/sffg/ Sci-Fi Fantasy General, Tourist Edition

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C. S. Lewis' Space Trilogy.
Pretty good.

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I didn't like this one as much. Not as much tourism, and a large focus on orgiastic magic rituals.

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>/sffg/ is now taken over by the same elitist that tried to get rid of us
>only difference is they post old as fuck books that are dry and boring
>they then shit on you for posting living/fun authors
I want main /lit/ to leave and go back to circle jerking about dfw

>>7981315
Go back to /a/, you mental midget.

>>7981293
I miss the cheesy rhetorical questions on SF covers

>>7981315
I'm unaware of any newer books in this style. Suggestions of same from your experience would be gratefully accepted.

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>>7981331
The wolfefag and his compadres shut down any discussing that is not about dead authors, or old dusty authors who are in their 70's.

They then call you reddit for disagreeing with then, then goes to further shit up our general with books no one wants to read.

What you guys don't understand that this is a deep layer infiltration.
They will talk about boring shit books, and people that are actually interest in fantasy will leave because we aren't discussing real fantasy, just magical realism or speculation. if they keep this up for a few months the general will die on it's own because no one comes here anymore.

That would be game over. Lit likes to play the slow game, throw in a sleeper cell and kill us off at the right time, just like the Americlaps did with the natives and the smallpox blankets.

>>7981378
Sanderson is much better than Jordan at this point desu

>>7981315
Guy who literally started these threads here.

They've always been for having elitist discussions about SFF. The /tg/ and /v/ crowd came later and niggered the threads up with Sanderson and Jordan.

>>7981365
>They will talk about boring shit books
Hey kid, have you ever actually tried reading one of these "old dusty books"? They are highly praised for a reason. You sound like an autistic child that throws a fit when his parents take him to see "The Godfather", because he only wants to see "The Force Awakens" over and over.

66 days until The Great Ordeal

Are you hyped yet?

>>7981365
>discussing that is not about dead authors, or old dusty authors who are in their 70's.
There are far more SFF books written by dead/septuagenarian authors than our contemporaries. It stands to reason that these would often make an appearance.
>They then call you reddit for disagreeing
That is their own problem. Just ignore such shrewish prattle.

You seem a bit paranoid my strange equestrian friend.

>>7981395
Is it some trash epic fantasy because if so no.

>>7981382
>anyone who likes Sanderson is /v/, /tg/ or reddit

And I'm the guy who used to bump(samefag) it from page 10 when no one was discussing, I started arguing/shitposting just to get ppl to reply and the thread to bump by it self.

Lo and behold, months later thread stays off page 10 by it self.


>They've always been for having elitist discussions about SFF.
Yea, that is why for months we had lit shitting up our threads.
It's only now that e/lit/ist are posting in the threads that they don't shit it up anymore.

Do you any of you guys write? Whats your stuff like?

>>7981412
Bakker writes much better than dusty memes like Vance, Eddison, Anderson etc. (the usual suspects)

>>7981418
WTF? Is English not your first language or something? You're not making any sense.

>A Voyage to Arcturus by David Lindsey

If you haven't read this, I'd request you give it a try. I haven't read anything like it, ever, and I can see how Bloom loved it - it's a bit of fantasy, but it doesn't have any of the classic tropes, it's a bit of SF, but not much, but it's mostly philosophy that you can interpret in myriad ways.

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Any fantasy out there involving large trucks and/or heavy construction equipment? Bonus if it's secondary world.

>>7981422
I'm working on a novel involving large trucks and heavy construction equipment in a secondary world. My prose sucks though and I have a hard time practicing enough to improve it now, because I have to read everything I write and I'd rather read something better.

>>7981412
I'd say it's one of, if not the best current epic fantasy series

Anybody read Fall of Light yet? How was it?

>>7981394
>kid
I'm 26, I know I am a kid compared to you grandpa(you're that 52 year old right? Would explain why you have a fear for anything new), but I did read those "dusty books".

Unlike most of lit, I read shit before I criticize it. Why shit on something that I never read?(like how yall shit on Sanderson and haven't even touched it, just parrot word for word what someone else wrote).
Tolkien is shit, Vance is Shit, Delany is shit, i like Gene wolfe but his stuff isn't my cup of tea. I like Clarke. The mouser fagget is shit. etc
From reading those I'm not touching the rest of your recommendations because half of it is already shit.

Stop trying to be hip grandpa and go play with your academia buddies, just because we don't share your shit tastes means you have to force them on us.

>>7981440
A blonde visits a doctor. She tells him, "Doctor, I don't know what's wrong with me. Everywhere I touch hurts." She touches her leg. "Ow." Touches her head. "Ow." Touches her arm. "Ow." Doctor says, "Your finger's broken."

>>7981448
This is a really nice example of someone finding a solution by redefining the problem

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>>7981436
Roger Zelazny's Damnation Alley has cool truck thing. They even made a movie.

>>7981440
Look here you tremendous colossal bronze-plated monument to faggotry, I'm your age and your taste is horrible. Tolkien is amazing. Vance is excellent. Wolfe is a magician. And I like Sanderson, too. I've read most of his books and liked them a lot. He's not on their level. He could be, someday, he's a hard-working man and he keeps looking for things to improve, with our luck and his crowd he'll keep writing bad prose and make his cast more diverse, but whatever. There's a reason we talk about H.P. Lovecraft but we don't talk about August Derleth, and time has not yet separated our Lovecrafts and Derleths.

And stop talking like you represent all millennials. That's incredibly annoying.

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>>7981440
No offense, but you seem a bit slow.

>>7981462
Oh, yeah, I read the novella when I was a kid. I heard the novelization wasn't that great, and I believe it after Dream Master. I've got to look it up again.

>>7981438
If I ever feel like some epic fantasy I'll try Bakker or Erikson, they seem to be the ones doing the most interesting things with it.

>>7981462
In a just world there'd be a Mad Max crossover.

>>7981422
i was writing magical realism, switched to YA fantasy, and i'm realizing my writing is too complicated for YA. anyway i'm character and prose heavy and i'm working with norse myths. my obvious influences are zelazny, lloyd alexander, tolkien.

>>7981464
Clark Ashton Smith was arguably a better writer than Lovecraft but hardly gets mentioned here

>>7981464
>I'm your age and your taste is horrible. Tolkien is amazing. Vance is excellent.
Because you are like a poor kid who comes into money, you watch what people with "class"(e/lit/ist) do and try to imitate it.

It's not your fault anon, I fell for the "they are better than you" meme once too.

>There's a reason we talk about H.P. Lovecraft
Because he is /pol/ and their asian fetish rolled into one?
Hates blacks and squids.

