, i dont respect a system that doesnt weight my opinion as vastly more important than these dysgenic reprobates which have been engendered upon the earth. My politics are odious - in real life I am a very kind person to everyone.

>>8040621
Yes my hugo nom. Even so i am hated online - guilt by association.

>>8040615
Yes i like his shorts too. pre 18th century english lit is really in the tradition of good fantasy literature, worthwhile. Stop at realism.

Is Gardens of the Moon a good place to begin getting into epic fantasy? I'm much more used to sword-and-sorcery stuff.

>>8040658
If you can get through the bad first book. It doesn't really matter where you "begin".

>>8040636
>My utilitarianism is reactionary. Now special interest groups that benefit the smallest of percentages dominate (the very very rich or the very very special cases, like the black-asian transgender and his or her restroom rights - a utilitarian doesnt have to worry about the absolute contentedness of outliers - what is good for the most people?)
I don't think that's necessary utilitarianism. A degree of pragmatism is certainly present in conservative political philosophy, and I'm not anglo so utilitarian philosophy is in my mind essentially related to denial of universals and wrong notions of scientific knowledge, hence the foundation of modern progressive ideology.
>In practice I am a very kind fascist who doesnt believe in democracy. A benevolent and all powerful Godman is the best ruler, but he doesnt exist.
In line of Hobbes maybe? Or more akin to Aquinas and Augustine who of course affirm importance of hierarchy and firmness, but also note importance of human dignity and personal virtue. Did you read their political writings? They are quite brilliant.
Also, another recommendation I think you'll love, Hilaire Belloc, Chesterton's best buddy and his superior in political thought.
>Also, i dont respect a system that doesnt weight my opinion as vastly more important than these dysgenic reprobates which have been engendered upon the earth. My politics are odious - in real life I am a very kind person to everyone.
I don't have a precognition that people who hold conservative values are somehow cold and disdainful. In public life here it's the exact opposite.
>>8040638
Is that why you come to this place, partially at least?
I guess your association isn't the best in terms of popularity amongst the masses, but should give you reach to a different one.
And your view on the fandom is interesting, does the degeneracy really run that deeply?

Is Weeks' Night Angel trilogy decent if I'm just looking for something fun?

>>8040661
I stopped after the first, it was horrible.
There were no redeeming qualities in it. I'm confused with the fact people willingly went into the second novel when it was published.

>>8036671
I disagree. Separating "fantasy" from "urban fantasy" is very important.

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>>8040681
It's separation into worthwhile novels and crap.

Also, life milestone reached, pic related.

>>8040670
Aquinas and Augustine, definitely. My politics are a bit skewed by the pragmatism you mention, sometimes contrapoised against my belief in the human spirit. Alas, i do think people can betray their human dignity and society, and as soon as they become a danger to society, or a burden, then it has something of a right to remove that burden. I am a huge narcissist with way, way more empathy than you would expect, making it certainly not a clinical case. My ideal ruler could make judgments I never could, for certainly I would spare anyone who showed some humanity, though ideally dangerous people would be removed quickly and cheaply, for they have forfeited their rights. But aside from spiritual equality, corporeal equality is a chimera and a lie.

I think the most vocal fan base is degenerate, but perhaps it is only an obvious percentage.

>>8040691
If the separation between genres is meaningless and expedient to no one, why does this thread exist?

>>8040670
I will check out belloc as soon as this project is done! 12 essays to finish, but 6 are halfway done.

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>>8040636
>i dont respect a system that doesnt weight my opinion as vastly more important than these dysgenic reprobates

>>8040701
To have one active thread instead of 10 ongoing ones with 10 replies each. We combined so many things which have nothing in common (Dick and Rothfuss) for sake of simplicity.
Maybe meaningless was a strong word.

>>8037826
I support this my lad, and hope you post it everytime

>>8040713
It's actually true. It's like protestantism versus Catholicism, any fool can have validity versus organization of educated and devoted persons.

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We need another thread, boyos.

>>8040748
You missed the point stupid.

>>8040786
here you go

>>8040799
>>8040799
>>8040799

>>8040802
Wow that was quick. Thanks, useful anon.

>>8040756
>It's actually true.

Oh, I'm sure it is. It's just that it's also edgy as fuck, and I just felt the need to acknowledge that.

>>8040479
Is it shit because the lack of magic? Or for other reasons?
Because I actually prefer my fantasy with low magic and I enjoy politics.

>>8037828
>SFFG