/sffg/ Furries in space edition.

>>7973352
I wanna be the next Rothfuss

What Mary Sue angle hasn't been explored yet?

>>7973428
A bottom bitch homosexual feminist arena fighter

Who writes the best rape, gay and incest?

I vote for Bakker

>>7973445
I know you're being sarcastic, but a homosexual feminist could work...

He kills (or maims) all the sexist strawmen

Perfect for the zeitgeist

When I'm rich and famous, I'll never forget /sffg/

I'm reading Dying Earth #2 right now. It's good. That is all.

>>7973465
I'll be sure to link you my contact for a tip and a signed coppy with a drawn pepe inside

I've been enjoying book one of the Chronicles of Amber series. The writing is a little simple but overall it's been engaging

I just finished Le Guin's The Dispossessed and I'm not sure how to feel. The political philosophy was good and interesting but overall I'm not so sure how satisfying everything was. Anyone else read it?

Also, I'm looking for a really good military/hard/space opera sci-fi hybrid novel or novella. I have Dune already but is there anything less based on nobility? I just read two books about nobility.

>>7973352
Is this the greatest SF art ever? I can't stop smiling at the mustache dude poking his head over the beastman like he's scifi Wilson.

>>7973723
I enjoyed Old Man's War. The series goes downhill fast after book 1 though. But book 2 is aight.

Pandora's Star and Judas unchained isn't terrible. Some plot lines are definitely more enjoyable than others.

The Expanse series isn't too bad. Some interesting horror elements

>Where were you when Cherryh fags got BTFO?

No they didn't. Guy who hadn't even looked at her body of work claimed it was all furry YA shit which it's not. And then claimed Le Guin is all YA, which it's not.

SFFG what do you do when you're so picky you can't find anything to read? I'm worried I've finally run out of fantasy

>>7973755

You go read more Gene Wolfe.

I am going to read The Way of Kings just because of the maps.

>like he's scifi Wilson.

A Home Improvement reference on 4chan. That's a new one.

>>7973780
I didn't even enjoy Soldier of the Mist, and I only bought Soldier of Arete because the cliffhanger pissed me off!

As far as I know, Wolfe is batting 0/2

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>>7972844
I posted here on the day /lit/ was created. The board split between /lit/ and /sci/ was a large factor in killing /r9k/.

>>7973735
>scifi Wilson
O lawd
us oldfags huh

>>7973789
Fuck you.
I managed to forget that we're not getting a real star chart. Fucking ree all over again.

>>7973723
Jack
Campbell.
Lost
Fleet.

Reminder to ignore people who recommend female authors

>>7974213
Except Hobb who unanimously admired here at /sffg/.

>>7974241
Maybe by the few females who lurk here from time to time.
But Hobb is boring shit and far below the level of WoT or Sanderson

>>7974213
Reminder to ignore people who never got over their "Girls have cooties" phase

>>7974255
Women are shit.
It's why you have specifically have those "fantasy written by women recommendations" so you know what to skip.
If they were good they would be able to stand on their between books written by men, but they can't so they have their own special women area.

>>7974263
You know your mother's a woman, right?

>>7973797
Tbh if you read any Wolfe let it be Book of the New Sun

The other stuff is only if you really enjoy his style

>>7973697
i like zelazny's prose. he isn't trying to be purple just get you into the head of machiavellian corwin.

>>7973742
zelazny
jeff noon's vurt

>>7974263
>extremebutthurt.jpg

>>7974269
So?
That's pretty much where women stop being useful.

>>7974280
Let me guess. You had a stay at home mom who was so vapid and empty-headed you could never really connect with her on a meaningful level starting around the time letters started appearing in your math homework. Since she was the only woman you really knew on a personal level, most of your judgements were based on her, and anyone who didn't fit the bill had to be reassesed in a way to fit that model.

>>7974304
This is fucking embarrassing.

>>7974322
look, nobody cares what a some smug virgin who looks like Linguine from Ratatouille thinks about gender issues. Can you maybe stop making a scene so we can go back to talking about literature?

>>7974304
>assumptions
Don't reflect.

>>7974343
>personal attack on looks you've never seen
I'm not even hetero so fuck off.

what are some books similar to my favorite mangas like one piece, hunter x hunter and berserk

>>7974378
Sanderson mate.

>>7974392
I hope you've read those mangas if you're going to recommend something

>>7974420
Yea, "generic" though way above average shounen
Hunter x Hunter/ One Piece is like Sanderson.

>berserk
Sword and Sorcery novels are most like berserk
Stuff like Conan.
Elric of Melinbone.
Etc.

The Sanderson recommendation is a half-joke because the "sanderson is anime" is not supposed to be a compliment.
But it fits shounen tropes well enough.

Sword and Sorcery recommendation is not a joke.

>>7974392
>>7974427
Sanderson isn't like Berserk at all. First Law is basically Berserk.

>>7974465
Where did I say Sanderson is like Berserk?

Fucking moron learn to read.

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>>7974470
>being this triggered

>>7974473
>HAHAHA LE FUNNY MEME IMAGE
FUCK OFF

>>7974427
I'm more thinking of something with One Piece's sense of grand adventure, or Hunter x Hunter's stark contrast of naive lightheartedness and dark and disturbing stuff (and of course its ultra-badass villains and flawed heroes), or Berserk's mixture of personal tragedy with cosmic developments. Have anything like that?

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>>7974477
>redditor being this asspained

>>7974482
Chronicles of Narnia

http://bestfantasybooks.com/top25-fantasy-books.php

Opinions?

>>7974482
Like I said, you won't get anything closer than First Law to Berserk.