>>7981480
He's a better writer, but his worldbuilding and plots are shit, reading him feels like someone really gifted writing D&D campaigns, with all those magicians with names starting in X having magical battles in forgotten dungeons

>>7981464
woah woah woah...

where did the diversity bit come from?

>>7981486
Yeah, I totally fell for the meme when I read LotR three times before I was 14. When Dragon Masters rocked my socks before I ever came to /lit/, I was just being influenced by their patrician waves from a distance.

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>>7981470
I enjoyed the novella recently. Got the novel as well, but haven't read it yet. The landmaster they made for the movie was GOAT.

>>7981436
That sounds pretty comfy, I'd check it out.

I can relate with the reading habits. I always try to read something on a higher level than I write.

My stuff is set in a sci-fi world I've been developing, lots of short stories hitting different angles of the setting. Some are written like memoirs, others mystery or horror, poetry, etc.

The main work is something like an epic, in that it has the most impact on the setting (whereas the other stories merely happen within it), but I intend for it to have no more than 2 books if I can help it.

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>>7981468
I am, we are on 4chan after all.
Everyone who is here has some minor form of OCD or autism, and if you have neither
Get Out.

That is why we blow up when people dislike our likes, and likes our dislikes. If we were sane human beings, we wouldn't give a shit what some cunt was reading. Why wait energy when I got better shit to do?


Pic for you anon >>7981436

>>7981496
Those tri-star wheels, man. Is there anything like that in real life? I know dollies and trailers use them sometimes.

>>7981500
I love that sort of thing, a lot of angles on one story. Some day I want to write something like World War Z.

>>7981492
I listen to his podcast with the Schlock Mercenary guy. They've got Mary Robinette Kowal on there now to bring up "oh no that's cultural appropriation!" once an episode and do nothing else.

>>7981505
The difference is between a sinner saying, "It's my nature," and freely sinning, and a sinner saying, "I want to change my nature," and doing what he can to cover it up. We all want to eviscerate each other in our nerd rage, but by acting nice we reinforce nice behavior, which forms a feedback loop that eventually enables us to leave our basements and maybe someday smile at a stranger.

>>7981505
>Everyone who is here has some minor form of OCD or autism
I'm talking raw IQ, not personality disorders. You just don't seem very bright, to put it mildly.

By the way, what is your native language?

>>7981494
Glad we agree anon. Because When I tried to read that Lord of the Shits when I was younger I went and punched my friend for telling me to read it. I liked the Hobbit though. Gonna give him that.

>>7981422
I only write fanfiction. I want to read more about certain characters and new plots in-universe. It seems silly to me that characters cease to exist just because you close the book and it would be interesting to see them in different contexts - eg hard scifi instead of fantasy - for example.

Of course I have plenty of ideas for original stories too but my characters live out there lives in the plot in my head as they have for many years.

>>7981521
plebe

>>7981522
*their

Anyone read Abercrombie's short story compilation yet?

>>7981522
>It seems silly to me that characters cease to exist just because you close the book and it would be interesting to see them in different contexts - eg hard scifi instead of fantasy - for example.

Flann O'Brien had a very similar argumentation as to why he often re-used characters from his own and other authors' works

>>7981522
I can't convince myself to immerse in fanfic. It just seems a little dirty, a little shaky maybe, like there is one true window into that world and if the author hasn't at least approved it it's not real. Needless to say I hated The Force Awakens.

>>7981521
gb2/goodreads/

>>7981505
Not him, but OCD and autism aren't the same as being slow. Hell, most people with aspergers are smarter than average, albeit really lopsided in terms of individual skills. I can understand quantum physics, pick up programming languages in minutes, compose complex recipes off the top of my head and store entire libraries of trivia in my mind, but at the same time I have no short-term memory or basic social skills and am musically retarded and physically uncoordinated

>>7981522
I used to diss fanfiction but it actually can be a good exercise for understanding and managing characters. Sometimes I like to imagine my own characters interacting with some from different settings and wonder what would happen.

>>7981471
>Erikson
>doing interesting things
I see you've fallen for the same trap.

It's a decent series, but it has a lot more problems than people would have you think, and Erikson's atrociously clunky prose takes the impact out of what should be epic and emotional scenes.

>>7981522
>It seems silly to me that characters cease to exist just because you close the book and it would be interesting to see them in different contexts - eg hard scifi instead of fantasy - for example.
John C. Wright did that in the courtroom scene in - oh, one of his Golden Age books. It even had an in-universe explanation.

>>7981534
>you will never be a Golden Age comic book writer collaborating with other writers across a smoke-filled office to make your ridiculous crossovers

>>7981516
>Those tri-star wheels, man. Is there anything like that in real life? I know dollies and trailers use them sometimes.
I actually saw an SUV fitted up with those before I'd seen the movie/read the book. It was at some kind of convention. I believe it was being showcased by a vendor selling them as wheel replacements.

>>7981533
>tfw social
I just want to adopt some of you guys, you sound so adorable. No homo.

>>7981518
>IQ,
>falling for the IQ meme
All that shows is that you can memorize
Remembering something, and putting it to use by modifying it for a project are two different things.

Throw an IQ test my way, bet I pass it flying.

>By the way, what is your native language?
I don't see anything wrong with how I type. Is it the punctuation marks?
I was brought up using Bong English, but I understand and sometimes use Klapitani English.... so sometimes they intersect.

>>7981540
I love neat things like that that don't show up on the internet. I wish I had an old automotive engineer around I could quiz for my truck designs. Would /o/ try to help or would they just meme me? I don't trust /tg/.

>>7981315
>/sffg/ is now taken over by the same elitist that tried to get rid of us
Was here from the start and I do want to get rid of you people with shit taste who can't admit that certain books are really shit even if you enjoy them.
>only difference is they post old as fuck books that are dry and boring
40 years isn't old as fuck you mongoloid scum.
This is a fucking literature board where most writers to of quality are dead or on deathbeds because reading is something that requires attention and established authors are usually people who have been around for a while.
And boring is probably the most retarded thing to say, you brainless /v/irgin. Go play fucking video games, it's what you really want. Honestly, why do you keep coming and shitting up these threads? If you know we are here, in solid numbers and bitch about how people actually care about art in sff, go to another fucking board. Le world building and all the authors you like are discussed to death there and on every other fucking book forum. There's 20 other places for retards like you are to go, but only one for people with taste for people over 13.
Take your Abercrombie and Jordan elsewhere if you can't stand the idea that there are people who rightfully call them shit.
>>they then shit on you for posting living/fun authors
Who cares about them being alive? I shito on you because their writing is incredibly horrible and the very fact that you find literal pulp which was birth as literal mass entertainment (of course some of it has had a lot of quality and is discussed here, most has died with time) as boring is quite indicative of you being a general Bernie voting millennial.
>I want main /lit/ to leave and go back to circle jerking about dfw
I don't care about dfw and you can fuck off to some pleb board and leave us old boring people discuss our dead authors while you sip starbucks coffee and discuss Bernie and Jordan with your circle of retarded friends.
>>7981382
And this is actually what happened.
But I'm happy that we are getting some new quality authors shitposted, John C. Wright was a solid discovery. GKK shill will probably get me around Tigana in the coming months.