Bayaz and Griffith are both Machiavellian.
Logan and Guts are alike in character although Logan can cause tragedy whilst Guts mostly receives it. They both wield huge ass swords and get their life fucked over by the Machiavellian character.
Both have comedic/more light hearted characters like the Navigator and Puck.
The atmosphere is very similar but Berserk is more episodic as of late.
There's also a guy who's very like Zodd.

http://bestfantasybooks.com/best-fantasy-series.php

Reminder that Book of the new sun is not even top 10

>>7973736
>unironically recommending john "kill honkey" scalzi

>>7974465
>First Law is basically Berserk.
This is so wrong and pathetic I am literally cringing IRL. You must have read neither Berserk nor First Law.

>>7974508
>>7974502
Sometimes it seems like the writer knows what he's writing about other times it looks like those lists are made to conform to mainstream opinions.

>>7973723
Neal Asher maybe.

>>7974505
You're an idiot.

>>7974508
that and gormenghast are the only particularly good series there, though lotr, earthsea, narnia and hdm are also OK but they're for children. asoiaf being at the top is embarrassing, but that's because the list is made by retards who only read genreshit

>>7973711
It's an interesting novel for its political ideas.

Everything else about it is dry. The characters are loosely defied, have inconsistent speech patterns and the plot skips the climax.

Overall, Lathe of Heaven and Left Hand of Darkness are far better. I'd recommend The ones who walk away from Omelas as a short story.

>>7974482
You want something like (descending order of grimdark):

Mistborn, Way of Kings, First Law, Prince of Thorns.

None of these are exactly like HxH/Berserk, but close enough.

>>7974530
Which happen to be his top 2 with literary fantasy
http://bestfantasybooks.com/best-literary-fantasy-books.html

>>7974540
>Narnia
>Watership down
What the

>>7974540
doesn't have little, big, list is worthless

>>7974547
More magical realism than fantasy desu

>>7974549
No, it's fantasy in its purest form, while 99% of the stuff on this guy's lists are more adventure and thriller fiction than fantasy

>>7974549
Nonsense. It's the very embodiment of fantasy fiction.

this is the cancer of lit. why do u guys exist. i dont want o live on the same planet. or even astral plane as you guys

>>7974519
>>7974528
Read both it's the same thing. Could have been set on the same fucking world.

Grimdark edge, machiavellian villain manipulations, characters struggling against an individual more powerful, politically influential and manipulative than they are who eventually forsakes them in an attempt to setup a puppet state. Villain is not above manipulating the MC into fulfilling their own schemes. Puck/Navigator provides comic relief, both series prominently features torturers and those who use them to fulfill their own ends. Both series depicts the aftermath of torture and its profound effects on the psyche - one who falls into sarcastic nihilism and one who rejects the world by embracing the epitome of evil.

MC wields a large ass sword, is prone to fits of berserker rage - one self induced, one constitutional and they have a love interest who is a talented warrior taken away from them in spirit by the villain - the first reverts to the mental state of a child and the second is mentally plagued by visions.

Both series have two realms each the obverse of the other which only certain individuals can perceive (one via a brand and the other by inheritance) and both series show the faults of giving into the temptation of accessing it.

>>7974549
Whether or not a book is magic realism has almost entirely to do with how similar it is to One Hundred Years of Solitude

>>7974557
Berserk actually has like five realms http://skullknight.net/encyclopedia/universe/

>>7974538
Did you mean ascending order? Prince of Thorns is way more grimdark than Sanderson.

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>>7974566
That's a nice diagram desu. I'd love to see FL's get fleshed out more too.

>>7974567
Yep, my bad.

>>7974213
Is this just the one sexist faggot spamming these threads or do we just have that many teenagers here?

>>7973755
That's a problem only if you have shit taste and read only trash fantasy

>>7974241
No she isn't. I asked in the last thread and most responses were that she ranges from mediocre to shit.

Moorcock article in this week's Spectator.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/cotton-belt-notebook/

>>7974502
I want to kill myself in ritual suicide

>>7974607
That was a joke m8

>>7974557
The series are wildly different in terms of atmosphere and tone.

>>7973352
How did Cherryh fags get btfo?

>>7974645
I doubt that.

>>7974607
I see you just started coming to these threads. People like Hobb around here, at least Farseer and Liveship are well loved.

It's quite well established she writes some of the most human characters around, in and out of genre.

>>7974712
Not really, that's the opinion reddit holds. First Farseer book is full on garbage and I doubt it's gonna get much better.

>>7974712
No.

Hobb is only liked by women

>>7974714
>>7974715
>newfag shits ruining the quality of threads
Every time.

>>7974733
>waaaah why don't you have shit taste like me :(
You're clearly alone with your opinion that she's "good".

>>7974736
>waaaah
>:(

>>7974733
Fuck off.
The only reason people know Hobb is because she's a woman.

If they didn't know she was a woman she would be universally regarded as shit

>>7974737
Just stop replying to him, his is obviously mentally disturbed. He has spent all day everyday for the last few days shitposting and b8ing people with his women hating shit.

He is just another brainwashed by shitposting and memes /pol/tard.

>>7974744
https://www.reddit.com

>>7974745

Obviously a better place to be when retards like you decide to shit on things here.

>>7974753
Then stay there instead of recommending shit that only has a name because the author happens to be a female.

Martin had to fight to get recognition, meanwhile Hobb only had to show her cleavage and she got a dozen awards.

>>7974755

I'm not the guy arguing with you about female authors, I was just pointing out you're fucking demented.