>>7981440
>Unlike most of lit, I read shit before I criticize it.
>>7981521
>Because When I tried to read that Lord of the Shits when I was younger I went and punched my friend for telling me to read it.
You're wondering why we think you have low IQ?

>>7981531
>gb2/goodreads/
I never watched any of the movies, and never will. That shit don't interest me, but i will enjoy goodreads.

/lit/ suggested it to me in 2011 when I kept pestering them for fantasy recs, never regretted it.
Keeps track of all my books, and reminds me when shit i want to read comes out.

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>>7981548
>But I'm happy that we are getting some new quality authors shitposted, John C. Wright was a solid discovery.
This warms my stoney ole' heart, anon, truly.

>>7981543
>I was brought up using Bong English, but I understand and sometimes use Klapitani English.... so sometimes they intersect.
I have no idea what any of that means.

In general, your posts have been unintelligible garbage. Whether that is attributable to natively "low IQ" or to some kind a head injury is, I suppose, nobody's business but your own.

>>7981550
I also read Lotr when I was 14 and didn't get anything, but came back to Tolkien last year with Children of Hurin and Silmarillion and was blown away.
CoH is one of the most basic stories out there but captures all the depth of Greek tragedies while having captivating language that carries more with less. It's really one of the most unique works of the century.

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>>7981548
>>7981557
A tip o' the cap to you, my fine Wright Brothers! (see what I did there?)

>>7981531
>The Force Awakens
Man that was shit and a clear cash grab because too many plot elements were reused. On the other hand, if it had tried to avoid using all the previous plot points and tried to create something new and perhaps a little harder in terms of scifi I feel that the movie could have created something unique.

I think, also in terms of some long running fandoms, a good proportion of fan authors also end up penning novels as part of that universe. And others who go onto pen their own novels have certain preferences in terms of plot and character, which they only conceived of because they were being influenced by their favourite writers.

I was reading Hyperion, for example and found the number of references to Vance quite amusing but on the other hand it is an interesting to consider all authors as taking their influences from someone. And if they have multiple influences, it can be quite difficult to pinpoint whether or not their work is in fact fanfiction if they are inspired by so many sources and also do their own research.

Top 5 Sci first short stories that I could turn into a short film on a tight budget ?

Careful, guys, we keep him engaged much longer and he's a meme. We haven't had any of the you-know-what from the last two threads, let's try not to get imitators on low-IQ-kun. We can meme instead... Tingleposting? Getting HARD with buds? no... uh... gay rape and incest? That was never good.

Malazan Book of the Fallen being good! Let's shill that for a while.

Wright is a monkey at a typewriter trying to produce the next Wolfe.

>>7981550
>if you don't like Tolkien you are double digits IQ
Ok anon. You got me. Gonna marry my cousin and pledge allegiance to the Confederate Flag.

>>7981565
>>7981557
His blog is actually pretty fedora. I mean I'm a Catholic, I prayed two hours of Rosario yesterday, but he's the right view wrong way to reach it kind of guy in many of his posts, especially the sjw and hugo.

>>7981574
He had a long sperg-out about Korrasami and has a little feud going with Scott Lynch

Funny guy

>>7981545
>Would /o/ try to help or would they just meme me?
I dunno man, can only fasten/unfasten things with a wrench myself. Good luck on your project.

>>7981559
Lel
It's meme speak.
I use British English and American English
Also, Hi Grandpa.

I used to love LOTR. I don't like it now. When I was a child, the plot and the characters felt so unique and vivid to me and the sense of danger so frightening and realistic. Now that I am an adult I can only criticise my taste when I was younger and recall how the morality was handled purely in terms of black and white justice. I found, in retrospect, that the number of fantasy elements were cliched and hackneyed and that the plot was not sophisticated, as I had thought, but a simple and straightforward tale that was too overused to be orgiinal.

As I child I always found Tom Bombadil to be a bizarre and off topic introduction to his works and now I can name that phenomenon -- 'jumping the shark'.

>>7981568
Fifth Head of Cerberus by Wolfe can be shot in one setpiece, Minority Report in 2-3.
But I didn't read many so my recommendation pool is not very big.
>>7981572
The sad thing is that you are a liberal equivalent of that person, with him at least standing for something.
>>7981570
There's a lot of Wolfe in how he weaves his plot, but he's never going to get there. He's top tier entertainment and put a lot of good work into it, but he doesn't have the whatever made Wolfe into the genius he is.

>>7981568
Asimov - BLANK
Asimov - Machine That Won the War
Asimov - Insert Knob A In Hole B
Asimov - Strikebreaker
Asimov - The Immortal Bard

Your verdict on ASOIAF?

>>7981583
I don't know this pasta.

>>7981591
Its functional, the show is glorified fanfiction.

In both cases people take it way too seriously. Since its more mainstream people will find reasons to shit on it one way or another.

>>7981574
You can't hate him for it, though. You can tell his heart's in the right place. I see him as the herald of the return of pre-Sword of Shannara fantasy - not the return itself, but the man who invites better authors to do so.

>>7981591
I really hated it. I felt there were far too many POVs which detracted from the plot the instant that the book became interesting. I also disliked the prose and found it bland and thought that the sexual content was blatant fanserverice which only existed so that illiterate idiots could find something to jerk off to.

>>7981591
It's not very good, but has certain qualities nonetheless. The prose is awful, but the characters are solid and the plot used to be good (by now it's drawn out and the whole thing suffers with a lack of inspiration, editors fucked him up it should have been 3-4 books)

>>7981583
Sure, but Tolkien is Cervantes compared with Brandon Sanderson.

>>7981600
Well his books are what I read him for. For all I care he could be a black homosexual Hillary shill Muslim transwoman with all the negative things going with these. I read his novels and his persona isn't equated with the novels. I didn't read enough of him to with certainty see how much of him seeps into the novels, but it seems that he keeps it subtle. Finishing last 20 pages of The Phoenix Exultant right now.

>>7981591
Airport fantasy, claims to be 'medieval' but isn't.

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>>7981583
>pure black and white justice in LOTR
>cliched fantasy elements when it invented them
Wait. Are you judging your childhood love of the book by your adult experience with the movie? Because they're two different things. But a fantasy quest where the party splits and tries to kill each other, and the Chosen One gets right up to the credits screen and fails, that's not cliche.

I bet you don't even read Kalevala in Finnish, loser.