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>>7974712
>I see you just started coming to these threads.
No I didn't, been here from the first
>People like Hobb around here, at least Farseer and Liveship are well loved.
People here shitpost her a lot, that is for sure, but they always fail to discuss or even say where she is good. This was the deal with First Law too for a while until people stared reading it for real, hence scepticism about her quality.
>It's quite well established she writes some of the most human characters around, in and out of genre.
Now this is a claim I find pretty hard to swallow.
Looking at the goodreads only one person who posts here (Combiner) has read it, other known posters didn't making me believe it's mostly /v/ and /tg/.
Might be wrong of course, I'll probably check her out if only to confirm or deny my suspicions.

>>7974304
Roastie/nu-male getting mad
I love it

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>>7974755
>:(
>wahhhh
>shit
This anon is clearly the epitome of literary critique. Unlike other plebians, he clearly did not need to read at all to develop his patrician taste.

>>7974758
Did you take a photo of your computer screen?

>>7974773
yes

>>7974758
>taking a photo of his fucking computer screen
Looks like the retards are here.

>>7974776
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+screenshot

>>7974778
Le Guin should be 1/10 at most.

>HP
>4/5
mmm

>>7974780
It's easier when you post from the phone

>>7974788
Telling someone to kill themselves is illegal according to US law.

>>7974789
Thanks anon.

>>7974778
I haven't read Bartimaeus in forever, fucking loved that when I was a kid. Does it hold up or will I be setting myself up for disappointment if I re-read it now?

>>7974789

He didn't tell you to kill yourself, just provided a set of helpful instructions.

>>7974797
Tell that to the police.

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>>7974788

Are the kids off school or something? This guy can't be any older than 15, at least I hope he isn't

>>7974800
>personal attacks and baseless assumptions.

>>7974800
Why are all of you getting baited

So are these threads going to forever host /r9k/ tier discourse whenever women are brought up?

>>7974832
>personal insults and baseless assumptions
You can't prove women can write the same level of quality as George or Erikson because none of them can.
And Erikson/George aren't even among the greats

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>>7974832
Is this 4chan?

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>>7974836
>You can't prove women can write the same level of quality as George or Erikson because none of them can.
>says the guy whose literary critque consists of wahhh :( shit

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>>7974800
4chan has been irredeemable due to the permanent influx of newfags--mostly underage children--for a couple years now.

>>7974865
>people who don't agree with me are underage

I keep dropping fantasy series after the first book. Mistborn, Farseer and am now reading Locke Lamora which is better than both of those, but people are apparently saying it gets bad after the first book? Disappointing.

Anything that keeps up quality through all books?

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>>7974869
I took no sides. I am a third-party observer, merely making a comment. Comments such as yours do signify childish thinking.
Polite sage for responding.

>>7974865
A never ending turnover of newfags is a headache for sure especially for generals.

What else have you been reading and enjoying lately cosmerefag?

>>7974870
>farseer
Stop reading female SHIT

>>7974877
I clearly said I dropped it autist. I give things a shot at least, but it was quite boring.

>>7974881
I could have told you so.
Never read any female "literature" ever again.

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>>7974874
It's grating seeing the same behavior across nearly all boards in all threads. The swarm has polluted the pool for good.

Uh, I'm still slowly reading Foundation and Earth. I really liked Foundation's Edge. I'm not sure what I'll read afterwards. I might check out The Secret Teachings of All Ages or I might find a hard sci-fi to get into.

>>7974870
You really want to hear the Wolfe, Le Guin, Leiber, Vance, Moorcock, Tolkien, Zelanzy, Dunsay list again?

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What's with the t. raid? did somebody post one of our charts on r/fantasy again?

>>7974888
>people who disagree with me are pollution

>>7974890
>Le Guin
Weak bait

>>7974892
Post your shitty recs or fuck off.

>>7974890
Not really a fan of old fantasy in general. I can see Wolfe is decent but not my cup, LeGuin and the others are quite bad in my eyes though.

>>7974892
Fuck off back to wherever you came from, troll.

>>7974896
>LeGuin and the others are quite bad in my eyes though.
This so much

>>7974897
Just because I disagree doesn't mean you can't just assume I'm a troll

>>7974890
Good basic list. Add John Crowley, Tim Powers, Robert Holdstock, Guy Gavriel Kay, and Michael Swanswick.

>>7974899
can just*

>>7974894
>>7974900
Manly Wade Wellman, Robert E. Howard, Lord Dunsany, Poul Anderson.

What is the most Ghibli fantasy?

>>7974906
Sanderson

>>7974908
Not even remotely similar.

>>7974906
Rothfuss.

I hope one day people will stop posting those female authors.

>>7974906
The King of Elfland's Daughter

>>7974906
Narnia

>>7974913
A girl can dream, am I right?

>>7974914
Looks interesting. What are some of the parallels to Ghibli works?

>>7973461
he sure loves black semen

>>7974906
tbqh...carroll's alice

>>7974890
vance looks like a politician

>>7974919
Better than waking up into someone else's nightmare.

>>7974948
>waking up in a nightmare to wake up in a nightmare to wake up in a nightmare ad infinitum

>>7973352

>What are you reading right now?
Line of Polity - Neal Asher.

Fast paced, action-oriented. Like the setting, tech/hardware etc and the ECS agents are like the anti-special circumstances or some shit.

>>7973352
>What are you reading right now?
The Stars My Destination

Anyone else read this? Bester's prose can be good at times but at other times it's kind of shit

At the very least the narrative moves lightning fast

>>7975059
It's entertaining and fast. I didn't like it a lot, but I can see why some do.

Thread is awfully slow today

Anything fantasy that's like "The Picture of Dorian Gray"?