People who think Tolkien is "black and white" haven't read the Silmarillion

>>7981608
It got worse with his new publisher. I tried to read Somewhither but he desperately needed paragraphs and paragraphs red-penned, and I did read Iron Chamber of Memory and I did really like it but it could have been so much better if someone had laid a hand on his shoulder and said, "Make that more subtle, John. Make it a much more subtle."

>>7981584
I'm not Americlap.
How the fuck can I be a liberal?
Not everyone who posts here is a fucking burger lover.

>>7981610
I don't really enjoy watching movies so I have never watched them.

>>7981606
Someone should really fuse Sanderson writings with someone else.

>>7981613
They haven't read Lord of the Rings.
>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that think they understand LotR but don't know that Gollum ate babies

where to stop with the dune series?

>>7981615
that has got to be the single stupidest post I have ever read on this site.

I should go to bed and not wake up

>>7981619
After book 1, or after book 3 if you have nothing else to read

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>>7981617
>mfw his grandma kicked him out the house for being a theif

>>7981619
The first sentence

>>7981614
Tell him that on the blog, he's pretty active there.
>>7981620
save me.jpg

>>7981610
>anime poster
>>>/a/
GET OUT TO /G/ OR /A/ YOU FUCKING ANIME POSTING FAGGET

Your pick for Hugo best novel?

>>7981629
I'm hoping for Between Light and Shadow t b h but it's not going to win

>>7981629
Absolutely Seveneves not even a contest. It might have done some things wrong but it was really, really good and history will vindicate me on this.

>>7981617
wat O_O

>>7981629
Seveneves, I guess. Though I didn't particularly like it.

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>>7981619
I have just the chart for you my man.

Personally, I stopped after Dune Messiah, which was actually better than Dune and left me feeling pretty good about the series overall. I probably won't ever return to it, there's too much good stuff in the world to read than to bother with a series that's half trash.

>>7981622
And he went, he didn't try to stick around to rape the maids.

>>7981637
>The Woodmen said that there was some new terror abroad, a ghost that drank blood. It climbed trees to find nests; it crept into holes to find the young; it slipped through windows to find cradles.

And they almost redeem the guy. And then he saves the world.

>>7981629
Fifth Season, it's about time a black writer won.

>>7981636
Seveneves was pretty good, but not at Anathem level. Of course, there's no other choice this year.

>>7981568
You can't really turn it into a short story but fuck is 'The Nine Billion Names of God' amazing.

>>7981646
Neil Degrasse Tyson was a lot stronger of a character than Erasmus, and there was this atmosphere of urgent boredom and impending doom that was better than anything else in Stephenson. It should have ended before the future chapters though.

>>7981649
Joe Haldeman wrote a short story where something happened that made all the stars go out, but we only start finding out four and a half years later. It's from the viewpoint of a janitor in an observatory, can't remember the title. That one would make a good short film.

>>7981584
>>7981615
>liberal
This word triggers me, pol should leave.

>>7981586
i'll see your asimov and raise you a Heinlein- The Man Who Sold The Moon

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Any books where they talk about the increased capacity of harddrives?

>>7981670
Is that as easy to make with a couple of friends and a camcorder?

>>7981676
it's about a guy who raises money to fund the first trip to the moon

so yes

>>7981675
Golden Age

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>>7981676
Just dress up in a suit, show someone a contract, pass over Money and BOOM, end of film.

>>7981646
>Golden Son didn't get nominated
It really was the best novel, YA aside. Has anyone else here even read it? It was a total blast start to finish, best of the best of the wearing cloaks on starship bridges and dueling mofos on tables during banquets with space swords-genre.

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>GRRM has good prose

>>7981719
I think he's going for Song of Solomon reference, and it is a striking passage, but "her pubes was" is unforgivable.

>>7981719
Maybe it's ironic that Spikenard can think only in romantic clichés.

What is better than ASoIaF?

>>7981747
LeGuin and Hobb are NOT

>>7981726
>>7981719
if this isn't real, i'd guess this was a parody.

>>7981751
Hello friend, I see you are busy trying to make my post about women authors into a meme.

>>7981719
Not GRRM. That's Bronwyn, by Ron Miller.

>>7981755
"Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew".
"all she could do was stand there, fevered and bleeding".
"Those afflicted by the pale mare were always thirsty, drinking gallons between their shits".

10/10 no wonder it got turned into a high budget HBO show

>>7981764
The shitshow before the shit show, as it were.

>>7981747
Bakker

>>7981764
This is why accurate descriptions are not necessarily good literature.

>>7981764
>le bodily functions are gross meme

Consider poison, my man.

>My love for you allows me to pray to the spirit of eternal beauty and tenderness mirrored in your eyes or fling you down under me on that softy belly of yours and fuck you up behind, like a hog riding a sow, glorying in the very stink and sweat that rises from your arse, glorying in the open shape of your upturned dress and white girlish drawers and in the confusion of your flushed cheeks and tangled hair. It allows me to burst into tears of pity and love at some slight word, to tremble with love for you at the sounding of some chord or cadence of music or to lie heads and tails with you feeling your fingers fondling and tickling my ballocks or stuck up in me behind and your hot lips sucking off my cock while my head is wedged in between your fat thighs, my hands clutching the round cushions of your bum and my tongue licking ravenously up your rank red cunt. I have taught you almost to swoon at the hearing of my voice singing or murmuring to your soul the passion and sorrow and mystery of life and at the same time have taught you to make filthy signs to me with your lips and tongue, to provoke me by obscene touches and noises, and even to do in my presence the most shameful and filthy act of the body. You remember the day you pulled up your clothes and let me lie under you looking up at you while you did it? Then you were ashamed even to meet my eyes.

>You are mine, darling, mine! I love you. All I have written above is only a moment or two of brutal madness. The last drop of seed has hardly been squirted up your cunt before it is over and my true love for you, the love of my verses, the love of my eyes for your strange luring eyes, comes blowing over my soul like a wind of spices. My prick is still hot and stiff and quivering from the last brutal drive it has given you when a faint hymn is heard rising in tender pitiful worship of you from the dim cloisters of my heart.

>>7981776
It's almost like I'm on fanfiction.net.

>>7981776
did anyone ever think asoiaf was good?

>>7981779
>I am so blunderingly stupid that I can't differentiate between the greatest writer of the 20th century, James Joyce, and a professional doughnut tester/part-time author

http://loveletters.tribe.net/thread/fce72385-b146-4bf2-9d2e-0dfa6ac7142d

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Just read this, one of the most original feeling SF novels to me in a while. Check it out if you like Clarke

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>>7981800
Like I'm going to look up the source on that.

>>7981806
>posting on lit without being able to recognize Joyce's smut on sight

Lurk more

>>7981810
Fucking newfags from pleb boards revealed themselves

>>7981800
Those are his private letters, dumbshit. Not exactly great literature.