>>7975059
Quite a few years ago so a bit hazy. Packs enough shit into such a short space that hard to dislike and it really did read like a more modern text.

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>>7975069
It's either
>slow
or
>fast with unadulterated shitposting

>>7975159
Today has at least 30 shit posts on how woman suck and last thread was even worse.
Why do people get baited so easily?

>>7975182
And yet you can't provide any good women writing.

>>7973735
It is pretty great. Visually pleasing, character designs follow the book descriptions, and the composition even gives a decent summary of the books content. They are one crewmwmber short though. Probably couldn't fit Hilfy into the layout.

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>>7975182
I don't think it's really "bait" but remember that the huge majority of shitposters are literal underage children who 1) obsess over turning any conceivable topic into an argument, 2) are unable to comprehend the fact that other people have different beliefs/opinions/perspectives/etc., and 3) must have the last word during any exchange.

>>7975201
>assumptions without any base
I'm 18 btw.

Just stop replying to the retard.

>>7974796
Holds up extremely well, one of the best series for children period

>>7974275
I like his prose as well. Makes everything more engaging, there's not a lot of fluff. I hate authors who try to hard to use every word in the thesaurus

>>7974511
Hey, old man's war is a fun book with interesting universe. But that's as far as his body of work goes

>>7974778
>American Gods
>4/5
And into the trash this list goes

>>7974778
Acts of Caine doesn't get enough love.

Let's discuss Elric Of Melinbone

>>7975855
It doesn't have a female author right?

>>7975863
That's up to Michael at this stage.

>>7975863
It does

>>7974910
But you people keep saying theyre both anime, so yes they are

>>7975196
Le Guin is like one of the five or so decent fantasy/sci-fi writers alive (the other four or so are men though), but genreshit plebbabbies itt don't like her

>>7975201
>>7975182
They'd probably stop doing it if you'd stop getting butthurt, lol. Maybe I'll start doing it now just to piss you off

Females are genetically less intelligent than men, and are therefore inferior at using language as a form of artistic expression.

>>7976035
She's always one of the authors people talk about when responding to the 'women cant write' troll. Stop being silly, anon.

Thoughts on Space Raptor Butt Invasion?

>>7976392
Too gay.

>>7976042
I'm so fucking butthurt right now I could recreate a Jackson Pollock original during his "red phase" using only my ass.

tfw your whole world is cucked by the kikes

Is Steven Erikson's writing TOO good?

Let me preface this by saying that I'm a huge Steven Erikson fan. I've started reading Fall of Light and, is it me, or is his prose becoming increasingly archaic? It's got to the point where it's like reading Shakespeare. It's one thing to produce a ripping yarn that's also very well written, it's another to have to parse the syntax in every sentence. Maybe I'm just dense.

>>7976443
>Maybe I'm just dense.
This. Erikson is pleb-tier.

>>7976443
>fall of light is out

why did no one tell me

But yeah, it's a valid complaint. Not every old guy fishing scene needs to be a twelve page inner monologue on the struggles of man.

Personally, it get's my dick hard, but it is a valid complaint.

>>7976443
this is taken from r/fantasy. Either you posted there, or someone stole that word for word.

Is this a ruse? Is your goal to call me a "pleb leditor " what is your game ?

>>7973587

>dying earth #2
>#2

U wot m8?

>>7974427

>elric of melbibone
>hundreds of pages of mopey suicidal emo self hate

>>7974540

>lyonesse is the best of vance's work

List discarded

I've been running out of good shit to read, so I just started reading Abercrombie's standalone novels. Anyone else notice that everything he writes is the fucking same? It's very good for the first 3/4 or so of the book, then the last quarter of the book is nothing but the characters bitching about how little choice they have in life and how they regret the shit they've done. Oh, and about how all killing is horrible and pointless and turns everyone into monsters.

Also, way, way too many timely rescues for major characters. It becomes very predictable--it's as if no major character is allowed to die until he's been rescued from the brink of death at least 3 times in the book.

>>7976645
The Eyes of the Overworld?

>>7974890


>Le Appendix N copypasta

Is that you, /tg/?

Actually a pretty solid list for weird tales sword&sorcery pulp.

>>7976674
yes. After the main trilogy I thought the next books would have something different, but it's the same, literally.

Who here likes Glen Cook? Why is his only series that gets any attention the Black Company?

I read it and enjoyed it. Should I try Dread Empire and Instrumentalities of the Night too?

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Picked up a mint copy for a dollar.

The language was difficult at first, but I've never read a more truly epic story.

It's like someone read the illiad, odessy, and anied, but decided that it should be a four part series so they wrote a sequel.

>>7976699
I enjoyed how they played it out in Red Country with Logan, at least. Don't really get to see characters regress in their arcs like that very often.

>>7976712

Because the black company is such shit that noone is willing to read any of his other books after the throw down the black company in disgust.

>>7974427
>The Sanderson recommendation is a half-joke because the "sanderson is anime" is not supposed to be a compliment.
>But it fits shounen tropes well enough.
This, the first Mistborn is a poor westerner's first half of TTGL. Especially in the later half.

>>7976717
>>7976699
It's really too bad, cause I want to enjoy the books. They're written very well. But especially towards the end it just gets so... preachy.

It feels like he's trying to convince his readers that people never change in good ways, and that no one can go to war or kill anyone without losing sight of right and wrong and becoming an asshole who kills indiscriminately.

My enjoyment of the books is almost ruined by how pushy he is about philosophy that I don't agree with.

>>7976725
That makes perfect sense.

>>7976718
Why do you say that?