>>7981824
Gurm isn't striving to write great literature, either.

Just finished the High Crusade. It was a fun read all the way through. Is there anything else like it?

>>7981829
Well, then he is succeeding.

>>7981800
>>7981776
>be acclaimed author
>die
>after your death, your most intimate fantasies and personal correspondence with the woman you love are made public
Honestly, there are things that should be kept private, as funny as it might be to read some author swooning about the rank smell coming from his lover's arse.

>>7981776
Just because Joyce does it, doesn't mean it's good.

>>7981838
Fuck yeah the High Crusade! Alas, I haven't really found anything similar to it yet.

>>7981871
That's really a shame. It's truly one of the most pleasant reads I've had in quite a while.

So I don't know how many of you have heard, but the Wheel of Time TV adaptation has been greenlit.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-wheel-of-time-is-going-to-be-a-tv-series-after-all-1773693457

I know a lot of you don't like the series, but I want you to consider something. Take all the stuff in WoT, then release it into the modern political scene where everything is misogynist and everyone is Literally Hitler.

In other words, prepare your popcorn. Dis gon be gud.

>>7982058
Will almost certainly be shit. At least it's a TV series and not a movie though.

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What are some good books about goblins?

>>7982120
Your diary?

>>7982120
The Goblin Emperor

>>7981548
>GGK shill
I think there are two of us actually, but start with Lions of Al-Rassan. It's better than Tigana.

Why are there so few good fantasy books with strong MAGIC?
Magic shit like Magicians or Mistborn kind of shit you know, everything is written by meme authors or women or "diversity is strength" faggots

>>7982193

To clarify I don't mean BOOKS like mistborn or magicians but MAGIC SHIT like those found in there

>>7981422

It's like jack vance took too much acid.

I'm afraid to show it to anyone because they'll either think I'm insane or tell me to become a stand up comic.

>>7982196
>>7982193
Are you aware of the term "chuuni"? I think you might like visual novels like Fate/stay night if you're willing to step out of your comfort zone.

>>7981422
>Whats your stuff like?

Garbage.

I write ~200 page novels and I don't revise them so I shit them out pretty fast
I write them so I could come back to them a year later, having forgotten everything I wrote and it will seem like a new experience.
But they're still garbage

>>7981440

Despite reading your lengthy ass blasted post in its entireity, I still fail see the logic of any arguement presented therein.

>>7981462
I don't know whether to eat you or kiss you, you crazy car

>>7982131
Well there usually are more than one for most shilled stuff, shilling alone ain't easy.
I'll probably listen to the audiobook so it'll depend on the seeds.

Who ever suggested Dhalgren go fuck yourself with a spiked dildo.

NOTHING HAPPENS
I could have read so many other good books in the time I read this.

>Le Guin is supposed to be the best female author out there
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea
>young-adult fiction
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>7982354
I know what you mean. I shill women authors so the one grill in this thread would envelope me with her velvet wet walls, but it's not working... I guess I haven't got her juices running enough.

>>7982367
but the best is virginia woolf

>>7981634
that's in the related works category. Yeah I assess its chances very low. The vilification of the author at file 770 is crass, highlighting what Aramini has known all along: he who builds on the common people builds on mud. They do not understand Aramini cares not for SF in general, but for the name of Wolfe to be revered and for his work to be appreciated as it is - far beyond the comprehension of these pathetic and inutile worms. Of course, his secondary goal is narcissistic.

I am reminded of General Fujita's speech (subtitled vesion was better) in Fist of Legend, to paraphrase: What do you know about Bushido? It is to do what must be done, no matter the consequences. even if one's name is besmirched and he is branded as a villain throughout history.

The irony of Aramini winning a democratic award would be too powerful for this world - no doubt it would immediately implode.

Shilling ain't easy but it sure is fun

Where do you guys buy cheap (e)books?

>>7981797
thats not asoiaf LMFAO

>>7982410
>buy
>ebooks
nice joke

for physicals, used on ebay

>>7982378
That's a weird way to spell Flannery O'Connor

>>7982509
>Christian "realism"
HAHAHAHAHAAHA

Oh fplease fuck off there has been only 1 good female author ever.

Ayn Rand

>>7982366
It's a book written by a black, about cucking and being cucked. What you expect?

>>7982366
It's important to get a second opinion here, chances of a pleb saying something and you taking the bait are pretty big without some kind of a filter.

>>7982408
Shilling is easy, but life is hard. It'll leave you physically, emotionally and mentally scarred.

>>7982607
I know what you mean some cunts tried to shill me Conan. I was like you real senpai?

Fucking plebs shitting up our general with their pulp. Then they have the gall to call it good.

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Reminder.

>>7982651
Lord of the Rings is similar to Dark Souls.
>traipsing through abandoned structures that are really too big
>meeting weird people who give you cryptic hints
>impossible boss battles
>sense of melancholy and loss
>sudden, abrupt end to the quest when the last flame is reached

>>7982651
You actually spent time making this? Are you 12?

>>7982677
are you?

>>7982693
I'm not the one who actually spends time making retarded meme pictures.

>>7982677
And you are fucking new. This shit is old... always right.

The last thread had someone asking about berserk again.

>>7982651
I agree with the image that women authors are memes.
They're always shit and overrated.

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Alright, y'all memed me into the first three Malazan books (Gardens of the Moon hardback has original cover :3). Also picked up first three Sword of Shadows books (anyone here read J. V. Jones? I grabbed at random) for the womemes. Plus the usual crate of dusty old books for my backlog.

>>7981422

Meandering novels that read like Andrew Hussie got high on coke and scribbled out a precis while fellating Douglas Adams and then later John Green wrote up the finished book while wearing a fedora and vaping.

I also do some stories on tumblr in an overwritten style that gets me a lot of accusations of pretension.

>>7981436
>I have to read everything I write and I'd rather read something better.
this is a beautiful summery of why editing yourself is so goddamn hard.

>>7981564
A friend gave me Coh about three months ago but I was still traumatized from reading LotR at 12-13, and wasn't sure if I should read it.
having read I am now actually curious about it.

>>7981568
"They're made out of meat" was already made, and it's great.
"On mars without Hilda" (or something like that) by asimov would be awesome as a short.

>>7981535
I love Eriksson. But it does feel like a combination of short stories, but it is an incredible journey that I would suggest everybody should attempt.

>>7983011
Its a pretty good series

https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B4WH_VOLwJMbYjVhYTcyNTQtN2Q2ZS00YzA5LWJiNmMtNGRiNDM5MDU3NWY2#list

Free books

Patricia McKillip's Riddle Master is really well written (this goes to the anti-women fags here)

>>7983161
Fantasy without any fantastic. 'Riddles' without any riddles! More accurately, what here is described as riddle-figuring is actually history/mythology research. But I guess that 'The Primary-and-Secondary-Document Seeker of Hed' doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Characters should be great by what they do. I don't want to be told how clever and destined-for-great-things a character is- I want to be shown it without the bells and whistles. Unfortunately, only a bit more than nothing occurs here. Obviously the story is intended to be continued in further books, but I'm not sticking around to find out.

Which isn't to say research can't be interesting. It's just not this way full of cheap twists (amnesia!) that don't go anywhere and slow, ponderous meetings of your protypical boring caucasian male societies.

McKillip created a world of lyrically magic beauty and passionately motivated people in The Forgotten Beasts of Eld- and doesn't show any of that skill here.

White men forming societies to control the dispensation of knowledge- keeping it to their own and making it mystical and unusable. Why am I not surprised or interested? Unfinishable. Rating: 0.5/5 stars

>>7983150
all books are free

>>7983187
I fucking hate goodreads

Link doesn't work >>7983150

>>7983161
>Young Adult
lol

>>7983054
Lotr is not written for young people and it's really a mistake most of us made. It's much deeper than the movies and it's much more based on Catholic ideals than coolness or whatever.

>>7982701
Am i the only one who liked Marion Zimmer Bradley here?

Of fantasy authors, the might the only one i liked everything i read of, albeit none of it was really exceptional.

>>7983238
>It's much deeper than the movies and it's much more based on Catholic ideals than coolness or whatever.
You sound like one of those twerps in the Neon Genesis Evangelion thread.

Sure, LOTR was a great artistic achievement, but let's not get carried away here.

>>7983338
Comparing the mastermind that is Anno to Tolkshit should be a crime punishable by death.

>>7983338
It's a known fact that LOTR is written through the lense of christian ideology.

>>7983345
Weak bait.

>>7983354
>It's a known fact that LOTR is written through the lense of christian ideology.
That doesn't make it any deeper.

>>7983354

Who gives a fuck.

LOTR is a great story, but by no means the best. Tolkien isn't the best writer and LOTR isn't the best of Tolkien's writing.

LOTR is the gold standard of what fantasy should be, but it doesn't deserve fanboys, and doesn't hold any type of deeper meaning. It's a wistful longingful attempt to write a modern saga, and it does a good job at it.

It merits no further discussion. You don't need to defend it, because it's universally recognized as a classic. You don't need to attack it, because only a fucking retard wouldn't like it.

>>7983389
>because only a fucking retard wouldn't like it.
lol

Does anyone know good resources on how to have good plotting in one's writing?

Beautiful prose, bizzare ideas, and vivid feverish description come naturally to me but I can't seem to put together any type of story which doesn't seem linear and badly paced.

>>7983399
Just don't write any plot. And it is recommended that you kill yourself after you write your works.

After all, plotless books by death authors are the most popular here.

>>7983150
Thanks, but i'm not poor. I can afford the couple of $ e-books cost.

>>7983399
The Anatomy of Story by John Truby.

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>>7983408

>>7983389
>doesn't hold any type of deeper meaning.
It's like you don't even know what Christianity is.

Where is Cosmerefag kun?
Why is there 0 shilling of Stormlight in this thread?
Where is the Aram groupie fag?
Where is the Wolfefags?

Why is this thread so dead?

just wish someone posted the recommendations as an ebook .rar download, so i get it over with.

>>7983488
They're probably outside spending time with women.

>>7983492
Go buy them on Amazon. How can you be so poor that you can't even afford $2-3 for an e-book.

>>7983492
Which one? I could do one for the Selected Fantasy chart minus like 4 books since I've no interest in those and too lazy to get them.

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This is pretty good!

>>7983511
>>7983498
I meant all of them. All the recommendations in the OP post in one file. The biggest pain is getting everything so i can see what kind of mentality went into making them in the first place, and maybe find something good i didn't know about.

>>7983528
That seems excessive, not like you're reading that many books at once and there's little chance that you'll like everything or the majority. Just pick out a couple depending on your interests, I don't see what the issue is. And getting stuff is easy.

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>>7983492

>1920+96
>still reading ebooks instead of superior audiobooks

>>7983542
>reading audiobooks

>>7983542
>being illiterate
lol

>>7983332
I think I read one or two that I wasn't terribly enthused about. Pretty sure the first couple Witch World books are in my backlog somewhere.

>>7983488
I was weak and returned to the bookstore for round 2. Buy 2 get 1 free today.

Is a Slow Regard of Silent Things any good?

>>7983556
>collecting the paper Jew

>>7983573
>Rothfuss

Not even once

mr penumbra's 24 hour bookstore was a mistaken purchase, but then again nearly everything I've bought recently has been. I just can't enjoy anything anymore.

God I hate being a picky shit

>>7983551
>using a text based website where you have to read everything
>illiterate

Sure buddy

>>7983614
Indeed. I've almost memed myself into buying an electronic jew, but that wouldn't cause me to neglect paper.

>>7983714
Everyone assumed you were using text-to-speech software with a british accent.

>>7983726
.... who do you think I am?
>British accent
You what mate? I'm not a britcuck

>>7983338
That's just because I'm drunk as fuck right now and my power of expression and articulation aren't what they normally are.
>>7983488
Sorry, was drinking. I had fun and I got a lesbian to tell me that I'm her favorite male friend. Pretty pathetic, as far as it sounds, I know, but it was nice.
I also attempted to slavsquat, but it's harder than it seems.
Russians, explain me how to do it.

>>7983732
It's a joke. I'm terrible, and usually refrain.

>>7983634
Reading a debut from a new author is always risky. It's hard to avoid being picky considering how much of the genre market is filler.

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Anyone a fan of this little ripoff?

>>7983742
even the original ideas seem like shit to me though. I've tried everything and found only a few nuggets of good

>the golem and the jinni
>the grace of kings
>fever dream
>the night circus
>the shadow of the wind
>the ballad of black tom

There are so few things I actually enjoy and there doesn't seem to be a real central theme to any of it

>>7983757
Looks interesting, and old enough to be free.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/19141

I have never read a stand alone fantasy novel Any recommendations?

>>7983846
literally any of the ones mentioned here are good fantasy novels >>7983794

>>7983846
Guy Gavriel Kay
Bridge of Birds
The Buried Giant

Can someone recommend some good urban fantasy/horror mashups

>>7983868
Our good friend G. R. I. listed some that appear relevant >>7981248

>>7983846
Robert Holdstock - Mythago Wood.

>>7983880
but which ones are horror?

>>7983846
I highly recommend the OP book >>7981275
but stand alone fantasy novel is too vague to be useful. You'll probably hate whatever we answer with.

>>7983902
Based on the covers, I'd say at least half of them. You'll have to wait for G. R. I. to show up, unless you want to look them up yourself.