>>7976730
It does. And the problem is that Mistborn lacks any of the over the top, insane stuff that TTGL has. The series becomes even more anime with the whole sword-bigger-than-wielder-nonsense and the fact that only the main character and her ilk is useful in any sense once the story starts to go off the rails, that Sanderson had to power boost her bf to make him relevant to the story. I haven't read the last book or any of Sandeson's other work, but I can't help but laugh when people hold up the Mistborn-series as some kind of masterpiece of fantasy.

>>7976715
>tfw can't find a free download of this book
Guess I'll just have to stop being a degenerate

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>>7973352
>>Have you read Poul Anderson's Boat of a Million Years?
I guess no one has read it. Anyway, 75+% of it is historical fiction, following various immortals as they appear from about 4000BC on, culminating in a slower-than-light space voyage. Themes include immortality (halted aging and somewhat accelerated healing), loneliness (immortality is exceedingly rare), and persecution (immortals tend to be executed as witches/sorcerers if discovered). It was a long, occasionally slow, read, but that could be due to not realizing the ratio of historical fiction to sci-fi. Overall I enjoyed it, and would recommend reading if my description interests you.

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http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-wheel-of-time-is-going-to-be-a-tv-series-after-all-1773693457

Thoughts?

picked up the first 2 books in wheel of time at a used book store for a decent price. i hope its good. ill probably read the entire series even if i dont like it that much desu. what do you guys think of it? good characters? story?

>>7976767
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ring/two/

>>7977058
I enjoy it a lot, but it's not for everyone. The characters and prose are all right but have some flaws (descriptions can be very repetitive), the story is a little predictable, not in a bad way--it's a good old good vs evil, heroes journey to save the world type story, and it was done well. It's long winded as hell, if you just want to "know what happens", you'll be fucking miserable.

But the fucking worldbuilding dude. The detail and intricacy of the fictional world of Wheel of Time surpasses anything else I've ever seen in fantasy, Tolkein included. Each culture has a unique set of customs, attire, and societal norms, each nation has its changing allegiances, and each group or faction acts towards its goals in very realistic ways. All those things play off of and effect each other in very interesting, believable ways, it's like watching the workings of a really complicated clock. If that's what you like best in literature, WoT is a must read.

>>7977029
cancelled after 3 seasons of skirt smoothing and braid tugging

>>7977086
sounds right up my alley. thank you very much for the response anon

>>7977096
No problem dude. I am quite a fanboy of that series, I've maxed out the character limit writing reviews of it before. I should really write one long one and post it on a blog page or something, I use it so often.

Many people on here will hate on you if you enjoy it, or anything with serious worldbuilding for that matter. Glad to see I'm not the only one here who's not a damn elitist.

>>7977121
I've also been picking up WoT books when I see them. I'm too OCD to start until I have the full set though.

>>7977251
?
What if you dont like it?

>>7973797


You haven't read BOTNS? or The Wizard Knight?

m8...

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>>7977029
>linking to Gawker media

Who was that bitch in the Atrium of Time and why did he marry her? The whole last part of the final book went right over my head.

>>7977299
I'll wait a year and read it again to determine whether or not I was just in the wrong mood for it. I've often surprised myself by loving things the second time around.

>>7977029
i think this is the only way i could get through this story. i tried the first book and finished it but had zero desire to read more. i happened to pick up the comic book, read a few issues, and liked it a lot more (despite the artwork) but it only covers the first book. this series is full of padding which i just can't deal with so a condensed tv series sounds like a great idea to me.

>>7977340
>>7977373
I just finished BotNS. It was one of those series that made me frustrated because the prose was pretty, the story was interesting, and I enjoyed it for the most part, but it had some nagging flaws that made the whole thing less fun.

It was basically just fucking Severian. First of all, I got tired of the philosophical rambling very quickly. A couple philosophical monologues in an entire series is okay, to reveal a little more about how a character's mind works, but any more than that just comes across as a poor excuse for the author to enjoy making people read philosophical ramblings he's come up with and is secretly proud of.

Also, the way he made his decisions was always badly explained. It almost feels like he was doing everything on impulse. He kept swapping sides, disobeying orders and doing things that were really bad ideas in the long term, and the reader was never given a clue as to why.

Since I haven't enjoyed a single book /sffg/ has recommended to me, let's try something else:

Suggest some fantasy that you think is shit but has a rating over 3.5 on both goodreads and amazon

>>7977433
terry goodkind


I'm sorry

>>7977433
Read Faith of the Fallen, its an underrated masterpiece.

>>7977121
The issue with worldbuilding is that the world is only as good as what you do with it. If you're satisfied with adding one more fantasy story to the shelves then all your worldbuilding is worth as much as the CGI in the Star Wars prequels.

>>7977504
eh... kind of. Some readers enjoy reading just to appreciate the way the intricate world works. Like I said, it's like studying a complicated clock, all the unique parts fitting together perfectly in fascinating ways.

I agree that good worldbuilding with a shitty plot doesn't necessarily make a good story, but I don't think WoT is that way at all.

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>>7976766
It had some pretty good moments though.
>Kelsier vs. Inquisitors

>>7977637
Is Kelsier a Gary Stu?

can someone recommend something that isn't 30-year-old epic fantasy or space opera bullshit?

that's literally all I fucking see and I'm sick of it

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>>7977656
>dies horribly with no chance
Not at all.

>>7977637
>mistborm 3 symbols
Huh? Could you explain that further? Why would they ruin the awesome old ones?

>>7977668
Tim Powers - The Anubis Gates

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>>7977671
>Kelsier
>"dies"

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>>7977674
One is Allomancy.
One is Feruchemy.
One is Hemalurgy.
Probably in that order but I honestly don't remember.