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Ever since I started reading Stanislaw Lem my goodreads recs are full of stuff in Polish. Any idea what these are, or if there are English versions?

How about horror historical fiction? how much of that is there?

>>7983880
almost all of these are either dresden clones or gender-swapped dresden clones.

It may be my favorite fantasy series, but the dresden files ruined urban fantasy

>>7983974
>horror historical fiction
There's Dan Simmons I guess

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>>7983974
>How about horror historical fiction?
I've been recommending C. J. Cherryh's Russian trilogy.

>>7983902
Let the right one in is horror

Devil you know is kind of horror, same with the strain

>>7984001
Assuming you meant horror historical fantasy.

>>7984007
The problem with Let The Right One In is that I already had the whole plot spoiled by Cracked of all places. It's a shame too because it sounds fucking amazing

>>7981505
>Everyone who is here has some minor form of OCD or autism, and if you have neither
Get Out.

That is why we blow up when people dislike our likes, and likes our dislikes. If we were sane human beings, we wouldn't give a shit what some cunt was reading. Why wait energy when I got better shit to do?


This is the most hilarious shit I've ever read on 4chan. You realize we're being ironic when we call each other autistic, right faggot? Are you that brain dead?

Is Amber like a mini-Malazan to prepare if to see if you're into this kind of stuff? Sorry I ask so many questions.

>>7984029
More hyperbolic than ironic, that would mean we really thought of each other as normal and well-adjusted

>There are people here who shit on Sanderson even without having read any of his books

Why?
Why just parrot someone else's opinions?

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is this anime?

>>7984129
I believe that is a cover to the English edition of a Japanese novel, so no.

How much does it cover?

>>7984089
All the excerpts I've read make it obvious what kind of writer he is.

>>7984185

Cherry picked paragraphs = the entirety of the books

>>7984129
why is it so hard to find the new ebook for this

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>>7984129
Looks more like /pol/ to me.

>>7984190
How much do I need to read before I stop thinking Sanderson is nothing but a competent page-filler?

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>>7983980
Seconding this

>>7984367
I don't think anyone ever really claimed he was more than that. He's a competent page filler, he delivers an entertaining read and that's that. He's not fantastic or particularly innovative, but it's fun while it lasts and he creates some likeable characters and interesting worlds.

What do people mean when they say x is anime

Anim is a movie? How can a book be a movie?

>>7984604
They mean it reads like an anime.
Ever saw any anime? The protagonist always starts off weak then reaches some level of Godhood when it's over.(look at Naruto)

The only anime that didn't have that formula(that I saw) was One Punch Man... he started as a God.

>>7984660


And why is it bad?

>>7984660
Thats one of the main things that annoyed me about Words of Radiance. How do the main characters move forward after the power ups they received in said book? There are eight books left.

>>7984675

Odium reigns.

>>7983399
>>7983429
truby is good. would also recommend donald maass' writing the breakout novel

>>7984030
Amber and Mazalan are totally different. I loved Amber, could not get into Mazalan.

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>>7983408

I want you to pitch Wheel of Time to me.

Why should I read it.

>>7984721
I read all of 'em. They were decent with a lot of filler crap but you'll probably get burnt out after like the third book.

>>7984721
It's fun.

>>7984672
lit doesn't like fun. Some books are shit with the "anime formula" but others are OK.

Also the only reason they call mistborn anime is because of the little girl wielding a giant sword... even though those swords were made for creatures who have the right height to wield them.
It's not Vin's fault they follow the strongest/who carries the biggest sword.

>>7984732

Vin never carried a sword though?
wtf

>>7984721
it's a tolkien rehash with tons of padding. you could just wait for the tv series.

>>7984732
>It's not Vin's fault they follow the strongest/who carries the biggest sword.
?
I thought they followed whoever could mindfuck them the best?

>>7984732
>>7984734

Oh shit I remember now, but it makes sense due to pewter, it makes everyone super strong

>>7984721
Has some very, very good moments spread far apart by boring drivel and bitchy women. If you can put up with that for the rewarding high points then you won't be wasting your time.

Can someone post those: what i expected, what i got Gene Wolfe´s meme?

>>7983332
i read about half of mists of avalon. it was decent but i got distracted by other books.

i'm a fan of anne mccaffrey, or at least six of her pern books.

How anime are the last three books of the Wheel of Time?

Stormlight Archive > Wheel of Time

t b h

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>>7984221
It's up on mobilism.

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>>7984675
New set of main characters after the first five books. Plus the bad guys always power up in the shonen fightin' anime formula. >>7984660 only watches pleb anime like he watched on TV as a kid, he probably hasn't even heard of kind of anime where the heroes graduate after someone took out the dark lord and have to get crappy service-sector jobs instead, let alone the Cute Girls Doing Cute Things genre.

We could use more CGDCT in SFF.

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>>7984778
When will the moe revolution reach Western sci-fi? I tried reading Witches of Karres but it was just so boring.

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>>7984735
>it's a tolkien rehash

>>7984796
Any fantasy that worldbuilds or has protagonists who do not casually murder people is a Tolkien rehash.

>>7981287
Shit is great. I'm a dirty heathen but I can appreciate what Lewis was trying to say about religion. Read it in a philosophy class where all the science majors called it shit but were kissing Dawkins' ass when we read Selfish Gene.

>>7984804
You're a good man. Did you try Till We Have Faces?

>>7984802
Rand casually murders people all the time

>>7984809
If that's true how come WoT is printed with bright colors and soft angles on the covers, riddle me that.

Other than young adult fiction, does anyone have recommendations for coming of age fantasy similar to Inda or Modesitt Jr's stuff? Preferably with male protagonists.

>>7984221
I would highly recommend you to buy the ebook, it's just $10

The translator signed the contract only for books 1-3, if they don't sell well enough (a good possibility!) they won't translate the rest

>>7984815

The Magicians

>>7984815
Just read some young adult fiction, it's not like Tao Lin's going to pop out from behind a bush and make fun of you for it.

>>7984815
>similar to Modesitt
You really love tedium, don't you.

What are some good anime books similar to Words of Radiance and Mistborn?
Preferrerably with MAGIC involved

>>7984817
Thanks, I tried to get into that series, but there's something about urban fantasy that I don't go for.

>>7984823
Yeah his books are pretty slow going I guess. I enjoyed the Codex Alera series better.

>>7984817
Which one?
The one by Lev Grossman or that other guy?

>>7984837

Lev Grossman.

>>7984829
Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai Kara Kuru Soudesu yo. Or if you want pure secondary-world Madan no Ou to Vanadis.

>>7984844

Anime books not anime mate.
People call Mistborn anime so I say I want similar anime books

>>7984847
They're books, someone made an anime out of them but they were books first.

>>7984723
I burned out one third through the first book.

>>7984844
Haha, he recommended actual anime books, the absolute madman!

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>>7984858
>implying Vanadis isn't great

>>7984866
Is that a loli or a shota trap?
I read too many doujins and hentais not to know where this is going.
tomgirl

>>7984868
I think it's just a girl desu

>>7984866
>even the little girl has a weapon
>guy has a chair

>>7984814
WoT has notoriously shit covers

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>>7984882
Some of them were good.

>>7984866
If it's one third as bad as the actual anime, it's just wanking material with a surprisingly competent MC. That's all i'll give it.

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>>7984750
He even had to finish the wheel of time books, just shows he is better.

He also ruin'd that gilf pussy, I bet she a freak.

>>7985028
>dat look
You just know

Is there any good Fantasy Romance stuff out there?
The genre is absent from the lists and the Goodreads lists that google comes up with list nothing but trash.

>>7985059
Stardust and Princess Bride maybe?

Most focused on romance ARE shit but that's because it's awful as a main plot point

>>7985065
I think it's more because the vast majority of authors in the genre are women and on the whole there are a lot more bad female writers than there are male writers in total.

Any books with a power hungry wizard as the MC?

>>7985074
I'm sure there are more female writers than male writers anyway because nobody reads past high school and everyone in their right mind has moved to STEM rather than easily pirateable and hard to get published in fiction.

>>7985078

The Magicians.

>>7985065
>Most focused on romance ARE shit
Oh, I Agree. But it's great as a secondary plot point as long as the cast remains relatively small.
>>7985074
>more because the vast majority of authors in the genre are women
I hate to admit it, but there's some truth to that. It seems to me that female Authors either let the underlying story fall away into the background, or just outright lack the insight required to build a full and interesting world.
>>7985080
I read past highschool. Though I did make the STEM career choice for myself.

>>7985091
>or just outright lack the insight required to build a full and interesting world.

It's because there's vastly more part-time authors who are female. Male writers overwhelmingly tend to do it as a career, or at least try to. For them it's sink or swim, whereas a lot of female authors are housewives, mothers, or otherwise retired, and do it as a hobby. With less investment comes less drive to improve as it's not literally what's putting bread in their basket.

>>7985080
>STEM
>Having to actually compete with smarter people than you for the best places/results when you can spend college reading classics and get a cushy, clean government job where you get to chill all day long and receive benefits even if you're an idiot.

When it comes to romance-fantasy it's (almost) always going to be wish-fulfilment.
Gender of the author doesn't matter.

>>7985091
>But it's great as a secondary plot point as long as the cast remains relatively small.
Always going to be a problem because publishers prefer bigger series.
And there's most often zero reason for anything romance to be more than one novel long, 300 pages is probably already more than merry for most.
Secondary (tertiary even better) that doesn't just go on and on is good, but pure romance focus is always going to be cancer unless it's a short novel.

But publishers are unlikely to publish 200-300 page fantasy novels because 500 page per book series sell better.


>STEM
tfw welder.
No debt since no degree and it pays well.

>>7985097

No females just don't have masculine brains and can't come up with them.

>>7985115
I can't imagine me or any of the people I know IRL reading some kind of romance series. Who the fuck wants to spend three hundred or so pages reading about how two characters are mooning over each other in a novel in which nothing else happens.

>>7985126
Lots of teens and young adults (men and women) who really like romance anime.
Or even worse, fanservice harem shit

But those people are also the ones who think reading is gay

"Romance" novels have tons of sex in it and are basically socially acceptable porn for women.

>>7985126
>in which nothing else happens
precisely what I'm trying to avoid.
I want a romance novel in which a couple are trying to find value and love in a world falling apart around them. Bonus points for martyrdom, tragedy and the murder of significant others as a means of manipulation.
Alternatively, it's a great part of more childish adventure, exploration and discovery stories as a sort of grounding point.
>>7985174
I have delved into the world of fantasy smut. There isn't much and I've never known a single author to write two different (in content) stories, but I have otherwise not been disappointed.

>>7985174
Anon isn't a girl.

>>7985178
Not even joking here but I think you should look into anime/manga for that. They do it better usually. I don't know what it is about romance in books but I never like it.

>>7985178
>I want a romance novel in which a couple are trying to find value and love in a world falling apart around them
>Bonus points for martyrdom, tragedy and the murder of significant others as a means of manipulation.
Wouldn't a fatalistic novel be more your cup of tea?

Otherwise you should look anime/manga/light novel/visual novels because what you described has a minuscule market in the West, and especially with books.

>>7985191
>novel in which a couple are trying to find value and love in a world falling apart around them

The Stand.

>>7985178
>I want a romance novel in which a couple are trying to find value and love in a world falling apart around them. Bonus points for martyrdom, tragedy and the murder of significant others as a means of manipulation.

Funnily enough that sounds a lot like Berserk.

>>7985185
>>7985191
It's a bit more popular in anime/manga, but there still isn't much. What exists I have tried.
Besides, they're light on the fantasy and like to throw in either slice of life or harem bullshit. Sometimes both.
>>7985201
Can't stand the art. The author has mistaken stroke count for detail which ruins all attempts at shading and has a poor understanding of the human body which typically results in horrendous stances for sword play.
Maybe he should write a book.

>>7985233
You should read Spice & Wolf m8

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>>7985233
>Can't stand the art.

In a series going for over 20 years, art will change. Berserk started in 1989, juding its art by the first few volumes is pretty foolish.

>>7985235
I'm 4 volumes in.
I'm beginning to think this'll turn out like chrome shelled regios, which took 14 volumes before reaching any new content.
In any case I'm not looking for anime/manga.

>>7985246
Holy shit he's old.

>>7985505
One of my favorite things about Berserk is watching the art change. Between 1992 and 1996 Kentaro Miura was working as an assistant for George Morikawa working on Hajime no Ippo (a Boxing series, if you're unfamiliar), you can really see how it influenced Miura's take on anatomy and motion. Funnily enough, not too long after Miura stopped working on Ippo, the art quality of that series took a complete nosedive.

I'll stop going tangential now though.

>>7984815
Haven't read those you mentioned, but Farseer is the best coming of age fantasy story I've read.

>>7985588
What else have you read? Because AA was super shit.

>>7985588
>femshit

>>7985591
Most of the meme authors that get mentioned in these threads. Everything from Wolfe, Howard, Lieber, Le Guin, and Peake, to more mainstream modern authors like Lynch, Sanderson, Bakker, Martin, and so on.

It's a slow story and not for everyone, but it's damn great at what it does.

>>7985766
>>7985766
>>7985766

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How shit / good are the Witcher novels?

>>7981531
read dan abnett's wh40k novels like eisenhorn

>>7985526
interesting, didn't know that.

have you watched flesh and blood and revenge of the jugger?