>>7977680
Fair enough. He's a stubborn fuck. Probably more of a rogue element in the Cosmere now.

Is Sazed the coolest eunuch ever?

>>7977545
Well, a very detailed description of a clock. I wonder if all the maps and art involved in worldbuilding come about because the authors feel that words on their own aren't enough.

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>>7977668
I can't give a good rec without more information on what you'd like to read...
Try pic related.

>>7977803
I like magical realism/historical fantasy but not guy gavriel kay. I enjoy noir in both scifi and fantasy but not dresden clones, even if they predate dresden. Horror I haven't read much of but if it's clever I'll at least give it a shot

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>Nightwatcher and Stormfather are parallel entities
>Odium has one too but it is the collective Unmade instead of one figure
>All are Splinters
>Stormfather is also a Sliver
:-O!

>>7977890
thanks for the spoilers

>>7976712
Instrumentalities of the Night is a bit odd, but still enjoyable. Dread Empire is closer to The Black Company.

>>7976717
There's no character named Logan in these novels.

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>>7977847
>I like magical realism/historical fantasy but not guy gavriel kay.
Alright, try C. J. Cherryh's Russian Stories. Historical fantasy that's a bit dark in tone, borrowing mythological elements from Russian folklore.

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>>7977999
You might also like Arafel's Saga by Cherryh. A little lighter (not too much) in tone and taking from Celtic mythology. I enjoyed the Russian Stories a bit more.

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>>7977847
>>7977999
Can confirm Rusalka is pretty gud, for horror I usually rec Lovecraft's crew - Hodgson, Chambers, Clark Ashton Smith, etc - but you said you were tired of old stuff so the best I can offer is Robert Shearman. He's pretty new, writes conceptually disturbing short stories, usually with a bit of fantasy or black comedy somewhere in the mix.

>>7977353
is this gamergate butthurt or something else

>>7977668
vurt by jeff noon
carve they sky by jablokov
sewer gas and electric by matt ruff

>>7977847
hild by nicola griffith is historical
demolished man by alfred bester is noir

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>>7973352

delete this. Get your furfag shit off this board. Do not come back.

>>7976443
I know this is bait but I'll still nibble.

> prose becoming increasingly archaic
How is archaic ever good unless you specifically want archaic language?

Am I the only one here who really likes it when non-humans are given really intricate and unfamiliar biology and culture?

Plant people whose flesh is female and whose wooden skeleton is a larval male that turns into a tree upon its sister/mother's death. Intelligent birds who are too small and weak to develop stone tools but have evolved an addictive saliva they use to subjugate larger beings. Telepathic cats who form single entities from three bodies and worship a cheshire god

Shit like that shows careful attention to detail and a pleasant bout of creativity

>>7978192
Yes.

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>>7978151
It's just as /lit/ as the "Heaven is For Real" thread currently perched on Page 1 of the catalog

>>7978192
I would enjoy it if it was ever done well. I can't recall a single book where it was interesting, and not just this big scaly flying firebreathing lizard is called a d'rag'n. They're like dragons, but cooler.

>>7974935
Black semen is pretty spooky

>>7978137
>is this gamergate butthurt or something else
Nah, Gawker is pretty much bottom of the barrel both in terms of quality and integrity.

>>7978216
Agreed, but it's a little silly to just completely write off any gawker media seeing as how it's comprised of like dozens of different writers.
lol at them getting completely fucked in the ass by hulk hogan though

>>7977412
The reader is given a clue, you just didn't pick up on it

>>7978214
White semen is spookier on account of how it looks like a ghost

>>7978211
God that sounds shitty. Don't give me jhereg flashbacks. If you're writing dragons just call them dragons or drakes or some other conventional name for them and let the creativity shine through in what they are and not what they're called. Make them cosmic-scale parasites who use the radioactive cores of planets as their yolk and then hatch through the crust. Make them living blimps who convert most of their food to methane. Make them fire elementals born from the sun itself, but don't make them normal dragons with a stupid name tacked on

>>7978226
>don't make them normal dragons with a stupid name tacked on
Too true.

>>7977890
Is that you Sandeson?

If not, can you at least spoiler your silly fantheories so I don't have to read that bullshit?

If so, stop spoiling your own books, you dunce.

>>7973461
>rape
Haven't encountered any detailed rape scenes yet
>incest
Yep
>gay
Some worrying suggestions so far.

>>7978374
ironic since bakker has pretty much been confirmed to be 'guilty' of all 3 of these.

I'll be traveling today, trying to decide between Apologia Pro Vita Sua, Cambridge Companion to Hayek and Aristotle on Method and Metaphysics after the last few pages of On Locke. What should I go for?

>>7978462
Aristotle

then Augustine if you can find him

>>7978494
It's not actual Aristotle, it's a collection of commentaries edited by Edward Feser.
I've already read both City of God and Confessions.

>>7978496
can't recommend any of the others then, as I haven't read them.

Check out Space Raptor Butt Invasion, then.

>>7978503
How tight are the butts?

>>7978506
You'll just have to find out

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>>7978370
It's a Q&A.

The information means nothing to people who would not already be seeking out that kind of information.

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Trying to choose to start a new space opera series, can /sffg/ tell me which of these is better?

>The Gap Series--Donaldson
>Revelation Space Series--Alistair Reynolds
>Golden Age--John C. Wright

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>>7978587
I haven't read the first and last so I'm voting for the middle. Especially if you like your sci-fi HARD and by an educated author who knows what the fuck he's talking about.

>>7978604
You haven't by chance read Vernor Vinge's The Zones of Thought, have you?

It's another option.

Revelation Space appeals to me quite a bit however

>>7978587
Not read other shit but happily rec Reynolds

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>>7978614
I have not but I believe I know what you're talking about and the concept seemed pretty appealing.

>>7978587
Golden Age is surprisingly good

/Sffg/ would you fuck a consult skin spy?

>>7976715
And the happy ending is a MAN'S happy ending ... just because of the philosophical implication. When other authors try the ouroboros structure (King, for example) it comes off as lame.

I just finished Second Foundation.
I'm pretty disappointed.
>The second Foundation is on Tazenda guys
>no wait it's actually Rossem
>lel no it's not
>It's on Kalgan swear to god!
>no actually it's on Terminus
>actually you're all idiots, it's on fucking Trantor

Foundation and Empire I really loved and the Mule was excellent, but this book felt like it just undermined everything. The Mule goes out like a cheap punk in a pathetic wasting death, Pritcher doesn't even get to do anything in the finale of the first part. Then the second half introduces Arcadia who is fun and interesting and it feels like a detective story but then she just gets shoved out of the way for a bizarre little musical chairs ending. Turns out Arcadia and the whole thing were all planned out from decades before and she was never in control. What I found worst of all was the implication that Bayta's action at the end of Empire wasn't even her own either, so I've got a sour taste about it all.

I mean I get the whole Seldon Plan not giving a fuck about individuals thing but I think Empire did a good enough job of covering that in the first story without needing this book.

I dunno, how are the remaining two books? I'm not sure I should continue.

>>7979131
>I dunno, how are the remaining two books?
Entirely, completely different from the original trilogy.

>>7979143

Well, would you recommend them or should I turn away if I didn't like Second?

Will finish The Phoenix Exultant tonight, is the third worth reading?
Read that it's mostly shitty philosophy and not cool space opera.

>>7979420
It does get pretty heavy on the philosophy, but the Nothing Sophotech is really freaking cool.

Also when you're done there's a sequel novella that's really good:
http://genius.com/John-c-wright-prologue-annotated

>>7979450
Right now I've just passed the horse nothing sophotech amalgamation and it's one of the coolest enemies in sff. Very interesting villain.

>>7979467
>Atkins distracting an AI into a certain node of someone's brain and blasting it with an orbital laser through the Earth's crust so precisely that the host never notices

This is why I read science fiction.

Who else prefers plot based over character based novels.

With character based there's only stuff going because the MC is either suicidal, depressive or both

>>7979476
Some stories still have heroes.

Though some stories don't need any. Reading a dissertation on Moties would have been boring, but throw some bland characters in there to watch them do Motie things and I'm hooked.

>>7979420
>Make a copy of you and your wife so they can finish your argument while you both get back to more worthwhile things
>They get subverted by an evil AI with black hole logic and try to convince you to give up your freedom
Such is life in the Seventh Mental Configuration.

what's better:
First Law or Shattered Sea?

>>7979650
Shattered is YA. I recommend First Law.

>>7979650
I don't imagine Abercrombie has all that much left once you take away the r-rated materials

>>7979650
Both are complete garbage, but if you absolutely must first law

>>7979682
Not that person, but what fantasy series do you like?

>>7979692
Ignore him, he's the guy that only likes dead authors and Wolfe.

>>7979692
Most Wolfe stuff, Amber, Lankhmar, Elric, Gormenghast.
>>7979695
Is that supposed to be a critique of my taste you human scum?

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Picked up this up recently (heh, Herbert). Fun so far.

What's legit interesting about sword and sorcery stories? I don't see the appeal of a sword or axe-wielding set of characters at all.

>>7980291
Do you think the combat is the main draw?

>>7979658
It still is R rated, just a shorter book.

>>7980307
Well, I guess a big hunking barbarian style character seems less relatable than a conniving mage. I haven't read that much fantasy though, so maybe I don't understand.

>>7980397
The stupid barbarian is a parody. Conan solves a lot of problems with his wits, and is actually pretty cultured. Kugel the Clever is, well, and Fafhrd is more let's-be-practical than let's-just-hit-things.

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I don't understand why I keep masochistically reading Hyperion from 1 AM to 2 AM but it inevitably ends in me being so tired that I start vividly hallucinating the more disturbing scenes from the book.

I don't understand why I keep doing this to myself /lit/. This is the weirdest book I have ever read.

Lord of the Rings is low fantasy.

>>7980327
why's it shilled as YA then?

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>>7980291

Sword and Sorcery typically takes very human men with very human desires and fears and and puts them into absolutely bizzare alien situations.

Conan is heroically strong and fast and deadly, but that doesn't mean shit when he finds some lost god or giant metal statue and has to run like hell.

He's in it for money and sex and wine and the love of killing.

The things that Vance and Lieber and CAS dream up are horrible and beautiful and really really fucking weird. No other fantasy or sci-fi gets as really fucking strange as pulp.

>>7980291
Fast-paced, less autistic level world building shit.

>>7980660
Being sold as YA doesn't mean anything except that it's usually shorter, more likely to have first-person narration, and is more likely to have a young protagonist. Red Rising is sold as YA and the main character is forced to kill his wife in the first couple of chapters, and later on he stabs a dude's hand into a table and forces him to cut it off. Ender's Game has a naked shower scene where he beats another kid to death. Everything that John Christopher wrote.

>>7980682
Ok. I thought there would be restrictions on content/use of expletives.

>>7980689
It's not like there's a board of censors. Being rejected by schools hurts sales but hurts the school's reputation at the same time. The only gatekeepers are the publishers. They probably do try to keep expletives and sex scenes down unless it's a Real Teen Novel about teen pregnant drug addicts, and there are more made-up swear words in YA, but violence is fine and creeping existential horror is encouraged.

>>7980679
Does anyone else feel like we're on the edge of a pulp/pre-Tolkien revival? Son of the Black Sword was a fantasy in a post-apocalyptic world like something out of Moorcock, with evil sorcerers that turn into crows and can swordfight. John C. Wright's latest novel was directly inspired by David Lindsay. I hope that for all the drama, Jeffro's Hugo nom gets more people to read his Appendix N series.

>>7980397

>barbarian style character seems less relatable than a conniving mage

Really?

Those big barbarian dudes are cunning thieves in most s&s stories.

It's only in epic fantasy books where they are big stupid boors.

Wizards seem far less relatable to me. I can sneak about and swindle people and get in fights and bash people's heads open in real life, but I can't use magic.

>>7980695
yeaa I know it's just Joe sure likes his blue language. I haven't read Shattered Sea but I'd be surprised if that aspect of his writing wasn't severely toned down. Is it not?

>>7980682
YA literally just means younger protagonist with no swearing or sex scenes, which can make the story dull, but not always.

>>7980702

Apendix n series?

Are these new stories inspired by gary's appendix n list.

>>7980706
maybe it's because I'm a manlet lol

>>7980715
Just a series about Appendix N. Jeffro's apparently some millennial that likes RPGs but doesn't like how D&D is now based primarily on D&D, so he went through and read everything on the list, or one or two novels if the list only mentioned an author's name, then wrote a review of everything.

>>7980721

I had the good fortune to have read most of appendix n before ever being introduced to d&d or being aware that an appendix n existed.

The men who introduced me to d&d were old wargamers who played od&d with little old paper booklets in a little white box, written by GG and Dave Arneson.

I have a very different view of d&d and fantasy literature as a result.

>>7980736
Yeah, that's basically what the "Appendix N" series is about.

SABRETACHE

How's Promise of Blood?

Thinking of picking it up because Renaissance era fantasy sounds interesting. I like Sanderson, but every time I ask for similarly fast paced modern fantasy books, I get Kingkiller, Weeks' edgy shadow series, and Blood Song, none of which had anything redeemable about them, except maybe Rothfuss' decent prose.

>>7980819
You'll like it.

>>7980819
>Kingkiller
Not at all
>Weeks' edgy shadow series
ONLY his Lightbringer series is like Sanderson's. And it's very close, unlike his edge series.
>Blood Song
Literally nothing at all like Sanderson and is a pile of garbage.
>Promise of Blood
This is created by his student and yes it is very reminiscent of Sanderson's style.

>>7980819
Could give Brian Stavely or Scott Lynch a shot.

>>7980736
>>7980721
I really should get around to reading the rest of Appendix N stuff. I feel in love with fantasy with Robert E. Howard's stuff. I stopped reading anything fantasy for years because everything I picked up just felt bland or uninspired. I loved that weird, fantastical feel of pulpy Sword and Sorcery. These days anything that happens to have a sword or a dude doing magic gets labelled "sword and sorcery". Makes it so hard to find books that I actually want to read.

>>7980819
Promise of blood is definitely better than all those books you listed

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I don't get it, why did he resort to begging? he knew sympathy magic, they even mentioned that caravans need 'em like crazy to keep their perishables fresh.

>>7980876
US fantasy covers hilariously bad vs UK in almost all cases.

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>>7980884
I love shitty US covers. I still remember people bitching about the Gardens of the Moon original cover. I couldn't even find a decent quality image of it online since they replaced it with the same art sans woman.

>>7980863
>>7980721
I just looked up this guy's series of reviews on Appendix n and it seems like an interesting read and challenge. He says before he started the task he was really only familiar with Tolkien, and to be honest I'm pretty much in the same boat. Might be a good thing to add to my backlog

>>7980863

I know that feel

I had to back to rereading vance and dunsany

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>>7980906
>I couldn't even find a decent quality image of it online since they replaced it with the same art sans woman.
You activated my autism

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>>7980884

>>7981008
I only looked for like a few minutes

I still have a copy with that cover somewhere around. I remember being conflicted when i bought it because it sounded interesting but the cover was trash.

I never did finish the series though, maybe I should re-read it. I only got to book 6 I think.

>>7977934
A bit odd how? I'm not just looking for more Black Company, I'm just looking for more good fantasy in general.

I think I just need to accept my shit taste and go whole-hog on chick magical realism. I'm not enjoying any of the the "classics" being shilled here or the pop fantasy reddit's all about

>>7981134
>chick magical realism
How would you describe this?

>>7981134
Stuff I enjoyed off the /sffg/ threads which got recommended here: Hyperion, Coldfire, Dying Earth
Stuff I enjoyed which are mentioned on the /sffg/ threads which I enjoyed but wasn't the person who orginally recommended it: Blindsight/Echopraxia, City of the Saved
Stuff off /sffg/ threads which I partly enjoyed and partly disliked: First Law
Stuff which is enjoyed by a select group of people on /sffg/ who share my shit taste: Brian McClellan, Brandon Sanderson, Brent Weeks

>>7981178
My description was wrong. I think I just mean pop fantasy that isn't epic, steampunk or paranormal romance. Urban fantasy is fine as long as it isn't a shitty dresden clone, which accounts for 90% of urban fantasy

It should be a medium-sized brush but I'm extremely picky about prose and ambiance

>>7981204
B A K K E R

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>>7981204
>Brian McClellan, Brandon Sanderson, Brent Weeks
Bruh
Welcome to the fold

>>7981208
Charlotte Bronte

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